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Wednesday, January 9th, 2013, 00:00 UTC
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[00:03:07] justinh: right. time for bedski
[00:04:37] whyzzyrd: aye
[00:04:42] whyzzyrd: that it is
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[00:17:09] swalberg: Can someone point me to how I map the remote buttons pressed (e.g. 00000000000053fe 00 ADOWN DCT2000) to actions for the frontend (I assume in ~/.lirc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?) I don't have a remote for my mceusb receiver but it appears to receive signals from the remote for the cable box, I just can't figure out how to translate
[00:24:41] wagnerrp: you run irrecord to create an lircd.conf
[00:25:07] swalberg: The system already seems to have it in motorola/dctxxxx.conf
[00:25:40] swalberg: which I think I'm loading (it's in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf and irw is returning the name of the keys from that file)
[00:25:47] wagnerrp: mythtv reads the .lircrc, in order to interpret the commands from lircd
[00:26:00] wagnerrp: lircd loads lircd.conf to interpret the commands from the receiver
[00:26:12] wagnerrp: it's two separate steps
[00:26:26] wagnerrp: you have to make sure you're putting the correct files in the correct locations
[00:27:45] swalberg: Yea, .lircrc includes a bunch of files including .lirc/mythtv, which has a bunch of mappings, but they refer to other remotes (mceusb_hauppauge, mceusb)… I take it I have to duplicate one set and assign the right codes?
[00:30:27] swalberg: aha, yea, if I set remote=DCT2000 it works.
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[00:58:17] gilson585: I can't find the setting that changes how mythtv handles livetv getting interrupted by scheduled recordings
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[01:01:13] gilson585: I know it was there cause I've changed it b4. Did it get removed?
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[01:23:39] sphery: gilson585: what version of mythtv?
[01:24:12] sphery: if you mean, "Avoid conflicts between Live TV and scheduled shows", it was recently removed because no one could come up with a good reason to ever have it disabled
[01:24:21] sphery: (so it will always attempt to avoid conflicts)
[01:25:21] sphery: hmmm, seems "recently" isn't so recently... it was removed for 0.25
[01:25:32] sphery: so even not-current MythTV doesn't have it
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[01:35:44] zombor: my mythweb thinks i'm in GMT, how can i fix it to be correct? i have the correct timezone listed in php.ini
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[02:56:06] Vaska: I've recently started having the "PrebufferEnoughFrames Player Waited for video buffers" with 26-fixes while watching DVD videos. I never used to experience this and didn't change the playback behavior.
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[03:01:34] Vaska: I did notice this after a Gentoo upgrade which I think upgraded my nVidia driver, maybe I should revert back to the 304 or even 295 series?
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[03:09:03] jm|laptop: hello :)
[03:09:48] jm|laptop: I ran out of space in storage :/ so I've deleted a load of stuff but it's still sat in "Space Used by Deleted Recordings: 107,364 MB"
[03:09:51] jm|laptop: can I purge that?
[03:10:43] wagnerrp: should flush it self next time the autoexpirer runs
[03:10:57] wagnerrp: which is at maximum within 15 minutes
[03:11:23] jm|laptop: oh. That's fine, then :)
[03:11:24] jm|laptop: thanks
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[03:34:48] runelind: I just got my hd homerun prime plugged in for the first time and called in to activate my cable card M with Comcast. They said it should be good to go, but I don't think it is working right
[03:35:27] runelind: I'm not getting a channel lineup in the tuner website and when I use the config gui, I'm not able to view any channels.
[03:39:11] runelind: the second LED is flashing, so I think something is wonky.
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[03:52:17] deschmit: I'm running 2:0.26.0+fixes.20130104.72bca07–0ubuntu0mythbuntu3. Anyone know if the mythweb "channel info" editor is broken in this version? I can't save any changes I make on that page.
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[03:54:00] deschmit: I used to delete channels, change xmltvids, and marks some channels not visible.
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[12:23:53] justinh: swalberg: please don't ask questions in private messages. It won't benefit anybody else
[12:24:21] justinh: FWIW, no I don't remember doing anything to get my mceusb blaster working – because it's never actually worked
[12:24:52] justinh: the IR led flashes but as far as I can tell it isn't actually being modulated correctly or whatever it is I point it at would receive the code correctly
[12:25:11] justinh: I need to get a 'scope onto it
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[14:17:06] justinh: OH. if using devinput for lirc you can't use an IR blaster? Ha
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[14:23:52] ExElNeT: heya. i am trying to import a channels.conf but mythtv always quits with "Failed to parse". The logs are clean.
[14:25:39] justinh: where is the .conf file from?
