MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

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Current users (166):

adante, akv, aloril, amessina, andrewsw, AndyCap, anykey_, Azelphur, baggy, bbee, Beirdo, benc_, BLZbubba, boomer_, brewmaster, brfransen, bsilvereagle, Captain_Murdoch, Cardoe_, cesman, ChanServ, CiaranG, clever, cocoa117, Cougar, croppa, d0netsFN, darkstarbyte, dekarl, desto, devinheitmueller, dkeith, dmz, dougl, durnik, eam, emmanuelux, eric_in_ohio, EvilGuru, felipe`, fetzerch_, FinnTux, fleers, Floppe, G, gergnz, gholmlund, ghoti, gigem, gregL, gregL_, GreyFoxx, grumpydevil, Guest39893, Heliwr, Hoochster, Iamnacho, ikevin, infojunky_, IReboot, J-e-f-f-A, jams, jarle, jarryd, jayb, jbrett, jduggan, jll, jm|laptop, joki, jpabq, jpabq_, jst, justdave, justinh_, jya, k-man, KaZeR, kc, keith4_, Kevin`, knightr, kormoc, KungFuJe1us, kurre2, kwmonroe, lapion, linuxtech, lotia, MaverickTech, mersault, Metoer, MilkBoy, MissionCritical, monkeypet, Moscherkobold_, Muzer, MythLogBot, mzb, natanojl, neufeld_AFK, niska`, npm, nutron, Oleg_, oobe, Peitolm, Peps, petefunk, pgf, pheld, pigeon, purserj, quicksilver, RagingComputer, ragingmind, rhpot1991, rsiebert, Scopeuk_, Seeker`, seld_, ServerSage, Shadow__X, Sharky-Sleep, sheppard, sid3windr, simcop2387, skd5aner, sl1ce, Slasher`, SmallR2002, sphery, Spida, squidly, sraue, StevenR_, sulx1, sutula, TandyUK, Technophil, tgm4883, ThisOneGuy, tlhiv_laptop, tmkt_, Tobbe5178, toeb, tonsofpcs, toorima, tris, troyt, ubIx_, Vollstrecker_, wagnerrp, wahrhaft, wizbit, wolfgang1, wylie, xavierh_, XDS2010, xris, zoktar, [mrx], [R], _abbenormal, _charly_, |thunder
Saturday, December 15th, 2012, 00:00 UTC
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[01:19:30] justinh_: stuartm: because encryption has totally defeated piracy. Encryption is awesome and has saved the whole of the entertainment industry from those nasty pirates
[01:20:23] justinh_: ho ho ho. I've got the makings of a pretty nifty remote here I think
[01:20:46] justinh_: back to editing xml files & drawing buttons in inkscape. rings a bell somehow, that
[01:22:49] wagnerrp: come now, you know DRM has nothing to do with preventing piracy
[01:33:36] justinh_: yeah I know that. It's about them controlling what/how/when we watch
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[03:29:33] AnthonyUK: hi all, I'm trying to connect by VNC viewer to my mythbuntu machine and ive gone dizzy with all the web pages ive read
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[03:29:59] AnthonyUK: I installed vnc4server then uninstalled it and purged it
[03:32:37] wagnerrp: install vncserver, run 'startvnc', connect
[03:32:57] AnthonyUK: k ty i will try that
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[03:33:50] wagnerrp: what do you need VNC for anyway?
[03:34:06] AnthonyUK: it says "install: missing destination file operand after 'vncserver'
[03:34:21] AnthonyUK: im new to linux and im trying to set up first a mythtv back end
[03:34:31] AnthonyUK: would just like a trust desktop connection
[03:34:36] AnthonyUK: trusty*
[03:35:01] AnthonyUK: i got ssh connected
[03:35:06] wagnerrp: just forward mythtv-setup to your local X server
[03:35:09] wagnerrp: no need to use VNC
[03:35:38] wagnerrp: VNC is really only used if you want to use X over a low speed connection
[03:35:51] AnthonyUK: port forward is that?
[03:35:52] wagnerrp: since it rasterizes it to an image that can be more readily used over a slow, laggy connection
[03:35:58] wagnerrp: port forward?
[03:36:10] wagnerrp: no..
