| Saturday, January 12th, 2013, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:43] | Bray90820: | 0.25 is now installed |
| [00:00:48] | Bray90820: | thank you |
| [00:01:25] | tgm4883: | yw |
| [00:01:38] | tgm4883: | for some reason, you still had the 0.26 repo active |
| [00:01:55] | Bray90820: | no idea why |
| [00:02:11] | Bray90820: | if you dont mind can you also help me with a mysql error i am having |
| [00:02:35] | tgm4883: | I can try, although i'm at work attempting to install some software |
| [00:02:49] | tgm4883: | so you can ask, and I'll try to answer or wait for other people to jump in |
| [00:02:55] | Bray90820: | if you don't want to it's ok |
| [00:03:55] | tgm4883: | it's better to ask your question |
| [00:04:03] | tgm4883: | other people can't attempt to help you if you don't ask |
| [00:04:32] | Bray90820: | basically i have another computer with a front-end installed and i it can't seem to connect to my backend |
| [00:04:44] | Bray90820: | and it's saying that mysql lost connection |
| [00:05:24] | Bray90820: | and in mythtv control center mysql fails when i test connection |
| [00:05:27] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, IIRC, you are using 127.0.0.1 and/or localhost in your configuration right? |
| [00:06:20] | Bray90820: | i am using my actual IP for the backend |
| [00:06:55] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, you mean your private IP? |
| [00:06:57] | Bray90820: | if i change to 127.0.0.1 mythtv just completely freezers and i have to reastart my computer |
| [00:07:06] | tgm4883: | eg. 192.168.x.x? |
| [00:07:30] | Bray90820: | the IP of the computer with the backend on it is 192.168.1.8 and in mythtv backend i enter 192.168.1.8 |
| [00:07:47] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [00:08:12] | tgm4883: | do you know your mythtv username/password? |
| [00:08:16] | tgm4883: | username should be mythtv |
| [00:08:23] | tgm4883: | password is something generated |
| [00:11:04] | Bray90820: | yes i do know that |
| [00:11:13] | Bray90820: | but actually right now i am having even a 3rd error |
| [00:11:33] | tgm4883: | ... |
| [00:12:26] | Bray90820: | when i reinstalled mythtv 0.25 i also wiped the database but now i am in an endless loop of where the front-end keeps restarting and has me configure it because it cant connect to the database |
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| [00:14:15] | Bray90820: | this is how i did it |
| [00:14:16] | Bray90820: | mysql -u root -p |
| [00:14:18] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, so.... your database password probably changed then |
| [00:14:22] | Bray90820: | DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg; |
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| [00:16:14] | Bray90820: | so should i check the passwords aganst each other and see if tehy are the same |
| [00:17:18] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, do you even have a mythconverg database right now? |
| [00:17:31] | Bray90820: | i don't know |
| [00:17:48] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, just out of curiosity, are you just randomly entering commands that you find on the internet? |
| [00:18:09] | Bray90820: | not exactly |
| [00:18:28] | Bray90820: | what i was trying to do is reset mythtv to default settings |
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| [00:21:40] | Bray90820: | but what should i do about this error |
| [00:21:59] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, you're really trying to get a scenario in which I just say start from scratch aren't you |
| [00:22:25] | Bray90820: | no |
| [00:22:38] | tgm4883: | !stab remmina |
| [00:22:41] | Bray90820: | right now i am just trying to get things working |
| [00:23:05] | Bray90820: | i want the backend to work and i want it to be able to connect to my xbmc frontend |
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| [00:23:11] | tgm4883: | ok, so how about this |
| [00:23:39] | tgm4883: | Try [1] sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it later) [2] sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database [3] sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common |
| [00:23:40] | MythLogBot: | SVN 1: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/ce7a5f62 |
| [00:23:40] | MythLogBot: | SVN 2: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/654df684 |
| [00:23:40] | MythLogBot: | No match for SVN revision 3 |
| [00:23:48] | tgm4883: | thanks MythLogBot |
| [00:24:58] | Bray90820: | sorry for being such a noob |
| [00:25:07] | Bray90820: | it's really my first time with mythtv |
| [00:26:22] | tgm4883: | once you do those three things, login to mysql 'mysql -u root -p' then do 'show databases;' and see if it lists mythconverg |
| [00:28:16] | Bray90820: | host mysql server resides in |
| [00:28:23] | Bray90820: | should i leave it localhost |
| [00:28:36] | tgm4883: | yes, assuming you are doing this on the backend |
| [00:28:47] | Bray90820: | yes i am |
