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Saturday, December 1st, 2012, 00:01 UTC
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[00:09:52] tgm4883: Is there any chance of this getting fixed in 0.25-fixes http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10504
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[01:12:48] gryphon68: MythTV setup won't retrieve all my SD lineups, already tried Re-Add Lineups on SD. Any suggestions?
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[03:43:33] tonsofpcs: hmmm... is there a functional android frontend?
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[04:15:08] N0BOX: tonsofpcs: sort of
[04:15:39] N0BOX: there are two android apps that work with mythtv
[04:15:58] N0BOX: one is called MythTV Go, and the other is just called mythfrontend
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[04:16:40] N0BOX: neither is particularly useful, but they do have a bit of limited functionality
[04:17:27] dmfrey: Captain_Murdoch, ping
[04:17:43] Captain_Murdoch: here
[04:18:30] N0BOX: tonsofpcs: I find it a lot easier to have my backend transcode the recordings to h.264 high profile with a constant ratefactor of 22
[04:18:50] N0BOX: then I can just watch the videos over cifs
[04:20:00] dmfrey: question for, is the /Frontend/PlayRecording fully implemented yet?
[04:20:15] Captain_Murdoch: tonsofpcs, it's more a function of is there a functional HLS player for Android. that's one of the big issues sometimes IMHO.
[04:20:37] Captain_Murdoch: dmfrey, I thought so, I think that Robert uses it in his Torc app.
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[04:20:47] dmfrey: we set it up in mythtv android frontend and the FE accepts the command
[04:20:53] dmfrey: but nothing ends up playing
[04:20:55] Captain_Murdoch: might be a timezone issue if you can't get it to work right.
[04:20:56] dmfrey: on the fe
[04:21:06] Captain_Murdoch: are you sending UTC?
[04:21:11] dmfrey: i am converting everything to utc
[04:22:00] dmfrey: ah, that might actually be it
[04:22:13] dmfrey: this one spot doesn't seem to be converting to utc before sending
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[04:22:42] Captain_Murdoch: looks like it uses the network control interface to actually do the playing also.
[04:23:23] wagnerrp: ugh...
[04:23:44] wagnerrp: im trying to build a new kernel, but for some reason, i cannot seem to get the kernel module versions to match up with the kernel
[04:23:47] wagnerrp: it makes no sense
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[04:24:13] Captain_Murdoch: calls the jump point to go to the playbackbox then sends a NETWORK_CONTROL command to the playbackbox similar to how the network control socket interface fires off playback.
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[04:25:17] Captain_Murdoch: dmfrey, 0.25 or 0.26 or master?
[04:25:25] dmfrey: .26
[04:25:35] Captain_Murdoch: ok.
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[04:26:53] Captain_Murdoch: I see a toLocalTime() call when the API code triggers the playback, so if your end looks correct, there might be a bug in the API code. I don't think that should convert since the recording's starttime is now referenced in UTC.
[04:27:57] dmfrey: here is what it does...
[04:28:03] dmfrey: start fe on main screen
[04:28:21] dmfrey: in app find a program, press button to send network control
[04:28:33] dmfrey: fe responds by taking me to the recordings page
[04:28:39] dmfrey: but video never starts
[04:29:34] dmfrey: also, if you are already watching a recording, it kills that one and takes you to the recordings page
[04:30:31] dmfrey: looks like using curl to produce the same rest call causes the same results on the FE
[04:30:43] dmfrey: always just goes to the recordings page, never starts the video
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[04:31:38] Captain_Murdoch: if you turn on "-v general --loglevel info" on the FE, you should see messages when it tries to find the program you asked it to play.
[04:31:54] Captain_Murdoch: something like "NetworkControl: Trying to %1 program '%2' @ '%3'"
[04:32:01] wagnerrp: oh linux kernel, why do you hate me so...
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[04:32:37] Captain_Murdoch: dmfrey, I think it's the time issue.
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[04:33:25] dmfrey: ok, let me restart it like that
[04:33:37] Captain_Murdoch: if that log entry looks wrong and if you want to test a fix and you compile from source, you can edit programs/mythfrontend/services/frontend.cpp and search for Frontend::PlayRecording() and scroll down till you see starttime.toLocalTime().toString("yyyyMMddhhmmss") and get rid of the .toLocalTime() in the middle of that and if that works, then you'll have fully understood a really long run-on sentence.
[04:34:08] dmfrey: :)
[04:34:18] Matthewo: Hi
[04:35:15] wagnerrp: !!!!
