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| [00:35:11] | skd5aner: | !seen RDVLinux |
| [00:35:11] | MythLogBot: | RDVLinux has not been seen here |
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| [00:35:52] | MythLogBot: | RDV_Linux was last seen 312 days 6 hours 11 minutes 4 seconds ago |
| [00:36:11] | skd5aner: | darn, wanted to thank him for the lossless cut stuff he was working on |
| [00:36:14] | skd5aner: | works really well |
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| [00:39:38] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Thanks. I changed my IRC name to IReboot a few months ago. Never liked the RDV_Linux name. |
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| [00:40:21] | skd5aner: | IReboot: ahh, heh – gotcha – well, thanks for all the work – I mean, it's obvious from just looking at the wiki documentation you've put a ton a effort in to it |
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| [00:40:55] | skd5aner: | IReboot: I gave it a go this evening, and was able to move off a concert I recorded long ago with my HD-PVR |
| [00:41:33] | skd5aner: | I typically use nuvexport for most things, but some things I want to keep the multi-channel digital audio, which nuvexport can't |
| [00:41:48] | skd5aner: | so, it's nice to have the lossless option for that kind of stuff :D |
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| [00:42:49] | IReboot: | skd5aner: cool. I have another project coming down the pipe but so far it is only on paper. I will do something rad and get user input before development. The request for input will be on the mailing list in the next week or two. |
| [00:43:18] | skd5aner: | any additional teasing you can do? |
| [00:44:23] | IReboot: | skd5aner: My working title is "Trancode Hub" and sister but independent project from Lossless Cut based on handbrakecli (at this time). |
| [00:44:37] | IReboot: | s/and/a/ |
| [00:46:44] | skd5aner: | oooooooh... nice, I'm assuming that mobile might be a big driver for this? |
| [00:47:10] | skd5aner: | Perhaps it'll be the evolution of nuvexport I've been looking for for about 5 years |
| [00:47:13] | skd5aner: | :) |
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| [00:48:03] | IReboot: | I intend to add alot of bells and whistles but of course it is all talk at this point. |
| [00:48:37] | skd5aner: | I have one request, that may or may not line up with your project... but I'd love a way to be able to cut and export multiple clips in a single recording... think an hour long recording of music videos, or specific saturday night live sketches per episode, etc... |
| [00:48:58] | skd5aner: | leveraging cutlists where multiple segments exists – each segment becomes an indepedently exported video |
| [00:49:33] | skd5aner: | and, of course, I'm just daydreaming out loud, hoping someone else with the right skillsets and desire to work on something related hears me out ;) |
| [00:50:26] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Unfortunately quality cuts only happen if there is a keyframe accurate seek table. Also you can only append multiple videos when they have exactly the same attributes (video, audio ...) |
| [00:50:42] | skd5aner: | well... |
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| [00:50:52] | skd5aner: | what I'm getting at is more like this... |
| [00:51:03] | skd5aner: | 1 hour recording... 8 music videos... |
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| [00:51:59] | skd5aner: | manually create a cutlist (use keyframes), and every break designates the start and stop of a specific clip to export |
| [00:52:15] | skd5aner: | so, you'd have 8 videos in that scenario |
| [00:53:31] | skd5aner: | Every now and then SNL will have a funny skit or two per espisode, and I like archiving the bits of the show I like – but right now in nuvexport, I have to cut everything except the skit I like – then export, then go back in and edit the recording, delete all the cutoints, create new ones around the next sketch, repeat |
| [00:53:35] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Hmm interesting. So if I understand each cut segments turns into an independent video? Of that is what you want then that would be relatively simple to add to Lossless cut as a command line argument. |
| [00:54:03] | IReboot: | s/Of that/If that/ |
| [00:54:05] | skd5aner: | yea, exactly |
| [00:54:56] | skd5aner: | listen – I'm not trying to request it of you – just thought I'd share an idea of a particular use case that I've thought would be cool for a long time :) |
| [00:55:21] | skd5aner: | if you want to do it however... heh ;) |
| [00:55:50] | IReboot: | I will put it on the list. I do not see that so much as a user job but more like you run lossless_cut from the command line with the special -i (independent switch) on |
| [00:56:26] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [00:56:57] | IReboot: | Nothing would stop you from have it as a user job but probably not worth taking up one of the four slots. |
| [00:57:09] | skd5aner: | agreed... it's probably more of a corner case, but certain content might lend itself to that (i.e., music videos, sketch shows, etc) |
| [00:57:32] | skd5aner: | btw... |
| [00:57:48] | skd5aner: | I realized that I ran the --test, per the wiki, as root the first time... |
| [00:58:27] | IReboot: | Does any one know on Android how to select a menu item on CWM. I am a complete noob and just load my first room but do not know how press OK on the reboot:( |
| [00:58:29] | skd5aner: | and when I did so, my user job would fail because the /tmp/lossless_cut direct was created/owned by root |
| [00:58:34] | skd5aner: | 755 |
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| [00:59:29] | skd5aner: | so, when I tried to run it via the job, it'd fail because it couldn't create anything in the folder |
| [00:59:49] | IReboot: | Your the second person that ended up with odd permissions issues. Although there is no mention of needed root except for adding the PPA and installed the deb. |
