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| [01:57:15] | wagnerrp: | disputin: as lucas^ mentioned, digital video is already compressed. mythtv just captures whatever your broadcaster is transmitting |
| [01:57:37] | wagnerrp: | if it's capturing 480i content, it's because that's the format the broadcaster encoded it as |
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| [02:17:11] | somethinginteres: | in the Recordings list what does it mean when a recording title is yellow? |
| [02:18:26] | [R]: | that erally depends on your theme |
| [02:18:40] | [R]: | it might mean its corrupt |
| [02:18:47] | [R]: | it might have to do with viewing frequency |
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| [02:35:38] | somethinginteres: | [R]: I've got MythCenter-wide v1.7 |
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| [03:03:54] | tonsofpcs: | somethinginteres: is that the blue one? |
| [03:04:08] | somethinginteres: | tonsofpcs: yep |
| [03:04:21] | tonsofpcs: | I *think* it means corrupt. I'm still trying to figure out what green might be |
| [03:05:00] | [R]: | i usually just open the theme files |
| [03:05:01] | [R]: | and look |
| [03:05:34] | tonsofpcs: | I'm usually lazy and ignore how it flags things and just watch them if I want to watch them and don't if I don't (but then why did I record it in the first place?) |
| [03:08:11] | somethinginteres: | tonsofpcs: me too but today I figured I'd try to be not lazy and find out. :) |
| [03:09:13] | somethinginteres: | [R]: what'd the entry in the XML file to look for? |
| [03:09:32] | [R]: | the one for the portiino of the screen you want |
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| [04:04:09] | bill6502: | somethinginteres:Look in your backend log for text like this "<Gap start="2013-01–12T19:51:00Z" end="2013-01–12T19:51:21Z" duration="21" />". You'll likely see your yellow recording's title nearby. As for green, in the Steppes theme, it means currently recording. |
| [04:07:17] | somethinginteres: | bill6502: thanks bill. Found a few other those. No titles though, seems to be in date format. |
| [04:12:44] | bill6502: | somethinginteres: It won't be in the <Gap... line, but nearby. Such as: Updating status for <program title>. |
| [04:18:45] | somethinginteres: | bill6502: looks like commercial detection error'd. The recording seems to have completed. |
| [04:20:13] | somethinginteres: | bill6502: horrid signal though it looks like so recording is unwatchable. Could relate to either of those things. This is why I think it's critical to have some kind of written user feedback on screen. Colours don't mean much without explanation. |
| [04:22:58] | bill6502: | I just switched to Mythcenter-wide 1.7 and the only recording that was damaged (orange boarder in Steppes) had its text in yellow. |
| [04:24:21] | somethinginteres: | bill6502: hmm OK. maybe the signal got so bad it did in fact lose it all together. I'm going to have to check my tuners and see if they're working properly. This was the first recording in awhile where I had 2 going at the same time, needing tuner1 |
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| [04:32:42] | somethinginteres: | bill6502: looks like they're both working fine. Must've been a temporary hiccup. Thanks for your help. |
| [04:33:33] | wagnerrp: | i just love it when users create tickets, and say all the relevant information is on a private ubuntu bug that no one can actually access... |
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| [04:45:31] | Korny2: | I get couple damaged recordings a week, most of them play fine however :/ |
| [04:48:29] | wagnerrp: | you shouldn't be getting any damaged recordings |
| [04:48:38] | wagnerrp: | that typically means you've got something that needs fixing |
| [04:48:48] | wagnerrp: | like a bad antennd drop, or poor reception |
| [04:51:45] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp are you free to finish helping me? |
| [04:52:10] | wagnerrp: | nope, about to go to bed |
| [04:52:47] | Bray90820: | alright then tomorrow |
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| [14:56:53] | louisdk: | What cons does mythtv have over xbmc+tvheadend? |
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| [16:53:17] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
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| [16:53:48] | Hilikus: | is there by now another card supported in mythtv to record HD? hopefully internal |
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| [16:55:15] | wagnerrp: | other than the external HDPVR? no |
| [16:55:33] | Quantum7: | Current 0.27 nightly does not update the description as you parse through recordings. When should I update? |
| [16:55:52] | wagnerrp: | Quantum7: i'm not sure what you mean |
| [16:56:16] | Quantum7: | Arrow through the recordings to watch, but the description never changes. |
| [16:56:32] | wagnerrp: | what is the description? |
| [16:56:45] | jpabq: | Last time someone complained about that, they were using the Qt painter instead of OpenGL. |
| [16:56:47] | Quantum7: | ... of the currently-selected recording. |
| [16:57:08] | wagnerrp: | jpabq: actually, i'm thinking it's because he's using EIT data, and everything just gets the same generic description |
| [16:57:18] | Quantum7: | jpabq: O? |
| [16:57:29] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: just to be sure. its this one right? Hauppauge WinTV HDPVR Video Recorder (1219) |
| [16:57:37] | jpabq: | wagnerrp: Heh, I know nothing about EIT. |
| [16:57:53] | Quantum7: | wagnerrp: not a generic, but the descrition of the show selected when I exit the recording. |
| [16:57:57] | wagnerrp: | hilikus: it's the external USB one that captures component video |
| [16:58:31] | jpabq: | Hilikus: the one I use is the (1212) version. |
| [16:58:34] | Quantum7: | jpabq: where is OpenGL selected? |
| [16:58:38] | wagnerrp: | Quantum7: is this in "Watch Recordings"? or are you talking about the EPG OSD during playback? |
| [16:58:49] | Quantum7: | "Watch Recordings" |
| [16:59:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, watch recordings works just fine for me |
