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| [02:31:01] | BurnOut: | any documents with hints on sizing the backend ? |
| [02:35:50] | [R]: | sizing? |
| [02:36:27] | BurnOut: | how much memory, how many cores .. how much disk .... |
| [02:36:43] | [R]: | hwo can we tell you how muc hdisk you need? |
| [02:36:51] | [R]: | peopel talk about their hardware on the mailnig list all the time |
| [02:37:10] | BurnOut: | that's a page I missed |
| [02:37:14] | [R]: | page? |
| [02:39:00] | BurnOut: | meaning I had not seen a reference to a mailing list .. |
| [02:39:42] | [R]: | its on the homepage... |
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| [02:41:17] | BurnOut: | yeah.. I tend to run less than full screen on all the apps I run .. I had the page scrolled fully right hiding the left nav bar |
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| [03:10:44] | netw1z: | hey guys is there a way I can restore all the fields in mysql for the mythtv database easy? |
| [03:12:05] | [R]: | restore the fields? |
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| [03:25:20] | prologic: | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0 . . . VOG5DZVIxZmc |
| [03:58:13] | wagnerrp_: | will that case take a typical ATX power supply? |
| [03:58:24] | wagnerrp_: | even if it does, 750GB is rather overkill |
| [03:58:32] | wagnerrp_: | erm, 750W |
| [04:00:02] | wagnerrp_: | 32GB is an awful lot of memory, if you don't know you need it for something in particular |
| [04:01:09] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp_, why the _? |
| [04:02:44] | wagnerrp_: | there was already a 'wagner' on the server when i logged on |
| [04:02:47] | wagnerrp_ is now known as wagnerrp | |
| [04:03:13] | [R]: | wagnerrp: you erally should learn how to use nickserv |
| [04:03:14] | wagnerrp: | network cycled, and my previous session was still using the name when i reconnected |
| [04:03:50] | wagnerrp: | you mean program xchat to automatically ghost an old session when i log in? |
| [04:04:18] | [R]: | yes |
| [04:04:57] | Twiggy2cents: | I wasnt sure if you were adopting the "I'm away" thing or something |
| [04:07:14] | wagnerrp: | how is it that people can use the mailing list, and ever notice that "gee, everyone else here is replying on the bottom".... |
| [04:07:26] | wagnerrp: | s/ever/never/ |
| [04:08:35] | [R]: | some email clients default to the top] |
| [04:09:04] | wagnerrp: | sure, but you can't recognize a pattern, and realize when you're going against that pattern? |
| [04:10:17] | [R]: | i rpboably woudn't notice |
| [04:10:19] | [R]: | if i dint know |
| [04:11:53] | Twiggy2cents: | Why does that google docs link seem a little extreme? |
| [04:12:38] | [R]: | EXTREME |
| [04:12:59] | Twiggy2cents: | Like extreme kayaking sort of extreme |
| [04:13:25] | [R]: | EXTREME CHEEDAR |
| [04:13:40] | wagnerrp: | extreme snacking? |
| [04:14:05] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:22:14] | prologic: | wagnerrp, all very good points – thanks! I'll review those two items |
| [04:22:21] | prologic: | hard to find a combo that works nicely :) |
| [04:23:35] | wagnerrp: | personally, i would have gone for something a bit bigger |
| [04:24:05] | wagnerrp: | no sense trying to cram everything into a 2U case unless you're trying to fit a whole bunch of space into limited rack space |
| [04:24:20] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [04:24:44] | wagnerrp: | bigger case means more hard drive bays should you want to add more storage, easier cooling, cheaper power supplies, etc... |
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| [06:33:25] | prologic: | if I'm already planning on building a 12TB (to start with) ZFS RAID-Z2 NAS – does it make sense to have a mythtv backend with lots of drives? |
| [06:33:41] | prologic: | or just a smaller set of drives (say 4) for livetv recording |
| [06:33:54] | wagnerrp: | why not run your backend on the NAS? |
| [06:34:17] | prologic: | NAS will likely run freenas or solaris |
| [06:34:28] | prologic: | I don't really want to try getting mythtv backend on that |
| [06:34:31] | wagnerrp: | i run my master backend on freebsd |
