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Phiro:

I don't know why, but I let mythbuntu upgrade it self to 12.10 tonight, and on the first reboot it just hangs about 10 seconds into the Mythbuntu logo. Any ideas, or should I just reinstall?

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kmc_:

Hi all

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kmc_:

I have a master and a slave, each with two tuners. how can i prioritise which tuners, are used by which frontend?

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kmc_:

I keep having to manually switch inputs every time I watch tv.....

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wagnerrp:

you can't

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wagnerrp:

all tuners go into a shared pool

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wagnerrp:

and the priority in that shared pool is the same for all frontends

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wagnerrp:

you cannot prioritize "local" tuners

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kmc_:

thanks mate

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kmc_:

the remote tuners are getting a terrible reception, is there some way to avoid them at this frontend? (until the landlord fixes the antenna)

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wagnerrp:

disable them in mythtv-setup

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kmc_:

hahah darn, i was hoping for a less intrusive methos but hey, im glad i know the deal now :) thanks again

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wagnerrp:

remember that channels are stored against the video source, not the tuner

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wagnerrp:

so it is fairly trivial to re-add tuners

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wagnerrp:

for your current purpose, simply disconnecting the video source from the input on that tuner would be sufficient

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kmc_:

my housemate just pointed something out.... if this frontend will always grab the networked backend's tuners first be default, then it floods the lan here by default..... suddenly i'm more motivated to fix this.....is there any hope?

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wagnerrp:

fix your lan so 15Mbps of video does not flood it

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wagnerrp:

which likely means... stop using wireless

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kmc_:

is that all? two full HD streams is 15?

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wagnerrp:

one stream of broadcast ATSC content averages around 15Mbps

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kmc_:

mate youre a legend, every question you just answreed, saved me an hour of googling, i swear. thanks.

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kmc_:

(okay maybe im exaggerating but it'a been a long trial to get it working!)

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neufeld:

kmc_: While I have plans to wire my house for ethernet, as a stopgap I use a powerline network. I pair of D-Link DHP-500AV units, which for my wiring tops out at about 8.5 MB/sec. No way would I have tried to run the HDHomerun3 ATSC tuner over the wireless network, which had a peak reliable throughput from attic to basement of no more than 350 kB/sec (wildly varying, between 350 kB/sec and 1.2 MB/sec, but you

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neufeld:

couldn't count on anything above the lower limit).

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wizbit:

wouldnt it be cool if you could set something to record from the terminal

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wagnerrp:

something like... from MythTV import Record, MythDB; guide = MythDB().searchGuide(...).next(); Record.fromGuide(guide);

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wagnerrp:

some programming languages have interactive terminals too

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: like that but more user friendly

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wizbit:

ncurses version of the guide

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wizbit:

hit space to record

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wagnerrp:

for those times when all you have access to is a dumb vt100 terminal?

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: like now

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RobertLaptop:

Does anyone know if http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py works with .26?

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wagnerrp:

it should

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RobertLaptop:

wagnerrp, If it isn't will it just error out or can it wipe out all my video?

[16:51:18]

jarle:

If I remove the --logpath argument from mythtv-backend, this will turn off ALL filelogging, correct?

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RobertLaptop:

wagnerrp, It looks like it doesn't work under .26

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Vollstrecker:

Hey guys, how can I reset all tv-card settings. I still don't get any channels, but now I get reports about card number 7, so I want to clear all tv-card information from db, without losing the other things, like metadata and so on.

[17:27:19]

Vollstrecker:

MySQL isn't a problem, I just need to know what tables to clear.

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lucas^:

hey wagnerrp, you probably knew this already, but mythtv-python 0.26 won't load in MS Windows

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lucas^:

I made some minor fixes myself, but will have to reimplement _PollingThread in utility/dequebuffer.py in such a way that only uses select() before I can submit anything

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RobertLaptop:

Actually it may be working just very slowly.

