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Sunday, September 23rd, 2012, 00:05 UTC

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chaferd:

hello, can someone help me with the following error?

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chaferd:

mythtv-setup: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib64/libmythbase-0.25.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii

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chaferd:

my understanding is that I may need a different qt version, I'm running centos 6.3, qt 4.6.2

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[R]:

where did you get your mythtv binaries from?

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chaferd:

yum

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[R]:

yum doesnt' pull them from the sky

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chaferd:

atrpms

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[R]:

sounds like its not built for your dist/version of your dist

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[R]:

and if it is, you shoudl file a bug reprot about their crappy pacakges

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chaferd:

ok

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chaferd:

I'll try building from git

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chaferd:

any recommended version? 0.25.2?

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[R]:

you just pull the branch from git

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[R]:

for 25

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chaferd:

got it, thanks

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lapion:

hello I have been having problems with transcoded nuv files.

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lapion:

after having transcoded them, they will not search backwards or forwards correctly

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lapion:

If I skip backwards once the player actually skips forward to the middle of the video, if I try to skip backwards after the first half it skips forward to the end.

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lapion:

forward skipping also skips to the first half en the end only

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lapion:

in editing I can only go forwards to the middle and the end.

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lapion:

mythtranscode is has a memory error, it keeps on filling memory and stops transcoding when it runs out of memory

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lapion:

at a certain point its resident part is using more than 1G of memory

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EvilGuru:

As of the most recent couple of updates to the mythbuntu theme I have been getting lots of http://pastebin.com/jA3WN1xU type messages

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Spacedementia87:

hi there. My ubuntu distro only seems to let me update to mythtv 0.24. How can I upgrade to 0.25?

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stuartm:

Spacedementia87: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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Spacedementia87:

I am not running mythbuntu though. Does that matter?.

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stuartm:

no

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stuartm:

the packages are the same, the ones in the official distribution are just older versions of what the mythbuntu package

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Spacedementia87:

ok

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Spacedementia87:

So I can install this deb file over cli and then do apt-get update and then try updating again?

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stuartm:

unfortunately ubuntu doesn't make it easy to ship updated packages, even with major bug fixes to their official repos after a release

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stuartm:

Spacedementia87: precisely

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Spacedementia87:

ok i'll giove it a go

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Spacedementia87:

If i have 0.24 installed but want to upgrade to 0.25 shall I activate the 0.25 repros?

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stuartm:

yes

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Spacedementia87:

cool cheers

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Spacedementia87:

I get this on sudo apt-get update

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Spacedementia87:

W: Failed to fetch https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/dists/oneiri . . . urce/Sources The requested URL returned error: 404

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Spacedementia87:

W: Failed to fetch https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/dists/oneiri . . . 386/Packages The requested URL returned error: 404

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Spacedementia87:

Oh just noticed that this shouoldn't be a problem

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Spacedementia87:

All seems to work well. Think I am now running 0.25 :)

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Spacedementia87:

nope still 0.24 according mythbackend --version

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Spacedementia87:

:(

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stuartm:

Spacedementia87: they should be able to help in #ubuntu-mythtv

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Spacedementia87:

The reason I want to update is because HD channels seems to go silent when I play back a recording. The adverts before play fine then as soon as the feature starts ot goes silent. Read it was fixed in .25

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Spacedementia87:

No it doesn;t seem to fix it. Does anyone know what is wrong with recording HD channels?

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stuartm:

Spacedementia87: they may be using a different audio codec to the adverts?

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RagingMind:

anyone else in here launching huludesktop from a menu entry on their frontend?

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lautriv:

heyda ;-) some time ago i wondered about those annoying ringbuf messages in mythbackend.log which stoppen on upgrade. now they are back again, any hints to fight with it ?