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| [00:30:27] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, It's time for me to head home, and it will take me about 20–30 minutes to get there |
| [00:30:38] | Bray90820: | alright |
| [00:30:42] | Bray90820: | mythconverg is there by the way |
| [00:30:45] | Bray90820: | and i ahve to go as well |
| [00:30:54] | Bray90820: | i'll be back in like 3 hours |
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| [01:32:59] | Seeker: | Seems my cards have completely lost the ability to tune |
| [01:33:14] | Seeker: | Tried using the 'scan' utility and I can't get anything (WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!) |
| [01:33:17] | Seeker: | any suggestions? |
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| [02:17:19] | Seeker: | I'm completely stumped. None of the command line dvb utilities return anything useful. |
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| [04:37:53] | Bray90820: | anyone wanna tell me why mysql connection fails when i test the connection in mythtv control center |
| [04:38:38] | [R]: | "mythtv control center" is not part of the mythtv project |
| [04:41:00] | Bray90820: | well see my problem is i can't connect mythbox which is a mythtv frontend for xbmc |
| [04:41:08] | Bray90820: | and i think it's a probelum with my backend |
| [04:41:31] | [R]: | when you start the backend, does it give errors in the log? |
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| [04:41:59] | Bray90820: | i'll check |
| [04:48:00] | Bray90820: | no errors that i can find |
| [04:48:05] | Bray90820: | well no recent ones anyways |
| [04:48:10] | [R]: | then sounds like the backend is fine |
| [04:48:27] | Bray90820: | alright |
| [04:48:36] | Bray90820: | then it is he xbmc addon |
| [04:49:25] | Bray90820: | do you by any chance know anything about mythbox for xbmc |
| [04:50:05] | Bray90820: | you already told me that |
| [04:50:09] | Bray90820: | nevermind |
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| [05:37:56] | pierce71588: | What kind of broadband would be needed for full HD content? I am running ethernet over power and am getting about 40Mbps, is that enough? |
| [05:40:52] | pierce71588: | Bandwidth** |
| [05:41:34] | [R]: | "full hd" says nothing |
| [05:41:50] | pierce71588: | Bluray quality |
| [05:41:51] | wagnerrp: | "full HD" content will run you just shy of 600Mbps |
| [05:41:59] | wagnerrp: | but X11 overhead |
| [05:42:10] | wagnerrp: | i wouldn't attempt it on anything short of gigabit |
| [05:44:36] | pierce71588: | @wagnerrp: Do you mean you wouldn't attempt bluray for anything short of a gigabit? or "full HD" ? |
| [05:45:10] | wagnerrp: | i wouldn't attempt "full hd" on anything short of gigabit |
| [05:45:28] | wagnerrp: | bluray content would be just fine on 10/100 network, but 40Mbps powerline is a bit anemic |
| [05:45:53] | wagnerrp: | bluray content will push up to 48Mbps for a single program |
| [05:46:04] | wagnerrp: | averaging closer to 30Mbps or so |
| [05:47:08] | wagnerrp: | "full hd" video, defined as 1920x1080@24 YUV will run just under 600Mbps |
| [05:48:01] | wagnerrp: | and there will be considerable X11 protocol overhead if trying to do so |
| [05:49:47] | pierce71588: | Hmm okay great. Should I be able to use iftop to see how much bandwidth I am using to see if that is my issue? |
| [05:50:07] | wagnerrp: | if you're only benchmarking 40Mbps, that will be your issue |
| [05:50:29] | wagnerrp: | your best bet is to run proper ethernet |
| [05:51:00] | pierce71588: | Hmm, ya I was kind of afraid of that, not sure if that is really possible. |
| [05:51:00] | wagnerrp: | or at the very least, get more modern PLN gear |
| [05:51:36] | pierce71588: | Well, the one that I got said it could do 200Mbps, but, most comments on all of them say they don't get close to what they claim |
| [05:51:49] | wagnerrp: | that sounds about right |
| [05:52:36] | wagnerrp: | 200Mbps is the protocol bitrate |
| [05:53:00] | wagnerrp: | which due to all kinds of error recovery and collision issues, the actual data throughput is something far far less |
| [05:53:10] | pierce71588: | Well maybe I should check and do some more research on that front. |
| [05:54:56] | pierce71588: | I also am running this as a front end: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004WO8O9Y/r . . . _o01_s00_i00 it claims that it can do HD content, but as you said, HD can mean a wide range of things. Unfortunately, I have had a hard time finding a lot of small media PCs. Do you know of any decent ones? |
| [05:55:29] | pierce71588: | A lot of information in the wiki about front ends really seems outdated unfortunately. |
| [05:55:34] | wagnerrp: | the Atom CPU can't really handle much of anything HD |
| [05:55:50] | wagnerrp: | the only way to do HD on that box is with VDPAU hardware acceleration using the nVidia graphics |
| [05:56:07] | wagnerrp: | which means you're limited to whatever the capabilities of that hardware decoder happen to be |