| [06:34:39] | wagnerrp: | works just fine |
| [06:34:43] | prologic: | hmm |
| [06:35:00] | dekarl: | hmm, a freenas with mythbackend sounds nice |
| [06:35:15] | prologic: | I think I want to keep them separate :) |
| [06:35:22] | wagnerrp: | FreeNAS is based off NanaBSD, and may not have the packages necessary to satisfy the dependencies for mythtv |
| [06:35:41] | wagnerrp: | but you can always just run a freebsd install within a jail on freenas |
| [06:35:44] | wagnerrp: | they use the same kernel |
| [06:36:14] | wagnerrp: | the only drawback to running mythbackend on freebsd is driver support |
| [06:36:16] | prologic: | hmm |
| [06:36:25] | wagnerrp: | and i use an hdhomerun... so no driver support needed |
| [06:36:28] | prologic: | yeah that could potentially be a problem |
| [06:36:37] | prologic: | Hauppauge HVR-2200 cards |
| [06:36:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, not much luck there |
| [06:36:52] | prologic: | hmm |
| [06:36:58] | prologic: | I quite like those cards |
| [06:37:31] | prologic: | this is a separate mythtv backend + mythtv frontend (probably a ZOTAC) upgrade – my current setup is an all-in-one backend/frontend |
| [06:38:15] | prologic: | you really think a 2RU case with 2 PCIe cards, 2 2.5" SSDs, 4 3.5" SATA HDDs will be too cramped? :) |
| [06:38:37] | wagnerrp: | not too cramped, just needlessly cramped |
| [06:38:56] | wagnerrp: | if you don't _need_ to make it that small, why do so? |
| [06:39:05] | prologic: | yeah thinking :) |
| [06:39:15] | prologic: | I'm planning on a 18RU rack cabinet |
| [06:39:57] | wagnerrp: | of course my comments were made assuming that would be your primary file storage |
| [06:40:18] | wagnerrp: | if its only going to be a backend, and you're going to have a separate NAS |
| [06:40:28] | wagnerrp: | you can always shuffle stuff over there |
| [06:40:47] | prologic: | yeah that's my plan |
| [06:40:51] | wagnerrp: | perhaps run an instance of mythmediaserver on it so you don't have to mount things between the two |
| [06:40:54] | prologic: | dip all my dvds in the book case onto the nas |
| [06:41:04] | prologic: | setup storage groups on the backend for the dvs |
| [06:41:16] | prologic: | and use the 4x 2TB 3.5" drives for live tv recording |
| [06:41:38] | wagnerrp: | that's an awful lot of storage for live tv |
| [06:41:49] | wagnerrp: | considering that is expired after 24 hours by default |
| [06:41:51] | prologic: | on the topic of ram |
| [06:41:55] | prologic: | 32GB is overkill right? |
| [06:42:03] | prologic: | (it was just a copy of another configuration – the NAS) |
| [06:42:06] | wagnerrp: | if it's only going to be your backend, absolutely |
| [06:42:20] | wagnerrp: | ZFS _loves_ memory, give it as much as you're willing to buy |
| [06:42:33] | prologic: | yeah :) |
| [06:42:48] | wagnerrp: | but the backend? ~4GB is easily plenty |
| [06:42:48] | prologic: | the Xeons ok for a backend? |
| [06:43:15] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to bother with a Xeon is because you either want to do a multi-socket server, or you want ECC memory |
| [06:43:25] | wagnerrp: | the standard intel chips dont do ECC |
| [06:43:46] | wagnerrp: | even though they're the same exact chip, and ECC support is just disabled in microcode |
| [06:45:01] | [R]: | bastardos |
| [06:45:13] | prologic: | well actually the only reason I wanted the Xeon (the NAS config has it) is the low power 80W TDP |
| [06:46:22] | wagnerrp: | erm... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775 |
| [06:46:52] | prologic: | heh |
| [06:47:00] | prologic: | I think that's what I've go in my current backend/frontend |
| [06:47:16] | prologic: | reckon that'll handle 4 recordings from two dual tuners? |
| [06:47:17] | [R]: | i think 55 w is better then 80w... |
| [06:47:30] | [R]: | prologic: it doesnt take any processing power to record digital |
| [06:47:33] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners really take very little power |
| [06:47:33] | prologic: | 55w<80w :) yeah I think so |
| [06:47:42] | wagnerrp: | it's all in the jobqueue and scheduler |
| [06:47:44] | prologic: | hmm |
