| Monday, October 8th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
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| [00:27:06] | skd5aner: | arg... really frustrating... |
| [00:27:57] | skd5aner: | anyone have any ideas? Hard to describe what I'm seeing... it's like a constant stutter |
| [00:28:33] | skd5aner: | myth is completely unusable for me right now, more than half of my recordings come from my hdpvr |
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| [00:42:37] | jvcleave: | what would cause mythcommflag rebuild to fail? getting error 136 |
| [00:54:20] | skd5aner: | I think it's trying to delinterlace progressive content??! |
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| [01:35:53] | BurnOut: | anyone running Silicondust HDHomerun Dual ? |
| [01:36:03] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [01:36:28] | BurnOut: | what are you running for you master backend ? |
| [01:36:41] | BurnOut: | I'm struggling with what to use |
| [01:36:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv |
| [01:36:56] | BurnOut: | hardware .... |
| [01:37:05] | wagnerrp: | Phenom II X2 |
| [01:37:29] | [R]: | lol |
| [01:37:50] | jvcleave: | answering my own question for the record "error 136" caused by incorrect starttime format |
| [01:37:52] | wagnerrp: | 4GB of memory (not enough), Areca 12-port RAID card, ~10TB storage |
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| [01:42:34] | BurnOut: | wagnerrp what part is causing grief with the memory ? |
| [01:42:41] | wagnerrp: | ZFS |
| [01:44:24] | BurnOut: | hmmmm :-( |
| [01:44:44] | wagnerrp: | if you've never used ZFS, it eats up every last bit of memory you have |
| [01:47:02] | BurnOut: | right now I'm running master on thinkpad t42 with 2 GB, slave backend doing commercial flagging and transcoding |
| [01:47:16] | wagnerrp: | what is the slave backend? |
| [01:47:42] | BurnOut: | wondering if I have enough cpu to handle (dual quad core with 10GB of ram |
| [01:48:55] | wagnerrp: | surely any machine with 10GB of memory is more capable than a pre-lenovo thinkpad |
| [01:49:46] | BurnOut: | yes.. but that is my primary work machine, which means it periodically disappears with me for prolonged periods of time |
| [01:50:16] | wagnerrp: | so it's another laptop... |
| [01:50:27] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking it was some sort of desktop |
| [01:50:57] | BurnOut: | yes.. only desktop in the house is a p4 with 4 GB |
| [01:51:14] | BurnOut: | which is 6–8 years old |
| [01:51:29] | wagnerrp: | the T42 is about the same though |
| [01:51:54] | BurnOut: | right .. and much, much quieter |
| [01:52:08] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [01:52:58] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i would spend ~$200-$250 replacing the guts of that desktop, make it the master backend, and leave the laptop to do laptop-type things |
| [01:53:10] | BurnOut: | debating buying a compact desktop (lenovo Idea Q series or Asus eebox) |
| [01:53:28] | BurnOut: | but that means going to an Arm chip |
| [01:53:43] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe either of those use ARMs |
| [01:53:57] | wagnerrp: | and you dont want to use an ARM for a backend |
| [01:54:16] | wagnerrp: | although to be fair, you dont want to use the Atoms (or low power Celerons) in those machines either |
| [01:54:30] | wagnerrp: | is there any reason you require a quiet, compact backend? |
| [01:54:46] | wagnerrp: | no basement, or closet with ventilation, you can stuff this thing in? |
| [01:55:54] | BurnOut: | on a slab, desk top is in my home office which already has enough noise with the rack mount Cisco Catalyst I use for my network hub |
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| [01:57:01] | wagnerrp: | any halfway modern desktop is going to be inaudible over the multi-staged 40mm fans you find in 1U equipment |
| [01:57:04] | BurnOut: | eeebox 1503 -> Intel® Atom™ Cedar Trail Dual Core CPU |
| [01:57:36] | wagnerrp: | what's in the T42? what speed is that pentium? |
| [01:58:12] | wagnerrp: | chances are decent either are a better prospect for a backend than that Atom |
| [01:59:46] | BurnOut: | 1.6Ghz – capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe up bts est tm2 cpufreq |
