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| [00:02:36] | jarryd: | just not having any luck getting mythtv-setup to detect my usb diversity |
| [00:02:43] | jarryd: | so i figured i'd give it a go under linux |
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| [00:17:14] | adicarlo: | hey guys, long time myth user here — i'm looking at purchasing a replacement mobo for one which fried during this whole sandy/power debacle in NYC |
| [00:17:37] | wagnerrp: | what CPU? |
| [00:18:14] | adicarlo: | wagnerrp: the one that died was amd64 but i'm cool with whatever |
| [00:18:20] | adicarlo: | i'm looking for recommendations on mobos or mobo/video card combos which work well with linux — tvout is a must — tvout is the only monitor connected — and I'm tired of nvidia and out-of-kernel stuff |
| [00:18:42] | adicarlo: | which to me is looking like radeon/ATI |
| [00:19:35] | adicarlo: | wagnerrp: i'll replace the CPU with the mobo, btw |
| [00:19:45] | adicarlo: | i figure i might as well upgrade a pretty old system while i'm at it |
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| [00:20:06] | wagnerrp: | no, you want to avoid anything ATI on linux |
| [00:20:12] | adicarlo: | yah? |
| [00:21:06] | adicarlo: | personally i like the intel video altho its not quite as stable as it should be — but what is, in the land of xorg — but the tvout support seems non-existant |
| [00:21:45] | adicarlo: | needs to be able to drive interlaced std TV |
| [00:22:56] | wagnerrp: | meaning, an old standard definition tube? |
| [00:23:03] | adicarlo: | rigt |
| [00:23:07] | wagnerrp: | onboard video really isn't an option in that case |
| [00:23:14] | wagnerrp: | no one makes motherboards with that any more |
| [00:23:24] | adicarlo: | it needn't be onboard i guess |
| [00:23:32] | wagnerrp: | best you could find would be an old integrated 6-series nvidia |
| [00:23:36] | wagnerrp: | 6150 or something |
| [00:23:55] | wagnerrp: | if you need analog television outputs, you need an 8-series or 9-series discrete nvidia card |
| [00:24:35] | adicarlo: | i've been using a nVidia GeForce 6150 for ages |
| [00:24:45] | adicarlo: | but I was hoping to avoid the proprietary junk |
| [00:25:05] | wagnerrp: | nvidia hardware is the only sensible option for analog |
| [00:25:30] | wagnerrp: | you can use the newer intel stuff if you wish, but that has no support for analog outputs |
| [00:25:36] | wagnerrp: | you would be stuck using a scan converter |
| [00:25:39] | adicarlo: | wagnerrp: ok — and you say radeon doesn't offer that at all? |
| [00:25:54] | wagnerrp: | oh, the hardware offers it just fine |
| [00:26:00] | wagnerrp: | but the linux drivers are garbage |
| [00:26:09] | wagnerrp: | they're getting better, but they're still unreliable garbage |
| [00:26:35] | adicarlo: | ok — well nvidia i guess it is |
| [00:27:06] | adicarlo: | sounds like i'll want a discrete card — the trick here is to get a mobo with no chipset on it at all? |
| [00:27:17] | adicarlo: | i guess either way |
| [00:27:39] | wagnerrp: | hardly anyone makes motherboards with integrated video these days |
| [00:27:56] | wagnerrp: | the only time you see one is a rare unit with an integrated mobile nvidia chip |
| [00:28:23] | adicarlo: | wow guess its been a while since I ordered PC components |
| [00:28:26] | ** adicarlo feels old ** | |
| [00:29:28] | wagnerrp: | ever since the core iX line, intel graphics have been integrated into the CPU, not the motherboard |
| [00:29:38] | wagnerrp: | same with AMD and their Fusion CPUs |
| [00:29:49] | adicarlo: | i see, they're pulling it into the CPU, that makes sense |
| [00:29:55] | adicarlo: | wagnerrp: regarding mobo vendors, my possibly very stale recollection is that supermicro and intel boards tend to have the best linux support — still true? |
| [00:30:20] | adicarlo: | e.g., sensors which work with lm-sensors, etc |
| [00:30:49] | wagnerrp: | well at least with supermicro, you're talking commercial grade server gear |
| [00:30:58] | wagnerrp: | which is a wholly different market |
| [00:32:24] | adicarlo: | true, tho i don't mind the dollars if it buys me better support and reliability |
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| [00:32:40] | Russ: | I found out why both with the nvidia and nouveau driver, all video playback was black |
| [00:32:58] | Russ: | somehow, all the picture controls were set at zero |
| [00:33:07] | Russ: | don't know if it was from a database schema upgrade or what |
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| [00:36:39] | frontrange: | Anyone had success getting smooth HDTV using atom/Ion FE? I'm having mixed results, some channels great, some not so much.. |
| [00:37:02] | wagnerrp: | Atoms can only be used as HD frontends if you are using VDPAU for decoding |
| [00:37:50] | frontrange: | I am. Fox News HD is great, When i go to AMCHD it jitters a bit even watching the same commercials |
| [00:38:26] | adicarlo: | wagnerrp: assuming i'm getting a discreete video card, the presence or absence of onboard video doesn't matter, right? |
| [00:38:49] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [00:39:10] | wagnerrp: | although it's hard to find anything low end that doesn't have onboard video these days |
