Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012, 00:01 UTC

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jedix:

yeah, it was a joke

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jedix:

and I thought you could look at ios6 until the mac one was done

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Oleg_:

why did it compile as a dirty version: MythTV Version : v0.26.0-2-ga49c750-dirty? I only made one change in the source code of freebsd's base system and that's it

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Oleg_:

I made no changes to the source code of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

Oleg_: honestly, not worth worrying about

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Oleg_:

well, it's just that I don't wanna have problems when I run "git pull" in the future

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Oleg_:

git doesn't like dirty versions

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wagnerrp:

git doesn't care, unless you're changing a file that got updated upstream

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Oleg_:

ok

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skd5aner:

0.26 is going to solve all my problems existig mythtv problems right? riiiiiigggghtttT?

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skd5aner:

because, it's been acting like a b**** lately

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Oleg_:

MySQL time zone support is missing. Please install it and try again. See 'mysql_tzinfo_to_sql' for assistance.

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Oleg_:

what command should I run to fix this issue?

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Oleg_:

maybe I should run mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql?

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sphery:

when in doubt wiki

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Special%3ASe . . . rt&go=Go

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** sphery guesses Oleg_ can't go wrong with those results **

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sphery:

(as both have the info he needs)

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sphery:

skd5aner: get better soon--sounds like you should be in bed with mythtv playing in the background rather than reading mythtv IRC

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Oleg_:

sphery, yep. running just one command fixed the issue

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skd5aner:

sphery: heh – thanks man... must get TV in bedroom soon

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sphery:

skd5aner: hehe, don't have a laptop or anything with mythtv frontend in the interim? :)

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skd5aner:

couching it right now

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sphery:

anyway, do get well

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sphery:

ah, that will work

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sphery:

I'll let you get back to recuperating

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sphery:

Oleg_: glad you got it

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skd5aner:

wife is sick, baby is sick... it's not a fun time at our house :(

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

happens that way a lot, though--once one gets sick. the others tend to get it, too

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skd5aner:

serial sickness – sucks... parallel sicknes – should be illegal

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Oleg_:

why should I manually enter the ip address of my hdhomerun device?

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sphery:

you shouldn't?

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sphery:

you should tell it to find your HDHRs

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sphery:

why do you think you should manually enter the IPs?

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sphery:

Oleg_: ^^^

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Oleg_:

When I go to Capture Cards -> New capture card -> Capture Card Setup, I see HdHomerun DTV tuner box next to Card type

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Oleg_:

but it doesn't report the device id, ip address, and etc.

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Oleg_:

so, I manually entered the ip address

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Oleg_:

and when I was scanning for channels, I got these errors:

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Oleg_:

2012-10–02 20:43:40.213034 E HDHRSH(101.114.0.46-): Set request failed

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Oleg_:

eno: Resource temporarily unavailable (35)

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sphery:

TTBOMK, it should find it unless your network configuration isn't right (i.e. it's blocking multicast or soemthing)

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sphery:

but I don't know HDHR, so I'll leave you for someone who has experience with it

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sphery:

didn't you already have a MythTV setup, though?

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sphery:

if so, you should just use the same database

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sphery:

and it will use the already-configured cards

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Oleg_:

well, I didn't use mythtv for a couple of months and my setup was slightly different. My modem was set to the bridge mode and the hdhomerun device was connected to the dlink-655 router. But now it's connected to the built-in router of the modem

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Oleg_:

hmm... my comp has this ip: 192.168.1.47, but the homerun device was assigned this weird ip: 101.114.0.46

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Oleg_:

maybe I should reset the modem to the bridge mode and reconnect the dlink router

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sphery:

yeah, that's probably the problem... it seems your network(s) need fixing

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Oleg_:

'cause that setup worked for me in the past

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Oleg_:

okay, now I am getting this:

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Oleg_:

2012-10–02 21:20:46.626763 E VideoOutput: Not compiled with any useable video output method.

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Oleg_:

but I did compile it with vdpau

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Oleg_:

and I enabled "vdpau high quality" in the settings

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Oleg_:

so, what causes this problem?

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mattwj2002:

59 programs, using 157 GB (2 days 4 hrs 35 mins) out of 1.8 TB (1.5 TB free).

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

hey I have a question

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mattwj2002:

do f connector terminals help on a splitter?

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mattwj2002:

*f terminal connectors

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mattwj2002:

grr

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mattwj2002:

one second

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mattwj2002:

F Type 75 Ohm Terminator

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mattwj2002:

http://amzn.com/B000AAN76Y

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mattwj2002:

does that help with signal loss?

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mattwj2002:

anyone here?

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Oleg_:

well, I haven't upgraded mythplugins

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mattwj2002:

hi Oleg_

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Oleg_:

maybe that's what causes this problem

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mattwj2002:

there is life here \:D/

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Oleg_:

mattwj2002, hi

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mattwj2002:

do you think those terminators will help?

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mattwj2002:

have you had any experience with those?

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Oleg_:

no

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mattwj2002:

no experience or no it won't help?

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Oleg_:

no experience with this

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mattwj2002:

ok

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neufeld_AFK:

mattwj2002: terminators are used to prevent signal bounces from introducing interference in the form of phase-lagged signals. They are intended to absorb the incident power rather than letting it hit the infinite impedance open terminal and reflect. If you have a splitter with open terminals, it might help to put in a terminator. Is that your case?

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mattwj2002:

yeah neufeld

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mattwj2002:

oops

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mattwj2002:

yeah neufeld_AFD

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mattwj2002:

I have a big amplied splitter and I was thinking this would help with signal loss

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mattwj2002:

does it really work?

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neufeld:

mattwj2002: the amplifier is ahead of the splitter, and is unidirectional. You're using this as an inline amp, using one input and only one of the outputs. I doubt that any signal issues you're having would be alleviated by putting a terminator on any unused output terminals... after the amplifier, if your signal isn't robust enough to handle that, then I'd be surprised.

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mattwj2002:

neufeld

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mattwj2002:

it is all in one

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mattwj2002:

one moment please

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Oleg_:

ok, now I am having another problem. When I try to watch live tv, mythfrontend crashes with this error:

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Oleg_:

2012-10–02 21:53:58.678640 E RecBase(1:192.168.0.199–0): SetStrOption(...recordingtype): Option not in profile.

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Oleg_:

Handling Bus error: 10

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Oleg_:

Bus error (core dumped)

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neufeld:

Right, but the amplifier will be ahead of the splitter. That is, first it amplifies, then it splits. It doesn't split first, then stick each split output onto a separate amplifier. The amplifier is unidirectional, so you won't feed reflections back down the input line.

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mattwj2002:

http://amzn.com/B000WDR94U

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mattwj2002:

it is bidirectional

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mattwj2002:

at least some ports are

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mattwj2002:

because you can use it with a cable modem

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mattwj2002:

I all ready ordered the terminals

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mattwj2002:

should I screw them in?

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, could you please help me?

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neufeld:

mattwj2002: adding the terminators won't cause problems. A terminator "looks" just like a television set on the end of a cable, so if the box is intended to work with that many ports in use, terminators are perfectly good loads to use.

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mattwj2002:

thank you neufeld

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mattwj2002:

:)

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neufeld:

mattwj2002: I thought you were trying to use this for a digital antenna. If this is for a cable feed, you shouldn't be having signal strength issues under normal circumstances.

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mattwj2002:

that is what happens when you have two hdhomeruns and two tvs

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

for them most part I am not

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mattwj2002:

but last night NBC was breaking up on me a litle

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mattwj2002:

during Revolution :(

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Oleg_:

Revolution is a good show, isn't it?

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Oleg_:

let's hope it won't be cancelled after the first season

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mattwj2002:

freaking awesome Oleg_

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mattwj2002:

my favorite show right now

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mattwj2002:

it probably will be

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mattwj2002:

because it is too expensive to make compared to reality crap

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neufeld:

mattwj2002: if you usually don't have signal issues, and then had some last night, I'd suspect the provider before I suspected your cabling. I had some issues setting up an HD-PVR when the Space Channel happened to be experiencing bad signal quality, pixellation and sound cutouts, which I thought was on my end in my hardware. I ran a cable right from the cable box to the television set, and still had bad signals.