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| [02:00:26] | wagnerrp: | this is the T42? so that's actually a Pentium-M? |
| [02:00:33] | wagnerrp: | what about the P4 in the desktop? |
| [02:01:14] | BurnOut: | dual core .. 1.4Ghz |
| [02:01:37] | wagnerrp: | no such P4 made |
| [02:01:42] | BurnOut: | idea 1 – Intel Atom Processor D2700( 2.13GHz – 1M cache |
| [02:02:00] | wagnerrp: | the Atom is... a piece of garbage |
| [02:02:06] | BurnOut: | I'll have to go bring it up to check then.. know for sure it has 2 cpus |
| [02:02:25] | BurnOut: | back in a couple |
| [02:02:29] | wagnerrp: | in terms of single threaded performance, that 1.6GHz P-M in the laptop will run circles around it |
| [02:02:53] | wagnerrp: | and the backend really has little use for multi-threaded operation |
| [02:03:21] | wagnerrp: | besides commercial flagging and transcoding through the jobqueue, the one biggie for the backend is the scheduler |
| [02:03:25] | wagnerrp: | and the scheduler is single threaded |
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| [02:15:41] | wagnerrp: | holy hell... some guy lost all his recordings because of a 937GB log file |
| [02:16:38] | BurnOut: | P4 is 2 cpu 3.2Gh .. but currently only 1Gb of ram |
| [02:16:59] | wagnerrp: | they never made any dual core P4s |
| [02:17:13] | wagnerrp: | they made dual core netburst chips, but technically those were Pentium-Ds |
| [02:17:49] | BurnOut: | it boots through a P4 splash screen, both linux and XP show 2 cpus in the perf monitors |
| [02:17:53] | wagnerrp: | and technically they weren't dual core either, they were a pair of netburst cores on an MCM |
| [02:18:03] | wagnerrp: | multi-threaded, not multi-core |
| [02:18:34] | BurnOut: | ok.. I just go by what i see .. unix software guy .. not much on hardware |
| [02:18:53] | wagnerrp: | ever heard of hyperthreading? |
| [02:19:08] | wagnerrp: | or symmetric multithreading? |
| [02:19:55] | wagnerrp: | IBM and Sun call it symmetric multithreading (SMT), Intel calls it hyperthreading (HT) |
| [02:20:24] | wagnerrp: | its a bit of magic in the instruction decoder that allows the CPU to stuff work from more than one application down the pipeline simultaneously |
| [02:20:36] | wagnerrp: | in an effort to prevent pipeline stalls |
| [02:21:14] | wagnerrp: | due to lack of a better way to display it to the user, it is presented as two independent cores |
| [02:21:40] | wagnerrp: | but in practice, on the P4, it would achieve the performance of anywhere between 0.8 – 1.4 cores |
| [02:23:14] | BurnOut: | thanks for the explanation |
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| [03:57:12] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: how does a log file get that large? |
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| [04:13:40] | jpabq: | skd5aner, I believe it is due to a ffmpeg sync. It is very intolerant of damage now. Try saving your position, and then restarting playback (after the damage). |
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| [06:15:01] | daggs1: | hello, I just want to make sure that mythtv has all I need, I want to setup a media center that will play my local movies (including mkv of hd and fuh), play my audio, able to show me my pics and the ability to watch live streams from specific sites which uses flash. also from what I understand, I can use my igp to offload the decoding using the vaapi feature in my i7, am I right? |
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| [06:32:45] | Tobbe5178: | daggs1: sounds right yes |
| [06:33:50] | Tobbe5178: | but i'm using myth primarily for recording stuff, the other things is more of a bonus to me |
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| [07:30:58] | daggs1: | Tobbe5178, I need the opposite, I don't need recording. |
| [07:31:12] | daggs1: | btw, how do you run it? with that DE? |
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| [09:13:00] | peitolm_: | how do i fireoff a lookup metadata job for all recordings of a specific title? is that possible? |
| [09:24:28] | IReboot: | peitolm_: For Mythtv v0.25 and higher the mythmetadatalookup utility performs looks at all of your recordings with an inetref and missing artwork but not just of a specific title. After that manual lookups for MythVideo entries with the "w" key. |
