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Thursday, December 27th, 2012, 00:05 UTC
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[00:49:18] robert5: need some advice, tried to upgrade to 12.04, turns out there is an issue with lirc and I can not use my ir blaster. I confirmed that there is a regression in lirc, it is my dads system I am trying to fix and I only have tonight. Do you think it is best to roll back to a previous version of mythbuntu or is it easy to build an old version on lirc
[00:50:29] Unguided: newb question/dumb question. Can the rasp pi be used with mythtv?
[00:54:31] robert5: Unguided, Nope, not fast enough to run the frontend
[00:55:33] Unguided: robert5: Thought so but was curious anyway. Thank you. I wish I could help you but being newb I dont know the answer. sorry
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[02:25:09] wagnerrp_: robert5: your issues are likely a result of the lirc drivers being moved directly into the kernel
[02:25:24] wagnerrp_: rather than being 3rd party modules shipped with lirc
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[02:26:54] rOOb: hello all. I just updated mythtv on freebsd and its not wanting to start: Shared object "libmythswscale.so.0" not found, required by "libmythtv-0.26.so.0"/usr/local/etc/rc.d/mythbackend: WARNING: failed to start mythbackend
[02:27:18] rOOb: iirc that would mean that that library is not in the ldconfig path....but it seems to be there
[02:27:55] rOOb: the file /etc/defaults/rc.conf contains paths to the /usr/local/ stuff
[02:32:51] rOOb: hmm...looks like its looking for libmythswscale.so.0 but only libmythswscale.so.2.1.100 exists. If i manually sym link the one its looking for to libmythswscale.so.2.1.100 it doesnt give the same error...but a similar one for a diff lib
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[02:33:25] wagnerrp_: libmythswscale is a library built and installed by mythtv
[02:33:29] wagnerrp_: it is in the core install
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[02:35:10] wagnerrp_: r00b: it sounds like you still had an old copy of mythtv installed when you built the new one
[02:35:14] wagnerrp_: and the linker screwed up
[02:35:19] Unguided: wagnerrp: How are you. Have a good holiday?
[02:35:38] wagnerrp_: so far... have to drive home ~13hrs tomorrow
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[02:35:47] wagnerrp_: ...
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[02:36:35] wagnerrp_: Unguided: the RPi does not have enough power to do software decoding, and mythtv does not currently have support for the software decoder
[02:37:09] Unguided: Thanks. Someone answered me. I didnt think it was but was just curious.
[02:37:11] wagnerrp_: but more importantly, even if support for the hardware decoder were written, it simply doesn't have enough memory to run the frontend
[02:37:24] wagnerrp_: not the 256MB version, anyway
[02:37:30] wagnerrp_: certainly not the 128MB version
[02:37:49] wagnerrp_: the 512MB wouldn't be all that bad, but the UI would still be slow
[02:38:04] rOOb: wagnerrp yea. it does seem like the upgrade got fubar somehow. I was using the ports. I just did a deinstall and im reinstalling now. I hope it works this time
[02:38:05] Unguided: Thats what I was thining but wasnt sure. Just a thought of for the future. :)
[02:38:26] wagnerrp_: make sure to deinstall before you build
[02:38:44] rOOb: yea
[02:38:52] wagnerrp_: you may also want to clear out any libraries in /usr/local/lib/*myth* just to make sure
[02:39:00] rOOb: did that too :)
[02:39:20] wagnerrp_: the default makefile absolutely has problems with that
[02:39:32] wagnerrp_: i'm not sure if the port does anything to resolve that
[02:40:05] rOOb: ah
[02:40:22] Unguided: wagnerrp: if you install myth in a jail on a freenas box, does it have a gui or just cli?
[02:40:48] wagnerrp_: you must have the X11 libraries
[02:40:54] wagnerrp_: you do not need to have a full X11 server
[02:41:28] Unguided: if you install from freshports it grab the libraries too right?
[02:42:11] wagnerrp_: i would expect it to pick up any necessary dependencies
[02:42:37] wagnerrp_: i've never actually used the port or the binary package for mythtv on freebsd
[02:43:21] rOOb: iirc it will grab everything
[02:43:35] rOOb: i did set umm.. NO_X11 i think in the default make.conf
[02:43:54] Unguided: Ok. I have to servers to build. One proxmox to virtualize windows and to play with. The other Im not sure about. I was thinking pcbsd with zfs and jail support or freenas for the same. I was thinking I could do more with pcbsd than with freenas. Just was asking your opinion?
