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Friday, January 18th, 2013, 00:01 UTC

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tgm4883:

Bray90820, you set the storage group in the backend setup

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Bray90820:

where in the backend setup

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tgm4883:

Bray90820, under.... "Storage Groups"

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Bray90820:

ok

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Bray90820:

i will try that

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Bray90820:

storage directories right

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tgm4883:

that sounds feasible

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Bray90820:

i figured it out

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Bray90820:

but what is the terminal code to start the backend

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ubuntuaddicted:

can anyone help me troubleshoot why my mythweb isn't working?

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Bray90820:

never mind i just restarted the computer

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ubuntuaddicted:

i don't know where to begin troubleshooting this mythweb issue, it just stopped working after I had some table corruption that sphery helped me fix last night

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ubuntuaddicted:

anyone here?

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Bray90820:

how much guide data does Schedules Direct have

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ubuntuaddicted:

depends where you live. you can log into their website and check availability

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ubuntuaddicted:

for your area based on zip code and provider

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Bray90820:

ok

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Shadow__X:

I am having problems with the mythbuild script to build a frontned on windows. Where should I ask for help

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Bray90820:

so no matter what i do i can't get mythtv to recognize any upcoming recordings when i click preview in the schedule editor

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Bray90820:

eventho there is an upcoming recording in 90 minutes

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Bray90820:

Anyone know?

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Shadow__X:

Bray90820: do you have a tuner setup with the right provider?

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Bray90820:

yes

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Bray90820:

i am able to watch live yv

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Bray90820:

tv

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Shadow__X:

is that tuner setup with the right provider

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Bray90820:

what do you mean

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Shadow__X:

go into mythtv setup

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Shadow__X:

under input connections make sure your tuner has the proper video source selected

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Bray90820:

i think it does

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Bray90820:

sre you talking about for the guide data

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Shadow__X:

well did you get the guide data setup?

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Shadow__X:

as a video source on mythtv setup?

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Bray90820:

yes

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Shadow__X:

ok then go into input connections

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wagnerrp:

Bray90820: schedules direct gets you two weeks

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Bray90820:

ok

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wagnerrp:

is anything scheduled to record?

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wagnerrp:

if not, it could be a permissions issue

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wagnerrp:

either on the tuner, or the storage paths

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wagnerrp:

the backend logs would probably be warning about something

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w1ll1am:

Hello this is my first time here so sorry for any noob-ish mistakes. Here is my question I have been running mythbuntu 12.04 with mythtv .25 for a little more than a year. I just recently decided to add a frontend in addition to my FE BE combo videos will not play .ISO .mkv or .AVI any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

your video paths are defined in mythtv-setup, in the Videos storage group?

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w1ll1am:

Yes I can see them all and they try to play but they stop instantly

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Bray90820:

well i found 1 problem already

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wagnerrp:

mkv and avi should play without a problem

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Bray90820:

the backend is off by an hour

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wagnerrp:

any chance those isos are encrypted?

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wagnerrp:

encrypted isos can be played from the filesystem

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wagnerrp:

only unencrypted isos can be pushed over the network from a remote frontend

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wagnerrp:

s/frontend/backend/

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w1ll1am:

Everything plays on the BE fine. The .ISOs were "backed up with k9copy so idk I guess they are encrypted

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w1ll1am:

but that doesn't explain why the MKVs wouldn't paly

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wagnerrp:

k9copy should decrypt them and generate a new iso

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wagnerrp:

could you pastebin some logs?

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w1ll1am:

sure I am not too sure how to do that but I will figure it out. What logs would you like

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wagnerrp:

frontend and backend would be preferred

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wagnerrp:

just stuff them onto a pastebin

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w1ll1am:

okay well give me a couple minutes

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Bray90820:

Shadow__X the first problem is that mythtv backend time is off by an hour

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w1ll1am:

pastebin.com/AFfAzzMY FE log

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wagnerrp:

well right at the very top, those protocol version check issues are troubling

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wagnerrp:

usually only fixed by restarting the backend

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w1ll1am:

I have tried restarting the backend a few times and i still get the same error

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Bray90820:

w1ll1am re you telling me to send the log

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w1ll1am:

pastbin.com/uiTTYx42 backend

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Bray90820:

so is that a yes?

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w1ll1am:

Bray90820 I am sorry what did you ask?

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Bray90820:

i think the answer is no but i was asking of you told me to send you my logs

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w1ll1am:

No I didn't I was sending mine sorry for the confusion

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Bray90820:

it's alright

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wagnerrp:

no idea, unless all that noise from the DVB signal monitor is hosing up the backend

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Bray90820:

but does anyone know why my backend is off by an hour

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Bray90820:

it's an hour fast

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wagnerrp:

Bray90820: run 'date' from the terminal

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w1ll1am:

DVB is that the tuner?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that's about all i see in your logs

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wagnerrp:

hundreds and hundreds of complaints from the signal monitor

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Bray90820:

facepalm

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Bray90820:

it wasn't off by an hour

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Bray90820:

i was just confused about what the actual tine was

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w1ll1am:

Yeah that just stopped working too. When I try to open Watch TV i get all tuners are busy not sure why

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Bray90820:

but lets get to the bottom of why i can't record

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wagnerrp:

it's not time to record for another hour?

