| Wednesday, January 23rd, 2013, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:07] | wagnerrp: | once you decide where, then worry about making your permissions correct |
| [00:00:12] | runelind: | to troubleshoot mythfrontend issues in mythbuntu I want to look at /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log? |
| [00:00:24] | runelind: | I keep getting messages saying Video frame buffering failed too many times. |
| [00:00:30] | runelind: | on both SD and HD channels |
| [00:00:30] | justinh: | oh man, I hate that web 'developer' guy my sister inlaw's friend got to do her site. No FTP, the directory perms are all half-cocked.. having to resort to crazy stunts like http://pastebin.com/xZ9aNpy6 to get the files off. gah |
| [00:02:09] | runelind: | I have an NVidia Ion system and I have playback set to VDPau Slim |
| [00:02:39] | mark2013: | There is a folder named: mythtv in / it's owner is mythtv and group mythtv and it and only it can read/write |
| [00:03:23] | sphery: | runelind: start with the frontend logs, but also look at backend logs--it could be a problem streaming (or recording) the video, too |
| [00:03:36] | sphery: | runelind: or could be a problem with Storage Groups |
| [00:03:42] | wagnerrp: | it's not standard procedure for users to make new directories in /, but that's fine |
| [00:03:59] | wagnerrp: | mount your external drive there, make a subdirectory for recordings, and tell mythtv to record to that subdirectory |
| [00:04:05] | sphery: | runelind: that said, I think that's a very common result for people attempting to use Live TV in 0.26 (especially with certain card types--analog ones, IIRC) |
| [00:04:47] | sphery: | and /mythtv is *much* better than opening up permissions on the /home/mark directory :) |
| [00:04:53] | mark2013: | do I delete that? Move it to /home/mark/myth-tv it permissions are: owner & group: mark & read write permit for both |
| [00:05:08] | sphery: | don't let mythtv into /home/mark |
| [00:06:21] | sphery: | have your system mount the recordings file system somewhere (such as /mythtv--or, better, /srv/mythtv or whatever), then put a directory underneath it, such as /mythtv/recordings, then put /mythtv/recordings into the Default Storage Group directory list using mythtv-setup |
| [00:06:36] | runelind: | sphery: I have a HDHRP |
| [00:06:48] | sphery: | don't put the mount point directory name in the Storage Group directory list |
| [00:06:58] | runelind: | mythfrontend.log really has nothing of interest. |
| [00:07:02] | sphery: | runelind: have you tried an actual recording, versus Live TV |
| [00:07:06] | mark2013: | what a mess for me. I'm not skilled at that. I have 200 gig available on internal (main) drive and will set recordings to there. But I would think to keep such out of / (root) and put recordings in /home/mark/myth-tv |
| [00:07:10] | runelind: | actual recordings seem to be ok. |
| [00:07:21] | sphery: | Live TV hasn't ever gotten much attention--because no one who uses it is willing to work on it |
| [00:07:40] | runelind: | :( |
| [00:07:41] | sphery: | (which means a lot of people are voting against its worth) |
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| [00:08:10] | runelind: | that's like 50% of the purpose of MythTV! |
| [00:08:43] | sphery: | mark2013: putting data into a specific user's home directory means that data can only be accessed by that user--and since mythtv applications are running as a different user, you can't put mythtv data in /home/mark |
| [00:08:44] | wagnerrp: | well the fundamental purpose of mythtv is to do what the developers want it to do |
| [00:08:45] | FLeiXiuS`: | I love live tv with my hdhrp |
| [00:09:03] | wagnerrp: | and few of the developers are actually wanting to use it for live tv |
| [00:09:03] | ** sphery doesn't want his system to do Live TV ** | |
| [00:09:34] | sphery: | I actually scheduled recordings for both football games this weekend, then watched them as they recorded |
| [00:09:37] | wagnerrp: | the takeaway is that if you want livetv support on mythtv improved, become a developer and start posting patches to trac |
| [00:10:06] | sphery: | which was nice because I didn't start watching the first until about 10 minutes after it started, but I was able to rewind to catch the first score |
| [00:10:08] | FLeiXiuS`: | Im more impressed we're still using trac ;-) |
| [00:10:22] | wagnerrp: | the userbase doesn't matter, as the userbase typically does not contribute to free software |
| [00:10:25] | FLeiXiuS`: | "we're" being the community of users |
| [00:10:37] | mark2013: | So they recordings folder must be somewhere OK I think I have it. Yet, can I move /mythtv to /usr/mythtv |
| [00:11:02] | mark2013: | or does / have to have a folder named: mythtv? |
| [00:11:12] | sphery: | FLeiXiuS`: got something better than trac? it's become too unwieldy with our 11K tickets and users pasting all sorts of garbage into comments and making search unusable |
| [00:11:14] | wagnerrp: | nothing has to have anything |
| [00:11:28] | wagnerrp: | all that matters is that mythtv have write access to where ever you tell it to record |
| [00:11:59] | FLeiXiuS`: | sphery, I've enjoyed redmine. Best migration I have ever done from Trac. Aside from subversion to git. |
| [00:12:02] | sphery: | mark2013: typically--to be FHS-compliant--you would have a directory /srv/mythtv , which stores "server data" |
| [00:12:07] | wagnerrp: | where ever you mount that disk, make sure the mythtv user has execute rights on every directory leading down to it, and write rights on the recording directory itself |
| [00:12:18] | sphery: | mark2013: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html# . . . IDEDBYSYSTEM |
| [00:12:29] | ** sphery considers changing the /mnt/store default to /srv/mythtv ** | |
| [00:12:42] | sphery: | or, better, /srv/mythtv/recordings |
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| [00:13:00] | sphery: | hehe, "write rights"... that's hard to say |
| [00:13:09] | FLeiXiuS`: | I've been a big fan of using opt ;) but I have my zfs pool mounted under /data so my recordings there.. |
| [00:13:23] | sphery: | now I know why "perms" gets used a lot |
| [00:13:48] | sphery: | FLeiXiuS`: /opt is typically a location for installation of "optional" programs--not data |
| [00:13:57] | sphery: | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html# . . . WAREPACKAGES |
| [00:14:01] | sphery: | it's akin to /usr/local |
| [00:14:07] | wagnerrp: | it's being used as the general dumping pot on alcor |
| [00:14:11] | sphery: | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html# . . . CALHIERARCHY |
| [00:14:20] | ** sphery is a FHS groupie ** | |
| [00:14:26] | FLeiXiuS`: | sphery, Yeah, but it's available for my taking! |
| [00:14:34] | FLeiXiuS`: | and FHS means nothing to me ;-) |
| [00:14:41] | sphery: | I'll admit it's much better to use /opt than to use /var/lib |
| [00:14:46] | sphery: | yuck! |
| [00:15:05] | wagnerrp: | i always appreciated that freebsd stored packages to /usr/local, and left /usr to the core system |
| [00:15:14] | FLeiXiuS`: | wagnerrp, +1 there. |
| [00:15:25] | drussell_: | Yeah, not sure who thought up THAT monstrosity... (/var/lib) |
| [00:15:30] | wagnerrp: | get yourself into serious trouble? wipe /usr/local/ |
| [00:15:47] | sphery: | yeah, GNU/Linux distros got very sloppy with /usr and /usr/local differentiation--especially when disks got huge |
| [00:16:23] | wagnerrp: | freebsd just seems to remain a lot more strict about things than typical linux |
| [00:16:27] | mark2013: | When I create /usr/mythtv, I must be admin and (at least in sudo Thunar) cannot change owership or read-write permissions |
| [00:16:27] | mark2013: | to group: mythtv or user mythtv |
| [00:16:59] | FLeiXiuS`: | wagnerrp, I have a load of things to add to you're wiki when building Ubuntu thin client images. There's a lot of differences when it comes to the initramfs scripts |
| [00:17:12] | FLeiXiuS`: | That and I decided to chainload gpxe |
| [00:17:21] | drussell_: | Yes, I strongly prefer FreeBSD's strict layout policies... Much cleaner |
| [00:17:26] | FLeiXiuS`: | your * |
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| [00:17:48] | sphery: | mark2013: yeah, you'd have to do something like: sudo mkdir /usr/mythtv && sudo chown mythtv:mythtv /usr/mythtv && sudo chmod 775 /usr/mythtv |
| [00:17:49] | wagnerrp: | FLeiXiuS`: well to start with, ubuntu actually has their own initramfs to start from |
| [00:18:03] | sphery: | mark2013: or: sudo install -d -m775 -o mythtv -g mythtv /usr/mythtv |
| [00:18:29] | wagnerrp: | since gentoo typically doesn't use one unless you're doing something like fbsplash or an encrypted fs, you've got a whole lot more freedom to play |
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| [00:19:06] | wagnerrp: | i need to clean up my iscsi disk detection regexes |
| [00:19:23] | FLeiXiuS`: | wagnerrp, yes. Just go with UUID's makes life much easier. |
| [00:19:54] | mark2013: | Is this good enough: drwxrwxr-x 2 mythtv mythtv 4096 Jan 22 16:18 mythtv ? |
| [00:20:08] | wagnerrp: | UUIDs require those UUIDs actually be supplied to the initramfs somehow |
| [00:20:26] | wagnerrp: | either through the kernel command line, dhcp server, or stored locally |
| [00:20:52] | wagnerrp: | just seems to be one more unnecessary configuration |
| [00:21:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is initramfs just the fs used for an initrd? |
| [00:21:16] | sphery: | or is that something totally different? |
| [00:21:18] | FLeiXiuS`: | wagnerrp, if I'm not mistaken, Ubuntu does that for me natively after mounting the target. |
| [00:21:26] | wagnerrp: | there are some differences between initramfs/initrd, i don't know what they are.... |
| [00:22:01] | sphery: | mark2013: that's good for that directory--and I'm assuming /usr has reasonable permissions (otherwise your system would be basically unusable) |
| [00:22:02] | FLeiXiuS`: | initrd comes before initramfs, — during boot sequence IIRC |
| [00:22:32] | wagnerrp: | i think there's some difference in the mechanism that allows you to stay in the initramfs if you so desired |
| [00:22:39] | sphery: | mark2013: now create a recordings subdirectory and add that to the Default and Live TV Storage Group directory list (and remove the /home/mark directory) |
| [00:22:47] | sphery: | mark2013: sudo install -d -m775 -o mythtv -g mythtv /usr/mythtv/recordings |
| [00:23:17] | sphery: | mark2013: and, really, my recommendation is to just start up mythtv-setup on the master backend, go into Storage Directories, highlight "Live TV", and hit D to delete it |
| [00:23:35] | sphery: | there's seldom a good reason to specify a separate Live TV Storage Group directory list |
| [00:23:39] | FLeiXiuS`: | For as long as I have used myth, I just recently came across the 'move scheduled recording' option in the frontend configurations. |
| [00:23:45] | FLeiXiuS`: | What a pita that always was |
| [00:23:58] | mark2013: | BRB |
| [00:23:59] | sphery: | i.e. Live TV should just use normal Default Storage Group directories to allow for better file system balancing |
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| [00:24:37] | FLeiXiuS`: | sphery, I use separate live TV recording dirs ;-) Very handy when using ZFS quotas to manage when recordings should expire |
| [00:24:56] | sphery: | FLeiXiuS`: "move scheduled recordings" = "Allow Live TV to move scheduled shows"? |
| [00:25:05] | FLeiXiuS`: | sphery, yep |
| [00:25:19] | sphery: | FLeiXiuS`: if so, a) it doesn't really work the way you expect and b) it's gone from future MythTV (but always enabled) |
| [00:25:43] | wagnerrp: | "SSDP ssdp.cpp:330 (ProcessData) – Socket readBlock error 0" |
| [00:25:45] | wagnerrp: | well that's new... |
| [00:26:10] | FLeiXiuS`: | I used it mainly because I hate getting prompted that a recording is about to start and it wants to take over my the tuner I'm currently using. |
| [00:26:23] | FLeiXiuS`: | sphery, ^ |
| [00:26:40] | wagnerrp: | finally hit a code 10 about an hour ago |
| [00:26:49] | wagnerrp: | first time i've seen mythbackend crash in years |
| [00:27:05] | sphery: | FLeiXiuS`: yeah, but it will only work in some situations, where there's no full reschedule required |
| [00:27:18] | sphery: | but most users think that it's some magic that will always work |
| [00:27:52] | FLeiXiuS`: | sphery, I just expect it to offload the recording to an unused tuner and let me continue what I'm doing |
| [00:27:59] | FLeiXiuS`: | Unless, there is no other tuner available |
| [00:28:28] | drussell_: | sphery: It probably should be worded more like allow livetv to ATTEMPT to move scheduled... |