| [16:59:18] | Quantum7: | where is OpenGL selected? |
| [16:59:30] | Hilikus: | jpabq didn';t know there were severeal versions |
| [16:59:32] | jpabq: | Setup -> Appearance |
| [16:59:41] | Hilikus: | jpabq do all of them work with linux? |
| [16:59:43] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying it's either a generic description, or a bug in the EIT parser that no one actually uses to care to fix |
| [17:00:15] | jpabq: | Hilikus: The only one that I *know* works in linux is the very first model they came out with — the 1212. |
| [17:00:35] | wagnerrp: | there were three versions i know of that work |
| [17:00:57] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: do you have a list? |
| [17:01:02] | wagnerrp: | the original 1212, some version with different packaged manuals, and the original "gamer" version with a different color LED and different packaged cables |
| [17:01:05] | Quantum7: | Ooo, Paint Engine was Qt. I'll set to OpenGL. |
| [17:01:22] | Hilikus: | i'm looking at this one |
| [17:01:23] | Hilikus: | http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/hauppa . . . ffe93a0aen02 |
| [17:01:50] | Hilikus: | there's no colour led. i have seen those though |
| [17:01:58] | wagnerrp: | that's probably the version that comes with english and french manuals or something |
| [17:02:10] | Hilikus: | yes, probably |
| [17:02:13] | wagnerrp: | and there is a color LED, the gap in the lid lights up blue when it's recording |
| [17:02:21] | wagnerrp: | the gamer version lights up green |
| [17:02:24] | Hilikus: | oh really? |
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| [17:02:37] | Quantum7: | Nah, description still does not change. |
| [17:02:47] | Hilikus: | so it seems that one would work, right? |
| [17:02:47] | wagnerrp: | what is the specific description? |
| [17:03:04] | jpabq: | Hilikus: That looks the same as mine. I am *guessing* it will work fine. |
| [17:03:18] | Quantum7: | Hercules: Clash of the Gods... (descr of show) |
| [17:03:34] | Quantum7: | arrow down to other shows and it's still Hercules. |
| [17:03:48] | Hilikus: | ok, one last question. have you heard anything about HD in linux that would make it better to wait for it than buying that hdpvr at this point? |
| [17:04:03] | Hilikus: | i know it's a pretty old device now |
| [17:04:13] | wagnerrp: | hilikus: just to clarify something, you're looking to capture HD off a cable/satellite box? |
| [17:04:15] | Hilikus: | but i haven't seen anything but problems about hd in linux |
| [17:04:19] | jpabq: | Hilikus: this is the one I use http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definiti . . . p/B0018LX0DY – the picture has it on and recording, that is why it has the blue glow. |
| [17:04:28] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: yes, STB |
| [17:04:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the first HDPVR is the only option |
| [17:04:58] | wagnerrp: | neither the colossus, nor the HDPVR2, has publicly available linux support |
| [17:05:10] | jpabq: | Hilikus: what kind of STB are you using? Dish? Directv? Cable? |
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| [17:05:21] | wagnerrp: | and with no linux support, there's no purpose to adding mythtv support |
| [17:06:35] | Hilikus: | jpabq its a scientific american explorer 4250HD |
| [17:06:44] | jpabq: | Comcast? |
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| [17:07:10] | Hilikus: | the provider you mean? |
| [17:07:36] | Hilikus: | it's a quebec provider |
| [17:07:42] | jpabq: | Hilikus: if you are on Comcast, you may want to look into a Ceton or HDhomerun Prime instead. It wont let you record premiums like HBO, but *should* work for all your standard cable channels. |
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| [17:07:50] | wagnerrp: | no, he's in canada |
| [17:07:58] | wagnerrp: | cablecard is not a federal requirement in canada |
| [17:08:00] | jpabq: | Hilikus: oh. In that case, yes you are probably best off with the HD-PVR. |
| [17:08:28] | jpabq: | Hilikus: you may want to talk to neufeld_AFK. I think he may be in a similar situation as you. |
| [17:09:06] | Hilikus: | in what sense? |
| [17:09:19] | Quantum7: | Is the nightly 0.27 updated nightly? |
| [17:09:33] | jpabq: | He uses the HD-PVR, and he lives in Canada. |
| [17:09:38] | Hilikus: | ah ok |
| [17:10:18] | Hilikus: | is there a posibility the hdpvr won't be able to record the signal? IIUC it plugs via analog so there's no HDCP |
| [17:11:09] | jpabq: | Hilikus: is should be able to record just fine. Biggest trick with cable STBs, is getting the channel changed on the STB. The HD-PVR has an IR blaster, but it does not work well. |
| [17:11:35] | Hilikus: | jpabq i already have an ir blaster working. i havce a pvr-150 |
| [17:11:35] | jpabq: | s/is/it/ |
| [17:11:45] | jpabq: | You should be good, then. |
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| [17:12:30] | Hilikus: | what do you mean it doesn't work well? cause with the new box it would be the box handling the blaster, wouldn't it? so if it doesn't work well i might be in trouble |
| [17:12:46] | Hilikus: | or you recommend leaving the pvr-150 and control the blaster with it instead? |
| [17:13:32] | jpabq: | Hilikus: the HD-PVR has both an optical S/PDIF and analog RCA audio inputs. I use the S/PDIF for my audio, and get full 5.1 sound. Some STBs have A/V sync problems with the optical S/PDIF and have to fall back to using the analog RCA inputs instead. |
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| [17:14:41] | jpabq: | Hilikus: I have read that the latest versions of the HD-PVR have the IR blaster fixed, so it may work for you. I have never tried to use the IR blaster, since my STB has a working USB port that can be used to change channels. |
| [17:15:21] | Hilikus: | really? i never checked if mine does. i didn't know such thoing existed given that cable providers/stb makers are asses |
| [17:15:47] | Hilikus: | any internal replaced to an ir blaster would be great |
| [17:15:58] | Hilikus: | i still get every now and then a bad channel change |