[03:36:22] wagnerrp: the DISPLAY environmental variable tells any X applications what X server to use
[03:36:36] wagnerrp: the variable takes the format "hostname:server.screen"
[03:36:53] wagnerrp: the local system is typically ":0.0"
[03:37:02] AnthonyUK: so what program do i use on windows to connect
[03:37:24] wagnerrp: that's backwards, the application connects to the X server
[03:37:36] AnthonyUK: idk what the x server means
[03:37:40] wagnerrp: the X server being whatever computer you're sitting at with a monitor
[03:37:44] AnthonyUK: k
[03:38:00] wagnerrp: you run an X server, and then you point mythtv-setup at the remote X server
[03:38:20] wagnerrp: X11 is a network-transparent protocol
[03:39:09] AnthonyUK: ok so i just type somethign into my mythbuntu machine
[03:39:22] AnthonyUK: and it will pop something up on my xserver that i can then use
[03:39:31] k-man: yes
[03:39:37] AnthonyUK: sorry if im still way out all these words are brand new to me
[03:39:49] wagnerrp: most people just let SSH manage negotiation of X authority
[03:40:09] wagnerrp: so you would "ssh -Y <your backend>"
[03:40:16] wagnerrp: and then just "mythtv-setup" in the ssh terminal
[03:40:28] AnthonyUK: so i tpye the format "hostname:server.screen" into mythbuntu command line, which can be thru ssh or the machiens keyboard
[03:40:33] wagnerrp: mp
[03:40:34] wagnerrp: no
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[03:41:23] wagnerrp: note, you DO need to have an X server installed and running on whatever machine you are currently using
[03:41:35] wagnerrp: i presume that wuold be your windows desktop
[03:41:47] AnthonyUK: yes i found a prebuilt mythtv for windows
[03:42:04] AnthonyUK: but it got so far and asked for database connect if i remember right
[03:42:22] wagnerrp: and you're using this as a dedicated frontend for a backend you've got running on a Linux box somewhere?
[03:42:39] AnthonyUK: on my windows machine its just the frontend
[03:42:49] wagnerrp: where is your backend?
[03:42:49] k-man: i would use vnc from a windows machine imho
[03:42:55] AnthonyUK: i got a spare comp and installed mythbuntu and told it to be backend
[03:43:24] AnthonyUK: its on the same lan as this comp
[03:44:01] k-man: or there is this – but i've not used it
[03:44:03] k-man: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming/
[03:44:12] wagnerrp: that's the X server i currently use
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[03:46:11] AnthonyUK: ahh i have not heard of this x server before but i have just looked it up while d/l ing
[03:46:53] wagnerrp: where windows has a native GUI, linux is purely terminal only
[03:47:01] wagnerrp: the GUI is provided by the X11 system
[03:47:18] wagnerrp: and the server manages your graphics cards and display output
[03:47:30] wagnerrp: the clients are the individual applications that want to display something
[03:48:06] wagnerrp: clients connect to the server over the network, whether that be a local loopback network, or your LAN
[03:49:14] k-man: thats bizzare – i'm looking at the download page for xming X and it shows deja-vu fonts as the download file
[03:50:42] k-man: anyway, got to run, bbl
[03:50:50] AnthonyUK: k laters
[03:55:26] AnthonyUK: be bk in a few, gota test somet
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[04:01:25] hmm: hi, does anyone know if you are using verizon, that you have to use schedules direct to get guide data or is there some way of getting it from verizon?
[04:01:57] wagnerrp: no, digital cable providers do not transmit guide data in a manner that can be received by anything other than their own cable boxes
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[04:04:16] hmm: ah.. thanks a lot.. is schedules direct the only service you can use?
[04:04:49] wagnerrp: in north america, it's the only licensed service i know of
[04:05:17] hmm: ok.. thanks for the info!
[04:05:20] wagnerrp: anything else is either going to be an unreliable scraper in violation of some site's TOS, or outright data theft
[04:10:01] hmm: Is EIT only used when getting signal from an antenna?
[04:11:06] wagnerrp: technically, yes.... practically, no
[04:11:20] wagnerrp: broadcasters are only required by the FCC to transmit 12 hours worth of guide data
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[04:38:44] AnthonyUK: I've copied this convo wagnerrp as so much new info was in it, it has blindsided me abit, igota run a checkdisk il be bk in a bit
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[04:51:15] AnthonyUK: bk
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[05:12:48] wagnerrp: skd5aner: are you tripping?
[05:13:30] skd5aner: I hot, blonde theoretical physicist is following me around everywhere
[05:13:37] skd5aner: s/I/A
[05:13:41] AnthonyUK: ok i type in "ssh -Y <your backend>" where back end was a username on the back end and i got a result
[05:14:09] wagnerrp: why would you put a username there?
[05:14:14] AnthonyUK: it said permanantly added that account to the list of known hosts
[05:14:32] wagnerrp: you're supposed to give it the hostname or address that you want to connect to
[05:14:33] AnthonyUK: im trying to type in the second line of hostname:0.0
[05:15:06] AnthonyUK: the user name for this windows 7 account is "Anthony" and
[05:15:09] wagnerrp: specifically, you're using SSH on your windows desktop to open a virtual terminal on the mythbuntu machine, and manage negotiation of your X11 authentication credentials
[05:15:22] AnthonyUK: nothing happens it says
[05:16:29] AnthonyUK: so is it supposed to be "ssh -Y <windows account name>"?
[05:16:42] wagnerrp: no, its supposed to be <hostname or IP address>
[05:16:47] wagnerrp: SSH is Secure SHell
[05:16:51] AnthonyUK: i can do ip address
[05:16:52] wagnerrp: it's remote terminal access
[05:17:09] AnthonyUK: the ip address of the compp im typing on now is 192.168.0.2
[05:17:32] AnthonyUK: so i do "ssh -Y 192.168.0.2"?