| [09:25:50] | peitolm_: | hmm, i don't want a refresh-all, but don't want to find all of the starttimes manually |
| [09:27:19] | IReboot: | peitolm_: Find all the starttimes? Not sure what how that is relevant. Also refresh-all is no big deal I have MythTV do that once a day, everyday. |
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| [09:28:59] | IReboot: | peitolm_: You can automate the mythmetadatalookup using MythTV settings (see the Wiki) or is the run time needs to be specific then use a crontab job. |
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| [09:29:22] | IReboot: | s/or is/or if/ |
| [09:30:30] | IReboot: | brb |
| [09:30:41] | peitolm_: | it's a deal, because I don't want to submit all my recordings :P |
| [09:30:58] | peitolm_: | I just want to get the episode numbers for mythbusters |
| [09:31:58] | peitolm_: | (i'm aware it's not a big deal, and certainly not a big deal for everyone, but some people want more control than 'all') |
| [09:32:28] | IReboot: | peitolm_: Then I think you are down to manual methods, but if this is for one TV series it may not be too bad. |
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| [09:34:58] | peitolm_: | 121 recordings :) |
| [09:35:08] | peitolm_: | i was just hoping there was a quicker way |
| [09:35:16] | ** peitolm_ goes to fix the schedule to do the lookup ** | |
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| [18:12:24] | wagnerrp: | boo monkeypet |
| [18:12:53] | wagnerrp: | disrupting my vendetta against virtual machines... |
| [18:12:54] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [18:21:05] | skd5aner: | jpabq: yea, I've tried that and it only works about 5% of the time... is the issue being addressed? |
| [18:36:06] | skd5aner: | jpabq: I submitted a ticket – #11159 |
| [18:36:06] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11159 ** | |
| [18:36:32] | skd5aner: | I wanted so badly to set the severity and priority higher, but I didn't want to brake the rules |
| [18:37:19] | skd5aner: | My wife is going to kill me if I can't come up with a resolution quickly |
| [18:38:06] | wagnerrp: | that's both software and hardware decoding? |
| [18:38:35] | wagnerrp: | ffmpeg changes should make no difference to vdpau performance |
| [18:39:20] | lautriv: | anyone using hid_mapper for remotes recognised as HID device ? |
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| [18:50:47] | darkdrgn2k: | Hey guys |
| [18:50:59] | darkdrgn2k: | is ther any hope that mythtv will ever be ported to android as a front end? |
| [18:51:36] | wagnerrp: | someone needs to write hardware decoder support before it's worthwhile |
| [18:52:15] | wagnerrp: | there is yet to be an ARM released that can manage broadcast HD video decoding in software |
| [18:52:42] | lautriv: | darkdrgn2k, that would be the worst version ever. |
| [18:52:57] | darkdrgn2k: | :-S dam.. that sux... |
| [18:53:09] | darkdrgn2k: | heard xbmc has somethig up their sleaves |
| [18:53:34] | darkdrgn2k: | but it be cool to get like a android pen stck it in a tv and have Myth on it |
| [18:53:53] | wagnerrp: | at least as far as smartphones are concerned, you're better off with some fancy webpage |
| [18:53:57] | lautriv: | darkdrgn2k, android runs in a customized JVM and does not even care about hardfloat. |
| [18:53:58] | stuartm: | you wouldn't really need android for that |
| [18:54:28] | wagnerrp: | from my understanding, you don't have to write your code in pseudo-java |
| [18:54:33] | wagnerrp: | you can use compiled c/c++ |
| [18:54:41] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh android does have native c.. |
| [18:54:45] | darkdrgn2k: | of some sort |
| [18:55:14] | wagnerrp: | and the soft floats is because some hardware android runs on simply doesnt have hardware floating point units |
| [18:55:28] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: exactly, and that's what I'd like to work on, finishing the built-in webserver stuff with all the functionality now in mythweb (drop mythweb) and create a nice HTML5 phone friendly UI |
| [18:55:34] | lautriv: | but there is no glibc |