[14:25:50] ExElNeT: w_scan
[14:25:52] justinh: AFAIK it only supports one format, and it ain't the VDR format
[14:26:05] ExElNeT: ah i see this might be a problem then..
[14:28:10] ExElNeT: the question now is which format... dammit. I really like w_scan.
[14:34:04] justinh: hmm apparently w_scan output should just work
[14:37:24] ExElNeT: justinh: i just compared the output from an example in a forum and the w_scan output: http://pastebin.com/NQF6BPL5
[14:37:29] ExElNeT: looks quite different
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[15:35:54] justinh: ExElNeT: did you type that or paste it?
[15:36:15] Igramul: re
[15:37:03] Igramul: Does mythtv detect that a tuner does not get a lock for a recording and automatically choose another tuner?
[15:37:32] justinh: Igramul: no
[15:37:43] Igramul: justinh: ouch
[15:37:49] justinh: it assumes your tuner hardware works all the time & is not flakey crap
[15:38:18] Igramul: imho, that's a non-realistic assumption.
[15:38:26] justinh: no it isn't
[15:39:20] Igramul: dvb-t + dvb-s + bad weather --> degraded system
[15:39:40] justinh: a good system, well aligned... works in any weather
[15:40:04] Igramul: in theory
[15:41:47] justinh: anyway, that's how it is. the tuner either works when myth goes for it, or the recording fails
[15:41:51] Igramul: By the way, most tuner hardware (and linux driver support for it) fulfills the requirements for "flakey crap"
[15:42:06] justinh: not sure I'd say 'most' but certainly some do, yes
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[15:42:32] justinh: that's how it is with STBs, PVRs & TVs as well
[15:43:19] Igramul: justinh: well, I'll check how to contribute to mythtv-backend. Maybe I can propose a patch for some kind of fail-over algorithm.
[15:43:51] justinh: I don't think any other DVR software does that
[15:44:01] Igramul: tvheadend does.
[15:44:05] justinh: lol
[15:44:14] justinh: tvheadend has plenty other failings though
[15:44:24] justinh: or else we'd all be using it instead of mythtv :-)
[15:45:22] bas-t: it has build-in ffdecsa though
[15:45:28] Igramul: It has its weaknesses. I just switched to mythtv because of some severe bugs. However, it does failover on non-available tuners.
[15:45:51] justinh: never takes long for people to mention the unmentionables in here does it?
[15:46:04] Igramul: Voldemort?
[15:46:25] justinh: who?
[15:46:41] justinh: bas-t: you cannot talk about that here
[15:47:14] justinh: blah blah legit usage NOTHING. You just can't. Channel rules & all that stuff
[15:47:45] bas-t: i was not discussing that, just stating the fact
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[15:52:27] justinh: Igramul: anyway FWIW, maybe mythtv now doesn't give up quite so easily – but I doubt that it'd try another input instead. Maybe it does now I dunno
[15:54:12] Igramul: justinh: Well, I was surprised to see, that it plans the video source in advance for the recording schedule. Hence the question.
[15:55:19] justinh: it has to really. have you seen the scheduler query?
[15:55:50] Igramul: nope, as I said, I'm pretty new to all of it.
[15:56:06] justinh: the scheduler is quite a complex beast
[15:56:14] wagnerrp: in order to know there aren't going to be any conflicts, it has to map recordings to an available tuner
[15:56:21] justinh: recently made less complex, but still pretty heavy
[15:56:25] wagnerrp: that requires knowing the video source
[15:57:11] justinh: are failed recordings now known as failed?
[15:57:15] Igramul: justinh: That's the nature of scheduling algorithms ;)
[15:58:02] justinh: I bet tvheadend's winds up being nasty one day too
[15:58:23] Igramul: tvheadend does not detect conflicts in advance.
[15:58:37] ** justinh still remembers people whining that mythtv uses a database. now everybody uses a database **
[15:58:39] wagnerrp: that's quite short sided
[15:58:57] wagnerrp: that means it can't automatically resolve conflicts with later showings?
[15:59:05] justinh: if the scheduler is quick you might not need to run it far ahead
[15:59:22] justinh: it can take a good few seconds on some people's systems
[15:59:38] Igramul: wagnerrp: It will interrupt a recording if another with higher priority starts and no idle tuner is available.
[15:59:40] justinh: hundreds of channels, lots of old recordings... loads of tuners..
[15:59:45] wagnerrp: a good few dozen seconds on some people's "systems"
[15:59:57] wagnerrp: a POS ARM running the whole mess...
[16:00:04] justinh: lol
[16:00:14] justinh: Igramul: EEW
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[16:00:56] Igramul: Yes, that's ugly.
