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| [00:06:09] | Jack_D: | Still having problem setting up mythTV to recieve TV signals. I have the tv tner recognized by the system, have created the right kind of source, but so far scanning for channels yields nothing, without which I don't think the backend wll load. Is there anyway to know without black magic whatoptions needs to be selected where in order to get this up and running? Is there no option to try everything? |
| [00:07:28] | Jack_D: | are there no documents on how to configure mythTV? |
| [00:07:49] | [R]: | of course there are |
| [00:07:54] | [R]: | therse tons of documentation on the website |
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| [00:22:55] | Jack_D: | Ok, well maybe I don't know how to read, but I can't seem to find anything on how to know what choices to pick to scan for channels. Nothing I've tried has returned a single usabel channel. I know the tuner handles QAM and I know the first 68 channels by the cable company are QAM. |
| [00:23:49] | Jack_D: | Anyone have a script that can run every choice and scan every possible way? |
| [00:23:57] | wagnerrp: | if anything, its more likely the first 68 channels are NTSC rather than QAM |
| [00:24:43] | Jack_D: | Well, unfortunately there is no option to pick NTSC. I can do ATSC which I'm betting isn't it, but I tried that anyway. |
| [00:25:05] | wagnerrp: | the DVB tuner type does not support NTSC anyway |
| [00:25:12] | wagnerrp: | DVB being digital, and NTSC being analog |
| [00:25:25] | Jack_D: | I think it does |
| [00:25:58] | wagnerrp: | your card does support NTSC, but that behavior shows up in linux as an independent device on a different device node |
| [00:26:07] | wagnerrp: | and you wouldn't want to use that capability anyway |
| [00:26:10] | Jack_D: | the usb says NTSC, ATSC QAM |
| [00:26:54] | Jack_D: | I'veseen multiple devices generated for it. |
| [00:27:18] | wagnerrp: | anything in /dev/dvb/ is for digital television |
| [00:27:26] | wagnerrp: | analog stuff shows up as /dev/video<n> |
| [00:27:53] | Jack_D: | I have digital cable |
| [00:28:04] | wagnerrp: | what provider? |
| [00:28:09] | Jack_D: | mediacom |
| [00:28:19] | Jack_D: | pure digital analog tv won't work |
| [00:28:20] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about their behavior |
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| [00:28:36] | wagnerrp: | expect you should be able to pick up the local broadcast channels with that tuner |
| [00:28:40] | wagnerrp: | but everything else will be encrypted |
| [00:29:07] | Jack_D: | first 68 channels are unencrypted, plus 7 HD |
| [00:29:21] | Jack_D: | I have no cable box. |
| [00:29:43] | wagnerrp: | explain "first 68" |
| [00:29:54] | Jack_D: | channels 2–70 |
| [00:30:10] | wagnerrp: | because if you have no cable box, either you have a TV with cablecard support in which case you can access the encrypted channels |
| [00:30:11] | Jack_D: | Although not all are active. |
| [00:30:24] | wagnerrp: | or you have a tv that does not support the cable company's virtual channel mapping |
| [00:30:24] | Jack_D: | I have an HDTV |
| [00:30:37] | wagnerrp: | so you dont get channel 5, you get channel 5_1 |
| [00:30:48] | wagnerrp: | two different numbers |
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| [00:31:06] | wagnerrp: | one physical channel, and one logical stream ID |
| [00:31:27] | Jack_D: | What I don't know about cable would fill the Grand Canyon |
| [00:31:46] | wagnerrp: | do your channels show up on your TV as one number or two? |
| [00:32:18] | Jack_D: | The TC shows it as channel 2 |
| [00:32:21] | Jack_D: | TV |
| [00:32:23] | wagnerrp: | is there a dot or dash or underscore anywhere in the channel? |
| [00:32:35] | wagnerrp: | if it is just channel "2", then that is analog cable |
| [00:33:10] | wagnerrp: | specifically, channels 2–68 are analog NTSC, and anything above that is used for digital |
| [00:33:53] | wagnerrp: | included somewhere within those digital channels at >=69 are those seven HD channels |
| [00:33:57] | Jack_D: | yes, I suppose it is, the TV does group the channes as "analog" and "digital". |
| [00:34:21] | wagnerrp: | and even though they may list some low numbered value, they are physically at some high frequency |
| [00:34:40] | wagnerrp: | and are identified as some lower number by their broadcast virtual channel id |
| [00:35:01] | Jack_D: | Yes, they are technically like channel 700+, but the TV shows them as DC blah blah blah. |
| [00:35:21] | wagnerrp: | so, in your scan dialog... choose QAM-256, cable, and choose the full scan |
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| [00:35:33] | wagnerrp: | don't try to limit it to where you think the channels will be |
| [00:35:49] | Jack_D: | that was my first attempt. |
| [00:36:15] | Jack_D: | perhaps I'm using thre wrong frequency table? |
| [00:36:19] | wagnerrp: | you should pick up those seven HD channels, and probably a handful of others |
| [00:36:29] | wagnerrp: | are you using the standard cable table? |
| [00:36:35] | wagnerrp: | dont use IRC or HRC |
| [00:37:10] | Jack_D: | I've tried them all I think |
| [00:37:25] | Jack_D: | even broadcast |
| [00:39:04] | Jack_D: | perhaps if I knew what the frequency table and the moulation are all about, I could figure this out. I suppose I could do some kind of manual table. But I don't know how to do that either. |
| [00:39:34] | Jack_D: | ^modulation |
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| [00:39:54] | wagnerrp: | QAM-256 and us-cable are what you want |