[05:18:14] AnthonyUK: while im here can you tell me how to remove the hostname i put on
[05:18:22] AnthonyUK: lol
[05:18:29] wagnerrp: eh?
[05:19:05] AnthonyUK: before i said i typed "ssh -Y <account name on backend>"
[05:19:14] AnthonyUK: you said i should'ng have type that
[05:19:33] wagnerrp: you shouldn't have, because it wouldn't do anything
[05:19:35] AnthonyUK: but it added it to the hosts list permanantly
[05:19:38] wagnerrp: not because it's in any way bad
[05:19:49] wagnerrp: apparently there was a machine on your network by that hostname
[05:19:56] wagnerrp: and it was running SSH
[05:20:09] AnthonyUK: ok i typed it this time but it hung for ages then i got a connection timed out so im gona drop my firewall
[05:20:19] wagnerrp: and you merely stored the public key for it, so next time you try to connect, you can be sure it is that same machine
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[05:24:32] AnthonyUK: "hostname:server.screen" the hostname in this i type the local ip for the computer im on right?
[05:24:44] AnthonyUK: 192.168.0.2:0.0
[05:24:51] skd5aner: wagnerrp: night
[05:24:52] wagnerrp: only if you're setting the screen manually, rather than letting ssh do it for you
[05:24:57] wagnerrp: later
[05:25:07] wagnerrp: and then you don't simply type that
[05:25:13] AnthonyUK: k
[05:25:14] wagnerrp: theres more to it, so you shouldn't worry about it
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[05:25:17] wagnerrp: just let ssh do it
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[06:32:39] wagnerrp: make sure you have decent passwords on any active accounts before doing so
[06:32:49] AnthonyUK: erm how do i collect them just keep putty open or something?
[06:32:54] AnthonyUK: righto
[06:33:13] AnthonyUK: i dont so i wont do it right away hehe
[06:33:25] AnthonyUK: il pw up real strong next time i do my fresh install
[06:33:58] wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/rWGJmRdD
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[06:34:53] AnthonyUK: is that like 20 seconds of you opening your port 22?
[06:35:16] wagnerrp: no, just the start of the file since the last time it filled up and got rotated
[06:35:31] wagnerrp: there was an attack in progress when it rotated
[06:36:04] AnthonyUK: so when i come to try opening port 22 what program do i open to capture the list of compromised servers?
[06:36:30] wagnerrp: there are bots littered all over the internet that just scan for open services like ssh, and then try log into them using a dictionary of usernames and passwords
[06:36:41] wagnerrp: this is just my system authentication log
[06:36:45] wagnerrp: reporting failed logins
[06:36:47] AnthonyUK: oh
[06:37:22] wagnerrp: all of these bots are typically compromised linux machines
[06:38:04] hmm: how do you know they aren't windows machines?
[06:38:04] AnthonyUK: well your ruining the image of linux i had in my mind of been more secure
[06:38:21] wagnerrp: i'm not running linux
[06:38:21] AnthonyUK: linux is still better than windows right?
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[06:38:48] AnthonyUK: what os do you have?
[06:38:49] wagnerrp: and out of curiosity i've fingerprinted a handful of these in the past
[06:38:56] wagnerrp: most of them are some linux blen or another
[06:39:16] hmm: interesting...
[06:39:52] AnthonyUK: I thought linux servers could run for years without reboots, if they are compromised so often dont they constantly need fresh installs
[06:40:09] hmm: people just don't realize they are compromised
[06:40:43] hmm: is there a sandbox program for linux?
[06:40:55] hmm: I use sandboxie all the time on windows
[06:40:58] wagnerrp: LXC
[06:41:27] hmm: do you know if it works like sandboxie?
[06:41:44] hmm: figure I should have my folks use it when webbrowsing
[06:41:55] wagnerrp: LXC is linux's container mechanism
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[06:42:16] wagnerrp: security framework for filesystem, hardware, and network isolation
[06:42:21] wagnerrp: basically, chroot on steroids
[06:42:22] tonsofpcs: interesting
[06:42:29] hmm: hmm.. I will have to check that out
[06:42:40] tonsofpcs: can sandboxie be used as a machine lock-down system for casual-use 'loaner' computers?
[06:42:47] wagnerrp: no
[06:42:48] AnthonyUK: ive not heard of sandboxie before, is it a good way to browse web without leaving a trail
[06:42:59] wagnerrp: without leaving a trail?
[06:43:01] hmm: on your computer?
[06:43:03] wagnerrp: everyone leaves a trail
[06:43:07] AnthonyUK: cos that inprivate browsing aint exactly private is it
[06:43:22] tonsofpcs: I don't see "DOD Wipe when done" on the list of features...
[06:43:25] wagnerrp: "private browsing" just means it clears all cache and cookies when you're done
[06:43:42] AnthonyUK: yes but the files are still on the hdd, they are recoverable
[06:43:49] tonsofpcs: nor do I see "grind drive to iron oxide dust and run that dust over a bulk eraser 500 times"
[06:44:01] wagnerrp: tonsofpcs: only if they made it to swap
[06:44:09] wagnerrp: and you don't want to bother trying to recover from swap
[06:44:20] hmm: yeah nothing short of dban won't make something recoverable
[06:44:33] tonsofpcs: wagnerrp: watch disk usage as you run a web browser.
