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Tuesday, October 2nd, 2012, 00:00 UTC
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[00:12:44] jedix: Does anyone know how to show the original air date including the year?
[00:12:51] jedix: whatever theme I have only has the day
[00:12:58] jedix: which is somewhat useless without hte year..
[00:13:17] jedix: idealy I'd want season/episode number.. but air date with year would be good.
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[00:56:04] tgm4883: jedix, the mythbuntu theme shows season/episode if it's available
[00:57:38] jedix: tgm4883: I think that's the one I'm using.
[00:57:42] jedix: no year!
[00:58:04] tgm4883: jedix, true, not that many people want the year
[00:58:16] jedix: really?
[00:58:25] jedix: it gives season..
[00:58:27] tgm4883: yea, why would you need the year?
[00:58:32] jedix: for repeats
[00:58:40] tgm4883: season/episode number is listed in the theme
[00:58:49] tgm4883: plus just sort by original air date
[00:58:50] jedix: I don't get that..
[00:59:41] tgm4883: season/episode is just shown in the lower portion, and only if it's available
[01:00:22] jedix: how is it available?
[01:00:50] tgm4883: jedix, if it's in the database, which IIRC requires there to have been a metadata lookup done on the show
[01:00:57] tgm4883: so it needs to be at thetvdb.com
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[01:13:57] jedix: odd.
[01:14:03] jedix: these shows should be in the db..
[01:14:11] jedix: perhaps I didn't see it
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[01:47:40] jedix: tgm4883: okay, so I watch a lot of shows and none of them have had the air date
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[02:02:01] BurnOut: anyone have issue with SchedulesDirect going through all the motions but ending up with an empty listings
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[02:24:24] jedix: BurnOut: no
[02:25:56] BurnOut: is there a way to dump channels to a text file, edit and reload ?
[02:27:00] jedix: dunno..
[02:27:12] jedix: I thought you set that up via a web interface?
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[02:32:39] tgm4883: jedix, where are you getting your show data
[02:32:54] jedix: justinh: nope.
[02:33:35] jedix: wasn't the extra forked myhtbackend process
[02:33:46] jedix: tgm4883: I'll check after my wife is done watching this show :)
[02:34:02] tgm4883: jedix, you don't know?
[02:34:08] tgm4883: jedix, are you in the US/Canada?
[02:34:14] jedix: Canada
[02:34:21] tgm4883: are you using schedules direct?
[02:34:23] jedix: it's either thetvdb or imdb
[02:34:24] jedix: yeah
[02:34:29] tgm4883: ok
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[02:34:37] tgm4883: as am I
[02:37:10] tgm4883: jedix, so if you are on the mythbuntu theme, there are three places with the info
[02:37:22] tgm4883: top right pane show recording date, not extremely helpful
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[02:37:47] tgm4883: bottom pane shows both season/episode and also original airdate
[02:37:59] tgm4883: neither place shows the year
[02:38:19] jedix: I don't get the season/ep
[02:38:49] jedix: I'll checkk the source
[02:39:02] tgm4883: well the source is going to be thetvdb
[02:39:21] tgm4883: have you told mythtv to lookup the metadata for recordings?
[02:39:26] jedix: oh, I thought I could change it.. might be mixing up xbmc
[02:39:44] tgm4883: jedix, tmdb is for movies, thetvdb if for tv shows
[02:39:54] jedix: I assume so.. it grabs pictures and show descriptions
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[02:40:05] tgm4883: ok
[02:40:07] jedix: ah, xbmc you can change it
[02:40:20] tgm4883: that.... doesn't make any sense
[02:40:46] tgm4883: what version of the theme are you on?
[02:41:21] jedix: I just updated
[02:41:24] jedix: like 25.29?
[02:42:00] tgm4883: ok it should show it then if it's available
[02:42:06] tgm4883: IDK where in the database that is kept though
[02:42:37] tgm4883: can you grab a screenshot of the recordings screen with an episode highlighted
[02:43:04] jedix: yeah, when this show finishes :)
[02:43:10] tgm4883: *an episode that has grabbed the pictures and show descriptions
[02:43:11] tgm4883: ok
[02:44:29] jedix: thanks, I'll get asap
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[03:21:12] jedix: tgm4883: http://jebus.ca/~jedix/screenshot.png
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[03:22:30] tgm4883: jedix, I thought you said that it grabbed a picture and description?
[03:22:59] jedix: hrm, I thought it did..
[03:24:22] jedix: tgm4883: where do I enable thetvdb lookup stuff?
[03:25:07] tgm4883: jedix, it's in the recording schedule
[03:25:10] tgm4883: metadata lookup
[03:26:41] jedix: I can't even find recording schedule..
[03:27:58] tgm4883: jedix, a v25 theme with a recording with metadata looks like http://imagebin.org/230590
[03:28:15] BurnOut: tgm4883 .. any thoughts .. added the xmlids for all the channels .. ran mythfill and still no data in the listings
[03:28:54] tgm4883: BurnOut, what do the logs look like for the mythfilldatabase run
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[03:29:50] tgm4883: jedix, you set the lookup via your recording schedules
[03:29:55] tgm4883: it's a per schedule lookup
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[03:32:30] jedix: oh
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[03:33:29] jedix: tgm4883: if I go into metadata options, there's no setting to tell it to grab this info..
[03:34:37] jedix: where do I set "inetrefs"
[03:34:54] jedix: ah, found it!
[03:34:57] tgm4883: it's not in the metadata options, if in where you set your recording schedule
[03:35:10] jedix: "metadata lookup" under post-processsing
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[03:35:29] BurnOut: http://pastebin.com/CE0Lba2P <-- my mythfill log
[03:35:34] jedix: tgm4883: thank you and sorry for giving incorrect data
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[03:42:12] jedix: well, that's working well.. except for the porn pictures that were pulled up for "the mentalist"
[03:42:46] tgm4883: jedix, IIRC, that is a but in the lookup. I think wagnerrp fixed that in 0.26
[03:43:00] tgm4883: BurnOut, I don't see anything wrong with that :(
[03:43:18] jedix: tgm4883: ..anyway to remove the set fan art?
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[03:44:11] tgm4883: but... free porn?
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[03:44:26] jedix: it's a picture.
[03:44:49] tgm4883: yea I'm trying to think how to fix that
[03:44:54] jedix: the day high speed was invented, we all stopped waiting for pictures to load and began the wait on movies.
[03:47:20] BurnOut: bummer
[03:48:39] jedix: castle still doesn't have metadata info
[03:49:33] tgm4883: jedix, might try looking up http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /335910.html
[03:50:14] jedix: tgm4883: I set it to local copies of some stuff, it's fine.. although it didn't take the first few times
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[03:55:23] BurnOut: tgm4883 .. in mythtv-setup what does the useonairguide mean ?