| [00:40:08] | wagnerrp: | you have the cable line plugged directly into the antenna? |
| [00:40:16] | wagnerrp: | s/antenna/coax input/ |
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| [00:40:35] | wagnerrp: | have you tried the line on your TV to make sure the cable or splitter isnt bad? |
| [00:40:58] | wagnerrp: | have you tried the card in a different application to make sure the card and drivers were functioning properly? |
| [00:40:59] | Jack_D: | the cable is plugged into the PC's tuner, TV is connected to the video out of the video card. |
| [00:41:21] | wagnerrp: | i mean you had previously been using the TV plugged into the cable directly |
| [00:41:32] | Jack_D: | correct |
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| [00:42:24] | wagnerrp: | why are you using the video out rather than DVI? |
| [00:43:34] | wagnerrp: | well anyway, that's a different matter.... |
| [00:43:36] | Jack_D: | Can't find my dvi cable |
| [00:43:47] | rOOb: | hello all. A long long time ago someone in here helped me out in setting up mythtv so that it would prefer to record in hd over sd. I'm now doing a new install of mythtv and cannot for the life of me figure out what I did to do this. |
| [00:43:57] | wagnerrp: | try using the 'scan' utility from the linux dvb tool set |
| [00:44:19] | wagnerrp: | in your recording rules, there is an option to "prefer HD" |
| [00:44:24] | rOOb: | I see some posts on setting specific channels priority higher...but I do not think this is what I had done before. I do not recall changing tons of channel's priorities |
| [00:44:47] | wagnerrp: | any showing marked as HD by your guide data will be preferred over one that is not |
| [00:44:53] | wagnerrp: | regardless of channel or tuner |
| [00:45:00] | rOOb: | wagnerrp, ah. and that goes off the sd info about whether its in hd or not? |
| [00:45:04] | rOOb: | ah |
| [00:45:08] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [00:45:37] | wagnerrp: | note, all your old rules and all those old settings should be carried over from your database backup |
| [00:45:38] | rOOb: | ok cool. ill give this a shot. Is it a relatively new feature? When I originally setup my hd stuff I think I was still on 0.22 or 0.23 |
| [00:45:45] | rOOb: | yea |
| [00:46:02] | rOOb: | for the 1st time since 2006–2007 I'm doing a fresh install of myth |
| [00:46:13] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea when it was added |
| [00:47:21] | rOOb: | ok. thanks for pointing out that prefer hd option. I think thats what I need :) |
| [00:47:41] | wagnerrp: | all that does it bump up the priority value 10 points |
| [00:48:03] | wagnerrp: | so it factors into the global priority behavior when the scheduler selects what to record |
| [00:48:21] | rOOb: | ah |
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| [01:28:44] | Jack_D: | well the upside. At least I'll know more about cable systems before I'm done. I may never get my HTPC working, , though. |
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| [01:42:32] | Jack_D: | Ok, how can I add the channel listings from say schedules direct? |
| [01:42:45] | wagnerrp: | for a digital tuner? you currently cant |
| [01:42:59] | wagnerrp: | you have to scan, and then match the scan results with the lineup from SD |
| [01:43:44] | Jack_D: | How can I get a listing of the channels to stick into a file to feed into the sources so I have a listing of channels for this stupid tuner? |
| [01:43:58] | Jack_D: | since the backend won't run without it |
| [01:44:08] | wagnerrp: | you scan for channels in mythtv-setup |
| [01:44:28] | Jack_D: | doesn't work. I tried every combination and zilch. Need a new option |
| [01:44:47] | wagnerrp: | have you tried scanning using anything other than mythtv? |
| [01:44:58] | wagnerrp: | just to rule out its not a problem with the tuner itself |
| [01:45:06] | Jack_D: | I tried dvbscan scan atsccscan |
| [01:45:16] | wagnerrp: | and they've worked? |
| [01:45:20] | Jack_D: | nothing |
| [01:45:31] | Jack_D: | I need a file |
| [01:45:35] | wagnerrp: | so if scanning doesn't work at all, what are the chances, tuning and recording will? |
| [01:45:47] | Jack_D: | no clue |
| [01:46:04] | Jack_D: | I know the channels are there and the hardware appears to be working. |
| [01:46:14] | Jack_D: | I have to try something |
| [01:46:15] | wagnerrp: | clearly not, as you cannot scan using anything |
| [01:46:39] | Jack_D: | it scans but finds nothing. |
| [01:46:56] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [01:47:20] | wagnerrp: | and if you cannot scan, chances are you either have something plugged in incorrectly, or there is something deeper wrong with your hardware or drivers |
| [01:47:21] | Jack_D: | I actually get errors with scan |
| [01:47:29] | wagnerrp: | you might want to try in #linuxtv |
| [01:47:38] | wagnerrp: | since they actually deal with the hardware |
| [01:47:45] | Jack_D: | >>> tune to: 327012500:QAM_256 (tuning failed) |
| [01:47:47] | Jack_D: | WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!! |
| [01:48:15] | wagnerrp: | that means the channel at that frequency is not a QAM_256 channel |
| [01:48:22] | wagnerrp: | meaning it's likely an NTSC one |
| [01:48:28] | wagnerrp: | (analog) |
| [01:49:14] | Jack_D: | right. |
| [01:49:43] | Jack_D: | so what's the right way to scan for an analog channel? |
| [01:50:01] | wagnerrp: | specifically, that's channel 41 |
| [01:50:11] | wagnerrp: | with mythtv? you don't |
| [01:50:15] | Jack_D: | Do I have the wrong device set up for mythTV? |
| [01:50:22] | wagnerrp: | for analog, you just pull a channel lineup from schedules direct |