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lautriv:

s/stoppen/stopped

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RagingMind:

I hadn't used huludesktop in a while (there were a few upgrades I think from 0.24 to 0.25 then .1 and .2) but now when I try to launch it I get a blue square with a small house in the top left (I'm using the blue mythcenter theme) the rest of the screen is white

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RagingMind:

if I wait a few moment I can hear huludesktop playing in the back ground, but I have no way to get to it

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moocow2:

anyone home?

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Spacedementia87:

Hello sorry I am back

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Spacedementia87:

I have a probelm where if I record hd channels the audio is fine for the adverts and then cuts out as soon as the show starts

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Spacedementia87:

i think it is because they use different audio codecs for the program than the adverts. I read that 0.25 fixed this, but it hasn't seemed to on my machine unless my update to 0.25 didn't work

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Jack_D:

I am having a hard time getting Mythbuntu to use my Hauppage 950Q stick. The device is recognized, the drivers loaded, but HDHomeRun can't see it. Is there a way to force it in from a CLI rather than the GUI interface?

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wagnerrp:

HDHomeRun can't see it?

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wagnerrp:

why would one tuner have any knowledge of another?

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Jack_D:

Ok, well, first I'm a a MythTV noob. I'm just trying to get the TV to work in Mythtv. MythTV tells me I have no tuner. Or it did, until I removed it all, and planned on getting the tuner to work andd re-install.

[17:52:10]

wagnerrp:

you plugged the device in, do you have anything in /dev/dvb/?

[17:52:53]

Jack_D:

let me check. need a remote session.

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wagnerrp:

remote session?

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wagnerrp:

you mean ssh?

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Jack_D:

I have a VNC session up. I have an adaptor 0 and some subfolders of that

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wagnerrp:

so you're not just a mythtv noob, you're a linux noob

[17:54:32]

Jack_D:

no

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wagnerrp:

then why are you using VNC to access the terminal?

[17:55:35]

Jack_D:

I also have a ssh session up, but wanted to get to the desktop.

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Jack_D:

so I'm running VNC over ssh

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Spacedementia87:

Jack_D just do "ssh username@192.168.#.#"

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Spacedementia87:

then you can do "cd /" to get to the desktop

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wagnerrp:

you're tunneling VNC over ssh?

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Jack_D:

right

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Spacedementia87:

then do "ls -a" I think to list the directories

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Spacedementia87:

no need for VNC

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wagnerrp:

so you are trying to do this across the internet?

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wagnerrp:

well anyway, run mythtv-setup, add a tuner, select the 'DVB' type from the dropdown, and mythtv-setup should autodetect your tuner

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Jack_D:

Mythtv never gave me a chance to select a tuner, that I can remember.

[17:58:28]

Jack_D:

just select generic "dvb"

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wagnerrp:

no, select the "DVB" type

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wagnerrp:

when you select the type, mythtv-setup then goes out and tries to find tuners available on your system that match that type

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Jack_D:

ok. I'll try it again. Don't remeber seeing it before.

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wagnerrp:

and lists them

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Spacedementia87:

You need to start up mythtv-setup and then go through the settings there

[18:00:11]

Jack_D:

Yeah, can't recall seeing any of that. Ok, thanks. I've been through three or four distros now trying to get this to work.

[18:00:28]

wagnerrp:

have you ever run mythtv-setup?

[18:00:34]

wagnerrp:

on any of those distros?

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Jack_D:

All I've done so far is tried to install a MC distro, Mythbuntu, geexbox, and XBMC and followed the prompts. Geexbox, didn't like my video card. Ok, so it's an antique Nvidia.

[18:02:45]

wagnerrp:

how antique?

[18:03:21]

wagnerrp:

anything older than an 8-series is not going to be supported by modern nvidia drivers

[18:03:32]

Spacedementia87:

press the "start" button. Can't remember what it is actually called in ubuntu. Then start typing in myth. And mythtv-setup should appear

[18:03:38]

wagnerrp:

you'll have to use the legacy 173.x branch, or perhaps something older

[18:04:06]

Jack_D:

I don't know had for some time (NV44, GE Force 6200)

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wagnerrp:

what CPU?