[06:44:33] AnthonyUK: dban broke my maxtor
[06:44:56] AnthonyUK: i learnt later that maxtor firmware isnt part of a chip they use part of the hdd to store the firmware
[06:44:57] tonsofpcs: entropy broke my seagate.
[06:45:01] AnthonyUK: well on some models anyway
[06:45:13] tonsofpcs: AnthonyUK: this seems similar to what happened on my seagate 1.5TB disk
[06:45:23] AnthonyUK: so when you wipe the disk the firmware that controls the hdd gets wiped too
[06:45:40] wagnerrp: secure wipes are nonsense
[06:46:19] wagnerrp: a single pass from /dev/random, or even /dev/null is plenty sufficient to make it irrecoverable to anyone lacking a clean room and half a million dollars worth of equipment
[06:46:31] AnthonyUK: ive not done it yet, but soon im gona have a clear out, i just wana make sure that when i sell some hdd's that they are clean
[06:46:50] AnthonyUK: dod 3 passes and more was for when hdd's was smaller capacity than they are now,
[06:47:00] AnthonyUK: now the fields are so small that one pass does it
[06:47:08] AnthonyUK: I just run 3 anyway hehe
[06:47:29] wagnerrp: because when you're talking government espionage, you actually have to worry about someone with cleanroom and a half million dollar squid
[06:47:56] AnthonyUK: if the government was monitoring me i imagine my internet connection would be monitored
[06:48:17] AnthonyUK: so they'd already know everything i have looked at and searhced for without looking at my hdd
[06:49:07] ** wagnerrp goes back to rebuilding his boot image **
[06:50:12] hmm: well......... you can always use a vpn..
[06:50:28] AnthonyUK: i have no clue how to use them, im gona have to learn i think
[06:50:50] wagnerrp: it means you've got some remote endpoint elsewhere on the internet, and are proxying your traffic through it
[06:51:11] AnthonyUK: do you have to pay for a decent one of them?
[06:51:35] wagnerrp: if you actually care to use one
[06:51:40] wagnerrp: not sure why you would
[06:52:03] hmm: personally I only use them when using a public network
[06:52:09] AnthonyUK: i use hidemyass to visit thepiratebay.org since its blocked in the uk now
[06:52:17] wagnerrp: yeah, that one is a legitimate use
[06:52:19] hmm: also when I am in china
[06:52:33] wagnerrp: routing your traffic back to your home system because you don't trust the public internet access
[06:52:47] wagnerrp: as for thepiratebay, read the topic
[06:53:07] AnthonyUK: what topic?
[06:53:14] wagnerrp: the channel topic
[06:53:27] AnthonyUK: have i broken a rule
[06:53:28] wagnerrp: type '/topic'
[06:53:31] AnthonyUK: k
[06:53:41] AnthonyUK: \topic
[06:53:48] wagnerrp: wrong one
[06:53:56] AnthonyUK: it says not enough parameters on the other one
[06:54:14] wagnerrp: "Topic for #mythtv-users is: Welcome to the official MythTV user-to-user support channel, for MythTV support only | Stable release: 0.26.0 | FAQ http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC | Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ | Use http://pastebin.com | Piracy will not be tolerated"
[06:54:25] AnthonyUK: ahh
[06:54:46] AnthonyUK: well i dont use it for piracy i use it for just backing up copies of dvd's i already own
[06:54:55] wagnerrp: that's called... piracy
[06:55:04] AnthonyUK: i thought that was legal
[06:55:08] wagnerrp: nope
[06:55:12] wagnerrp: not by a long shot
[06:55:13] AnthonyUK: since when
[06:55:17] wagnerrp: since forever
[06:55:35] wagnerrp: you can't download someone else's DVD rip, and claim you're making backups
[06:55:43] wagnerrp: it doesn't work like that
[06:55:48] hmm: maybe laws are different in UK?
[06:55:50] AnthonyUK: but if the dvd is scratched and unplayable
[06:56:01] hmm: although I doubt it
[06:56:05] wagnerrp: then you buy a new one, or see if you can get the distributor to replace it
[06:56:07] AnthonyUK: esentially i still have a legal right to the content
[06:56:25] hmm: but in many euro countries piracy is a misdemanor
[06:56:28] wagnerrp: you have a legal right to the content on that physical disk
[06:56:37] wagnerrp: not the content on someone else's physical dsk
[06:56:58] AnthonyUK: they are identical in most cases
[06:57:19] AnthonyUK: not that i care to argue the point, thats just how i thought it was, i never fully looked into it
[06:57:46] AnthonyUK: which countries are you guys from?
[06:57:58] wagnerrp: US
[06:58:04] hmm: US too...
[06:58:18] hmm: and yeah.. you have to make a copy of your own disc here...