[02:44:29] wagnerrp_: i don't know much about pcbsd or freenas, i've always used freebsd
[02:44:51] wagnerrp_: if you are planning on making heavy use of zfs, i would suggest looking at nas4free over freenas
[02:45:04] wagnerrp_: since it is based off freebsd9 and a newer version of zfs
[02:45:18] wagnerrp_: zpool v29 vs. v14, i believe
[02:46:03] Unguided: Darn. You have given great advice in the past and was hoping for more of the same. I thought I read freenas uses v28 but it is based off of 8.0
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[02:46:28] wagnerrp_: oh... maybe they've backported the newer zfs to their older kernel
[02:46:32] wagnerrp_: i really don't know
[02:47:55] Unguided: I was thinking of installing myth on to proxmox and directing its data stores to the freenas/nas4free/pcbsd box. Proxmox will support openvz and kvm. Thoughts?
[02:48:53] wagnerrp_: openvz and kvm are linux utilities... no experience with them
[02:49:26] Unguided: Not sure if myth performance would take a hit doing it that way though.
[02:49:30] wagnerrp_: the trouble with doing that is that it will have opaque stores
[02:49:55] wagnerrp_: you will only be able to share the root directory, and manage whatever settings you want on that root directory or image
[02:50:29] wagnerrp_: you won't be able to do things like having different duplication or compression settings on subdirectories
[02:51:28] Unguided: okay. I thought would if I sent them to an nfs share. Sounds like the pcbsd/freenas/nas4free box would be the best solution.
[02:52:10] wagnerrp_: NFS does not extend beyond a single filesystem
[02:52:27] Unguided: ah. Ok.
[02:52:54] wagnerrp_: so if /, /var, and /var/log are all three separate zfs partitions, you will need to mount them each over NFS independently
[02:53:09] wagnerrp_: i've not had much luck mounting NFS volumes on other NFS volumes
[02:53:26] wagnerrp_: they always go irrecoverabley stale, requiring a reboot to clean things up
[02:54:07] wagnerrp_: so while my /var/log on my main system and jails are all live gzip compressed, all but removing the need for log rotation
[02:54:21] wagnerrp_: my netboot systems are all just opaque volumes
[02:54:45] wagnerrp_: there is no fancy handling on zfs, besides being on a zfs-mirror
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[02:55:58] Unguided: I think the only thing I would be giving up using pcbsd is iSCSI. Which is really no big deal. But it would probably be better having myth sitting on data stores and not relying on the network anyway.
[02:56:16] Unguided: on the local computer
[02:57:38] Unguided: Are you in the states?
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[02:57:41] wagnerrp_: all of my frontends boot off iscsi images
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[02:58:57] Unguided: Okay. Maybe freenas would be the better solution. Not sure how to set up iscsi. Is that kind of like pxe booting?
[02:59:08] Unguided: or thin clients?
[03:00:24] wagnerrp_: i have a custom initramfs that manages mounting the disks and pivoting into it
[03:01:01] Unguided: Just so you know that was way over my head. :)
[03:01:31] wagnerrp_: it's a couple MB of libraries and busybox, compiled into the linux kernel
[03:01:51] wagnerrp_: instead of booting into the root filesystem, it boots into that
[03:02:29] Unguided: for me, wouldnt pxe booting be easier? Gotcha.
[03:03:39] wagnerrp_: no, PXE is a must
[03:03:45] wagnerrp_: i use iSCSI instead of NFS
[03:04:02] wagnerrp_: PXE is used to load the linux kernel
[03:04:28] wagnerrp_: you need PXE regardless of what you store your root filesystem on
[03:04:37] wagnerrp_: actually... that's not entirely true
[03:04:54] wagnerrp_: you can flash something like gpxe onto your NIC boot rom
[03:04:56] tonsofpcs: so far, in a week of no cable TV, I've found one major issue.
[03:05:14] wagnerrp_: and use it to pull a kernel over something other than the standard PXE/TFTP protocols
[03:05:39] tonsofpcs: there's no longer a clock in my home theater 'rack'
[03:05:48] wagnerrp_: heh...
[03:05:59] tonsofpcs: I might need to find a VCR to plug in to compensate.