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[03:55:55] tgm4883: BurnOut, I think that is for EIT data
[03:56:00] tgm4883: which you shouldn't use in the US
[03:56:27] BurnOut: hmmm wonder if that is my problem
[03:57:06] jedix: tbh, I think removing adult content is the right call.. a little checkbox that people who record porn need to find sounds better than the alternative
[03:58:24] tgm4883: jedix, I think the new version filters it out
[03:58:48] tgm4883: jedix, IIRC, the bug was it finds the inetref on thetvdb, then pulls pictures from tmdb.org
[03:59:28] tgm4883: IIRC the fix is to set season/episode to 1/1 in the recording schedule
[04:08:30] BurnOut: useonairguide is off and this is my log http://pastebin.com/yV2sxw3P
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[04:31:31] wagnerrp: jedix, tgm4883: as i understand it... the problem is that it picks up an inetref from tvdb, failed to pick up season and episode for the subtitle, and drops back to tmdb for data using the tvdb inetref
[04:31:39] wagnerrp: i dont recall anyone fixing that
[04:45:59] wagnerrp: so im watching revolution... and im curious one, if there's no electricity, due to some alteration in the basic laws of nature, what runs the electrochemical neural pathways in our bodies... and two, there's still a whole crapton of stuff you can accomplish with good old steam tech, mechanical linkages, and some creativity
[04:47:17] wagnerrp: hell, you could still run jet engines just fine without electricity
[04:47:57] wagnerrp: they're just not going to be as lightweight or efficient without FADEC controls
[04:48:41] wagnerrp: you could certainly do diesels
[04:48:52] wagnerrp: and there's no reason you couldn't run oil pumps for that fuel
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[05:04:44] tmonkeype69: alot of volcanic activity to use as energy
[05:04:51] tmonkeype69: I think the AI hates humans.
[05:05:27] tmonkeype69: Mr smith just likes to toy with humans.
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[12:44:34] nkuebelbeck: I'm getting some shows cut off really early while recording. So, instead of being 60 min long, they are 10–15 min long. Can I get a hand troubleshooting this?
[12:44:49] nkuebelbeck: running 12.04
[12:44:52] nkuebelbeck: myth .25
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[13:46:23] Kelerion: well... it's only taken 3 years... but I finally have a myth box up and running again! woot!
[13:47:13] Kelerion: just a pity spanish tv sucks
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[13:52:04] stuartm: heh
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[13:54:08] stuartm: Kelerion: you can't pick up Freesat from there? I know they recently tightened the spot beam, so probably not ...
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[15:15:33] EGTuba: Hey everyone, I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction in terms of using the IR port on my Hauppauge tuner (PVR-150) to work with my DirecTV D-11?
[15:17:58] jams: EGTuba- the pvr-150 has a builtin set of codes and only those codes can be used.
[15:18:16] jams: the first step would be to see if it knows about your directtv box
[15:20:29] EGTuba: how can I test that? just by trying to change channels through mythtv with an ir blaster plugged into the card?
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[15:23:10] jams: here is the codeset http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/IRcodesets.html
[15:25:06] jams: my advice is to buy a seperate transmitter and use it. IR has never been hauppauges strong spot...just my .02
[15:25:54] EGTuba: its only a few dollars, but I had an ir blaster laying around from my Revue box, so thought it was worth looking into
[15:25:58] EGTuba: thanks for the help
[15:28:36] jams: sure
[15:28:41] jayage: quick google search turned up this:
[15:28:42] jayage: http://forums.gbpvr.com/archive/index.php/t-1 . . . 874de88a3e6b
[15:28:52] jayage: so there is a hope for you
[15:31:11] jayage: combining the 2 links, it looks like you might want to try codeset 125
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[15:33:50] EGTuba: where would i put 125? I am running mythbuntu. The second link is a driver that looks like its for windows
[15:34:29] jayage: that driver file is not important
[15:35:13] jayage: 2 posts from that guy are, because he says he used same codes for d11, originally meant for d10
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[15:36:02] devinheitmueller: jams: it's true. Much of that is historical – Hauppauge had to support IR reception/transmitting before it was practical to just send the entire waveform over the bus in realtime.
[15:36:47] jayage: as to how to use the codes, look at http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/lircd.conf
[15:37:26] Kelerion: stuartm: it's TDT (Spanish DVB)
[15:37:35] devinheitmueller: I did a bunch of work on the Zilog to support learning and blasting learned codes, but it never made it into the upstream kernel.
[15:37:58] jayage: so say 0 should be then 1_125_KEY_0
[15:37:58] jams: devinheitmueller- good to know there is a reason for it :)
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[15:38:58] devinheitmueller: All said though, I also just tell people to spend $20 and buy an MCEUSB device.  ;-)
[15:39:28] jams: yep
[15:39:41] jams: or streamzap , serial device or commandir
[15:39:56] EGTuba: well, thanks yall for the help, looks like the IR port is dead on the card
[15:40:08] EGTuba: maybe why it was so cheap on ebay
[15:40:14] jams: hehe
[15:40:16] jayage: ;)
[15:40:32] EGTuba: looks like someone took a drill bit to it
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[15:42:58] EGTuba: so, would someone recommend the serial cable connection, or the IR
[15:43:09] EGTuba: it looks like the usb port on the d-11 is connected to the internet
[15:43:17] EGTuba: there is a dongle attached
[15:43:25] devinheitmueller: EGTuba: a drill bit? Really? I would love to see a pic of that...
[15:44:28] EGTuba: its just an empty socket
[15:44:59] EGTuba: its hard to tell, but there is no contacts on the inside
[15:46:06] EGTuba: drillbit was an assumption
[15:47:07] devinheitmueller: EGTuba: wait, are you talking about the Hauppauge device?
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[15:51:17] EGTuba: the d-11 has the dongle to the internet
[15:51:45] EGTuba: directv's box
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[17:14:41] Bummed: anyone seen a case where mythfilldatabase appears to run without error and the listings remain empty ?
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[17:19:14] jams: did it report any errors while running?
[17:19:37] wagnerrp: are your XMLTV IDs defined?
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[17:26:12] Bummed: no errors reported and I manually set all the xmltvids through the web interface
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[17:40:19] stuartm: there should be something in the mythfilldatabase log, pay particular attention to the bit at the start where it talks about which sources it'd getting data for and how many channels
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[17:41:40] Bummed: give me a moment to double check
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[18:12:21] wizbit: yesterady, i git pulled, now i keep on getting this:
[18:12:22] wizbit: 00007f84b9ff9770 error 6 in libmythtv-0.25.so.0.25.0[7f84d2980000+918000]
[18:12:24] wizbit: arghghghghhgh
[18:14:37] devinheitmueller: Well that will teach you.  ;-)
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[18:16:39] wizbit: jesus
[18:16:44] wizbit: one of my frontends is filled with
[18:16:44] wizbit: /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session
[18:16:56] wizbit: mythtv 32745 0.0 0.0 2656 108 ? Ss 15:23 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session
[18:17:00] wizbit: arghghghhgh
[18:17:21] ** wizbit feels like a scared cat **
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[18:24:06] stuartm: wizbit: make distclean, then rebuild and reinstall
[18:24:30] wizbit: ok :)
[18:24:58] wizbit: stuartm: sometimes i forget to clean before compiling my backend
[18:28:37] stuartm: you don't always have to clean, but it can help in the case of strange errors/crashes
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[18:38:34] Bummed: think I found it.. :-( think it is a schedules direct issue with my account
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[19:17:24] justinh: well, seems my last tweak to mysql actually made things worse
[19:17:48] justinh: wish tuning mysql was less of a black art
[19:18:29] Bummed: tuning any db is a black art
[19:20:00] kormoc: not at all! It's all about measurement to figure out what to tune :)
[19:20:15] justinh: ok then.. I wish measuring wasn't so ... elusive
[19:20:35] justinh: already tried using 'recommended' mythtv style mysql settings.. didn't help any
[19:20:56] kormoc: justinh, whatcha after specifically?