| [00:39:40] | wagnerrp: | you're generally looking at a high end CPU that omitted graphics simply because they couldn't afford the die space or thermal output |
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| [01:13:05] | frontrange: | Does livetv rely on local FE disk at all for playback? |
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| [01:19:43] | jams: | not any more |
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| [01:32:36] | frontrange: | Would adding local memory to FE beyond 2GB possibly help with HDTV playback using VDPAU? Im using 1280X720@60hz BTW |
| [01:38:57] | frontrange: | Seems using VDPAU slim fixes the problem, what is the diff from VDPAU normal? |
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| [01:39:41] | ertyu_: | less GPU load I assume |
| [01:40:31] | frontrange: | Less video quality that's significant? |
| [01:41:23] | frontrange: | I'm experimenting on a 32" LCD, but want to solve the problem for a 52" plasma as well. |
| [01:41:41] | frontrange: | Not sur if I need more iron for the latter |
| [01:42:20] | ertyu_: | nope, it's the input that matters, not the output |
| [01:42:48] | ertyu_: | well, output does matter, but its likely identical 1080 on both |
| [01:46:27] | frontrange: | My 32" lcd I'm testing with is only 1280X720, but the plasma is full HDTV. Trying to figure if I need more iron that Atom/Ion for the plasma not that I finf the VDPAU slim profile works fine on the 32" LCD |
| [01:48:46] | frontrange: | Without typo's: My 32" lcd I'm testing with is only 1280X720, but the plasma is full HDTV. So I'm Trying to figure if I need more iron than the Atom/Ion for the plasma now that I find the VDPAU slim profile works fine on the 32" LCD |
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| [04:17:01] | lapion: | anyone else having problems playing back edited ( non-transcoded ) files ? |
| [04:18:13] | lapion: | at the cuts, the player loops a nano second.. |
| [04:21:32] | lapion: | 0.26 still cannot transcode nuv files |
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| [06:22:39] | dekarl: | xavierh: wrt "grab data for not recorded yet program, feed the rating with the user ratting" would work with a post processor between tv_grab_uk_rt and mythfilldatabase. Currently the only one (that I'm aware of) available is tv_imdb. |
| [06:23:17] | dekarl: | tvwish and its critic might be an idea |
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| [07:10:36] | achew22: | In case anyone is curious I ended up figuring out my problem from earlier. I have been running this box for a really long time, maybe even back to 0.19 and it had a mysql.txt and a config.xml and deleting the mysql.txt fixed it |
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| [07:33:05] | rumblebumble: | Is anyone using the mythtv android app. I am having trouble getting it to stream recordings |
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| [10:51:50] | xavierh: | rumblebumble: I do, but not much success so far, sometimes it does work, sometimes I only have video (using the same recording) |
| [10:52:11] | xavierh: | is there an irc channel for it ? |
| [10:53:05] | xavierh: | dekarl: thx for the info |
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| [10:58:21] | lapion: | is anyone able to transcode nuv files captured from a frame grabber card ? |
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| [11:00:39] | lapion: | the only error I get is : (exit status 134, job status was "Running") |
| [11:01:46] | lapion: | that's the error in the system status.. the log file shows no errors.. |
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| [11:18:59] | lapion: | can anyone tell me how to get a verbose message that actually gives information about crashing ? |
| [11:20:37] | lapion: | can anyone tell me why mythtranscode relies on pulseaudio ? |
| [11:21:38] | lapion: | pulseaudio is crap when you have more then one framegrabber so I do not have it installed on my be |
| [11:24:13] | lapion: | wagnerrp, you there ? |
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| [11:52:29] | lapion: | xavierh, do you know about mythtranscode depending on pulseaudio ? |
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| [11:56:45] | xavierh: | lapion: I don't know about pulseaudio, find it suprising though |
| [12:22:59] | stuartm: | lapion: it doesn't depend on pulseaudio, what makes you think otherwise? |
| [12:27:54] | lapion: | stuartm, http://pastebin.com/7txDh9ph |
| [12:34:23] | stuartm: | yeah, there's a small bug there, it's stopping pulseaudio from controlling the audio while mythtranscode is running which is unnecessary but it's not using or depending (or failing) because of pulseaudio |
| [12:35:38] | stuartm: | "Transcoding STOPped by JobQueue" << That's the relevant part, but I can't tell you what it means |
| [12:37:09] | lapion: | stuartm, I have no pulseaudio installed |
| [12:38:14] | stuartm: | yeah, it can't know that though unless it looks for it, as I say it does no harm |
| [12:41:45] | lapion: | okay check out the following crash log: http://pastebin.com/edpiexm2 |