| [00:59:57] | skd5aner: | since mythtv ran as my non-root account |
| [01:00:26] | skd5aner: | yea, I have a habit of using sudo -i when I know I'll have to run multiple root commands in a row |
| [01:00:43] | skd5aner: | so I just forgot to exit back to my non-root account when I ran the test cli |
| [01:01:06] | IReboot: | been there done that |
| [01:01:13] | skd5aner: | it was a self induced issue, but perhaps that folder should be created with 777 or something |
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| [01:02:57] | skd5aner: | IReboot: I haven't tried the -e (export) option yet... where would the file land in mythvideo? |
| [01:05:29] | IReboot: | skd5aner: look at the "~/.mythtv/lossless_cut.cfg" file. In there are settings for the export directory and naming convention. Default is "Review/TV/Series – SXXEXX – Episode.mkv" but read the docs in the cfg file. |
| [01:05:42] | skd5aner: | ah, thanks |
| [01:05:51] | IReboot: | You get a tone of options. |
| [01:05:53] | skd5aner: | anyway – gonna go watch some TV.. thanks SO much for your contributions |
| [01:06:00] | IReboot: | np |
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| [02:00:22] | mattwj2002: | good day all |
| [02:00:23] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:03:01] | mattwj2002: | what is a refurished hard drive? |
| [02:03:15] | mattwj2002: | *refurished |
| [02:03:18] | mattwj2002: | grr |
| [02:03:27] | mattwj2002: | *refurbished |
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| [02:17:25] | monkeypet: | refurb hd |
| [02:17:29] | monkeypet: | oh no |
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| [02:22:23] | mattwj2002: | just asking |
| [02:22:27] | mattwj2002: | wasn't buying |
| [02:22:34] | mattwj2002: | what are those returned drives? |
| [02:23:35] | monkeypet: | i imagine customer returns from dropped drives where they map out more bad blocks. |
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| [02:28:37] | wagnerrp: | what specifically do you want to record? |
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| [02:28:54] | LittleFoot: | what can i record |
| [02:29:22] | wagnerrp: | you can record any scheduled TV, from any source |
| [02:29:36] | wagnerrp: | but depending on what that source is, your hardware is going to change |
| [02:29:59] | LittleFoot: | only local right |
| [02:30:10] | wagnerrp: | local... broadcast? |
| [02:30:35] | LittleFoot: | i see only one card that can record cable |
| [02:30:46] | LittleFoot: | but it needs the access card |
| [02:30:49] | wagnerrp: | "cable" is not "local" |
| [02:31:10] | wagnerrp: | you want to record time warner digital cable then? |
| [02:31:22] | LittleFoot: | or satelite |
| [02:31:38] | wagnerrp: | either way, same thing... |
| [02:31:56] | wagnerrp: | you need to do analog capture, since there is no way for mythtv to access those encrypted streams directly |
| [02:32:04] | LittleFoot: | yes |
| [02:32:17] | LittleFoot: | ok forget that |
| [02:32:34] | LittleFoot: | what is the best tunner card for linux |
| [02:32:37] | wagnerrp: | if you're satisfied with standard definition, any of PVR-150/-500 or HVR-1600/-1850/-2250 will work |
| [02:32:50] | wagnerrp: | for high definition, the only option is the hauppauge HDPVR |
| [02:33:04] | wagnerrp: | plug one of those capture devices into your cable/satellite box |
| [02:33:08] | LittleFoot: | and you still have to pay for cable right |
| [02:33:21] | wagnerrp: | how else would you get cable if not by paying for it? |
| [02:33:27] | LittleFoot: | i kno haha |
| [02:33:32] | LittleFoot: | damit |
| [02:33:50] | LittleFoot: | ok so tv fine ive been thru this before |
| [02:34:06] | LittleFoot: | jus wanted to make sure there wasnt something new |
| [02:34:24] | wagnerrp: | well there are cablecard tuners, those are relatively new |
| [02:34:49] | LittleFoot: | they have horible problems |
| [02:34:52] | wagnerrp: | but since we are not licensed by cable labs (and cannot be licensed because we are open source), we are limited to the "copy freely" or DRM-free channels |
| [02:35:21] | wagnerrp: | on comcast, verizon, or a couple other provides, you can get everything but the premiums |
| [02:35:27] | wagnerrp: | on time warner... you get nothing |
| [02:35:34] | wagnerrp: | they mark nearly everything as copy protected |
| [02:35:41] | LittleFoot: | oh |
| [02:35:49] | LittleFoot: | shitheads |
| [02:35:56] | wagnerrp: | please watch the language |
| [02:36:22] | mattwj2002: | on comcast you use to get just about everything besides the movie channels |
| [02:36:36] | mattwj2002: | only what you subscribe to course |
| [02:36:37] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:36:40] | wagnerrp: | if you're just going to stick with broadcast, we dont actually support hardware, we just use the standard interfaces |
| [02:36:50] | wagnerrp: | so any ATSC tuner supported by the LinuxTV project should be fine |
| [02:36:55] | wagnerrp: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices |
| [02:37:51] | LittleFoot: | is ntsc needed? |
| [02:37:57] | mattwj2002: | personally I am a fan of hdhomeruns |
| [02:38:09] | mattwj2002: | if you live in the states |
| [02:38:18] | wagnerrp: | NTSC really no longer exists |
| [02:38:22] | mattwj2002: | which you would if you are after ATSC |
| [02:38:36] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: actually I can get NTSC on my cable oddly enough :P |
| [02:39:15] | wagnerrp: | i havent been able to for... coming up on two years |
| [02:39:39] | mattwj2002: | 1–22 or something like that is all NTSC analog cable |
| [02:39:40] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:39:45] | mattwj2002: | 2 – 22 I mean |
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| [02:40:31] | mattwj2002: | everything else is either QAM clear or encrypted ATSC |
| [02:40:44] | wagnerrp: | no such thing as "encrypted ATSC" |