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[16:03:53] ** wagnerrp puts his admin pants back on **
[16:03:56] Igramul: wagnerrp: I'm not talking about re-running the whole scheduler. A simple "is there another tuner serving the channel and beind idle long enough" might be sufficient.
[16:04:19] justinh: you'd have to re-run the scheduler thoguh
[16:04:21] justinh: *though
[16:04:43] wagnerrp: i swear, not a damn thing good ever comes out of the 173 block
[16:04:49] wagnerrp: i should null route that whole class A
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[16:05:10] justinh: it might be simple enough, and even if the scheduler takes a good few seconds you've only lost a few seconds of the recording you were going to miss entirely
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[16:05:27] justinh: you just have to *know* a recording failed in the first place
[16:05:30] ** Igramul just checked his IP *g* **
[16:08:57] wagnerrp: 47 wiki users from that block since the beginning of october, only ten weren't outright banned, and only two have ever posted a meaningful revision
[16:10:37] wagnerrp: one of which is a guy who actually created two accounts, because he forgot the password to the first shortly after creating it
[16:12:17] wagnerrp: looks like the 173 block was allocated to .... ARIN in 2008
[16:12:27] wagnerrp: well screw you america and all your spam!
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[16:29:18] jarle: mythlogserver suddenly stopped writing to the logfile for the backend, anything I can do to make the logserver continue to wite the log, without killing the backend? How about if I kill the logserver, will that work?
[16:29:58] jarle: (I have ongoing recordings that prevent me from restarting the backend)
[16:31:57] tmkt: any recos for a tiny box to play recordings/videos from my mythbackend?
[16:32:11] tmkt: looking at the samsung BD5400
[16:32:23] tmkt: but open to anything that would be similar size wize
[16:33:43] tmkt: ideally something i could mount to the back of the tv somehow and forget it even these small HDMI dongles look like a good solution
[16:34:47] kslater: tmkt: I've heard that a RaspberryPi model B running raspbmc can work as a frontend. But others have said it's too underpowered.
[16:35:04] kslater: But it's definitely small, that much I can tell you.
[16:35:38] kslater: We have a pair lying around. I may try to fire on up and test it. If I can find the time (which I likely won't until next week).
[16:35:56] kslater: fire one up, not fire on up. Errg.
[16:36:19] wagnerrp: kslater: it *can* work as a frontend, it cannot work well as a frontend
[16:36:19] tmkt: or wondering if there is a player somehwere doesn't matter the size that just broadcasts its video to a hdmi dongle.
[16:36:37] wagnerrp: too low power and not enough memory to run a nice, graphically rich frontend
[16:36:40] wagnerrp: and that includes xbmc
[16:36:42] kslater: wagnerrp: what exactly is the problem with?
[16:36:43] kslater: ah
[16:36:46] tmkt: the thing is..mounting a smallish tv to the wall, and want to get my backend library available to it without any other crap on the wall
[16:36:56] wagnerrp: you can run a more spartan frontend
[16:37:14] wagnerrp: but that brings you right back to all similar underpowered STBs
[16:37:27] tmkt: so even if it was big and in the a closet and just had a hdmi dongle it broadcasts to.that would be ideal also
[16:37:54] wagnerrp: get a mac mini, or some other mini-itx board and an M350 case
[16:37:56] kslater: tmkt: why not just cable it such that the big machine in the closet IS the frontend
[16:38:15] wagnerrp: or, what kslater said, run an HDMI cable through the wall
[16:38:18] tmkt: yeah...then i have an ugly cable...i guess drill holes int he wall
[16:38:21] tmkt: yeah
[16:38:25] kslater: long HDMI cable, something to pick up the IR commands and go from there.
[16:38:34] wagnerrp: i mean you have to have power somehow
[16:38:50] wagnerrp: cut in a second box, and use the power line as a guide for the HDMI drop
[16:39:08] ** kslater is just jazzed to have his backend working properly again with the HD-PVR **
[16:39:22] wagnerrp: for IR, you've got two, possibly three options
[16:39:25] tmkt: yeah..there's a poweroutlet already where I plan installing it
[16:39:44] wagnerrp: run a normal USB IR receiver, and an active USB cable with repeaters back to the remote frontend
[16:39:46] tmkt: how well do DLNA devices work with myth?
[16:40:07] kslater: tmkt: one thing to consider when you're considering the frontend hardware is what format the recordings are in. I know that HD-PVR H.264 recordings are a beast to decode..