| [12:42:33] | lapion: | stuartm, this time no pulse audio however loads of library crashes |
| [12:43:44] | stuartm: | ok, that's a bug which needs a ticket and preferably a full backtrace using gdb |
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| [12:59:37] | lapion: | stuartm, where can I find instructions for backtracing and gdb.. |
| [13:07:08] | stuartm: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [13:07:16] | stuartm: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/http://svn.m . . . /TicketHowTo |
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| [13:20:39] | lapion: | stuartm, this would entail I would have to comple the project for myself ? |
| [13:21:19] | lapion: | I am currently using ubuntu ppa version.. any instructions on how to do backtrace with those ? |
| [13:23:20] | wagnerrp: | lapion: ? |
| [13:24:36] | lapion: | yes wagnerrp got the information allready, it seemed like mythtranscode had a dependancy problem with pulse, but it was not so.. |
| [13:25:43] | lapion: | however I have not been able to transcode rtjpeg files.. |
| [13:25:47] | stuartm: | lapion: no you don't have to compile yourself, but there's a different set of instructions for ubuntu and the #ubuntu-mythtv guys can best help you with that |
| [13:26:03] | lapion: | ok |
| [13:27:15] | lapion: | hmm with all the ubuntu new policy to ignore it's technical user base I am thinking about going slackware... again.. |
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| [13:55:25] | xavierh: | dmfrey: well done for the Android frontend, not yet suitable for me but very promising |
| [13:55:57] | dmfrey: | thank you...what is it missing that would help you out? |
| [13:56:27] | wagnerrp: | i couldn't seem to get autodetection work |
| [13:56:38] | wagnerrp: | and for some reason, it tried to default to some 192.xxx address |
| [13:56:49] | dmfrey: | really? |
| [13:57:01] | wagnerrp: | i don't have that address space anywhere on my network |
| [13:57:15] | dmfrey: | i do have some code in there to auto configure my backend, that is just local, shouldn't be in the repo |
| [13:57:33] | dmfrey: | do you have avahi-daemon running on your backend? |
| [13:57:44] | wagnerrp: | probably not |
| [13:57:55] | dmfrey: | it uses zeroconf to detect it |
| [13:57:56] | xavierh: | dmfrey: well the video works sporadically, most of the time I get no video (just audio), and my phone can play my recording without hls so ...(home network obviously) |
| [13:57:57] | wagnerrp: | if i do, it was just left over from debugging airplay stuff |
| [13:58:35] | dmfrey: | xavierh, what player are you using, what version of android, what phone/tablet? |
| [13:58:47] | wagnerrp: | several buttons simply did nothing (probably don't have a video player installed/configured) |
| [13:59:17] | dmfrey: | on the multimedia page, those buttons are grayed out to indicate they are not available yet |
| [13:59:33] | wagnerrp: | and it seemed like it took some amount of delay for the guide data to preload, before that page would open |
| [13:59:38] | xavierh: | dmfrey: I tried different player, vplayer, mxplayer, all have the same problem, might be an backend problem, eben using the same recording, sometimes it does work, sometime not |
| [13:59:52] | xavierh: | dmfrey: also the transcoded file are not deleted |
| [13:59:58] | dmfrey: | wagnerrp, yeah, working on that, there is a lot of data to page through |
| [14:00:18] | wagnerrp: | xavierh: anything dealing with the deletion of those files would be dealt with server-side |
| [14:00:20] | wagnerrp: | not by the client |
| [14:00:36] | dmfrey: | xavierh, sounds like there might be a communications issues between your device and the backend |
| [14:00:48] | xavierh: | dmfrey: Galxy S2, android 4.0.4 |
| [14:01:00] | dmfrey: | well, the client needs to send a kill signal to the backend to force them to delete |
| [14:01:20] | xavierh: | wargnerrp, dmfey: was not saying is is the app fault |
| [14:02:06] | dmfrey: | there is going to be some new features coming shortly related to this |
| [14:02:37] | dmfrey: | for instance, a new Episode view that will allow you to watch, "add to playlist", delete episodes |
| [14:03:18] | dmfrey: | add to playlist really just kicks off the HLS on the backend so it is available for you in the future, immediately, and if your player supports it, you will be able to seek forward and back |
| [14:03:33] | dmfrey: | plus you get episode details |
| [14:04:02] | dmfrey: | the program guide is also downloading smaller amounts of data, so hopefully, they can be displayed quicker |
| [14:04:20] | xavierh: | dmfrey: anyway, I wish recording where grouped/filtered per recording group (i.e as the mythtv frontend) but I know that is not possible via the current API. I feel too much is done in the app when it should be done server side. btw, is anybody working on the API atm ? |
| [14:04:56] | dmfrey: | there will be a playlist view for all the episodes that were added to the playlist |
| [14:05:06] | wagnerrp: | not specifically, people are just adding new functions to it piecemeal |