| [00:28:36] | sphery: | yes, but "unless there is no other tuner available" isn't necessarily as simple as most users think |
| [00:29:04] | sphery: | because there may be a tuner available now, but if we move the recording to that tuner, it may prevent a recording that needs to start during that recording, but needs that tuner |
| [00:29:12] | sphery: | i.e. trickle-down effect comes into play |
| [00:29:18] | sphery: | and it won't move when there's trickle down |
| [00:29:24] | sphery: | and then users think "it doesn't work" |
| [00:29:43] | sphery: | but it's doing exactly what it says--it's not possible to move it, even though the user doesn't realize it's not possible |
| [00:30:06] | FLeiXiuS`: | sphery, I have my recordings 'set' in mythweb to use a preferred tuner, say tuner3. Yet it always wants to use my beloved tuner1. |
| [00:30:30] | sphery: | why do you have a preferred tuner specified |
| [00:30:37] | Korny: | well it was stupid idiot user error who broke mythweb |
| [00:30:40] | Korny: | <<--- |
| [00:30:48] | sphery: | you should tell mythtv what order to use tuners for recordings and Live TV with Schedule Order and Live TV Order |
| [00:31:04] | sphery: | and, if you want Live TV to not be interrupted, you should generally use the opposite order for each |
| [00:31:14] | Korny: | now just to figure out how to keep it from being the defaulted website |
| [00:31:15] | sphery: | specifying a preferred input on each recording rule is generally a bad idea |
| [00:31:49] | sphery: | Korny: when it comes to Apache configuration, nearly all of us are classed as stupid idiots :) |
| [00:31:49] | FLeiXiuS`: | sphery, That was my 'attempt' to see if I could solve the problem. |
| [00:32:02] | sphery: | ah, probably want to undo that |
| [00:32:15] | sphery: | use 0.26, and set Schedule Order and Live TV Order appropriately |
| [00:32:16] | FLeiXiuS`: | sphery, Yep, already done. It didnt work anyways ;-) |
| [00:32:20] | sphery: | right |
| [00:32:35] | FLeiXiuS`: | sphery, Is the prioritizing done on the frontend or the back? |
| [00:32:37] | sphery: | it was really meant for something else |
| [00:33:24] | sphery: | i.e. allowing you to "fine tune" selection to work around corner cases where "poring over my schedule, I see that it's possible to fix the conflict I get by changing a recording from 4 hours before to use a different input" |
| [00:33:33] | sphery: | and, yes, that's the only purpose of the preferred input |
| [00:34:42] | mark2013: | deleted LiveTV in Storage and on exit: Unable to create file "/var/lib/mythtv//.test" – directory is not writable? |
| [00:34:43] | FLeiXiuS`: | Understood. I just recently updated to 0.26 on my thin clients after switching to iSCSI root targets |
| [00:34:56] | sphery: | (and for most normal users--users without extremely complex inputs with multiple different channel lists--that corner case shouldn't happen, unless they force it to happen by using evil channel or input priorities) |
| [00:35:32] | sphery: | mark2013: is /var/lib/mythtv listed in Default Storage Group directory list? |
| [00:36:05] | FLeiXiuS`: | And for the moment, my thin clients are virtualized on my ESXi box with a few HDMI cards passed through for HDMI out. |
| [00:36:58] | FLeiXiuS`: | It's my attempt to eliminate the need for networked root file systems and consolidating my resources on one machine. Working quite well atm. |
| [00:37:27] | FLeiXiuS`: | iSCSI is my temp solution for the 3 additional rooms with physical thin hardware |
| [00:38:59] | FLeiXiuS`: | Dinner time! mmm. |
| [00:39:00] | FLeiXiuS`: | brb |
| [00:39:12] | sphery: | good plan |
| [00:39:39] | mark2013: | Which directory is the "Default Storage Group" directory. And I apologize for my stupidity, but I'm getting confused. |
| [00:42:26] | mark2013: | Under Default Storage Groups Directories is: /usr/mythtv/recordings/ and another listing: /var/lib/mythtv UNDER LiveTV Storage Group Directories is /usr/mythtv/recordings |
| [00:43:23] | drussell_: | mark2013: I think you're trying to delete the /var/lib/mythtv one... You probably don't want that |
| [00:44:27] | mark2013: | BRB while I run mythtv-config |
| [00:46:19] | mark2013: | As far as my extremely limited understanding goes: there is in the Default Storage two lines showing path to directory. One is /var/lib/mythtv and the other is /usr/mythtv/recordings |
| [00:47:34] | drussell_: | I think you can just 'D' to delete the one in var when it's highlighted.... |
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| [00:48:08] | mark2013: | drussell_ – I'm not understanding you. I want to KEEP or DELETE /var/lib/mythtv? |
| [00:48:46] | drussell_: | mark2013 Delete that one... It's a MythBuntu default in a silly place... You just want your (good) /usr/mythtv/recordings |
| [00:49:04] | mark2013: | nver mind, text chats got crossed up. I'm deleting /var/lib momentarily BRB |
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| [00:50:18] | mark2013: | OK, both DEFAULT and LIVE TV Storage directories have but one line: /usr/mythtv/recordings |
| [00:50:28] | drussell_: | Much more sane... |
| [00:51:23] | mark2013: | So, if I'm understanding, MythTV cannot let "user" "Watch" live tv until directories are changed? Weird. |
| [00:51:50] | wagnerrp: | it's not weird |
| [00:51:57] | drussell_: | It just has to have somewhere to put the recording file... (To be able to pause, etc. livetv actually records, of course...) |
| [00:52:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cannot let you watch live tv until you give it somewhere to put the livetv recording |
| [00:52:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is a dvr, and as a dvr, it records everything, including things you think are "live" |
| [00:52:43] | wagnerrp: | they're not actually live, they're a recording being played back at a couple second delay |
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| [00:54:40] | mark2013: | Got it. And after a few days of confusion I have TV working. In a few days of playing. If I cannot record and time shift to watch later, I will come back here to this collegial group and chat some more. Who brings the beer? |
| [00:55:53] | Timrit: | can someone help me with playback from different device than backend? i am getting this: http://pastebin.com/q8SKz4KE I can watch recorded content on the remote front end but no live tv. |
| [00:55:55] | Timrit: | i can watch live tv and recorded shows on the backend/frontend |
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| [00:56:29] | Timrit: | that log is from frontend |
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| [01:05:11] | runelind: | an ION board with GigE should be sufficient for playing back LiveTV, right? |
| [01:05:15] | runelind: | recordings work fine. |
| [01:05:21] | runelind: | from a HDHRP |
| [01:05:30] | wagnerrp: | as sufficient as it is for recordings |
| [01:08:20] | runelind: | yeah, just making sure. |
| [01:10:04] | runelind: | I don't see anything in mythfrontend.log when I start getting the framebuffer errors |
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| [01:10:28] | wagnerrp: | define framebuffer errors |
| [01:10:40] | wagnerrp: | because you aren't using a framebuffer, you're using X11 |
| [01:11:02] | runelind: | framebuffer is the wrong term |
| [01:11:59] | runelind: | screen locks up while streaming livetv and then it kicks me back to home screen saying something like waiting for frame buffer failed too many times |
| [01:12:21] | wagnerrp: | home screen? or main menu? |
| [01:12:25] | runelind: | main menu |
| [01:12:26] | runelind: | "Video frame buffering failed too many times. |
| [01:12:28] | runelind: | " |
| [01:12:53] | runelind: | the HDHRP is on the same GigE switch as the frontend |
| [01:12:59] | runelind: | but on a different switch from the backend |
| [01:13:04] | runelind: | but still connected via GigE |
| [01:14:31] | runelind: | seems to be working fine now |
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| [01:26:13] | Bray90820: | apparently it's sporadic when it decides to record something or not here is a link to my log file since it's to big for pastebin https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33402675/log.txt |
| [01:26:46] | Bray90820: | sorry about sending the big log but mythtv doesn't log my backend secretly anymore for soem unknown reason |
| [01:28:26] | wagnerrp: | secretly? |
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| [01:29:47] | runelind: | ssshhh |
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| [02:11:12] | Korny: | well wagnerrp I'm back to where I started, everything working but mythweb lol |
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| [02:19:16] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp i ment correctly |
| [02:19:28] | Bray90820: | no |
| [02:19:38] | Bray90820: | i ment seperetly |
| [02:20:00] | Bray90820: | mythtv doesn't log my backend separately |
| [02:27:45] | ** Korny wishes he could figure out what he is doing wrong with alias redirection ** | |
| [02:38:23] | drussell_: | Korny: Where in your apache config files are you putting the mythweb stuff? |
| [02:40:58] | Korny: | Do I need to put it in apache2.conf? |
| [02:41:44] | Korny: | I've just been enabling the site using a2ensite and disabling it with a2dissite |
| [02:42:02] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp have you gotten chance to look at my logs |
| [02:42:16] | drussell_: | Korny: Well, it needs to go somewhere... Mythweb comes with a sample config file called mythweb.conf that you can copy into apache's Includes directory and the default config usually loads any files that are in that directory... |
| [02:42:32] | Korny: | drussell_, yes I've been using that |
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| [02:42:49] | Korny: | mythweb.conf |
| [02:43:04] | Korny: | I have it in the site enabled directory |
| [02:43:09] | drussell_: | Korny: ok, if it is in Includes, then edit that mythweb.conf and add a line at the top that says: |
| [02:43:12] | Korny: | well a link to it |
| [02:43:40] | drussell_: | Korny: Alias /mythweb <path where it is actually located> |
| [02:44:10] | Korny: | shoudl I just use the /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb ect |
| [02:44:16] | drussell_: | Korny: What directory is mythweb acually physically installed in? (Usually htdocs or local/www or somesuch) |
| [02:44:36] | Korny: | it has a link in /var/www/ |
| [02:44:44] | drussell_: | Korny: wherever it is actually physically locatedon the disk... point it there and restart apache |
| [02:44:55] | Korny: | ok will try, hold on |
| [02:47:01] | drussell_: | Korny: With 'Alias /mythweb /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb' apache will server from /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb when it gets a request for http://hostname/mythweb |
| [02:47:39] | Korny: | Should I be editing mythweb.conf ? |
| [02:47:56] | drussell_: | Korny: serve from... :-) too many arrrr mateys :-) |
| [02:48:12] | drussell_: | Korny: You can add it to the main apache config or for convenievce to mythweb.conf that is being included |
| [02:48:39] | drussell_: | Korny: In the default config any files in Include are slurrrped in as if they were part of the main .conf file |
| [02:49:16] | Korny: | See what I'm getting is I can see the directory |
| [02:49:35] | Korny: | but if I click mythweb.php it doesn't work |
| [02:49:40] | Korny: | says it can't find a file |
| [02:49:42] | drussell_: | Korny: Just makes maintenance easier than having everything in one monster file when it gets complex... For you, it won't really matter... |
| [02:50:05] | drussell_: | Korny: add these two lines too then, perhaps? |
| [02:50:11] | drussell_: | Korny: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| [02:50:22] | drussell_: | Korny: AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
| [02:50:40] | drussell_: | Korny if it's not already defaulting to run the php in your config... |
| [02:50:40] | Korny: | see I know php is working because I'm also running newznab, which is also php based |
| [02:51:29] | drussell_: | Korny: You'd have to check the config... It may be enabled in the <Directory> section for that in another include or the main .conf or whatever... You'd have to read them to find out... |
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| [02:53:43] | wagnerrp: | Bray90820: you still have two incompatible versions of mythtv installed and running |
| [02:53:56] | wagnerrp: | Jan 22 19:02:41 server mythbackend[26449]: C ProcessRequest mainserver.cpp:1259 (HandleVersion) MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 75 but we speak 72! |