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Bray90820:

true but nothing even sets up

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wagnerrp:

typically recording problems are permissions issues

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Bray90820:

i try to set it up but nothing shows in future recordings

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Bray90820:

should i send my logs

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wagnerrp:

your backend either doesn't have permission to access the tuners, or access the recording paths, so the scheduler basically shuts down

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Bray90820:

well i can watch live tv

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Bray90820:

so i will just send my logs

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wagnerrp:

did you define a separate livetv storage group, or is it just dropping into Default with everything else?

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Bray90820:

what location are the logs at

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wagnerrp:

unless you defined otherwise, to the terminal you ran mythbackend from

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Bray90820:

i did define a custom recording group

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wagnerrp:

init scripts are often configured to dump logs into /var/log or /var/log/mythtv

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Bray90820:

and that location is 777

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Bray90820:

so i dont see why it would be a permissions issue

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w1ll1am:

I just deleted all tuners and restarted BE I will report back

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wagnerrp:

the backend won't run without tuners

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wagnerrp:

but the backend shouldn't be using the tuners to flood errors from the signal monitor unless you were recording something

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wagnerrp:

or, it was running the EIT scanner in the background

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wagnerrp:

but being in the US (cincinnati?), EIT isn't of much use and should be disabled

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wagnerrp:

especially if you have schedules direct configured on the video source

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wagnerrp:

since bad things happen when you overwrite xmltv data with eit data

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w1ll1am:

The BE still runs I can still access my dvd backups but the FE still doesn't paly anything. I think I enabled EIT I will disable it

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Bray90820:

well it's a huge log but here it is

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ehu5JDS3

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wagnerrp:

that's a week old

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wagnerrp:

and i only need the logs from the current instance

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wagnerrp:

that's the primary reason why if mythtv is left to its own devices, rather than run through syslog, it outputs a new file for each new instance

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Bray90820:

well then where would i find the current logs

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wagnerrp:

i don't know, it depends on how you ran mythbackend

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Bray90820:

i clicked on the icon

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wagnerrp:

the command used to run mythbackend tells it where it is supposed to log to

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wagnerrp:

the "icon" is not something provided by mythtv, so i have no idea what that might do

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Bray90820:

it opened the backend

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wagnerrp:

if mythtv is not told where to log to, it only logs to the terminal it was run from

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wagnerrp:

and if it were run from an icon, there would be no terminal, and the logs would be discarded

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Bray90820:

i have sent my logs here before

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wagnerrp:

the logs you just pasted were from the 11th

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Bray90820:

when i click the icon the terminal opens

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w1ll1am:

how do you disable EIT? I can't find it in the mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

i don't recall off hand, to be honest

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Bray90820:

assuming it all worked fine where would the default log location be

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wagnerrp:

Bray90820: the default location is the terminal you ran mythbackend from

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w1ll1am:

okay Ill keep looking

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wagnerrp:

it only logs to a file if you tell it where to log to on the command line

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Bray90820:

the location of the log

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Bray90820:

where would i find it

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Bray90820:

but whats the default

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wagnerrp:

something had to run "mythbackend" with a bunch of arguments, correct?

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Bray90820:

yes

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wagnerrp:

figure out what that something ran, and that will tell you where it is logging to

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Bray90820:

when i cliked teh icon mythbackend was ran

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wagnerrp:

so open up the properties for the icon, and see what command it ran

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wagnerrp:

specifically, you're looking for something like --logpath or --syslog

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tgm4883:

/var/log/mythtv/ on Ubuntu/Mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

if neither of those were used, then mythtv never logged to any file

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** wagnerrp should really write something to grab the latest instance from the database **

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w1ll1am:

added new tuner disabled EIT and I still get All tuners currently busy

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Bray90820:

i found it

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Bray90820:

but its to big for pastebin

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Bray90820:

pastebon

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Bray90820:

pastebin

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Bray90820:

so what should i do about that

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Bray90820:

how about a put it in a text file and send you a download link

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Bray90820:

theres a link ro my log file

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Bray90820:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33402675/Log.rtf

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w1ll1am:

pastbin.com/Yq4rMy3P this is what outputs when I run mythfrontend from terminal from the FE only machine. I also get at least the last 4 lines when running mythfilldatabase tuner still says busy

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sphery:

w1ll1am: you have a serious MySQL configuration problem: Host 'mythhtpc-frontend.local' is blocked because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts'

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sphery:

Bray90820: I'm guessing if your log file is too big for pastebin, it's too big to comb through--likely because it contains garbage from every previous run...

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sphery:

Bray90820: see, especially, section 1 of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Posting_Logs

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w1ll1am:

I have my system separated with / /home /allofmymedia on different partitions and I just did a fresh install to wipe out all the bad stuff I will post back to inform if everything it working

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sphery:

w1ll1am: isn't the database on a different host? I thought this was a new frontend-only system?