| [05:56:46] | wagnerrp: | you should have no trouble doing bluray, assuming that is content losslessly ripped directly off the disc |
| [05:59:40] | pierce71588: | Okay well I will do some research on VDPAU and see where I can get with that. As I said, I also am open to getting a better front end, unfortunately, I can't seem to find any in small form factor. I would build one, but again I really like the small form factors for it. |
| [06:03:10] | pierce71588: | well thanks for the help! I will take a look at what you suggested |
| [06:06:39] | Bray90820: | how would i define a hostname in my backend |
| [06:07:01] | wagnerrp: | the hostname is automatically pulled from the system environment |
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| [06:07:14] | wagnerrp: | if you want to force your own in place of the default, you can do that in your config.xml |
| [06:07:22] | wagnerrp: | with the LocalHostName parameter |
| [06:07:49] | Bray90820: | how would i find the host name |
| [06:08:13] | wagnerrp: | run `hostname` on the terminal |
| [06:08:13] | Bray90820: | hostname |
| [06:08:37] | wagnerrp: | yes, that's the name of the command |
| [06:08:57] | Bray90820: | if i type in hostname it gives me the hostname of the computer |
| [06:09:03] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [06:09:16] | Bray90820: | how would i find the mythtv hostname |
| [06:09:41] | wagnerrp: | that is the name mythtv uses to index settings and data in the database |
| [06:09:50] | wagnerrp: | unless you specify otherwise in your config.xml |
| [06:10:14] | Bray90820: | but how would i find my mythtv hostname |
| [06:10:47] | wagnerrp: | i don't understand what you want to know |
| [06:10:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesn't use hostnames, it uses IP addresses |
| [06:11:02] | Bray90820: | what my mythtv hostname is |
| [06:11:12] | wagnerrp: | the hostnames are only used as a key for database information |
| [06:11:23] | Bray90820: | well then i am very confused |
| [06:11:28] | wagnerrp: | as am i |
| [06:11:51] | wagnerrp: | think of your hostname as a profile name |
| [06:12:04] | wagnerrp: | all your settings are stored against that profile name in the database |
| [06:12:11] | Bray90820: | i am using mythbox on xbmc as a frontend for mythtv and it wants my hostname |
| [06:12:14] | wagnerrp: | including the IP addresses to be used for that profile |
| [06:12:40] | wagnerrp: | when you want to connect to a mythtv machine, you look up the IP address for that profile in the database |
| [06:12:51] | wagnerrp: | you dont need to know the hostname |
| [06:13:00] | wagnerrp: | because the database tells you all the machines that are available for access |
| [06:13:17] | Bray90820: | that would be the IP of the computer that is running the backend right? |
| [06:13:25] | wagnerrp: | what would? |
| [06:14:00] | Bray90820: | im the IP address for that profile in the database |
| [06:14:09] | Bray90820: | not i'm |
| [06:14:13] | Bray90820: | forget i'm |
| [06:14:14] | wagnerrp: | running a backend, yes |
| [06:14:18] | Bray90820: | ok |
| [06:14:19] | wagnerrp: | you can have several backends |
| [06:14:30] | Bray90820: | then why is mythbox faling to connect to mysql |
| [06:14:38] | Bray90820: | i only have 1 backend |
| [06:14:41] | wagnerrp: | that's something you would need to ask the xbmc folks |
| [06:14:58] | wagnerrp: | mysql is a completely independent entity from your backend |
| [06:15:17] | wagnerrp: | just like your frontend and backend can exist on different machines, so can your database |
| [06:15:43] | Bray90820: | yea that's what i have right now |
| [06:15:51] | Bray90820: | different machines |
| [06:16:27] | Bray90820: | what i am thinking is there is something wrong with mysql on my backend computer because in mythtv control center when i try to test the conencting of mysql it fails |
| [06:17:18] | wagnerrp: | did you configure your mysql server to listen on the network? |
| [06:17:38] | wagnerrp: | did you create remote credentials to allow remote machines to log in over the network? |
| [06:17:54] | Bray90820: | yes i did |
| [06:18:29] | Bray90820: | i used... |
| [06:18:29] | Bray90820: | sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5 |
| [06:19:35] | wagnerrp: | i used "vim my.cnf; /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server restart" |
| [06:19:56] | wagnerrp: | but if dpkg can do what you need, more power to you |
| [06:20:41] | Bray90820: | that's just the code they gave on earlier to use |
| [06:20:47] | Bray90820: | on here earlyer |
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| [06:22:11] | Bray90820: | so then what would be wrong with mysql |
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| [06:37:03] | Bray90820: | well i found out what the error was |
| [06:37:35] | Bray90820: | apperently mythtv 0.25+ doesn't support mythbox |
| [06:38:04] | wagnerrp: | no version of mythtv has ever supported mythbox |
| [06:38:48] | wagnerrp: | that's not how 3rd party applications work |
| [06:39:02] | wagnerrp: | 3rd party utilities are supposed to support the first party stuff |