[04:35:24] ** Captain_Murdoch remembers he can't compile git master on his dev box anymore, but that's a simple enough patch commit that compile testing in his main master checkout wouldn't absolutely be required. **
[04:35:40] wagnerrp: i've rebuilt a dozen times, and each time i've been updating the wrong damn initramfs
[04:35:46] wagnerrp: i changed the location and then forgot...
[04:36:02] Matthewo: Is there an easy way to see what mythtranscode is doing? It is pegging the CPU and I don't think I have any shows set up to be transcoded. I recently upgraded to .26 from .25.
[04:36:50] Captain_Murdoch: Matthewo, not unless you already run with some verbose debugging. you could tail its log file, but it normally only prints out the percentage complete as it works I think.
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[04:38:34] dmfrey: Captain_Murdoch, this is all i get with the log level set they way you mentioned: http://pastebin.com/vFMsJnr6
[04:39:09] Captain_Murdoch: so is that the right starttime for the recording?
[04:39:27] dmfrey: in utc, yes
[04:39:28] dmfrey: for me
[04:39:35] dmfrey: 5 hours off of 8pm
[04:41:40] Captain_Murdoch: can you restart the FE and use "-v network --loglevel debug". you should see a response to the NETWORK_CONTROL PLAY command. it should either say an OK or ERROR depending on whether it could find the recording or not.
[04:41:48] dmfrey: this is what comes back from /Dvr/GetRecordedList for starttime : 2012-11–29T01:00:00Z
[04:41:58] dmfrey: sure
[04:42:03] dmfrey: one sec
[04:42:52] Captain_Murdoch: oh, wait, but the starttime in the logs is in local time, that's what I was thinking, so it can't find the program because we use UTC starttimes now. I think this is that toLocalTime() call messing this up.
[04:43:37] Captain_Murdoch: for kicks, can you add 5 hours and retry your curl test and see if it works?
[04:44:08] Captain_Murdoch: if so, that will confirm it I think.
[04:45:00] dmfrey: add 5 hours to the utc time?
[04:45:10] Captain_Murdoch: yeah
[04:45:16] dmfrey: ok, one sec
[04:46:01] Captain_Murdoch: since the API code is converting to localtime, it's subtracting the 5 hours before trying to start playback and ending up with the wrong starttime. so if you add 5 hours in a curl test, you'll offset that and it should work I think.
[04:48:50] dmfrey: that did it
[04:48:53] dmfrey: now plays
[04:50:43] Captain_Murdoch: ok, do you compile from source? if you could test that fix it would be great and then I can commit.
[04:51:04] dmfrey: i don't
[04:51:11] dmfrey: running mythbuntu
[04:51:28] Captain_Murdoch: ok, I'll look for an example or ask Daniel or Stuart M about it and they could confirm it's the right fix before I commit.
[04:51:38] bill6502: dmfrey: Can you push what you're testing, I build from source (0.27-pre2)
[04:52:19] Captain_Murdoch: bill6502, if you build from source, you can apply the 1-line change manually and then I can commit to MythTV's git. dmfrey doesn't have access to that.
[04:53:21] Matthewo: I tried to play a show using Android Frontend and the mythtranscode log says "Transcoding for HTTP Live Streaming". Is there a way to turn this feature off?
[04:54:07] Captain_Murdoch: no toLocalTime() calls anywhere in any of the backend service API code, so I think it can be removed on this line. I'll go ahead and commit.
[04:54:08] wagnerrp: turn what feature roff?
[04:54:23] bill6502: Captain_Murdoch: I have the 1.0.3 MythTV Android Frontend, it sounded like dmfrey was testing something he hadn't pushed yet.
[04:54:33] wagnerrp: you need to use the HLS feature to put the recording in a format the android device can handle
[04:54:38] Captain_Murdoch: bill6502, yeah, he's testing a work-around for a bug in mythfrontend
[04:54:58] Captain_Murdoch: and since the work-around worked I'll fix the bug. wasn't sure it was a bug until he tested.
[04:55:16] dmfrey: bill6502, yes, this is in source. I can push it but you will have to build both the app and the services api library as it hasn't made its way to maven central yet
[04:57:09] bill6502: dmfrey: ah maven. I'll watch for it tomorrow morning and put Captain_Murdoch's one-liner in.
[04:57:36] Captain_Murdoch: bill6502, my one-liner is about to go into master in a minute or two.