[19:20:56] justinh: tempted to just upgrade mysql & see if a different version fares any better
[19:21:11] kormoc: 5.5 will perform better then 5.1
[19:21:14] justinh: kormoc: anything big, like the scheduler.. aches
[19:21:19] justinh: 6.5 secs for the scheduler
[19:21:32] justinh: time search takes > 30 secs
[19:21:32] kormoc: innodb or myisam?
[19:21:39] justinh: got a mixture here
[19:21:55] Bummed: I've been tuning dbs (oracle, sysbase, informix, DB2, mysql and postgres) since the early 90's and it is still a black art .. gotten alot easier but still a black art
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[19:22:44] kormoc: justinh, is it io bound or cpu bound or neither?
[19:23:02] Bummed: or both
[19:23:23] justinh: kormoc: doesn't seem to be either
[19:23:59] justinh: I resorted to trying to put the mysql data on a different partition with no boundaries (ext4) & that didn't help either
[19:24:07] kormoc: justinh, you might want to move everything to innodb as a first step. Mixed engine stuff gets complex
[19:24:44] justinh: am I right in thinking that if you don't say which engine to use when you create a table, mysql decides for you?
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[19:25:22] kormoc: Yes, although it's a configureable setting, 5.1 and below default to myisam, 5.5+ is innodb
[19:25:35] wagnerrp: i could stand to upgrade my DB
[19:25:49] wagnerrp: i don't think ive touched it since FBSD 7.x
[19:27:53] justinh: oof. all but one or 2 tables are myisam
[19:28:10] wagnerrp: all of mythtv should be myisam
[19:28:30] bas-t: Where should I file a bug for mythweb?
[19:28:31] wagnerrp: intentionally, since innodb has such poor default configuration
[19:28:35] wagnerrp: on trac
[19:28:53] wagnerrp: same place you file all other bugs
[19:28:56] justinh: wagnerrp: poor configuration how?
[19:29:12] wagnerrp: woefully inadequate buffering
[19:29:22] kormoc: justinh, you *need* to configure a bunch of settings before you get decent performance, but once you do, it can really shine
[19:29:36] kormoc: but then, with consumer hardware, it's not always going to be able to do much
[19:29:45] justinh: well, I've been playing with cache settings & stuff & it hasn't got me far
[19:30:05] kormoc: with innodb, the main one is the buffer pool, followed by the log size
[19:30:12] wagnerrp: for example... i was playing around with migrating trac from sqlite to mysql
[19:30:16] justinh: another option is nuking the database & starting again
[19:30:24] EvilGuru: Anyone else on freesat have trouble with BBC HD and BBC ONE HD since they switched to 8psk?
[19:30:29] wagnerrp: differences between the two meant i had to translate it rather than directly load
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[19:30:42] justinh: a previous backend on much lesser hardware was way faster, I seem to remember
[19:30:47] wagnerrp: with the stock configuration built into mysql, it was about 25 minutes into the conversion before i terminated it
[19:31:03] wagnerrp: loading up the "medium" sample configuration, it completed in under two minutes
[19:31:25] wagnerrp: but memory consumption went from a stock couple dozen MB, to a couple hundred MB
[19:31:31] justinh: oof
[19:31:46] justinh: I can probably live with higher memory use though
[19:31:55] wagnerrp: on the other hand, if you've got the memory, you may as well use it
[19:32:09] justinh: backend has 3GB. Old one only had 512MB
[19:32:50] kormoc: justinh, did you try mysqltuner.pl yet?
[19:33:07] wagnerrp: is that the one with its own website?
[19:33:08] kormoc: that's really the low hanging fruit
[19:33:12] kormoc: yeah
[19:33:18] justinh: I'll try it again & see what it says
[19:35:46] justinh: [!!] Total fragmented tables: 35
[19:36:07] justinh: [!!] Joins performed without indexes: 1726
[19:36:19] justinh: [!!] Table cache hit rate: 1% (128 open / 8K opened)
[19:36:48] justinh: says to increase the join_buffer_size, and set table_cache to > 128
[19:36:56] stuartm: EvilGuru: not noticed any problems, when did they switch?
[19:37:01] wagnerrp: well those joins without indexes, that's a potential schema issue
[19:37:06] EvilGuru: stuartm: 27th
[19:37:23] EvilGuru: I've changed the modulation and fec in the DB but no luck
[19:37:42] stuartm: I've had several recordings since then without issue, haven't done any rescans
[19:37:47] justinh: wagnerrp: oh?
[19:38:28] justinh: wagnerrp: fwiw this database isn't quite fresh & crispy. It's pretty much the same database I've had since I started, give or take a bunch of upgrades
[19:38:51] EvilGuru: stuartm: On BBC HD or BBC ONE HD?
[19:38:57] EvilGuru: "DVBChan(7:/dev/dvb/adapter102/frontend0): Selected fec_inner parameter unsupported by this driver" is the error
[19:39:00] stuartm: EvilGuru: watching BBC One HD live atm (for testing, not because I like watching corny soaps)
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[19:39:09] EvilGuru: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/posts/bbc-hd
[19:39:16] wagnerrp: no, probably something else... what im thinking doesnt make any sense why mysqltuner would know anything about the structure of the data to make complaints about the schema
[19:39:40] stuartm: EvilGuru: BBC HD is working fine too
[19:39:41] kormoc: wagnerrp, all it's reporting is on a counter. It all depends on the queries being run
[19:39:53] stuartm: EvilGuru: set it to auto
[19:40:04] EvilGuru: stuartm: the fec or the modulation?