| [14:05:47] | xavierh: | So IF I was proposing some filtering for GetRecorded it could be considered ? |
| [14:05:47] | dmfrey: | xavierh, the app is already grouping the programs by group, are they not on your phone? |
| [14:06:18] | dmfrey: | there is a GetFilteredRecorded endpoint |
| [14:06:48] | xavierh: | dmfrey: yes, group by title, but I put film in a separate group as it does not make sense to group them by title |
| [14:06:55] | dmfrey: | but we are loading all that data locally to a db, minimizes network calls and will be able to use it 'offline' to some degree |
| [14:06:59] | xavierh: | dmfrey: did not see that one |
| [14:07:17] | xavierh: | dmfrey: make sense |
| [14:07:49] | xavierh: | dmfrey: with the hability to download locally for later viewing ? |
| [14:08:13] | dmfrey: | i have to determine what is best in terms of loading data and saving battery |
| [14:08:37] | dmfrey: | not planning on downloading video for later viewing at this time |
| [14:09:00] | dmfrey: | would still have to transcode the video on the backend to get a reasonable size |
| [14:09:21] | dmfrey: | something like mythexport is better for tasks like that |
| [14:10:09] | dmfrey: | maybe somehow integrate so the app could kick off a mythexport, that might be a possibility, but as of right now, I have a lot of other functions to work on |
| [14:10:18] | xavierh: | dmfey: I suppose the hls stream could be downdoaded ? |
| [14:10:30] | xavierh: | dmfrey: I bet you do |
| [14:10:48] | xavierh: | cannot find any reference of GetFilteredRecorded on wiki |
| [14:10:58] | dmfrey: | yeah, but you would basically need the app to 'watch' the hls stream to download the bits |
| [14:11:48] | dmfrey: | one sec, will find it for you |
| [14:12:29] | xavierh: | dmfrey: are you planning to have a detail view of recording ? |
| [14:12:40] | dmfrey: | yes, it is in git right now |
| [14:12:50] | dmfrey: | tablet view has been completely refactored |
| [14:13:14] | xavierh: | I don't own a tablet yet, need toi nag my wife first :) |
| [14:13:42] | dmfrey: | :) |
| [14:13:49] | dmfrey: | you will notice it on a phone as well |
| [14:15:41] | dmfrey: | i wish i had it here, i would post a screenshot of it |
| [14:17:40] | dmfrey: | one is being sent, will post it soon |
| [14:19:18] | xavierh: | dmfrey: would be also nice to be able to play it from bookmark, but I haven't seen anything like that in the API |
| [14:20:00] | dmfrey: | that is coming |
| [14:20:23] | dmfrey: | Captain_Murdoch, is working on being able to go to any point |
| [14:20:31] | dmfrey: | in a recording |
| [14:20:38] | xavierh: | so it is possible then, that's a great news, what about to play on device or frontend ? |
| [14:20:48] | dmfrey: | when available, we will add it |
| [14:20:58] | dmfrey: | not yet, the backend changes are still in the works |
| [14:21:13] | xavierh: | ok thanks |
| [14:21:24] | dmfrey: | i will also need to find a player that will be able to report back to me the position you are at in playback, so I can store that |
| [14:21:48] | dmfrey: | right now, the third party players don't do that in a standard way |
| [14:22:11] | dmfrey: | so we will either need to pick one that does it, or start writing one of our own |
| [14:22:55] | wagnerrp: | is this java or c? |
| [14:23:53] | dmfrey: | is what java or c |
| [14:23:56] | dmfrey: | the player? |
| [14:24:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv android |
| [14:24:35] | dmfrey: | java |
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| [14:26:28] | dmfrey: | here is a screenshot of the new episode view on the tablet: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4KM23cDPRz_bmsxajFuMkhiS3c |
| [14:29:26] | xavierh: | dmfrey: look very good |
| [14:32:09] | Sharky-Sleep: | Nice. Swapped out old bad HDHRV1 for a HDHR3 I got on woot and manually modified capturecard,cardinput, and inputgroup. Works like a charm :) |
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| [14:35:07] | Sharky112065: | those things were so cheap, I may buy a couple more next time they are avail on woot |
| [14:35:35] | dmfrey: | wagnerrp, you can do some native development on android using c and python (i believe), but most is done in java |
| [14:36:31] | dmfrey: | xavierh, thanks |
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| [14:43:52] | xavierh: | dmfrey: I find a little annoyance with the Program Guide which I don't know if you are aware of, If I swipe up or down until I found the channel I like, swiping left or right bring me to the first channel again |
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| [14:46:59] | xavierh: | I find GetFilteredRecordedList, I am surprised that GetRecordedList have not be extended instead |
| [14:49:55] | jams: | hi xavierh |
| [14:50:12] | jams: | hows it going |
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| [14:51:12] | dmfrey: | xavierh, i get what you are saying about the program guide. I will see if they can be synced |
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| [14:51:30] | xavierh: | hi jams, doing alright, a bit busy ... and you ? |
| [14:51:47] | dmfrey: | i am hoping to come up with a way to changes that to a true grid type |