[04:58:08] dmfrey: ok, i will back out my 5 hour adjustment
[04:58:19] dmfrey: then commit it and build a new one for maven central
[04:58:27] dmfrey: and the app should handle the rest
[04:58:45] dmfrey: you will have to change your fe ip address in the code in EpisodeFragment
[04:59:00] dmfrey: since the zeroconf stuff isn't in this part of the app yet
[04:59:45] Matthewo: My backend does not have the CPU power to affectively transcode. I wasn't aware of anything that would trigger it to transcode automatically. If there is, I would like to prevent any future transcodes. If the app requested it, i just won't use the app.
[05:00:16] dmfrey: Matthewo, i don't understand
[05:00:25] wagnerrp: he wants to disable the HLS mechanism
[05:00:33] wagnerrp: because his CPU is not powerful enough to do it
[05:00:35] dmfrey: if you don't want to kick off a HLS, then don't press the watch button
[05:00:42] wagnerrp: exactly
[05:00:49] dmfrey: the app doesn't do the HLS automatically
[05:01:11] Matthewo: ok
[05:02:07] Captain_Murdoch: dmfrey, that bug was already reported as well with the same patch on trac and there's a second ticket referencing it as well.
[05:02:29] dmfrey: Matthewo, we are working a way to add a HLS queue, much like a playlist. So you could do it in off hours if you like, then come back and watch it at a later time
[05:03:46] dmfrey: Captain_Murdoch, now that everything is in UTC, is the toLocalTime needed at all?
[05:05:43] Captain_Murdoch: no, that's what my patch (and the one in the ticket) took out.
[05:05:45] Matthewo: One last question. The transcode job is not showing up in the backend status. Is that a problem?
[05:05:58] Captain_Murdoch: Matthewo, HLS transcodes aren't real jobs.
[05:06:02] Matthewo: ah
[05:06:08] wagnerrp: no, it operates independently of the jobqueue
[05:06:15] Captain_Murdoch: they need to happen now, and the jobqueue doesn't support that currently.
[05:06:29] dmfrey: Matthewo, go to http://your_backend_ip:6544/
[05:06:34] dmfrey: you can see those jobs there
[05:07:05] dmfrey: we have instructions on the wiki for all that
[05:07:18] dmfrey: you can now access the wiki and issues from the help menu in the app
[05:07:34] dmfrey: there is a lot of troubleshooting notes, etc
[05:07:59] dmfrey: all of this was released in 1.0.3 of the app available on the google play store and amazon app store
[05:09:11] dmfrey: Captain_Murdoch, btw, the next version now has the gzip compression turned on by default and downloading the program guide is much faster IMO
[05:09:18] Captain_Murdoch: nice.
[05:09:40] Matthewo: Thanks for the help.
[05:09:59] dmfrey: i have been talking with the Spring Android dev about the issue and he has identified where on there end it was broken
[05:10:18] dmfrey: i have a work around for it now
[05:10:41] dmfrey: but will switch to the correct way when they push the new version sometime in january
[05:14:55] dmfrey: bill6502, there will be a commented code in EpisodeFragment.java on line 143 that you need to change to a FE ip address
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[05:19:28] bill6502: dmfrey: Understood. I'll watch for Maven 0.0.23. And yes, I saw your emails.
[05:20:11] dmfrey: 0.0.26 is set to sync now
[05:20:19] dmfrey: they say it only takes about 2 hours
[05:20:23] dmfrey: i have never seen that
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[05:24:34] dmfrey: bill6502, all checked in and ready to go
[05:25:09] dmfrey: once maven central syncs, all dependencies should be met and you can test
[05:27:06] bill6502: dmfrey: Just pulled that. So just uncomment this: //new PlayRecordingOnFrontEndTask().execute( "http://192.168.10.200:6547" );
[05:27:13] bill6502: that is my FE's IP!
[05:27:15] dmfrey: yes
[05:27:26] bill6502: done.
[05:27:55] dmfrey: tom is going to setup a screen that uses the zeroconf stuff to display a selection list of the FEs on the network and let you select which one you want to send to
[05:28:48] bill6502: on the Preferences page?
[05:28:56] dmfrey: no, right on the episode page
[05:29:26] bill6502: neat
[05:29:30] dmfrey: you will see there is now the standard android Send button (looks like a white Play button)
[05:29:49] dmfrey: alongside the watch and add to playlist button and delete button
[05:30:25] dmfrey: then, like the delete button pops up a dialog to confirm it, you will get a similar dialog that shows the FEs
[05:30:44] dmfrey: select which one you want and it will then start to play on that FE
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[05:33:50] dmfrey: bill6502, btw, found some other issues with switching between multiple backends
[05:34:06] dmfrey: will try to clean those up this weekend...if the kids allow :)
[05:36:08] bill6502: 1st things 1st. Just notices with mythbackend down (it's building) going to the Recordings screen works OK, but then drops back to the previous screen. I'll capture some LogCat and do a proper issue.