| [06:47:52] | prologic: | ok that convinces me |
| [06:47:55] | wagnerrp: | isnt that the same clockrate of the one you had? |
| [06:48:01] | prologic: | yeap |
| [06:48:04] | prologic: | just 1/2 the coreds |
| [06:48:05] | wagnerrp: | dual core, 3.3GHz or so? |
| [06:48:07] | prologic: | which is fine for a backend |
| [06:48:10] | wagnerrp: | oh, it was a quad |
| [06:48:13] | prologic: | yup |
| [06:48:16] | prologic: | quad xeon |
| [06:48:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the quad i5s are 77W |
| [06:49:07] | wagnerrp: | and $209 in US dollars |
| [06:49:23] | wagnerrp: | considering electronics are usually priced a bit higher in canada, savings are probably a wash |
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| [06:50:00] | wagnerrp: | at that point, i would probably go ahead and get the Xeon just for ECC |
| [06:50:58] | prologic: | good then I'm glad I picked it :) |
| [06:51:07] | prologic: | I'll just stick with the config I've got I think |
| [06:51:11] | prologic: | but just 8GB of RAM |
| [06:51:57] | prologic: | unless there's some good reason to have more – like transcoding all livetv to H.264 for iPad/iPhone deviceS? |
| [06:52:20] | wagnerrp: | well you would only transcode the shows you wanted to use |
| [06:52:31] | wagnerrp: | assuming you had the power to do it in real time |
| [06:54:17] | prologic: | that's true |
| [06:55:14] | prologic: | it's quite funny how you realize you need 4 tuners when you get into situation where you've got 2 recordings going and you want to record a 3rd or watch live tv |
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| [08:23:48] | prologic: | what comes off digital tv in terms of how much storage is consumed per hour? |
| [08:26:31] | sheppard: | depends |
| [08:26:54] | sheppard: | is it hd? what resolution, are you storing it as raw mpeg2 TS? |
| [08:28:27] | prologic: | digtal tv vs. digtal hd is different right? |
| [08:28:34] | prologic: | some channels are HD some arn't |
| [08:28:57] | prologic: | and I have no idea what it's storing as |
| [08:29:07] | prologic: | whatever comes off the Hauppauge HVR-2200 I gues |
| [08:29:10] | ** prologic looks that up ** | |
| [08:30:15] | sheppard: | I need to get my hd-pvr going |
| [08:30:22] | sheppard: | think I'll be better off just capping in windows |
| [08:30:42] | prologic: | what card? |
| [08:30:52] | sheppard: | that's what it is |
| [08:30:59] | sheppard: | hauppauge hd-pvr |
| [08:31:14] | sheppard: | caps via composite from a STB |
| [08:31:32] | sheppard: | I have iptv, and they encrypt the WMV streams, so I can't just dump them |
| [08:31:43] | sheppard: | and my buddy in broadcast won't hook me up with the decode keys, lol |
| [08:34:47] | prologic: | hmm |
| [08:35:04] | prologic: | what I really want to know is hor many hours of SD/HD LiveTV I can record |
| [08:35:15] | sheppard: | how much storage do you have |
| [08:35:38] | sheppard: | and yoru card should say what it outputs as |
| [08:37:34] | prologic: | yeah I can't find specs on that |
| [08:37:39] | prologic: | for the HVR-2200 |
| [08:37:49] | prologic: | just basic marketing material |
| [08:38:11] | sheppard: | oh |
| [08:38:14] | prologic: | I have a 1TB hdd in my backend/frontend box right now |
| [08:38:16] | sheppard: | are you capping dvb/fta? |
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| [08:39:07] | sheppard: | it's probably just mpeg2 |
| [08:39:26] | prologic: | but what I'm trying to work out is if I upgrade to a separate rack mounted backend with a zotac frontend – 4x 2TB disks in RAID-10 or 4x 1TB disks in raid-10 |
| [08:39:28] | prologic: | keeping in mind this'll be for recordings and livetv only |
| [08:39:30] | prologic: | and more permanent – dvd rips, important recordings, etc, I'll chuck on the NAS |
| [08:40:03] | sheppard: | I wouldn't bother with raid-10 |
| [08:40:20] | sheppard: | it's unlikely you need the speed |
| [08:41:03] | sheppard: | if it's just temp, I don't see why a 4x1TB raid5 couldn't hold at least a weeks worth of programming |
| [08:41:07] | sheppard: | depending on how much you cap |
| [08:41:23] | sheppard: | but I'm just guesstimating |