[17:34:48]

drussell_:

RobertLaptop: find_orphans.py works here to LIST the found items, but won't delete anything when asked... or at least I haven't been able to get it to work on 0.26 but I haven't tried to figure out why yet...

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RobertLaptop:

drussell_, It seems to be deleting the items right now but I have had stuff reappear after it looks like it was deleted.

[17:38:25]

drussell_:

RobertLaptop: Yes, that's my experience too... You say to delete them (either files from the FS or records from the DB) and it doesn't complain or error but doesn't actually remove anything... When the list comes back up after the re-scan, everything is still there...

[17:42:13]

drussell_:

Vollstrecker: In mythtv-setup -> Capture Cards -> Delete All Capture Cards will clear all capture cards and their input source links to the input groups and channels... When you add a new one it will start numbering again with the cleared table...

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RobertLaptop:

drussell_, But it looks like it is batch processing the delete. So they are running but very slowly in the background.

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drussell_:

RobertLaptop: Not sure... Like I said, I've observed the behavior but have not had time to look into what's actually/not happening at all...

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drussell_:

RobertLaptop: In my quick cursory check, I never got it to delete anything... YMMV, though :-)

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Vollstrecker:

OK, deleted all, added new dvb-c card (Phillips TDA10023), connected to new source with eit-only and western-europe frequencies, started new scan with default options from channels.conf. Lets hope the best.

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Vollstrecker:

91 new unique dvb-chans found -> insert all, 2 new unique SCTE channs found -> insert all, 23 new unique MPEG channs found -> insert all, 92 unused transponders found -> delete all, clicked on done, and startchan for livetv still asks me to add channels to the video source. What am I doing wrong?

[18:09:50]

Oleg_:

wagnerrp, could you please tell me how to get a backtrace of the crashed mythtv?

[18:09:59]

Oleg_:

it crashes when I change channels

[18:10:06]

Oleg_:

so, how can I get a backtrace of it?

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Oleg_:

folks!

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Oleg_:

shery, u there?

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Oleg_:

sphery, u there?

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Vollstrecker:

Channellist editor shows no channs, too.

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Oleg_:

can someone here help me please?

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Vollstrecker:

On exit it reports about dvbinput 8 and dvbinput 9 are on a wrong starting channel, but I' just added one card.

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louisdk:

My mythtv backend says that it can't create "/var/lib/mythtv//.test". I don't understand why. The directory is owned by mythtv:mythtv and the user exists.

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louisdk:

Fixed. The root directory was owned by root.

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RobertLaptop:

Question is there a replacement for myth.rebuilddatabase.pl for .26?

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sphery:

RobertLaptop: user-provided (i.e. not-recorded-by-this-MythTV-instance-to-this-MythTV-database) video is meant to be put into Video Library, now

[19:10:40]

sphery:

if you're archiving shows, moving them to Video Library (formerly MythVideo) makes sense, anyway, since it's a much better UI for managing large collections of video

[19:10:51]

RobertLaptop:

It is Video recorded by myth who database data is missing.

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sphery:

if you're not archiving, you can either watch from Video Library and delete and then switch to Watch Recordings when you catch up

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sphery:

or you can move new episodes to Video Library as you record more to keep them together

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RobertLaptop:

So you are saying I should move this to mythvideo and just watch them from there.

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sphery:

yes

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sphery:

we don't support munging fake (or prior-to-current-database or deleted-from-current-database) records into the recordings section of MythTV

[19:12:55]

sphery:

Watch Recordings is meant to be where things appear when recorded, and are left there for a short term until you either delete them or move them to Video Library (if you're archiving them)

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sphery:

in the future, it will be even easier to move them--and could be done automatically

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sphery:

for now, there's a python script that will help to move stuff

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sphery:

or you can just rename and move and let Video Library look up the metadata for you

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RobertLaptop:

What python script?