| [17:16:00] | jpabq: | My STB is from Directv. Having that USB port is one of the reasons I chose them over other options. |
| [17:16:18] | wagnerrp: | Quantum7: you'll have to be more specific. we only do source here, there is no "nightly" anything |
| [17:16:34] | jpabq: | Some cable company STBs have a firewire port that can be used to change channels. |
| [17:16:45] | Quantum7: | OMG. |
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| [17:17:02] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [17:18:17] | tgm4883`: | wagnerrp, we told him something similar on another question he asked. And apparently that meant we were being a-holes to him |
| [17:18:19] | jpabq: | Hilikus: neufeld_AFK can probably tell you what he uses to change channels. |
| [17:18:41] | Quantum7: | I'll just take a guess. |
| [17:18:49] | wagnerrp: | i suppose we're supposed to sugar coat the truth? |
| [17:19:08] | Hilikus: | jpabq is there a list or page where i could see if there's support for my STB in linux? there is a usb port, a 1394 port and a round plug kinda like 3.5mm jack that says IR |
| [17:19:10] | tgm4883`: | wagnerrp, just don't ask him to be more specific |
| [17:19:18] | tgm4883`: | wagnerrp, we're actually meant to guess what he really means |
| [17:19:51] | tgm4883`: | wagnerrp, I think the last question as "what time is git updated" |
| [17:19:57] | EvilGuru: | tgm4883`: And I presume that if we guess wrong that it is somehow *our* fault |
| [17:19:58] | tgm4883`: | *was |
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| [17:20:10] | tgm4883`: | EvilGuru, yea, pretty much |
| [17:20:20] | tgm4883`: | Quantum7, I simply refuse to help him now |
| [17:20:24] | tgm4883`: | err, EvilGuru |
| [17:20:26] | wagnerrp: | git is updated instantaneously, or at least as instant as CPU power and network latency/throughput allows |
| [17:20:34] | jpabq: | Hilikus: part of the problem is, that just because the STB manufacturer builds those ports into the STB, does not mean that the cable company has not disabled them. So, it is a combination of STB model combined with your local cable company policies. |
| [17:20:35] | wagnerrp: | which typically means within a few seconds |
| [17:20:37] | tgm4883`: | wagnerrp, yea I know |
| [17:20:45] | tgm4883`: | we told him that too |
| [17:21:04] | EvilGuru: | tgm4883`: "Flipping the bozo bit" is the sugar coated term ;) |
| [17:21:37] | tgm4883`: | my best guess is that he's talking about mythbuntu builds |
| [17:21:46] | jpabq: | Hilikus: even though you don't have directv, you may find this interesting: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_DirecT . . . SB_or_Serial |
| [17:21:57] | tgm4883`: | since they are the only builds I know about that are done on a regular basis |
| [17:21:59] | Hilikus: | jpabq so how could i try this? i wouldn't even know where to start. that's way a list or at list a know-to would help |
| [17:22:05] | Quantum7: | Usual shit here. |
| [17:22:07] | Hilikus: | jpabq i'll check that, thank you |
| [17:22:29] | wagnerrp: | Quantum7: you asked a question. we cannot answer that question until you clarify it. |
| [17:22:41] | jpabq: | Hilikus: that is why I suggested trying to talk to neufeld_AFK. He seems to be very tech savvy. |
| [17:22:42] | Hilikus: | that, that was all wrong. i meant a list or a how-to |
| [17:22:46] | tgm4883`: | But "when are the nightly builds done" in the mythtv channel means absolutely nothing |
| [17:22:57] | Hilikus: | jpabq, ok, i'll try that |
| [17:22:57] | wagnerrp: | what "nightly 0.27" are you referring to |
| [17:23:00] | Quantum7: | English is the language I described it in, but that is not understood. |
| [17:23:01] | Hilikus: | thanks a lot jpabq |
| [17:23:12] | jpabq: | Hilikus: good luck |
| [17:23:14] | tgm4883`: | if it was in the mythbuntu channel, we could at least guess |
| [17:23:17] | Quantum7: | Not only that but I get a bucket of crud as a reward. |
| [17:23:17] | Hilikus: | thank you! |
| [17:23:20] | wagnerrp: | we understood the question, but the question you asked had no answer |
| [17:23:30] | wagnerrp: | because you asked about something that does not exist |
| [17:23:33] | jpabq: | Hilikus: I am confident you can get it all to work. I just don't know what it will take. |
| [17:23:36] | wagnerrp: | MythTV does not do anything nightly |
| [17:23:38] | Quantum7: | wagnerrp: so nightlies are never updated. |
| [17:23:40] | tgm4883`: | wagnerrp, that is probably the correct answer |
| [17:23:45] | tgm4883`: | "there are no nightlies" |
| [17:24:01] | Quantum7: | There is no tgm4883` |
| [17:24:03] | tgm4883`: | Quantum7, there are no nightly builds |
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| [17:24:11] | wagnerrp: | MythTV does not do compiled packages |
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| [17:24:45] | wagnerrp: | and the cppcheck and doxygen runs are performed several times a day, at two and six hour intervals, respectively |
| [17:25:00] | wagnerrp: | so there is nothing "nightly" for you to ask about |
| [17:25:02] | Quantum7: | You must be playing games. This is not about compiled packages. It's about the git, which is the only source of the saveset. |
| [17:25:07] | Hilikus: | jpabq well, worst case i'll continue to use the blaster, i just don't like it that much, especially if there's an internal solution for it |
| [17:25:09] | tgm4883: | Quantum7, there are no nightly builds done by the MythTV team |
| [17:25:15] | jpabq: | Quantum7: who builds the mythtv package for you? Your question should be directed at them. The MythTV project does not build packages. |
| [17:25:16] | wagnerrp: | yes, there is nothing "nightly" about git |
| [17:25:17] | Quantum7: | {der} |
| [17:25:21] | tgm4883: | Quantum7, OMG, we've had this conversation before |
| [17:25:24] | wagnerrp: | git is a version control system |
| [17:25:38] | Hilikus: | jpabq do you think calling tech support and asking about changing channels through their ports would work, or they won't help with that? |
| [17:25:42] | wagnerrp: | when developers make a change, they push the change directly to git, hosted on the mythtv server |