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| [09:01:17] | prologic: | hmm |
| [09:01:40] | prologic: | you don't think you'd need the speed with 4 tuners? |
| [09:09:43] | prologic: | you know. I cannot find any specifications or a fact sheet on this card |
| [09:09:46] | prologic: | how useless |
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| [11:20:37] | tubo: | gave up looking for a 0.26 precompiled OSX frontend and attempting to build one now. Any URLs for 0.26 MacOSX working front ends yet? |
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| [13:47:23] | jcs: | REGISTER |
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| [15:22:19] | rhpot1991: | I'm seeing the following in my frontend logs post 0.26 upgrade: mythfrontend[8306]: I CoreContext dbcheck.cpp:463 (UpgradeTVDatabaseSchema) Waiting for database schema upgrade lock |
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| [15:23:06] | rhpot1991: | I thought maybe my reboot after upgrade cause the system to restart before the db update was done, so I stopped mythbackend restored db from a backup and relaunched the backend |
| [15:23:31] | rhpot1991: | now I see the following in my backend logs: mythbackend[9347]: I CoreContext dbcheck.cpp:463 (UpgradeTVDatabaseSchema) Waiting for database schema upgrade lock |
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| [15:36:21] | rhpot1991: | fixed the backend, I disconnected all the clients, restored and rebooted to make sure everything came up fresh, it then did the db upgrade |
| [15:36:27] | rhpot1991: | frontends are still throwing the same error though |
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| [15:45:18] | rhpot1991: | looks like there may have been a frontend hung behind the scenes somewhere, killing that and spawning one by hand has fixed the issue |
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| [18:05:27] | quinten: | i built a nice mythtv box a few years ago, but i'm now frustrated by noise and power consumption. i've been looking at Raspberry Pi, but it looks like it's either a little underpowered or not quite optimized enough. I already have HDHomerun, IR receiver, and keyboard. is there a cheap, extreme low power and fanless Myth frontend/backend out there that I could put together? |
| [18:05:56] | quinten: | something like the Raspberry Pi but actually working now |
| [18:06:06] | quinten: | I'm assuming it might need an external HD |
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| [18:11:17] | quinten: | everything on the mythtv website seems to be about 2 years old |
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| [18:50:49] | jgautier: | hey my mythbuntu box is currently stuck on a channel that keeps crashing the front end with "Error opening jump program file" how i can set the frontend to tune to a different channel when i hit watch tv? |
| [18:57:51] | tank-man: | 'mythtv-setup' i beleive |
| [19:00:26] | jams: | quinten the pi will struggle with playing HD video |
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| [19:03:03] | jgautier: | i went to mythtv-setup and set the default channel to "3" (it was already set to 3) but then in the frontend when i got live tv it still tunes to the bad channel |
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| [19:09:46] | jams: | jgautier- mythtv-setup->input connections-> pick card -> starting channel |
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| [19:12:43] | jgautier: | +jams thats what i set and it is saying "3" right now in mythtv-setup but when i got back to the frontned and go to live tv it tunes to 825 (which makes the frontend crash) |
| [19:14:47] | jams: | do you have more then one card? |
| [19:15:08] | jgautier: | i have 1 ceton card which has 4 tuners....and they are all set to be channel 3 |
| [19:16:43] | jams: | hmm..that should be the spot |
| [19:17:10] | jams: | backend was stopped when the change was amde? |
| [19:17:34] | jgautier: | when i go to mythtv-setup it asks me to stop it and i say yes then it restarts it automatically when i exit |
| [19:18:02] | jams: | magic |