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| [02:40:58] | mattwj2002: | encrypted whatever |
| [02:40:59] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:41:15] | mattwj2002: | sorry |
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| [02:41:46] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: what type of tuners do you have? |
| [02:41:52] | mattwj2002: | I love the hdhomerun |
| [02:41:57] | wagnerrp: | a HDHR and a HVR-1250 |
| [02:42:10] | wagnerrp: | plus a pair of disused -150s |
| [02:42:33] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [02:42:46] | mattwj2002: | those 150s were hot stuff back in the day |
| [02:42:47] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:43:10] | LittleFoot: | is hdhr on newegg |
| [02:43:23] | mattwj2002: | yup |
| [02:43:40] | LittleFoot: | gimme |
| [02:44:39] | mattwj2002: | search for HDHomeRun |
| [02:44:40] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:44:45] | LittleFoot: | oh that one |
| [02:44:57] | LittleFoot: | thats the analog one |
| [02:45:01] | LittleFoot: | its not a tunner |
| [02:46:06] | wagnerrp: | no, the HDHR is a network attached dual digital tuner |
| [02:46:15] | wagnerrp: | it does not support analog |
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| [02:47:01] | mattwj2002: | what is with the elgato HDHomeRuns? |
| [02:47:06] | mattwj2002: | what is different about those? |
| [02:47:19] | wagnerrp: | they carry elgato's branding on their case |
| [02:47:25] | mattwj2002: | that is it? |
| [02:47:34] | wagnerrp: | more than likely |
| [02:48:24] | mattwj2002: | I want the hdrack tuner! |
| [02:48:24] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [02:48:38] | wagnerrp: | the Tech units? |
| [02:49:06] | LittleFoot: | how much a month |
| [02:49:15] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [02:49:22] | LittleFoot: | hdhomerun |
| [02:49:26] | LittleFoot: | how does it work |
| [02:49:28] | wagnerrp: | $0/mo |
| [02:49:35] | mattwj2002: | well one has 8 tuners in it that is why |
| [02:49:36] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:49:42] | wagnerrp: | you buy it, and you own it, and you don't have to pay anyone anything but the upfront purchase cost |
| [02:49:54] | LittleFoot: | ok but how do i get speedtv |
| [02:50:14] | wagnerrp: | for that, you need the HDHomeRun Prime... slightly different |
| [02:50:26] | wagnerrp: | and then you need to rent a cable card from your cable provider |
| [02:50:34] | LittleFoot: | ok so hd homerun is like a tv tunner card |
| [02:50:34] | wagnerrp: | but first, you need to get a better cable provider than Time Warner |
| [02:50:48] | LittleFoot: | oh ic |
| [02:50:56] | wagnerrp: | it's exactly like a tuner card, only it's in a little network-attached box |
| [02:51:04] | LittleFoot: | yes |
| [02:51:17] | LittleFoot: | the box makes it confusing |
| [02:51:19] | mattwj2002: | can't he get the network channels though with the basic homeruns? |
| [02:51:34] | mattwj2002: | like the hdhomerun dual |
| [02:51:45] | wagnerrp: | sure, if Time Warner transmitted anything but the local channels unencrypted |
| [02:52:07] | LittleFoot: | yeah but encryption is encryption |
| [02:52:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what that means |
| [02:52:22] | LittleFoot: | basicly u need a card or not |
| [02:52:29] | mattwj2002: | that is basically all I get |
| [02:52:33] | wagnerrp: | you need a tuner that accepts a cablecard |
| [02:52:46] | wagnerrp: | and then your cablecard-enabled tuner handles all the decryption for you |
| [02:52:47] | mattwj2002: | the local channels |
| [02:53:09] | LittleFoot: | can one with a card accept unencrypted tho? |
| [02:53:20] | LittleFoot: | incase i cancel |
| [02:53:38] | LittleFoot: | the card |
| [02:53:53] | wagnerrp: | if you cancel, the cablecard goes back to Time Warner, and the tuner becomes a simple clear QAM tuner |
| [02:54:05] | LittleFoot: | ok so it can do both |
| [02:54:17] | LittleFoot: | id rather buy the carded one i guess |
| [02:54:24] | wagnerrp: | however if you canceled, you no longer have any cable, and neither the Prime, DCR-2650, or InfiniTV can do broadcast ATSC |
| [02:54:43] | LittleFoot: | well tahts what im asking |
| [02:54:51] | LittleFoot: | do i need 2 types then? |
| [02:54:59] | wagnerrp: | none of the currently available cablecard tuners can do broadcast |
| [02:55:10] | wagnerrp: | they are only designed to be used with a cable subscription |
| [02:55:15] | LittleFoot: | jesus |
| [02:55:18] | LittleFoot: | ok now |
| [02:55:44] | LittleFoot: | what is the diff between homerun and pci card |
| [02:55:59] | wagnerrp: | one is a PCI card, the other is a box that sits on your network |
| [02:56:01] | LittleFoot: | like what is the benefit of wified box |
| [02:56:11] | wagnerrp: | hardline, not wireless |
| [02:56:29] | LittleFoot: | can you do multiple tvs easier |
| [02:56:38] | wagnerrp: | with mythtv, it makes no difference |
| [02:56:42] | LittleFoot: | i c |
| [02:56:52] | wagnerrp: | since all access is routed through the backend(s) anyway |
| [02:57:05] | wagnerrp: | for mythtv's purposes, the convenience of the HDHomeRun is two fold |
| [02:57:09] | LittleFoot: | how would you set up the clients then |
| [02:57:18] | LittleFoot: | lets say your main tower is server |
| [02:57:24] | wagnerrp: | first, since it's network attached as opposed to a local device, it does not require any drivers |
| [02:57:33] | wagnerrp: | so regressions in the kernel are not going to impact mythtv |
| [02:57:59] | wagnerrp: | second, since it does not have to be inside your PC, you can do things like stick it up in the attic, right next to your antenna |
| [02:58:27] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [02:58:46] | wagnerrp: | basically, mythtv is split into two parts, backend and frontend |
| [02:58:55] | wagnerrp: | you have one master backend that manages everything |