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w1ll1am:

yes the problem started with the FE but warnerrp say he though it was my tuner causing the problems which is located on the BE so I am trying to fix the BE to see if it fixes the FE

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sphery:

ok

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Bray90820:

sphery the log file only contains stuff from today

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sphery:

well, I'm not starting up any program that can read an rtf file, so I can't see what's in there

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sphery:

LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org just aren't good for viewing log files

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Bray90820:

hum

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Bray90820:

so what do you recommend i do

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wagnerrp:

how did you even get your logs into an rtf in the first place?

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sphery:

don't you have a plain text file?

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sphery:

the logs start out as plain text

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sphery:

just put that on dropbox

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wagnerrp:

if you have so much logs from one day that it will not fit on pastebin

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Bray90820:

so you will look at it if it is a txt file

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wagnerrp:

surely there is a whole flood of errors on there

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sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

must be tons of them

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Bray90820:

ok

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wagnerrp:

presumably one of those errors would tell you you've done something wrong

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Bray90820:

will do

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Bray90820:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33402675/Log.txt

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w1ll1am:

well even after the install I still get all tuners are busy. if i run mysqladmin flush-hosts I get access denied

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w1ll1am:

well i have to go to work in the morning so I will be back on tomorrow thanks for the help

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sphery:

Bray90820: you need to set up a syslog configuration so that your mythtv logging doesn't all go into your system log files (getting mixed up and such)

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sphery:

Bray90820: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Syslog_Configuration_Files

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sphery:

your packager should have done this for you

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Bray90820:

the odd thing is i do have the backend logs from a week ago

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sphery:

the configuration you have throws all the logging from all the processes into one file, all jumbled up, making it hard to figure out

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Bray90820:

i do have a backend log

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Bray90820:

but it's all old logs

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sphery:

if you run without --syslog argument, you can get a normal file log

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sphery:

specify --logpath /path/to/log/directory

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sphery:

or just redirect stdout/stderr

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sphery:

(or configure syslog properly)

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Bray90820:

i dont really know what you mean

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sphery:

see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Syslog_Configuration_Files

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sphery:

you have rsyslog

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sphery:

so you'll want to configure like: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Simple_rsyslog_Configuration

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Bray90820:

well there is something else going on

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aRMTVvTW

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Bray90820:

that's what happens when i run 'mythbackend' from the terminal

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[R]:

looks like another is running

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drussell_:

try killall mythbackend

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Bray90820:

i killed it and reran 'mythbackend'

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6LneNFRN

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Bray90820:

this whole thing is just so confusing

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Bray90820:

it shouldn't be this hard to setup a recording

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sphery:

Bray90820: seems it's working, then, which likely means that if you don't see any upcoming recordings, you have a problem with your input connections configuration

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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Bray90820:

meaning my tuner?

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sphery:

Bray90820: note, though, you may want to upgrade to 0.26-fixes, rather than try to get 0.25-fixes working

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sphery:

input connections configuration = Capture Cards, Video Sources, Input Connections, and Channels

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Bray90820:

well i herd there were problems with 0.26

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sphery:

i.e. you've configured them, but they're not linked up right, so mythtv is unable to record any of the shows you tell it to record from the channels it /can/ access

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sphery:

my guess is your channels are borked

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sphery:

and you need to do the Delete all Video Sources mentioned in the linked post

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sphery:

and then set it up properly (which means without repeating the configuration mistake that broke it in the first place)

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sphery:

the 2nd part is the challenge

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Bray90820:

would it be easier to start from scratch

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sphery:

Delete all Video Sources is starting from scratch

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sphery:

(for Video Sources, Input Connections and Channels)

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sphery:

Delete all Capture Cards would make it from scratch for Capture Cards, too

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Bray90820:

can you walk me through it

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wagnerrp:

hah! i just scrolled to the top of this file and realized that i recreated several existing functions at the bottom

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sphery:

see above post

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Bray90820:

it's an HDHomerun

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Bray90820:

the one from 2007

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Bray90820:

?

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sphery:

yep

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Bray90820:

i'll try that

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sphery:

that guy wrote some good stuff--still relevent nearly 6 years later...

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Bray90820:

it was working incompletely at first but then it just stopped working all together

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sphery:

yeah, that's typically what happens when things aren't properly linked up

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sphery:

you likely got some shadow channels

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sphery:

so you have 2 copies of channels

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Bray90820:

no

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sphery:

the ones connected to the inputs have no data

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Bray90820:

i don't

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sphery:

and the ones with data aren't connected

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sphery:

or you have some other misconfig

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Bray90820:

idk

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sphery:

it's much harder to figure out what's wrong and fix it

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Bray90820:

i'll just delete them and reset everything up with he link

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sphery:

than to clear out everything--brokenness and all--and just reconfigure it properly

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sphery:

that way you only have to figure out one thing--how to properly configure it in the first place

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sphery:

(versus having to figure out how it needs to be configured /and/ what's misconfigured /and/ how to change the current configuration to fix the misconfiguration)

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Bray90820:

well that doesn't really work for me because i am using a cable card and can't scan for channels

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sphery:

well, then you use the "if you're using an analog encoder" instructions

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sphery:

(which should really say, "if you're using an unscannable input"

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sphery:

cablecard is unscannable, so Fetch channels from listings provider

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wagnerrp:

more correctly, "if you're using an input that takes a single value to tune"

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Bray90820:

in the guide?

