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| [00:30:21] | tonsofpcs: | tweaked height, it's working better, but I'm afraid that when their issues get fixed, I'll lose them again due to too much strength.... oh well |
| [00:30:36] | tonsofpcs: | when I move I'll make a 4- or 8- or 16- or way-too-many- bay bow-tie |
| [00:34:02] | justinh_: | gah. can't get WoL to work on my frontend anymore |
| [00:34:16] | justinh_: | I dunno if it's since I added the nvidia card or since I changed to LinHES |
| [00:34:44] | justinh_: | wouldn't be surprised if something funky is setting the WoL bit back to 0 before/during shutdown |
| [00:35:05] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: it wasn't a rip off of Monty Python... it /WAS/ Monty Python. Best Fringe episode ever :) |
| [00:37:36] | justinh_: | anyone here ever had bother making WoL work? |
| [00:37:57] | justinh_: | stupid Aopen BIOS is set right according to the manual.. enable waking by PCI card |
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| [00:52:12] | justinh_: | ARGHHH. I give up. damn stupid computers |
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| [01:23:14] | Technophil: | justinh_: sometimes the NIC driver needs a tweak |
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| [01:36:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | I used to have to run ethtool with "wol g" before shutdown to get my slave backends to boot using WOL. |
| [01:37:52] | tonsofpcs: | anyone working on rpi mythtv frontend? |
| [01:38:12] | tonsofpcs: | justinh_: WoL in general is a PITA |
| [01:38:18] | wagnerrp: | tonsofpcs: doubtful |
| [01:38:43] | tonsofpcs: | there's few different packet types and a few different ways to send each and a few different ways to configure each card and .... |
| [01:39:15] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: I'm kinda wondering if I should move to XBMC... sacrelig, I know... |
| [01:39:30] | wagnerrp: | which RPI do you have? |
| [01:39:38] | tonsofpcs: | 2x B/512, 1x B/256 |
| [01:40:12] | wagnerrp: | for the 512MB ones, mythfrontend should work-ish aside from lack of any video decoder support |
| [01:40:21] | wagnerrp: | if someone were to write an OpenMAX library for mythtv |
| [01:40:31] | tonsofpcs: | openmax is the hardware decode? |
| [01:41:01] | wagnerrp: | it's the chronos group's hardware decode api, kind of like vdpau |
| [01:41:24] | wagnerrp: | the RPI uses it, as do a bunch of other devices |
| [01:41:40] | tonsofpcs: | oh, hmm, xbmc as a live/pvr frontend apparently supports myth as a backend... so I could just use xbmc on a pi for a frontend and keep using myth on the big screen and as a backend... |
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| [06:45:34] | wagnerrp: | whoopsie! |
| [06:46:14] | wagnerrp: | seems my frontends have grown too far apart in capabilities to rely on the built in --enable-proc-opts |
| [06:46:45] | wagnerrp: | mythtv built on an ivy bridge chip fails to run on an old S939 opteron |
| [06:54:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thoughts? i know how you don't like end users setting their own compile-time optimizations |
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| [10:23:22] | dekarl1: | can I tell the frontend to prefer german audio tracks over english/castalan? I see options for epg and captions but not audio track. (mkv rips of series dvd woth all audio tracks kept) Frontend language is german, epg language #1 german, #2 english |
| [10:23:22] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [10:23:22] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2 ** | |
| [10:23:26] | dekarl1 is now known as dekarl | |
| [10:25:03] | dekarl: | I sometimes like to watch in english, but the SO prefers german. So I'd like to make the SO's preference the default to raise WAF |
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| [14:31:55] | jya: | dekarl: the fronted should prefer audio tracks according to your language setup |
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| [15:18:05] | ernestocgv: | 'lo =) |
| [15:18:19] | ernestocgv: | I got a stupid question... |
| [15:19:19] | ernestocgv: | Is hardware acelleration (en-/decoding) supported for the builtin Intel Core-I GPUs? |
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| [16:05:42] | dekarl: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1443677/ AFD: Selected track 1: English AC3 2ch (A/V Stream #1) |
| [16:05:42] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [16:09:22] | dekarl: | ^- does that hint that there is a "default track" flag in the file that gets preferred over automatic selection by language? |
| [16:12:32] | dekarl: | from the discussion when that feature was added to ffmpeg "Streams marked as default are to be selected for playback (or whatever else) if the user does not have any other preference (like language, or an exact stream id).". So it should be tested was later in AvFormatDecoder::AutoSelectAudioTrack if I understand correctly. |
| [16:12:49] | dekarl: | s/was later/way later/ |