| [02:59:05] | wagnerrp: | but you can add additional slave backends, with additional tuners and storage |
| [02:59:14] | wagnerrp: | the backend records and stores, the frontend plays |
| [02:59:36] | wagnerrp: | and you can run both backend and frontend on the same machine, you can run then on different machines, you can have multiples of each |
| [02:59:40] | LittleFoot: | so the pvr is a client? |
| [02:59:50] | wagnerrp: | define "pvr" |
| [03:00:10] | LittleFoot: | and u conect it to tv and it gets video to tv from server? |
| [03:00:24] | wagnerrp: | meaning the frontend... |
| [03:00:35] | wagnerrp: | in which case it wouldn't be a "PVR", since it doesn't record anything |
| [03:00:50] | wagnerrp: | mythtv as a whole system can be considered a PVR/DVR |
| [03:00:50] | LittleFoot: | i mean the homerun box |
| [03:00:56] | wagnerrp: | but the individual machines are not |
| [03:01:06] | wagnerrp: | the HDHomeRun is just a tuner |
| [03:01:12] | LittleFoot: | so each tv needs its own computer |
| [03:01:20] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [03:01:24] | LittleFoot: | oh |
| [03:01:27] | LittleFoot: | argh |
| [03:01:32] | LittleFoot: | dont like that |
| [03:01:34] | wagnerrp: | or, you can use TVs with UPnP support built in, for limited capability |
| [03:01:53] | wagnerrp: | well if you didn't have a computer on each TV, how else would you expect this to rowk? |
| [03:01:55] | wagnerrp: | *work |
| [03:02:24] | LittleFoot: | why isnt there a box u connect to tv which gets from server |
| [03:02:45] | wagnerrp: | what would that "box" be? |
| [03:02:50] | LittleFoot: | computer |
| [03:02:52] | LittleFoot: | grrr |
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| [03:03:44] | LittleFoot: | it needs to be ready to go |
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| [03:03:56] | LittleFoot: | and small |
| [03:04:02] | wagnerrp: | technically, with the proper hardware, you can run multiple frontends off a single computer |
| [03:04:12] | LittleFoot: | oh alrite |
| [03:04:14] | wagnerrp: | but that shouldn't be attempted unless you're vell versed in Xorg and ALSA |
| [03:04:17] | LittleFoot: | that sounds beter |
| [03:04:35] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:04:40] | LittleFoot: | yes i can deff do that |
| [03:04:41] | neufeld: | LittleFoot: example: I have an HD Homerun attached to my home network. A powerline network adapter allows my MythTV computer in the basement to have a high speed connection to this. The basement computer runs backend and frontend. It's attached to the TV. We watch the TV. If I want to watch on my computer upstairs, I have backend software there, and watch shows streamed through the powerline network. |
| [03:04:46] | [R]: | i once had 1 computer running 2 tvs |
| [03:04:48] | [R]: | was a huge pita |
| [03:04:55] | LittleFoot: | pita?! |
| [03:04:58] | wagnerrp: | you _can_ do it, but unless you already know exactly _how_ to do it, you shouldn't attempt it |
| [03:05:40] | neufeld: | The basement computer can be small, just big enough to hold a hard drive, a network adapter, and a video card with hardware assisted decoding. |
| [03:05:50] | LittleFoot: | how do you connect the tvs to it |
| [03:05:58] | LittleFoot: | hdmi cable? |
| [03:06:19] | neufeld: | Video adapter output has HDMI outputs. I run stereo wires to the receiver box that controls the speakers. |
| [03:06:21] | wagnerrp: | that's the most common for newer setups |
| [03:06:37] | neufeld: | I used to use S-Video, but with HD outputs you need something heftier. |
| [03:06:54] | LittleFoot: | yeah that sounds like the way to go |
| [03:07:05] | wagnerrp: | hard to find a video card that will even do svideo these days |
| [03:07:34] | LittleFoot: | you still have to run cable for any receiver, computer anyhow |
| [03:07:44] | LittleFoot: | id rather it be hdmi cable |
| [03:07:50] | LittleFoot: | much thinner |
| [03:07:59] | LittleFoot: | well a lil thiner |
| [03:08:34] | LittleFoot: | do they make hdmi cables with connectors you can crimp |
| [03:08:44] | wagnerrp: | technically, the frontend doesn't even need a hard drive |
| [03:08:50] | LittleFoot: | yes |
| [03:08:53] | wagnerrp: | you can boot over the network |
| [03:09:03] | wagnerrp: | and no, you wouldn't even want to consider trying to make your own HDMI cables |
| [03:09:13] | LittleFoot: | oh |
| [03:09:16] | wagnerrp: | go to monoprice, find the closest length you need |
| [03:09:18] | LittleFoot: | too many cables lol |
| [03:09:28] | wagnerrp: | 19 of em |
| [03:09:38] | LittleFoot: | well network cables are like that |
| [03:09:39] | wagnerrp: | and you need to be a lot more accurate with it than ethernet |
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| [03:09:49] | LittleFoot: | umm |
| [03:10:20] | LittleFoot: | well its that or make a buch of home made receivers |
| [03:10:45] | wagnerrp: | not sure what you mean |
| [03:11:11] | LittleFoot: | for the clients |
| [03:11:45] | wagnerrp: | when someone mentiones a receiver, im thinking one of those things with an AV switch and a speaker amp |
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| [03:13:57] | LittleFoot: | oh how would you switch channels with server and clients on one box |
| [03:13:58] | wagnerrp: | in case i was misunderstood, i only mentioned the possibility of running multiple frontends off one computer so i could tell you not to do it... rather than you stumbling upon the possibility on your own and thinking it was a good idea |
| [03:14:20] | LittleFoot: | omg leave me alone im doing it |
| [03:15:23] | [R]: | LittleFoot: the same way you do it when they are on seperate computers, with remote controls |
| [03:15:39] | LittleFoot: | remote all the way to the other rooms |
| [03:15:44] | LittleFoot: | how will it reach? |
| [03:15:55] | [R]: | usb has a rather long cable length doesn't it? |
| [03:15:57] | wagnerrp: | one of the problems with trying to do multiple frontends on a single machine |
| [03:16:02] | wagnerrp: | all of 16 feet |