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wagnerrp:

fetch channels only works with single-value tuning

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wagnerrp:

where as digital tuning typically requires a physical channel, and a logical subchannel

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Bray90820:

actually i will be right back i got to do something for a few minutes

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wagnerrp:

cablecard tuners use the cable companies' virtual mapping to only have a single arbitrary value

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Bray90820:

so when i get back you can explain it to me

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Bray90820:

so can you explain to me what to do since i am using a cable card

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daniel6644:

hey guys im using sony play tv as my tv tuner card on a ubuntu 12.10 myth tv install. do i need any special drivers or firmware for the play tv?

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[R]:

if you are usiong it... then obviously you dont need anything else

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Bray90820:

[R] were you talking to me

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daniel6644:

I have plugged thew play tv in but get an error. I think I need the firmware

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[R]:

Bray90820: no

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[R]:

you get an error!?

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drussell_:

daniel6644: according to http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Sony_Pl . . . _tuner_DVB-T

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drussell_:

you need firmware from http://www.wi-bw.tfh-wildau.de/~pboettch/home . . . 0700-1.20.fw

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Bray90820:

+wagnerrp can you explain to me what to do since i am using a cable card

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daniel6644:

thanks. ill grab the firmware and then see how I go.

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daniel6644:

once I place the firmware in lib/firmware. how do I modprobe to activate it?

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daniel6644:

I dont know what command I use to get it active now that I have put the firmware in /lib/firmware

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wagnerrp:

Bray90820: follow the directions as if you were adding an analog tuner

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wagnerrp:

daniel6644: you can't just put the firmware in /lib/firmware, you need to put it in the exact location the drivers tell you they cannot locate it from

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Bray90820:

+wagnerrp thank you

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wagnerrp:

after which, ideally, the system will automatically load the necessary drivers on startup

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daniel6644:

The sony tv for linux wiki page says lib/firmware where can I find the correct location?

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wagnerrp:

after you modprobe the driver, check dmesg

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wagnerrp:

if it could not find the firmware, it will tell you where it was looking

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daniel6644:

i dont know where it says that

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wagnerrp:

in dmesg

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wagnerrp:

either it will tell you everything went fine, or it will give you some error to continue digging

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daniel6644:

when I go into mythtv backend it just says could not get card info for /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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daniel6644:

ok ill look in dmesg

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wagnerrp:

do you actually have a /dev/dvb/adapter0?

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daniel6644:

[ 3.787223] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (DiBcom 7000PC)...

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daniel6644:

that was in dmesg ^

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daniel6644:

and 4.013203] DVB: registering new adapter (Sony PlayTV)

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daniel6644:

oh

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daniel6644:

I think I found a prob

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daniel6644:

[ 4.441031] DiB0070: successfully identified

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wagnerrp:

any problems should really be directed towards #linuxtv

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wagnerrp:

we really just use tuner cards, not support them

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daniel6644:

[ 4.466312] dib0700: rc submit urb failed

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wagnerrp:

once the tuner card is working, then we can help you configure it in mythtv

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daniel6644:

[ 4.466187] dvb-usb: Sony PlayTV successfully initialized and connected.

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daniel6644:

ok

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wagnerrp:

the linuxtv project actually develops and supports the drivers themselves

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wagnerrp:

but if dmesg reports successful, and you have the proper device nodes

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wagnerrp:

chances are the device is working, and you have some configuration issue

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daniel6644:

ok cool

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daniel6644:

thanks

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Bray90820:

+wagnerrp regarding my logs

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Bray90820:

mythlogserver crashed with SIGSEGV in QObject::disconnect()

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Bray90820:

i get that error every time i start ubuntu

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stuartm:

kvarley: http://www.dvbshop.net/index.php/cat/c460_PC- . . . ---PCIe.html http://www.dvbshop.net/index.php/cat/c502_TeV . . . ub07cev6nee5

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kvarley:

stuartm: I'm looking to have 2 streams, one for playback and one for recording (or 2 different playback streams if nobody is recording). Is that possible?

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stuartm:

when you say playback, you mean live tv?

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kvarley:

stuartm: yes, sorry

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kvarley:

stuartm: So essentially I want to be able to watch 2 different live TV channels at the same time or record a live TV stream and watch another live tv stream at the same time

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stuartm:

for that you want a dual tuner, so something like the S480 (there are other makes available, but Tevii works and seems to the be cheapest)

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stuartm:

you'd also need two cables coming from the dish

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stuartm:

and a dual or quad LNB

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kvarley:

stuartm: I currently have a sky+ dish which has 2 feeds coming from it :)

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kvarley:

stuartm: sorry what is LNB?