| [02:54:34] | drussell_: | Korny: Hmm... maybe it's not actually pulling in your mythweb.conf or something... I think everything for php and the handling of .php index files and such should be in there... Or, should be in your main config or something if other php things work... |
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| [03:06:22] | Korny: | sigh no change I can see the directory listing |
| [03:06:33] | Korny: | but no dice |
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| [03:13:36] | drussell_: | Korny: You did restart apache after adding the AddType lines to the top of mythweb.conf? |
| [03:13:45] | Korny: | yes |
| [03:14:00] | Korny: | The alias redirect is kinda working because I am getting a directory listing |
| [03:14:14] | Korny: | its just not running php |
| [03:15:15] | wagnerrp: | drussell_: it has nothing to do with php, the rewrite engine is not hooking on the mythweb paths as it should |
| [03:15:22] | drussell_: | Korny: I can't think of anything else it could be missing if php works for other things... It should be working... |
| [03:15:54] | drussell_: | Korny: If it was the rewrite rules, the first .php file should still load, though, I think... |
| [03:16:43] | wagnerrp: | the first .php file is named mythweb.php, not index.php |
| [03:17:03] | wagnerrp: | there is no index, it all routes through the rewrite engine |
| [03:17:04] | Korny: | The requested URL /mythweb/root_url was not found on this server. |
| [03:17:29] | Korny: | if I click on mythweb.php |
| [03:17:30] | tonsofpcs: | Korny: 0.26? |
| [03:17:33] | Korny: | yes |
| [03:17:42] | drussell_: | yes, I know, but mythweb.conf should be handling the DirectoryIndexes or whatever, right? |
| [03:17:45] | ** tonsofpcs saw this when he updated 0.25 > 0.26, gave up and reverted ** | |
| [03:17:54] | tonsofpcs: | something about language config and databases not converting |
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| [03:18:12] | Korny: | tonsofpcs, I had it working before, but I needed mythweb not to be the primary webpage |
| [03:18:36] | tonsofpcs: | Korny: what do you mean by not primary? mine is ip/mythweb... |
| [03:19:01] | Korny: | tonsofpcs, if you go to my ip it used to forward to mythweb |
| [03:19:06] | Korny: | now it doesn't |
| [03:19:23] | tonsofpcs: | interesting |
| [03:19:24] | wagnerrp: | that's not the default behavior |
| [03:19:30] | tonsofpcs: | ^^ |
| [03:19:35] | drussell_: | tonsofpcs That's his problem... Doesn't want to be the only thing on the server but using the alias breaks it for some reason... |
| [03:19:35] | wagnerrp: | the default behavior is for mythweb to be on the /mythweb subdirectory |
| [03:19:57] | wagnerrp: | sounds like your distro did something funky to force it as the only installed webapp |
| [03:20:04] | tonsofpcs: | drussell_: what alias? /mythweb is proper |
| [03:20:08] | Korny: | mythbuntu |
| [03:20:24] | tonsofpcs: | I'm on mythbuntu .04... |
| [03:20:32] | wagnerrp: | 10? 12? |
| [03:20:45] | Korny: | ideally then wagnerrp if I were to completely remove mythweb using synaptic 12.04 |
| [03:20:47] | drussell_: | Korny: Is this Mythbuntu? I thought it asked when you install mythweb to make it an alias (like it should be, as tonsofpcs said) or the only application |
| [03:21:07] | Korny: | drussell_, it does |
| [03:21:13] | tonsofpcs: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Dec 18 20:05 mythweb -> /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb |
| [03:21:17] | tonsofpcs: | that's what's in /var/www here |
| [03:21:36] | tonsofpcs: | (and an index.html that I'm sure says "It woorks!") |
| [03:22:08] | Korny: | ok mythweb is COMPLETELY removed from my machine |
| [03:22:27] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: 12.04.1 |
| [03:22:39] | Korny: | going to install using apt-get |
| [03:22:55] | tonsofpcs: | from where? is there actually a mythbuntu with 0.26 now? |
| [03:23:06] | Korny: | yes |
| [03:23:07] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp as far as i can tell i only have 0.25 installed |
| [03:23:11] | wagnerrp: | sure, just enable the mythbuntu ppas |
| [03:23:13] | Korny: | just need to change your repository |
| [03:23:29] | wagnerrp: | Bray90820: something is trying to access your backend using the 0.26 protocol number |
| [03:23:45] | Bray90820: | what was the date of that |
| [03:24:05] | Korny: | ok "would you like to password protect" I answer no |
| [03:24:06] | wagnerrp: | i quoted it, 7:02PM tonight |
| [03:24:20] | wagnerrp: | it was near the very end of the file |
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| [03:24:45] | Bray90820: | 7:02 that was when a recording failed |
| [03:24:46] | Korny: | Will you be using this webserver exclusively with mythweb I answer no |
| [03:25:07] | Korny: | both are correct answers I'm assuming for what i'm doing :/ |
| [03:25:47] | Korny: | and it broke me Forbidden |
| [03:25:47] | Korny: | You don't have permission to access /mythweb/ on this server. |
| [03:27:09] | Korny: | And now I'm broken again lol |
| [03:28:31] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp just ping me if you need to get ahold of me |
| [03:28:36] | ** Bray90820 is away ** | |
| [03:30:52] | Korny: | The interesting thing is phpmyadmin still works lol |
| [03:31:13] | Korny: | but newznab and mythweb are both toast now |
| [03:31:38] | drussell_: | Korny: I think on FreeBSD I had to add an 'allow from all' in the Directory part for the data dir or something... I'll pastebin my config file in a moment, I know it works and that was a raw source install of everything, no silly MythBuntu... |
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| [03:39:21] | Korny: | I'm still trying to figure out where the forward to mythweb is coming from |
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| [03:45:24] | drussell_: | Korny: Not sure off the top of my head on Mythbuntu... Would have to remote login to one to poke around, don't have any here with mythweb installed... Try this config file, just to see if it works: http://pastebin.com/2dNZQGxS |
| [03:45:51] | Korny: | I just killed apache and going to start over lol :) |
| [03:47:52] | drussell_: | Korny: If you're compiling from source, make sure you have mod_rewrite enabled... Still looks like something wrong in there, I'd guess... very strange... |
| [03:48:06] | Korny: | I'm not |
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| [03:50:18] | drussell_: | Korny: Ok... I'm just so used to always building everything from source... :-) lol |
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| [04:01:57] | Korny: | well now mythweb is workign |
| [04:02:11] | Korny: | but liek always its takign over everything :/ |
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| [04:06:24] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp what should i do about 0.26 |
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| [04:36:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . /pastelog.py |
| [04:36:29] | wagnerrp: | could still probably use some work |
| [04:37:18] | wagnerrp: | i'd like to give the microsecond resolution of the file logs, but the mysql field simply doesn't support that kind of resolution |
| [04:38:27] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, it's set up to post publicly, but unlisted, for one month |
| [04:42:33] | FLeiXiuS`: | nouveau I hate you... |
| [04:42:53] | wagnerrp: | so use the nvidia drivers? |
| [04:43:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, mysql stores millisecond, but, IIRC, the services api limits us to full seconds |
| [04:43:23] | FLeiXiuS`: | I'm trying to blacklist the dang thing... |
| [04:43:30] | sphery: | are you pulling direct from db or using services? |
| [04:43:34] | FLeiXiuS`: | It keeps loading .. some where. |
| [04:43:38] | wagnerrp: | database |
| [04:43:44] | FLeiXiuS`: | I think its within initramfs |
| [04:43:44] | sphery: | probably more useful that way |
| [04:43:51] | wagnerrp: | it does give milliseconds? |
| [04:43:53] | sphery: | millisecond should be good enough, though |
| [04:43:57] | FLeiXiuS`: | an indeed it was |
| [04:44:03] | sphery: | it stores milliseconds |
| [04:44:13] | sphery: | standard sql datetime is millisecond resolution |
| [04:44:47] | sphery: | are you pulling as a string? if so, it's probably converting with default format, which only shows seconds? |
| [04:45:41] | tgm4883: | sphery, so it's probably obvious since you gave me the right codes, but I just tested it and using 'single' and 'all' works |
| [04:46:11] | sphery: | tgm4883: thanks for the followup--I hadn't tested anything, so I appreciate getting confirmation that it works |
| [04:46:17] | sphery: | I was just basing it on a quick read of the code |
| [04:46:23] | tgm4883: | yep, works much much better :) |
| [04:46:26] | sphery: | yay |
| [04:46:46] | tgm4883: | although it should probably be documented on the wiki, especially since it's not stored that way in the db |
| [04:46:49] | wagnerrp: | not sure if it's a mysql limitation or a MySQLdb (python module) one, but i'm only getting accurate to the second |
| [04:46:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: 1mo, public, unlisted sounds perfect, btw |
| [04:47:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what about a direct mysql query with format specified |
| [04:47:28] | wagnerrp: | here was a test... http://pastebin.com/dZH14AQZ |
| [04:48:22] | wagnerrp: | also, i think debug logging never hits the database, regardless of the logging level |
| [04:48:38] | sphery: | However, when MySQL stores a value into a column of any temporal data type, it discards any fractional part and does not store it. |
| [04:48:46] | sphery: | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/fractional-seconds.html |
| [04:49:08] | sphery: | that's annoying |
| [04:49:12] | wagnerrp: | so seconds only... |
| [04:49:12] | sphery: | a lot happens in a second |
| [04:49:28] | wagnerrp: | we could have a separate mediumint field |
| [04:49:42] | sphery: | or just turn the whole thing into some int type or even just a string |
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| [04:50:27] | wagnerrp: | does mysql have any sort of arbitrary length int mechanism? |
| [04:50:29] | wagnerrp: | beyond bigint |
| [04:50:59] | sphery: | ttbomk, bigint (or floating point) |
| [04:51:08] | sphery: | no arbitrary precision stuff |
| [04:51:16] | sphery: | though bigint should be fine |
| [04:51:40] | sphery: | and same size as a datetime |
| [04:51:43] | wagnerrp: | well it means we couldn't directly go from a timestamp |
| [04:51:51] | wagnerrp: | since those are already 64-bit |
| [04:52:06] | sphery: | bigint is 64 bit |
| [04:52:22] | wagnerrp: | i mean epoch time |
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| [04:52:30] | wagnerrp: | we couldn't just shift and add |
| [04:52:46] | wagnerrp: | well... i suppose we could, since there's no risk of losing data off the end |
| [04:53:08] | sphery: | epoch time is 32-bit, right? |
| [04:53:09] | sphery: | typically |
| [04:53:13] | sphery: | (until 2038) |
| [04:53:22] | wagnerrp: | 64, for any decently modern system |
| [04:53:36] | sphery: | millisecond resolution, right? |
| [04:53:42] | sphery: | should be plenty for db logs |
| [04:53:46] | wagnerrp: | no, second |
| [04:53:58] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [04:54:36] | sphery: | I'm almost thinking just using string is easiest |
| [04:54:39] | sphery: | as it's really a display thing |
| [04:54:49] | wagnerrp: | a string is hard to sort |
| [04:54:55] | sphery: | though sorting and filtering ... |
| [04:55:21] | sphery: | sorting shouldn't be a problem because of id |
| [04:55:31] | sphery: | except when we rollover |
| [04:55:48] | wagnerrp: | i think that's a bigint field, so no risk of that |
| [04:55:58] | sphery: | no risk of rollover? |
| [04:56:08] | wagnerrp: | bigint unsigned |
| [04:56:35] | sphery: | you haven't seen some of our users' logs--they love to use -v all , so it seems they'd roll over once per day or so ;) |
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| [04:57:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but you're talking about 18E18 |
| [04:57:35] | sphery: | hehe |
| [04:58:02] | wagnerrp: | i'm currently at 9E6 |
| [04:58:20] | sphery: | seems mysql may not rollover autoincrements |
| [04:58:33] | sphery: | ooh, you're 1/3 of the way there... ;) |
| [04:58:53] | wagnerrp: | or you know... a trillionth of the way there |
| [04:59:01] | sphery: | yeah! |
| [04:59:43] | wagnerrp: | i should probably put in file limits and automatic paging |