[06:59:22] hmm: but yeah.. as far as I understand certain countries define piracy as "counterfeit"...
[06:59:29] hmm: as in.. you are trying to resell it
[07:00:16] wagnerrp: the bigger issue, most countries don't matter, only the one most of the developers live in
[07:00:25] hmm: haha yeah...
[07:00:26] wagnerrp: and over here, that's not even a gray area
[07:00:32] dekarl: you should not confuse unlicensed counterfeits and unlicensed copies. both go by the name of piracy.
[07:00:49] dekarl: and the channel rules make it quite clear that MythTV goes by the US rules
[07:01:36] dekarl: so some stuff that is ok in europe is off limits in here. (but distributung copies of movies via peer2peer is not ok over here anyway)
[07:01:50] AnthonyUK: i have no intention of braking the channel rules, i didnt know...
[07:02:15] hmm: yeah.. me either... just interested in the topic as a lawyer..
[07:02:34] AnthonyUK: is it ok to talk about piracy like we have just done, rather than say getting a specific type of movie form a specific site
[07:02:46] AnthonyUK: in a general manner
[07:03:09] dekarl: thats the copies you are allowed to do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy and the price you pay for that right
[07:03:21] wagnerrp: any discussion of piracy is off limits, beyond to say why it is off limits
[07:03:41] tonsofpcs: wellll...... there are legitimate ways to copy and share content in the US but they're quite nuanced.
[07:04:14] wagnerrp: and all of them involve short clips, not full episodes
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[07:04:34] wagnerrp: excerpts for news reports and the like
[07:04:34] tonsofpcs: wagnerrp: not exactly.
[07:04:49] tonsofpcs: (and no, I'm not talking Fair Use)
[07:05:15] dekarl: lucky you, for germany it was just ruled that even short pieces of music may not be sampled.. Basically audio sampling was forbidden completely
[07:05:33] dekarl: so many international act now break german law :D
[07:06:48] hmm: yeah.. I remember reading about that ruling... sort of surprising... or not so surprising
[07:08:35] dekarl: another bad law :/ http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&am . . . gierung.html
[07:09:25] AnthonyUK: ive just read a few things here that say you can download a copy if you own it already, the trouble comes when your torrent client is uploading i.e. sharing copyrighted material to others who do not have an oringal copy
[07:10:07] AnthonyUK: if that was true only thing to do is set your upload to 0 but then the torrent protocol sees you as a non sharer so you get slower speeds
[07:10:57] dekarl: AnthonyUK: not being prosecuted != legal
[07:11:12] AnthonyUK: lol
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[07:11:41] AnthonyUK: tbh i think they're tightening up over here like they have in the US
[07:12:12] AnthonyUK: i wont mention names but one site is banned in the uk, and another one that is uk based got shut down
[07:12:34] hmm: the US has always been this way haha.... I don't exactly agree with them from a philosophical standpoint.. and I know several of my law profs didnt either
[07:13:13] AnthonyUK: so anyways bk to sandboxie, if you run that with say firefox in it, will it not leave a trail on your hdd
[07:14:18] AnthonyUK: tbh I don't know whats right hmm, years ago you paid through the nose in this country for VHS movies
[07:14:41] AnthonyUK: and they made alot of money, now its swung to far in the other direction I think
[07:14:51] hmm: well.. it's basically the same as the delete function.. except it doesn't go into the recycling bin
[07:15:04] hmm: yeah.. I am more angry about the length
[07:15:10] hmm: of copyrights
[07:15:19] AnthonyUK: oh thats no good, I can find and recover files that have been shift deleted
[07:15:24] hmm: and patent laws in general
[07:15:28] hmm: patent trolls, etc.
[07:15:32] AnthonyUK: yah
[07:15:34] dekarl: I wonder why no one abused DMCA to shut down kreuz.net with false claims...
[07:16:59] hmm: what the heck is kreuz.net
[07:17:12] AnthonyUK: aye was wondering the same
[07:17:17] AnthonyUK: was googlling dmca hehe
[07:17:21] hmm: my german isnt as good as it used to be haha
[07:17:29] hmm: sounds like a ultra right wing
[07:17:39] hmm: section of the catholic church?
[07:17:41] hmm: website?
[07:17:48] dekarl: after all DMCA would have done some good then :) (catholic, racist, homophobe, "news" portal in german that no one could shut down or make out who runs it...)
[07:18:26] dekarl: hosted in the US... it just got pulled off the net when someone called the ISP and explained to them what they where hosting...
[07:18:30] AnthonyUK: Digital Millenium Copyright Act is what came up in a search engine
[07:19:13] hmm: hahah that's funny...
[07:20:03] dekarl: DMCA would have come in handy as the site itself likely would not react and so the ISP has to pull it from the net. As false claims are not prosecuted that should have been a five minute job... While the police can't call the ISP they could have filed false claims...
[07:20:53] hmm: yup... dmca can be a big problem.......
[07:21:01] hmm: especially when you have legal rights over the content
[07:21:14] dekarl: like NASA? ;)
[07:21:36] hmm: hahaha
[07:22:40] hmm: I think DMCA is a problem also for security researchers...