| [06:39:05] | Bray90820: | i ment the other way around |
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| [06:39:23] | ** wagnerrp heads to be ** | |
| [06:39:23] | wagnerrp: | d |
| [06:39:43] | Bray90820: | mythbox doesn't support mythtv 0.25+ |
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| [10:04:08] | Seeker`: | Both my DVB-T and DVB-S2 tuner cards stopped being able to get a lock on anything between 2am and 6pm yesterday. I've since tried all of the different dvb-related command line utilities I can find and they are unable to detect any channels at all. I know the aerial is still good as a TV in the house can still recieve DVB-T. Both cards worked perfectly up until that point. |
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| [10:07:21] | wizbit: | Seeker`: try re-tuning the channels on a different multiplex |
| [10:07:56] | wizbit: | check to see if there are any problems with the transmitter, maybe engineering works |
| [10:09:20] | Seeker`: | wizbit, I've tried using tools like w_scan to tune all frequencies, and there isn't anything on any of them apparently. No reported engineering works on any of the transmitters nearby |
| [10:09:42] | wizbit: | shutdown your machine, remove the power |
| [10:09:54] | wizbit: | reboot so it puts the firmware back in fresh |
| [10:10:01] | wizbit: | a cold boot |
| [10:10:05] | Seeker`: | did that, ensured that the nova-t 500 was detected in a cold state |
| [10:10:51] | SteveGoodey: | DVB-T and DVB-S2 are different platforms, Over the air/Satellite. Seems odd both should go down at the same time! |
| [10:10:52] | wizbit: | are you sure your antena is ok |
| [10:11:39] | Seeker`: | what SteveGoodey said. Plus another TV in the house can get DVB-T ok |
| [10:12:21] | wizbit: | seems strange to have 2x dead cards |
| [10:12:30] | wizbit: | can you remove a card and test it on another pc? |
| [10:13:43] | Seeker`: | probably, but it would involve moving a PC to be closer to a socket. Havent' tried that yet as I only started looking in to the problem at about 11pm last night |
| [10:15:00] | wizbit: | maybe your pci bus has a fault |
| [10:15:37] | wizbit: | dmesg says the card is ok? |
| [10:15:41] | Seeker`: | yup |
| [10:15:53] | wizbit: | strange |
| [10:16:16] | Seeker`: | Thats what I thought. I'm completely stumped |
| [10:16:23] | wizbit: | maybe a solar flair from the sun struck down and hit your pc |
| [10:17:19] | Seeker`: | only other problem with the PC is that a drive is dying according to SMART |
| [10:17:47] | Seeker`: | but thats a storage drive which I have removed from all storage groups now |
| [10:20:41] | wizbit: | test the card on another pc if possible |
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| [11:31:04] | Igramul: | hi, is there a plugin for myth that notifies me about an incomming call via SIP? |
| [11:31:17] | Igramul: | or any other plugin that just displays a message? |
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| [11:46:04] | dekarl1: | Igramul: there was http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythPhone but now there is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythMessage |
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| [13:03:45] | Igramul: | dekarl: thanks |
| [13:05:47] | Igramul: | Now I can display the caller ID on the TV set :) |
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| [16:05:01] | Seeker`: | So, my DVB-T and DVB-S2 cards have both stopped getting a lock. I tried them both in a different machine, same result. I tried plugging a TV in to the socket, I get a signal. Are my cards dead? |
| [16:08:35] | tonsofpcs: | my money's on you're probably doing something wrong |
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| [16:10:18] | Seeker`: | tonsofpcs, both cards were working flawlessly for probably about a year before yesterday |
| [16:10:59] | Seeker`: | they suddenly stopped tuning between about 2am friday morning and 6pm friday evening, during which time noone did anything with either the frontend or the backend |
| [16:11:17] | Seeker`: | I've tried all of the different command line tools, none of them are able to tune a channel |
| [16:11:41] | dekarl: | did you update something? was there lightning in your area? are there road works around (excavator hitting power lines) |
| [16:12:07] | dekarl: | thinking that some rubbish on your powerline might have done something to them |
| [16:12:28] | Seeker`: | dekarl, no autoupdates, noone had any interaction with the system between last working and the recording failing, no lightning that I am aware of |
| [16:12:59] | Seeker`: | thinking a power surge fried them or something? |
| [16:14:02] | dekarl: | just an idea (but a linux kernel api change was just as likely) |
| [16:14:25] | dekarl: | after all it has to be something that affects both DVB-S and -T |
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| [16:14:47] | dekarl: | hmm, is that a shared installation with DVB-S and DVB-T on the same cable? (Unicable) |