| [01:50:34] | wagnerrp: | however, you shouldn't be doing analog with that card |
| [01:50:43] | wagnerrp: | for recording purposes, it's really only good for digital |
| [01:51:13] | Jack_D: | Well I also want to be able to view TV |
| [01:51:29] | wagnerrp: | there is no view, only record |
| [01:51:34] | Jack_D: | the card does NTSC |
| [01:51:37] | wagnerrp: | all DVRs record everything |
| [01:51:52] | wagnerrp: | mythtv's live tv mode is a recording, with playback following a few seconds behind live |
| [01:52:02] | Jack_D: | ok |
| [01:53:04] | Jack_D: | So if I don't use MythTV to view analog TV what do I use, since the stick clearly supports NTEC |
| [01:53:08] | wagnerrp: | your tuner is what is called a "framegrabber" |
| [01:53:09] | Jack_D: | NTSC |
| [01:53:22] | Jack_D: | ok |
| [01:53:29] | wagnerrp: | the tuner does nothing but tuning and demodulating |
| [01:53:32] | Jack_D: | analog has frames |
| [01:53:40] | wagnerrp: | exposing raw video frames and PCM audio to the system |
| [01:53:47] | Jack_D: | right |
| [01:53:59] | wagnerrp: | and leaving mythtv to transcode that in real time to something storable on the filesystem |
| [01:54:16] | wagnerrp: | its recommended anyone trying to use analog in mythtv get an encoder card |
| [01:54:19] | Jack_D: | understood |
| [01:54:47] | Jack_D: | which would be ? |
| [01:55:07] | wagnerrp: | for USB? used PVR-USB2 or new HVR-1950 |
| [01:56:12] | wagnerrp: | in any case, the analog portion of your card is on /dev/video<n> |
| [01:56:27] | wagnerrp: | it shows up as an independent device in linux, because support comes through a separate framework |
| [01:57:55] | rOOb: | anyone in here using mythweb with nginx? trying to setup: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb_on_Nginx but it wont execute the php..it just forces my browser to dl it |
| [01:58:01] | Jack_D: | the 950Q has an encoder |
| [01:58:13] | rOOb: | I've used nginx+php-fpm before so I'm kinda familiar with it. |
| [01:58:24] | wagnerrp: | no, the 950Q does not have an encoder |
| [01:58:44] | Jack_D: | Hauppage says it does SoftPVR+ encoder |
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| [01:59:01] | wagnerrp: | yes, soft... software |
| [01:59:15] | Jack_D: | although it sound like it might be, like you say software. |
| [02:00:51] | wagnerrp: | the HVR-1600, -1800, -1850, -1950, and -2250 all come with encoders (the -2250 has two) |
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| [02:01:29] | wagnerrp: | from the HVR-1950 page... "Record analog cable TV with the on-board MPEG-2 encoder" |
| [02:02:17] | wagnerrp: | if you're looking for something cheap, your best bet is to pick up an old PVR-150 off ebay |
| [02:02:23] | wagnerrp: | should be able to find one for ~$20 |
| [02:02:32] | wagnerrp: | assuming you can do a PCI card |
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| [02:03:17] | Jack_D: | I almost got the 2250 |
| [02:04:50] | Jack_D: | Well the PC is current'y in a tower case, so there's some room, but I'm also trying to keep an eye on migrating pieces to somethng better suited to the purpose. Which was what made the usb so attractive. |
| [02:05:46] | wagnerrp: | many think you should be looking for better suited placement rather than case |
| [02:06:00] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed as a clustered application |
| [02:06:19] | wagnerrp: | meaning you can have multiple backends, on physically separate machines from your frontends |
| [02:06:33] | Jack_D: | So, if money was no object what's the most popular thing to get? Also, it sound like MythTV won't incorporate the Analog channels? I'm looking for a seemless syste. Don't want to be jacking around to view TV. |
| [02:06:48] | wagnerrp: | such as a backend with all your tuners and hard drives in your basement, or attic, or a closet, somewhere out of sight and out of mind |
| [02:07:24] | Jack_D: | YEah, the attic is a poor choice in the summer. |
| [02:07:24] | wagnerrp: | if you're looking to use analog cable, an HVR-2250 will work fine |
| [02:07:45] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv _can_ use the analog on that 950Q if configured correctly, it is just advised against |
| [02:07:55] | Jack_D: | What is I later switch to pay channels? |
| [02:07:59] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, ive never actually used a framegrabber |
| [02:08:11] | wagnerrp: | if you later switch to pay channels, you might be able to use a cablecard tuner |
| [02:08:25] | wagnerrp: | such as an HDHomerunPrime, DCR-2650, or InfiniTV |
| [02:08:31] | comingatyoubro: | Channel Frequencies: for US basic cable QAM should I choose us-cable (or frc/irc?) |
| [02:08:41] | wagnerrp: | but as mythtv does not and cannot implement DRM, we are stuck to the "copy freely" channels |
| [02:08:57] | wagnerrp: | and which of your channels are marked copy freely depends on your cable provider |
| [02:09:03] | wagnerrp: | it could be all of them, it could be none of them |
| [02:09:13] | Jack_D: | So, if I add pay and wind up with a cable box the existing tuers won't wcontinue to work? |
| [02:09:24] | wagnerrp: | if your cable provider restricts things such that a cablecard tuner is no an option, you're stuck with analog capture off the cable box |
| [02:09:48] | wagnerrp: | which again means an encoder card, like the two analog inputs and encoders on an HVR-2250 |
| [02:10:01] | wagnerrp: | or the HD component inputs on an HDPVR |
| [02:10:26] | wagnerrp: | comingatyoubro: its highly unlikely you will need to use the frc/hrc/irc tables |
| [02:10:34] | Jack_D: | Well it sure is a tangled mess. |