| [03:16:05] | [R]: | haha |
| [03:16:08] | neufeld_AFK: | LittleFoot: how expensive is a 5-year old box from a computer recyclers store? Toss in a $60 video card, and you've got a separate frontend computer, and you don't have to try to run two physical television sets from a single computer. |
| [03:16:10] | LittleFoot: | lol |
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| [03:16:38] | LittleFoot: | yeah but having a bunch of crappy comps around is not good |
| [03:16:49] | wagnerrp: | so have a bunch of decent computers instead |
| [03:16:54] | LittleFoot: | damit |
| [03:17:22] | [R]: | i have a sweet little small thing |
| [03:17:25] | [R]: | it's quite sexy |
| [03:17:26] | [R]: | under my tv |
| [03:17:27] | [R]: | its sleek |
| [03:17:27] | wagnerrp: | you can piece together a decent Pentium, mini-itx board, 4GB of memory, and a small case for $200-$250 |
| [03:17:39] | wagnerrp: | you can do an ION system for about the same |
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| [03:17:45] | LittleFoot: | show me pic |
| [03:17:53] | wagnerrp: | ... although that falls well within the "crappy comp" range |
| [03:18:16] | LittleFoot: | show a mini itx box |
| [03:18:44] | [R]: | antec makes some nice looking htpc boxes |
| [03:18:45] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure |
| [03:19:12] | LittleFoot: | oh its just like receiver |
| [03:19:16] | LittleFoot: | even smaller? |
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| [03:19:24] | [R]: | its a comptuer case that looks sleek and sexy... |
| [03:20:18] | wagnerrp: | you keep saying receiver |
| [03:20:21] | LittleFoot: | why do they always manage to put an ugly front plastic panel |
| [03:20:29] | neufeld: | Don't think of it an as underpowered computer. It's an appliance, a single-purpose device. It has enough computing power to do what you want it to do. Older hardware is sufficient for that, and cheap. Well, cheap here in Ottawa, where the huge number of government desks means that there's a lot of trailing-edge hardware flooding the market all the time. |
| [03:20:36] | LittleFoot: | its all round and 70s |
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| [03:20:37] | wagnerrp: | in the context of home theater, this is a receiver... http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Yamaha+-+500W+5.1 . . . kuId=4566122 |
| [03:21:21] | wagnerrp: | a big piece of 3–5U equipment, with a whole bunch of audio/video inputs, video outputs, and speaker drivers |
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| [03:21:30] | LittleFoot: | why not brushed aluminum with sharp black glass front end with blue lights |
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| [03:22:51] | neufeld: | LittleFoot: my frontend isn't even in the same room. I've punched a small hole in the wall between the theatre and the furnace room. The wires all run through there. I have a real DVD player, so don't use the one on the MythTV box. So, it doesn't look ugly, it looks absent, aside from the little IR receiver for the wireless keyboard. |
| [03:22:53] | LittleFoot: | ahh i c |
| [03:23:29] | LittleFoot: | so i could just get a mini mobo with i3 built in video and lan |
| [03:23:42] | wagnerrp: | i have one frontend sitting in the basement, with wires coming up through the floor |
| [03:24:02] | wagnerrp: | i have another sitting hidden behind a big home theater cabinet |
| [03:24:07] | wagnerrp: | neither can be seen or heard |
| [03:24:21] | wagnerrp: | so it really doesn't matter how ugly they are |
| [03:24:39] | LittleFoot: | i3 with mobo video and lan is all i need rite? |
| [03:25:19] | wagnerrp: | and memory, and power, and a case to put it in, and an IR receiver |
| [03:25:25] | LittleFoot: | yep |
| [03:25:32] | LittleFoot: | oh wait sound |
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| [03:25:38] | LittleFoot: | mobo with sound too |
| [03:25:43] | neufeld: | LittleFoot: you need hardware assist for the video if you've got H.264 sources, so you have to make sure your on-board video isn't too underpowered. |
| [03:25:48] | wagnerrp: | built into the HDMI |
| [03:25:56] | wagnerrp: | audio and video both go over HDMI |
| [03:26:08] | neufeld: | Check the wiki for details of minimum chipsets |
| [03:26:18] | LittleFoot: | which i cpu can do all this? |
| [03:26:32] | wagnerrp: | neufeld: no you dont, any common desktop i3 is plenty powerful for any sensible video you might want to throw at it |
| [03:26:47] | LittleFoot: | thats what i thot too |
| [03:26:48] | wagnerrp: | including bluray |
| [03:27:02] | LittleFoot: | video and sound over hdmi tho? |
| [03:27:07] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:27:10] | LittleFoot: | nice |
| [03:28:25] | LittleFoot: | thats sounds fun |
| [03:28:38] | neufeld: | wagnerrp: really? OK, my 3GHz Intel box gets hopeless tearing without VDPAU, but it's an old desktop I bought for the combined front/back ends. |
| [03:28:41] | LittleFoot: | i could even surf the net w it |
| [03:28:48] | wagnerrp: | is this a 3GHz P4? |
| [03:29:02] | neufeld: | wagnerrp: yes |
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| [03:29:10] | LittleFoot: | yeah p4 is slow |
| [03:29:15] | wagnerrp: | and you think that in any way compares to a 3GHz i3? |
| [03:30:01] | LittleFoot: | im thinking i get the ivy bridge |
| [03:30:05] | LittleFoot: | i3 |
| [03:30:15] | wagnerrp: | remember, this is a good 7–8 years later |
| [03:30:32] | LittleFoot: | since the new arch dwarfs |
| [03:30:43] | wagnerrp: | even though clock rate hasn't gone up, if performance hadn't been going up independently, there would be no reason to ever upgrade |
| [03:31:32] | LittleFoot: | with a mini atx UEFI mobo |
| [03:31:42] | neufeld: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I was still thinking in terms of small, cheap boards to make into diskless frontends, missed the part about the i3 CPU. |
| [03:31:49] | wagnerrp: | mini-itx, or micro-atx |