[03:06:01] wagnerrp_: yeah, you can get a LED or VFD module
[03:06:13] wagnerrp_: put it in a spare external bay
[03:06:24] tonsofpcs: well, the computer isn't going to end up in the rack
[03:06:34] tonsofpcs: the 'rack' is two MDF bookshelves from target stacked.
[03:06:57] Unguided: Ah. Okay. How many tuners can myth handle and hand out at any one time? I finally got my hdhr primes back online. Seems the cable co decided to filter my cable modem and my primes when they were here last to do some work in the house.
[03:07:32] wagnerrp_: if you're an electronics geek, you could whip up a little arduino or arm microcomputer with a LED/VFD printout
[03:08:00] wagnerrp_: Unguided: there is no specific limit, just practical ones based off your backend hardware
[03:08:45] Unguided: I have an octacore with 16gb ram going to 32 and gigabit ethernet. I should be okay with 4 primes.
[03:08:46] wagnerrp_: since the database and scheduler are not distributed, there is a limit on how many tuners and recording rules you can handle
[03:09:03] wagnerrp_: the scheduler is also single threaded, so multiple cores don't really help
[03:11:05] Unguided: Thats why the pcbsd choice. I think it will use them all and I can take advantage of linux jails so I could run myhtbuntu in a jail then either pcbsd or mythbuntu on the frontends
[03:11:19] Unguided: *mythbuntu
[03:11:28] wagnerrp_: use all what?
[03:11:34] Unguided: the cores
[03:12:00] wagnerrp_: the OS makes no difference, mythtv's scheduler is single threaded
[03:12:55] Unguided: I meant for other things like zfs and other stuff I may want to set up in the future. I really like the jails idea. I cant really jack it up if I take a snapshot first
[03:13:28] Unguided: xbmc, samba, etc
[03:14:10] Unguided: I realize it is probably overkill but I really didnt understand what I needed when I started so I have them now
[03:14:32] wagnerrp_: i wasn't aware xbmc had any real backend process
[03:16:18] Unguided: Their new version (ver 12 Frodo) will support recording but uses myth as its backend. So it is basically a frontend. I meant for testing etc.
[03:17:25] Unguided: What I am trying to accomplish is to server boxes. One for virtualization and the other a centralized storage/media/myth server.
[03:17:36] Unguided: *two server
[03:19:24] Unguided: one of the proxmox guys even said to virtualize freenas and then add the storage drives to the vm. That doesnt sound like a good idea
[03:19:49] tonsofpcs: depends on what you're doing
[03:19:56] tonsofpcs: if the NAS is for the other VMs, it might be
[03:20:13] tonsofpcs: wagnerrp_: yea, I just need a clock :-p
[03:20:57] tonsofpcs: VCR should be cheap or free from a garage sale. or, next time one dies a terrible death (of the video heads) at work and needs replacing, I'll volunteer to take it.
[03:21:26] tonsofpcs: I suppose it helps that we have stacks of VCRs and only two or three people in the building that use them.
[03:21:46] wagnerrp_: tonsofpcs: i was actually implying something that would be more of an information display than a simple clock
[03:22:29] wagnerrp_: Unguided: i'm sure i've explained my opinions on virtual machines in the past
[03:24:34] Unguided: wagnerrp: you have and I respect that opinion hence deciding on freenas or pcbsd.
[03:25:00] Unguided: tonsofpcs: Was gonna run proxmox for virtualization and then have to decide on either pcbsd or freenas for storage.
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[03:26:19] wagnerrp_: i have no explicit problem with virtualization, just that most people use it for all the wrong reasons
[03:26:49] Unguided: I understand
[03:26:55] wagnerrp_: industry uses it for security needs
[03:27:22] wagnerrp_: and those security needs don't really extend into the consumer space
[03:29:40] Unguided: I get that. I want to consolidate my computers sitting in the house and for testing. Not the best reason but will get the job done. Maybe at a performance hit but that is okay
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[03:31:46] rOOb: how long should it take for mythtv to upgrade the db schema from 0.25 -> 0.26?
[03:32:32] rOOb: its been 7 mins and i see mysqld jumping around in top so it looks like its doing its thing.
[03:32:45] wagnerrp_: not all that long, but it is converting all your times from local to UTC
[03:32:47] rOOb: just curious if this kind of timeframe is normal
[03:32:53] rOOb: ah
[03:33:07] rOOb: i did have to do the mysql_tz_something command
[03:33:42] wagnerrp_: ok... need to leave early tomorrow morning
[03:33:43] wagnerrp_: going to bed
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[03:33:50] rOOb: cya!