| [02:11:01] | wagnerrp: | cable companies like it that way |
| [02:11:05] | wagnerrp: | keeps you trapped using their hardware |
| [02:11:22] | Jack_D: | cable companies or MPAA |
| [02:11:31] | wagnerrp: | cable companies |
| [02:11:55] | wagnerrp: | hardware lock-in means a measure of control over their subscriber base |
| [02:12:30] | wagnerrp: | if you're free to do whatever you want, you're free to build services on your own that they then cannot charge you for |
| [02:12:43] | Jack_D: | like that's still an issue. There's one cable provider in town. It's them or the highway. |
| [02:13:01] | wagnerrp: | there's always satellite |
| [02:13:16] | Jack_D: | when it's not raining. |
| [02:13:22] | wagnerrp: | or you could drop paytv all together, use the local broadcast channels, and rent or buy any shows you want to watch when they come out on DVD |
| [02:13:44] | wagnerrp: | $60/mo not spent on cable buys a lot of DVDs |
| [02:14:55] | Jack_D: | depends on who you watch. That's almost 3 disney movies or four Barbie movies, or five Scooby Doos. |
| [02:15:55] | wagnerrp: | but... you have to buy them now, before they lock those movies up in the vault! |
| [02:16:53] | Jack_D: | I know. I freaking ate hate Disney. But I watch all the Disney I want from RedBox. |
| [02:17:30] | wagnerrp: | they may be evil, but damn do they know how to market to their target audience |
| [02:18:38] | Jack_D: | Them and Apple. Buy this *NEW* iPhone, it's totally not worth it, but you know you need to have it! Pre-Order it now, and you'll have it .. someday. |
| [02:19:37] | Jack_D: | I miss the days when my daughter was into Dora. $10 a pop for a video. |
| [02:20:14] | Jack_D: | I think we have the whole set. |
| [02:21:28] | Jack_D: | Well, this sucks, no TV. The whole point of this was to be able to record shows when we couldn't watch. |
| [02:21:41] | Jack_D: | Since the DVD player has no tuner. |
| [02:21:49] | wagnerrp: | as i said, you _can_ record analog |
| [02:21:51] | wagnerrp: | but it is not advised |
| [02:21:52] | Jack_D: | player/recorder |
| [02:22:34] | wagnerrp: | add another tuner, select the 'V4L ... ' type from the dropdown, and mythtv-setup should autodetect it |
| [02:22:36] | Jack_D: | but not with MythTV, right? No way to integrate the analog channels into MythTV |
| [02:22:58] | wagnerrp: | then just grab the lineup from schedules direct, and you're finished |
| [02:23:02] | Jack_D: | The tuner is already running under the V4l |
| [02:23:21] | wagnerrp: | no, its using DVB |
| [02:23:24] | Jack_D: | inside MythTV? |
| [02:23:34] | Jack_D: | and v4L |
| [02:23:35] | wagnerrp: | there are two separate devices exposed from that card |
| [02:23:45] | Jack_D: | right |
| [02:23:57] | wagnerrp: | the digital (DVB) tuner on /dev/dvb/adapter0, and the analog (V4L) tuner on /dev/video0 |
| [02:24:06] | wagnerrp: | you need to add them independently |
| [02:24:14] | Jack_D: | odd that none of the HD channels got detected. |
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| [02:24:35] | wagnerrp: | and since they are on different channel lists, need to be using different video sources |
| [02:24:49] | Jack_D: | ok, I'll go work on that. THanks you've helped a lot. Sorry to be such a noob. |
| [02:24:54] | wagnerrp: | digital needs to be scanned, and then manually algned to a schedules direct account |
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| [02:25:01] | wagnerrp: | analog can just be pulled directly from schedules direct |
| [02:25:17] | Jack_D: | cool |
| [02:25:42] | wagnerrp: | the issue i was explaining to you was that as a framegrabber, your device will be rather clumsy to configure, and i personally have never attempted to do so |
| [02:26:08] | comingatyoubro: | if i'm going to use some hd channels, should i choose the digital cable route? or regular cable and then manually assign the hd ones to the regular cable channels for the guide? |
| [02:26:22] | comingatyoubro: | qam over basic cable with local hd |
| [02:26:40] | comingatyoubro: | for schedules direct, the digital cable or regular cable |
| [02:26:48] | wagnerrp: | digital |
| [02:27:02] | comingatyoubro: | k good guess then :) |
| [02:27:15] | comingatyoubro: | i'm scanning now, and getting lots of "Timed out, 3 possible channels" ... that normal? |
| [02:27:49] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [02:28:11] | comingatyoubro: | i'll just wait til it's 100% – i should know if there's a problem then :) |
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| [02:33:40] | Jack_D: | Yes, I'm seeing the clumsiess. But no problems I have lots of beer to help me. |
| [02:33:57] | Jack_D: | *clumsiness |
| [02:35:41] | Jack_D: | right now I'm trying to determine which of the two analog video devices I need, and MythTV is not autodetecting or at it says "failed to open". |
| [02:35:44] | Deckard: | Can someone help with a "Protocol version check failure." error with mythfrontend 0.25.2? |
| [02:36:30] | [R]: | Deckard: what is the exact error |
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| [02:36:44] | Deckard: | 2012-09–23 19:36:08.271506 I MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.112:6543 (try 1 of 1) |
| [02:36:44] | Deckard: | 2012-09–23 19:36:15.275361 E MythSocket(c27610:52): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms. |
| [02:36:44] | Deckard: | 2012-09–23 19:36:15.275420 C Protocol version check failure. |
| [02:36:44] | Deckard: | The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty. |
| [02:36:44] | Deckard: | This happens when the backend is too busy to respond, |
| [02:36:46] | Deckard: | or has deadlocked in due to bugs or hardware failure. |