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mattwj2002:

it is about a world where something happens and nothing electrical works at all ... all of sudden....people get sent back to the stone age in modern times

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wagnerrp:

Oleg_: honestly, i dont watch video on my BSD machine, it doesn't even have graphics drivers installed or a local X server

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neufeld:

mattwj2002: iron age, I'd say. They still have the means to smelt and forge.

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mattwj2002:

okay iron age

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mattwj2002:

:P

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, never had this problem before

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mattwj2002:

it makes you think....

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mattwj2002:

what if even an emp attack

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mattwj2002:

that would only be temporary but still

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mattwj2002:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse

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wagnerrp:

no, regardless of whether the show is decent or not, the premise is stupid

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mattwj2002:

why?

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wagnerrp:

there is no weapon or change to the laws of physics that could account for what is happening in that show

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mattwj2002:

good point

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mattwj2002:

still a good show though

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mattwj2002:

:)

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wagnerrp:

that same electrical behavior that went away and caused all the machines to stop functioning

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wagnerrp:

well, we need that to function too

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wagnerrp:

if nothing electrical works, we fall down dead

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mattwj2002:

really?

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mattwj2002:

why don't emps kill then?

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wagnerrp:

really

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mattwj2002:

my limited understanding was they didn't

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wagnerrp:

field density

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wagnerrp:

the electric field is not sufficiently dense to cause any significant effect within the scales of the electrical conductors in our bodies

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mattwj2002:

ok

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, EMPs typically are not even strong enough to harm most electronics

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wagnerrp:

semiconductors are particular prone to damage, since they cannot handle voltage

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wagnerrp:

older vacuum tubes and other analog electronic devices are far more robust

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wagnerrp:

and digital electronics can be shielded easily enough

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wagnerrp:

the problem is the power grid

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neufeld_AFK:

mattwj2002: an EMP is a different thing. It destroys loops of conductors. The premise of the show is that electricity itself just doesn't work anymore. But it's hard to imagine any situation where matter would remain stable if electrons didn't respond to EMFs, if moving charges didn't produce magnetic fields, etc. Once Maxwell's equations break down, it's hard to put the universe back together.

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monkeypet:

how can I force mythtv 0.21 to compile with qt3?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv 0.21 only compiles with qt3

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mattwj2002:

got ya

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mattwj2002:

hey I find it fun

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monkeypet:

wagnerrp: it is picking up the qt4 /usr/lib/

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wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: the real issue is all that power absorbed by those massive antenna we call transmission cables

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wagnerrp:

finding its way into all those electronic devices

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mattwj2002:

fighting

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wagnerrp:

its like getting struck by lightning

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mattwj2002:

action

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mattwj2002:

something original....but yeah I see your guys point

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mattwj2002:

still better than American Idol

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mattwj2002:

:P

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Oleg_:

I am curious, this output means it can't detect my device:

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mattwj2002:

and still my favorite show ;)

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Oleg_:

TV: playbackURL(/mnt/LiveTV/1021_20121003021130.mpg) cardtype(DUMMY)

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Oleg_:

?

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wagnerrp:

like i said, independent of the show, the physics makes no sense

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neufeld_AFK:

Well, the informal rules of science fiction say you're allowed exactly one magical effect, and you get FTL for free. Once you start piling up the miracles, it gets awkward.

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wagnerrp:

for what it's worth, the physics of nearly anything scifi is completely bogus

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mattwj2002:

good point :)

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Oleg_:

if it says "dummy", it means it can't detect my device?

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wagnerrp:

its a dummy device placed in there during channel changes

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mattwj2002:

they canceled Tera Nova so I needed something to look forward too

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mattwj2002:

:((

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mattwj2002:

*to

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mattwj2002:

*Terra

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mattwj2002:

*cancelled

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Oleg_:

what does it mean:

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Oleg_:

2012-10–02 22:11:31.260755 E RecBase(1:192.168.0.199–0): SetStrOption(...recordingtype): Option not in profile.

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Oleg_:

and is it possible that mythfrontend crashes because of this?

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neufeld_AFK:

and all sorts of shows wander into science fiction by accident. An episode of Monk had a resolution that depended on physically impossible magnets. An episode of the original Perry Mason had a resolution that depended on working psychics in a university parapsychology lab. And every episode of CSI might as well just have a wizard in it.

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neufeld_AFK:

the writers don't know enough about technology to be able to avoid magic. At least SF does it on purpose (most of the time).

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wagnerrp:

zoom in on that eyeball, we might get a reflection off it to see what was happening outside the camera's field of view

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neufeld:

I shudder to think what the public thinks is the true mode of operation of a GPS device.

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mattwj2002:

haha

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wagnerrp:

if they only understood the math and physics that goes into an accurate lock

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wagnerrp:

more ridiculous than just about any nonsense some scifi writer could come up with

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp after your analzye about EMPs I see I was way off

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mattwj2002:

but

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mattwj2002:

this is entertainment not education! :)

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wagnerrp:

which is why i said my comments were independent of what i thought of the show as a show

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mattwj2002:

good point

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wagnerrp:

i watch ncis and god knows everything computery or sciency on that show is a bunch of nonsense

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mattwj2002:

the show revolution also gives us a look into what would be happened in the event of any huge global diasaster

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mattwj2002:

that sent us back

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wagnerrp:

well no, not really

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wagnerrp:

most of the stuff we have, aside from computers, could be made to work without electricity

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mattwj2002:

I am not talking about electricity!

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wagnerrp:

and you still could have computers, just very simple ones

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mattwj2002:

I mean the fighting over resources

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mattwj2002:

governments gone

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mattwj2002:

people making their own food again

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mattwj2002:

lack of communication etc

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wagnerrp:

subsistence farming is for the ignorant

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Oleg_:

by the way, I noticed I am getting database errors

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wagnerrp:

get the right people in the right places and we would be back up to say mid-1800s in the short term

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Oleg_:

so, I entered mysql command line and typed "drop database mythconverg;"

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wagnerrp:

get your farming up, and enough sanitation, you have population blooms

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wagnerrp:

and we could be rebuilt maybe a hundred years

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Oleg_:

and I recreated it with the command: "mysql < /usr/home/mythtv/mythtv/mythtv/database/mc.sql"

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wagnerrp:

im an optimist

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mattwj2002:

:)

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wagnerrp:

people are terrible when times are good, and they get worse when times turn worse

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mattwj2002:

well whatever the case

[02:28:39]

mattwj2002:

it is nice to actually have something good to watch

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wagnerrp:

but once things settle out, ingenuity kicks back in

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Oleg_:

so, when I run mythtv-setup, I get this:

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Oleg_:

You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ':GROUP AND hostname = :HOSTNAME' at line 1

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Oleg_:

any idea what causes this issue?

[02:30:46]

Oleg_:

Table 'mythconverg.storagegroup' doesn't exist

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Oleg_:

what's going on?

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jedix:

so what's the call on 0.26?

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jedix:

is it goood?

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monkeypet:

I rebooted and forgot to start pinging the HDHR and my recordings are truncated again, sigh.

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mattwj2002:

monkeypet

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mattwj2002:

why did you have to ping your hdhomerun?

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jedix:

hdhr?

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mattwj2002:

hdhomerun

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mattwj2002:

I hate ppl that abbr evythng

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

;)

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monkeypet:

there a firmware bug that causes it to spontaneously drop off the network during recordings.

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jedix:

truncated recording?

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jedix:

hd homerunner truncated his recordings?

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jedix:

I'm confused.