| [03:31:52] | wagnerrp: | there is no mini-atx |
| [03:32:05] | LittleFoot: | which is smaller |
| [03:32:32] | wagnerrp: | mini-itx is roughly square, with one side little longer than the rear IO panel |
| [03:32:53] | wagnerrp: | micro-atx is going to be maybe 30% taller |
| [03:33:09] | wagnerrp: | basically, mini usually has one expansion slot, micro is going to have 3–4 |
| [03:33:22] | wagnerrp: | while atx might have 7 |
| [03:33:43] | LittleFoot: | ok mini |
| [03:33:55] | LittleFoot: | lets see if there a mobo w all this |
| [03:33:59] | wagnerrp: | mini is smaller, but micro is more common and typically cheaper |
| [03:34:12] | wagnerrp: | economy of volume and all |
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| [03:34:54] | neufeld: | You should decide whether you're going to have local hard drives, or record everything to a NAS. If you want local hard drives, don't go for a case too small to hold enough units for your needs. |
| [03:34:57] | LittleFoot: | what is a good non premium tv tunner card tho |
| [03:35:00] | LittleFoot: | for linux |
| [03:35:14] | wagnerrp: | see that linuxtv link i gave way way back |
| [03:35:26] | LittleFoot: | which is the best? |
| [03:35:46] | neufeld: | Depends on your needs. |
| [03:36:01] | neufeld: | I've got an HDHomerun3, a PVR-500, and an HD-PVR. All do different things. |
| [03:37:01] | LittleFoot: | which one is the pci card |
| [03:37:31] | [R]: | wtf is a "premium" tuner? |
| [03:37:57] | neufeld: | The HDHomerun3 is attached to a UVSJ, and from there to a UHF antenna and a pair of VHF rabbit ears. The PVR-500 is a PCI card, but not for sale anymore because of the digital transition, standard analogue cable goes to it. Something like the 2250 does the job now. The HD-PVR attaches to a high-definition set-top box. |
| [03:39:03] | wagnerrp: | [R]: something from the top shelf |
| [03:39:17] | [R]: | ah... |
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| [03:40:57] | neufeld: | If you want to record only OTA signals, you want an HDHomerun3 and a good antenna. If you have analogue SD cable, you want something like the Hauppauge 2250. If you have digital high-definition cable, it's the HD-PVR in Canada, but in the US there are cablecard and firewire solutions depending on your carrier. |
| [03:41:22] | LittleFoot: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . amp;Tpk=uefi |
| [03:41:26] | LittleFoot: | look at that beast |
| [03:43:38] | LittleFoot: | im so getting |
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| [04:20:05] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [04:20:33] | mattwj2002: | how do you use the qam maps in schedules direct with mythtv? |
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| [04:49:03] | jb_gpk: | Hi! I would like some help with crystalhd |
| [04:50:14] | jb_gpk: | I just put bcm70012 on my laptop and |
| [04:51:11] | [R]: | theres a pending patch for the 70012 still in trac |
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| [04:51:19] | jb_gpk: | built the kernel driver and the libs from the git repo |
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| [04:54:10] | guess086: | but I get errors when executing the examples |
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| [04:55:06] | guess086: | anyone using bcm70012 on laptop? |
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| [04:55:47] | [R]: | [09:50:51] [R] theres a pending patch for the 70012 still in trac |
| [04:56:55] | guess086: | trac? |
| [04:57:22] | [R]: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9971 |
| [04:57:33] | wagnerrp: | #9971 |
| [04:57:33] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9971 ** | |
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| [04:59:51] | bob__: | crikey, I don't think I've ever had this much trouble setting up a piece of software... |
| [05:00:00] | bob__: | anyone around that can teach me an ultra basic task? |
| [05:00:12] | bob__: | I'm trying to stream videos to my new bluray player |
| [05:00:24] | bob__: | so I want to add a directory of videos I already have to mythtv |
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| [05:00:38] | bob__: | I went into mythsetup and added the directory to the videos section of the storage |
| [05:00:48] | bob__: | and everything now tells me to scan for changes |
| [05:00:53] | bob__: | but I can't find this option in any menu anywhere |
| [05:00:57] | wagnerrp: | are you otherwise using mythtv for recording television? |
| [05:01:01] | bob__: | negatory |
| [05:01:13] | wagnerrp: | then try fuppes or mediatomb |
| [05:01:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv refuses to operate if it is not given tuners and channels |
| [05:01:47] | bob__: | ah |
| [05:01:49] | bob__: | well |
| [05:01:56] | bob__: | that explains a few things |
| [05:01:58] | bob__: | thank you |
| [05:02:02] | bob__: | sometimes the best answer is the easiest |
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| [05:16:19] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [05:16:27] | mattwj2002: | qam maps anyone? |
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| [07:22:39] | Sharky112065: | Do I have to install cdrtools 2.01 or can I install 3.0 to use mytharchive? |
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| [13:09:59] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [13:10:07] | pyther: | hi mattwj2002 |
| [13:10:20] | mattwj2002: | how do you use qam mapping? |
| [13:10:29] | mattwj2002: | from schedule direct? |
| [13:10:36] | mattwj2002: | hi pyther |
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| [13:16:56] | hume: | hi... I am in the process of setting up and configuring a new mythtv-backend, and I get an error I cannot understand. I have a raid device mounted at /var/lib/mythtv, the mountpoint is owned by mythtv, recordings and other directories are inside this. When I runt mythtv-setup and try to exit, I get the error "could not create file "/var/lib/mythtv//.test" – any ideas why? |