| [02:36:53] | [R]: | don't flood the channel... |
| [02:36:57] | wagnerrp: | yikes... no pasting more than two lines |
| [02:36:58] | Deckard: | sorry, that is longer than three lines |
| [02:38:14] | Deckard: | that is what I see in the mythfrontend log when I try going to "Watch TV", in the app it says "All tuners are currently busy." I'm using hdhr prime |
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| [02:38:36] | [R]: | restart the backend |
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| [02:39:23] | Deckard: | doing so now |
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| [02:41:54] | Deckard: | I'm still getting the same issue, I was running .24 fine with centos 5.3 a couple of days ago and did a fresh compile of 0.25.2 from git and centos 6.3 |
| [02:42:28] | Deckard: | In the backend logs with -v all I'm not seeing errors when I attempt to watch from the frontend |
| [02:42:32] | wagnerrp: | there is some strange issue on centos that results in a deadlock of the backend |
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| [02:43:37] | Deckard: | ok, thanks I suppose that I'll wait for some updates and then pull from git again. Is there a bug to track? |
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| [03:05:46] | Jack_D: | Well, that turned MythTV into a zombie |
| [03:06:04] | Jack_D: | zombies are hard to kill |
| [03:06:12] | [R]: | so reboot |
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| [03:09:26] | Jack_D: | reboot? To kill zombies? that's overkill |
| [03:09:53] | Jack_D: | Killing the parents usually gets rid of zombies too. |
| [03:10:18] | wagnerrp: | no, that only works with vampires |
| [03:12:05] | comingatyoubro: | channel scan was great |
| [03:12:31] | Jack_D: | well this is progree, looks like the database is filling with channel listings! Hoo Hah! I mell the scent of a woman. |
| [03:12:37] | Jack_D: | ^smell |
| [03:12:54] | Jack_D: | Ok, maybe less beer and more popcorn. |
| [03:14:03] | Jack_D: | THanks everyone, I could have gotten this far without your kind assistance. You've been very patient with my noob troubles. |
| [03:14:59] | Jack_D: | That should have been "I could not have gotten this far" It's been educational. |
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| [04:22:00] | dj_segfault: | Hi. Mythfilldatabase is running on my system, but not adding new data. I did a writeup with my logs here: http://pastebin.com/8cWZyJmC Does anyone know what's going on? |
| [04:23:22] | [R]: | well if it works when you run it with dd grab all manually and not when it runs automaticaly, then tell myth to run it with dd grab all when it runs it automatically |
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| [04:29:05] | dj_segfault: | Hmm. I'm sure I could figure out how to do that, but my first choice would be to figure out why it's not working as it should. |
| [04:31:11] | [R]: | dd grab all is the recommened way |
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| [06:03:45] | firl: | anyone know anything about a bug on freebsd where mythtranscode fails to remove commercials by stalling infinitely until process is killed? |
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| [06:07:23] | wagnerrp: | what version? |
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| [06:24:00] | firl: | MythTV Version : v0.25.2 |
| [06:24:22] | wagnerrp: | worked fine here |
| [06:25:20] | firl: | it only happen once a week roughly, but just hangs, but I transcode maybe 5–8 shows a day |
| [06:27:19] | firl: | the next time it hangs before I do a 'killall mythtranscode' should I try to capture any debug metrics? |
| [06:30:01] | wagnerrp: | is this an actual transcode, or just a lossless cutting? |
| [06:30:21] | firl: | lossless cutting |
| [06:31:22] | firl: | I generate the cultist, via mythutil, then transcode, then clear the cultist via the util |
| [06:31:41] | wagnerrp: | once you transcode, there is no cutlist to clear |
| [06:31:52] | wagnerrp: | the transcoder wipes it |
| [06:32:02] | firl: | in this case it doesn't even reach it |
| [06:32:13] | firl: | but that's good to know to be able to remove that step of the script |
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| [09:20:50] | Joe`Z: | Hello, I don't suppose there is an 'off topic' channel ? |
| [09:21:35] | bas-t: | not that I know of |
| [09:22:39] | Joe`Z: | Ah. I was trying to find over the air antenna selection help and for some reason google popped up MythTV |
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| [09:23:45] | bas-t: | so you don't use mythtv? |
| [09:24:34] | Joe`Z: | No. But it does look interesting if I do get an OTA worth using |
| [09:25:26] | bas-t: | what's OTA? |
| [09:25:43] | Joe`Z: | other the air |
| [09:26:06] | Joe`Z: | anyway, I guess this isn't gonna be the place.. ? |
| [09:26:37] | bas-t: | no, unless you switch to mythtv |
| [09:26:51] | Joe`Z: | LOL. |
| [09:27:29] | Joe`Z: | anyway, I guess I should try forums. IRC isn't coming up much |
| [09:27:46] | bas-t: | I don't agree |
| [09:28:14] | Joe`Z: | I tried #hardware and they didn't know or didn't want to comment |
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| [09:31:42] | bas-t: | Do you know that most users here are US inhabitants? Most likely they are sleeping right now, except for the New Yorkers they don't ever sleep:) |
| [09:32:37] | Joe`Z: | lol, well I can't find any channels really on the topic |
| [09:33:22] | sid3windr: | are you sure about the US inhabitants? a quick gander at the hostmasks here doesn't really confirm.. :) |
| [09:34:06] | bas-t: | mea culpa |