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[06:03:03] innatetech: could someone remind me where the setting is that makes the LiveTV OSD accept direct channel number entry?
[06:03:28] innatetech: (to change the displayed channel info, not to directly tune))
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[06:04:32] innatetech: i.e. so that you don't have to up/down through the listings in the OSD.
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[06:14:20] theteju: hello guys
[06:14:49] theteju: I am on fresh install mythbunutu and trying to setup the machine as backend only
[06:15:11] theteju: how may I enter ipv6 ip address
[06:15:13] theteju: ?
[06:15:33] wagnerrp: what do you mean?
[06:15:37] [R]: very carefully?
[06:15:45] wagnerrp: with a keyboard?
[06:16:09] [R]: i see 27 pre and i'm still on 25
[06:16:12] ** [R] hangs his head in shame **
[06:16:30] wagnerrp: 0.27pre existed the moment 0.26 was cut
[06:17:04] [R]: even worse!
[06:17:12] [R]: was 0.26 tyrying to kill itself?
[06:17:46] theteju: http://imagebin.org/237762 please take a look
[06:18:22] [R]: what are we looking at
[06:18:35] wagnerrp: testicles
[06:18:45] [R]: lol?
[06:19:16] wagnerrp: theteju: your apache server is on a different machine from your backend
[06:19:16] wagnerrp: ?
[06:20:45] theteju: wagnerrp : i am confused with your question
[06:21:05] wagnerrp: your webserver is on 192.168.1.145, but your backend is on 192.168.1.107
[06:21:08] wagnerrp: does that sound correct?
[06:21:21] theteju: yes
[06:21:26] theteju: yes
[06:21:50] wagnerrp: is your backend actually running?
[06:21:58] wagnerrp: is it possible your backend is firewalled from external access?
[06:22:07] theteju: i think so , yes
[06:23:28] theteju: i dont know about firewalled
[06:23:36] theteju: backend is running, I think
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[06:27:10] theteju: wagnerrp : how to solve this?
[06:27:27] wagnerrp: use 'ps', make sure mythbackend is running
[06:27:37] wagnerrp: check your firewall settings, make sure it is not blocking communication
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[06:30:02] ** theteju this is so frustrating.. I never thought setting up mythtv setup would be so difficult, lol **
[06:30:41] wagnerrp: can you try to pull up the frontend locally on your backend machine? see if it will connect?
[06:31:39] theteju: I set it up as backend only
[06:32:35] wagnerrp: the source installer makes no differentiation between a machine running only the frontend or backend
[06:32:38] wagnerrp: everything gets installed
[06:33:00] theteju: wagnerrp : solved it..
[06:33:17] theteju: set my ip address manually and restart
[06:33:30] wagnerrp: you mean as opposed to DHCP?
[06:33:36] theteju: yes
[06:33:49] wagnerrp: you can't set a static IP through your DHCP server?
[06:34:07] theteju: you mean through router?
[06:34:18] wagnerrp: where ever the DHCP server happens to be
[06:34:45] theteju: I can , but for now, this machine is on bridged network.
[06:35:14] wagnerrp: were it bridged, you wouldn't be on a private address space
[06:35:35] theteju: wagnerrp : Please ans last question,, looks like my card and everything is set up now. How should I throw my xfs formatted media drive in it?
[06:35:53] theteju: will the system take it automatically?
[06:36:03] wagnerrp: in mythtv-setup, storage directories, add the path to the Videos storage group
[06:36:15] wagnerrp: then scan for content in the video library
[06:36:35] theteju: ok
[06:37:05] theteju: thanks
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[14:00:24] stuartm: wizbit: by default it uses your system hostname, if this changes then it will be unable to associate your per-host settings correctly but you can instead define the 'hostname' in the mythtv config and it would work just fine
[14:02:05] stuartm: basically set your "mythtv hostname" to whatever your current system hostname is, then you can change your system hostname without issue
[14:02:21] stuartm: !seen sphery
[14:02:21] MythLogBot: sphery is here and has been idle for 4 hours 14 minutes 13 seconds
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[14:49:52] gryphon68: having an issue, mythtv-setup is not retrieving SD lineups, have tried the Re-Add LIne-Up Buttons on the SD site. Any suggestions?
[14:56:23] sphery: gryphon68: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/530709#530709
[14:56:28] sphery: stuartm: need something?