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stuartm:

kvarley: it's the receiver unit that sits on the end of the arm on the dish, if you've got two cables running from your existing dish then you already have at least a dual LNB

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stuartm:

quad LNB allows 4 feeds

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kvarley:

stuartm: Ah ok thanks :)

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stuartm:

you can always record two channels on the same frequency from a signal tuner, but since that's not going to be the case all the time you want at least a dual tuner for your scenario

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stuartm:

that would in theory allow you to record at least 2 things at once, but up to 8x (if conditions allow) – e.g. BBC One HD and BBC HD are on the same frequency, you could be recording from both and still able to watch livetv

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stuartm:

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stuartm:

sorry, that should have been: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S2_Devices

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Oleg_:

what do you think about the fact that Windows Media Center is not free anymore?

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Oleg_:

I mean, it's not a freeware anymore

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dekarl:

Oleg_: this might not be the best place to ask about other softwares license/price. Personaly I don't care

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stuartm:

I fall into the same camp as dekarl, I couldn't care less about MCE, but I will add that anyone who believed it would remain free forever cannot know Microsoft very well

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stuartm:

the first hit is always free

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wagnerrp:

WMC was never freeware

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wagnerrp:

you had to pay a premium on your windows license to get it

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sphery:

wonder if he's saying there's now a subscription cost or something?

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sphery:

can't find any mention of new costs with Windows MCE, so...

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jams:

he is referring to that fact that it's now a seperate puchase

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jams:

which was not the case with windows 7

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Bart2:

Goodevening! I'm watching a french series which doesn't have an English entry on thetvdb.com. I'd like to retrieve the French version of the information to use as metadata.

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Bart2:

Can I configure a French lookup for that particular series, or can i set up French as 'backup' language, if an English thetvdb.com entry cannot be found?

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wagnerrp:

bart2: better to add the series to thetvdb.com

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Bart2:

wagnerrp: Copy the series from French to English?

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wagnerrp:

oh, i get what you're saying

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wagnerrp:

you want the rest of your metadata to be in english

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Bart2:

Indeed

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wagnerrp:

but you want this specific series to be in french

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Bart2:

Exactly

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wagnerrp:

yeah, no way to do that

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Bart2:

Ok :)

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Bart2:

I'll see if I can translate the series and add an English entry for the series on thetvdb.com, thanks for your feedback!

[18:28:05]

wagnerrp:

that's a thought though...

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wagnerrp:

add support for multiple languages to be stored in the database

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wagnerrp:

and pull up the data for which ever one the user currently has selected

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Bart2:

Yup, would be great

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wagnerrp:

stuartm, dekarl: ^^ something worth considering during the schema rewrite?

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Bart2:

And/or the option to add a 'backup' language would be nice

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Bart2:

For example, I understand Dutch, English, French, German

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wagnerrp:

right now, the typical "backup" is english

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Bart2:

If information in one language can't be found, would be cool if another language would be tried

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wagnerrp:

as far as i know, if the current grabbers do not have information available in the selected language, they will return the english versions

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Bart2:

Uhuh

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Bart2:

But I prefer English to be my main language :)

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wagnerrp:

i know the old tmdb.py script would do that server side, and the new tmdb3.py does that client side

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Bart2:

Only French, or another language, if English version can't be found

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wagnerrp:

don't know about tvdb.py

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dekarl1:

wagnerrp: that would fit nicely with adding support for the language the content is in (audio descriptor in the EIT / PMT or simply MKV metadata).

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louisdk:

Hi. My cable provider have relocated some channels. I need to do a rescan but since last scan I've upgraded from 0.25 to 0.26 and in 0.26 it do'snt seems like

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louisdk:

Hi. My cable provider have relocated some channels. I need to do a rescan but since last scan I've upgraded from 0.25 to 0.26 and in 0.26 it does not seems like 0.26 seems channel scan by Hz sequence. I can choose between cable, cable hrc or cable irc and neither of them finds all my channels. I live in Europe and use a hdhomerun hdhr3-eu tuner for dvb-c.

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kslater:

louisdk: first of all, do you have a database backup from 0.25 before you upgraded? Maybe you can just use that to prepare a script to run in the old rows of the channels table?

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kslater:

actually, I guess that doesn't get you there anyway since you've stated that the channels have been re-arranged. I'm at a loss, sorry.

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louisdk:

ksllater: I'll downgrade to Mythtv 0.26 and see if it helps.