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py (and I'm not sure of it's current state--whether it's good with versions past 0.24)

[19:16:04]

sphery:

louisdk: "root directory was owned by root"? you mean / was owned by root? it should be

[19:16:41]

sphery:

louisdk: and the parent directory ownership makes no difference in whether MythTV can write to /var/lib/mythtv --with the exception that the user running mythtv must have execute permissions on the parent dirs

[19:17:02]

sphery:

Oleg_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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RobertLaptop:

Screw it. There are only about 30 records.

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sphery:

RobertLaptop: btw, that script is only useful for moving a recording from Watch Recordings to Video Library--if you don't have a Watch Recordings record, then it's not useful

[19:18:45]

sphery:

you'd just need to change the name of the video http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing , then let Video Library look up metadata

[19:19:49]

sphery:

RobertLaptop: also, might want to see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/519758#519758

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sphery:

for how to properly configure Video Library to get a useful UI

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Oleg_:

sphery, that link doesn't explain how to write a backtrace to that file when mythfrontend is running

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Oleg_:

sphery, if I type "gdb751 mythfrontend -x gdbcommands", then I simply can't access the ui of mythfrontend

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Oleg_:

I can't change channels or do anything else if I type that command

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Oleg_:

sphery, so, what did I do wrong?

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sphery:

Oleg_: if it's crashing, use the instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Running_gdb_directly and, as explained at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Executin . . . on_under_gdb , it will automatically create a backtrace when mythfrontend crashes

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wagnerrp:

lucas^: to be honest, i'm more concerned about how one would even install the bindings on windows

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wagnerrp:

that's the first step, which i doubt works cleanly

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wagnerrp:

i'm sure there's more pressing work to be done dealing with the database config file

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Oleg_:

sphery, this is the output I get when I type "gdb751 mythfrontend -x gdbcommands": http://pastebin.com/PNYVDudb

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wagnerrp:

751?

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Oleg_:

yes

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wagnerrp:

why 751?

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sphery:

Oleg_: you need to edit the set args line to provide the appropriate arguments for mythfrontend

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louisdk:

spherry: I meant /var/lib/mythtv not "/".

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sphery:

WARNING: -l has been removed as of MythTV 0.25

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, because this is what the ports collection contains

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sphery:

fix that

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wagnerrp:

mythbe# which gdb

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wagnerrp:

/usr/bin/gdb

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wagnerrp:

mythbe# which gdb751

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wagnerrp:

gdb751: Command not found.

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wagnerrp:

not mine...

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sphery:

(i.e. the --logpath in the example gdb script is correct... -l is incorrect)

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neufeld:

wagnerrp: it's the version number

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ikevin:

hi

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Oleg_:

gdb751 is available in ports

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure gdb comes preinstalled on freebsd... considering it's in /usr instead of /usr/local

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sphery:

Oleg_: also, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Attachin . . . ning_process for the basics of using gdb

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sphery:

Oleg_: see http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/gdb/gdb.html for the rest

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sphery:

(meaning I have to get going)

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Oleg_:

ok, thanks

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ikevin:

i've a small "problem", while watching anything with myth, it seem myth don't disable the screensaver

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sphery:

and just before I leave

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sphery:

ikevin: MythTV supports "sane" screensaver applications--that means xscreensaver

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ikevin:

do i need to install or configure anything to disable screensaver while watching video or tv?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv disables the standard X screensaver mechanism

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wagnerrp:

meaning you must run a screensaver that complies with standard Xorg procedures

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sphery:

KDE screensaver and GNOME screensaver aren't sane in that they require every single application to write custom dbus code to support their custom command set

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sphery:

so we don't support them

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sphery:

KDE screensaver used to take cues from the PM state (which we do modify), but no longer does--so it's now unsupported

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ikevin:

i run gnome screensaver

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ikevin:

i need to replace it by xscreensaver?

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neufeld:

ikevin: disable the window-manager screen saver, and use DPMS settings instead. MythTV will talk with DPMS.