| [14:51:47] | jams: | bout the same i suppose |
| [14:52:32] | xavierh: | dmfrey: I do have crashes as well, expecially for recodring rules, was wondering what would be the best way to report them usefully ? |
| [14:52:53] | dmfrey: | i know what you are talking about and it is fixed in git |
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| [14:53:02] | dmfrey: | the git issues page is it best place |
| [14:53:11] | xavierh: | dmfrey: what tablet are you using ? does it work well ? |
| [14:53:32] | dmfrey: | https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Andr . . . p;state=open |
| [14:53:44] | dmfrey: | i use my wife's asus tf300 |
| [14:53:47] | dmfrey: | it works great |
| [14:53:55] | xavierh: | dmfery: cannot do it know, got some trouble to access https |
| [14:54:44] | ** wagnerrp gets new toys today ** | |
| [14:54:58] | xavierh: | dmfrey: ^^^ |
| [14:55:28] | xavierh: | dmfrey: is it child friendly (i.e quite strong) |
| [14:55:51] | xavierh: | wagnerrp: what toy ? |
| [14:56:07] | wagnerrp: | new frontend |
| [14:56:23] | wagnerrp: | ivy bridge CPU, and a small mini-itx box |
| [14:56:43] | dmfrey: | xavierh, yes, my kids use it all the time |
| [14:56:54] | dmfrey: | i did get them the Archos ChildPads |
| [14:57:10] | dmfrey: | but they have a few issues that I keep reporting to them |
| [14:57:24] | dmfrey: | dumb things like music files on sdcards are repeated 3 times |
| [14:57:40] | dmfrey: | they are working on it so hopefully will just be firmware update |
| [14:58:07] | dmfrey: | wagnerrp, nice |
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| [14:59:13] | xavierh: | dmfrey: does your app work on it ? |
| [14:59:37] | dmfrey: | yes |
| [14:59:45] | xavierh: | video as well ? |
| [15:00:25] | dmfrey: | yes |
| [15:00:31] | dmfrey: | this is the one i got her: http://www.amazon.com/Transformer-TF300-T-B1- . . . s=asus+tf300 |
| [15:01:33] | xavierh: | hmmm, I was asking about the Archos ChildPads, can afford a kid tablet and a parent tablet |
| [15:02:21] | dmfrey: | personally, i would go with a nexus 7 |
| [15:02:23] | xavierh: | The transformer tablet always made me dribble :) |
| [15:02:24] | dmfrey: | app works great on there |
| [15:02:41] | xavierh: | and cheaper (nexus 7) |
| [15:02:43] | dmfrey: | i don't own one, but some of the other guys working on it do |
| [15:02:48] | dmfrey: | definitely |
| [15:03:04] | dmfrey: | then can swing a n7 and childpad for the price of the tf300 :) |
| [15:03:31] | xavierh: | That one way too look at it :) |
| [15:03:41] | xavierh: | s/too/to |
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| [15:24:59] | xavierh: | dmfrey: out of curiosity, what ages are your kids ? |
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| [15:26:50] | dmfrey: | 2 girls 6 & 4, born on the same day 2 years apart |
| [15:31:58] | xavierh: | dmfrey: Wow, the birth of your second one was a busy day :D |
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| [15:32:46] | dmfrey: | yes it was :) |
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| [16:50:09] | dmfrey: | xavierh, it is also like christmas in june in my house too :) |
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| [17:05:23] | xavierh: | dmfrey: comming back to the video player it should be too difficult to create our own player as ICS support hls anyway, just tried the stock player and it does work. Would make the seek and play from bookmark much easier too |
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| [17:09:02] | dmfrey: | yeah, but the player needs to broadcast state, so that i can record it to a db |
| [17:09:26] | dmfrey: | then will be able to start up the hls stream at a point when it is implemented on the backend |
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| [17:13:34] | xavierh: | being able to watch Eastender will on holiday is a killer feature for my wife, good argument towards a nexus 7 :) |
| [17:13:46] | xavierh: | s/will/while |
| [17:14:08] | xavierh: | dmfrey: bookmark or seek would be the same then |
| [17:14:20] | dmfrey: | yeah, i think so |
| [17:16:47] | dmfrey: | one of the things we played with was a java lib called vitimio, or something like that, which let us embed a player right into the app. that might be a good start, and possibly allow us to get that info |
| [17:17:13] | dmfrey: | might have to revisit that, but would still require another app component from the market to run |
| [17:17:26] | dmfrey: | i know mx player does broadcast, but it currently doesn't work |
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| [17:17:43] | dmfrey: | will have to check if the built in player supports broadcasting state or not as well |
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| [19:26:45] | Unguided: | Hello All. I have a couple of newb questions. Im looking at a full pc vs mac mini for the frontends and mythbuntu vs pcbsd for the primary os. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. |
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| [19:36:02] | N0BOX: | Unguided: the OSs that are designed around mythtv tend to have some extra packages that could make things easier |