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| [16:17:34] | Seeker`: | no |
| [16:17:43] | Seeker`: | well, they come from the same wall point |
| [16:17:54] | Seeker`: | but there are two sockets, one dvb-t and one dvb-s |
| [16:18:04] | Seeker`: | what they do behind the faceplate I dont know |
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| [16:18:45] | Seeker`: | I'm running ubuntu, so I suspect that if there was a kernel change which broke dvb, I wouldn't be the only one with this problem |
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| [16:20:14] | dekarl: | but you did not have to apply the patch from #9726 to get 3/4 of your DVB-S channels working ;) |
| [16:20:14] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9726 ** | |
| [16:29:45] | tonsofpcs: | Seeker`: have you changed how they are fed? could be a cable or a balun failure. |
| [16:30:16] | tonsofpcs: | and your tv may be more/less sensitive than these cards |
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| [16:44:40] | EvilGuru: | Is EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO still required in 0.25? |
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| [21:29:55] | ViperSBT: | Well I have to "rebuild" my MythTV.... My HD had a SATA failure and I couldn't recover it, so time to start over... This box was F16... |
| [21:30:16] | ViperSBT: | What recommendations would any of you give for building a more "bullet proof" configuration? |
| [21:30:45] | ViperSBT: | I recently put in a 3TB NAS which I will put all the recodings and movies on, so I shouldn't need much drive space on the box... |
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| [21:31:47] | wagnerrp: | why not put the drives in the backend, put the backend in the basement operating as a NAS, and discard the NAS? |
| [21:32:06] | ViperSBT: | The NAS is serving other functions within the house... |
| [21:32:24] | wagnerrp: | make the backend a general purpose server that serves those same functions |
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| [21:33:15] | ViperSBT: | Yeah, but I already got them in place... I guess I could through a bunch of drives in it, I have a spare RAID controller and several 1TB drives... |
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| [21:33:57] | wagnerrp: | with a halfway decent CPU, there is little reason for a dedicated RAID controller |
| [21:34:15] | wagnerrp: | those are more to offload the CPU load and software configuration on lower end systems |
| [21:34:22] | ViperSBT: | I'm just saying I got the board laying around... |
| [21:34:52] | ViperSBT: | CPU is AMD 6200 |
| [21:35:10] | ViperSBT: | Barely use any processing power at all... FX1800 for the video card |
| [21:36:02] | wagnerrp: | quite a bit of overkill |
| [21:36:03] | ViperSBT: | InfiniTV adapter for the cable, wich does most of the recording work |
| [21:36:08] | wagnerrp: | (on the GPU) |
| [21:36:22] | ViperSBT: | Yeah, picked it up cheap off E-Bay |
| [21:38:03] | ViperSBT: | I guess I could put all the non-media stuff on a small drive and have it image/backup itself nightly so if this happened again, it would be simply to recreate that drive and not effect anything else? |
| [21:38:19] | wagnerrp: | or mirror it |
| [21:38:41] | wagnerrp: | all my non-media stuff is stored on a pair of old 320GB drives |
| [21:39:03] | ViperSBT: | Yeah! Hmmm... I guess I will get started... Any thing I should be aware of with Myth and F17 or F18? |
| [21:39:04] | wagnerrp: | although they've long since been showing their age in performance |
| [21:39:17] | wagnerrp: | and i'm a bit cautious on how much longer i can expect them to reliably run |
| [21:39:33] | wagnerrp: | they've got to be ~6yrs old or so |
| [21:39:42] | ViperSBT: | Yeah, you are pushing it... |
| [21:40:45] | ViperSBT: | Thanks for the chat and thoughts Wagnerrp |
| [21:40:46] | wagnerrp: | the plan is to either replace them with a pair of SSDs, or maybe a pair of rotating drives and an SSD as cache |
| [21:40:49] | wagnerrp: | haven't yet decided |
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| [21:41:14] | ViperSBT: | I did an SSD for my Bro-in-law.... great performance, but a little buggy sometimes... |
| [21:41:14] | wagnerrp: | my backend runs ZFS, and ZFS allows you to define an SSD as an extended disk cache |
| [21:41:38] | wagnerrp: | much like the "hybrid" drives on the market, but with a whole lot more smarts behind it |
| [21:41:40] | FnC: | afternoone all |
| [21:42:12] | FnC: | im running .26 and trying to get the remove commericals script to work as a user job... but it errors out.. not much in the backend log except an error |
| [21:42:22] | wagnerrp: | remove commercials script? |
| [21:42:25] | FnC: | when i run the same command i get the following... which looks like the error |
| [21:42:29] | wagnerrp: | mythcommflag is an application |
| [21:42:35] | wagnerrp: | as is mythtranscode |
| [21:42:36] | FnC: | wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Script_-_RemoveCommercials |