[16:40:07] wagnerrp: use some device, i forget the name, that repurposes the HDMI CEC line as an IR repeater
[16:40:13] tmkt: I have a boxee box in basement i might bring up for the time being, but then the that tv is useless
[16:40:46] wagnerrp: get a pulseeight unit, and spend the time programming mythtv to be able to register and receive IR events natively over CEC (this one requires your TV support that as well)
[16:41:36] tmkt: for remotes i was just planing on using the iphone as a remote if i go with a mythtv fe box
[16:41:42] wagnerrp: that would work too
[16:41:56] tmkt: have an old asus eeepc but guessing that isn't powerful enough
[16:42:08] wagnerrp: which one, specifically?
[16:42:23] tmkt: 901
[16:42:41] tmkt: http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_PC/Eee_PC_901/
[16:42:55] tmkt: but 4 years ago
[16:42:58] wagnerrp: not on its own
[16:43:12] wagnerrp: you might be able to replace the 802.11N card with a crystalhd decoder
[16:43:32] wagnerrp: but probably not worth the effort
[16:43:51] wagnerrp: it had a scsi hard drive? funky
[16:44:24] tmkt: yeah...and i'd need more room on it..just debatting between building a small myth fe or going with something like the BD5400 or LG SP520
[16:44:39] tmkt: or roku i guess
[16:45:52] tmkt: as long as my myth lib is accessable
[16:46:19] wagnerrp: recordings should be fine, but the video library over UPNP needs some work
[16:46:40] jheizer__: I am about to use an old Eeepc 1201n as a FE (atom ion netboox)
[16:46:58] wagnerrp: we need to reimplement the assorted views from the Video Library in the frontend as cached in the backend and available over UPNP and Services
[16:47:00] jheizer__: nice putting th eold things to use for myth
[16:47:06] wagnerrp: jheizer__: yes... with nvidia graphics
[16:47:14] wagnerrp: not the puny GMA950 in the 901
[16:47:22] jheizer__: yeah >>>> than 901
[16:47:29] jheizer__: why I got it back then
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[16:49:22] tmkt: last question what about 3D stuff?
[16:51:05] wagnerrp: we only support it in so far as the GUI can be properly mirrored on side-by-side and top-and-bottom 3D
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[21:25:25] ExElNeT: i got two tuners on my card. both inputs are connected to the same diseqc switch with 2 satellites. So I get 4 devices: Tuner 1 Sat 1, Tuner 1 Sat 2, Tuner 2 Sat 1 and Tuner 2 Sat 2. How should I setup mythtv for this? I tried it with 2 devices 4 input connections and 1 videosource. But somehow it isn't working as expected. When I switch a channel I always end up with satellite 1.
[21:26:21] justinh: blimey. just had a girl on the phone who's set up a web shop, paid a guy £500 – he used a ready made template he bought in for $100 – she built the shop, uploaded all the images etc.. wants to make the site live & the guy has seemingly done a runner & has been uncontactable for weeks now. I'm in the wrong job.. plus he was talking about monthly fees for the actual hosting. What a sheister
[21:27:06] justinh: 2 satellites – 2 video sources are needed. that's why
[21:27:11] justinh: ExElNeT: ^^^^
[21:27:45] justinh: one source for one bird
[21:29:33] ExElNeT: justinh: shit. ok makes sense.
[21:30:43] ExElNeT: justinh: thanks
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[21:36:35] justinh: then link tuner1, sat1 to one source, tuner 1, sat 2 to the other source etc :-)
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[21:40:57] wizbit: nothing beats the feeling when you remote into 'watch recordings' and see lots of juicy stuff what has been recorded :D
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[21:44:23] wizbit: then finding out they are all zero k :-S
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[22:31:35] rumblebumble: Just wondering how what the flags are for the upcoming recordings, some have "e", some have "r". I was wondering if there was a table for this. There really should be a graphical index on the page. Thansk :)
[22:33:09] jm|laptop: (E)arlier recording Will (R)ecord  ?
[22:33:23] ** jm|laptop is guessing from memory **
[22:35:09] jm|laptop: oh. (E)arlier showing Currently (R)ecorded, according to my theme
[22:35:32] rumblebumble: jm|laptop, Thanks
[22:36:14] jm|laptop: On my theme, bottom right under the table itself, it defines it
[22:38:16] rumblebumble: thanks, on my theme it does not :(
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[23:41:56] Cubber: I am trying to migrate my mythbackend to a new server I have used the mythconverg backup script to create the backup and then restored it on the new server with the restore script as per this article: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . backup_file. The restore looks good and I can see my recordings and other data in the db when I search it manually. However when I try to do the hostname
[23:42:50] Cubber: the specific output is here: http://pastebin.com/gkVLji2d
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