| [17:25:53] | wagnerrp: | you do not have access to the authoritative git repository |
| [17:26:01] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, please stop, we've had this exact same conversation before. |
| [17:26:11] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, in fact, I think you have said this before as well |
| [17:26:12] | wagnerrp: | but changes pushed to the authoritative repository are immediately pushed to github, which you can access |
| [17:26:29] | jpabq: | Hilikus: In my experience, finding someone at your local cable company that would understand the question is highly unlikely. |
| [17:26:30] | wagnerrp: | meaning, when a developer pushes a change, that change is available to you mere seconds later |
| [17:26:49] | wagnerrp: | it is event driven, not periodic |
| [17:27:13] | tgm4883: | so in other words, git is updated as soon as you do 'git pull' (or something to that effect) |
| [17:27:27] | wagnerrp: | 'git push', rather |
| [17:27:38] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, well for him, it's updated when he does a git pull |
| [17:27:40] | Quantum7: | I don't know how yo put this so you will understand. Maybe "how often are substantive changes made to the 0.27 source, in general. I am not asking for precisely when, or , ah forget it. |
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| [17:27:49] | tgm4883: | oh |
| [17:27:56] | tgm4883: | I understand what he is asking now |
| [17:27:58] | tgm4883: | I think |
| [17:28:24] | wagnerrp: | Quantum7: i make a change, i run 'git add' to add the change to a commit, i run 'git commit' to commit that change to my local repository, i run 'git push' to push that commit to the authoritative server |
| [17:28:46] | wagnerrp: | and as part of an event driven script running on the server, as soon as i push that commit, it gets bounced to github |
| [17:28:50] | Quantum7: | I have this major malfunction, and the information I am trying to get with the words which are coming out of my mouth, is how long should I wait before trying a clone again?! |
| [17:29:00] | wagnerrp: | and subsequently, you can 'git pull' to pull the change from github |
| [17:29:02] | jpabq: | Quantum7: as a general rule, "big" changes are committed to the git repository at the beginning of the week. Smaller "bug fixes" are committed at any time. |
| [17:29:10] | wagnerrp: | you only ever run 'git clone' once |
| [17:29:31] | wagnerrp: | any subsequent time you want to update your local repository, you run 'git pull' to pull only the incremental changes |
| [17:29:52] | Quantum7: | THANK you jpabq. |
| [17:29:58] | wagnerrp: | so instead of pulling the big 400MB repository of every change made to mythtv in the last 10 years |
| [17:30:10] | Quantum7: | wagnerrp: I have to clone as I have a patch to apply. |
| [17:30:10] | wagnerrp: | you only pull a couple hundred KB in incremental changes |
| [17:30:31] | tgm4883: | 0_0 |
| [17:30:33] | wagnerrp: | jpabq: that's not a general rule i've ever heard of |
| [17:30:58] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I'm assuming it's more along the lines "you've had the weekend to do lots of work" |
| [17:30:59] | jpabq: | wagnerrp: daniel requested that we follow that when possible. |
| [17:31:02] | wagnerrp: | it may just be coincidental, because some developer was working on that big change over the weekend, and pushed it on a sunday or monday |
| [17:31:25] | wagnerrp: | good to know, must have missed that |
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| [17:32:08] | jpabq: | I have not seen it talked about in over a year, though... |
| [17:32:11] | tgm4883: | Quantum7, are you just needing to pull again to see if the description issue you were talking about earlier is fixed? |
| [17:32:18] | tgm4883: | Quantum7, or are there other things |
| [17:32:38] | Quantum7: | First one. |
| [17:32:50] | tgm4883: | What theme are you using? |
| [17:33:12] | wagnerrp: | Quantum7: if you are running the developmental version, and are experiencing some problem, you should first check trac to see if someone has reported it, second add a ticket if no one else has, and third watch the mythtv-commits mailing list to see what changes are being made and when, so you know when to update |
| [17:33:15] | Quantum7: | Mythbuntu. Others are too hard to read what I've watched. |
| [17:33:32] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, do you have to restart the frontend after changing the themepainter? |
| [17:34:10] | wagnerrp: | i believe you only have to reset the UI, which should happen automatically when you hit "finish" in the appearances section |
| [17:34:11] | Quantum7: | wagnerrp: thank you but no, I should check here first in case it's something like a Painter setting. |
| [17:34:44] | Quantum7: | When I changed to OpenGL it did seem to restart the frontend, but same problem. |
| [17:34:54] | wagnerrp: | Quantum7: no, the idea that one painter isn't working for certain things is what is known as a bug |
| [17:35:18] | wagnerrp: | even if the problem can be worked around using another painter, that doesn't mean the first painter isn't broken |
| [17:35:29] | Quantum7: | If I check here and no one knows about it, this is a true statement. |
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| [17:35:40] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, what is the reason for 2 painters? |
| [17:36:01] | wagnerrp: | because some systems have crappy OpenGL implementations and cannot run the OpenGL painter reliably |
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| [17:36:12] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, so why not just have the qt painter? |
| [17:36:20] | wagnerrp: | because opengl >> qt |
| [17:36:24] | tgm4883: | why? |
| [17:36:36] | wagnerrp: | it's hardware driven |
| [17:36:37] | EvilGuru: | tgm4883: Nice and animated :) |
| [17:36:57] | EvilGuru: | Qt does have an OpenGL GL painter backend but it is suspect in many regards |
| [17:37:02] | wagnerrp: | and presumably, at some time, we're going to get some fancy animations beyond just a blended transition |