| [21:42:55] | FnC: | 2013-01–12 15:37:15.955272 E No program data exists for channel 1271 at 20130111182900 |
| [21:42:55] | FnC: | Commercial flagging failed for 1271_20130112002900.mpg with error 146 |
| [21:43:07] | wagnerrp: | eew... are you sure you really want to be using that? |
| [21:43:23] | FnC: | ...thought i would try it |
| [21:43:32] | wagnerrp: | it means you're blindly accepting whatever choices are made by the commercial detector, and permanently applying them to your recordings |
| [21:43:36] | FnC: | ....my main goal is hopefully to remove commecials |
| [21:43:51] | wagnerrp: | no such behavior is built in, because the developers of that commercial detector don't trust it |
| [21:43:54] | FnC: | ...yeah, but it says the script makes a backup of the original. so i thought i would see how good it is |
| [21:44:15] | wagnerrp: | why bother removing the commercials if you're just going to make a backup? |
| [21:44:18] | FnC: | i dont use the frontend so much... and would like a way to do this... |
| [21:44:34] | FnC: | thats what im saying, is that it makes a backup in case it doesnt do a good job... |
| [21:44:50] | wagnerrp: | right, and you end up with close to twice the used disk space |
| [21:44:52] | FnC: | here is my ultimate goal... and maybe you can give some better advise |
| [21:45:15] | FnC: | well.. if it doesnt work i can copy it back, if after time its doing a good job, i can delete the orignals |
| [21:46:30] | wagnerrp: | the only logging that will produce is on the terminal |
| [21:46:31] | FnC: | anyway... i have mythbackend setup with 2 hdhomeruns, and record only HD OTA... (which ive heard does a decent job autodetecting commericals this way) so i have 3 physical tuners, and 4 virtual ones (or whatever they are called) But only 7 show up and not all 8 (not sure whats up with that- but ill save that for another time) |
| [21:46:38] | wagnerrp: | and the jobqueue discards any output from the terminal |
| [21:46:47] | wagnerrp: | so if you run it through the jobqueue, there will be no logging |
| [21:47:07] | FnC: | ultimately i would like to strip commercials, and encode to mkv, and end up with files that are like 1.8–2g instead of 6g + |
| [21:47:34] | wagnerrp: | remuxing to mkv won't get you that much, maybe a few percent over MPEG2 PS |
| [21:48:08] | wagnerrp: | cutting commercials, and dropping to a PS from a TS, will cut you down from 6–7GB to around 4–4.5GB per recording |
| [21:48:43] | wagnerrp: | which is what running mythtranscode losslessly with a cutlist will do |
| [21:48:47] | FnC: | so then heres the questions, these folks that download the ones for the internet that are like 2G, how do they look so good and are still out 1080p |
| [21:49:29] | wagnerrp: | h264 is designed to run around twice the compression efficiency as MPEG2 |
| [21:49:53] | wagnerrp: | in practice, with good quality settings and a good compressor, you can get maybe 3x the compression efficiency, while achieving the same quality |
| [21:50:10] | wagnerrp: | but that is compressing both from the same master copy, which you don't have access to |
| [21:50:17] | FnC: | so these are mpeg-ts whats the difference to PS? |
| [21:50:37] | wagnerrp: | since you're recompressing a recompression, best to stick closer to 2x, or as you mentioned, around 2GB, down from 4GB |
| [21:50:51] | wagnerrp: | MPEG-TS and MPEG-PS are containers, defined by the MPEG format |
| [21:51:16] | wagnerrp: | MPEG covers a whole range of audio and video compression, text, images, and packing |
| [21:51:30] | wagnerrp: | TS and PS are alternatives to mkv |
| [21:51:37] | FnC: | i thought these were were uncompressed? |
| [21:51:46] | wagnerrp: | no, not by a long shot |
| [21:52:17] | FnC: | So HD OTA is compressed? |
| [21:52:21] | wagnerrp: | uncompressed 1080i30 is around 1.1Gbps |
| [21:52:50] | wagnerrp: | no, 750Gbps |
| [21:52:54] | wagnerrp: | fudged the keypad |
| [21:52:59] | wagnerrp: | Mbps |
| [21:53:15] | wagnerrp: | by comparison, the actual video you record is going to be a mere 15Mbps or so |
| [21:53:29] | wagnerrp: | almost 50:1 compression |
| [21:53:51] | wagnerrp: | and that's on top of the existing colorspace compression, making it actually 100:1 over uncompressed RGB |
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| [21:54:44] | FnC: | what is that number your saying 1.1GBPbps 750Gbps, 12MBps – like if it were a sheadsheet column header? what would that be called? |
| [21:54:45] | wagnerrp: | most commercial media is what is called YUV, where instead of having three color channels of red, green, and blue, you have one B/W channel, and a pair of color channels |
| [21:55:01] | wagnerrp: | the B/W channel comes in at full 1920x1080 resolution |
| [21:55:12] | wagnerrp: | but the two color channels are only 960x540 resolution |
| [21:55:21] | FnC: | overall bit rate? |
| [21:55:38] | wagnerrp: | so where RGB video takes 24 bits per pixel, YUV420 only takes 12 |
| [21:56:13] | wagnerrp: | 1920x1080i30 RGB is 1.5Gbps, the compressed YUV is then 750Mbps |