| [19:36:03] | disputin: | anyone know a reason that mythmetadatalookup would hang? Not everytime, but several times a day. I have to kill the processes so it can continue on. I ended up writing a script to reset failed jobs so they get reprocessed the next day, where they finish without issue. |
| [19:37:44] | Unguided: | N0BOX: Ok. I was looking at using pcbsd b/c the backend will be on pcbsd as well. |
| [19:38:02] | Unguided: | N0BOX: Any suggestions on the pc vs mac mini? |
| [19:38:11] | N0BOX: | there's no reason not to use the OS you prefer |
| [19:39:42] | N0BOX: | not unless you are scared to get your hands dirty making mythtv do anything that isn't strictly standard |
| [19:39:58] | N0BOX: | I don't see any reason why a mac mini would make a great frontend |
| [19:40:10] | N0BOX: | s/would/wouldn't/ |
| [19:40:44] | N0BOX: | it would probably be better if it was one of the minis that has an nvidia GPU |
| [19:40:54] | wagnerrp: | can't buy those new |
| [19:41:03] | wagnerrp: | the latest intel graphics ones should be fine |
| [19:41:13] | wagnerrp: | don't bother with the earlier AMD graphics ones |
| [19:41:37] | N0BOX: | intel graphics has come a long way the past few years, I understand |
| [19:42:07] | N0BOX: | has linux support of intel graphics advanced along with it? |
| [19:42:33] | wagnerrp: | it should be good enough for the opengl renderer, and it has plenty of CPU for software rendering |
| [19:42:42] | wagnerrp: | s/software rendering/software decoding/ |
| [19:42:51] | Unguided: | Ok. I have older hardware and vdpau capable video cards but thought the smaller footprint of the mac mini and meybe less power would be good as well. |
| [19:43:33] | N0BOX: | Unguided: as long as you get a mac mini that has a decent GPU, you should be fine |
| [19:44:03] | Unguided: | Ok. Thanks for the information |
| [19:44:05] | N0BOX: | My atom 330 with intel ion gpu can't seem to handle 720p or 1080i |
| [19:44:19] | N0BOX: | and I don't understand why |
| [19:44:34] | wagnerrp: | does it have an Intel GPU? or an Ion GPU? |
| [19:44:45] | N0BOX: | Ion |
| [19:44:50] | wagnerrp: | so nVidia |
| [19:44:53] | wagnerrp: | not Intel |
| [19:44:56] | N0BOX: | right |
| [19:45:04] | wagnerrp: | have you told it to use VDPAU? |
| [19:45:13] | N0BOX: | I have the vdpau packages installed |
| [19:45:31] | wagnerrp: | have you told mythtv to use a VDPAU playback profile? |
| [19:45:38] | N0BOX: | I don't suppose so |
| [19:45:46] | wagnerrp: | well there's your problem |
| [19:45:54] | N0BOX: | I guess I need to wade through the setup-fu again |
| [19:46:04] | wagnerrp: | just use the setup wizard |
| [19:46:12] | wagnerrp: | it's the easiest way to access that stuff |
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| [19:53:05] | Unguided: | Does mythtv or plugin record suggestions like a tivo? |
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| [19:53:46] | N0BOX: | I haven't seen an option like that, but I haven't gone looking for it, either |
| [19:55:18] | Unguided: | Just a curiosity question. More or less. I have tivo now and they are ok but you can do more with a computer than what tivo offers not to mention cheaper in the long run |
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| [19:55:55] | Unguided: | Anyway to know if my cable provider marks recordings as copy freely or not? |
| [19:56:21] | Unguided: | Besides calling them. |
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| [19:58:15] | wagnerrp: | put your cable box in debug mode so it prints it on screen |
| [19:59:18] | Unguided: | I dont have any cable boxes. I only have the tivo with cable card |
| [20:00:47] | stuartm: | Unguided: in short no, no-one has ever got past the idea stage – it's a logistical nightmare, aside from the less than simple part of writing a _good_ recommendation algorithm you've got to invest in some backend infrastructure (servers to collect and process the data) and also figure out how to deal with the international nature of MythTV users, the differences in programme names etc |
| [20:01:54] | stuartm: | basically while I'm sure it would be very popular, no-one has ever actually wanted it enough to figure everything out and to do the work |
| [20:02:08] | Unguided: | Ok. I do have two hd homerun primes. Can I use that? |
| [20:02:15] | wagnerrp: | kormoc had something working as a proof of concept a couple years back |
| [20:03:09] | stuartm: | ok, I stand corrected, it's got past the "wouldn't it be nice" stage :) |
| [20:04:34] | wagnerrp: | i wrote something maybe a year back that would interface against someone's public recommendation API |
| [20:05:01] | wagnerrp: | i gave up when block of recordings i sent it would always return the same exact recommendations |
| [20:05:12] | stuartm: | if you ring-fenced it so that recommendations were only based on other users from the same country you could get past that last problem I mentioned, in fact it would probably be the only way to do it |
| [20:05:16] | wagnerrp: | not much good when everyone get's recommended the same thing |
| [20:06:13] | Unguided: | It sounds like you would be basically building a rocket ship from scratch |
| [20:07:56] | ** disputin tries again ** | |