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| [09:36:11] | bas-t: | plus, they have to be New Yorkers :) |
| [09:38:08] | Joe`Z: | but then wouldn't they just be using "dahhh happppahhhhh!" as their DRV? :D |
| [09:38:14] | Joe`Z: | (DISHNetwork's new Hopper) |
| [09:39:02] | sid3windr: | o_O |
| [09:39:31] | Joe`Z: | ah anyway, I'll look around forums |
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| [09:47:49] | bas-t: | best of luck! |
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| [11:38:40] | Kelerion: | afternoon sausages |
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| [12:17:24] | justTom: | Hello all, I'm a long time myth user, but just recently moved into the HD world. |
| [12:18:13] | justTom: | My frontend is not quite capable of playing 1080i content smoothly and until I can upgrade my hardware I would like to transode 1080i video down |
| [12:18:24] | justTom: | so that it will play smoothly on my FE. |
| [12:19:01] | justTom: | Seems like a user job is probably the best way to do this, but I'm trying to figure out how to only have it transcode video that starts off ad HD |
| [12:19:20] | justTom: | anyone have any suggestions of where to start reading to figure this out? |
| [12:23:59] | Kelerion: | hi Tom – I've been outta the loop for the last few years so this might be *completely* unhelpful – but can't you set your receiver to receive other than 1080i? |
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| [12:26:16] | justTom: | So I'm using QAM with cable. I get my local channels in an SD format and an HD format. The thing is that the SD format is a 4:3 and the HD is a 16:9 format. I'd like to watch the 16:9 so that it fills my TV screen, but it requires just a little too much processor for my box |
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| [12:30:29] | Kelerion: | not sure what to advice then if your cable box doesn't let you have more control – maybe someone else knows |
| [12:30:35] | Kelerion: | advise* |
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| [12:46:30] | Twiggy2cents: | justTom, what video card do you have? |
| [12:46:52] | Twiggy2cents: | If you get a newer nvidia like a g2xx you should be able to play it using vdpau |
| [12:47:25] | Twiggy2cents: | Have you tried all the playback profiles? |
| [12:47:42] | justTom: | Twiggy2cents: I have an nVidia 9600 GT |
| [12:47:57] | justTom: | I use vdpau, but it is still choppy |
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| [12:49:10] | Twiggy2cents: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau |
| [12:49:14] | Twiggy2cents: | THat says it should do it |
| [12:49:20] | justTom: | Honestly I wonder if it is a driver issue. The Nvidia-latest is supposed to work with the card but doesn't |
| [12:49:26] | Twiggy2cents: | have you disabled composting and enabled use events? |
| [12:49:29] | justTom: | I have to use 173.x.x to get it to work |
| [12:49:50] | Twiggy2cents: | Support started with version 180.06. Latest version available at NVIDIA's website. Bugs are fixed with every new release. |
| [12:50:13] | Twiggy2cents: | Are you using precompiled drivers or the binary blob from their website? |
| [12:50:25] | justTom: | Support for vdpau started with 180.06? |
| [12:51:06] | Twiggy2cents: | That is what the wiki said |
| [12:51:14] | Twiggy2cents: | I think it was beta in the previous releases |
| [12:51:25] | Twiggy2cents: | Once you get your drivers fixed look at this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau#Tearing.2FStuttering |
| [12:51:39] | justTom: | I used the package that came with mythbunut for the nvidia-latest that ddidn't work so I went to their website and downloaded 173.x |
| [12:52:06] | justTom: | Cool, I'll chack that out |
| [12:52:26] | Twiggy2cents: | Why didnt it work? Did you get no x display? |
| [12:52:49] | justTom: | yeah no x display |
| [12:52:56] | justTom: | well |
| [12:53:07] | justTom: | actually it would drive a monitor, but no TV out |
| [12:55:22] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh that could just be in the settings |
| [12:55:47] | Twiggy2cents: | Anyway, I have to get to work. The us people should be getting on here soon so you will be have some more support in a little bit |
| [12:56:02] | justTom: | Cool, thanks |
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| [15:01:24] | Hydr0p0nX: | is there a particular distro that gets myth updates first/fastest ? |
| [15:02:05] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu gets updated nightly |
| [15:02:26] | wagnerrp: | every distro gets updates as soon as you build from source |
| [15:04:14] | comingatyoubro: | i saw that i can force v0.26 of mythtv in ubuntu, is it worth it over 0.25.2, or still not stable? |
| [15:04:21] | comingatyoubro: | just using it for backend |
| [15:05:20] | wagnerrp: | implying you're using something else as the frontend? |
| [15:05:24] | comingatyoubro: | yea, xbmc |
| [15:05:33] | wagnerrp: | does xbmc support 0.26? |
| [15:05:38] | comingatyoubro: | no idea haha |
| [15:05:48] | comingatyoubro: | i may need to look into that ;) |
| [15:05:49] | wagnerrp: | seems that would be the first thing to find out |
| [15:05:51] | comingatyoubro: | if it does, worth it? |
| [15:06:09] | wagnerrp: | it's more or less stable at this point |
| [15:06:13] | comingatyoubro: | cool |
| [15:06:16] | wagnerrp: | weve been in rc for some time |
| [15:06:33] | wagnerrp: | just some final changes needed before release |
| [15:06:37] | comingatyoubro: | cool |
| [15:07:23] | comingatyoubro: | i believe xbmc uses libcmyth implementation, does that sound familiar or is that related to xbmc only? |