[19:40:06] justinh: AFAIK not all the tables used in mythtv have indexes
[19:40:13] wagnerrp: oh, its not testing anything itself
[19:40:25] wagnerrp: yeah, schema problems then
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[19:40:45] kormoc: wagnerrp, yeah, it's just reporting on counters, nothing more
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[19:40:58] wagnerrp: at least if those queries are being performed frequently
[19:41:03] justinh: I've read it's not optimal having unindexed tables, but then it's not always convenient
[19:41:31] wagnerrp: well each new index means more stored data, and more processing on modifications
[19:41:48] justinh: and very few people would willingly want to optimise the scheduler Q ;-)
[19:41:49] wagnerrp: you process once now, as opposed to processing multiple times later
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[19:42:24] stuartm: EvilGuru: auto for fec, qpsk for modulation
[19:42:37] EvilGuru: stuartm: But the beeb say it has moved to 8psk
[19:42:47] wagnerrp: with how often we run the scheduler, i still think it would be advantageous to pre-compute repeats
[19:43:02] justinh: weird thing is that I cut the number of recordings per tuner back from 5 to 2 & gained a 4.5 sec improvement in the scheduling time – but then moved back to 5 recordings per tuner & it didn't really impact the scheduler time
[19:43:43] wagnerrp: did you reorder them properly? or just set all your tuners back to 5?
[19:43:44] stuartm: EvilGuru: yeah, but try it anyway
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[19:44:06] stuartm: since I'm not sure the driver actually sees those as different
[19:44:09] justinh: I've started thinking about putting a notification into mythfrontend to say the request to schedule has been acknowleged. I couldn't care how long the scheduler takes really
[19:44:39] kormoc: justinh, do you have power schedules or similar?
[19:44:41] wagnerrp: the problem is that long scheduler runs can disrupt upcoming recordings
[19:44:46] EvilGuru: stuartm: Still DVBChan(7:/dev/dvb/adapter102/frontend0): Selected fec_inner parameter unsupported by this driver.
[19:44:54] justinh: kormoc: a couple
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[19:45:05] kormoc: those could be doing it then, depending on how they're written
[19:45:10] justinh: kormoc: most are 'on this channel' or 'this timeslot'
[19:45:25] kormoc: I mean the raw sql queries ones
[19:45:35] justinh: program.title like "%book%of%the%week" is about as complex as I get
[19:45:49] EvilGuru: stuartm: That is with fec as 'auto' and a Nova S2 card on Ubuntu 12.04
[19:45:51] justinh: they keep munging the bloomin titles
[19:45:51] kormoc: oof, that's a horrible one ;)
[19:46:08] stuartm: EvilGuru: um, something is really screwy there then, try deleting the mux and rescanning?
[19:46:20] justinh: kormoc: I made podcasts of BBC Radio 4 recordings
[19:46:21] kormoc: justinh, that one won't use any indexes due to the left wild, so that could be all your unindexed joins
[19:46:30] justinh: kormoc: oh bugger
[19:46:44] justinh: this is all great stuff to know though :-)
[19:46:56] stuartm: devinheitmueller: as our resident driver dev, any thoughts on EvilGuru's problem?
[19:47:13] ** devinheitmueller hasn't been paying attention and scrolls up.... **
[19:48:07] justinh: righto. trimmed the leading % & adjusted the case
[19:48:25] devinheitmueller: stuartm: what was it trying to set it to? Maybe the board doesn't support a fec_inner of AUTO?
[19:48:36] stuartm: EvilGuru: with my Tevii DVB-S2 everything still works without changing a thing
[19:48:50] devinheitmueller: Also, which board is it?
[19:49:07] justinh: heh still 6.4 secs
[19:49:13] EvilGuru: Hold on a second, just let me check what table I diddled in the DB
[19:49:20] stuartm: devinheitmueller: his board is the NOVA-S2, he was trying a fec of 2/3
[19:49:29] devinheitmueller: Hmmm....
[19:49:38] ** devinheitmueller takes a quick peek at the git. **
[19:49:55] devinheitmueller: Nova-S2 is the dib0700, right?
[19:50:01] EvilGuru: Turns out all that glitters is not gold, I was messing with the channelscan table, changing the dtv_multiplex table fixes it
[19:50:17] EvilGuru: So FEC from 8/9 => 2/3 and mod from QPSK => 8PSK and it now works
[19:50:21] ** EvilGuru is a moron **
[19:50:28] devinheitmueller: Ah.
[19:50:35] devinheitmueller: np
[19:50:44] EvilGuru: Can mythtv not detect these automatically?
[19:51:00] stuartm: EvilGuru: when scanning yes
[19:51:21] stuartm: but it doesn't check it and update during normal operation
[19:51:42] EvilGuru: stuartm: If you have not rescanned, and it is working, then I wonder what values you have in your DB?
[19:51:47] stuartm: http://pastebin.com/2Ly2vjWi
[19:52:18] EvilGuru: Hmm, seems as if 'auto' wins over an explicit FEC
[19:52:34] EvilGuru: And modulation does not seem to matter (as the beeb are now on 8psk)
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[19:54:19] stuartm: depends on the driver/hardware maybe
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[20:02:05] justinh: is mysqltuner.pl drunk? I'm changing variables it recommends & it's not seeing the changes
[20:03:32] stuartm: justinh: restarted mysqld?
[20:04:24] justinh: no I'm doing it on the commandline, inside mysql :-)
[20:04:35] clever: using set global or just set?
[20:04:54] justinh: depends if they're globals or not
[20:05:30] clever: the per-connection stuff obviously wont cross over to the mysqltuner connection
[20:06:33] kormoc: justinh, it's better to change them in my.cnf, restart, let it run a few days and see what's changed
[20:07:26] justinh: heh. typical
[20:07:36] justinh: it had to be a long game didn't it?
[20:07:47] clever: it heavily depends on the variable your changing, often simpler to just restart it
[20:08:50] justinh: well duh, but I'm not restarting mysql just now
[20:08:52] justinh: :-)
[20:09:20] clever: some things like cache or buffer sizes will have an impact on the hit rates, which will only update well if left to run normaly
[20:09:35] clever: so while you can sometimes bypass the restart, you still need ot wait a few days
[20:09:51] justinh: yeah but I was trying to see if what I was changing would make a difference to what mysqltuner.pl was suggesting
[20:10:21] justinh: not the actual stuff like cache hit results etc
[20:10:48] justinh: I bumped the join buffer size up & then it whined I was dangerously low on RAM
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[20:17:42] justinh: there. ran optimize_wossname.pl
[20:17:52] justinh: only 10 fragmented tables now
[20:21:37] justinh: and now I have a cron job to do that, at long LONG last
[20:21:59] justinh: jees, here I am complaining that the scheduler takes a long time & I'm not even optimising the database like I thought I was
[20:22:44] justinh: schedule run.. 6.1secs now. wonder if I have any more dodgy custom items
[20:23:38] justinh: meh.. I'll just cancel the BoTW recordings. can't remember the last time I even looked in my DVB radio directory
[20:26:34] dth_: hmm.
[20:26:49] dth_: is there any solution for a mythtv frontend on the raspberry pi, yet?
[20:27:02] dth_: expecially since one could retrofit the gpu-accelerated MPEG codec?
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[20:27:31] justinh: dth_: beats me why anybody would want to run such a lovely frontend on such a low-memory platform
[20:27:53] clever: dth_: would need to add support for the gpu decode to mythtv, and it would still not have much ram avail for themes
[20:27:53] justinh: FWIW I've seen XBMC on there & it wasn't quite the fluid experience you'd get on a real computer
[20:28:27] justinh: do away with ui animation, large artwork...