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| [16:31:14] | wagnerrp: | if you stuck around for more than ten minutes, someone likely would have answered you... |
| [16:31:57] | beadle: | adjusting to 0.26.... can't find how to set the default user jobs. say when I use mythweb to schedule a recording, it used to set user jobs by something -I think was- mythfrontend settings defaultsettings. I don't find mention in release notes or wiki page about User Jobs. |
| [16:32:25] | wagnerrp: | i believe you might need to define those in the default recording profile |
| [16:32:37] | wagnerrp: | which defines the default settings used for new recording rules |
| [16:32:40] | ** beadle goes looking ** | |
| [16:35:55] | beadle: | wagnerrp that just says 'enable auto-transcoding after recording'. |
| [16:36:14] | wagnerrp: | there should be options for all seven job types |
| [16:36:59] | beadle: | hdhomerun recorders ->default-> profile |
| [16:37:26] | beadle: | mythtv-setup |
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| [17:06:56] | bill6502: | beadle: Is: Manage Recordings->Recording Rules->Default Template->m->Post Processing what you're looking for? |
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| [17:22:14] | beadle: | bill6502: is that myth setup or mythfrontend setups? |
| [17:22:42] | bill6502: | Frontend |
| [17:23:23] | bill6502: | I'm using the Steppes theme. I haven't tested others. |
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| [17:34:52] | beadle: | I had to change Theme/Screen Settings/Menu Theme from Classic to Default to see the Manage Recordings entry. Both MythCenter and Steppes. Thanks! |
| [17:35:19] | beadle: | It looks like it will work but it is rather buried, eh? |
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| [17:37:32] | jpabq: | beadle: On the manage recordings screen, either hit (M)enu or use Next/Previous to cycle through the other options. Note, that Next/Previous is usually mapped to Home/End on the keyboard. |
| [17:37:55] | bill6502: | Yes, there's documentation in the Key New Features section of the 0.26 release notes (2nd bullet), but you have to follow the link to the commit. |
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| [17:45:06] | beadle: | bill6502: I find that after a reboot the default post-processing selections are correct as I set them. when I create a new recording schedule in mythweb they don't apply |
| [17:47:13] | beadle: | (they do get set from the mythtv scheduler) |
| [17:52:40] | bill6502: | beadle: Sounds familiar. Quick search of the mailing list returns: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/533855#533855 . |
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| [18:10:29] | beadle: | IC. well, I think for my system I'll be updating from 0.25 and probably I can update mythconverg.settings for a while but this is a big usability issue? |
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| [18:14:35] | bill6502: | beadle: I can't comment (or recommend) changes to settings, but I will try to think of some appropriate words to add to the 0.26 release notes. |
| [18:19:48] | bill6502: | s/will try to think of/added/ |
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| [18:27:45] | beadle: | I doubt that would have prescended my question. but ok. that's progress. |
| [18:28:15] | beadle: | personally I think part of the allure of MythTV has to do with management from MythWeb. so this broken piece bothers me |
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| [18:45:33] | bill6502: | beadle: Understood. Looks like there's a related ticket too: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11138. |
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| [18:53:16] | beadle: | bill6502: thanks. well that is not going to get much attention. Is there some way to signal it as an adoption issue? |
| [19:09:35] | bill6502: | beadle: Sorry, not that I'm aware of. This is the part where I wimp out and say "Have to let the developers speak to that". But at least it's documented in Trac. I'd suggest that's important, especially considering the oft talked about move of mythweb into the backend. |
| [19:13:18] | beadle: | er I dunno think mythweb like any other client profits from a separation... |
| [19:13:50] | beadle: | my interest besides being a user is mythroku player |
| [19:14:25] | beadle: | a 'client's client' or something like that ;) |
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| [19:22:38] | Unguided: | Hello all. I am looking to set up mythtv. Is it better to setup a linux distro or pc bsd? |
| [19:23:41] | dekarl: | it depends |
| [19:23:49] | beadle: | unguided: probably dependson your familiarity with linux |
| [19:24:05] | dekarl: | If you have a dedicated box and want to give it a quick try you might be best suited with mythbuntu atm |
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| [19:24:37] | Unguided: | Newbie. I like the idea of running mythtv in a jail and zfs but am worried about limited support resources. |
| [19:25:06] | dekarl: | how do you aquire the tv signal? if there is no support for your hardware in freebsd that might be the main limitation |