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jedix:

par for the day though

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wagnerrp:

hahahahahaha

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wagnerrp:

watching a recording, the little news teaser at the end of the commercial has the two anchors

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wagnerrp:

one of them very clearly has an awful tan of the little sunglasses you wear in a tanning bed

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wagnerrp:

her eyes are white, everything else is very red

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[R]:

rofl

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mattwj2002:

haha

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mattwj2002:

I wonder how much else of her is red

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mattwj2002:

:P

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jedix:

burn!

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jedix:

lol

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mattwj2002:

I couldn't resist

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mattwj2002:

:)

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wagnerrp:

http://snag.gy/2Sk6D.jpg

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mattwj2002:

haha

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mattwj2002:

nice

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monkeypet:

crap

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monkeypet:

she shouldn't have worn the goggles.

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mattwj2002:

I was picturing someone that looked different

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp here we have a hot weather woman

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mattwj2002:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35fnc-gU7NU

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mattwj2002:

(not my clip)

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mattwj2002:

0:20 or so

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Oleg_:

okay, mythfrontend crashes even if I try to watch videos

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monkeypet:

Stupid me installed ubuntu and my password doesn't work.

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, so, mythfrontend crashes if I want to watch videos or live tv. is it possible it happens because some old mythtv libraries weren't deleted?

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monkeypet:

VirtualBox VM is so cool! Been switching between different distro for testing things.

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firl:

wagnerrp you around?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

firl: ^^^

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firl:

hey, I was just writing up a bug for the trac server, I wasn't sure what all information I could include to help diagnose it

[06:08:51]

firl:

I didn't know if I should use gdb to recreate the issue, and do a dump

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firl:

or what not

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wagnerrp:

what is the bug?

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firl:

mythtranscode hangs while removing commercials, talked about it about a week ago lol

[06:09:21]

firl:

I now have a file I can replicate the issue on

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wagnerrp:

hangs rather than terminates?

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firl:

when executed, forked from mythbackend it hangs

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firl:

when running on the command line it terminates

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wagnerrp:

if it hangs again, you can hook into gdb after the fact

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wagnerrp:

and perform a dump on it then

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firl:

alright I will do that if I see it again. Should I create the bug with what I have now? http://pastebin.com/xs7PR187

[06:13:17]

firl:

never mind, I think I found some open bugs with it ( just checked )

[06:13:59]

firl:

all for .24 and over a year old. Should I open one for .25?

[06:14:16]

wagnerrp:

if they're still open, no

[06:14:28]

wagnerrp:

well let me rephrase

[06:14:37]

wagnerrp:

if they're still open and look like the same issue as yours, no

[06:15:03]

firl:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3246 looks like it isn't open anymore

[06:15:57]

wagnerrp:

that's for something a lot older than 0.24

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wagnerrp:

thats like 0.20 era

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firl:

yeah the others weren't bugs, but on the mailing list that weren't answered

[06:16:37]

firl:

I will just create it then lol, and attach a gdb dump if I get a chance to again

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firl:

which should roughly take a week

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firl:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11139 and logged

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Kelerion:

anyone know if anyones done anything with filmon.com for the netvision?

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wagnerrp:

looks like you need a login

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rumblebumble:

quick question, using mythmusic,I update my playlist via mythweb but my updates do not show up the frontends, why would that be

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Kelerion:

nah...its free

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wagnerrp:

free, yes... but a lot of the content requires an account

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Kelerion:

yes... it can do more if you register...

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Kelerion:

the normal free channels though... bbc etc... they look like they can be linked directly... the "pop out" option gives what looks like a unique URL

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wagnerrp:

mythnetvision does not currently support any kind of cookies or authentication

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wagnerrp:

even if they dont offer a "pop out" player, you can still program a grabber to provide its own custom web page for clean encapsulation of the flash player

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Kelerion:

thats easy... but can i put custom URL's in mythnetvision for each channel?

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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Kelerion:

ok... I'm in Spain... and I want to watch UK channels through filmon.com... first...is mythnetvision the way to do it

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wagnerrp:

if you want to watch content on a web page, yes

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wagnerrp:

if you have an RSS feed, mythnetvision can use that directly

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wagnerrp:

if not, then you have to write a grabber script to tell mythnetvision what content is available

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Kelerion:

mythnetvision reads rss feeds from what I can tell...so if I created an rss feed on my server that contained url's to cleaned versions of those flash popouts for each channel...that would work, right?

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wagnerrp:

this is a hand written RSS feed? or one you have a script to generate?

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Kelerion:

it'd have to be a script that gets it fresh each time you got to the feed...so it's get the latest program

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Kelerion:

it get's....even

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wagnerrp:

with some slight alteration to that, you can turn that rss generator into a mythnetvision grabber

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Kelerion:

yup...thats where I'm going with it

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wagnerrp:

as a proper grabber, you have some additional options

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Kelerion:

it should be simple...very similar to the iPlayer grabber

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wagnerrp:

you can use it to feed mythnetvision a custom webpage, stored on the backend, that encapsulates the player so it is all you see when playing the video

[06:54:29]

wagnerrp:

you can also use it to define access to any playback controls exposed by the flash player, allowing you to control the player through MythTV, rather than independently with a mouse

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Kelerion:

I need to look into mythnetvision more then...the feed is simple...i've written rss generators a few times now

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Kelerion:

is the EPG linked to mythnetvision? could i set a record schedule with it?

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wagnerrp:

mythnetvision is for on-demand internet content

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wagnerrp:

there is no scheduling data, or scheduled time, for you to schedule a recording

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Kelerion:

makes sense...each source is different

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Kelerion:

it would be nice if each feed was considered a video source though... but that would be a hell of a lot of work

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monkeypet:

mysqld likes to 100% of my cpu.

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wagnerrp:

there would be no point to it

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wagnerrp:

the whole purpose of the recording aspect of mythtv is because the video is only available at a certain time of the day

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wagnerrp:

on demand content is by definition, always available

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wagnerrp:

now i could see some logic in including it with recordings as some form of combined media view

[07:06:17]

wagnerrp:

but it wouldn't make sense to treat it as a recording

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, okay, it looks like I was right. The old libraries conflicted with the new libraries. I typed "rm -rf libmyth*" in /usr/local/lib directory and deleted all the libraries required for mythplugins, then recompiled mythtv, and now everything works perfectly

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Kelerion:

brb

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wmcdougall:

nick wayne

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Kelerion:

oh! Justin's here! hey there dudester!

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justinh:

haha.. first time in ages I check in on my lunchbreak & I see you Kelerion ! How's it going?

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justinh:

my work time IRC sessions were curtailed.. when I got found out. I wasn't going to try & argue a case. It was easier to just stop

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stuartm:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gno . . . +bug/1055766

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justinh:

besides I'm generally *way* too busy for IRC these days :-) In a nice way, too

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justinh:

linux is pretty much 50% of my day job now :)

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justinh:

so Kelerion last I heard you were living the life of Riley in the US. You still there?

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justinh:

oh crap. I have a clone of a wordpress blog database on my server at home called 'web137-nhdtc'.. which can't be dropped because of the -

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justinh:

yay, backticks to the rescue

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stuartm:

so much better than grass ticks

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stuartm:

justinh: Kelerion can answer for himself, but he's in Spain now, struggling with Spanish TV :)

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justinh:

scorchio

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justinh:

Spanish TV == big frickin dish pointed at the extremes of an Astra footprint?

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justinh:

or locally sourced digitally modulated transmissions from the nearest spark gap transmitter? ;-)

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stuartm:

por la visto la television es muy mala

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stuartm:

local, OTA

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stuartm:

I suggested seeing what he could get via Satellite, although with the tightened spot beams since the move to Astra 1N it probably won't be much

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justinh:

huh? my backend has 3GB RAM, I'm not running a 64-bit OS.. I thought I'd be OK.. thinking 'up to 3GB with 32-bit'.. wrong?

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justinh:

just ran free -m.. reporting I have 1GB free, approx

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stuartm:

justinh: linux like any OS tends to use the memory if it's available, what does /proc/meminfo say?