[20:28:35] justinh: possibly even all artwork
[20:28:47] clever: may help to just use a custom theme just for the pi, ultra-low ram
[20:28:56] justinh: heh. all text
[20:29:05] justinh: but in mythui not even text is just text :P
[20:29:24] clever: would need to study why a theme uses ram, does myth cache the uncompressed form of the image?
[20:29:35] justinh: yeah
[20:29:42] clever: ok, so solid colors wont help
[20:29:52] justinh: nor will jpeg :P
[20:29:53] clever: and its caching it after scaling to full screen res?
[20:30:08] justinh: after scaling to whatever res it's displayed at, yes
[20:30:19] clever: so a 1x1 pixel solid color wont help any either
[20:30:26] justinh: cached to disk, loaded into RAM IIRC
[20:30:39] dth_: justinh: well, all I want is the video / the tv stream.
[20:30:48] clever: only remaining idea, 640x480 menu, then switch res for playback
[20:30:55] dth_: I do not want to waste a high amount of wattage just for animations.
[20:30:58] justinh: dth_: so how would you control it? by the power of your mind?
[20:31:05] clever: reduce the size of the images being used for the ui/cache
[20:31:16] dth_: justinh: no need to be offensive. smartphones are a control option.
[20:31:23] clever: dth_: currently, i just ssh in from another computer and manualy run omxplayer
[20:31:33] clever: havent bothered to make myth work yet
[20:31:37] justinh: raspberry pi is great for all kinds of things, but a media playback frontend is not one of them
[20:32:03] justinh: well, maybe audio – but even that might be somewhat tenuous, given how badly the analogue audio sucks apparently
[20:32:15] clever: it also supports hdmi audio
[20:32:25] justinh: that's my plan for my pi when it finally arrives in almost december. networked audio player
[20:32:42] clever: weird, mine arrived in ~10 days
[20:32:45] justinh: less hassle than futzing about with openwrt & godknows what
[20:32:48] dth_: justinh: did you order it from RS components or farnell?
[20:32:49] clever: aug 1st -> 10th
[20:32:51] justinh: RS
[20:32:57] dth_: I did, too.
[20:32:57] clever: element14 here
[20:32:58] dth_: in june ..
[20:33:02] justinh: ordered approx aug 15th
[20:33:03] dth_: they mailed me about a delay.
[20:33:06] dth_: i can expect it in november.
[20:33:16] dth_: I then ordered it from farnell/element14 and got it within 2 weeks.
[20:34:31] clever: i was using it as an external gpu (kinda) at a hotel a few days ago
[20:34:41] clever: the pi was connected to the netbook via ethernet
[20:34:48] clever: (and powered off the netbook usb ports)
[20:35:02] clever: then the netbook performed NAT to get it on wifi, and to access the NFS share on the laptop
[20:35:03] dth_: ah, so it does run off usb-ports power? ;-)
[20:35:16] dth_: I was kinda surprised that they stressed the 2A 5V power supply so much.
[20:35:19] clever: dth_: depends on how much current it draws and if the source can provide enough
[20:35:24] dth_: true.
[20:35:26] devinheitmueller: The only upside if we ever get around to an omx interface for mythfrontend is that more and more vendors are using it.
[20:35:48] dth_: so .. omx .. is that just for running media files on it? or is it also a possibility for lifestream?
[20:35:52] justinh: oh I know.. TEN watts, jees, I can just picture the icecaps melting.. :P
[20:35:54] clever: dth_: i wasnt putting any wifi dongles on it, so it didnt have to deal with the usb port currents at all (100mA each)
[20:36:31] devinheitmueller: dth_: you feed it the stream --whether it comes from a file or the network is up to the application.
[20:36:36] clever: devinheitmueller: i find it weird that they made their own player, why not just patch mplayer like nvidia did?
[20:36:39] devinheitmueller: (e.g. not defined in the omx spec)
[20:37:06] devinheitmueller: clever: target audience. They didn't build it for hobbyists.
[20:37:21] devinheitmueller: Extending mplayer to support omx is way more work than just hacking up some omx sample code.
[20:37:39] justinh: they've been shocked to discover how many people are (mis)using em ;-)
[20:37:46] clever: devinheitmueller: kinda forces them to re-invent all the input layer, since it doesnt support lirc or joysticks, and has no mouse, and barely any keyboard support
[20:37:59] devinheitmueller: justinh: I'm talking about Broadcom, not the Raspberry Pi people.
[20:38:39] clever: another weird thing, is how it completely bypasses the X server
[20:38:42] justinh: heh..
[20:38:58] clever: if you dont know what your doing, you can alt+tab away from the terminal, and loose control of the player
[20:38:59] devinheitmueller: You have to remember, the *VAST* majority of these chips are being used in set top boxes. The fact that some hobbyists built a design and sold a few thousand boards is 0.01% of their actual user base.
[20:39:06] clever: and have no way to see your way back
[20:39:14] justinh: devinheitmueller: true, they're a vendor who won't even entertain you until you promise you'll be shifting $$$$$$$ units
[20:39:38] justinh: and even then it's all on their terms.. which in commerce terms is good sense
[20:39:42] clever: so omxplayer was made by broadcom, not the pi group?
[20:39:43] devinheitmueller: justinh: correct. Even with what you see as huge numbers for the Pi, I'm impressed they got Broadcom's attention at all.
[20:40:21] justinh: they didn't, according to an email I've seen... BC have been reallocating chips apparently, hence the pi scarcity
[20:40:23] devinheitmueller: clever: I would guess it's probably some reference code hacked into a simple app. But I haven't seen the code so I cannot say. That's just how this stuff is *typically* done.
[20:40:58] clever: devinheitmueller: ive seen the sample app, and it doesnt even have input controls
[20:41:15] devinheitmueller: justinh: getting a device to market that uses one of these chips requires a surprisingly *huge* amount of support from the chip vendor. Whether you think it's true or not, Broadcom did spend a good bit of money on providing support to the Pi people.
[20:41:15] justinh: look at the XBMC code if you wanna know :-)
[20:41:20] dth_: clever: isnt the head of the raspberry pi foundation a broadcom guy?
[20:41:31] clever: dth_: i believe so
[20:41:44] justinh: devinheitmueller: oh I know. I work for a company who use a variety of DSPs..
[20:42:09] devinheitmueller: I'm just saying let's think twice before criticizing Broadcom for not doing enough for the Pi community.
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[20:42:43] justinh: was I criticising them? not my intent
[20:43:15] clever: which would be better, adding the pi gpu decode to mplayer, or directly to ffmpeg?
[20:43:36] wagnerrp: you know, it would have been worthwhile to double the cost and stuff an 8Gb module on that thing...