| [20:08:02] | disputin: | anyone know a reason that mythmetadatalookup would hang? Not everytime, but several times a day. I have to kill the processes so it can continue on. I ended up writing a script to reset failed jobs so they get reprocessed the next day, where they finish without issue. |
| [20:08:07] | stuartm: | companies like Tivo etc are able to buy up a load of smaller companies who have already worked on a small piece of the puzzle, rare these days that a single company creates an entire product/system from beginning to end |
| [20:08:35] | wagnerrp: | disputin: any chance you might be getting IPv6 DNS results? |
| [20:08:54] | disputin: | yes |
| [20:08:56] | stuartm: | disputin: I don't know why it would hang, but if it's definitely hanging (and not just taking a very long time to execute) then we would love a bug report |
| [20:09:00] | disputin: | I have IPv6 function... |
| [20:09:06] | wagnerrp: | do you actually have IPv6 internet access? |
| [20:09:17] | stuartm: | heh |
| [20:09:21] | disputin: | through a 4v6 tunnel |
| [20:09:39] | disputin: | google thinks I'm in the UK, while I'm really on the west coast |
| [20:09:55] | wagnerrp: | my ISP screwed with things, and now my IPv6 tunnel is no longer working |
| [20:10:11] | wagnerrp: | but since it can resolve IPv6 addresses, it tries (and fails) to use them |
| [20:10:18] | wagnerrp: | causing behavior exactly as you describe |
| [20:10:22] | wagnerrp: | it just sits there, doing nothing |
| [20:10:22] | disputin: | err |
| [20:10:26] | disputin: | yes |
| [20:10:43] | kormoc: | stuartm, wagnerrp, Unguided, it also got stuck because TMS id's can't be used for storage, and xmltv ids are unique to the grabber, which makes your pool of source data material… lacking… |
| [20:11:05] | disputin: | this just started recently (after the mythbuntu 12.04) upgrade, while my IPv6 has been functional for about a year... |
| [20:13:59] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: we should fix that, a timeout at the very least |
| [20:14:12] | wagnerrp: | there is supposed ot be a timeout |
| [20:14:25] | wagnerrp: | both in the grabber, and the metadata library |
| [20:14:29] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I'll look at it if you want to create a ticket? |
| [20:14:56] | wagnerrp: | ill try to reproduce it again, and put one up in a bit |
| [20:15:00] | stuartm: | thanks |
| [20:15:13] | wagnerrp: | currently rewriting the streaming code in mythweb |
| [20:15:31] | wagnerrp: | so it pulls stuff off the services api, rather than the filesystem |
| [20:15:36] | stuartm: | nice |
| [20:15:41] | disputin: | yes |
| [20:16:05] | disputin: | so I can resolve and ping IPv6 addresses…. but you think this is still the problem? |
| [20:16:10] | justinh: | well, here's hoping my ebay sellers deliver. I can't do without overscanned video output |
| [20:16:13] | wagnerrp: | probably not |
| [20:18:01] | stuartm: | disputin: if you can pastebin some logs someone might be able to help |
| [20:18:39] | disputin: | ok, what logs do you want? Right now all I see is process hanging, and then when I kill them, they have a status 140? |
| [20:18:52] | justinh: | heh. mrs wife loves the new frontend responsiveness |
| [20:18:54] | disputin: | is there a debug or something else someone is looking for? |
| [20:19:12] | justinh: | wonder what linhes is doing so differently to ubuntu |
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| [20:23:13] | disputin: | ok, so I have a process right now that's hung |
| [20:23:18] | disputin: | python /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -N 73067 Power Trip |
| [20:23:49] | disputin: | I can pastebin the mythmetadatalookup log file if someone want to look at that |
| [20:23:55] | wagnerrp: | go for it |
| [20:26:18] | disputin: | http://pastebin.com/QDc9ihp8 |
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| [20:36:05] | wagnerrp: | any idea how many episodes this show has? |
| [20:36:13] | wagnerrp: | it eventually returned, after about five minutes |
| [20:36:35] | disputin: | no it never finishes |
| [20:36:40] | wagnerrp: | it did for me |
| [20:37:00] | disputin: | oh |
| [20:37:03] | disputin: | dunno |
| [20:37:19] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/nhEfKPZY |
| [20:37:24] | wagnerrp: | it just took a really long time |
| [20:37:34] | wagnerrp: | which makes me think it is loading a ton of data off ttvdb |
| [20:37:50] | wagnerrp: | which makes sense due to how the ttvdb.py grabber functions |
| [20:39:08] | disputin: | maybe, but mine never finishes. It will hang like this until I kill it.... |
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| [21:26:16] | stuartm: | yay for passive aggressive posts to the -dev list from dicks |
| [21:31:29] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: You referring to "Dear MythTV gods"? |
| [21:32:25] | justinh: | gah why must xrandr keep getting broken so? |
| [21:32:49] | justinh: | not that I can set the options I need in xorg.conf.. it's just ignoring them |
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| [21:45:59] | skd5aner: | OK... I've noticed, as of recently, that in order for me to kill off the frontend, I have to do a "killall mythfrontend" twice |