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justinh:

memtotal=3GB

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justinh:

memfree=1GB

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justinh:

methinks it might be time to update the OS

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stuartm:

Tengo hambre, tiempo para almuerzo

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justinh:

might also devote some time to trying to make a simple 'record this' button for the grid view in mythweb

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justinh:

tried before, gave up too easily

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mycosys1:

justinh: htop will show you how much memory is ACTUALLY used, and how much is being used for caching

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justinh:

ah cheers

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justinh:

WTH? what is 'tangerine daemon' ?

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justinh:

whatever it was, it had 4GB allocated to it

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stuartm:

I don't know, but I've a mental image of you unexpectedly being Tango'd

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justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

apparently it's a DAAP music server

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justinh:

one with a bloody big memory leak in it I guess

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stuartm:

one that shouldn't be automatically started in the background without explicit permission

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justinh:

maybe I'd installed it. I CBA to trawl through my bash history to find out

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stuartm:

this is the problem with too many distros/OS today, starting up stuff in the background just so it's there should you one day decide to use it instead of waiting until you've shown an interest in having a DAAP server running

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justinh:

it's gone now. whatever :-)

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justinh:

stuartm: one of the things which infuriates me about some distros is that they don't set up something you've installed to start automatically

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** justinh looks at OpenSUSE **

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justinh:

and RHEL

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justinh:

but it's ok. our CEO has decreed we may no longer recommend those to customers. We're all about Ubuntu now :-\

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justinh:

this came just after I'd put the finishing touches on an OpenSUSE live CD which could install our web app system on a box within 15 minutes flat

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justinh:

not even started looking at how to do that with ubuntu.. bet they have no susestudio equivalent

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ryebrye:

is the OS X build slave still down? http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/buildslaves

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ryebrye:

I'm trying to build an OS X 0.26 on my machine but having issues – I was trying to get a sanity check from the build bot to see if I my system was just fubared

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justinh:

heh I'm reminded why I gave up on this

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justinh:

ok, so looking at the PHP, it all seems quite clear, but what's rendering the guide grid in mythweb? javascript?

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justinh:

OMG.. seeing the source of the actual grid page is very interesting

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Kelerion:

*catches up*

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Kelerion:

hey! yup...in Spain

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Kelerion:

so no more camera stuff for ya Justin?

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Kelerion:

yeah... been pissing about with TDT... got a cheap TDT mini usb adapter and plugged it in... struggled for an hour with firmware... finally for it working... only to see Spanish TV sucks

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Kelerion:

got it..even

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Kelerion:

I've gone backwards! I had a great setup in the UK... and after 3 years of being here was missing it all...so am having to start again... pfft

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Kelerion:

I was going through some photos the other day... found one of us all at the Linux Expo in London! great time!

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nkuebelbeck:

What does everyone use for meta data lookup and commecial detection? I'm getting mixed results with meta data lookup and looking for a more reliable methd

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beadle:

from a high level view there are myth recordings, video, removable device (ie. DVD, USB, etc.), and socket/net based like web http sources. Two of those share being local and persistent. Is there any thought to moving mythvideo into the myth recordings structure?

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stuartm:

it's proposed from time to time, but there are good reasons not to do it, recordings and video (DVD rips) aren't the same thing, not everyone wants their temporary content stored and accessed alongside their permanent stuff

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stuartm:

better proposals involve better integration and the ability to 'achieve' recordings to the video collection where they won't be deleted or expired

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beadle:

that bit about achieve to collection does imply some thought to managing them together. my domain is the roku player for mythtv client. I guess my simplest question is will mythvideo continue to be a separate thing near and farther term?

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stuartm:

for most people it's just a question of better themes, the content 'feels' distinctly segregated only because of the way it's presented

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stuartm:

beadle: the backend is being more tightly integrated, that may mean single API calls allowing all media music/video/internet/recordings to be pulled in one request

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beadle:

yes. but it's also a separate package. so would you see the myth frontend as ever showing both imported files like the current mythvideo and transient recorded files under the same menu?

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beadle:

stuarm: ok

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stuartm:

beadle: it's not been seperate for two years

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stuartm:

but we're unlikely to change our frontend UI to meld together videos/recordings in one unified list because that really doesn't suit how most people use MythTV

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beadle:

oh your right my fedora dist did recently take away the separate packages. sorry.

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stuartm:

it's likely that package was empty before that anyway, some packagers just didn't notice that it was no longer a plugin

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beadle:

they're still managed from different tables and AFAIK those don't share an interface. for our perspective it might be more readily a good choice. but I'm hearing that you all consider Video and Recordings as non-friendly or not interfaced entieis?

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beadle:

entities

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stuartm:

they share different metadata, different usage and different behaviour (e.g. recordings may be automatically deleted to make space, videos shouldn't be) – the average recording has a lifespan of just a few days before it's watched and gone again

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stuartm:

we are merging the file information for all media files into a single table, but the metadata etc will be a layer above that

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beadle:

ok thanks stuartm that helps me understand. so promoting a recording makes sense. so bookmarks would be in the same table sometime near future?

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wagnerrp:

beadle: from a presentation standpoint, there is a reasonable argument for providing a "unified" view that displays all available content

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wagnerrp:

however from a management standpoint, they must stay separated in some fashion

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wagnerrp:

recordings are generally considered transient, while the video library is considered permanent

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stuartm:

beadle: bookmarks are already in the same table

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wagnerrp:

and so there really is going to be an expectation of some difference in how the two are handled

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stuartm:

oh wait, no we never finished that ...

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stuartm:

but yeah, they will be in the future

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wagnerrp:

should be that way for 0.27

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wagnerrp:

waiting on sphery to get his stuff in

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wagnerrp:

i plan on getting the global file scanner in some time this week

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: also, im probably going to commit a rewritten housekeeper sometime today or tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

moves it into the libraries, primarily for access for the frontend for use with the smolt stuff

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stuartm:

there are two schools of thought on the unified view, might be that one day it's offered as an option alongside separate views, however I personally think that there are much more important things to work on first rather than creating yet more work for themers and more screens to maintain (PBB aka the Watch Recordings screen is already an immensely complicated bit of code)

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beadle:

stuartm: filemarkup and recordmarkup in my current installation.

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wagnerrp:

beadle: right, those changes have been "in the works" for maybe three years now

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wagnerrp:

merger should probably come during the 0.27 cycle

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stuartm:

beadle: yeah, a few years ago I wrote a patch which merged those but it was put on indefinite hold and ultimately forgotten (I forgot for a moment that it was never committed)

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beadle:

stuartm: I agree that making extra work for themers etc is a bad thing

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wagnerrp:

the real issue is those tables use different keys, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to merge the two at this point

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wagnerrp:

the plan is to lump all files together under a single video ID

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stuartm:

yeah, a move to 'fileid' was originally proposed as far back as 0.19, but Isaac was always opposed for reasons I never understood

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wagnerrp:

and then have separate subtables for content specific to recordings or the video library

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wagnerrp:

that long ago?

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wagnerrp:

well i know it's at least three, since that's about how long ive been active with mythtv development, and there were rumblings about such when i started

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: maybe even further back, anyone who had some DB design experience ended up questioning that bit of the schema (it's really inefficient)

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stuartm:

I suppose one thing in it's favour was that the filename contained the key necessary for associating the metadata, but that's of limited value

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beadle:

for us it makes a lot of sense to show Roku list of iPlayable. I can understand that's a low prio concern to MythTV. I think we want to follow your lead so if you see recorded and videometadata, and recordedmarkup and filemarkup being unified either in the DB or conceptually then that's very helpful for us to know.

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beadle:

iPlayable would include file system, device, and socket/net implementations

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beadle:

but I didn't quite know if that's what you were saying the direction was

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beadle:

ok so what I'm going to say in our forum is that bookmarks are being merged to the same table and metadata about recording is being considered. Various strategies have and are being considered but some unification is likely in the near term.