| [04:59:57] | ** sphery writes a note in dbcheck.cpp to "coalesce log entries and reset autoincrement every billion releases or so" ** | |
| [05:00:41] | wagnerrp: | sounds about right |
| [05:01:29] | sphery: | I may have to set the autoincrement on my logging table so that it will hit max and see what happens |
| [05:01:49] | sphery: | it will be like using a time machine to see what mythtv will be like in billions of years |
| [05:02:55] | sphery: | yeah, I'm thinking that a 64-bit bigint is probably a good idea for better time resolution |
| [05:03:20] | ** wagnerrp pokes Beirdo ** | |
| [05:03:26] | sphery: | or even a couple of ints--one for second resolution and one for just micros |
| [05:03:26] | wagnerrp: | when's the last time you've seen him active? |
| [05:03:31] | sphery: | been a while |
| [05:03:34] | sphery: | I could take care of this |
| [05:03:54] | wagnerrp: | busy at work i guess... crunch before a release |
| [05:03:59] | sphery: | though he's been active much more recently than I, I'm getting to the point of getting back to work on it |
| [05:04:09] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:04:17] | sphery: | they're working him hard |
| [05:04:34] | sphery: | plus I hear he may also be having a real life, too |
| [05:05:10] | sphery: | pretty much the same that happened to me last year |
| [05:08:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qdatetime.html says we have toMSecsSinceEpoch(), which gives millis |
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| [05:08:31] | sphery: | returns a qint64 |
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| [05:08:47] | wagnerrp: | where do we get micros? |
| [05:08:48] | sphery: | and we're now on qt4.7+, right? |
| [05:08:56] | wagnerrp: | 4.8+ on master |
| [05:09:03] | sphery: | ttbomk, qt doesn't support it with qdatetime |
| [05:09:13] | wagnerrp: | 4.8+ went in maybe two months ago |
| [05:09:14] | sphery: | I think beirdo wrote his own code for that |
| [05:09:23] | sphery: | ok, cool |
| [05:09:33] | sphery: | toMSecsSinceEpoch() is 4.7+ |
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| [05:09:47] | wagnerrp: | i remember having to update the buildbot to support it, i was only running 4.7.4 |
| [05:14:25] | sphery: | seems beirdo has a qlonglong for epoch and a uint for usec |
| [05:14:43] | sphery: | could use the same for database |
| [05:17:56] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp what should i do about 0.26 |
| [05:18:07] | wagnerrp: | i don't understand the question |
| [05:18:42] | Bray90820: | you said i had 0.25 and 0.26 installed |
| [05:18:50] | Korny: | Bray90820, upgraded everything to 0.26 |
| [05:18:55] | wagnerrp: | that's what your logs indicate |
| [05:19:05] | Bray90820: | yes |
| [05:19:14] | wagnerrp: | something is trying to speak 0.26's protocol version, and connect to mythbackend |
| [05:19:42] | Bray90820: | and at certain times it tries to use 0.26 and my recordings fale |
| [05:19:55] | Bray90820: | my lonsg indacated that at 7:00 it tried to access 0.26 |
| [05:20:01] | Bray90820: | and that is when a recording failed |
| [05:20:11] | Bray90820: | log |
| [05:20:20] | sphery: | why not just uninstall 0.25 and use the current version? |
| [05:21:35] | sphery: | ever delete something, then think you were in the wrong directory |
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| [05:21:54] | sphery: | just got a scare when I deleted an old .thunderbird, and thought it was a current one |
| [05:22:03] | sphery: | (even though it's IMAP, so who cares) |
| [05:22:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Greetings from FL. ;-) I'm on Vaca in Spring Valley right now. ;-) |
| [05:23:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | er... Spring Hill (woops, 2nd time I did that) |
| [05:23:52] | wagnerrp: | Hill Valley? |
| [05:23:56] | sphery: | hehe, cool |
| [05:24:00] | wagnerrp: | does florida actually have either of those? |
| [05:24:12] | sphery: | it's cold here in FL this week :( |
| [05:24:24] | sphery: | was like 65F when I did my run today |
| [05:24:31] | sphery: | (and cloudy and windy) |
| [05:24:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, sorry, I guess my son and I brought it with us! ;-) (native New Englanders) |
| [05:24:41] | wagnerrp: | that's just downright frigid |
| [05:24:49] | sphery: | take it back! |
| [05:24:58] | sphery: | (to New England) |
| [05:25:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehehe.. We were driving around with the windows down. ;-) |
| [05:25:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, yeah, my parents in IL said they were at 7F today, so I'm guessing it's crazy cold in OH, too |
| [05:25:34] | sphery: | crazy northerners |
| [05:25:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Apparently we got a few inches of snow back home. ;-) |
| [05:26:12] | ** wagnerrp is a southerner ** | |
| [05:26:23] | sphery: | you guys probably plan to go walk on the beach, too, right? it's way too cold for that |
| [05:27:20] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: hehe, it seems there is a Spring Valley, FL, between you (Spring Hill) and Orlando |
| [05:27:32] | sphery: | just off highway 50 |
| [05:27:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehe... Maybe... but A friend of mine got me free passes to Disney (park-hopper passes even), so we're going there all day Thu, maybe Fri too if they're multi-day passes. ;-) |
| [05:27:36] | sphery: | and 27 |
| [05:27:44] | sphery: | nice |
| [05:27:46] | Bray90820: | well before i tried to delete 0.26 and i ended up with a 0.26 error so if i try to delete 0.25 i might endup with a 0.25 error |
| [05:27:50] | sphery: | disney tix are expensive |
| [05:28:05] | sphery: | I have a Universal annual pass because it's much cheaper |
| [05:28:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah, something like $95 for single-park, and $35 more for the park-hopper. ;-) So my buddy saved me about $260!!! |
| [05:29:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: there's a Valley Hill, FL, but seems there's no Hill Valley, FL |
| [05:29:30] | wagnerrp: | hill valley? nothing? booo..... |
| [05:29:34] | sphery: | hehe, that's more than I paid for my annual pass to Universal |
| [05:30:06] | wagnerrp: | i bet there's a hill valley at universal |
| [05:31:10] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs and agrees. ;-) ** | |
| [05:31:35] | wagnerrp: | no, seems it got replaced in 2007 |
| [05:32:00] | ** J-e-f-f-A cries. :-( ** | |
| [05:32:23] | Korny: | Bray90820, how exactly did you *delete* them? |
| [05:33:07] | Bray90820: | i tried to delete 0.26 with mythbuntu control center but even then i was having errors because i coudln't get 0.25 installed |
| [05:33:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so did you celebrate the day Marty arrived? |
| [05:33:25] | Bray90820: | i apparently still had the 0.26 repo installed |
| [05:33:37] | ** Bray90820 is away will be back in 20–30 minutes ** | |
| [05:34:44] | wagnerrp: | why does everyone always ask about marty.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwY5o2fsG7Y |
| [05:35:59] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [06:31:43] | ** Bray90820 is back ** | |
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| [06:32:20] | Bray90820: | so how would i remove 0.26 |
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| [06:33:21] | wagnerrp: | presumably by removing the package that installed it |
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| [06:33:47] | wagnerrp: | i mean something 0.26 process is actively running on your system |
| [06:34:03] | wagnerrp: | you should just be able to look at a process list and see where it is |
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| [06:38:31] | Bray90820: | well i used mythtbuntu control center to install 0.26 and mythbuntu control center says 0.26 is not installed |
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| [06:41:34] | Bray90820: | but it obviously is |
| [06:42:59] | Bray90820: | i can't just do |
| [06:43:00] | Bray90820: | sudo apt-get purge |
| [06:43:10] | Bray90820: | because that will remove 0.25 |
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| [06:44:54] | Bray90820: | so what do i do |
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| [07:01:52] | Bray90820: | i still do know how i should remove 0.26 |
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| [09:41:11] | justinh: | gah. So tired of this at work. The DNS server is giving out duplicate IP addresses |
| [09:41:20] | justinh: | s/DNS/DHCP/ |
| [09:41:22] | justinh: | duh |
| [09:41:29] | justinh: | stupid Windows crap |
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| [09:46:03] | lyricnz: | justinh: just manually allocate something in the range ;) |
| [09:58:51] | justinh: | had to. I've got actual work to do |
| [09:59:19] | justinh: | oh no! It's against company policy. It might result in a DUPLICATE IP ADDRESS :-O |
| [09:59:24] | justinh: | lol |
| [10:03:14] | justinh: | hmmm I think I'm gonna need some kind of jig to keep these optical drives steady while I'm testing them. This is the 2nd disk the drive has ruined by flinging itself across the desk |
| [10:03:32] | justinh: | aha. put a HDD on top |
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| [10:41:07] | lyricnz: | they shake around that much? |
| [10:43:26] | justinh: | centripital forces,I think |
| [10:44:01] | justinh: | going from 0 to 2000RPM in a short time might do it ;-) |
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| [13:00:38] | drussell_: | justinh: 2000 RPM would only be a 4x CD-ROM drive spin speed (1x is about 200–500 RPM, like an audio CD), modern (48/52/60/72x) drives try to spin the disk at upwards of 10,000 RPM... The discs themselves can rarely stand this for long due especially to poor balance and will usually crack along the inner hub in short time under constant use... The basic design simply wasn't designed to spin that fast :-) |
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| [13:16:21] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:16:49] | justinh: | I think we only do writing at up to 4x judging by the time it all takes |
| [13:24:41] | drussell_: | Wasn't sure what you were doing but if it vibrating across the desk, it's probably spinning WAY faster than CDs were originally designed to spin :-) |
| [13:26:48] | justinh: | it was hastily balanced on top of something & was flinging itself off |
| [13:28:24] | drussell_: | Yeah, I tend to end up with drives hanging out the side of cases on cables and such, propped up with whatever might be at hand... LOL |
| [13:29:27] | justinh: | grr this stupid pclzip php lib is doing my head in |
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| [13:34:09] | justinh: | it tries to do everything in memory, which is fine if all the files you've got come in under the PHP memory limit.. but it *should* automatically fall back to making a temporary file – except it doesn't.. so you have to tell it to.. which then fails because the path for the temp dir isn't set |
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| [13:35:21] | drussell_: | Sounds like about as much fun as repeatedly banging your head against a brick wall... |
| [13:35:52] | justinh: | every attempt takes about 6 minutes to fail |
| [13:36:23] | drussell_: | Good times... :-) |
| [13:37:36] | justinh: | ordinarily I'd be able to use PHP zip but you can't always rely on a host having that |
| [13:45:47] | justinh: | OH. NOW I can see it making a temporary file |
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| [13:46:28] | justinh: | now I have define( 'PCLZIP_TEMPORARY_DIR', dirname(__FILE__) . '/'); before I include the script |
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| [13:48:19] | justinh: | man, it'd be way less hassle just to use shell_exec(tar ...) |
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| [13:57:07] | wagnerrp: | XMLTV only accepts perl scripts? |
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| [14:32:56] | justinh: | oh I know.. decrease the PHP memory limit |
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| [15:08:39] | justinh: | nes00sha |
| [15:08:47] | justinh: | whoops! |
| [15:09:03] | wizbit: | justinh: do you wish you got more into python than php? |
| [15:09:30] | ** wagnerrp still prefers php over python for web programming ** | |
| [15:09:39] | justinh: | no, but I wish you'd stop chipping in with your pointless asides |
| [15:10:33] | justinh: | I think I'll stick with my php hack.. this pclzip thing just keeps hitting the memory limit |