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wizbit:

wow

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wizbit:

the upcoming sticky recording bug has gone :D

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wizbit:

0.26 is the _best_ release yet

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Bart2:

wagnerrp: Wrote a wrapper around the ttvdb.py script, that checks for French information on the series if English query doesn't return something

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Bart2:

Seems to work

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sphery:

louisdk: cable-hrc and cable-irc are North American only

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sphery:

louisdk: what kind of cable TV are you getting? If it's analog, scanning may not work well at all

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sphery:

louisdk: if it's digital TV, just do a full scan with the proper frequency table (i.e. Europe West or whatever)

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sphery:

if it's analog, try the same, but if it doesn't get everything, just create new channels using the mythtv-setup Channel Editor

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sphery:

(for the ones that are missed)

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: an alternate approach to storing both titles, is to flag the metadata as 'incomplete' so that we will check it periodically for updates and grab the preferred language title if it's ever added?

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stuartm:

if we start storing metadata in two languages then everything, from descriptions and posters will be duplicated, and that's assuming no-one wants three or four languages

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stuartm:

as far as grabbing metadata, probably better to fall back to the original title if the translated title isn't available in the preferred language

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stuartm:

I think that's doable for TMDB, no idea about TVDB

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dekarl:

stuartm: which one is the "original" title of made for TV movies that are a coproduction of multiple stations spread across languages/countries? ;)

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stuartm:

dekarl: heh, whatever gets entered first on TVDB/TMDB :) I can't imagine that would really matter much, e.g. If a Swedish/Danish co-production has no English title, then I don't think I mind whether I get the Swedish or Danish title instead, as long as I get something to identify it by

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stuartm:

what I'm talking about here is the absolute fallback, I'm all for allowing users to define a second preferred language which we could try instead – we already do that for EIT and Subtitles

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dekarl:

stuartm: sounds like a plan. but what if the original title is russion or japanese? As currently mostly a transliteration of the original title gets entered in the databases its easy. But what do we do once its propper russion/japanese writing?

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dekarl:

I like the idea of a setting similar to web browsers language preferences.

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stuartm:

learn Russian/Japanese? :)

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stuartm:

If you're watching a Russian programme then I guess you already know Russian :)

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dekarl:

Aye, that would be the idea of "get metadata in the audio language if the user preference is not available"

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dekarl:

so much ideas, so little time

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stuartm:

indeed

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dekarl:

...many.

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stuartm:

it's easy to have good ideas, but who has the time to implement them all?

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dekarl:

I still like the idea of playing back video with multiple concurrent languages (one over the speaker, the other(s) over headphones) so dad/mom can have original english but the little girl can have it in german

[20:16:42]

dekarl:

(or the other way round) Switching language midseries really is strange

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stuartm:

We should definitely implement decoding of multiple audio streams, that's one of the biggest missing features in the UK since it's required for AD to work on Freeview

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dekarl:

sounds like the same basic building blocks for both use cases

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: that was the idea, storing stuff for every language the user has used previously

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wagnerrp:

so that if they do switch, the data is all ready to use

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wagnerrp:

rather than the specific use case defined by bart, where they just wanted alternate language data for one show

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stuartm:

Is there really a use case for that? Pulling and storing all that extra data/imagery seems like overkill for the odd user who wants to learn another language or whatever

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wagnerrp:

well that's why i just brought it up as a possibility

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wagnerrp:

not that i was suggesting we do it (as i personally have no use for it)

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stuartm:

and it's one of those features than might come back to bite us when a user complains that after accidentally changing the frontend language to German 3 years ago they now have a harddrive full of German artwork alongside the English stuff

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stuartm:

I'd start with supporting a fallback second language as we do now for subtitles, and since we already have an 'allow updates' flag for videos we can use that to indicate those files where we were unable to grab the preferred language the first time and we should periodically try again

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stuartm:

that should please most people

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wagnerrp:

we have an "allow updates" flag?

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stuartm:

We have a menu entry to toggle one, so I'm guessing it's there in the DB somewhere

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stuartm:

see the Manage Video Details submenu, third entry "Allow Updates"

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wagnerrp:

there's a "processed" flag

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wagnerrp:

but that's not really the same thing

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: the meaning of some stuff changes over time, so the column name may not be an accurate reflection of it's current usage

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wagnerrp:

as far as i know, the 'processed' flag is only ever used by the bulk grabber

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wagnerrp:

and if the bulk grabber runs successfully, it always flags as processed

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wagnerrp:

meaning it never runs a second time

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stuartm:

when it happens, it's often that an originally boolean value is changed to an enum, so zero/one retain their old meanings but 1+ add new values

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Bray90820:

so every time i star ubunbtu i get this error

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Bray90820:

mythlogserver crashed with SIGSEGV in QObject::disconnect()

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wagnerrp:

the code still has it as a boolean value

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Bray90820:

wagnerrp were you talking to me

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wagnerrp:

no

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Bray90820:

ok

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stuartm:

well that can be easily changed to support my proposal, it's not an important detail :)

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stuartm:

Bray90820: I'd discuss this with the mythbuntu guys first, since it may be an issue their end

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Bray90820:

i use ubuntu not mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

same thing

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stuartm:

Bray90820: also make sure you are running the latest version from their PPA repo and not whatever is shipped in the Ubuntu repos (they don't accept bug fix packages for some reason, only security updates)