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stuartm:

at one level video/recording metadata may be merged into a single table, however there is metadata which is specific to recordings that we also need to be stored, whether that's in a separate table or as a superset in a second table e.g. starttime/endtime/channel/repeat_status and purely internal information such as whether it's expirable, the program and seriesids, status info such as commercial flagged/transcoded

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beadle:

we currently have a bit of a disconnect about what detail to display. it should be a simple interface for us as the roku only offers a limited control mechanism. the only real difference to the roku mythtv player is if it should be deletable. well, we also have to convert so that might be part of iPlayable.

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wizbit:

my backend is ready for action again :-)

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kenni:

Has anyone had any success with non-nvidia hardware and the "Seperate video modes for GUI and TV playback" setting? I get a picture which is partly outside of the screen once I start playback. And it's not the modeline, the issue is only in MythTV..

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kenni:

This illustrates the issue: http://postimage.org/image/m3dd9lsgb/

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justinh:

right. where was I?

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stuartm:

Salford if I remember rightly

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justinh:

heh

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stuartm:

kenni: are you defining a Y offset in the config?

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justinh:

no, I was in the middle of looking for a way to add a simple 'record once' button to the guide grid in mythweb

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justinh:

since the page each link takes you to is a form, maybe it'd be too much to have that many forms on the page

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justinh:

maybe better to somehow create a form when the button is pressed, then submit the details

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justinh:

but I dunno how to do that. Yet

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justinh:

I'd be surprised if I'm the first person to bring it up, let alone attempt it...

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justinh:

oh. maybe a bit of javascript to the rescue here

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kenni:

stuartm: No, not as far as I know...it happens once it changes resolution from 1920x1080@60 to 1920x1080@50.

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kenni:

where do I find that setting?

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kenni:

but no, all Y offset settings are set to 0 AFAICT.

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dekarl:

justinh, wrt mysql being slow especially in time search... you do remember #10023 where you helped me improve the speed of time search? I've been running with that patch for ages without issues, maybe we can get it in for 0.27 ^^

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10023 **

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justinh:

dekarl: yeah I remmember that. pity the scheduler wouldn't be so easy ;-)

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justinh:

gah why do I always pick things to do that seem simple in principle, but later turn out to be biting off more than I can chew?

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justinh:

mind, I rose to the challenge of putting rotation in a painter. such a shame it never got properly finished

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justinh:

now the kids are going to sleep at a reasonable time I might actually have opportunity!

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justinh:

ach. even more complex than I thought.. there's the override case to consider as well

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stuartm:

kenni: I don't know much about the display res changing stuff I'm afraid, all my TVs have had the ability to scale the video pretty well, or certainly no better than feeding them the video at the native res

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stuartm:

err, the other way around I mean, the GPU scaling was at least equal to the task of scaling as the TV

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justinh:

I don't see the point in being able to change res for video

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justinh:

if your box can't play at the native resolution of the display, sucks to be you, just get better hardware :-)

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justinh:

btw was talking about mythtv with a guy at work today & he was searching google images for screenshots. Oy.. there's some OLD, awful themes in those search results

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kenni:

stuartm: np...but just FYI, I'm not changing the resolution, only the refresh rate. But using the Slim/Normal/High Quality profiles or any of the OpenGL profiles, causes the video playback to have a y offset. Anyway, it has to be a bug, starting and stopping playback a few times just caused a segfault in mythfrontend :)

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kenni:

justinh, I'm not changing resolution only refresh rate

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stuartm:

that's the one thing I would change about websites, so very few put dates on articles/pages so you've no idea if what you're seeing/reading is relevant to the present day or 15 years out of date

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stuartm:

IMHO there needs to be a binding standard that requires ALL pages to carry an accurate date of creation that's read and displayed from the headers by the browser if necessary, search engines would be able to filter out really old material from searches by default unless it couldn't find something newer/more relevant

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dekarl:

hmm, been looking at #11053, does every transmitted EIT section that is received, but not used (prefering XMLTV/SD for that channel or more common the channel having simply been deleted), result in a database lookup?

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11053 **

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dekarl:

justinh, more low hanging database performance stuff -^

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justinh:

dekarl: heh

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justinh:

hmm looking at some generations back screenshots of 'Concept' & I think I prefer the older ones

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dekarl:

if you have a multiplex of X channels, all of them receiving EIT data. but as you don't care about half of them you simply delete the channels and end up with transmitted EIT sections that can't be matched to the database and are looked up over and over..

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justinh:

yeah maybe that could use some optimisation

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dekarl:

Göran was reporting 21 lookups per second, sounds about right for the EIT transmission rate

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justinh:

like I've seen functions in the web app I support where they do a select * from table into an array, then just count the rows in the array in the php code!

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dekarl:

ahh, thats entirely different as its a professional app built by trained professionals ^^

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justinh:

bearing in mind some of the customers' tables are fricking HUGE... I've had to bump the PHP memory limit to 256MB on a number of occasions

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justinh:

dekarl: built by an overworked guy who has too many things to juggle

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justinh:

who happens to be getting increasingly er... bothered.. and couldn't be blamed for leaving

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justinh:

this app wasn't so much designed.. it's evolved. things get bolted on & bolted on & bolted on.. now it's a monster

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dekarl:

I hope you have the option to push simple bugfixes upstream with that app

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justinh:

oh yeah. he's a nice guy & I do what I can to help

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dekarl:

took me two years to get simple changes into our internal code base... (the owners just gave in and gave me commit access so I wont bug them anymore :)

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justinh:

I fixed something the other day.. a function was using a PHP strcmp looking for the string 'available' when a new type had been added 'available_protected' so I had to change it to use strpos

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justinh:

when I get some free time I'll start looking at simple queries to optimise

[20:11:54]

justinh:

we're moving desks around soon so I spent most of today putting together a video patch panel

[20:13:17]

** justinh wonders whatever happened to Boxee **

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dekarl:

seems to have fallen silent but cooking something up in their secret lair. http://blog.boxee.tv/2012/09/20/boxee-sneak-peek/ but as they are using competitors products to entertain themselves I wouldn't hold my breath :D

[20:18:55]

wagnerrp:

anyone around use airplay?

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wisenuts:

i have a strict rule in our house, no apple products

[20:19:40]

dekarl:

I've tested it once or twice with my SO's mobile

[20:19:45]

wagnerrp:

just wondering if this comment has any relevance to mythtv... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=AirTunes/Air . . . p;rcid=62332

[20:20:04]

wagnerrp:

seems to me it's just explaining how to get apple devices to work with other apple devices

[20:20:13]

wagnerrp:

unless mythtv appears as an Apple TV to iOS devices...

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dekarl:

seems to just be the users guide on enabling the mirroring feature (screen casting you iDevices display to finally play Angry Birds on 50" )

[20:23:46]

wagnerrp:

so.... nothing to do with mythtv?

[20:23:56]

justinh:

apple products are too expensive. By that I mean such devices with decent performance are all still too expensive

[20:25:07]

dekarl:

no, don't think its related to mythtv.

[20:26:24]

dekarl:

anyway, its copy'n'paste from apple's homepage and likely a violation of the site EULA ;)

[20:27:41]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, yeah, it's nothing to do with myth. We only support sending of data, not receiving AFAIK

[20:27:50]

justinh:

whoah almost missed a bunch of specials on BBC Four about Kenny Everett

[20:28:07]

wagnerrp:

yes we do, we can receive airplay streams from iOS devices, and play them on screen

[20:28:19]

wagnerrp:

one of the last things markk wrote before leaving

[20:28:28]

wagnerrp:

more recently, jya has been maintaining it

[20:28:46]

kormoc:

oh huh. Then that section does make sense

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wagnerrp:

so undo my undo then?

[20:29:13]

wagnerrp:

if we can play content from airplay, we can partake in screen mirroring too?

[20:29:22]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's the same thing, no?