| [17:37:13] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, what I'm getting at, is that this painter issue we're discussing with the description is happening to everyone using 0.26+ with the mythbuntu theme |
| [17:37:56] | tgm4883: | Quantum7, good to know. Any other comments/suggestions for the Mythbuntu theme? |
| [17:37:58] | wagnerrp: | qt is working fine for me, let me try the mythbuntu theme |
| [17:38:05] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, thanks |
| [17:38:12] | xur17: | I'm trying to setup mythtv to work over openvpn, but I am having some trouble getting the frontend to connect. The system receives a 10.8.0.x address via the vpn, but has access to the remote mythtv box via it (192.168.0.150 – pinging it works). Any hints (sorry, this is kind of hard to explain) |
| [17:38:51] | Quantum7: | xur17: reverse openssh tunnels works well. |
| [17:38:52] | EvilGuru: | xur17: Doubt it is myth related :) |
| [17:39:13] | wagnerrp: | xur17: sounds like you do not have your routes set up on your VPN machine to provide the client access to the 192.168/24 subnet |
| [17:39:15] | tgm4883: | EvilGuru, wagnerrp does any theme offer nice animated stuff? What sort of animation are we talking about? |
| [17:39:20] | xur17: | What ports do I need via openssh? |
| [17:39:30] | Quantum7: | 22 |
| [17:39:37] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: just a blended transition between menu pages |
| [17:39:39] | EvilGuru: | tgm4883: Just the blending and 'zoom' like effect for some of the dialogs |
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| [17:39:58] | EvilGuru: | Trivial in OpenGL but basically impossible with software painting |
| [17:40:04] | xur17: | @Quantum7 – No, I mean what ports do I need for mythtv access? 3306, and 6543? |
| [17:40:06] | wagnerrp: | qt and mythbuntu theme work fine here |
| [17:40:14] | wagnerrp: | xur17: why not open all of them? |
| [17:40:25] | wagnerrp: | if the client is connecting over the VPN, then they are a trusted entity |
| [17:40:33] | wagnerrp: | no reason to restrict access from them |
| [17:40:45] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, hmm. interesting |
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| [17:40:50] | xur17: | @wagnerrp: The routes work fine, as I can ping the system, access mythweb, etc via its local address |
| [17:41:06] | EvilGuru: | xur17: Or /consider/ briding |
| [17:41:10] | EvilGuru: | *bridging |
| [17:41:28] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin some frontend logs so we can see specifically where it is failing? |
| [17:41:42] | wagnerrp: | is it possible you never properly set up the login credentials for mysql? |
| [17:41:57] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, is there extra logging we can turn for that issue? |
| [17:42:14] | wagnerrp: | just the basic logging should be sufficient |
| [17:42:26] | wagnerrp: | it's either going to be inability to connect to mysql or the backend |
| [17:42:32] | wagnerrp: | and it's easy enough to tell which |
| [17:43:10] | tgm4883: | really? cause it connects to pull the first show |
| [17:43:11] | wagnerrp: | or are you talking about the theme/description thing? |
| [17:43:14] | xur17: | @wagnerrp Remotely connecting to the mysql server works fine over the vpn (mysql -u mythtv -p -h 192.168.0.150) |
| [17:43:15] | tgm4883: | yea |
| [17:43:19] | tgm4883: | the theme/description thing |
| [17:43:27] | wagnerrp: | best to talk to stuartm |
| [17:43:35] | wagnerrp: | i don't know that section of code well |
| [17:43:38] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [17:43:52] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Are there still plans, long term, to move to an embedded SQL database (so no direct external SQL commands to the backend) |
| [17:43:59] | xur17: | @wagnerrp – Let me get some logs, one second |
| [17:44:00] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: yes |
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| [17:46:51] | ** tgm4883 waits for that day ** | |
| [17:47:04] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I'm assuming that isn't in 0.27's plans |
| [17:47:25] | wagnerrp: | no, still a long way off |
| [17:47:32] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, how about web-setup? |
| [17:47:46] | wagnerrp: | don't know about that one |
| [17:47:51] | xur17: | @wagnerrp http://pastie.org/5869747 |
| [17:47:55] | xur17: | @wagnerrp Do I need to bind the mythtv backend to 0.0.0.0 instead of 192.168.0.150 or something since the connections over the vpn will be coming from an address that isn't in 192.168.0.x? |
| [17:48:34] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: really, someone just needs to rewrite the device and channel scanners into the backend, and expose them to the Services API |
| [17:48:42] | wagnerrp: | that's the tough part, and the only real vital part |
| [17:48:46] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, is the release notes page manually updated by developers or is that auto-generated |
| [17:48:53] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, that's the only thing left? |
| [17:49:00] | wagnerrp: | the web UI itself is fairly quick to write after that |
| [17:50:06] | wagnerrp: | "Failed binding to UDP 127.0.0.1:6948 – Error 8: The bound address is already in use" |
| [17:50:17] | wagnerrp: | that's not anything important, but what would be using that? |
| [17:50:26] | wagnerrp: | do you already have another copy of the frontend running? |
| [17:51:04] | xur17: | @wagnerrp – Not sure. |
| [17:51:32] | wagnerrp: | anyway, those logs are incomplete. it hasn't yet tried to contact the master backend |
| [17:51:34] | xur17: | @wagnerrp – Nope, I there shouldn't be another copy of the frontend running |
| [17:51:45] | wagnerrp: | and to be honest, it's troubling that it took a whole minute to get as far as it did |
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| [17:52:45] | wagnerrp: | "Binding to UDP 192.168.43.255:6948" |
| [17:53:12] | wagnerrp: | that's good... means you're only using 192.168.43/24, and not overlapping with 192.168/16 |