| [13:17:21] | hume: | I can watch live TV and watch the recordings stored in the dir /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [13:17:34] | pyther: | hume: likely a file permission error |
| [13:17:46] | pyther: | what user are you running mythtv-setup as, what are the permissions on the folder/dir |
| [13:17:49] | hume: | pyther, yes – but where? |
| [13:18:19] | hume: | both /var/lib/mythtv and /var/lib/mythtv/recordings are owned by mythtvv – isn't that right? |
| [13:18:48] | hume: | is it something to do with this being a device mounted there? recall having some troubles with that some time before but not how |
| [13:19:33] | hume: | the error should be "could not create "/var/lib/mythtv/recordings//.test"" |
| [13:20:49] | pyther: | what user are you launching mythtv as? |
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| [13:21:42] | hume: | pyther, eh... backend runs sudo (Ubuntu 12.04) |
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| [13:22:25] | hume: | sudo mythtv-setup, i mean. and for the backend – mythtv |
| [13:23:42] | pyther: | if you are running mythtv-setup as root, it should be able to create the file, can you manually create that file as root? |
| [13:23:43] | hume: | and I can record.... I just cannot make sense of this |
| [13:23:45] | mattwj2002: | qam mappings anyways |
| [13:23:53] | mattwj2002: | *anyone |
| [13:24:01] | pyther: | mattwj2002: have no idea what qam mappings are, so I can't help you, sorry |
| [13:24:10] | mattwj2002: | no problem |
| [13:24:53] | hume: | yes, I can create it with sudo nano, for instance |
| [13:24:59] | hume: | in /var(lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [13:25:16] | pyther: | but its trying to write here: /var/lib/mythtv//.test |
| [13:25:29] | hume: | pyther, yes, why does it look like that? |
| [13:25:45] | pyther: | the extra slash? |
| [13:25:51] | hume: | no, that was wrong – /var/lib/mythtv/recordings//.test |
| [13:25:58] | hume: | yes, why the extra slash?' |
| [13:27:14] | pyther: | way things are being parsed, nothing to worry about, it works just fine |
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| [13:44:34] | hume: | ok, another question: I cannot get mythweb up and running. The package is installed on the server, ubuntu package. but I cannot access it through the web browser. what permissions should I check? |
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| [14:14:22] | hume: | anyone got any idea? I've installed mythweb as an ubuntu package, but cannot access it at al – not locally, not over the LAN. I get "I don't have permission to access //mythweb/ on this server" |
| [14:30:12] | Hydr0p0nX: | sounds like you have an acl configured |
| [14:31:33] | hume: | Hydr0p0nX, a brand new installation – where do I check the acl? I have one other web based thing on the server, and that is phpmyadmin, that works nicely |
| [14:34:51] | Hydr0p0nX: | you'll need to look at the httpd conf |
| [14:35:05] | Hydr0p0nX: | have you checked the logs yet ? |
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| [14:35:30] | hume: | no, not checked logs ... /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is an empty file |
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| [14:39:27] | hume: | error.log says: [Sat Oct 13 16:36:17 2012] [crit] [client 192.168.1.3] (13)Permission denied: /var/www/mythweb/.htaccess pcfg_openfile: unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable |
| [14:42:10] | hume: | and the /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/.htaccess is a symlink to /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess that does not exist..... |
| [14:43:22] | hume: | so – should I create a .htaccess in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb? and if so, what should be in it? |
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| [14:57:24] | Hydr0p0nX: | let me check |
| [14:58:06] | hume: | now it works..:) |
| [14:59:30] | hume: | the dir /etc/mythv had 700 in permissions, I changed to 775 and now it works |
| [14:59:33] | hume: | :) |
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| [16:46:43] | pyther: | What table should contain guide data? |
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| [16:58:52] | pyther: | justinh: Thanks for helping yesterday. If you recall, the logs looked like everything was successful, even though it wasn't. I discoverd, through the help of google that /tmp/mythtv_ddp_data existed and was owned by my user, and not the mythtv user. Therefore, when the backend tried to run mythfilldatabase, it wouldn't be able to over write that file |
| [16:59:03] | pyther: | Removing that file fixed my problems |
| [16:59:25] | pyther: | Now the question to ask, unrelated to myth, is why is /tmp not being cleared on reboots |
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| [17:44:13] | wizbit: | grrrr |
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| [17:44:39] | wizbit: | i keep on getting stuck: Currently Recording:Edit in mythweb |
| [17:44:48] | wizbit: | nothing is being recorded |
| [17:45:14] | wizbit: | i mean, the recording was from yesterday, but mythweb shows its still being recorded |
| [17:45:17] | wizbit: | its stuck |
| [17:45:59] | wizbit: | the stuck recordings are coming from the same recordings group: |
| [17:46:00] | wizbit: | Recording Group:TVWish |
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| [18:32:33] | j_v: | Extremely frustrated with trying to get channel data sorted out. Does anyone know of howto's for setting up the xmlid's for Schedule Direct and TimeWarner that might work when not using a stb or cable card? |
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| [18:33:38] | [R]: | hwoto? |
| [18:33:43] | [R]: | the website tells you what the xmltvid is... |
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| [18:37:14] | j_v: | none of the lineup reports match the channels found by scan. a few channels, yes. 7 out of a few hundred (estimate). |