| [15:11:06] | justinh: | say your website you want to back up is over 256MB.. you need at least that even when pclzip is using temp files |
| [15:11:45] | justinh: | my own shell_exec stuff is way faster too |
| [15:12:19] | justinh: | does anybody really use python for web programming anyway? |
| [15:12:39] | wagnerrp: | all the time |
| [15:12:45] | justinh: | oh wait we have a guy here who wrote a web thing in python. but then he does everything with python. even wiping his backside |
| [15:12:59] | wagnerrp: | smolt is python, trac is python, github is python... it's all over the place |
| [15:13:10] | justinh: | really? heh I never knew |
| [15:13:39] | wagnerrp: | in terms of the language itself, i prefer python over php |
| [15:14:00] | wagnerrp: | but due to the integration of php in apache, i prefer php for web programming |
| [15:14:07] | justinh: | I just can't get into python |
| [15:14:37] | justinh: | I think my brain is the wrong way around |
| [15:15:18] | wagnerrp: | with python, python itself is typically the web server |
| [15:15:49] | wizbit: | nginx + python go well |
| [15:15:55] | wagnerrp: | which means you've either got to do some real funky stuff with the interpreter, or your whole web server is single threaded |
| [15:16:07] | justinh: | sometimes that can be a plus |
| [15:16:13] | wagnerrp: | as the python interpreter is only ever single threaded |
| [15:16:40] | wizbit: | thats where uwsgi comes in? |
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| [15:21:16] | wagnerrp: | which basically means you've got a pool of spawned processes, running independent interpreters, with a single server handing out requests |
| [15:21:46] | wagnerrp: | adding all sorts of complications to work around limitations of the language, and bring you right back to where you were with apache and prefork |
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| [15:22:28] | wagnerrp: | the apache/prefork/php is just a lot cleaner |
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| [16:06:10] | jarle: | Having a load average of 25+ and 10+ mythlogserver processes running is not "as it should be" I would think..... |
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| [16:09:40] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [16:11:10] | jarle: | wagnerrp: I think you(?) called it a known bug some days ago, don't know if it is reported at the tracker though.. |
| [16:11:30] | wagnerrp: | i'm fairly sure it was fixed a long time ago |
| [16:11:36] | wagnerrp: | i used to see it, i no longer see it |
| [16:12:40] | jarle: | I am running 0.26 fixes as of some weeks ago, just did a new update now, will see if it is still there (once I get through killing the processes) |
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| [16:48:44] | sphery: | so, #11373 ... That's the problem with storing random configuration in files around several hosts in the network--when you change a setting using one host, we can't update the others. |
| [16:48:44] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11373 ** | |
| [16:50:10] | sphery: | and, though he says, "changed the ip address of my masterbackend," the error messages he quotes are for failing to find the DB server |
| [16:50:27] | sphery: | so, the only reasonable solution is to store the DB server IP address in the database, right? |
| [16:51:26] | sphery: | jarle: do you have multiple (competing) mythlogserver processes running? |
| [16:51:38] | sphery: | if so, that's likely due to system configuration |
| [16:52:25] | jarle: | sphery: I had more than ten competing processes running one hour ago (I had a system load of 25!) |
| [16:53:11] | jarle: | sphery:what kind of system configuration? |
| [16:53:15] | wagnerrp: | closed |
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| [16:53:55] | ** wagnerrp awaits angry replies on trac ** | |
| [16:54:00] | sphery: | jarle: don't remember details |
| [16:54:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, you're a braver man than I |
| [16:54:21] | wagnerrp: | "of course it is you dumbass. i'm looking at the ip address in config.xml right here!!!1!1!!!oneone!" |
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| [16:54:45] | wagnerrp: | "locked, user is illiterate" |
| [16:55:10] | sphery: | jarle: often permission issues dealing with the user who runs mythlogserver not being allowed to write to log directories |
| [16:55:16] | sphery: | jarle: are you using file logging or what? |
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| [16:56:07] | jarle: | sphery: yes, running file logging (to logdir) |
| [16:56:21] | sphery: | and who runs all of your mythtv applications? |
| [16:56:25] | sphery: | same user? mythtv? |
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| [16:56:53] | jarle: | sphery: no.... different users.... I'll look into it... |
| [16:57:01] | sphery: | yeah, that's typically the cause |
| [16:57:10] | sphery: | you can switch to --syslog |
| [16:57:25] | sphery: | or you can fix up permissions so that regardless of who runs mythlogserver, it can write to the logdir |
| [16:58:03] | sphery: | also, if you use the change user argument for anything (like mythbackend), might want to not do that--it may or may not have an effect |
| [16:59:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: at least now I have a ticket to reference next time someone says, "Why does MythTV have to store all its settings in the database? They should just go into a properties/config/ini file..." |
| [16:59:19] | sphery: | (with the implied, "So I can edit the values directly with nano!") |
| [17:00:42] | jarle: | sphery: fixing the logdir permissions is the easy way out I guess.... security is not an issue... |
| [17:02:58] | sphery: | jarle: the problem is with current setup, mythlogserver is run by whichever application first needs it when it's not running, and it shuts itself down when not used for a while, so if you use different users to run different apps, you're likely to get files owned by different users (and often using the primary group membership--which disallows others writing to them) |
| [17:05:00] | sphery: | so, you can set umask before starting the mythtv processes and open it up to everyone (0000) or you can do a newgrp to ensure that the process is running in an environment that uses the other (mythtv) group membership |
| [17:05:18] | sphery: | or you can just run everything as mythtv user |
| [17:05:40] | sphery: | I'd be most inclined to do the 3rd (run everything as mythtv) or 2nd (newgrp) option |
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| [17:06:05] | sphery: | and, feel free to document on the wiki (like on the logging page) the newgrp approach |
| [17:06:18] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logging |
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| [17:14:11] | runelind: | what kind of framerate do you guys get when flagging commercials? |
| [17:14:35] | runelind: | looks like I'm getting about 90FPS on my Intel Q8400 |
| [17:14:40] | runelind: | with HD Video |
| [17:14:50] | Seeker`: | what is the CPU usage level set at? |
| [17:14:56] | sphery: | it depends on how it's run and how much CPU usage you've allowed |
| [17:15:01] | Seeker`: | You can change how much CPU the jobs are allowed |
| [17:15:07] | runelind: | I haven't configured CPU usage :-P |
| [17:15:08] | sphery: | you should be using medium, unless you have a severely underpowered system |
| [17:15:14] | sphery: | at which point you should use low |
| [17:15:18] | Seeker`: | I think I got something similar for the default |
| [17:15:25] | Seeker`: | goes up to several hundred fps on 'high' |
| [17:15:47] | runelind: | let me see if I can figure out the settings. |
| [17:15:56] | sphery: | CPU usage in mythtv-setup |
| [17:16:19] | sphery: | Under General Settings, on the Job Queue page |
| [17:16:31] | sphery: | "Job Queue (Backend-Specific)" |
| [17:16:35] | wagnerrp: | "2%/ 249fps" |
| [17:16:41] | wagnerrp: | that's off a 1080i NBC recording |
| [17:17:07] | sphery: | I still think it reports fields per second for interlaced |
| [17:17:20] | sphery: | though I've never actually looked |
| [17:17:23] | sphery: | (at code) |
| [17:18:29] | runelind: | I'm guessing restarting mythbackend while I'm recording is not a good thing (TM) |
| [17:23:19] | runelind: | I found the setting and changed it. |
| [17:23:48] | sphery: | just breaks your recording in 2 and makes a bit of a gap |
| [17:24:04] | sphery: | not a huge problem if you time the gap well--like in a commercial break :) |
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| [17:27:14] | runelind: | I'll just set it up to restart in the middle of the night |
| [17:27:23] | runelind: | it's not a huge deal. |
| [17:28:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: any idea what happens with mythlogserver when you start mythbackend with one set of logging arguments and mythfrontend with a different? Would that cause multiple competing mythlogserver processes? |
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| [17:51:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i believe the logging parameters are contained within the individual log packets, and not statically defined on the command line |
| [17:52:21] | wagnerrp: | the only trouble is with respect to file permissions, if frontend and backend are run as different users |
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| [18:21:37] | mcr-credil: | I have a hauppage PVR350 (http://pastie.org/5838673 ). I bought it years ago, and never got mythtv working (2.4 kernel issues). I would like to try again, but given switch to ATSC, I don't know if this card will work. |
| [18:21:58] | mcr-credil: | I was looking around the wiki for a list of *recommended* cards. |
| [18:21:59] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to record? |
| [18:24:02] | mcr-credil: | I want to record over the air ATSC (in Canada, in case that matters) |
| [18:24:17] | wagnerrp: | then yes, a PVR-350 will not work |
| [18:24:33] | wagnerrp: | what other hardware are you trying to use? specifically CPU and graphics card |
| [18:25:18] | mcr-credil: | http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345012 (HomeRunHD) is what I'll get then, I think. |
| [18:25:45] | wagnerrp: | well hold on a minute, just changing tuner cards may not be sufficient |
| [18:25:52] | wagnerrp: | what CPU and graphics are you intending to use? |
| [18:25:53] | mcr-credil: | the machine with the disks that will be the backend is a Phenom II, 3-core... 8GB ram running ubuntu precise. |
| [18:26:13] | wagnerrp: | that's plenty for software decoding. what graphics? |
| [18:26:19] | mcr-credil: | (it's got the PVR350 in it... the case used to hold an Athlon 600, back 8 years ago...) |
| [18:27:00] | wagnerrp: | if you were planning to continue using the output on the PVR350, mythtv no longer supports the hardware decoder on that card, and that hardware decoder is insufficient for HD content anyway |
| [18:27:23] | mcr-credil: | graphics. Hmm. well. It has graphics enough for 7 year old to be addicted to minecraft.... but primarily, that won't be the output device..... |
| [18:27:25] | mcr-credil: | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] |
| [18:27:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: cool, thanks--wondered if that could be a problem |
| [18:27:47] | mcr-credil: | so, I can't use the PVR350 to generate channel-3 encoded video.... |
| [18:28:08] | wagnerrp: | you can use the PVR-350 for analog capture off some set top box, yes |
| [18:28:15] | wagnerrp: | but you cannot use it for video output |
| [18:29:01] | mcr-credil: | computer in question is in basement in my office, as the spare computer and media storage machine. a TV in my office connects to satellite receiver (recently died), and analog coax travels two floors up to bedroom. |
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| [18:29:20] | wagnerrp: | you can try to use that AMD integrated graphics, but ATI has a poor track record for linux drivers |
| [18:29:59] | mcr-credil: | so in our bedroom we can watch whatever is on in the basement.... the homerunHD can output video, I think, so perhaps I can just use that to decode ATSC and put out NTSC channel -3 to bedroom. |
| [18:30:05] | wagnerrp: | give it a try, but you'll likely find it worth the savings in effort to just pick up a $20-$30 nVidia card, like a GT210 |
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| [18:30:14] | mcr-credil: | might eventually get a boxee box or something once we replace bedroom TV with something HDMI capable. |