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stuartm:

Bray90820: no difference really

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wagnerrp:

either way, you're running the same mythtv packages

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stuartm:

prepared by the mythbuntu guys

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wagnerrp:

the only real difference between ubuntu+mythtv and mythbuntu is you start with a different base set of packages

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stuartm:

#ubuntu-mythtv

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wagnerrp:

the mythbuntu "distro" gives you xfce with no pulseaudio, as opposed to gnome or unity or whatever the main distro runs these days

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stuartm:

Metro isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

i thought metro was microsoft

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wagnerrp:

their codename for the UI on Win8

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Bray90820:

i think it might actually be a mythtv probelum

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Bray90820:

because it was working until like 2 days ago

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: it was a bad joke

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Bray90820:

it was logging my logs then just stopped

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stuartm:

because of the similarity between Unity and Metro, and the generally negative response from many users towards both

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stuartm:

Bray90820: did you upgrade or anything?

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Bray90820:

no

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Bray90820:

all i did was watch stuff with my xbmc frontend

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stuartm:

the ubuntu guys are still the ones to talk to about getting a backtrace and filing a bug report, the procedure for this with packages is different on each distro

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stuartm:

they are friendly and helpful

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Bray90820:

i am talking to people at #mythbuntu already

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Bray90820:

but there not much help

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tgm4883:

Bray90820, it's been literally 1 minute

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Bray90820:

i actually asked them a while ago

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Bray90820:

like 12 hours ago

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tgm4883:

well being that I'm on 24/7 and my backlog goes back a few days I find it odd I can't find your name

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Bray90820:

ok ok you caught me :p

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wagnerrp:

i do recall him asking in here earlier

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wagnerrp:

but i don't idle in the other channel

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Bray90820:

i did ask here last night about 12 hours ago

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Bray90820:

and that one is true

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tgm4883:

i'm looking up info on getting a stack trace

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tgm4883:

Bray90820, is this 12.04?

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Bray90820:

yes

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Bray90820:

with mythtv 0.25.3

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wagnerrp:

wait, we had mythlogserver in 0.25? i thought that was 0.26 addition

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tgm4883:

You'll need to install whoopsie

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tgm4883:

then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Ubuntu_packages

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Bray90820:

sudo apt-get install woopsie

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Bray90820:

?

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Bray90820:

or is it not in the ubuntu software center

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Bray90820:

tgm4883 thank you

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Bray90820:

it worked

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Bray90820:

and apparently after fixing the logs my recordings work correctly

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louisdk:

sphery: It's digital. I can't find a way where I can do a scan with a proper freq table (or select Europe West). However I've downgraded to MythTV in the meantime. Thanks for help.

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Bray90820:

well the recordings do work but i am still getting

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Bray90820:

mythlogserver crashed with SIGSEGV in QObject::disconnect()

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justinh:

bah. my phone's browser is *way* too slow to use as a remote with a web app

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justinh:

might have to look at openremote instead now

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justinh:

or wait til my colleague optimises his native app to switch between remotes faster

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wagnerrp:

justinh: any chance your phone is using some remote server as a proxy?

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wagnerrp:

i found the rather queer behavior of having to log into mythweb last time i tried to use it on a kindle

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wagnerrp:

even though my web server is configured to only require a login when the connection comes from outside the network

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wagnerrp:

check the server logs, and they say the traffic was routed through some amazon server

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** justinh checks his apache log **

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justinh:

meh, not that

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justinh:

so there's a few hundres milliseconds of latency

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justinh:

but not from my laptop browser

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Bray90820:

why are some recording blue and some orange under recording rules

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justinh:

because the themer defined them so

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justinh:

is why :-)

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Bray90820:

so there really is no reason

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justinh:

wagnerrp: different browser, slightly faster with the stock browser. and the jquery animation is smoother

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justinh:

Bray90820: oh there's a reason alright

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justinh:

the colours mean different things. but what?

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Bray90820:

what is the reason

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Bray90820:

exactly what does it mean

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justinh:

they'll represent different states, like will record, a later showing will record instead..

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justinh:

but which colour means what is up to the theme

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justinh:

and whether or not that's documented somewhere is literally anyone's guess

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Bray90820:

hum

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I test drove openremote today. looks way more powerful than I'll ever need – and the remote editor is like WHOAH

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justinh:

it's got its own webserver.. and native iOS/droid/whatever apps

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Bray90820:

alright

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Bray90820:

thank you

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justinh:

Bray90820: so what theme are you using?

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Bray90820:

the brown/tan one

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Bray90820:

the default one

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justinh:

I can't remember what that's called

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justinh:

FYI it's not always the default

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justinh:

oh yeah. Terra

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Bray90820:

it was for me

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justinh:

can't see it, if it's there

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justinh:

I mean all the different rule states look like they use icons

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justinh:

any chance of a screenshot?

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justinh:

I was always against using different text colours to represent stuff like this

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justinh:

old themes used to turn the text red to mean something was recording

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justinh:

to me, red says 'error'... etc

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Bray90820:

it's not text color

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justinh:

so what is it then?