[15:02:28] wizbit: !seen iamlindoro
[15:02:28] MythLogBot: iamlindoro was last seen 182 days 22 hours 10 minutes 3 seconds ago
[15:03:19] wizbit: stuartm: define the 'hostname' in the mythtv config  ?
[15:03:21] wizbit: what config?
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[15:07:48] sphery: wizbit: just fill in the hostname (alternate identifier?) or whatever in the dialog when you start mythfrontend the first time (or with -p)
[15:14:28] sphery: gotta head out, now. I'll catch you later, stua rtm
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[16:02:01] innatetech: Do I need to change a setting to get the LiveTV OSD to respond to direct channel entry via the keyboard/remote or do I have a corrupted theme?
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[16:04:09] stuartm: sphery: I was just thinking that I hadn't seen you around for a while
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[16:55:16] bill6502: dmfrey: Captain_Murdoch: Running mythtv-android-frontend-1.0.3-12-g37e9c9c and v0.27-pre2-278-g3eef99e, just tested the play function from Android. A-OK, nicely done.
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[17:04:08] bill6502: And, for extra credit, starting one recording then immediately selecting and starting a second stops the 1st and starts the 2nd.
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[17:41:28] TandyUK: sorry in advance for flood :P
[17:41:29] TandyUK: [17:38:07] <TandyUK> right help!.. :P
[17:41:29] TandyUK: [17:38:43] <TandyUK> anyone here who knows either the ngene drivers (Satix dual dvb-s2 card), or how to manually tune a satelite card in order to verify its drivers are working
[17:41:29] TandyUK: [17:39:10] <TandyUK> its pointing at the uk freeview satelites, but trying to tune in mythtv-setup i just get "failed to find any new channels"
[17:41:30] TandyUK: [17:39:44] <TandyUK> i have tried various different transponders getting details off lyngsat, both dvb-s and dvb-s2, and off different satelites
[17:41:30] TandyUK: [17:40:51] <TandyUK> Dec 1 16:16:52 myth-bedroom mythlogserver: mythbackend[7398]: W TVRecEvent dvbchannel.cpp:381 (CheckOptions) DVBChan(7:/dev/dvb/adapter3/frontend0): Selected fec_inner parameter unsupported by this driver.
[17:41:31] TandyUK: [17:41:12] <TandyUK> keeps appearing in the mythbackend log, which makes me thin k the problem lies with the driver or its config
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[17:47:20] rcasey: Anyone know of a way to stream DVDs over a local network? Basically what I'm looking to do is dump all my DVDs to ISO files on a server, then allow me to access them from anywhere in the house. I ran into some trouble with a VLC solution because, while I could see the menus remotely, I couldn't control them. I suppose I could use mythdvd and an NFS mount if I needed to, but I was hoping for a better solution. Any
[17:47:20] rcasey: thoughts?
[17:47:44] wagnerrp: mythtv will stream unencrypted ISOs internally
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[17:47:58] wagnerrp: for encryypted ones, you'll need to NFS mount them for now
[17:48:27] rcasey: is that using the mythvideo plugin?
[17:48:46] wagnerrp: there is no mythvideo or mythdvd
[17:48:58] wagnerrp: both have been integrated inside the core for some time now
[17:49:47] rcasey: Okay, that may be because I'm running the versions from Debian squeeze right now
[17:50:20] rcasey: I'll build from the latest build and see if that's a better solution
[17:53:11] rcasey: For curiosity sake, whats the limitation with streaming encrypted ISOs if myth is able to play them via locally mounted ISOs?
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[17:53:49] wagnerrp: the library we use for reading DVDs cannot decrypt them unless it reads them directly from the filesystem
[17:54:06] wagnerrp: we would have to do some funky abstraction to bypass that restriction
[17:54:16] wagnerrp: or, move the read layer to the backend
[17:55:00] rcasey: hmm... interesting
[17:55:04] stuartm: there is a patch which has yet to be integrated to support it
[17:55:19] stuartm: but I plan on looking at it for 0.27
[17:55:53] rcasey: oh, that's good to know. how far down the pipeline is the 0.27 release?
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[18:02:07] rcasey: I didn't realize quite how far behind the times I was with squeeze – I'm running 0.24.2
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[18:09:01] stuartm: Debian always uses really old versions of stuff, because by some spurious reasoning old unsupported releases are more stable than newer supported releases
[18:10:23] rcasey: Haha, I know – it's a bit of a catch 22. I enjoy the stability of knowing that what I'm using isn't going to change (and break) under me, but I hate being a year out of date on everything.