| [18:30:14] | wagnerrp: | no, the HDHomeRun is input only |
| [18:30:34] | mcr-credil: | oh, okay. so GT210 for video out. |
| [18:30:58] | wagnerrp: | as for running minecraft on that, minecraft is technically not hardware accelerated. all graphics are rendered on the CPU, so it would run on even the most basic X11 outputs. |
| [18:31:43] | mcr-credil: | minecraft requires good GL. |
| [18:31:54] | sphery: | and, FWIW, in all my experience with Minecraft in GNU/Linux, you're better off dual booting to Windows |
| [18:32:14] | mcr-credil: | sphery, dual booting my media and /home server means that kid doesn't play minecraft :-) |
| [18:32:24] | tgm4883: | minecraft on xbox 360? |
| [18:32:29] | wagnerrp: | it's my understanding minecraft does not use opengl, it's entirely software rendered |
| [18:32:37] | sphery: | Even though Minecraft is "Java" (which is platform independent), Minecraft is nearly all native code |
| [18:33:15] | mcr-credil: | wagnerrp, it sure doesn't run on my wife's laptop due to lack of (working) GL drivers for her ATI chip. |
| [18:33:28] | tgm4883: | a quick search says minecraft is hardware accellerated |
| [18:33:28] | sphery: | because it uses lwjgl (Lightweight Java GL), which is a Java Native Interface library allowing access to the native OpenGL implementation on the system |
| [18:33:36] | sphery: | yes, lwjgl |
| [18:33:51] | sphery: | Minecraft is not Java, regardless of what language it was coded in |
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| [18:34:13] | mcr-credil: | anyway, are you suggesting the GT210 for output from that system rather than the ATI card for which I have really good GL drivers? because the GT210 has no composite or NTSC output that I can see. |
| [18:34:33] | sphery: | (and, really, coding Minecraft in Java was the worst choice Notch could have made--but, fortunately for him, the game was so good people didn't mind getting super-powerful computers to run it) |
| [18:34:57] | wagnerrp: | "really good" is debatable... you're just lucky enough that they haven't given you any problems |
| [18:35:13] | mcr-credil: | (but, having coded it in Java, it really opened it up for mods and a vibrant ecosystem) |
| [18:35:14] | wagnerrp: | few people find ATI/AMD graphics drivers painless |
| [18:35:26] | sphery: | i.e. lwjgl is extremely inefficient, taking efficient Java (which is only efficient when you stay in the JVM), and adding a middle man (lwjgl), which provides an interface to underlying native OpenGL libs |
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| [18:35:46] | sphery: | much more efficient would have been C or C++ direct access to the GL--like any "real" game out there |
| [18:36:00] | mcr-credil: | enough about minecraft. |
| [18:36:03] | chadmandoo: | hey all i had a question i was wondering if someone gcould answer. Does mythtv allow someone to pull in the channel guide |
| [18:36:05] | sphery: | (that said, I love Minecraft--but I still hate the fact that it was coded with Java :) |
| [18:36:14] | wagnerrp: | nvidia graphics are good and painless. intel graphics are poor (but good enough) and painless. ati on linux tends to be hit or miss... |
| [18:36:28] | wagnerrp: | but like i said, give it a try, see if you can get it working |
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| [18:36:37] | sphery: | mcr-credil: the worst part of the AMD/ATI graphics cards is the lack of a good video renderer |
| [18:36:43] | wagnerrp: | if it looks like it's going to give you trouble, you're probably better off picking up an nvidia card |
| [18:36:48] | tgm4883: | chadmandoo, not sure what you mean |
| [18:37:09] | sphery: | i.e. nvidia is great because you get VDPAU, which provides a great renderer for video (provides the presentation portion, which is very good) |
| [18:37:18] | wagnerrp: | chadmandoo: what country are you in? |
| [18:37:21] | chadmandoo: | tgm4883, well i am looking for a solution that can connect to the directv receiver and pull the channels and shows that are scheduled to play |
| [18:37:22] | chadmandoo: | USA |
| [18:37:31] | chadmandoo: | or any other solution |
| [18:37:33] | mcr-credil: | I'd like a composite and/or ntsc-channel-3 output from my basement. Eventually, 2nd floor can have HDMI and something modern, but for the moment, the coax cable will suffice.... suggestions for how to get something supported? |
| [18:37:34] | tgm4883: | chadmandoo, no |
| [18:37:41] | tgm4883: | well, IDK |
| [18:37:43] | tgm4883: | but probably not |
| [18:37:49] | wagnerrp: | the directtv guide data is encrypted and inaccessible by mythtv |
| [18:37:59] | tgm4883: | schedules direct FTW |
| [18:38:01] | chadmandoo: | tgm4883 gotcha. there is virtually no api out there that you can gather this information |
| [18:38:10] | tgm4883: | chadmandoo, use SD |
| [18:38:15] | chadmandoo: | SD? |
| [18:38:19] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct |
| [18:38:35] | chadmandoo: | wagnerrp, is this a free api ? |
| [18:38:38] | tgm4883: | http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ |
| [18:38:38] | wagnerrp: | it's a service set up by the open source television community to license guide data from Tribune |
| [18:38:44] | sphery: | In the US, legal sources include EIT (the listings data in the stream--which is virtually non-existent in the US, especially outside of US OTA), and Schedules Direct |
| [18:38:47] | chadmandoo: | wagnerrp gotcha |
| [18:38:47] | tgm4883: | chadmandoo, $25/year |
| [18:38:49] | wagnerrp: | the api is freely available, yes |
| [18:38:52] | sphery: | and Schedules Direct is great |
| [18:38:56] | wagnerrp: | access to the service is not |
| [18:39:11] | chadmandoo: | oh ok $25 a month would be worth access |
| [18:39:14] | chadmandoo: | er |
| [18:39:14] | chadmandoo: | a year |
| [18:39:17] | sphery: | and well worth the cost of $25/year |
| [18:39:29] | tgm4883: | and mythtv has support for it |
| [18:39:30] | sphery: | for the same data that TiVo users are paying $15/mo or more to get |
| [18:39:30] | chadmandoo: | do they have a restful api |
| [18:39:54] | sphery: | chadmandoo: if you want to use the data in your own project, use tv_grab_na_dd from XMLTV to get it into a standard format |
| [18:39:58] | wagnerrp: | chadmandoo: you don't need to program your own support or access the API. support is already built into mythtv |
| [18:40:08] | sphery: | if you want to use the data in MythTV, just use MythTV to pull the data directly |
| [18:40:36] | mcr-credil: | schedules direct... AWESOME. I didn't know about that. |
| [18:40:38] | chadmandoo: | sphery – gotcha. so i get a membership to schedules direct and use mythtv to grab the data |
| [18:40:51] | tgm4883: | chadmandoo, exactly |
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| [18:41:02] | tgm4883: | that is how virtually every mythtv user in the US gets guide data |
| [18:41:07] | sphery: | note, though, that to use Schedules Direct data in your own project, you /must/ get approval – http://www.schedulesdirect.org/approvedsoftware (see other at the bottom) |
| [18:41:12] | chadmandoo: | makes sense |
| [18:41:19] | tgm4883: | sphery, hmm |
| [18:41:43] | chadmandoo: | ok i need to read more about mythtv then, hopefully it has a php support |
| [18:42:02] | tgm4883: | sphery, I'm doing mythtv stuff for Ubuntu. I'm leaning on the side of since I'm still using mythtv as a backend, and it's doing all the scheduling and such that I'm ok to use mythtv guide data (which happens to be from SD) |
| [18:42:06] | sphery: | this is to make sure that we don't have a repeat of DataDirect--where some companies started selling things that used the data in violation of terms |
| [18:42:10] | tgm4883: | perhaps an email is in order |
| [18:42:26] | wagnerrp: | chadmandoo: mythtv does not have an integrated PHP interpreter, but i assume that's not what you're asking |
| [18:42:43] | sphery: | tgm4883: that's probably fine, but you might want to talk to them, anyway, just to get the project listed there |
| [18:42:53] | chadmandoo: | wagnerrp i guess as long as i have access to the database i could build the back end in php to grab the data |
| [18:43:15] | sphery: | chadmandoo: "back end"? |
| [18:43:15] | wagnerrp: | chadmandoo: could you elaborate a bit on what you are trying to do here? |
| [18:43:28] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is a DVR, it's intended to record television |
| [18:43:38] | wagnerrp: | there's no reason to run it if you're just trying to pull guide data |
| [18:43:57] | sphery: | MythWeb is a PHP-based web application that allows you to interface with your MythTV DVR, such as to view the EPG and create new recording schedules |
| [18:44:44] | chadmandoo: | gotcha. basically what im trying to do is simply grab channel listing and display it using php/html. so it sounds like i do not need mythtv at all since its purpose is a DVR |
| [18:44:58] | chadmandoo: | channels and what is schedules to paly |
| [18:45:04] | chadmandoo: | so it sounds like i jsut need to use the services |
| [18:45:06] | sphery: | and, yeah, if you just want the data, and are coding your own project, you'll want to contact Schedules Direct (as described under Other in the link I gave above) |
| [18:45:14] | wagnerrp: | chadmandoo: what sphery suggest, look at XMLTV and the tv_grab_na_dd grabber |
| [18:45:15] | chadmandoo: | gotcha |
| [18:45:45] | chadmandoo: | you guys have been very helpful |
| [18:45:49] | sphery: | chadmandoo: see, also, the many apps on that page... things like Freeguide (which is a Java based client for displaying your TV listings) already exist |
| [18:45:50] | wagnerrp: | XMLTV is a generic interface that applications can support, and gain access to any guide data with an available grabber |
| [18:45:57] | sphery: | I'd guess there may even be a few web-based ones |
| [18:46:01] | sphery: | http://www.schedulesdirect.org/approvedsoftware |
| [18:46:33] | chadmandoo: | nice |
| [18:46:37] | chadmandoo: | exactly what im looking for |
| [18:47:34] | chadmandoo: | thanks again! |
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| [18:51:27] | Unguided: | wagnerrp: Can you help me with frontend hardware please? |
| [18:52:02] | wagnerrp: | i can answer specific questions |
| [18:52:03] | Unguided: | or anyone else? |
| [18:52:53] | Unguided: | wagnerrp: I have the nvidia gt430 you recommended. Im looking at this board. Would you be able to tell me good or bad for mythtv please? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128561 |
| [18:53:42] | wagnerrp: | no different from an Atom, in that either way, you're still going to have to use nVidia hardware decoding |
| [18:54:03] | wagnerrp: | at least on the Atoms, you can get an ION with nvidia graphics integrated on the board |
| [18:54:52] | Unguided: | Ok. Thats what I needed to know. Are the ION any good? Never used them myself |
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| [18:55:25] | wagnerrp: | no, atoms are garbage, but their only saving grace is hardware decoding available through the nvidia graphics |
| [18:55:50] | tgm4883: | my frontend is a zotac box with atom and ion graphics |
| [18:56:02] | tgm4883: | I like to think I bought it just to spite wagnerrp :) |
| [18:56:55] | Unguided: | Ok. I dont mind using the nvidia card. I was looking for low power and quiet and small. Yes, but when you really dont know about open source, you tend to listen to the devs when they guide you. hence my screen name |
| [18:59:10] | wagnerrp: | my most recent frontend is an ivy bridge system with intel graphics, idling at around 10W plus another 15W from the inefficient power supply |
| [19:00:35] | Unguided: | Ok. My older hardware is 65W just for the proc. I think they are dual core or core 2 |
| [19:00:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: first come the complaints, and then the humiliation... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11373#comment:2 |
| [19:01:10] | Unguided: | and atx mobo. not exactly easy to find a nice for it |
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| [19:01:22] | wagnerrp: | Unguided: the C2Ds were rated for a 65W TDP, but that doesn't mean they actually ran there |
| [19:02:07] | Unguided: | Are you saying leave well enough alone and use it? |
| [19:02:09] | wagnerrp: | my G2120 is rated for a 55W TDP, and i can't even hit anywhere near that even at full CPU load |
| [19:02:39] | wagnerrp: | no, i'm saying don't make assumptions about power consumption unless you've got a power meter in hand |
| [19:03:00] | Unguided: | gotcha. Would you replace the hardware then? |