[07:23:20] dekarl: DMCA is a problem for anyone publishing anything :(
[07:24:45] dekarl: but no worries. We will add some equally bad laws in the old world soonish. (Lex Google News)
[07:24:50] hmm: I remember reading the decss cases.... reasoning sort of pissed me off...
[07:25:33] hmm: what's lex google?
[07:26:26] hmm: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that's what they call it over there hahaha
[07:26:40] hmm: you think that will pass?
[07:28:44] dekarl: aye, we must protect the poor publishing houses from the bad internet. After all that quality work! (copy'n'pasting from agency tickers and other news sites) I wonder why google didn't buy DAPD when they went bankrupt ;)
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[07:30:48] dekarl: which reminds me to find a sponsor for a reuters feed to start my own "newspaper" with nice SEO and ads :)
[07:32:13] tonsofpcs: is there a way to search all known listings?
[07:41:30] AnthonyUK: wish i had the answer for you tonsofpcs but I've had mythtv installed for 8 hours now
[07:41:30] dekarl: tonsofpcs: enter the search term into the field on the top of mythweb?
[07:41:47] tonsofpcs: dekarl: yea, just ended up doingg that, was hoping for something in-app
[07:42:13] tonsofpcs: of course, if the guide data doesn't acknowledge a program existing it's quite hard....
[07:42:25] tonsofpcs: (kicked that back 'upstairs' to the people who deal with guide data ;)
[07:43:37] dekarl: enter time search, hit CTRL+S and start typing
[07:44:06] dekarl: or simply set up a search recording rule
[07:45:08] dekarl: The latter being, what I consider, the MythTV Way [tm] (just adding a rule to record everything that mentions "Capoeira" :)
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[07:51:29] lapion: I have been trying to find the option to enable the changing of brightness, contrast and such, during playback.
[07:54:34] dekarl: lapion: never used that and it appears to be limited in where it works, but see http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /258116.html
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[08:00:44] lapion: dekarl, that option seems to completely disappeared.
[08:01:43] AnthonyUK: well im tired, gn everyone, and thankyou wagnerrp for all your help earlier.
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[15:21:46] eric_in_ohio: anyone give me some advice on tuner setup? I have 2 tuner HR and a USB...they seem to work fine...I want to make the USB tuner only for watching live tv, the homerun only for recording
[15:22:26] eric_in_ohio: will setting the live tv priority to 1 on the usb, and 0 on the homeruns accomplish this?
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[15:35:34] bsilvereagle: Does anyone know if there is a command to take one tuner and get all the EIT data?
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[15:49:45] tonsofpcs: eric_in_ohio: from my minor playing, I don't believe so, but I think there's a way you can flag a tuner to not be used for recordings (it might be per-channel though so it might be a PITA depending on how many channels you have)
[15:50:17] bsilvereagle: eric_in_ohio: in the backend setup if you give a tuner a 0 for recording prefernce it won't be used
[15:54:33] bsilvereagle: I guess a better question is if there is a way to only do an active scan if a tuner is idle
[15:57:28] bas-t: bsilvereagle: did you fix your backend yet?
[15:57:50] bsilvereagle: bas-t: which problem? :P the hdmi audio – no. the mythweb – no.
[15:58:41] bas-t: the problem in which mythbackend tried to access mysql to soon
[15:59:08] bas-t: or am i mistaken..
[15:59:26] bsilvereagle: I wasn't running into that one afaik.
[15:59:58] bas-t: so i'm wrong
[16:02:20] bas-t: ah, i remember the softvol discussion, that was you was'nt it?
[16:02:39] bsilvereagle: yup
[16:03:25] bas-t: any progress? what version/distro are you running?
[16:04:13] bsilvereagle: myhtbuntu + .26 & no progress on the volume. I stopped and moved on to other issues shrotly after our discussion
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[16:07:26] bas-t: myhtbuntu + .26 should not stop softvol though
[16:07:56] bas-t: fixes/0.26 does not
[16:08:36] bsilvereagle: right, you've got an Nvidia card, this is integrated Intel and I haven't seen any proof of softvol working with Intel cards
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[16:10:34] bas-t: integrated nvidia ion, and i had to google for like forever to make it work...
[16:11:32] bas-t: took me at least 3 months
[16:13:28] bas-t: btw, integrated intel is present in my machine too
[16:14:54] bsilvereagle: but that's not what's driving your HDMI is it?
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[16:15:18] bas-t: nope
[16:16:45] bsilvereagle: yeah, it's the Intel driving mine
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[16:19:02] Chasm: I was wondering if anyone with a myth install is using a digital cable box that only supports RF remotes? The DC box my telco provided me – a Motorola DCX 700 – supports RF remotes only. The IR remote port on the back of the box is disabled
[16:19:09] bas-t: outside of myth, do you have controll over the volume?
[16:20:34] bas-t: like in a utube video?
[16:21:46] bas-t: that should work first, and if it does, myth should follow
[16:25:18] bas-t: Chasm: you are running mythfrontend on your cable box?