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sphery:

and gnome screensaver actively broke and refused to fix the mechanism we were using to disable gnome screensaver, so they were even worse

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sphery:

but, hey, why shouldn't GNOME and KDE design their screensaver interaction like Windows-based programs do--after all, it's not like you run them on *nix...

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sphery:

right, we support DPMS or xscreensaver

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sphery:

those are your choices

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sphery:

or you can hack up a script called xscreensaver-command that works with our poke mechanism to disable your screensaver (but it's not really worth it)

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ikevin:

it's just a screensaver, xscreensaver work fine

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sphery:

and if xdg-screensaver would put my other patch in (the KDE one--which was the basis for the GNOME one they already accepted), I'd put back support for using xdg-screensaver to control the screensaver of your choosing

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sphery:

(as you may have guessed I have strong feelings on this topic... but I'm glad you're not strongly attached to GNOME screensaver :)

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Oleg_:

okay, here is the backtrace of the crash: http://pastebin.com/Utgeztra

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sphery:

Oleg_: we likely need other thread information

[19:48:06]

ikevin:

lol, not, i use it because it's installed by mint's installer

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sphery:

that's the thread apply all bt full

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Oleg_:

I don't understand what I should do

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sphery:

I'll ping xdg-utils guys, again, and see if there's a reason they haven't accepted the kde patch (I think it's just because they don't know it's there--lost in the tracker, something I totally understand)

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sphery:

then we can do proper screensaver control

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sphery:

Oleg_: thread apply all bt full

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ikevin:

i've made a small search, ubuntu use an external script to disable gnome screensaver

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Oleg_:

but I have that line in gdbcommands file

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Oleg_:

so, what should I do?

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Oleg_:

line 9 says: thread apply all bt full

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Oleg_:

and as you can see in the info I pasted:

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Oleg_:

gdbcommands:9: Error in sourced command file:

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Oleg_:

Cannot access memory at address 0x7ffffeff8000

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louisdk:

I've just restored a MythTV backup and how when I try to access http://localhost/mythweb/tv I get a white page with this text: http://pastebin.com/h34xyVL8 – I've tried to reinstall mythweb but that didn't help.

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Oleg_:

sphery, you see what I am saying?

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wagnerrp:

you see that from mythweb?

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louisdk:

wagnerrp: Yes: Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/UEdRVYu.png

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wagnerrp:

something seriously wrong there

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wagnerrp:

as far as i know, mythweb doesn't even pull that query from the backend http server

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Oleg_:

looks like sphery is way, but can you help me please, wagnerrp?

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Oleg_:

as I said, thread apply all bt full produces this output:

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Oleg_:

gdbcommands:9: Error in sourced command file:

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Oleg_:

Cannot access memory at address 0x7ffffeff8000

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wagnerrp:

my best guess, you're trying to run a copy of GDB that does not match the compiler used to build MythTV

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wagnerrp:

try just using /usr/bin/gdb

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Oleg_:

what do you mean? gdb and mythtv are supposed to be built by the same compiler?

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wagnerrp:

you've installed some weird 'gdb751' from the ports tree

[20:02:33]

wagnerrp:

i'm suggesting you use the gdb that came packaged with the freebsd base system

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Oleg_:

ok

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Oleg_:

but gdb751 simply means it's gdb 7.5.1

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wagnerrp:

which may or may not be compatible with the gcc used to build mythtv

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Oleg_:

and the base system contains gdb 6.1.1

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Oleg_:

I built mythtv with gcc48

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wagnerrp:

don't ask me, i'm just making guesses

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Oleg_:

why would the newer gdb be less compatible with gcc48 than the old gdb?

[20:04:47]

Oleg_:

older gdb

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Oleg_:

okay, gdb from the base system produces this output when the segfault occurs:

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Oleg_:

http://pastebin.com/JTjAinhi

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neufeld:

std::bad_alloc is a memory-exhaustion thing, isn't it?