| [19:03:53] | wagnerrp: | for a dedicated frontend? if it's small and quiet enough, i would just put it in standby when not in use and call it a day |
| [19:05:01] | Unguided: | alright. Its actually in an atx board. with kids its practically in use all day long |
| [19:07:13] | Unguided: | anything wrong with using a laptop hdd vs desktop? |
| [19:07:49] | wagnerrp: | boot speed is about it, but if you care about boot speed, use an SSD (or use standby) |
| [19:08:16] | Unguided: | not really. once its booted its booted |
| [19:10:03] | Unguided: | I tested out mint 14 cinnamon in vbox. I like it. Will it be a PITA to get myth setup using it? |
| [19:11:23] | wagnerrp: | no idea what that is |
| [19:11:27] | Unguided: | I was asking for my laptop not for a dedicated frontend |
| [19:12:18] | wagnerrp: | i don't understand the question... using your laptop and its internal drive as your backend? |
| [19:13:08] | Unguided: | no. I was gonna setup myth on my laptop as a frontend. just not dedicated to only myth but as a desktop as well |
| [19:13:50] | wagnerrp: | but with all your recordings somewhere else, it doesn't matter what kind of hard drive you have |
| [19:14:45] | Unguided: | linux mint 14 cinnamon. mint is a branch of ubuntu. here is the link. http://www.linuxmint.com/ |
| [19:16:26] | Unguided: | doesnt come preconfigured like mythbuntu |
| [19:17:04] | Unguided: | its designed for people coming from the windows world like me. from what i read. |
| [19:17:45] | sphery: | but you can use the mythbuntu repos to install MythTV on Mint--just need to know enough about how Mint versions map to Ubuntu versions to enable the right repo |
| [19:19:15] | sphery: | Unguided: and if you know something about Mint, please see: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/513508#513508 |
| [19:22:04] | Unguided: | i was able to install myth right from the software center. there were just a lot of packages to install listed. I was just curious |
| [19:23:04] | Unguided: | If i understood what you were saying correctly |
| [19:23:33] | sphery: | yeah, it should be pretty easy to do |
| [19:25:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: your 25W system isn't a frontend, is it? I think that guy is saying "is ivy bridge igp support good enough for a mythfrontend"? |
| [19:25:28] | wagnerrp: | yes, that's my main frontend |
| [19:25:36] | sphery: | ohh, nice |
| [19:25:41] | wagnerrp: | software decoding, opengl |
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| [19:36:23] | Unguided: | wagnerrp: may I ask why you are software decoding? |
| [19:36:33] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [19:37:50] | wizbit: | what is the difference between hardware and software, isnt hardware just software built into a chip? |
| [19:37:52] | wagnerrp: | software decoding would either require a more expensive iN chip (the Pentiums have it disabled) and use of experimental VAAPI support, or the a larger case and more power to handle an nVidia card and VDPAU |
| [19:38:15] | wagnerrp: | built in, meaning hardwired, yes |
| [19:38:46] | wagnerrp: | all the chip is capable of doing is pre-defined calculations useful for video decoding |
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| [19:40:10] | wagnerrp: | it means you don't waste an order of magnitude more transistors on unnecessary things like programability and instruction decoding |
| [19:41:07] | wagnerrp: | Unguided: hardware decoding is nice, but it is inherently limited |
| [19:41:25] | wagnerrp: | there will always be features in codecs a given decoder ASIC does not support |
| [19:41:39] | wagnerrp: | there will always be new codecs coming out a given decoder ASIC does not support |
| [19:42:19] | wagnerrp: | hardware decoders will never be able to recover from stream errors as well as software ones |
| [19:42:48] | mark2013: | Good Day – My MythTV-buntu working pretty well. I can watch and hear. I did not know about F10 F11 for volume up/down, so I pulled Audio Mixer to desktop. That broke a lot of stuff. I use Xubuntu/XFCE and the Mixer shut down all audio to the OS. I have fixed that. My Question is: what needs changing to make F9, 10, 11 work? Also, please suggest current name of TV Remote for MythTV |
| [19:42:58] | Unguided: | so you do it for flexibility. add codec get the feature vs vid card which could be feature limited |
| [19:43:15] | wagnerrp: | basically, if you want a robust and expandable system, you want enough CPU power to fall back on should the hardware decoding fail for whatever reason |
| [19:43:34] | wagnerrp: | and if you have the CPU power to fall back on, then hardware decoding is merely a luxury, not a necessity |
| [19:43:56] | Unguided: | so would you choose software strictly alone or in conjunction with vid card? |
| [19:44:02] | wagnerrp: | as it stands, that system idles at 25W, and ATSC playback is only 32W |
| [19:44:46] | wagnerrp: | Unguided: in the past, my frontends have been systems with integrated nvidia graphics, and used vdpau when possible |
| [19:45:07] | wagnerrp: | however, nvidia has left that business, so the only way to get integrated nvidia graphics is to use one of those systems that are basically a screen-less laptop |
| [19:45:09] | wagnerrp: | like a mac mini |
| [19:45:40] | wagnerrp: | AMD really isn't a viable option for graphics, and that leaves intel as the "good enough" option |
| [19:46:24] | wagnerrp: | mark2013: audio problems typically revolve around pulseaudio |
| [19:47:13] | wagnerrp: | most "desktop" distros have defaulted to using pulseaudio these days, however mythtv prefers to bypass pulseaudio, suspending it so it can access ALSA directly and avoid pulseaudio's limitations |
| [19:47:20] | mark2013: | I had all audio blocked last night after putting Mixer applet on Desktop. Fix un-Mutes about 80 devices, but I have audio back |
| [19:47:26] | wagnerrp: | doing so means the rest of the system that relies on pulseaudio no longer outputs audio |
| [19:48:14] | mark2013: | OK, for now I will use the knob on my 2.1 speakers. |
| [19:48:41] | mark2013: | Can you refer me to info on tv remote controls? |
| [19:48:58] | wagnerrp: | most people just use something like an MCEUSB unit |
| [19:49:11] | wagnerrp: | use the knobo on your speakers to change volume? |
| [19:49:23] | wagnerrp: | if mythtv is unable to change volume, it's because you told it to use the wrong mixer control |
| [19:49:38] | Unguided: | so you are saying, buy faster proc and let it handle the decoding? |
| [19:49:39] | wagnerrp: | or, you're using digital audio in which case there is no mixer control to use |
| [19:49:45] | mark2013: | desktop computer speakers |
| [19:50:04] | wagnerrp: | unguided: i'm saying buy a faster proc that can handle the decoding |
| [19:50:07] | mark2013: | is mixer control in back or front end, please? |
| [19:50:17] | Unguided: | gotcha. |
| [19:50:27] | wagnerrp: | whether or not you want to use a discrete nvidia card for VDPAU, or try out VAAPI, is up to you |
| [19:50:33] | wagnerrp: | frontend, audio controls |
| [19:50:38] | mark2013: | BRB |
| [19:50:41] | wagnerrp: | it's the next page after you select the audio output device |
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| [19:57:08] | mark2013: | Current setting: ALSA:default. Choices are: ALSA:plughw:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0, ALSA:plughw:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0, ALSA:pulse, ALSA:surround40:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 and repeats as 41, 50, 21, 71 and all DEV=), next is: ALSAsysdefault:CARD=NVidia, PulseAudio:defaultALSA:dmix:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 or 1, ALSA – do you need to see more? |
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| [20:04:46] | mark2013: | too many options. Is PulseAudio:default good enough? |
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| [20:13:25] | mark2013: | If Myth prefers ALSA, and my setup sees: ALSA:default, what needs changing? Why would using PulseAudio:default allow the F9, 10 and 11 keys to work, when they don't work (in my Myth) now, please. |
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| [20:17:12] | wagnerrp: | mark2013: using pulseaudio would mean that when mythtv is trying to play something, your other system audio would still function |
| [20:17:49] | wagnerrp: | with alsa, mythtv suspends pulseaudio to get access to alsa underneath, blocking any applications configured to use pulseaudio from playing sounds |
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| [20:22:07] | mark2013: | I am a Ubuntu user. As far as I know, no apps running under Ubuntu use pulse, w/o being manually configged for Pulse. All Ubuntu=ALSA |
| [20:22:45] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu has defaulted to pulseaudio for years |
| [20:23:09] | wagnerrp: | that's one of the big differences if you use the mythbuntu distro, they pulseaudio is not in the base package set |
| [20:25:22] | wizbit: | when mythmusic trys to play a .flac my screen prompts 'Decoder Handler Error – No decoder for this format' |
| [20:25:25] | wizbit: | strange |
| [20:26:50] | wizbit: | plugin is built ok |
| [20:26:51] | wizbit: | MythMusic plugin will be built |
| [20:26:57] | ** wizbit scratches head ** | |
| [20:28:28] | mark2013: | my bad, sorry, waggy |
| [20:29:40] | mark2013: | for me it's mox-nix if myth volume not working with F9,10, I will turn vol up/down with know on my 2.1 desktop speakers which are used for TV and all audio. |
| [20:30:29] | mark2013: | but would installing a tv remote allow volume control via remote? Mostly for muting? |
| [20:30:56] | wagnerrp: | sure, every bit as much as you can using the keyboard |
| [20:31:12] | wagnerrp: | if you can't get volume changing on the keyboard working, then a remote won't work either |
| [20:34:31] | wizbit: | ok .mp3s play fine in mythmusic, but flacs dont |
| [20:34:39] | wizbit: | could i been missing some kind of flac library |
| [20:35:19] | mark2013: | thanks, wagnerrp – bye for now |
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| [20:37:21] | dcope: | cool, my hvr-1250 arrived today |
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| [20:43:05] | dcope: | wagnerrp: :) |
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| [20:45:18] | Unguided: | wagnerrp: I have 12 tuners on my network. what is the minimum proc you would recommend for the backend? |
| [20:45:30] | wizbit: | i think this could be a permissions problem |
| [21:00:39] | wagnerrp: | any modern dual core chip should be plenty |
| [21:01:08] | wagnerrp: | the number of channels, and number of recording rules, is really more of an issue |
| [21:02:20] | wizbit: | how can i get mythmusic to update my music collection? |
| [21:02:36] | wizbit: | there is a option to update in mythvideo, but cannot find mythmusic update option |
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| [21:02:55] | Unguided: | ok. is that for recording 12 at the same time? This is just an example. Also, If I am watching live tv on a frontend is the backend a middle man or is it direct? |
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| [21:04:52] | wagnerrp: | recordings are streamed directly from the backend performing them |
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| [21:05:10] | wizbit: | found it |
| [21:05:12] | wizbit: | hidden |
| [21:05:22] | wizbit: | thats not like mythtv to hide important options? |
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| [21:06:55] | Unguided: | but live tv is not, it just passes through? Meaning watching live tv but not recording it and does the backend assign the tuner on the HDHR? |
| [21:07:04] | wagnerrp: | should be in the utilities, which you should have a link to in the 'm' menu |
| [21:07:18] | wagnerrp: | everything mythtv does is a recording |
| [21:08:02] | Unguided: | ok. gotchs |
| [21:08:50] | sphery: | Unguided: with 12 concurrent recordings, you're likely to have more problems with hard drives than CPU--i.e. you will need several HDDs to be able to write that many recordings at once |
| [21:09:30] | Unguided: | gotcha. I was just curoius. I have 3 going into the backend all the same size |
| [21:09:43] | sphery: | generally, I recommend at least one file system per concurrent recording--to prevent massive fragmentation of files and to prevent disks from having to seek back and forth all the time |
| [21:10:06] | sphery: | (well, the 2nd benefit you get only if each file system is on a separate disk) |
| [21:10:33] | sphery: | I'm guessing you won't often use 12 tuners at once, though |
| [21:10:38] | Unguided: | gotcha. Thanks |