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Bray90820:

it's located to the left of the text

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Bray90820:

like a bar i guess

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justinh:

ahh

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justinh:

right. disabled is #9e9e9e

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Bray90820:

http://www.stlitguy.com/wp-content/uploads/20 . . . upcoming.png

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justinh:

warning is #ff9147

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justinh:

normal is #066aff

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Bray90820:

that's not my screenshot but its a good example of what i mean

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justinh:

and running is #33bf33" /> </shape>

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justinh:

oops

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Bray90820:

my colors or orange and blue

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tgm4883:

Bray90820, that is what he said

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justinh:

no idea really

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tgm4883:

#ff9147 and #066aff

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Bray90820:

?

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tgm4883:

orange and blue

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tgm4883:

#ff9147 and #066aff

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Bray90820:

who said

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justinh:

the theme xml defines images on the states

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Bray90820:

what's orange

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justinh:

in the screen you gave the screenshot for

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justinh:

probably WARNING

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Bray90820:

hum

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Bray90820:

so then something is wrong

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tgm4883:

#ff9147 is orange

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justinh:

for 2 pins all this stuff should be taken out. it's just confusing

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justinh:

tells me I never did get around to making a help popup thingy for this kind of thing

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justinh:

all these colours & icons are effectively useless without one

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Bray90820:

could orange mean that there are no episodes to recored in the near future

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justinh:

then it's down to whatever 'warning' means

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jebilbrey:

Running myth 0.26 and having a problem with user jobs... Trying to run this cmdline for a userjob: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/user_jobs/mythlink.pl --link /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/pretty --chanid %CHANID% --starttime %STARTTIME% --format '%T'

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Bray90820:

idk

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Bray90820:

or really care anymore

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justinh:

Bray90820: I dunno either

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jebilbrey:

Watching the mythbackend.log it says that the job runs successfully...but it doesn't actually create the pretty named file

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Bray90820:

if there is a problem when it tries to record i will just be back here

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justinh:

man, why do file browsers on linux SUCK these days?

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justinh:

Bray90820: yeah orange means warning

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justinh:

read means error

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justinh:

er red I mean

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justinh:

blue means normal

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justinh:

green means running

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justinh:

whatever these things all mean

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justinh:

personally I don't care about all these states so I didn't theme them

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Bray90820:

yea

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Bray90820:

i was really just asking because i was curious

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justinh:

well, that's natural

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justinh:

and wherever I can, I've put a key onscreen

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justinh:

where there's room

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justinh:

or I may have taken them out..

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justinh:

meh

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Bray90820:

i don't even use mythtv for my frontend anyway

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justinh:

oo get you ;-)

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Bray90820:

i use xbmc

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justinh:

right. warning basically means it probably won't record

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Bray90820:

whatever

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justinh:

or something with a higher priority may be recorded instead

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justinh:

man, I had to look in the source to find that out

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Bray90820:

lol

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justinh:

could mean you need MOARTUNERS

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Bray90820:

i doubt it

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Bray90820:

i have 3 already

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

3 isn't many

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Bray90820:

and my tivo picks up everything and that only has 2

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justinh:

maybe this is why I don't tend to care about the warnings etc.. cos I'd never see em

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justinh:

ah tivo, with its bippity bop boop sounds

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justinh:

bless its little sucky UI

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Bray90820:

it got a lot better when they added the HD interface

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justinh:

heh I've not seen that

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Bray90820:

http://www.hoyty.com/hoytyweblog/WindowsLiveW . . . 4bf122bc.png

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Bray90820:

theres a picture of it

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justinh:

oh. flash-based UI.. and er.. where is the animation? I was going to ask if they've ever heard of caching but these things don't have much RAM

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Bray90820:

128MB of ram

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justinh:

the UI they did for VirginMedia looks nicer IMHO

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Bray90820:

to be exact

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justinh:

yeah they ain't gonna be preloading many images with that

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Bray90820:

never mind that was the old model the one i have has 512BM

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Bray90820:

mb

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Bray90820:

but i say use something open source so you can create your own interface

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justinh:

or just use a cool one somebody else made

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Bray90820:

exactly

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Bray90820:

and the tivo recorded random stuff anyways

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Bray90820:

the stupid tivo suggestions

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Bray90820:

it was horable

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: ... ping

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Bray90820:

i couldn't figure out how to turn it for for like 2 weeks

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Bray90820:

and it would sugest stuff based on it's suggestions

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justinh:

heheh

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Bray90820:

like once i recorded Arthur for my cousin and then it started recording children's shows which was fine because it Arthur is a children's show

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Bray90820:

but one of those children's shows had a horse in it so it then started recording a bunch of western stuff

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justinh:

if anybody ever thought programming a harmony remote is fun, they ought to try openremote

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[R]:

lol

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jebilbrey:

hi, i'm trying to figure out a problem with mythlink.pl, anyone have some time to help me brainstorm things to look at?

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