[03:34:10] Unguided: Thanks wgner. Good night.
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[03:44:53] Unguided: gotta go myself. good night eryone.
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[03:54:44] rOOb: hmm. ok so mythtv is still updating the database...this cant be right :|
[03:55:09] rOOb: last line in the log: 22:25:21.050746 C [29951/101857] CoreContext dbcheck.cpp:402 (performActualUpdate) – Upgrading to MythTV schema version 1303 its now 22:54
[03:55:25] rOOb: so its been just about 30 mins
[03:56:15] rOOb: should i restart mythbackend? Should i let it continue?....i dont see any errors
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[04:41:38] voyo: hello, I'd like to ask if someone is using "Max recording" option succesfuly in 0.26-fixes? for me its crashing when Im trying to record two things (or record one +livetv ) from same multiplex on same card. It was working correctly before I did upgrade :(
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[11:55:01] dekarl1: dmfrey, wrt makemkv audio tracks, does it work if you manualy select a track? (guessing that there might be a "silent" default track or something similar I had a similar issue, see http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/commit/?id . . . 6bb88eea04dc )
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[13:52:29] dmfrey: dekarl, if i switch tracks it usually crashes myth FE
[13:52:43] dmfrey: however, when i pull them down to my laptop, they play just fine
[13:53:02] robert5: Hi Guys, I have an hd-pvr hooked up to my stb and an ir blaster. I have tested all components separately, The channel change script works and the hd-pvr driver works (tested via cat /dev/video0 > test.ts). It is Mythbuntu 11.10. For some reason, it will not tune. There is very little information in the logs. Does anyone know why the hd-pvr would not work in mythtv
[13:53:07] dmfrey: i guess i could be missing a codec or something
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[14:26:47] gregL: robert5, The HD-pvr works just fine with MythTV.. I have been using it since it became available.... Since it is working when you cat the device, that rules out driver problems.. Check out the health of your database,you may have a crashed table...Why such an old version of Mythbuntu?
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[17:20:11] Kuhne: Hi all, I have a working reinstalled mythbuntu 0.25 system at the moment, however, I would like to upgrade to 0.26, but would also like to be able to downgrade if anything goes wrong. Has anyone done this? Anyone have any thoughts?
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[17:41:52] ertyu-m: I'm trying to track down some intermittent myth crashes but can't find anything concrete in the logs, what should I be looking at?
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[19:46:18] Kuhne: Is the 0.26 release ok with dst?
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[22:12:23] dekarl: dmfrey: well, thats something else then. I only noticed the issue with the automatic track selection
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[22:21:04] skd5aner: the "new" mythmusic got the best of my on Christmas morning X-(
[22:21:15] skd5aner: s/my/me
[22:23:10] skd5aner: couldn't, for the life of me, figure out how to scan for new music – nor could I easily just play an album
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[22:38:53] knightr: /msg NickServ identify sporster
[22:39:11] justinh: knightr: you need to change your password ;-)
[22:39:31] knightr: justinh, yep, I know.. :-)
[22:39:41] knightr: problem is I don't remember which one I used for IRC...
[22:40:27] knightr: it's not the right one fortunately (and unfortunately...)...
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[22:41:07] knightr: yippee, found it...
[22:41:32] skd5aner: well, I always do that stuff in freenode channel, just to make sure it doesn't accidently get sent to any channel
[22:42:27] knightr: skd5aner, good idea...
[22:43:54] knightr: looks like I typed a space in from of the /mgr so that's why it got sent on the channel...