| [17:53:24] | xur17: | @wagnerrp – Why is it trying to bind to its local address? |
| [17:54:09] | wagnerrp: | services API (http server) on 6547, UDP listener for UI popups on 6548 |
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| [17:54:42] | xur17: | @wagnerrp – I'm connecting via my cell phone wifi (192.168.43.x) via a vpn (I receive a 10.8.0.x address from that), and my routes are setup to allow me access via the vpn to 192.168.0.150 |
| [17:55:08] | wagnerrp: | eew... no real reason to even bother at that point |
| [17:55:18] | xur17: | What port does it communicate to the backend via? |
| [17:55:22] | wagnerrp: | would be enough to manage recordings or something |
| [17:55:31] | wagnerrp: | but you're not going to be able to watch anything |
| [17:55:44] | wagnerrp: | 6543 is the default port, and 6544 for services (http) |
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| [17:59:30] | xur17: | @wagnerrp – Ah, you're right – I was misreading the network utilization when I was watching a show as being 2mbit/s instead of 2mbytes/s (16mbps). My upload is ~10mbps, which isn''t sufficient in this case for HD. It should be sufficient for SD though. Not really worth it in this case I suppose. Thanks for the help though |
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| [18:13:45] | runelind: | I'm having issues with HLS on my FreeBSD based 0.26 backend. I have install jwplayer, but when I add a stream, the status field will just refresh over and over again and the status just says "starting" |
| [18:14:18] | wagnerrp: | chances are you didn't compile it with the necessary options |
| [18:14:38] | runelind: | hrm, let me look at the config file in the ports. |
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| [18:15:28] | runelind: | very limited options in make config. |
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| [18:15:51] | wagnerrp: | it's entirely possible the port is not designed with the necessary options |
| [18:15:58] | wagnerrp: | run 'make configure' and see what it does |
| [18:17:30] | runelind: | it only has options for lirc, vdpau, opengl, mysql and perl and python bindings |
| [18:17:57] | wagnerrp: | could you paste the specific configure line it uses? |
| [18:18:23] | runelind: | yeah, let me look at the Makefile |
| [18:18:38] | wagnerrp: | no, just run 'make configure' and look at the output |
| [18:19:43] | wagnerrp: | config, patch, configure, build, install... the freebsd ports system lets you access each of the steps independently |
| [18:20:03] | wagnerrp: | 'make configure' will configure the port, but not start building it |
| [18:20:33] | wagnerrp: | just scroll back up to the top and see what it fed into './configure' |
| [18:20:36] | runelind: | ah, ok, hold. |
| [18:20:54] | wagnerrp: | or even go down into the work directory and see what is in 'config.log' |
| [18:21:21] | runelind: | ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --dvb-path=/usr/local/include --enable-v4l2 --enable-ivtv --enable-xv --disable-audio-alsa --disable-indev=alsa --disable-outdev=alsa --enable-opengl-video --disable-vdpau |
| [18:22:21] | wagnerrp: | i know you need at least --enable-nonfree and --enable-libx264 |
| [18:22:56] | wagnerrp: | if you run './configure --help', there are a number of options at the bottom you can ebale |
| [18:23:02] | wagnerrp: | enable |
| [18:23:49] | runelind: | yeah |
| [18:24:26] | runelind: | wonder what the right way of going about fixing this is. |
| [18:24:48] | runelind: | I could add that flag into the Makefile |
| [18:25:13] | runelind: | but smells like something the upstream devs should put in. |
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| [18:28:10] | ** runelind tries it anyway ** | |
| [18:28:28] | wagnerrp: | what hardware are you trying to run this on? |
| [18:28:44] | runelind: | Intel Q8400 |
| [18:29:12] | runelind: | w/8GB RAM |
| [18:29:21] | wagnerrp: | should be plenty |
| [18:30:24] | tonsofpcs: | 0.25/fixes builds in 5 minutes on my Q6600 with 4GB... |
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| [18:34:04] | runelind: | wagnerrp: do you know where FreeBSD stores the myth backend config file? |
| [18:34:30] | wagnerrp: | backend configuration is in the database |
| [18:34:41] | runelind: | ok, so I won't wipe it out by rebuilding. |
| [18:34:52] | wagnerrp: | tonsofpcs: i was more speaking to the HLS encoding |
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| [18:38:02] | monkeypet69: | tonsofpcs: why are you running 0.25/fixes instead of 0.26/fixes? |
| [18:38:34] | tonsofpcs: | monkeypet69: mythbuntu... when I installed, I tried updating to 0.26 and it broke a ton of things. |
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| [18:41:12] | runelind: | my compile is taking longer, but it is probably just using one core. |
| [18:41:17] | runelind: | FreeBSD is silly like that. |
| [18:41:37] | tgm4883: | tonsofpcs, what broke? |
| [18:41:59] | wagnerrp: | silly because it only uses multiple cores if you tell it to? |
| [18:42:05] | tonsofpcs: | -j 5 |
| [18:42:32] | runelind: | I think FreeBSD devs advises against multiple cores when building ports. |
| [18:43:18] | runelind: | afk |
| [18:43:22] | wagnerrp: | there's no harm in it, beyond the problems you can see when building manually using multiple processes |
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| [18:43:54] | wagnerrp: | you can run out of memory on a particularly large file |
| [18:44:04] | wagnerrp: | you can run into ordering problems when the Makefile is buggy |
| [18:44:29] | wagnerrp: | if you do fault out somewhere, it's tough to figure out where without rebuilding with -j1 |
| [18:44:38] | EvilGuru: | I used to have trouble building chrome with four processes and 4GB of memory; but even that's been fixed now |
| [18:44:38] | runelind: | afk for a bit. |
| [18:44:42] | tonsofpcs: | database access didn't work right – manually fixed that and it wouldn't update the database, mythweb was all over the place (something about language pointers), uh.... |