| [19:25:59] | beadle: | dekarl: wanting a bsd maybe looking for a public server build? |
| [19:26:16] | Unguided: | I use cable card with hd homerun prime. I have four of them currently. |
| [19:27:07] | dekarl: | wagn errp is running with hdhr in a jail with zfs, so it should work well |
| [19:27:58] | dekarl: | beadle: I don't understand what a "public server build" is. |
| [19:28:07] | Unguided: | He is the one who turned me on to the idea. I just worry about hardware support and troubleshoting resources. |
| [19:30:00] | beadle: | regarding troubleshooting I've rarely found silence given a reasonable issue. hope-for features and the like maybe a little less ;) |
| [19:31:26] | Unguided: | ok. it just seems there is more information out there for linux than pc bsd meaing books etc for the newbie |
| [19:33:06] | beadle: | unguided: chose your platform for what it provides. MythTV will be fine on several platforms. Each will have its own gotchas. Start with, if I may opine, a virtual machine to flesh out the details |
| [19:33:49] | Unguided: | ok. thanks |
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| [20:41:04] | justinh_: | a virtual machine for a mythtv newbie? Heh. No further comment necessary |
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| [20:51:49] | \malex\: | Is it possible to transcode livetv before it gets to the frontend? i'm using xbmc on an ipad as a frontend, and it can't handle the 1080i mpeg2 streams coming from my hdhomerun. |
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| [22:38:41] | wagnerrp: | \malex\: no |
| [22:39:52] | \malex\: | wagnerrp: darn. thanks |
| [22:40:58] | wagnerrp: | there is Torc for iPad, which uses the HLS server, and performs just-in-time transcoding |
| [22:41:13] | wagnerrp: | however the transcoding profiles need some improvement |
| [22:41:24] | wagnerrp: | and i'm not sure if there is live tv support yet through the HLS server |
| [22:41:49] | wagnerrp: | and i'm not sure how long it will continue supporting mythtv, since the two projects have diverged |
| [22:43:07] | \malex\: | wagnerrp: interesting, thanks for the tip |
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| [22:44:06] | \malex\: | i was hoping to keep on using xbmc as the frontend. well, livetv isn't that important :) |
| [22:44:09] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: IIRC the olson database only contains unix epoch forward plus the date from when on the first rule is valid |
| [22:44:43] | dekarl: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database#Data_before_1970 |
| [22:45:10] | dekarl: | ^- I remembered wrong :/ |
| [22:47:41] | wagnerrp: | seems the first rule in the timezone i've been using is november 18th, 1883 |
| [22:48:09] | wagnerrp: | at noon |
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| [23:16:44] | k-man: | i want to create some sort of NAS for use at home with mythtv, any suggestions of hardware I should look at? |
| [23:17:56] | wagnerrp: | whatever FreeNAS recommends |
| [23:17:59] | [R]: | a motherboard and some hard drives? |
| [23:18:00] | [R]: | lol |
| [23:18:26] | k-man: | wagnerrp, is freenas as good as it looks? |
| [23:18:33] | wagnerrp: | don't know, never used it |
| [23:18:40] | k-man: | hehe |
| [23:18:52] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps NAS4Free |
| [23:19:19] | wagnerrp: | FreeNAS is based off NanoBSD (derived from FreeBSD) 8.x |
| [23:19:27] | k-man: | ok |
| [23:19:29] | wagnerrp: | NAS4Free is a FreeNAS fork based off 9.x |
| [23:19:40] | wagnerrp: | much better ZFS support |
| [23:19:52] | k-man: | ah, i see |
| [23:19:53] | wagnerrp: | in any case, i'm just running FreeBSD directly |
| [23:20:09] | wagnerrp: | basically the same thing without their fancy web configuration |
| [23:20:15] | k-man: | i fired up freenas in a vm to check it out, it seems pretty snazzy |
| [23:20:20] | k-man: | yeah |
| [23:21:28] | wagnerrp: | anyway, when it comes to ZFS (and probably BtrFS since it's a similar design), memory is king |
| [23:21:32] | wagnerrp: | you want gobs of it |
| [23:21:46] | k-man: | yes, i've heard that |
| [23:22:08] | k-man: | roughly 1gb/TB of hdd space + 8 or something I hear |
| [23:22:47] | wagnerrp: | it's actually 2–5GB/TB depending on who you talk to, but that's if you're running deduplication |
| [23:22:59] | k-man: | oh, i see |
| [23:23:15] | wagnerrp: | ZFS is just very aggressive with cache |
| [23:23:27] | wagnerrp: | and the more memory you give it to use for cache, the happier it is |
| [23:25:00] | justinh: | is it just me or is network remote control stuff noticably faster than lirc? |
| [23:25:34] | wagnerrp: | no, yes |
| [23:25:51] | justinh: | heh. cool |
| [23:26:04] | wagnerrp: | at least with my harmonys |
| [23:26:15] | wagnerrp: | which may be a result of the deliberate key presses on a harmony remote |
| [23:26:34] | wagnerrp: | a "dumb" remote is generally more responsive, if less accurate |
| [23:26:56] | justinh: | I've got a nifty android app a guy at work wrote. it can do http requests, or telnet.. so I've ended up hacking a php page together to send commands to a frontend. couldn't figure out the telnet stuff |