[18:10:36] [R]: i dont know if its that they are more stable... its just that they know it's stable
[18:10:42] [R]: vs not knowing if new stuff is stable
[18:11:01] rcasey: exactly
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[18:11:52] rcasey: in the past I typically used testing, as it strikes a nice balance
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[18:16:00] bas-t: Using live tv (fixes/0.26) I notice that when jumping forward AND this jumping gets me to the next show, sound will continue ok but picture gets screwed up. When I jump to a point near the end of a show and play across the finish/start of these shows, all is well. Does anyone recognise this?
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[18:23:24] bas-t: rcasey: On Squeeze, you don't have to use old stuff
[18:24:21] rcasey: I could pull from testing or unstable, but I usually start with whatever is in stable and only deviate if I'm running into a significant issue
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[18:24:58] rcasey: But you're right, I wonder what's in testing/unstable for myth – I'll take a look (although I'm building from source now)
[18:25:37] bas-t: building from source is the best
[18:25:48] bas-t: I always do it
[18:26:30] rcasey: when I was using mythtv a lot (about 3 years ago) that was always my preferred solution – I always hope that I can get away without it though
[18:27:02] bas-t: not in my world
[18:28:48] bas-t: everything gets linked to the actually available libs on your system, so more stable building from source
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[18:34:10] rcasey: yeah, definitely
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[18:34:50] rcasey: The problem I run into is that I'm an embedded devloper and none of the tools I need are ever packaged correctly
[18:35:29] bas-t: when on squeeze, you have to use oppserver's repo to get anything descent though...
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[18:39:37] bas-t: I would like to have the time to learn linux from scratch, avoiding all those packaging issues (and get loads of other issues, which I then can resolve myself)
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[18:50:48] rcasey: oppserver's repo?
[18:51:15] rcasey: I'm not familiar with it but will definitely look into it
[18:53:55] bas-t: deb http://debian.oppserver.net/xbmcvdr/ squeeze main non-free contrib
[18:54:02] bas-t: plus
[18:54:37] bas-t: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free
[18:54:42] bas-t: plus
[18:55:07] bas-t: deb http://debian-multimedia.informatik.uni-erlan . . . -multimedia/ squeeze main non-free
[18:55:34] bas-t: and the src versions of these
[18:55:47] wagnerrp: does anyone have any idea who this trogod guy is?
[18:55:53] bas-t: and you are good to go
[18:56:01] wagnerrp: for the last year, he's been using the wiki as his own personal diary
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[18:59:54] rcasey: Ahh, the XBMC repo, I have seen that – never looked into it too deeply though. I'll take another look
[18:59:58] rcasey: thanks for the tip
[19:00:51] bas-t: you are welcome
[19:07:15] bas-t: oh, and let's not forget this:
[19:07:18] bas-t: wget http://debian.oppserver.net/gpg-opp-signing-pubkey.asc -O – | apt-key add -
[19:09:24] bas-t: and this:
[19:09:26] bas-t: apt-get update && apt-get --yes --quiet --allow-unauthenticated install deb-multimedia-keyring
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[20:50:10] lurker: Hi there, I have some trouble with my MythTV box. Every other time it tries to boot, it hangs in grub rescue console. Sometimes it says"failed to boot both default and fallback entries", sometimes it's "out of disk". I stored Boot Info Script's result in http://pastebin.com/yzx2xwdt
[20:50:49] lurker: Can anyone decypher it and tell me what's wrong?
[20:51:02] [R]: your comptuer failing to boot doestn really have anything to do with mythtv...
[20:52:18] xris: lurker: what distro?
[20:54:06] lurker: xris, It MythBuntu 10.04 LTS
[20:55:29] lurker: [R], Where should I look instead? Is it a grub, linud or ubuntu issue?
[20:55:43] [R]: well its not mythtv
[20:55:51] xris: lurker: sounds like /boot partition is full
[20:57:10] wagnerrp: looks like microcenter is running a sale on SSDs, if anyone is in the market
[20:58:21] lurker: Would a full boot partition reliably prevent booting? My MythBuntu Box most of the times starts when I switch it off and back on.
[20:58:45] wagnerrp: boot partitions do not need to be writable, so a full one would not be a problem
[20:59:10] wagnerrp: boot partitions being nothing more than a boot loader and kernel
[21:00:01] wagnerrp: couple OCZ and crucial units for $0.60-$0.70/GB
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[21:03:38] ertyu-m: I snagged one on cyber monday around $0.42/GB
[21:04:15] ertyu-m: haven't figured out where to deploy it yet, either replace an aged one in a server, upgrade my laptop disk or make it a cache in my desktop
[21:04:54] dmfrey: bill6502, good to hear :)
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[21:24:48] stuartm: what are the WD 5400rpm 3GB like? Do they have that same firmware bug that causes extremely high load cycles?