| [21:10:46] | sphery: | and I"m guessing that 12 is actually the number of virtual tuners you've configured, right? |
| [21:10:56] | sphery: | i.e. you have far fewer physical tuners? |
| [21:11:30] | sphery: | or is that really something like 3 Ceton InfiniTVs or 4 HDHR Primes? |
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| [21:11:57] | Unguided: | I will yes. I thought live tv just passed through but it would make sense that it does not. otherwise, how else would you be able to time shift. As The light bulb goes on. :) |
| [21:12:33] | wagnerrp: | plus it means a whole new set of code to manage playback of live streams |
| [21:13:06] | Unguided: | I have 4 HDHR |
| [21:13:07] | wagnerrp: | as of now, a recording is a recording is a recording. livetv just has some code tacked onto it to manage changing channels and switching at the end of a show |
| [21:14:02] | Unguided: | gotcha. |
| [21:15:04] | wizbit: | WOW |
| [21:15:06] | wizbit: | at long last |
| [21:15:10] | wizbit: | 'Play Radio Streams' |
| [21:15:12] | wizbit: | :D |
| [21:15:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: time to disable wiki account creation? |
| [21:16:20] | wagnerrp: | maybe temporarily block the gmx.com domain? |
| [21:16:32] | sphery: | hehe, wow, that's a lot |
| [21:16:43] | sphery: | (of spam accounts created today) |
| [21:16:52] | wagnerrp: | all of those with a name and five random characters are dummy gmx.com accounts |
| [21:16:57] | wagnerrp: | most of them never bothered to authenticate |
| [21:17:00] | sphery: | definitely looks like time to disable for a bit |
| [21:17:05] | wizbit: | why doesnt the wiki have a spam filter protection system |
| [21:17:44] | wagnerrp: | right now, it's protected by recaptcha and email authentication |
| [21:17:58] | wizbit: | surely spam cant get through that |
| [21:18:01] | wagnerrp: | you need to pass recaptcha to make an account, and have a valid email address to authenticate before you can use it |
| [21:18:13] | wagnerrp: | surely it can... |
| [21:18:20] | wizbit: | how? |
| [21:18:30] | wagnerrp: | tons of places let you create dummy email accounts |
| [21:18:51] | wizbit: | what about getting passed recaptcha |
| [21:19:04] | wagnerrp: | and even if you can't build an OCR program to defeat the captcha, you feed it through some porn site and let porn fiends solve it for you |
| [21:19:14] | wagnerrp: | or farm it out to india at 1000 solves per dollar |
| [21:19:28] | wizbit: | jeeze |
| [21:19:53] | wizbit: | there is no such thing as a 100% safe system :-S |
| [21:20:22] | wizbit: | everything digital can be hacked |
| [21:20:37] | ** wizbit feels scared ** | |
| [21:20:45] | wagnerrp: | it's not even being hacked typically |
| [21:20:49] | wagnerrp: | they're getting humans to solve it |
| [21:21:42] | wizbit: | humans are a part of the hack lol |
| [21:22:25] | wizbit: | crap my flacs still dont play |
| [21:22:28] | wizbit: | grrr whats going on |
| [21:26:07] | wagnerrp: | ok, that should block that pattern |
| [21:27:04] | wagnerrp: | except... i broke the wiki |
| [21:27:06] | wagnerrp: | crap |
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| [21:33:22] | wagnerrp: | ok, that fixed it |
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| [23:27:47] | Quantum7: | Compile Fail: https://paste.debian.net/228009/ |
| [23:27:55] | justdave: | so I upgraded one of my mythtv boxes from Ubuntu 12.04 to Ubuntu 12.10, and mythtv will no longer go fullscreen, even with the Legacy Fullscreen Support ticked in ccsm |
| [23:28:08] | justdave: | is there some other trick you have to do for it as well now? |
| [23:29:00] | justdave: | on the other hand, I have another box that I upgraded the same way, and it works fine there... |
| [23:29:22] | justdave: | so that's why I'm suspecting there's an additional tweak somewhere that for some reason was already set on the other one |
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| [23:30:13] | Bray90820: | so does anyone wanna help me remove 0.26 |
| [23:30:52] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp if you don't mind helping me |
| [23:30:59] | Bray90820: | it's ok if you don't wanna help me |
| [23:31:57] | Quantum7: | Bray90820: Whatz wrong with 0.26? I was just trying to compile but it fails. |
| [23:33:09] | Bray90820: | Quantum7 you see i am having many errors with recordings and the reason is is because i have 0.25 and 0.26 installed but 0.26 is broken |
| [23:33:37] | Quantum7: | Did you install after compile? |
| [23:33:41] | justdave: | 0.26 is probably broken because 0.25 is still there I would imagine |
| [23:33:47] | Bray90820: | i setup a bunch of serieas to record and somethings it tried to access 0.26 and then the recording failes |
| [23:34:11] | Quantum7: | Well they have different database schemas |
| [23:34:14] | Bray90820: | well 0.26 isn't even compleatly installed |
| [23:34:17] | justdave: | unless you have a database backup you probably can't go back, the schema's different and you've presumably already upgraded the database for 0.26 |
| [23:34:36] | Quantum7: | Did you install after compile? |
| [23:34:36] | Bray90820: | some recordings work tho |
| [23:34:47] | Bray90820: | i'm not sure |
| [23:35:00] | Quantum7: | How did you install? |
| [23:35:01] | Bray90820: | i used mythbuntu control center to install it |
| [23:35:15] | Quantum7: | O jeez, I don't know then. |
| [23:35:41] | Bray90820: | do you know what to do if i would have installed it from the ubuntu software center |
| [23:35:59] | Quantum7: | Np. Don't use Ubongo. |
| [23:36:20] | Bray90820: | what do you use |
| [23:36:22] | Quantum7: | Debian, 14 years. |
| [23:36:36] | ** tgm4883 reads backlog ** | |
| [23:36:42] | justdave: | you have to run software update after telling mythbuntu-control-center to switch it |
| [23:36:54] | justdave: | all it does is change your repos |
| [23:36:59] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, what version do you currently have installed |
| [23:37:00] | Bray90820: | justdave can you help me remove 0.26 |
| [23:37:24] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, please pastebin 'dpkg -l | grep -i mythtv' |
| [23:37:24] | Quantum7: | Compile Fail: https://paste.debian.net/228009/ |
| [23:37:46] | justdave: | Bray90820: did you actually install 0.26 yet (by running software update) or did you only tell mythbuntu-control-center to change it? |
| [23:37:54] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 i apparently have 0.25 and 0.26 installed but 0.26 is broken i want to use 0.25 |
| [23:37:54] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, anyone that uses apt should be able to help you resolve this |
| [23:38:03] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, please pastebin that output |
| [23:38:09] | Bray90820: | i will |
| [23:38:11] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [23:38:15] | justdave: | Bray90820: start answering the questions people are asking or we can't help |
| [23:38:34] | justdave: | Bray90820: if you used mythbuntu-control-center to install it you can't have both |
| [23:38:40] | justdave: | installing 0.26 will uninstall 0.25 |
| [23:39:06] | tgm4883: | well you shouldn't be able to install both anyway. 0.26 packages would upgrade the 0.25 packages. But lets take a look at the dpkg output |
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| [23:40:13] | Bray90820: | well in my logs it tries to access 0.26 but mythbuntu control center shows 0.25 with only 1 backend |
| [23:40:29] | Quantum7: | I give up. |
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| [23:40:53] | justdave: | Bray90820: did you restart mythtv-backend after upgrading? |
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| [23:41:06] | Bray90820: | i dont want 0.26 |
| [23:41:09] | Bray90820: | i want 0.25 |
| [23:41:21] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, I can't help you unless you pastebin what I asked for |
| [23:41:39] | Bray90820: | yea im working on it |
| [23:41:43] | Bray90820: | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ktyGykxk |
| [23:42:18] | justdave: | looks like you didn't get a complete update |
| [23:42:23] | Bray90820: | things seem to be funky in there |
| [23:42:26] | justdave: | your backend is still 0.25 and your frontend stuff is all 0.26 |
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| [23:42:33] | tgm4883: | yea you've got a bunch of weirdness there |
| [23:42:35] | Bray90820: | well i don't want to update |
| [23:42:45] | Bray90820: | i want 0.25 NOT 0.26 |
| [23:42:51] | justdave: | the frontend will have upgraded your database the first time you ran it |
| [23:43:00] | justdave: | unless you have a backup you can't go back |
| [23:43:02] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, do you have a database backup? |
| [23:43:18] | Bray90820: | im sorry i dont mean to be a jerk but do you realize i want 0.25 |
| [23:43:22] | justdave: | the fix here is to finish the upgrade (install the 0.26 backend) |
| [23:43:34] | justdave: | Bray90820: I don't mean to be a jerk, but it's too late unless you have a backup you can restore |
| [23:43:38] | tgm4883: | ... |
| [23:43:51] | tgm4883: | or start from a scratch db |
| [23:45:00] | Bray90820: | i just wanna remove all ramadence of 0.26 from my system |
| [23:45:33] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, you have 3 options (which we can help you with). 1) Roll back to 0.25 and restore a database backup you have 2) Roll back to 0.25 and use a new database, 3) Finish upgrading to 0.26. Please select one and let us know what it is |
| [23:46:09] | Bray90820: | Roll back to 0.25 and use a new database |
| [23:46:36] | Bray90820: | sorry about being so complicated about this |
| [23:46:49] | tgm4883: | ok, so give me a few seconds for the command you'll need to run |
| [23:47:06] | Bray90820: | it just feels like you guys are trying to get me to upgrade to 0.26 when i don't want to |
| [23:47:17] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 thank you |
| [23:49:27] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, ok |
| [23:49:37] | tgm4883: | so first, do you still have the 0.26 repo activated? |
| [23:50:49] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, can you pastebin the output of 'ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/' |
| [23:52:00] | Bray90820: | i do not have 0.26 repo |
| [23:52:49] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, ok, then you should just need to run this to get 0.25 installed. We'll worry about the db later |
| [23:52:56] | Bray90820: | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sDjJXZNx |
| [23:53:07] | tgm4883: | apt-get update |
| [23:53:07] | tgm4883: | apt-get remove libmyth-0.26–0 |
| [23:53:07] | tgm4883: | apt-get install libmyth-python=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 libmythtv-perl=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 mythtv-common=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 mythtv-database=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 mythtv-transcode-utils=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 mythweb=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 php-mythtv=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 |
| [23:53:14] | Bray90820: | 0.25 is installed along with a broken 0.26 |
| [23:55:01] | Bray90820: | so would the code also remove 0.25 |
| [23:55:40] | tgm4883: | no |
| [23:55:47] | tgm4883: | it would install those specific versions |
| [23:55:57] | tgm4883: | eg. downgrade the packages |
| [23:56:18] | Bray90820: | so as of right now i have 0.25 and a broken 0.26 installed |
| [23:56:37] | Bray90820: | and then i ran apt-get remove libmyth-0.26–0 |
| [23:56:44] | Bray90820: | now what |
| [23:56:56] | Bray90820: | the end result i want is 0.25 working |
| [23:57:03] | tgm4883: | did you run all 3 commands I gave you? |
| [23:57:40] | Bray90820: | uh i don't think i ever got the 3rd one |
| [23:57:49] | tgm4883: | apt-get install libmyth-python=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 libmythtv-perl=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 mythtv-common=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 mythtv-database=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 mythtv-transcode-utils=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 mythweb=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 php-mythtv=2:0.25.3+fixes.20130113 |
| [23:57:54] | Bray90820: | thank you |
| [23:58:51] | Bray90820: | so i ran all 3 and i got errors on the 3rd one |
| [23:59:11] | Bray90820: | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=acSxgBBJ |
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