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| [21:56:48] | wagnerrp: | the YUV video is then compressed with MPEG2 down to around 12–16Mbps for broadcasting |
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| [22:00:35] | FnC: | i see |
| [22:03:24] | FnC: | so its already been compressed by the time ive recorded it |
| [22:03:30] | wagnerrp: | heavily |
| [22:04:37] | FnC: | for a good high qaulity archive i mean cutting commericals, getting rid of the spanish track and the text tracks... it gunna save me say 2 out of 8g and get me down to like 6 or so? |
| [22:04:38] | wagnerrp: | if the broadcasters were using h264, like you see sometimes in Europe, IPTV, or with some satellite or cable providers, those bitrates would be down around 6–8Mbps |
| [22:05:29] | wagnerrp: | you shouldn't be hitting 8GB/hr, since that would basically mean there is only the one channel on the mux |
| [22:05:33] | wagnerrp: | which is fairly rare |
| [22:05:46] | wagnerrp: | 5–7GB/hr is more common |
| [22:06:16] | wagnerrp: | figure with commercial clipping, removing extra channels, remuxing to a more efficient container, you'll cut that down by around 30–40% |
| [22:06:35] | FnC: | 7405506684 |
| [22:06:43] | FnC: | -h is 6.9 |
| [22:07:02] | FnC: | but others are 6.1G or so |
| [22:07:12] | wagnerrp: | "-h"? |
| [22:07:19] | wagnerrp: | oh, human readable |
| [22:07:20] | FnC: | human readable |
| [22:07:25] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [22:07:43] | wagnerrp: | 7GB is the high side, 6GB is much more common |
| [22:08:06] | FnC: | so still how to get that down to closer to 2 gb |
| [22:08:20] | FnC: | er less than 3 without loosing too much video quality? |
| [22:08:41] | wagnerrp: | to get down to 2GB, you'll need to recompress |
| [22:08:43] | wagnerrp: | what CPU do you have? |
| [22:09:15] | FnC: | looks like this one is a AMD Phenom(tm) 9550 Quad-Core Processor |
| [22:09:33] | FnC: | last one, couldnt handle stuff, so i updated to this.. its a bit oolder i know |
| [22:09:57] | FnC: | you want the flags? |
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| [22:10:04] | FnC: | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs npt lbrv svm_lock |
| [22:11:00] | Sharky112065: | I think I read that the hdhr4 comming up soon will have h.264. :) |
| [22:11:17] | wagnerrp: | good quality encoding running quad-core on that processor is likely going to do well under 10fps |
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| [22:11:32] | FnC: | is that why they been getting cheap... |
| [22:11:50] | wagnerrp: | they've been getting cheap just due to volume |
| [22:11:53] | FnC: | wagnerrp: im a bit new with is.. is that a good? |
| [22:12:16] | FnC: | ..i got 4 hdhomeruns now.. two of the old gray ones, and two of the new lil baclk ones |
| [22:12:21] | FnC: | just using the new ones for now |
| [22:12:30] | wagnerrp: | FnC: that means your CPU running full out is going to take maybe 4–5 hours to encode each hour of recording |
| [22:12:44] | FnC: | thats cool... its got nothing else to do |
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| [22:13:04] | wagnerrp: | well just think, it's using a whole lot more electricity running full out than it is idling |
| [22:13:19] | wagnerrp: | especially if you have it configured to go into standby when not in use |
| [22:13:21] | FnC: | yeah, but for long term storage... |
| [22:13:29] | FnC: | no standby.. |
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| [22:13:42] | wagnerrp: | for long term storage, hard drives are going to cost you a few cents per GB |
| [22:13:58] | FnC: | im at 28T right now |
| [22:14:16] | FnC: | and should be over 50 when i finish up running badblocks on stuff |
| [22:14:23] | FnC: | add and expand the arry |
| [22:14:26] | wagnerrp: | badblocks? |
| [22:14:33] | FnC: | i run it on my discs when i get them |
| [22:14:50] | wagnerrp: | some kind of burn in test? |
| [22:14:58] | FnC: | just to make sure nothing is fubard out of the box, so i can return them before i rip open the enclosure |
| [22:15:03] | wagnerrp: | just to load it up and make sure it's not going to fail |
| [22:15:15] | FnC: | since they arent selling the 3tb i want bare |
| [22:17:14] | FnC: | yeah it just runs like 4 different patterns to the disc to make sure there are no bad blocks on the device |
| [22:17:48] | FnC: | figure its worth the time before i "void" the warranty, even though i am running raid 6 |
| [22:18:06] | FnC: | if i end up with one that has a few hundered badblocks its going back |
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| [22:18:53] | FnC: | but yeah it writes, reads, and compares.. so its a pretty good thorough test |
| [22:19:38] | FnC: | my mythbackend only has about 4T, so thats why i want to get stuff smaller and archive it off... |
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| [22:21:20] | FnC: | wagnerrp: So it really sounds like i need to:1) run mythcommflag 2) sit down at a frontend and see how that did, and make changes |
| [22:21:34] | FnC: | i guess there is no way around this, to do things easier or from a command line |