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| [19:18:38] | jgautier: | on the other hand.....any chance you can help me figure out why this channel wont tune? |
| [19:18:58] | jams: | i'm not the person for that..sorry |
| [19:19:24] | jgautier: | do you know where the startup channel for live tv i set in the database..i can just update it manually if i know where it is |
| [19:20:12] | tank-man: | if you know how to manually update the db, you know how to list the tables and columns :) |
| [19:20:37] | jgautier: | thats a lot of tables and columns to go through :P |
| [19:21:14] | jams: | looks like cardinput |
| [19:23:19] | jgautier: | the 'startchan' column in cardinput is set to 3 for all the 4 tuners...this what i am assuming is what the mythtv-setup is using |
| [19:23:23] | jgautier: | theres gotta be another place |
| [19:23:54] | jams: | i don't know what it is |
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| [21:15:03] | justinh: | I thought I'd knocked the upstart stuff starting multiple instances of mythbackend on the head. apparently not |
| [21:15:54] | jgautier: | for anyone who cares that problem i was having with the default channles was in the 'settings' table and i had to update the 'DefaultChanId' to a new channel |
| [21:16:04] | jgautier: | now when i go to watch live tv it doesnt load the broken channel |
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| [21:16:19] | wizbit: | i updated to slackware 14 |
| [21:16:27] | wizbit: | and mythweb stopped working :( |
| [21:16:31] | wizbit: | PHP Fatal error: Call-time pass-by-reference has been removed in /usr/local/share/mythtv/bindings/php/MythBase.php on line 50 |
| [21:17:40] | justinh: | wizbit: looks like a use case which has been deprecated in recent PHP versions |
| [21:18:12] | justinh: | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8971261/ph . . . ix-available may help |
| [21:18:24] | wizbit: | ace |
| [21:18:59] | justinh: | but it'd me mythbase.php you have to fix, not your PHP configuration |
| [21:19:08] | justinh: | it'd be*.. not it'd me |
| [21:19:13] | wizbit: | i think it might be cleaner if i downgrade php |
| [21:19:24] | wizbit: | i can use the php from slackware 13.37 what worked |
| [21:19:47] | justinh: | well, try fixing it & then submit a ticket – that way more people will benefit :-) |
| [21:19:57] | wizbit: | justinh: it would be a nightmware patching those files everytime i upgrade mythtv |
| [21:20:09] | justinh: | not if you submit a patch :-) |
| [21:20:11] | wizbit: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10504 |
| [21:20:39] | justinh: | ahhh |
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| [21:21:28] | wizbit: | surely ubuntu users are on php 5.4 |
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| [21:33:44] | wizbit: | justinh: i think its been fixed in .26 |
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| [21:37:20] | darkdrgn2k3: | is tehre a way to rename a slave backend ealy? |
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| [21:46:33] | justinh: | backends can have names?! |
| [21:47:31] | darkdrgn2k3: | hostnames |
| [21:50:56] | justinh: | more than one name can point to the same address :-) |
| [21:51:17] | justinh: | I've only ever used IP addresses in mythtv, personally |
| [21:51:26] | justinh: | when I started, name resolution was but a dream |
| [22:00:30] | darkdrgn2k3: | justinh: but srettings are stored by hostname no? |
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| [22:59:20] | darkdrgn2k3: | any one ever see this: i have a mceusb device, when i try sening IR the IR lights up but doesnt seem to be actualy sending any IR |
| [22:59:33] | darkdrgn2k3: | atleast device doe not repond, but when itry with a nother mceusb device it works |
| [22:59:36] | darkdrgn2k3: | udb id 1934:5168 |
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| [23:27:43] | Twiggy2cents: | was the ability to sort recordings by original air date removed in .25? |
| [23:27:46] | Twiggy2cents: | I cant find it. |
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| [23:32:05] | Twiggy2cents: | nvm I was in the wrong spot |
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