| [15:08:20] | wagnerrp: | xbmc uses libcmyth internally for video playback |
| [15:08:30] | wagnerrp: | the mythbox plugin has a separate implementation of the protocol |
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| [15:08:51] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, why do they insist on doing it wrong? |
| [15:09:07] | wagnerrp: | they can't do it wrong anymore |
| [15:09:16] | wagnerrp: | not with the protocol token anyway |
| [15:09:53] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, right, but I don't think mythbox does |
| [15:09:56] | wagnerrp: | they must be updated to at least pick up the new response, even if they don't bother fixing their implementation to whatever the change was |
| [15:10:16] | wagnerrp: | mythbox is actually one of the few things that _does_ do it properly |
| [15:10:19] | tgm4883: | what I've heard, is that you have to mount the recordings dir on the XBMC system in order to get playback |
| [15:10:19] | comingatyoubro: | yea mythbox is dying i believe |
| [15:10:22] | comingatyoubro: | new implementation |
| [15:10:35] | wagnerrp: | with multiple classes hooked in to interface with different versions of the protocol |
| [15:11:15] | wagnerrp: | of course libcmyth is one of the old "bad" implementations that would just parrot back the backend's version to force a connection |
| [15:11:38] | wagnerrp: | and mythbox would just handle the content menu, before handing off the link to xbmc and libcmyth for playback |
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| [15:17:57] | ronoc-work: | mythbox is stuck at .24 support |
| [15:18:05] | ronoc-work: | it does *NOT* work with .25 |
| [15:18:23] | ronoc-work: | I will not connect to the DB. I submitted the bug. |
| [15:20:40] | ronoc-work: | http://code.google.com/p/mythbox/issues/detai . . . 0Attachments |
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| [16:26:54] | x409: | Hello |
| [16:27:12] | x409: | Can MythTV record 4 or 8 channel at the same time ? |
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| [16:27:40] | tank-man: | why not? |
| [16:27:53] | tank-man: | x409, if you got the hardware, sure |
| [16:27:59] | x409: | ok |
| [16:28:26] | x409: | what is the good brand for tv tuner ? |
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| [16:33:10] | x409: | Did you know some business who can sell a MythTV recorder 'in the box' ? |
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| [16:54:03] | x409: | If i build a MythTV recorder with 8 channel, how can I give access to the recorded video to Windows PC on my network? |
| [16:56:08] | Kelerion: | all sorts of ways... using the windows sharing in your favorite linux dist (SMB) would probably be the easiest for you |
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| [16:56:54] | sid3windr: | or windows myth frontend |
| [16:57:14] | Kelerion: | that too! |
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| [17:03:31] | lapion: | can anyone tell me how to get imdb ratings for the tv guide ? |
| [17:03:51] | x409: | ok, can multi PC access to the recorder at the same time |
| [17:05:15] | jams: | anybody here have a hvr-2250 analog working with mythtv .25. I'm having trouble changing channels with live-tv, scheduled recordings work as expected. |
| [17:07:48] | lapion: | jams, live tv channel changing is broken for most analog grabbers |
| [17:08:17] | lapion: | jams, also broken for some with hardware encoders. |
| [17:08:52] | devinheitmueller: | lapion: I'm assuming this is entirely a Myth issue, right? |
| [17:08:59] | devinheitmueller: | (e.g. a regression in userland) |
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| [17:10:26] | lapion: | yes myth issue.. |
| [17:10:30] | jams: | devinheitmueller- yeah it was broken for pvr-x50/500 cards but i thought that was fixed. |
| [17:11:00] | lapion: | maybe even myth feature.. get rid of all yar ananlog frame grabbers |
| [17:11:11] | lapion: | analog |
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| [17:11:23] | jams: | lapion- except the 2250 isn't a frame grabber |
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| [17:11:39] | devinheitmueller: | jams: neither is the x50 or 500. :-) |
| [17:11:41] | lapion: | well do you have more cards ? |
| [17:12:14] | jams: | devinheitmueller- exactly! |
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| [17:12:47] | lapion: | I have 3 cards and I use pip to set the standard channel for each card and switch between cards whenever I want to see on of my 3 fav. channels |
| [17:13:35] | lapion: | if I want to see any of the other channels I tune to my dvb-t fta card and back to the channel on one of the analog cards |
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| [17:14:56] | peque: | Hey guys. I'm running mythtv stable on my newly installed Debian 64bit – but seems to have a problem with MythTV – as talked about here http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /328760.html – But since I'm just got my new ME server and installed this – I would like to keep uptodate instead of downgrading packages – but is there a solution for this problem, just downloaded the latest mythweb stable from here http://code.mythtv.org/trac |
| [17:15:15] | peque: | Seems to have a problem with mythweb and mythtv |
| [17:15:25] | jams: | lapion- thats way to much trouble to be a workable solution |
| [17:16:07] | ronoc-work: | peque: ME server? Windows ME Server edition? |
| [17:16:16] | peque: | Sorry MBE Master Backend End – old laptop |