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[21:30:12] stuartm: I really miss Samsung :/
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[21:37:06] stuartm: on seconds thoughts I'd sooner go with Seagate than WD after that load cycle farce, and seagate just beats WD on price anyway
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[21:39:43] xris: stuartm: after exchanging 5 bad samsung (seagate) disks out of the 3 I bought… I'm done with that.
[21:42:16] stuartm: I've not bought anything* but Samsung for years, never had a failure, I did relent and buy a WD Green a year or two ago and the firmware was screwed, WD didn't want to know and only offered a windows binary in order to update to a fixed firmware
[21:42:54] stuartm: so *$@! WD, Samsung's were quieter and much more reliable
[21:43:14] xris: honestly they all suck.
[21:43:25] stuartm: alas, since Seagate took over I suspect they'll never be as good ;(
[21:43:34] xris: but when seagate (now owns samsung) sent me two DOA drives as *replacements* for DOA drives...
[21:45:10] stuartm: I wouldn't actually need the extra space if I could play these Blu-ray without ripping them, maybe the answer is to get a firmware modifiable Blu-ray drive instead
[21:45:21] stuartm: if such a thing still exists
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[21:46:17] xris: I just use netflix. heh
[21:46:58] xris: and don't get much time to watch TV, anyway.. can't even watch everything we record
[21:49:26] justinh: we use shedloads of different HDDs at work, and they all fail eventually to about the same degree. Looking at them it's amazing they even work at all
[21:49:27] xris: I got my NAS mostly to store photos and home videos (1080p recordings burn through disk space quickly)
[21:49:27] stuartm: If it's worth owning I'd rather blu-ray quality than streaming quality, for the rest I rent DVDs mail order or record
[21:50:31] xris: yeah, I own 2 things on blu ray, and have watched each once. and haven't watched the DVDs I bought years ago.
[21:50:49] justinh: mind, if the customers weren't badly mistreating em, maybe we'd have a better picture of the failures
[21:50:57] stuartm: I don't actually have a large number of DVDs/Blu-ray, there are only a tiny number of films/series I consider worth purchasing, I just happened to have some more to rip because I took advantage of a recent amazon promotion
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[21:52:15] stuartm: I rarely get to see things at the cinema, so maybe buying the blu-ray of the stuff I really liked it my way of showing appreciation ;)
[21:52:24] justinh: last HDDs I had to to try & get video from, the customer fault report said 'bus mounted the pavement & wiped out a bus shelter before striking a construction vehicle'
[21:52:29] stuartm: s/it/is/
[21:52:55] justinh: give it another 10 years or so.. streaming might get to be almost as good as the real thing
[21:53:38] stuartm: and yes, I have bought two or three blu-ray to replace existing DVDs, the DVDs then went to the local charity shop
[21:54:48] stuartm: justinh: 20 years maybe, I can't really see there being sufficient bandwidth until then to support everyone who would use the services
[21:55:06] stuartm: there's definitely not enough bandwidth now
[21:55:22] ** justinh chuckles. that mailing list post about a user's experience with a pi as a frontend.. crashy, bad at deinterlacing, slow... then he says it's a qualified 'yes' to its use as a frontend. LOL **
[21:55:53] stuartm: xris: doesn't netflix use silverlight?
[21:56:14] justinh: can be run in wine apparently
[21:56:44] xris: stuartm: dvds
[21:56:54] justinh: the more I learn about the pi, the less I'd be tempted to use the word 'good' about it
[21:56:56] xris: not enough kids stuff streaming
[21:57:04] [R]: its a cool toy...