[20:29:26]

wagnerrp:

no clue

[20:29:30]

wagnerrp:

that's why i asked

[20:29:31]

justinh:

is there such a thing for droids yet?

[20:29:36]

kormoc:

I believe it is. xris knows more I'd wager

[20:29:44]

wagnerrp:

justinh: yeah, it's called UPnP

[20:30:23]

justinh:

pushing video & screen mirroring etc?

[20:30:47]

wagnerrp:

yes, the UPnP spec has mechanisms for such... just hardly anyone implements them

[20:31:00]

justinh:

like playing mpeg2 ;-)

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xris:

kormoc: no clue, but I would be inclined to agree that it must be similar

[20:31:55]

justinh:

my archos tablet astounded me that it's able to play my mythtv recordings via upnp, but the UI is awful

[20:32:01]

xris:

but knowing how they restrict screen mirroring to certain graphics cards, I'm pretty sure "screen mirroring" is just streaming a video of the screen itself

[20:32:40]

wagnerrp:

i would be surprised if it were anything more elaborate than that

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xris:

pretty sure that's how it works.

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[20:44:54]

earthw0rm:

I've asked this before, but haven't come up with an answer, what's the best way to handle a CD full of AVI files inserted into a MythTV box?

[20:45:08]

wizbit:

wow

[20:45:10]

earthw0rm:

Or a USB stick with AVI files for that matter ..

[20:45:17]

wizbit:

a quad tuner on 1 card, dvb-t2

[20:45:18]

wizbit:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6284

[20:45:28]

wagnerrp:

copy them to your archival storage, and permanently scan them in

[20:47:06]

earthw0rm:

wagnerrp: Can't they be played from the media?

[20:49:14]

justinh:

earthw0rm: nope, not really. though you could possibly automount it to a directory inside your video storage group – but that'd require using file browse mode

[20:49:30]

justinh:

and as you may know file browse mode comes with its own limitations

[20:49:43]

earthw0rm:

Bugger

[20:50:13]

earthw0rm:

My Mrs has TONS of DVDs with AVI files burned on them, and we'd like to just be able to pop it in and play them

[20:50:27]

earthw0rm:

Amazingly, the PS3 does this better than MythTV then :(

[20:50:48]

wagnerrp:

you can specify an automount path where your removable media will show up

[20:50:49]

justinh:

mythtv is designed to be more.. elegant than just a dumb file browser

[20:51:06]

wagnerrp:

but you have to manually tell it to scan for content when the device becomes available

[20:51:42]

dekarl:

sounds alot like the use case: Watch stuff from the card of a digital camera with MythGallery

[20:51:54]

earthw0rm:

wagnerrp: That sounds better than nowt, how do I tell it where removable media would be?

[20:52:08]

earthw0rm:

dekarl: Yeah, that is a similar thing people might want to do

[20:52:15]

wagnerrp:

you add that path in the backend as a Video storage directory

[20:52:46]

justinh:

per SG file browse mode selections might be cool, but it's another blimmin setting

[20:52:59]

justinh:

and I'm all for less settings ;-)

[20:53:03]

wagnerrp:

no, file browse mode is going away in 0.27

[20:53:07]

wagnerrp:

its my mission to remove that

[20:53:10]

earthw0rm:

justinh: It needn't be "dumb", you could have it pick up metadata and all sorts, offer to copy to library ...

[20:53:11]

justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

earthw0rm: why not just invest in a big HDD & stuff all the media on that?

[20:53:37]

wagnerrp:

from hell's heart, i deleth thee

[20:53:46]

justinh:

those DVDs won't last forever

[20:54:10]

wagnerrp:

anyway.... plan is to remove all direct media access from the frontend all together

[20:54:23]

wagnerrp:

if you have content on a machine you want to access, you run a backend, or mediaserver

[20:54:23]

earthw0rm:

A big HD probably wouldn't either, but it's really just the time to copy them all

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wagnerrp:

make one big scanner that manages all media content on the whole cluster

[20:55:05]

wagnerrp:

and tie that scanner into the mediamonitor through the events system

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justinh:

earthw0rm: the copies will be faster from HDD to HDD though

[20:55:35]

wagnerrp:

if you insert a device, the mediamonitor sends an event to the cluster that a new device/disc is available

[20:55:48]

wagnerrp:

and the scanner runs off and adds the content

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justinh:

interesting :)

[20:56:17]

wagnerrp:

when the device is removed, it fires another event, and all content in that path gets flushed

[20:56:57]

earthw0rm:

justinh: The Mrs wouldn't trust all those files copied to the HD from the discs, and as I say, it'd take ages putting them in and copying ...

[20:57:14]

earthw0rm:

wagnerrp: Sounds great to me

[20:57:28]

wagnerrp:

you only have to do it once

[20:57:41]

wagnerrp:

and then you never have to dick around with those discs again

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justinh:

look after HDDs properly, replace em before they even show signs of getting old, and.... things will probably be good

[20:59:06]

justinh:

yeah they may fail prematurely, but it's a foolish man who puts all his eggs in one basket

[20:59:27]

earthw0rm:

I wonder if they'd all fit on my set up? I've got 2 x 3TB HDs

[20:59:49]

wagnerrp:

you're talking a whole whopping 4GB per DVD

[21:02:17]

xris:

I really like my new synology NAS

[21:02:53]

xris:

all of my non-recorded mythtv media is there. and honestly, its upnp server is better than myth's. though I only watch stuff through myth

[21:03:06]

earthw0rm:

So I could get about 3,000 DVDs full onto each HD ...

[21:03:28]

wagnerrp:

4GB....

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justinh:

xris: bet a multibay one is mondo expensivo

[21:04:13]

xris:

wagnerrp: do you really rip DVDs raw these days? I just send mine to h.264 at about 1200kbps. can't really notice the quality drop

[21:04:41]

wagnerrp:

he has data DVDs, not video DVDs

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xris:

justinh: 5 bay for $800, without disks. but it's a full linux box, of sorts. webserver, mail server, even runs java/crashplan so I can use it as a backup target.

[21:04:55]

xris:

wagnerrp: ah

[21:04:59]

justinh:

niiice

[21:05:14]

justinh:

hmm I need a bigger monitor for this mythweb hackery

[21:05:42]

wagnerrp:

xris: but it has the guts of a $100 Atom board and a $100 hotswap bay

[21:06:18]

xris:

justinh: I had a series of computer and hdd failures, thought I lost about 500G of home video recordings (AVCHD is huge).

[21:06:27]

wagnerrp:

the cost is really in the convenience

[21:06:38]

xris:

wagnerrp: and so far worth every penny

[21:06:40]

justinh:

AVCHD is why I upgraded to gigabit ethernet

[21:06:54]

wagnerrp:

you're paying $600 for the software to manage all that array rebuilding and such

[21:06:58]

xris:

raid6 across 5x2T drives

[21:07:13]

xris:

wagnerrp: and the small quiet enclosure, yes

[21:07:24]

justinh:

small, quiet & good looking

[21:07:43]

justinh:

not that it'd matter shoved in the cupboard under the stairs ;-)

[21:07:46]

xris:

http://www.synology.com/products/product.php? . . . &lang=us

[21:08:05]

wagnerrp:

you could probably strap a hotswap bay into that lianli case bei rdo has for about the same size

[21:08:13]

wagnerrp:

limited modification required

[21:08:23]

xris:

justinh: yeah, I plan to move it into my office or garage, but that adds 1–2 additional switches between it and my computers. not sure how much it'll degrade network performance

[21:09:35]

xris:

wagnerrp: right. but I don't want to manage another box. I'm hoping this will replace my existing mail/web box, and have an AirOS router that I intend to use to replace my firewall box (granted, I've had the router for a year and a half and still haven't found the time to make the swap)

[21:09:57]

justinh:

ouch.. £681 plus disks

[21:10:10]

wagnerrp:

right, im just saying the high price is so that you don't have to manage it and build it on your own, it comes pre-built for you

[21:10:32]

justinh:

maybe I should look into building something on the cheap while I still can

[21:10:34]

wagnerrp:

comes down to how much a couple weekends of your time is worth

[21:10:51]

wagnerrp:

personally, my time is worth less... :P

[21:11:25]

xris:

justinh: tech is always overpriced in the UK, no?