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| [19:06:14] | darkdrgn2k: | to bed mythweb's streaming didnt really do that well |
| [19:07:45] | lautriv: | darkdrgn2k, what phone ? |
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| [19:12:01] | darkdrgn2k: | galaxy 3s |
| [19:12:16] | wizbit: | i wonder what bluray drive out of this lot will allow me to flash the firmware |
| [19:12:19] | wizbit: | http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&sort= . . . rsubcat=2111 |
| [19:12:49] | lautriv: | darkdrgn2k, should do the job, i use MxPlayer on a Note and it's smooth. |
| [19:13:02] | darkdrgn2k: | upnp? |
| [19:14:06] | wizbit: | LG v Pioneer |
| [19:14:36] | lautriv: | wizbit, BD is a caveat |
| [19:15:08] | wizbit: | ? |
| [19:16:14] | lautriv: | wizbit, BD was invented and market-forced by sony buut they don't get to the masses. |
| [19:16:35] | wagnerrp: | get to the masses? |
| [19:17:08] | wizbit: | at the end of the day, i will only rip blurays, never play directly from the disc |
| [19:17:16] | wizbit: | so i dont really need a player what needs to be flashed |
| [19:17:21] | lautriv: | expensive media, unreliable. |
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| [19:17:35] | wizbit: | i will rip my own movies using makemkv |
| [19:17:38] | wagnerrp: | less reliable than HDDVD? |
| [19:17:54] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, soon. |
| [19:17:57] | smoothifier: | hi, i think an update broke my mythbackend. i have the log pasted here if anyone can help :) http://pastebin.com/0gspCpTy |
| [19:18:22] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what that is supposed to mean |
| [19:18:31] | smoothifier: | it doesn't exit with systemctl stop mythbackend.service |
| [19:19:02] | wizbit: | smoothifier: i know what its like to have a broken backend :( |
| [19:19:44] | lautriv: | smoothifier, check /etc/mythtv/config.xml |
| [19:19:56] | smoothifier: | ok will do |
| [19:20:57] | smoothifier: | it's a link to /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml and for some reason, it's blank |
| [19:21:13] | smoothifier: | i thought it was populated before |
| [19:21:21] | lautriv: | smoothifier, happens sometimes on update |
| [19:21:36] | smoothifier: | will it autogenerate? |
| [19:21:53] | lautriv: | no backup around ? |
| [19:22:01] | smoothifier: | hmm um. perhaps |
| [19:22:11] | smoothifier: | well... i have a full backup |
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| [19:23:53] | wizbit: | i do not need to ever record bluray discs |
| [19:23:55] | wizbit: | so maybe this |
| [19:23:55] | wizbit: | http://www.ebuyer.com/339402-liteon-ihos104-s . . . m-ihos104-06 |
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| [19:24:43] | wizbit: | the thought of writing data onto a bluray disc makes me shudder |
| [19:25:39] | lautriv: | smoothifier, this is default --> http://pastebin.com/8x0YX5LY replace PASSWORD in line 7 |
| [19:26:41] | smoothifier: | just did a find / -name config.xml and there is one in the docs directory |
| [19:26:51] | smoothifier: | lautriv: thanks :) |
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| [19:30:01] | smoothifier: | cool just rebooting and crossing fingers :) |
| [19:31:14] | lautriv: | smoothifier, rebooting is only for kernel-changes and winblows users ;) |
| [19:32:06] | ServerSage: | Oh if only that were really true. |
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| [19:33:15] | wagnerrp: | and IO deadlocks |
| [19:33:25] | lautriv: | ok |
| [19:34:01] | smoothifier: | wellm my mythbackend.service had totally locked up when i tried to stop it so... :) |
| [19:34:17] | smoothifier: | all better now, thanks :) |
| [19:34:24] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a zombie from an io deadlock |
| [19:35:09] | smoothifier: | yes, the reboot hung for about 3 minutes before giving up |
| [19:35:48] | smoothifier: | anywyay, not sure how that file got truncated, but i made a backup for next time |
| [19:35:55] | lautriv: | users of diskless frontends may be interessted in the kernel's change as of 3.6 which now supports swap over NFS. |
| [19:36:34] | wagnerrp: | there's no way to "support" swap over NFS |
| [19:36:46] | smoothifier: | as in a networked swap file? seems dangerous |