[21:57:30] justinh: yeah a cool toy. web server in a box.. home automation helper, robot brain.. whatever
[21:57:36] stuartm: xris: ah, just assumed you meant the streaming side
[21:58:16] stuartm: I use a netflix equivalent in the UK, can't use the streaming stuff (but get charged for it anyway), but I get through plenty of DVDs :)
[21:58:29] justinh: even schools in the UK have turned around & said "huh? we already have PCs.. to use the pi we'd have to unplug lots of kit.. cables/plugs will get damaged etc etc etc FAIL'
[21:59:09] justinh: now The Thick Of It has finished, I think I'm personally watching maybe half an hour or tv a week
[22:00:08] stuartm: it's funny what you can find to watch when you go looking through the schedules, as opposed to say seeing what happens to be on at this moment in time (ala LiveTV)
[22:00:37] justinh: the tricky part is kicking my wife off the telly
[22:01:26] justinh: my laptop is actually up to the job of playing video, but meh.. watching teevees on a laptop... :-/
[22:02:19] stuartm: heh, laptop screens today are no smaller than the bedroom TVs of a few years ago
[22:03:20] justinh: I say that, and from where I sit my laptop screen is actually bigger than my tv
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[22:04:18] justinh: must be the LCD vs CRT thing. it just always looks nicer on my telly
[22:06:11] stuartm: running down the recordings, Killing III I could take or leave, Homeland – first series was good, yet to start watching the second, Southland – meh, watchable but The Wire it ain't, Hatfields & McCoys – yet to watch but it seemed interesting, Secret State – first ep put me to sleep so I might just delete those
[22:07:11] stuartm: ok, the rest of what's there I could probably delete and lose no sleep over it
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[22:08:26] stuartm: most of what I record turns out to be films, and a lot of foreign films at that, those probably make up the majority of my 2TB of recordings – it's hard finding the time to sit down and give them my full attention
[22:11:20] justinh: maybe once imma sleb & pop factor finish I'll get a look in
[22:11:26] stuartm: still schedules should soon be dead for around three weeks, maybe I'll be able to work through the backlog then
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[22:30:11] justinh: have the xmas schedules been unveiled yet?
[22:31:34] xris: stuartm: fwiw when I had streaming netflix, I just used my ps3
[22:31:39] xris: or my appletv
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[22:57:11] theteju: hey guys, I am so confused, unable to connect frontend with backend
[22:57:46] theteju: my backend is different machine than frontend
[22:57:52] [R]: what does the log say
[22:58:39] theteju: I dont know how and where to check logs.. / newbiee
[22:58:42] theteju: :P
[22:58:54] theteju: i dont think the logs are enabled on my backend
[22:59:31] theteju: i have set my mythtv ip address and masterserver ip address to 192.168.1.107
[22:59:52] theteju: I can see the mythweb page from my laptop
[23:00:01] wagnerrp: i thought you said you fixed that
[23:01:04] theteju: wagnerrp : hey man, yesterday, my mythweb page was unable to connect with backend
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[23:01:37] theteju: i think something to do with mysql password
[23:02:00] wagnerrp: when you start the frontend, does it come up with the language selection every time?
[23:03:33] theteju: NO
[23:04:05] wagnerrp: if it were mysql, thats what you would see
[23:04:47] theteju: I am sorry, Yes,, i just started fornt end and there is language selection
[23:05:07] theteju: next page asking me Database server settings
[23:05:29] theteju: there is a text file where i can read those passwords
[23:05:37] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql
[23:05:37] theteju: i forgot the location and cant find it :P
[23:05:45] wagnerrp: you have to create them yourself
[23:05:59] wagnerrp: apparently that machine was never granted rights to access the database
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[23:08:36] theteju: where am I running those commands, On backend or on frontend(laptop).
[23:09:24] theteju: i am sorry for stupid questions
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[23:21:40] wagnerrp: in mysql
[23:23:43] wagnerrp: more specifically, from the mysql administrative account
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[23:39:24] theteju: ok : the very first command gives me error saying Access denied for user 'root' @ 'localhost' (using password : NO)
[23:39:50] theteju: (mysql -u root mythconverg )
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[23:41:24] wagnerrp: try 'mysql -uroot -p'
[23:41:36] wagnerrp: note, you will need to know your mysql administrative password
[23:42:11] wagnerrp: if you don't know what that is, you're on your own
[23:42:13] wagnerrp: i can't help you
[23:42:47] theteju: ok i am in
[23:43:04] theteju: terminal now says mysql>
[23:44:28] theteju: now all those three commands?
[23:47:58] theteju: how to quit mysql?
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[23:49:35] fantie: i'm trying to install mythtv backend on ubuntu 12.10, when I install all i get is a black blank terminal with no prompts. Help
[23:49:44] bill6502: theteju: control-d will work
[23:50:36] theteju: ctrl C worked
[23:50:57] theteju: i am so scared.. never played with mysql before,, all looked different
[23:51:01] theteju: on terminal
[23:51:12] theteju: i dont even know what the hell am i doing :P
[23:55:59] ** theteju have to restart will be back **
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[23:56:29] fantie: anyone willing to help with a mythtv on ubuntu 12.10 install?
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