[16:26:06] Chasm: bas-t – my front and backend are running on a standalone PC
[16:26:33] bas-t: so why use the cable box remote?
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[16:27:34] bas-t: you want to manage your pc with a remote, don't you?
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[16:28:37] Chasm: bas-t – the way I understand it, I need some way for myth to tell the DC box to change its channels to whatever channel I need to record. I have the video from the DC box fed into the Video in on my Hpage 250 capture card
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[16:30:25] bas-t: afaik you cannot, unless you have got a remote extender. (don't know if that is the proper word)
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[16:33:05] Chasm: yeah – that's what I thought. if I could find a way to Activate the IR port on the Digital Cable box I'd be all set, but the Cabco has everything locked down.
[16:34:03] Chasm: This really sucks.
[16:35:49] bas-t: maybe there is some not to risky hardware mod
[16:37:06] bas-t: or use some descent tuner cards for the PC
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[16:38:29] bas-t: Is the DC box digital
[16:38:46] bas-t: or analogue?
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[16:40:43] wagnerrp: aren't all boxes digital these days?
[16:40:54] Chasm: Its digital ;)
[16:40:59] bas-t: i mean the output
[16:41:40] Chasm: Oh – the output
[16:42:03] bas-t: wher i live, there are some boxes that are digital, but only analogue output
[16:42:06] Chasm: I think it's analoge – my tv only has RCA connector inputs
[16:42:51] Chasm: Same thing with the Haupage (sp) 250
[16:43:09] Chasm: that's installed in my mythbox
[16:43:57] Chasm: i guess the telco's box takes the digital signal and converts it to analogue for certain ports on the back
[16:44:16] bas-t: same here.ok, my advice: use one or more gigital tv tuner cards within your PC
[16:44:57] bas-t: digital*
[16:45:52] bas-t: discard that, you would have to buy a new tv set too
[16:46:30] Chasm: ;-)
[16:47:05] Chasm: All of it comes down though to myth being able to communicate eith the digital box the telco gave me
[16:47:23] wagnerrp: chasm: what provider, specifically?
[16:48:14] Chasm: Wagnerrp – i'm with Eastlink in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
[16:48:40] wagnerrp: canada... cablecard tuners won't do any good up there
[16:49:19] Chasm: Unfortunately
[16:49:57] Chasm: i can always rent a DVR box from eastlink, but that's a last resort :-
[16:52:04] Chasm: I'd hate to put my Mythbox out to pasture, but it's looking like that's what's going to happen.
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[17:10:16] bsilvereagle: on certain channels (primarily PBS stations) the audio will be fine then get whipser quiet then return to normal. Any thoughts? alsamixer isn't fluctuating and it's connected via HDMI so myth shouldn't be touching the volume
[17:11:19] bsilvereagle: it feels like it's on a sine wave or something, loud, quiet, loud, quiet with smooth transitions
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[17:15:01] jams: Chasm, have you tried asking for an ir capable box from the provider? it's not that unreasonable of request.
[17:18:27] Chasm: jams -the motorola dcx700 is the only non-dvr model they offer (hey two choices is better than one ;-) Bell Aliant is the other city cable provider – I'll be giving them a call today to see what they have on offer. I should also sent a shout of the mythtv e-mail list – there should be one other person in my area under similar circumstances
[17:19:15] Chasm: Or rather, there has to be
[17:20:05] Chasm: I appreciate everyones input as always
[17:22:44] jams: may or may not apply, but in addition to the standard cable box and DVR model they might have a digital adapter.
[17:23:03] jams: Which is in essence a cable box without the guide or ppv stuff
[17:23:27] wagnerrp: and typically standard definition
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[18:01:00] StevenR_: hi. How do I automatically update the mythmusic database? I'd like to set up a cron job to do this every week.
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[18:01:16] StevenR_: is there an API or set of bindings or some CLI tool I can use?
[18:01:26] wagnerrp: not at this time
[18:02:01] StevenR_: wagnerrp: so there's nothing apart from going into the frontend and doing it manually?
[18:02:06] wagnerrp: correct
[18:02:22] StevenR_: is this feature planned for future development?
[18:02:54] wagnerrp: likely to happen when mythmusic becomes incorporated into the core
[18:03:02] wagnerrp: and partially shifted into the backend
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[18:05:36] StevenR_: wagnerrp: I see. Thanks.
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[18:06:41] FabriceMG: now in 0.26, it's possible to show in programm guide the picture of program
[18:09:30] FabriceMG: sample: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=23m3afl&s=6
[18:09:37] EvilGuru: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/12/15/0055 . . . -file-system — sigh
[18:11:23] EvilGuru: I really may start have to start recommending XFS for / and not just mythtv storage groups/NFS servers
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[20:36:58] lautriv: hey there ;) i installed(upgraded) versions 0.26.0-dmo2 (debian) on most of my machines and now i would upgrade one more box but itz seems that version vanished ?
[20:37:29] wagnerrp: is there any 0.26.0 version?