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[22:46:52] paganpan: I need help setting up a HD Homerun
[22:53:19] paganpan: any help? I followed the wiki but it's not working
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[22:58:08] sphery: paganpan: you'll likely get more help if you say what's happening or describe, specifically, what's not working (and/or post a backend log file to http://www.pastebin.com/ ), since few people (if any) would consider themselves expert enough to help with any HD Homerun problem you might have
[22:58:10] paganpan: I set up my HDHR but when I go to the frontend, I can't record or watch live TV
[22:58:56] sphery: more specific
[22:59:06] paganpan: backend: http://pastebin.com/vskhLjjd frontend: http://pastebin.com/dcnihMUr
[22:59:09] sphery: I can think of thousands of reasons why you wouldn't be able to record or watch live tv
[22:59:14] justdave_ is now known as justdave
[22:59:15] sphery: i.e. what /does/ it do when you try
[22:59:42] sphery: paganpan: that's not a full backend log--just some random excerpt
[22:59:54] paganpan: when I select "watch TV" it flashes to a screen that says "please wait" then instantly back to the main menu
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[23:00:06] sphery: ah, maybe it is
[23:00:50] sphery: ok, so what do you mean by, "I followed the wiki but it's not working"
[23:00:52] sphery: what wiki page
[23:01:19] paganpan: there is a wiki page on how to set up the HDHR. i followd it to the letter
[23:01:23] aramus: Hi there, I am having a bit of an issue for some reason I cannot get my recordings list to update when I remove recordings from the SG
[23:01:30] sphery: which specific page
[23:01:38] sphery: i.e. there are lots of bad pages out there
[23:01:47] sphery: and it would also let me see more details of your setup
[23:02:05] paganpan: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun_Prime
[23:02:12] sphery: the problem is your Input Connections/Video Sources/Channels/... are wrong
[23:02:26] sphery: but what's wrong is hard to infer without knowing how you set it up
[23:02:40] sphery: and, see, it's /very/ important that you're setting up an HDHR Prime
[23:02:57] sphery: it's nothing like a
[23:03:00] sphery: "normal" HDHR
[23:03:56] sphery: so I assume you're using a CableCARD for this?
[23:03:59] paganpan: so technicly it is a haupauge but i was told that it needs to be set up as a HDHR prime
[23:04:00] paganpan: yes
[23:04:18] paganpan: it works in the HDHR setup gui
[23:04:24] sphery: Dec 23 17:35:11 berson-media mythbackend[1601]: E TVRecEvent hdhrstreamhandler.cpp:434 (TunerSet) HDHRSH(20118B03–0): DeviceSet(vchannel 1): ERROR: invalid virtual channel
[23:04:33] sphery: says that your Input Connections/Video Sources/Channels/... are wrong
[23:04:48] sphery: it may be as simple as your not having properly set a "start on channel" value
[23:04:52] sphery: or may be much more complex
[23:05:06] paganpan: did that, also tried setting it to different numbers
[23:05:15] sphery: Delete all Video Sources would allow you to start them over
[23:05:48] sphery: but if you redo the misconfiguration, it won't help
[23:05:55] paganpan: should i try that?
[23:06:09] paganpan: right
[23:06:19] sphery: so you'd have to figure out what you did wrong the first time through (which may become apparent when you go back through the instructions)
[23:06:53] paganpan: it is my understanding that i dont need to scan for channels if im using sceduals direct
[23:07:08] sphery: but, anyway, I've never used CableCARD, nor HDHR Prime, nor DCR-2650, so I probably won't be much help
[23:07:43] sphery: and, yeah, with CableCARD, you cannot scan for channels--so you'd use Schedules Direct to populate your channels list
[23:07:44] paganpan: am i correct that i dont need to scan for channels?
[23:07:48] paganpan: yea
[23:08:27] sphery: (that's the "Fetch channels..." step
[23:08:57] paganpan: i know that worked because i can see programs in the record menu
[23:09:05] paganpan: i just cant record them
[23:11:15] sphery: make sure you only add channels to your lineup (and Video Source--use the Delete all video sources to redo the Video Source) that you actually receive
[23:11:23] sphery: other than that, I don't know what might be wrong
[23:11:43] paganpan: explain that again
[23:12:05] sphery: "you actually receive" means ones you recieve with the copy-freely flag (i.e. without any kind of content protection on them)
[23:12:16] sphery: don't add HBO if you don't get HBO :)
[23:12:23] paganpan: got it
[23:13:21] paganpan: if this doesnt work, then what? come back later? ive been stuck on this for a week and no one can figure it out
[23:13:45] sphery: you could try the mythtv-users mailing list to get more eyes on it
[23:13:54] sphery: here you'll only get those who look at the screen when you ask
[23:14:13] sphery: and they may not have time to respond when you're around, so you may miss out on an answer
[23:14:33] paganpan: ok, ill try that next. thankyou
[23:14:40] sphery: there's also the option of searching the mailing lists: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv
[23:15:10] sphery: i.e. something like http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . re&mh=25
[23:15:32] sphery: which gives things like: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/525687#525687
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