| [23:27:16] | justinh: | may aswell just use php anyway, since I'll be needing that to do the ir blasting |
| [23:27:37] | wagnerrp: | you know mythweb already has that, right? |
| [23:27:49] | justinh: | oh yeah I mean it's not as laggy as my harmony 525 was, but it's still faster than my OFA remote |
| [23:27:59] | wagnerrp: | or are you looking for something more compact? |
| [23:28:12] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah, but that's a whole webpage worth & it's using json & things I don't comprehend |
| [23:28:14] | dekarl: | justinh, still interested in fast time search? I'm wondering if I should try this "cherry-picking" thing to push the fix to fixes/0.26, but I can't test that as I moved everything up to master |
| [23:28:27] | justinh: | dekarl: always :-) |
| [23:28:34] | wagnerrp: | i don't think it uses JSON for that particular component |
| [23:28:36] | wagnerrp: | just javascript |
| [23:29:00] | justinh: | json/javascript.. same difference to me. I don't want to do it on the client |
| [23:29:30] | wagnerrp: | but that means you need to load a new page with every keypress |
| [23:29:36] | wagnerrp: | that's inefficient as hell |
| [23:29:39] | justinh: | I had a look at the ir_send function last night & I just thought "huh? how is it doing that?" |
| [23:29:49] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not so much a page... |
| [23:30:20] | justinh: | it's like 10 lines in PHP |
| [23:30:22] | justinh: | if that |
| [23:30:40] | wagnerrp: | but you have to load another copy of the webpage |
| [23:30:58] | wagnerrp: | since without javascript, you can't perform a query in the background |
| [23:31:00] | justinh: | like 192.168.1.30/remote.php?command=key¶m=p |
| [23:31:35] | justinh: | then the php script uses exec(echo "$command $param" |netcat ... |
| [23:32:05] | justinh: | easy peasy stuff. inefficient or not, it's nifty enough for me |
| [23:32:26] | wagnerrp: | oh, so the web page isn't hosting a remote, the native application is doing that |
| [23:32:40] | wagnerrp: | i thought the web page was giving a bunch of links with buttons |
| [23:32:40] | justinh: | yeah the remote just accesses a URI for every button |
| [23:33:16] | justinh: | it's just a big image file with buttons in it & a button map in xml |
| [23:33:36] | k-man: | wagnerrp, what protocol do you use to share your storage with mythtv? |
| [23:33:38] | justinh: | I'd much rather it was an xml file with positions |
| [23:33:59] | justinh: | duh.. an xml file defining each button action/image/sound though |
| [23:34:09] | wagnerrp: | you may want to consider bypassing the php/apache? webserver entirely, and hitting the frontend web server directly |
| [23:34:18] | wagnerrp: | k-man: mythproto |
| [23:34:38] | justinh: | possibly, but it might be nice if I could do the HA stuff I'm planning over the interwebs |
| [23:35:05] | k-man: | wagnerrp, i mean how do you share the storage with the mythtv box? NFS or iscsi or something else? |
| [23:35:16] | justinh: | although, it might be safest to just fwd that stuff over ssh.. but that's a slight pain |
| [23:35:40] | wagnerrp: | a variety of methods, but all my frontends access my recordings and videos natively through mythproto |
| [23:35:50] | wagnerrp: | they don't use filesystem access |
| [23:36:14] | k-man: | wagnerrp, and how does the backend access the storage? |
| [23:36:20] | wagnerrp: | directly |
| [23:36:34] | k-man: | ah, i see |
| [23:36:48] | k-man: | so you run myth-backend on the same machine that has the storage |
| [23:36:53] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:37:04] | wagnerrp: | wouldn't be very sensible to do it any other way |
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| [23:42:51] | dekarl: | justinh: took only a little merging foo but it actually worked :) |
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| [23:54:57] | justinh: | dekarl: cool. no rush to get it backported.. I'm still on 0.25 at the mo. need to update distro to take on 0.26 |
| [23:55:37] | justinh: | by that I mean there's little point upgrading, since the only new feature I could see myself using is HLS, and that's why I'd need to update the distro |
| [23:56:52] | dekarl: | hey, 0.26 has faster time seach ;) |
| [23:57:08] | justinh: | still need to update the distro to get that |
| [23:57:25] | justinh: | and doing that update is gonna be a whole PITA, the way I do it |
| [23:57:59] | justinh: | mind, it's always a PITA no matter which way you do it |
| [23:58:22] | dekarl: | And theres Shoutcast radio added to mythmusic |
| [23:58:42] | justinh: | yeah I *could* just dist-upgrade... but I'd rather do that with a backup of / to fall back on |
| [23:59:26] | ** dekarl was just looking through the release notes again as he heard "0.26 has no new shiny stuff" before ;) ** | |
| [23:59:34] | justinh: | I usually just install on a fresh HDD, then repopulate the db & config files |
| [23:59:49] | justinh: | I wasn't saying that |
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