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| [18:45:52] | tgm4883: | tonsofpcs, from packages or buildling from source? |
| [18:46:41] | tgm4883: | tonsofpcs, I know there was an issue with where the packages were looking for the db parameters, but that has been fixed |
| [18:47:44] | tonsofpcs: | packages, but I manually fixed the db parameters anyway (due to the config changing) |
| [18:49:31] | monkeypet69: | so why aren't you running 0.26/fixes? |
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| [19:57:05] | runelind: | ok, back and attempting a restart after rebuilding from ports. |
| [19:59:00] | runelind: | yay, streaming works now :D |
| [20:01:49] | runelind: | flash streaming still does not appear to work via mythweb though, still getting error 200 |
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| [20:06:55] | runelind: | and I probably have some nginx config issues because ASX streaming via nginx doesn't work either, just has me download the asx file which doesn't work. |
| [20:07:13] | runelind: | probably related to the same thing that breaks flash streaming, but it is not a huge concern. |
| [20:08:35] | wagnerrp: | sounds like your MIME settings are off |
| [20:08:53] | wagnerrp: | the server isn't telling the client the ASX file is anything more than a dumb text file |
| [20:09:00] | runelind: | it's possible |
| [20:09:08] | wagnerrp: | so the client is treating it as such |
| [20:09:09] | runelind: | I'm pretty new to nginx. |
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| [20:15:10] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, are u there? |
| [20:16:16] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, what about this output: http://pastebin.com/1LaLJH5q . Are most binaries stripped here too? |
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| [20:17:55] | Oleg_: | people, help me with debugging mythtv! |
| [20:21:16] | Oleg_: | brb |
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| [20:32:31] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, please help |
| [20:40:16] | runelind: | wow, HLS on the iPad is amazing :D |
| [20:40:31] | [R]: | thats whast she said |
| [20:42:39] | Oleg_: | why can't anyone help me with debugging mythtv? |
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| [20:53:53] | runelind: | so I can't use HLS to stream recordings in progress, correct? |
| [20:56:52] | Nallic: | im no mysql expert. could someone help me. Im trying to connect to the backend and get "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'hp' (using password: YES) |
| [20:57:24] | Nallic: | i guess the database permissions is wrong.. but its @ % |
| [20:58:00] | runelind: | check out http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
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| [21:03:11] | runelind: | actually it does seem like I'm able to use HLS for recordings in progress :D |
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| [21:12:26] | Oleg_: | what the hell |
| [21:12:30] | Oleg_: | now I am getting this: |
| [21:12:32] | Oleg_: | ERROR! You must have the Lame MP3 encoding library installed to compile MythTV. |
| [21:12:44] | Oleg_: | I never had this problem before |
| [21:14:41] | [R]: | you must haev had lame |
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| [21:17:07] | Oleg_: | I have libmp3lame.so.0 |
| [21:17:07] | Oleg_: | installed in /usr/local/lib |
| [21:18:10] | lucas^: | runelind: they advise against it when manually building ports which depend on other ports because the makefile system they have isn't set up to deal with two builds happening on the same dependent port. I think it's safe to do it within a port, or when using a more intelligent utility to build like portmaster |
| [21:18:45] | Oleg_: | brb |
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| [21:24:50] | storrgie: | My family is getting charter TV, we have OpenELEC boxes all over our house and a central server that hosts 40T of media (zfs). I'm very new to the idea of a PVR... does anyone have pointers to help me get started? |
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| [21:26:25] | lucas^: | 40T? jesus |
| [21:27:04] | Nallic: | runelind: well.. i have run the grant, but it is unsuccessfull |
| [21:27:04] | Pluribus: | Dang, I thought my 16T was a lot... |
| [21:27:14] | Nallic: | actually mythweb fails too.. |
| [21:27:21] | Nallic: | but it does not log why |
| [21:27:30] | Nallic: | just 500 in browser |
| [21:28:32] | storrgie: | we have lots of BlueRay rips :D |
| [21:28:43] | Oleg_: | what the fuck! this is some weird shit! |
| [21:29:12] | Oleg_: | mythtv never complained about the missing libmp3 library before, and now it started complaining all of a sudden |
| [21:29:15] | storrgie: | so I think that I need to get a tuner box right? then I point mythtv to that? |
| [21:29:23] | storrgie: | run mythtv on my main server? |
| [21:29:25] | runelind: | storrgie: correct. |
| [21:29:35] | runelind: | I run mythtv backend on my freebsd file server. |
| [21:29:43] | tgm4883: | define "tuner box" |
| [21:29:53] | runelind: | with a HD HomeRun Prime |
| [21:30:38] | storrgie: | well I was looking at the hdhomerun |
| [21:30:39] | tgm4883: | runelind, I ask that, because some people may think that a backend will magically talk to a cablebox if they are both on the same network |
| [21:30:44] | storrgie: | is there something that is better? |
| [21:31:10] | storrgie: | does anyone have experience with charter server? |
| [21:31:26] | tgm4883: | what is charter server? |
| [21:32:11] | storrgie: | service* sorry |
| [21:32:24] | storrgie: | with the hdhomerun... do I need cable boxes from my isp? |
| [21:32:28] | lucas^: | I use Midcontinent, and most basic cable channels here are ClearQAM |
| [21:32:57] | lucas^: | you can get a CableCARD-ready tuner if Charter will let you rent a CableCARD |
| [21:33:16] | lucas^: | the problem being that you have several rooms in the house to hook up and therefore would need several tuners |
| [21:33:45] | storrgie: | can mythtv use multiple backends |
| [21:33:45] | tgm4883: | lucas^, thats isn't necessarily true |
| [21:33:49] | storrgie: | like, two hdhomeruns? |