[20:43:50] justinh: the head of the pi foundation had to do a lot of graft to convince his employer .. and it makes a great change that such a manufacturer even pondered such a move
[20:43:51] wagnerrp: rather than the measily 2Gb one they used
[20:44:14] justinh: probably could do with 4x the RAM too
[20:44:22] wagnerrp: erm...
[20:44:41] justinh: but that might be tricky getting in the package size they need to put on top of the CPU
[20:44:58] wagnerrp: yes, they get an 8Gb module, rather than the 2Gb module they used
[20:45:04] dth_: can the broadcom SoC even handle more than 2G ram?
[20:45:05] EvilGuru: Isn't the arm chip quite outdated?
[20:45:20] EvilGuru: As in from an instruction set support standpoint
[20:45:29] wagnerrp: yeah, it's an older ARM11, a v6 core
[20:45:35] justinh: hang on, the pi has 2GB? since when?
[20:45:39] dth_: well, x86 is quite a hack nowadays anyways.
[20:45:56] dth_: arm is at least streamlined. and i think you can do great things with it.
[20:45:57] wagnerrp: the Pi has a 2Gb stacked on top of the CPU
[20:46:06] clever: justinh: i thought it was 512mb
[20:46:17] wagnerrp: dth_: x86 hasn't been x86 for a decade
[20:46:20] justinh: oh stupid me. B vs b again
[20:46:21] dth_: true
[20:46:54] wagnerrp: it's all a fairly RISC core, with microcode running on top to translate the x86 instruction set into it
[20:47:08] justinh: anyway, if the analogue audio is up to snuff without crackling & popping as reported lately, it'll make a mighty nice phone controlled MPD/whatever player
[20:47:26] justinh: tempting to look at those silly 'stick PC' thingies on DX.com
[20:47:38] justinh: way more ram, better CPU.. not much more money than the pi
[20:47:42] clever: justinh: from what ive see, the analog audio out is just a PWM dac
[20:48:02] dth_: justinh: if the analogue audios is acting up, there is still the possibility of a usb soundcard.
[20:48:08] clever: dth_: yep
[20:48:09] justinh: dth_: yeah I know that
[20:48:16] justinh: £2 on ebay or so
[20:48:19] dth_: yeah.
[20:48:32] ** dth_ was originally planning to use the pi on a possibly ar.drone 2 **
[20:48:58] dth_: but then again, that thing has a linux system already running, using a second one doesn't look that smart.
[20:49:04] wagnerrp: ar drone?
[20:49:16] justinh: I've said this repeatedly here before – I used to rely on HW accelerated video playback – which was all fine when it worked.. but not having enough CPU grunt when it wasn't... erm.. sucked
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[20:50:15] dth_: wagnerrp: it's an impressive quad-rotor flying thingie.
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[20:50:42] wagnerrp: i assumed as much, but i can't think of any reasonable expansion for the acronym "AR"
[20:50:49] dth_: justinh: yeah .. i hear you. i used to have an intel core2duo that had no VDPAU capable graphic card.
[20:51:01] dth_: wagnerrp: its just a name .. the company is named parrot.
[20:51:09] wagnerrp: autonomous reconnaissance?
[20:51:15] dth_: artificial reality maybe? they offer control via smartphones and wlan.
[20:51:20] dth_: might be, yeah.
[20:51:22] justinh: augmented reality, prolly
[20:51:27] dth_: *augmented.
[20:51:28] dth_: right
[20:51:41] wagnerrp: but it's not "augmented reality" unless it overlays crap on top of your normal sight
[20:51:43] dth_: I was so glad when I compiled myself an mplayer+ffmpeg that could use two cores.
[20:51:45] wagnerrp: meaning a head mounted display
[20:51:45] dth_: finally 1080p
[20:51:58] dth_: wagnerrp: you can have it overlay the height profile and other thinsg
[20:52:10] wagnerrp: personally, i've never been enamored with the whole multi-rotor fad
[20:52:19] wagnerrp: give me a proper collective
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[20:53:09] wagnerrp: more complex mechanically, but more efficient and simpler electronically
[20:53:51] wagnerrp: your speed controller only has to be designed for one RPM on the motor
[20:54:22] clever: ive seen some designs that use a swash plate to adjust the pitch of the blades
[20:54:40] clever: allows you to change the thrust faster (no need to speed up/down the mass of the prop)
[20:54:46] clever: and can even go full reverse
[20:55:16] wagnerrp: if you're going to add the mechanical complexity of a swashplate (cyclic/collective), you may as well ditch the quadrotor
[20:55:49] wagnerrp: the whole point of the quadrotor is to use multiple rotors for directional control so you don't have to deal with the more complex, traditional controls
[20:55:53] clever: i think that one could only adjust the pitch for the entire thing, not for the 4 corners like a normal copter
[20:56:21] clever: more like adjusting the pitch on a normal plane rotor, one alone cant do direction control
[20:56:23] wagnerrp: in other words, just the collective
[20:56:36] wagnerrp: it only had one axis of control, rather than two
[20:57:36] wagnerrp: makes sense, since you really don't gain anything with cyclic control if your rotor is not near the centerline
[20:57:48] wagnerrp: but it's not any less mechanically complex
[20:58:16] clever: the main bonus is how quickly you can adjust the rate of thrust
[20:58:23] clever: because you dont have to change the actual speed
[20:58:43] wagnerrp: if you want that, go with a single rotor
[20:58:53] wagnerrp: much more thrust, much more efficient
[20:59:08] clever: and it can go in reverse
[20:59:20] justinh: oh yeah.. this... might be rank... http://dx.com/p/android-4-0-mini-pc-google-tv . . . e-4gb-137012
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[20:59:41] clever: seen it before, pretty neat
[20:59:45] wagnerrp: quadrotors can't even begin to touch the maneuverability of a single rotor
[21:01:31] clever: wagnerrp: can a single rotor do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRTALJp8DM
[21:02:17] wagnerrp: sure, why couldn't it?
[21:03:38] wagnerrp: the cyclic control on a traditional helicopter gives you ever bit as much authority as multiple rotors
[21:03:52] wagnerrp: the bulk of the thrust comes from the outer ring
[21:04:07] wagnerrp: so your moment arm is just as large as a comparably sized quad rotor
[21:04:22] wagnerrp: except where the quadrotor allows you control over the thrust at four points
[21:04:38] wagnerrp: the cyclic gives you control over the thrust at an infinite number of points
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[21:05:00] wagnerrp: you pitch the swash plate, thrust goes up in one direction, down in the opposite
[21:05:25] wagnerrp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bFLSaeoQs4
[21:05:27] dth_: <wagnerrp> except where the quadrotor allows you control over the thrust at four points <-- the ar.drone would give you that.
[21:05:49] dth_: it has inbuild programs for flipping over, using two rotors in reverse, etc.
[21:05:56] wagnerrp: so?
[21:05:59] dth_: but yeah, more complex electronics.
[21:06:07] dth_: it has four arm chips running each motor ....