| [17:16:34] | lapion: | jams other solution I once tried and which really worked, create multiple card entries for the same card, assign one to each channel. |
| [17:17:35] | jams: | i guess thats one way of doing it |
| [17:18:22] | lapion: | I tried it once and it really worked, however all of a sudden regular channel changes started working back then again. however only for a short while |
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| [17:19:28] | lapion: | however you would get conflicts when recoding more then one channel |
| [17:19:37] | lapion: | chammel==program |
| [17:19:41] | lapion: | channel |
| [17:20:45] | lapion: | well since channel changes during recording is not a problem you could always block all "virtual" card entries from recoding. |
| [17:21:43] | lapion: | and use (a) separate card(s) for the recordings. |
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| [18:24:53] | lapion: | how do I get mythfrontend to handle powersaving and screensaving correctly ? |
| [18:25:48] | lapion: | If I set the system to suspend after 30 minutes of inactivity, the frontend does not inhibit the powersaving settings |
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| [18:30:58] | Jay2k1: | i'm trying to block a certain recording, it creates a block rule but the recording is still scheduled to record. tried to block via mythweb and also via mythfrontend, same effect |
| [18:33:48] | Jay2k1: | also, when i click "don't record" in the schedule list in mythweb, it takes way longer until something happens |
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| [18:47:22] | Jay2k1: | same thing happens when i try to add a new scheduled recording |
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| [18:48:22] | Jay2k1: | it appears in the list of rules but not in the schedule list... it seems mythtv doesn't re-evaluate the rules |
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| [18:55:28] | _Jay2k1: | yep, i'm correct, it doesn't reschedule. when i restart mythtv-backend, it starts working and calls the rescheduler (i can see it in the backend log) |
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| [20:18:50] | Guest68486: | Hello all |
| [20:20:17] | Guest68486: | Could anyone help me set up mythtv I opend the backend and its asking for a username and password and I dont know either!! |
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| [20:23:46] | keith4: | Guest68486: how did you install it? |
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| [20:36:32] | Beirdo: | oooh, we are the champions. Indeed. |
| [20:40:06] | stuartm: | ? |
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| [21:30:10] | analogue: | howdy |
| [21:30:28] | analogue: | has anyone gotten HLS streaming from a 0.25 backend to XBMC working? |
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| [22:18:56] | justinh: | analogue: I've been playing with it, but not for XBMC.. and so far I've only discovered that it's not enabled by default when you build it from source, and you need newer libs than I can get on *buntu without also compiling a load of other stuff |
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| [22:23:19] | analogue: | justinh: good to know |
| [22:23:38] | justinh: | if you're using packaged mythtv, it'll likely have it enabled |
| [22:23:53] | justinh: | you can check though... with a commandline -v incantation |
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| [22:24:18] | justinh: | e.g. mythbackend --version |
| [22:24:31] | analogue: | justinh: i see the page embedded in http://backend:6544 to test it out. kinda wonky to get working |
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| [22:25:01] | analogue: | running mythbuntu 12.04 w/ 0.25 |
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| [22:25:36] | justinh: | I think I'm still on Ubuntu 10.04 lol |
| [22:25:47] | justinh: | it works, so I see no good reason to dist-upgrade |
| [22:26:32] | analogue: | now i just to point an hls client other than jwplayer at it |
| [22:27:08] | justinh: | your backend will likely need to be bound to a non localhost address for it to work though |
| [22:27:38] | justinh: | I mean, it'd work fine & dandy pointing a browser at localhost:6544 but not any other machine |
| [22:27:45] | analogue: | yeah..had it setup on 0.0.0.0 for a while now |
| [22:29:36] | justinh: | hmmm. apparently my laptop can do 'QuickSync' video codecy stuff |
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| [22:29:58] | justinh: | might have to spend some money & get this machine to do my dvd rips in future |
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| [22:38:52] | justinh: | hmmm. very tempted to upgrade soon, but I wouldn't without using a fresh hdd for / and home |
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| [23:05:25] | rOOb: | in the watch recordings screen...whats yellow mean? green is currently recording. But I'm not sure what yellow is |
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| [23:17:52] | justinh: | it's all theme dependent. if the themer didn't make it obvious, then it's... not obvious ;-) |
| [23:17:59] | justinh: | probably means 'in use' |
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| [23:51:30] | bill6502: | rOOb: The recording is probably damaged. Try: grep damaged /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend* (or wherever you keep your log files.) With the Steppes theme, damaged recordings show up with an orange boarder. |
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| [23:53:34] | tekdoc: | anyone familiar with the find-zero-byte.pl script |
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