| [19:37:02] | wagnerrp: | right now, the kernel doesn't support it in the same manner ls cannot delete / |
| [19:37:14] | wagnerrp: | it's not that it's incapable, it's that it refuses to do so |
| [19:37:21] | wagnerrp: | its dangerous |
| [19:37:30] | wagnerrp: | if the network drops, so does all your swapped memory |
| [19:37:50] | wagnerrp: | it's like giving a computer a lobotomy |
| [19:38:17] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, former NFS had issues on using a swapfile on NFS, not longer the case. and while the root is also on NFS the risk is not higher than before. |
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| [19:39:17] | wagnerrp: | if it's root, you still have the whole kernel and all running applications in memory, plus everything in disk cache |
| [19:39:36] | wagnerrp: | it's not a fatal issue, and you can continue running indefinitely until the server comes back online |
| [19:39:50] | wagnerrp: | losing swap is far far more serious than losing the root filesystem |
| [19:41:09] | lautriv: | now these days the use of swap is rather seldom . but i prefer to have one ( even on machines with 64G ) because better slowdown than sorry. |
| [19:41:30] | Sharky112065: | so im unclear as to why there is a logging server running now? I noticed verry little in the log file that it generates... yet all the other log files are still there. |
| [19:41:53] | Sharky112065: | I just don't understand why it was/is needed |
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| [19:42:06] | wagnerrp: | Sharky112065: it's so that if something crashes hard, while logging heavily, you dont lose all those in-flight logs |
| [19:42:27] | wagnerrp: | it's a measure to make more up-to-date logs when trying to debug an issue |
| [19:42:34] | Sharky112065: | ah ok.. thanks wagnerrp |
| [19:43:07] | wagnerrp: | stuff that was logged but hasnt yet made it to file isn't lost |
| [19:43:15] | Sharky112065: | I noticed you have to kill it. When I stopped the backend it keeps on running |
| [19:43:37] | wagnerrp: | it should terminate automatically five seconds after all clients have disconnected |
| [19:43:57] | darkdrgn2k: | oh aya .26 came out... |
| [19:44:02] | Sharky112065: | hmm then there must be a bug then |
| [19:44:09] | darkdrgn2k: | looks like i finally get to mvoe away from trunk :) |
| [19:44:50] | Sharky112065: | I have a show recording right now, but I can stop the front end and then the backend and see if it terminates the loggserver |
| [19:44:59] | Sharky112065: | after 5 seconds or more |
| [19:45:25] | Sharky112065: | Im pretty sure it did not. Im not that quick to kill it :P |
| [19:46:34] | Sharky112065: | wagnerrp: is it possible that the front end in the living room that is suspended to ram could be the reason it does not terminate? |
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| [19:47:18] | wagnerrp: | no, the log server is local to each machine, and there is an active heartbeat is must receive |
| [19:47:33] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: interesting thought, what will happen if you suspend a machine? |
| [19:48:04] | wagnerrp: | when the log server comes back up, it will notice it has been more than five seconds with no heartbeat, and should terminate, even though there is still an active frontend trying to use it |
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| [20:15:28] | Sharky112065: | forgot commflag runs after it. Ill do it after the commflaging is done on that show |
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| [21:16:58] | Sharky112065: | wagnerrp: ok the log server does stop, but after waiting 3 minutes I went off to do something because the process was still running. at the 10 minut mark(from when all myth services were stopped) I checked again and the log server had finally stopped. so it is not 5 seconds. Maybe it is 5 minutes. |
| [21:17:45] | Sharky112065: | wagnerrp: im off to go watch some shows. bbl |
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| [21:38:51] | bill6502: | Sharky112065: It is 5 minutes: loggingserver.cpp:1234 (expireClients) – Starting 5min shutdown timer |
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