[21:06:19] wagnerrp: take a look at some of the competition RC helicopters
[21:06:34] wagnerrp: see if you think there is anything a quadrotor can do that they cant
[21:06:46] clever: wagnerrp: damn!
[21:07:00] wagnerrp: bbl
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[22:01:10] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: wow, the recaptcha didn't help much, eh?
[22:11:57] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller: what do you mean?
[22:12:13] devinheitmueller: Nine new users created in the last 24 hours.
[22:12:20] devinheitmueller: (followed by zero actual edits)
[22:12:29] devinheitmueller: Seems like it's not working.
[22:12:48] wagnerrp: compare that to sept 26, before the change
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[22:13:19] devinheitmueller: Ah, fair enough.
[22:13:39] devinheitmueller: Can you see the IPs? Are they coming from unique sources?
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[22:16:29] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GPK5xNJj
[22:16:53] devinheitmueller: hmmm...
[22:17:01] wagnerrp: looks like only one repeat IP out of the lot
[22:17:35] devinheitmueller: Are we looking at the same dump?
[22:17:38] devinheitmueller: I see lots of repeats.
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[22:17:45] wagnerrp: last 30 users... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dzjXxVLF
[22:17:52] kormoc: wagnerrp, they're all repeats
[22:18:03] wagnerrp: yes, but only one in the last few days
[22:18:11] devinheitmueller: ah, ok.
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[22:18:23] wagnerrp: 173.208.176.198
[22:18:31] kormoc: ooh, I see
[22:18:33] devinheitmueller: So we think these are real users? Or just using proxies?
[22:18:36] wagnerrp: the rest are all old, most recent is july
[22:18:51] wagnerrp: ive been banning any duplicate ip, unless i had good reason otherwise
[22:19:02] devinheitmueller: Perhaps we should enable email confirmation?
[22:19:04] wagnerrp: ban the account, block the ip for 3 months
[22:19:14] wagnerrp: see the two columns for date?
[22:19:29] wagnerrp: first column is last access, second column is when they authenticated by email
[22:19:38] devinheitmueller: Ah.
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[22:19:46] devinheitmueller: Ok, so we are doing email confirmation already.
[22:19:58] wagnerrp: yeah, but it's not tough to make dummy email accounts
[22:19:59] kormoc: We might want to add in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Check_Spambots
[22:20:10] devinheitmueller: Yeah, I know.
[22:20:13] wagnerrp: ive already been banning any use of "disposable" emails
[22:20:17] devinheitmueller: Just trying to raise the bar a bit further.
[22:20:24] wagnerrp: stuff like mailinator
[22:20:39] kormoc: or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuestyCaptcha
[22:20:43] devinheitmueller: Maybe we should just block all new registrations and ask users to come to #mythtv-users to have accounts created?
[22:21:33] devinheitmueller: ... and encourage people to not create accounts unless they plan to do edits.
[22:22:26] devinheitmueller: Then autodelete accounts > 60 days with zero edits.
[22:22:50] wagnerrp: there is some external script that deletes accounts with no activity
[22:22:56] wagnerrp: haven't run it in a year or so
[22:23:05] devinheitmueller: Just a thought.
[22:23:21] devinheitmueller: I guess it's all a question of how much you're really inconvenienced.
[22:24:48] wagnerrp: any idea what the term 'gsa' might stand for?
[22:25:10] devinheitmueller: Government Services Administration?
[22:25:13] Bummed: depends on the context
[22:25:15] ertyu_: geological society of america?
[22:25:16] kormoc: General Services Administration
[22:25:31] wagnerrp: the context is account names of wiki spammers
[22:26:12] Bummed: I'd bet on general services adminstration .. Obama having anything derogatory or true scrubbed
[22:26:34] wagnerrp: couple times a month, someone will show up with 'gsa@...' or 'gsa<somenumber>@...'
[22:26:39] wagnerrp: and they're always spam accounts
[22:27:11] devinheitmueller: Ok, I'm out of here.
[22:27:11] devinheitmueller: ttyl
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[22:42:19] Oleg_: the latest stable branch is 0.26-fixes, right?
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[22:44:20] wagnerrp: as of this morning
[22:44:35] nkuebelbeck: looking for some support. my server, ubuntu 12.04 running .25 stops recording once and awhile in the middle of shows.
[22:45:10] nkuebelbeck: I know they are bad cause the filesize in mythweb is larger than what downloads
[22:45:17] nkuebelbeck: i have 2 tuners
[22:45:26] nkuebelbeck: hvr1250 and hvr1600
[22:45:48] nkuebelbeck: everything i downlosd is digital(720P or better)
[22:46:09] nkuebelbeck: what logs should i be looking at for errors?
[22:46:33] wagnerrp: why would you think they are bad due to the file size?
[22:47:00] wagnerrp: you should expect 5–7GB/hr for HD recordings
[22:47:17] nkuebelbeck: and they are short
[22:47:29] nkuebelbeck: 5–10 min instead of 60 minutes
[22:47:50] wagnerrp: check your file logs, see if your disk is getting overstressed and mythbackend terminates the recording
[22:48:54] nkuebelbeck: any specific log files?
[22:49:17] nkuebelbeck: i run a bunch of transode jobs so what yor saying could very well be true
[22:49:56] wagnerrp: the one your backend is currently writing to
[22:50:08] wagnerrp: each instance of each mythtv application writes to a separate file in your log folder
[22:50:29] nkuebelbeck: /var/log/mythtv/?
[22:51:09] wagnerrp: sounds like a good place to start
[22:51:24] wagnerrp: specifically, you're looking for something like this... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GqymDK4s
[22:51:54] wagnerrp: mythtv records to a rolling buffer, and that buffer is slowly flushed to disk
[22:52:05] wagnerrp: if the buffer grows beyond 128MB, the recording is scrapped
[22:54:26] nkuebelbeck: greping..
[22:54:43] Oleg_: it's been a long time since I compiled mythtv, so I forgot what options I need to pass to ./configure. If I intend to use an hdhomerun device, I can --disable-v4l2 and --disable-dvb?
[22:54:54] Oleg_: what else can I disable to speed up the compilation process?
[22:55:08] wagnerrp: well, you can enable ccache
[22:55:09] nkuebelbeck: found it.
[22:55:18] nkuebelbeck: ... much thanks
[22:55:36] wagnerrp: if you don't have good reason to disable something, dont
[22:55:49] wagnerrp: and to be honest, it's not like mythtv takes all that long to compile
[22:56:02] Oleg_: well, I don't need v4l2 and dvb in my case, right?
[22:56:15] wagnerrp: if you compile it often enough that compiling takes up an appreciable amount of time, you really should be using ccache
[22:56:38] wagnerrp: i doubt disabling v4l2 and dvb would have any significant effect on reduction of compile time
[22:56:54] wagnerrp: for that matter, i don't think they even are enabled by default on freebsd anyway
[22:57:06] wagnerrp: i believe configure finds stuff missing, and disables them itself
[22:57:18] Oleg_: oh, you remember that I run freebsd. Nice.