| [21:46:24] | skd5aner: | in 0.26 |
| [21:46:34] | skd5aner: | and I can never exit the frontend from the GUI |
| [21:46:49] | skd5aner: | when I hit select "Yes, exit now" – it just hangs the frontend |
| [21:46:59] | skd5aner: | what's that all about? |
| [21:50:47] | justinh: | bwoked? ;-) |
| [21:51:08] | justinh: | oh boy how I have not missed diddling with xorg.conf files |
| [21:51:18] | justinh: | especially since they changed the format & split it all up |
| [21:51:38] | wagnerrp: | they did? |
| [21:52:44] | justinh: | apparently |
| [21:52:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | xorg.conf.d? |
| [21:52:58] | justinh: | yeah |
| [21:53:45] | justinh: | I've got a 30.screen.conf file but I've no idea where I need to put my driver options |
| [21:54:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | I had to deal with that a little when I upgraded my FE connected to my plasma a while back. it wouldn't obey the settings I had to enforce DPI. I resorted to an xrandr call in my mythfrontend startup script. |
| [21:54:50] | skd5aner: | I hate all things xorg.conf |
| [21:55:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | you can still put stuff in xorg.conf I believe. that's where I put my monitor and device sections when I had to mess with it. |
| [21:56:09] | justinh: | haven't had to do an xorg.conf for years |
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| [22:00:45] | ** Captain_Murdoch wonders if the HandBrake guys get as many complaints as we do about not using system libs/programs like ffmpeg ** | |
| [22:03:16] | justinh: | hahaha |
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| [22:03:34] | justinh: | yeah but how else do you guarantee which version of ffmpeg people are using? |
| [22:03:44] | wizbit: | justinh: i thought you would need a few fancy modelines for your 50 year old CRT |
| [22:04:16] | justinh: | wizbit: says he of the freecyle TV |
| [22:04:23] | wizbit: | :P |
| [22:04:26] | justinh: | or was it reclaimed from the local tip? I forget |
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| [22:04:56] | justinh: | I'm not buying a new TV because Ubuntu pissed me off one too many times |
| [22:05:33] | wizbit: | how about slackmyth |
| [22:05:57] | justinh: | how about just put a disc in the optical drive & half an hour later, emerge with a mostly working mythtv box? |
| [22:06:06] | wizbit: | LOL |
| [22:06:17] | justinh: | the bugger of the job is always getting nitty parts like overscan bob on |
| [22:06:42] | justinh: | if I fail to get the intel video driver to do my bidding there's always the nvidia card I've got coming |
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| [22:07:12] | wizbit: | my fanless asus nvidia gs 210 works awesome |
| [22:07:18] | wizbit: | its a Class C card |
| [22:07:25] | wizbit: | only £20 |
| [22:07:33] | justinh: | you doing VGA-scart with that? |
| [22:07:37] | wizbit: | yes |
| [22:07:44] | justinh: | works ok? |
| [22:07:47] | wizbit: | perfect |
| [22:07:54] | wizbit: | vdpau works perfect with it |
| [22:08:13] | justinh: | even at 720x576? Heheheh |
| [22:08:21] | wizbit: | yep, at the moment |
| [22:09:34] | wizbit: | ACPI works well with it also, i can put my box to sleep |
| [22:09:38] | wizbit: | then it wakes no problem |
| [22:10:14] | wizbit: | pm-suspend |
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| [22:36:08] | ** justinh shakes his fist at xorg.conf ** | |
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| [22:36:55] | wagnerrp: | could be worse, my machine won't even power on |
| [22:37:11] | wagnerrp: | i get a pulse out of the fan, a pop in the speaker, and that's it |
| [22:37:47] | justinh: | I just had to fix my frontend's PSU the other day |
| [22:37:57] | justinh: | dried out caps |
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| [23:26:44] | stuartm: | I wish I could trust these third party sellers on amazon more, one here offering an apparently genuine battery for my camera at half the price of the next cheapest retailer, just seems too good to be true :/ |
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| [23:39:49] | skd5aner: | sometimes, I really am tempted to do a "me too" on tickets... as much as I know it's a no-no |
| [23:40:09] | wagnerrp: | that's what the mailing list is for |
| [23:40:46] | skd5aner: | yea, but I don't use the email address... except for the mailing list, ha – so I'm too lazy |
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| [23:41:43] | skd5aner: | I just feel that sometimes devs don't know the credibility of a report, unless they know the reporter very well – and 2, they don't know how widespread the issue may be |
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| [23:44:05] | skd5aner: | launchpad has for people to say "me too" in their bug reports, which is nice, without comments |
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| [23:45:11] | skd5aner: | I also like their "confirmed" status... to indicate that a bug can be replicated |
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