| [22:21:59] | wagnerrp: | defining the cutlist in the editor in the frontend usually only takes a few minutes per show |
| [22:22:27] | FnC: | from there i would want to strip out the cutlist, and the spanish audio track right? |
| [22:22:35] | FnC: | and transcode? |
| [22:22:51] | wagnerrp: | from there, run a lossless transcode |
| [22:23:07] | wagnerrp: | i believe it drops the secondary audio tracks in the process |
| [22:23:09] | FnC: | ...or is there a way to not even record the span track to begin with? |
| [22:23:17] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [22:23:32] | FnC: | what about the multiple txt channels? |
| [22:23:53] | wagnerrp: | those likely have no data of significance in them to worry about |
| [22:24:13] | FnC: | ok |
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| [22:25:20] | FnC: | when i look in mythweb, i see a transcode button now... but no way to tell if thats doing a lossless |
| [22:25:38] | wagnerrp: | it uses whatever the default transcode profile for that recording rule is |
| [22:26:16] | FnC: | so im probably better off scripting something to run transcodes overnight, from the command line? |
| [22:26:28] | FnC: | after ive done the cutlist by hand |
| [22:26:48] | wagnerrp: | if you want to transcode, write some script that incorporates the lossless and lossy steps all in one |
| [22:27:06] | wagnerrp: | or skip the lossless alltogether, and use a lossy transcode you can define a cutlist for |
| [22:27:45] | FnC: | benefits of doing it one way or another? |
| [22:28:02] | wagnerrp: | the first way will be easier, the second will be slightly faster by a few minutes |
| [22:28:21] | FnC: | but both same quality in the end? |
| [22:28:30] | wagnerrp: | in theory |
| [22:29:22] | FnC: | so if what i got gives me a 1 hour show but will take 4hours to transcode... is there a reasonablly priced CPU out there, that will get things way quicker?? |
| [22:29:49] | wagnerrp: | anything better will require new board and new memory as well |
| [22:29:58] | FnC: | i get that... |
| [22:30:17] | FnC: | just wonder if its like a 800 $ cpu, to get me a show done in 30 mins... or something liek 200 |
| [22:30:37] | wagnerrp: | for transcoding, you're better off with the old Phenom II units, or something intel |
| [22:31:11] | wagnerrp: | note that the current bulldozer chips only have one FPU for each two integer units |
| [22:31:20] | wagnerrp: | and transcoding is FPU heavy |
| [22:31:43] | wagnerrp: | so even though one might be reported as an 8-core chip, it will behave like a 4-core chip in terms of performance |
| [22:31:59] | wagnerrp: | an older 6-core STARS (phenom II) chip would do better |
| [22:32:50] | FnC: | what kind of times would i get for a 1 hour show with those |
| [22:33:56] | wagnerrp: | figure a phenom 2 will do modestly better per clock than a phenom, and an ivy bridge will do considerably better per clock |
| [22:34:07] | wagnerrp: | then just scale linearly based off clockrate and core count |
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| [22:34:48] | FnC: | so ivy bridge > phenom 2 6 core > phenom quad core |
| [22:35:10] | wagnerrp: | assuming the ivy bridge part is a quad core or better |
| [22:35:33] | wagnerrp: | my 3.3GHz dual core would underperform one of the 6-core phenom 2s |
| [22:36:25] | wagnerrp: | a bulldozer will do better than a phenom 2 per clock, but figure you need to halve the advertised core count (or use the "module" count) |
| [22:38:17] | FnC: | i see... well i might have to revisit that when its time |
| [22:38:35] | FnC: | a little disapointed that its gunna take 4 hours though ;-/ |
| [22:39:56] | wagnerrp: | video encoding is very much non-trivial, and very much asymmetric |
| [22:40:04] | wagnerrp: | it takes a long longer to encode than it does to decode |
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| [23:17:33] | swalberg: | Hi, I'm trying to get a mceusb device working as a blaster on Mythbuntu (12.04.1). I've configured it in the control centre, it's detected by the kernel and has the mceusb module loaded, it can receive signals, but I can't get it to transmit. irsend SEND_ONCE DCT2000 ADOWN doesn't give any errors but also doesn't appear to send anything to the STB (or, if it's sent, it's not received.) I don't know where I should look next, does anyone have some |
| [23:17:33] | swalberg: | advice? |
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| [23:18:33] | swalberg: | lsusb reports it as a " ID 1934:5168 Feature Integration Technology Inc. (Fintek) F71610A or F71612A Consumer Infrared Receiver/Transceiver", most of what I can find by Googling is old stuff where that USB id wasn't recognized by the kernel which is not the case here |
| [23:21:09] | swalberg: | lirc config, if it helps: https://gist.github.com/4520978 |
| [23:28:28] | FnC: | So i got my cutlist now, and was gunna transcode this, but dont see anywhee to remove the second audio track |
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