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lucas^:

wagnerrp: I didn't have too much trouble installing the bindings on Windows tbh. I was able to just obtain them from the mythtv-0.26 source and run setup.py install with Python 2.7.4 32-bit straight from python.org

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Oleg_:

folks! do you still have no clue what causes this segfault?

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lucas^:

mysql-python and lxml binary installers are available floating around the interwebs. there's this guy who has builds for just about everything

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lucas^:

couldn't get oursql to install cleanly though

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louisdk:

Can anyone tell me where mythtv-setup get its channel icons from?

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wagnerrp:

louisdk: lyngsat

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, can this cause a segmentation fault: 2013-01–25 16:13:13.947443 E XMLParseBase: Location: '/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/Terra/osd.xml' @ 579 column: 31

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Oleg_:

Error: tag mismatch ?

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wagnerrp:

no, just means the XML parser rejected some invalid XML file

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wagnerrp:

of course that is troubling that one of the theme files is invalid

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, I showed you the backtrace

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Oleg_:

and you still don't know what causes that segfault?

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Oleg_:

http://pastebin.com/JTjAinhi

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wagnerrp:

didn't see the link, haven't yet looked... reading through currently

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wagnerrp:

was this an exception that occurred when mythfrontend was closing?

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Oleg_:

no, when I try to change a channel, this exception occurs

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Oleg_:

even though I can't watch the channel I wanna tune to, it's still recording

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Oleg_:

so, what's going on?

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Oleg_:

what causes this problem?

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wagnerrp:

it's awful tough to tell when you stripped all your binaries

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wagnerrp:

the only thing that isn't stripped is the ZMQ logging bits

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wagnerrp:

likely means there's something not being properly passed into the external makefile on build

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Oleg_:

external makefile?

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Oleg_:

I built mythtv with these commands:

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Oleg_:

./configure --disable-dvb --disable-v4l2 --cc=gcc48 --cxx=g++48 --profile=debug

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wagnerrp:

http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mythtv/external/zeromq

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Oleg_:

then I typed gmake

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Oleg_:

and I installed it with gmake install

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wagnerrp:

it's in an external folder, outside the normal build system

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wagnerrp:

mythtv just calls ZMQ's build scripts, rather than running internally in mythtv's own build scripts

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wagnerrp:

you want "--compile-type=debug"

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Oleg_:

yes, I meant to say --compile-type=debug

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Oleg_:

that's the option I passed to the configure script

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wagnerrp:

well whatever the cause, everything but the ZMQ libraries in that backtrace was stripped

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, u're saying that output from gdb751 and output from gdb that is in the base system both show that everything but the ZMQ binaries were stripped?

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wagnerrp:

yes, meaning /usr/bin/strip was run prior to install, to strip the debugging tags out of the binaries

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wagnerrp:

how large are you libraries?

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wagnerrp:

for example, an unstripped libmythtv should be around 150MB

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wagnerrp:

where as a stripped one is only around 13MB

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Oleg_:

du -cah /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.26.so.0.26.0

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Oleg_:

56M /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.26.so.0.26.0

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Oleg_:

56M total

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wagnerrp:

that's not a size i was expecting

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neufeld:

wagnerrp: by comparison, my debug-built libmythtv-0.25, unstripped, is 52MB

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neufeld:

That's on 64-bit

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, what about this output: http://pastebin.com/tDYTJ7Ax ?

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, it's also stripped from debugging symbols?

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disputin:

so how does mythtv choose the recording resolution? I have a pc-5500 hooked up to an antenna, and most of the time it seems to record the 1080 channels in 480. I can turn on livetv and watch them in 1080, but very rarely it records in 1080. Most of the time its 480.

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lucas^:

as far as I know, MythTV just spits out whatever the capture card is giving it directly to disk

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lucas^:

usually in MPEG-2 TS format for most ATSC cable

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