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| [18:47:04] | pyther: | [R]: Thanks for your help yesterday. Problem ended up being that /tmp/mythtv_ddp_data was owned by my user (and not hte myth user). As a result it the run of mythfilldatabase seemed to run ok, but I don't think the data actually got into the db. Removing it caused everything to work as expected. |
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| [19:28:00] | scopeuk: | good evening all, i'm trying to do a channel update on 0.25 from channels.conf, the channels are found by the scanner fine and the setup terminal window shows " adding them" but they are not visable in the channel editor |
| [19:28:09] | scopeuk: | is there a known workarroudn or fix, my searchign has turned up very little |
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| [19:33:52] | scopeuk: | the internal scanner is not an option as between it and my dvb tunner there is some issue or other that prevents the scanner detecting any channels |
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| [19:35:49] | scopeuk: | if this issue is fixed in .26 i'm not averse to upgrading |
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| [20:49:20] | scopeuk: | upgrading to .26 and then preforming a scan of a single known transponder appears to have made scan all known transponders work |
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| [20:58:53] | scopeuk: | got it workign guys |
| [20:58:58] | scopeuk: | thanks for the help |
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| [21:02:45] | messerting: | Hi, I'm running 0.26-fixes from git, and my frontend is stuck at "Bonjour: De-registering service '_airplay._tcp.' on 'MythTV1 on myhostname'" when I exit. Known problem? |
| [21:03:55] | messerting: | Is there a way to disable bonjour at runtime? If not, how do I configure mythfrontend not to use it when I compile? |
| [21:05:00] | [R]: | you could try disablign upnp |
| [21:06:05] | messerting: | [R]: Ok, --noupnp, will try, thanks |
| [21:08:09] | messerting: | [R]: Hm, doesn't work – Bonjour is enabled even though I pass --noupnp to mythfrontend. |
| [21:08:40] | messerting: | (I am not running any firewall on that frontend) |
| [21:11:48] | messerting: | My other frontend doesn't initialize bonjour at all. And I don't have any Macintosh products in my house, so – can I disable it during compilation? |
| [21:12:19] | [R]: | no clue |
| [21:12:52] | messerting: | Found it!: --disable-libdns-sd |
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| [21:36:42] | justinh: | Scopeuk-AFK: in the UK there's NO way you need to import a channels.conf EVER |
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| [21:41:15] | justinh: | then again I once had problems with a USB tuner I used on a testing backend. It didn't like the autoscan at all – offsets didn't seem to work with it – but doing a full (tuned) scan hit every time :-) |
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| [22:09:23] | whyzzyrd: | evening, I've been trying to work out what causes PSIP CRC errors (running in -v all just now). The signal strength is reasonable enough. |
| [22:11:59] | justinh: | it's often more about signal *quality*. femon is handy for checking that |
| [22:12:20] | justinh: | hope for zero UNC, as low a BER number as possible |
| [22:13:01] | messerting: | Shot in the dark, but I've had similar problems, and am looking at this patch (not tested by me yet): http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket . . . -on-ob.patch |
| [22:16:59] | whyzzyrd: | the signal quality is pretty good though.. |
| [22:18:07] | messerting: | I'm getting status SCVYL | signal 89% | snr 96% | ber 0 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK (femon -H) |
| [22:18:15] | messerting: | That should be okay, right? |
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| [22:26:44] | whyzzyrd: | I've signal 54%, snr 78%, ber 0, unc 0 |
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| [22:28:25] | whyzzyrd: | and a lot of "PESPacket: Failed CRC check 0xd9a3c846 != 0x3afd2b57" with obviously different hex on either side |
| [22:29:36] | whyzzyrd: | and a lot of "PSIPTable: Failed CRC check 0x0 != 0x1471829f". Which smells something like that patch, but then 0xffffffff wouldn't match either.. |
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| [22:31:51] | whyzzyrd: | I'm actually trying to work out why after a few days the EPG fails on some channels, and nothing fixes it except a reboot. |
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| [23:31:21] | Some_Person: | Offtopic, but does anyone know of a good program for *watching*, not recording, live TV from the composite input? |
| [23:31:36] | wagnerrp_: | tvtime |
| [23:33:07] | Some_Person: | I'm having trouble getting tvtime to work: https://goput.it/vya.png |
| [23:33:22] | Some_Person: | (video1 is my tv tuner) |
| [23:33:34] | wagnerrp_: | what is your tv tuner? |
| [23:33:50] | Some_Person: | Hauppauge HVR-1950 |
| [23:34:03] | wagnerrp_: | you'll need to use something like mplayer then |
| [23:34:08] | wagnerrp_: | tvtime only does framegrabbers |
| [23:34:41] | Some_Person: | Can you help me get mplayer to work? |
| [23:35:23] | wagnerrp_: | should just be 'mplayer /dev/video1', or something like that |
| [23:35:44] | Some_Person: | then how do I set it to my composite input? |
| [23:35:48] | Some_Person: | I get a black screen |
| [23:35:53] | wagnerrp_: | use v4l2ctl to set the input |
| [23:36:13] | [R]: | you can do -tv |
| [23:36:15] | [R]: | and give it parameters |
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| [23:40:51] | Some_Person: | hmm, not really having any luck |
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| [23:45:12] | Some_Person: | just getting a black screen and static audio |
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