[22:57:32] wagnerrp: nkuebelbeck: do you have your database and recordings on the same disk?
[22:57:39] nkuebelbeck: yeah
[22:57:45] wagnerrp: thats a bad thing to do
[22:57:56] wagnerrp: especially on modern kernels where "barriers" are enabled
[22:58:11] EvilGuru: wagnerrp: Same disk is okay, same partition is what has caused me issue
[22:58:15] EvilGuru: *issues
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[22:58:32] wagnerrp: same disk, same partition, makes exactly zero difference
[22:58:34] Oleg_: ok, how do I enable ccache?
[22:58:46] nkuebelbeck: i've moved transoding tmp directory to another disk
[22:58:53] nkuebelbeck: that should help
[22:59:01] wagnerrp: either way, you still have to seek on the same heads
[22:59:15] wagnerrp: Oleg_: just install it, configure takes care of the rest
[22:59:16] nkuebelbeck: it 'should' be able to record two shows at once on one disk
[22:59:20] nkuebelbeck: ...i hope
[22:59:35] wagnerrp: make sure you have at least 2GB of space allocated to it, default for ccache is only 1GB
[23:00:00] wagnerrp: nkuebelbeck: its a function of seek times
[23:00:17] wagnerrp: every time you write something to the database, mysql flushes it to disk, incurring several seeks
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[23:00:22] EvilGuru: nkuebelbeck: I've done 4–5 shows on the same disk, two HD, back when I had an icky 320GB IDE disk over ATA-66
[23:00:39] wagnerrp: every second for every simultaneous recording, mythtv flushes it to disk, incurring several seeks
[23:00:48] wagnerrp: each individual write isnt much
[23:00:49] EvilGuru: wagnerrp: Why does mythtv not use O_DIRECT?
[23:01:04] wagnerrp: but each seek is going to be 10–20ms of latency
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[23:01:32] wagnerrp: throw together a few dozen individual writes per second, and your disk is left with very little time for actual throughput
[23:01:43] wagnerrp: EvilGuru: something you would have to ask danielk
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[23:02:13] EvilGuru: You avoid the buffer bloat that kills performance but also avoid fsyncs (or fdatasync)
[23:02:45] wagnerrp: mythtv has a fsync loop because most people use the CFQ disk scheduler
[23:02:53] wagnerrp: which has the risk of filling, and stalling hard
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[23:03:22] EvilGuru: O_DIRECT, in my experience, does a good job at avoiding that
[23:03:37] wagnerrp: the entire threaded file writer is a workaround intended to prevent that potential situation
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[23:04:28] wagnerrp: Oleg_: v4l is compiled in, because the necessary header is included in mythtv, but dvb is disabled on freebsd
[23:04:38] Oleg_: ok
[23:04:42] Oleg_: well, I disabled both
[23:04:48] wagnerrp: http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.26 . . . e/logs/stdio
[23:05:10] nkuebelbeck: in my case, I can record two shows at once. as soon as i start transoding using handbrake on the same disk is when it fails
[23:05:28] EvilGuru: nkuebelbeck: What disk?
[23:05:37] wagnerrp: same one he is recording to
[23:05:42] nkuebelbeck: yeah
[23:05:46] EvilGuru: Performance specs, that is
[23:06:08] nkuebelbeck: ahh 64MB 7200rpm
[23:06:14] nkuebelbeck: 2TB
[23:06:14] wagnerrp: size?
[23:06:16] nkuebelbeck: WD
[23:06:26] wagnerrp: black or re?
[23:06:33] nkuebelbeck: re
[23:06:41] EvilGuru: I have a 3TB disk and just today was recording three shows + mysql + reading a file at 80MiB/s without issue
[23:06:50] wagnerrp: only real difference is the REs give up sooner on UBE
[23:06:51] nkuebelbeck: i've off loaded to a 1,5 black
[23:07:07] EvilGuru: Heck thanks to the crappieness of MyISAM mysql was not even showing up on iotop
[23:07:08] wagnerrp: since they expect the RAID subsystem can independently handle the loss
[23:07:11] nkuebelbeck: transcoding that is
[23:08:40] nkuebelbeck: know what,..... i lied
[23:08:42] nkuebelbeck: lol
[23:08:59] nkuebelbeck: i never moved off the root partition
[23:09:11] nkuebelbeck: thats on a crabby 600gb green drive
[23:09:14] nkuebelbeck: duh!
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[23:15:20] wagnerrp: nkuebelbeck: note, you can define several paths to record to, and mythtv will load balance between them
[23:16:10] nkuebelbeck: right on, running low on disk so it will have to stay where its at
[23:16:28] wagnerrp: the 2TB and 1.5TB drives are both full?
[23:16:34] nkuebelbeck: yup
[23:16:42] nkuebelbeck: damn near
[23:17:01] nkuebelbeck: working on getting funds for a new array
[23:17:12] wagnerrp: array or just drives?
[23:17:38] nkuebelbeck: just drives
[23:17:38] wagnerrp: if you use independent drives, performance scales linearly
[23:18:08] wagnerrp: if you shove them in an array, they all have to seek together, and random write performance is little better than with a single drive
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[23:24:15] nkuebelbeck: wagnerrp: thanks once again
[23:25:45] jedix: How do I create a db backup?
[23:25:49] jedix: db_backups/ is empty
[23:27:23] nkuebelbeck: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[23:31:27] jedix: thanks!
[23:31:40] nkuebelbeck: np
[23:33:41] monkeypet: so is 0.26 out?
[23:34:12] jedix: 0.25.1 the topic says
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[23:35:58] jedix: gasp!
[23:36:07] jedix: monkeypet: the topic says 0.26!
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[23:39:00] ServerSage: Sadly, macports .26 is MIA. *pout*
[23:42:36] jedix: try ios6 instead?
[23:43:01] ServerSage: Huh?
[23:43:15] wagnerrp: no can do
[23:43:37] wagnerrp: AIUI, the GPL and apple's developer license are in conflict
[23:43:48] kormoc: ServerSage, just bump the macport version number?
[23:43:52] jedix: ios6 was released recently
[23:44:23] ServerSage: kormoc: It's on my to-do list after work.  :P
[23:44:43] kormoc: jedix, and how's that related to anything?
[23:44:56] monkeypet: LOL!
[23:45:05] monkeypet: wagnerrp is awesome!
[23:45:09] monkeypet: release on demand.
[23:45:10] ServerSage: Did you trip and fall into the crack again? Stay out of the white dust.
[23:45:11] jedix: I dunno, he uses mac.. he can try that?
[23:45:22] wagnerrp: you can't run iOS on a Mac
[23:45:27] ServerSage: jedix: mac != ios
[23:45:33] kormoc: jedix, IOS 6 is for the iphones/ipods/ipads
[23:45:48] kormoc: jedix, and it's entirely unrelated to using macports to build myth for OS X
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[23:47:09] monkeypet: congrats guys on the release, been running 0.26 for awhile now.
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