| [21:34:02] | tgm4883: | storrgie, well that is two different things but yes |
| [21:34:29] | tgm4883: | cablecard hdhomerun can record 3 channels at the same time ( I think the new model does 4 ) |
| [21:34:55] | tgm4883: | storrgie, there can be multiple backends in a mythtv cluster |
| [21:34:55] | storrgie: | does it need 3 cables to record 3 channels |
| [21:35:02] | storrgie: | or can do it over one physical cable? |
| [21:35:18] | tgm4883: | storrgie, and a single backend can have multiple tuners (so multiple hdhomeruns per backend) |
| [21:35:31] | tgm4883: | storrgie, no, it's a single cable and single cablecard for the 3 channels |
| [21:36:00] | lucas^: | are these tuners capable of recording/watching multiple channels at once? |
| [21:36:14] | tgm4883: | lucas^, no, they don't have multirec |
| [21:36:18] | lucas^: | I'm using the HVR-1600 which isn't CableCARD and doesn't have the capability |
| [21:37:11] | tgm4883: | lucas^, are you sure? I think the 1600 supports multirec |
| [21:37:39] | storrgie: | so I would need to go to my provider and ask them for a physical CableCARD |
| [21:37:45] | storrgie: | which is just a smart card right? |
| [21:37:50] | lucas^: | I used to be able to record ATSC while watching NTSC, but that was back when NTSC was actually around |
| [21:37:54] | tgm4883: | lucas^, nm, a quick search says it can't |
| [21:38:06] | tgm4883: | storrgie, yes |
| [21:38:15] | tgm4883: | storrgie, and hope they don't lock everything down |
| [21:38:22] | storrgie: | so, the three tuners.. .thats to add three different sources right? (I will have a cableTV source from charter and I also have a large off air antenna) |
| [21:38:31] | storrgie: | charter seems to be very agreeable |
| [21:38:44] | storrgie: | I've seen people on their forums using HDHR devices |
| [21:38:45] | lucas^: | most tuners allow several different sources to be connected |
| [21:38:58] | tgm4883: | lucas^, actually it's conflicting. I'm not sure if it's multirec or not. I thought when I had mine hooked up that it was though |
| [21:39:37] | tgm4883: | storrgie, no, you have a single source on the hdhomerun |
| [21:39:45] | tgm4883: | err, hdhomerun prime |
| [21:39:56] | storrgie: | well it looks like I could use my off air AND my cabletv source |
| [21:39:59] | storrgie: | from their video |
| [21:40:07] | tgm4883: | storrgie, link? |
| [21:40:29] | storrgie: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_e . . . =leaR8JLynbY |
| [21:41:07] | storrgie: | i think thats the video i saw it |
| [21:41:12] | storrgie: | their stuff looks so cheap |
| [21:41:19] | tgm4883: | storrgie, there is only a single coax connection on the back |
| [21:41:24] | storrgie: | ah i see that |
| [21:41:25] | tgm4883: | where would you plug both in? |
| [21:41:29] | storrgie: | so its single coax, triple tuner |
| [21:41:34] | tgm4883: | yes |
| [21:41:35] | storrgie: | I thought it was multiple coax |
| [21:41:53] | storrgie: | so mythv will record for me |
| [21:42:47] | storrgie: | so I would likely need an HDRH and an HDHR Prime |
| [21:42:52] | storrgie: | and that would do both of my sources |
| [21:43:44] | tgm4883: | storrgie, I suppose, buy why use the OTA at all at that point? |
| [21:44:43] | storrgie: | there is some good OTA content |
| [21:45:00] | lucas^: | you'd think cable would offer local stuff |
| [21:45:41] | tgm4883: | storrgie, yea I'm surprised it's not available via your cable |
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| [21:48:52] | lucas^: | any idea why MythTV is suddenly generating recordings which have broken SAP audio streams |
| [21:49:16] | lucas^: | as far as I know MythTV doesn't do anything with MPEG-2 TS DVB, right, it just dumps it to disk |
| [21:49:24] | tgm4883: | lucas^, that is my understanding as well |
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| [22:00:47] | storrgie: | how much resources does mythv need for say 3 simultaneous 1080i recordings? |
| [22:01:51] | [R]: | digital recordings dont take much resources |
| [22:01:57] | [R]: | it just dumps stuff to disk |
| [22:02:03] | [R]: | so your disk io just needsd to be abel to keep up |
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| [23:41:43] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 was it you that was helping me? |
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| [23:52:27] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, yes |
| [23:52:32] | Bray90820: | ok |
| [23:52:52] | Bray90820: | are you free in about 20 minutes to continue with me |
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| [23:53:29] | tgm4883: | what is the current status? |
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| [23:54:02] | Bray90820: | you told me to install something |
| [23:54:40] | Bray90820: | we tried to remove 0.26 and leave 0.25 but apperently 0.25 was removed so you had me reinstall it |
| [23:54:54] | tgm4883: | ok, so you've got 0.25 reinstalled then? |
| [23:55:00] | Bray90820: | i think so |
| [23:55:09] | tgm4883: | and your db is still screwed |
| [23:55:09] | Bray90820: | is there a way to check the current status |
| [23:55:16] | tgm4883: | dpkg -l | grep myth |
| [23:55:24] | Bray90820: | i don't think there is a db at the moment |
| [23:56:06] | Bray90820: | the last terminal code i entered was |
| [23:56:07] | Bray90820: | sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend mythtv-backend mythtv-backend-master |
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| [23:57:06] | tgm4883: | do |
| [23:57:07] | tgm4883: | dpkg -l | grep myth |
| [23:57:37] | Bray90820: | here is that output |
| [23:57:38] | Bray90820: | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5K7AA5LT |
| [23:58:12] | tgm4883: | ok 0.25 is installed |
| [23:58:20] | tgm4883: | so all you should need to do is 2 things |
| [23:58:28] | tgm4883: | 1) Drop the mythconverg database |
| [23:58:43] | tgm4883: | 2) dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database |
| [23:58:49] | tgm4883: | I think that should get you going again |
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