[20:37:59] lautriv: nah, all debian-multimedia mirrors i looked in are back to 0.25.x
[20:39:46] lautriv: even the upgraded boxes don't see it so i guess either a regression or some change in the repo
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[20:58:54] lautriv: ok, fixed that.....looks like mirrors didn't change to the new domain :)
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[21:18:58] andrewsw: Hi, I'm having trouble getting guide data populated the way I'd like.
[21:19:36] [R]: how do you like it?
[21:20:08] bsilvereagle: andrewsw: overtheair or something else?
[21:20:09] andrewsw: heh. I am getting guide data from SchedulesDirect and it maps onto one set of channels for my DVB card,
[21:20:16] andrewsw: but not to the HD channels.
[21:20:40] andrewsw: I populated the database using...
[21:20:44] [R]: set the xmltvid
[21:20:56] andrewsw: scte65scan
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[21:21:19] andrewsw: [R]: right, I've tried that and then re-run mythfilldatabase, but it doesn't update the guide for the station I've set.
[21:21:36] andrewsw: are there other keys for joining that data? or is it only xmltvid?
[21:21:52] [R]: and that channel is in the correct videosource?
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[21:21:57] [R]: its just xmltvid
[21:22:09] andrewsw: [R]: I have only one video source configured at the moment.
[21:22:34] [R]: then it should be filling in the cnanne
[21:22:37] [R]: if the xmltvid is right
[21:23:06] andrewsw: okay, so I copied the xmltvid from one channel that was getting guide data, to another version of the same channel and it doesn't populate.
[21:23:09] andrewsw: hmmm...
[21:23:26] andrewsw: does mythfilldatabase populate *all* channels with the xmltvid or just the first one it finds?
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[21:25:17] andrewsw: so here is an example. we have KATUDT, channel 702 which is a SD broadcast of KATU.
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[21:25:44] andrewsw: but my scanning also found KATU-HD, channel 2.1, which is the HD version of the same station
[21:25:58] andrewsw: I get guide data for 702 from ScheduleDirect.
[21:26:14] andrewsw: so I copy the xmltvid over to 2.1, re-run mythfilldatabase, no dice.
[21:28:18] [R]: should work
[21:29:50] andrewsw: hmmm...
[21:30:20] andrewsw: well, I think I've mucked it up pretty good now and should perhaps start over from scratch.
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[21:33:47] andrewsw: I think perhaps I should delete all the channels, rescan, delete all the known bad channels, update xmltvids manually and then rerun mythfilldatabase.
[21:33:55] andrewsw: does this seems reasonable?
[21:38:19] Seeker`: has anyone else got blurays stored as BDMV folders that is running on master?
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[22:01:30] Technophil: Hi Peoples, I am looking to move my mythbuntu 10.04 main OS drive 120G that is on its last legs to a 60G SSD. I was going to DD the boot partition across however it has a file /proc/kcore that is said to be 128TB in size (nautilus)
[22:02:19] [R]: /proc is a virtual filesystem
[22:02:21] [R]: its not on your drive
[22:06:35] Technophil: So thats not a scar from bad sectors then... I am rsync'ing the drive to a media drive for a start
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[22:06:45] Technophil: So have an exclude list
[22:08:10] Technophil: Can anyone suggest what partitions are required on a fast SSD, for example is there any need now for a swap partition? (also 4GB RAM in system)
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[22:09:18] [R]: putting swap on an ssd is a very bad idea
[22:09:23] [R]: not having swap is also a bad idea
[22:09:56] Technophil: Put it on a media HDD then?
[22:12:05] wagnerrp: why no swap on ssds?
[22:12:40] Technophil: This is on a 520 series Intel SSD, I understand why on older ones....
[22:13:00] wagnerrp: ZFS is designed to use SSDs as ARC scratch space
[22:13:17] wagnerrp: basically one large chunk of temporary non-volatile storage to replace battery backed RAM
[22:13:42] wagnerrp: swap shouldn't get used often
[22:14:10] wagnerrp: and on the chance it does get used, the wear leveling routines on a decent SSD should handle it with no problem
[22:16:49] Technophil: I am thinking the best way to swap the drive is to run up the standard mythbuntu 10.04 CD onto the new SSD, and then copy the main partition files across using DD
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[22:18:50] andrewsw: [R]: resetting worked. I have guide data now. thanks for listening!
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[23:09:44] tonsofpcs: hmmm, channel 7 is coming in at 50% today.... channel 7 has more powwer than everyone else and part of my antenna design gives them loss because otherwise they overload the receiver before anything else is receivable...
[23:12:08] tonsofpcs: anyone know what forums people post on about OTA reception? I seem to remember one where eery mmarket had a section....
[23:12:28] [R]: avsforums?
[23:14:55] tonsofpcs: (US markets)
[23:15:06] tonsofpcs: (sorry for delay, my PC just hit a brick wall withh some script in firefox...)
[23:15:40] tonsofpcs: [R]: do they have a per-market thread or section? for some reason, I thought there was one dedicated to OTA reception and the like...
[23:16:13] tonsofpcs: ah, "Local HDTV info and reception"
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