[21:11:54]

justinh:

xris: yup. always

[21:11:58]

xris:

wagnerrp: you assume that I *have* time. these days, I don't.

[21:12:20]

wagnerrp:

sure you do, it just comes at a very high cost

[21:12:31]

xris:

would rather spend my time hanging out at the brewery or playing with my kid (which actually means letting my wife play with the kid while I do chores)

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xris:

but yeah. mostly, there are other things I think of as more important than maintaining servers, keeping things up to date, etc.

[21:13:26]

wagnerrp:

playing around with new toys rather than giving your wife a break to play with the kid would be extremely costly... :)

[21:13:30]

justinh:

well for me there's that special time like now, between 7pm & 11pm :-)

[21:13:58]

xris:

the apps that come with synology put it ahead of the competition. mobile alerts when a drive has errors, stream music/video to my phone or a web browser, etc.

[21:14:41]

xris:

and by the time I could build out something with 5 nice drive bays and an inexpensive proc, it's probably only a couple hundred different in price.

[21:16:03]

xris:

I'd normally just use my mythbox, but my home theatre case only has 2 drive basy

[21:16:04]

xris:

bays

[21:16:41]

justinh:

ooo ugly, but functional .. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/icy-box-ib-555 . . . gle+shopping

[21:17:50]

xris:

yeah. I'll admit that I didn't look for an external enclosure

[21:18:01]

xris:

kormoc just sold me the idea of the NAS too well. :)

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justinh:

we've got countless RAID boxes lying around at work doing nothing.. but er.. they're a bit big to hide under a coat ;-)

[21:20:04]

xris:

heh

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justinh:

they're probably all a bit big to fit in my cupboard under the stairs too, come to think...

[21:22:11]

justinh:

and likely a bit too noisy

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the software is pretty snazzy for non-technical users in the house as well

[21:27:46]

justinh:

hmmm my current backend with all its disks is a bit of a squeeze.. 5 HDDs in the case & I struggled to get all the sata cables into the motherboard

[21:28:04]

justinh:

might be an idea to get one of those bay thingies anyway

[21:30:07]

xris:

wagnerrp: yeah. a lot of it is about the other software. I don't have to think about managing samba, netatalk, photo gallery apps, etc. it's just all there.

[21:30:23]

xris:

worth a few hundred $$ to have it all together

[21:33:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

kidyqO

[21:34:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I have two 5-bay units that look nicer than that one: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/HDDs.jpg

[21:35:15]

justinh:

doesn't really matter what they look like when they're hidden away anyway

[21:35:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[21:35:26]

justinh:

I like the price & they don't look too badly made

[21:35:44]

justinh:

certainly no worse than the maxtronic stuff I've seen

[21:36:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: yeah, price is probably comparable to what I paid for mine – about $80 USD each a few years ago...

[21:38:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: wow, dual-channel SAS ports... I was wondering why there were two ports for each slot – mine just has one per slot. D'oh!

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justinh:

whoah. some good deals on ebay for reconditioned servers

[21:52:36]

justinh:

hahahaha that's why. SCSI

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justinh:

and HOW BIG?!

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justinh:

I dunno how deep a full rack is, but these boys must be getting on for using all of it

[21:55:41]

justinh:

all of a sudden the synology stuf starts to make a lot more sense

[21:56:28]

justinh:

yeah it's about twice the price of a refurbed quad xeon box with 5 sata bays, but I bet it's about 80dB quieter & 1/4 of the volume

[21:57:11]

justinh:

I take it an array rebuild is still going to take an age whatever CPU speed you've got

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kormoc:

justinh, yeah. and xris can tell you how quiet it is. They're pretty quiet

[22:04:55]

xris:

two 120mm fans. the HDDs make the most noise in the device

[22:06:06]

xris:

it uses linux mdraid, so yeah, software dependent. I had a bad batch of drives (3 sequential serial numbers all died within 30 days) so lots of experience with rebuilds. takes about 6–8 hours per 2T drive in my system

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wagnerrp:

i still want to do the PC-in-a-metal-utility-cabinet, and mount it on the basement wall

[22:08:42]

wagnerrp:

something along the size of an electrical breaker panel

[22:09:00]

wagnerrp:

vents on the top and bottom, make the whole thing a chimney

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xris:

I have a friend who installed a 2-post rack in his garage

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wagnerrp:

i dont need a fully rack

[22:09:55]

wagnerrp:

although incorporating a couple mounting posts for some network equipment would be a good idea

[22:09:59]

wagnerrp:

*full

[22:12:31]

xris:

yeah, neither did he. I don't think he set it up again when he moved.

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Oleg_:

I have a problem. If I go to Watch Videos folder in mythfrontend, I can't play blu-rays; however, I can play them with mythavtest

[22:14:21]

wisenuts:

any errors?

[22:14:50]

wagnerrp:

blurays are not accessed through the "Watch Videos" item

[22:15:02]

wagnerrp:

there is a special menu item for optical disks

[22:16:38]

Oleg_:

I am talking about blu-ray rips

[22:16:46]

wagnerrp:

m2ts files?

[22:16:50]

Oleg_:

yes

[22:17:25]

wagnerrp:

what specifically happens when you try to play them from within mythfrontend?

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Oleg_:

well, I get this error:

[22:17:44]

Oleg_:

2012-10–03 18:15:26.293715 W RingBuf(myth://Videos@[::1]:6543/VAMPIRE_DIARIES_S1_D2): Peek() requested 2048 bytes, but only returning -1

[22:18:06]

stuartm:

ip config error

[22:18:08]

Oleg_:

however, if I simply type "mythavtest VAMPIRE_DIARIES_S1_D2" on the command line, I can play it just fine

[22:18:11]

stuartm:

?

[22:18:17]

wagnerrp:

no, should work fine

[22:18:37]

wagnerrp:

last I heard, BDMV folders did not operate over the backend protocol

[22:18:50]

wagnerrp:

some difficulty hooking libbluray into the file access mechanisms

[22:19:20]

wagnerrp:

but so long as the frontend has access to the content, and it does since the content is on the local machine, it should be accessing the content directly off the filesystem

[22:19:32]

wagnerrp:

i believe the player has behaved that way since 0.25

[22:19:44]

wagnerrp:

specifically as a workaround for the encrypted ISO issue

[22:20:09]

wagnerrp:

that way, you could continue using storage groups to define your content, but could mount the content locally to work around the playback issue

[22:20:47]

wagnerrp:

Oleg_: are the media files restricted to another user?

[22:21:06]

Oleg_:

they belong to mythtv user and mythtv group

[22:21:13]

wagnerrp:

but who is running mythfrontend?

[22:21:25]

Oleg_:

how do I check?

[22:21:38]

wagnerrp:

they are actually at the root of your video path? not in a "Movies" subdirectory or something?

[22:22:11]

wagnerrp:

the frontend gets run by whatever user you're logged into when you run it

[22:22:21]

Oleg_:

they are in /mnt/media directory and I added that directory to the storage group path for Videos

[22:22:47]

Oleg_:

there is only one home user on my comp: mythtv

[22:23:08]

Oleg_:

and I run mythbackend/mythfrontend as a home user

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wagnerrp:

home user?

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Oleg_:

as in /home/mythtv

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wisenuts:

is the m2ts an encrypted blu ray format? I personally always rip them into mkv

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wisenuts:

and remove any encryption

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wagnerrp:

no, the m2ts is the unencrypted file

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wagnerrp:

but encryption or no, libbluray wants direct access to the files

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Oleg_:

so, the question is why mythavtest can play these blu-ray rips just fine, but I can't play them in a traditional way

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wisenuts:

but still mpeg2?

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wagnerrp:

so if you're using a BDMV folder, you need to access the content through the filesystem

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wagnerrp:

no, typically h264 or vc1

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Oleg_:

avc, vc-1, or mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

bluray are rarely mpeg2

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wisenuts:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

as i understand it, mythtv should be detecting that the folder exists on the local filesystem

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wagnerrp:

and be accessing it locally

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wagnerrp:

but that is outside my area of expertise

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wisenuts:

backend/frontend on the same hardware?

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Oleg_:

yes

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wagnerrp:

as indicated by the [::1] in the video path

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wisenuts:

sry, i don't run mythfrontend so it's a learning experience

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Oleg_:

I can play dvds just fine by accessing them in the Watch Videos folder or running mythavtest

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wagnerrp:

even if the mentioned mechanism isnt working properly, unencrypted ISOs will still work just fine streamed from the backend

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Oleg_:

mythavtest needs mythbackend for functioning?

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wagnerrp:

but BDMV folders must be accessed from the local filesystem

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wagnerrp:

my concern is that it is not detecting the local files, and switching to local access, as it is supposed to

[22:33:36]

wagnerrp:

so it doesn't work

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wagnerrp:

however when you point mythavtest directly at the file, it doesn't even know about the remote copy of the file for it not to work

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Oleg_:

well, it's a good thing that mythavtest exists

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wagnerrp:

might want to take some verbose logs from the frontend, and file a ticket

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dekarl:

wisenuts, its easy to confuse MPEG-2 (the container, called .m2ts or .vob) with MPEG-2 (the video codec). So on Bluray you have MPEG-4/H.264 or VC1/WMV9 encoded video in a MPEG-2 container.

[22:36:33]

wagnerrp:

in the mean time, it's simple enough to symlink the m2ts files into some other folder, and have mythtv access those directly

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dekarl:

but you can also find MPEG-2 video in a MPEG-2 container on Bluray

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wisenuts:

dekarl: thanks for that

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wagnerrp:

rather than try to have it parse out the bluray structure from the BDMV

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wisenuts:

so you have an entire unecrypted copy of the blu ray?

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wagnerrp:

dekarl, wisenuts: technically, VOB is a modified mpeg2 program stream, not an mpeg2transport stream

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wisenuts:

with many m2ts files?

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wagnerrp:

yes, the whole folder structure

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wisenuts:

why in the world would you want that?

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wagnerrp:

menus, bonus content, etc...

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wagnerrp:

although at this time, we don't currently support the menus

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wisenuts:

ha

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wagnerrp:

someone needs to write a java virtual machine to run the menus

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wagnerrp:

and that's a whole mess no one wants to take on

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wagnerrp:

menus work fine for DVD ISOs though

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wisenuts:

personally, i've always ripped out the main feature and made a mkv using handbrake.

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wagnerrp:

why not just make an mkv using mkvmerge?

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wagnerrp:

it's generally already h264

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wagnerrp:

you're not going to make it any better by transcoding it right back into h264

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wagnerrp:

so there's no sense using a video transcoder like handbrake

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wagnerrp:

a simple remuxing tool will do just fine

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wisenuts:

interesting..

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wisenuts:

and the transcode takes forever.

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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mattwj2002:

anyone fimilar with a boxee box?

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mattwj2002:

does the plug and play work well with mythtv recordings?

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wagnerrp:

plug and play?

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mattwj2002:

oops

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mattwj2002:

I mean universal pnp

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wagnerrp:

as in, connect a brand new frontend to the cluster, and play?

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wagnerrp:

it works, as well as playing generic files through generic videos players can work

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mattwj2002:

I mean as being able to play recorded video through a boxee box

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mattwj2002:

okay cool wagnerrp

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mattwj2002:

I ordered a boxee box

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Mousey:

sigh

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mattwj2002:

hi Mousey

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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mattwj2002:

what is wrong

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Mousey:

i wish it was easier to figure out how to map channels

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wagnerrp:

hopefully you actually intend to use boxee, and you didn't buy it to use with mythtv

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Mousey:

like, who even has Wave Broadband in South Seattle?!

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mattwj2002:

play Internet videos mostly

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mattwj2002:

hulu, netflix, etc

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mattwj2002:

pandora (music of course)

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wagnerrp:

any suggestions for a cheap 2ch amp?

[22:54:19]

mattwj2002:

yeah mythtv was as after thought

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mattwj2002:

for the boxee

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mattwj2002:

*was an

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mattwj2002:

anyone else going to watch the presidental debate?

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kormoc:

Mousey, SD doesn't have info?

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Mousey:

idk, they didn't when it was broadband

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Mousey:

uh, s/band/stripe/

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wisenuts:

mattwj2002: thought about it

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wisenuts:

seems to be a moot point

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mattwj2002:

in what regard?

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mattwj2002:

how is watching the debate a moot point?

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wisenuts:

not sure if I buy into either canidate

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mattwj2002:

oh I don't either

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mattwj2002:

but

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mattwj2002:

it is still important if you ask me

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wisenuts:

it's a mud throwing contest.

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wisenuts:

stupid

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wisenuts:

pointless

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wisenuts:

gets little accomplished

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mattwj2002:

that is true with most political leaders these days

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mattwj2002:

congress hasn't gotten anything done in years

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wisenuts:

huge waste of time and money.

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wisenuts:

sigh.

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wisenuts:

anyone ever heard of aspxspy hack?

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mattwj2002:

what is that?

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wisenuts:

attacks an iis server by uploading a aspx:.jpg file

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wisenuts:

nasty stuff

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wisenuts:

http://sysmox.com/blog/tag/aspxspy

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mattwj2002:

iis sucks

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wisenuts:

agreed

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mattwj2002:

I hate fucking political commericals

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wisenuts:

if i delete a recording in myth does it keep the history that its been recording? to prevent duplicate recordings?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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mattwj2002:

87 programs, using 224 GB (2 days 19 hrs 7 mins) out of 1.8 TB (1.5 TB free).

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wagnerrp:

all half-hour shows?

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mattwj2002:

nope

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mattwj2002:

some are 6 hour

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mattwj2002:

some are 30 minute

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mattwj2002:

some are 1 hour

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wagnerrp:

oh, you have some of those low bitrate audio-only recordings

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mattwj2002:

no wagnerrp!

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

none of those audio only

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mattwj2002:

that is all video

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wagnerrp:

video only? how is that of any use for music?

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mattwj2002:

haha

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mattwj2002:

I meant none of it is audio only!

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mattwj2002:

I am guessing I can get a couple of weeks worth on that drive

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wisenuts:

are those re transcoded or raw recordings?

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mattwj2002:

raw recordings

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mattwj2002:

the only compression is from comcast

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mattwj2002:

they are all clear qam recordings

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wisenuts:

analog or digital?

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wagnerrp:

clear qam

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mattwj2002:

some 30 minute records are about 2.2 GB – 3 GB

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mattwj2002:

digital

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mattwj2002:

6 GB – 7 GB for 1 hour

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wisenuts:

why do you say clear qam, can't that be analog?

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wisenuts:

noob here

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wagnerrp:

no, QAM is a digital modulation scheme

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mattwj2002:

clear qam is higher quality wisenuts

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wagnerrp:

clear means unencrypted

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mattwj2002:

I probably could record in analog too but I won't get any more channels and it would be worse quality

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mattwj2002:

I just have basic cable and comcast has converted everything but basic channels to digital

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wisenuts:

what channels do you get unencrypted?

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mattwj2002:

just the ota

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mattwj2002:

CNN, WGN, maybe TBS

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mattwj2002:

public access

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mattwj2002:

home shopping networks

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mattwj2002:

maybe CSPAN (not sure)

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mattwj2002:

that is about it :)

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mattwj2002:

wisenuts

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mattwj2002:

I have cable without a cable box!

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mattwj2002:

I only have basic cable and my tv has a digital tuner

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