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Jack_D:

Some old AMD dual-core, 2GB RAM. Just an old gaming pc I had laying around.

[18:06:53]

EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Nope, the 304 series supports 6200 cards

[18:07:10]

EvilGuru:

However 7xxx and 6xxx cards are getting dropped in future releases

[18:07:28]

Jack_D:

Athlon X2 4400

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wagnerrp:

really? i thought they were dropped somewhere around the 260s

[18:07:49]

EvilGuru:

I think that was the FX line

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Jack_D:

yes it's using th 173.x branch

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Jack_D:

It's so old I can't recall much without opening up.

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EvilGuru:

They are extremely old, driver wise

[18:09:18]

wagnerrp:

a 4400 should be sufficient for software decoding

[18:09:26]

Jack_D:

Well it was free, and laying around. I figured it was better than the raspPi

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Jack_D:

thanks for all the suggestions. I'm going to try again.

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Spacedementia87:

Anyone know about my audio porblem?

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Jack_D:

Ok, so is there a CLI way to configure MythTV, since it's not giving me an option to include my Hauppage in the configuration?

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wagnerrp:

walk me through the exact steps you are taking

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Jack_D:

I'm in myth-setup, I select "Configure your capture cards", select "DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)", which gives me a blank dropdown list.

[18:43:22]

wagnerrp:

where are you running mythtv-setup from?

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Jack_D:

VNC started from the CLI

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wagnerrp:

meaning on the machine with the tuner card installed?

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Jack_D:

right

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Jack_D:

It's a USB stick

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wagnerrp:

and are you running it from a user that has permissions to access the tuner?

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Jack_D:

root

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Jack_D:

I know bad form to run root.

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wagnerrp:

not at all if you're doing administrative tasks

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wagnerrp:

although in this case, mythtv-setup expects to be run as whatever user will run mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

as it performs several sanity checks on permissions and similar

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Jack_D:

ah, figures.

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wagnerrp:

could i see your mythtv-setup logs?

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Jack_D:

there are logs? cool.

[18:47:03]

wagnerrp:

yes, the stuff that prints out to the terminal you ran mythtv-setup from

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Jack_D:

You know these MythTV msgboxes are useless, cutting of the errors and message and no way to resize the dialgos.

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Jack_D:

Correction I ran it from a menu item

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wagnerrp:

well then it will log to where ever the command from the menu item told it to

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wagnerrp:

potentially just nulling the logs

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Jack_D:

nice. I wouldn't launch from an xterm

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Jack_D:

which log would I be looking for?

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wagnerrp:

wouldn't know, i dont have any menu items in my window manager of choice

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Jack_D:

mythtv-backend.log?

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wagnerrp:

if you havent configured your tuner, you shouldn't have yet run the backend

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Jack_D:

old log

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Jack_D:

Alright, I'm going to wipe and re-install the whole OS. Any suggestions on a best approach? Use Mythbuntu again, or LinuxMCE? or Arch then manually add the needed packages? Or ... ?

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EvilGuru:

Mythbuntu has always worked for me

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wagnerrp:

linuxmce != mythtv

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EvilGuru:

Well, usually I go for Ubuntu alternate with no desktop and bring in the myth packages

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lautriv:

Jack_D, reinstallis the winblows way, just fix it.

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wagnerrp:

linuxmce is a modified version of mythtv, built around a home automation suite

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EvilGuru:

Although I think that the Ubuntu installer does not support LVM and friends in its partitioner

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Jack_D:

Well I installed Mythbuntu, and then purged all of the Mythtv apps, but purging doesn't always get everything. I want to try and do as clean an install as possible.

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EvilGuru:

Jack_D: Ubuntu alternate selecting no DE will do a fair job

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Jack_D:

I know! I hate not having LVM.

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EvilGuru:

Not as important as it used to be, pre storage groups, but still nice if you have stuff other than myth recordings on your drives

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Jack_D:

Well home automation is my ultimate goal. The plan is to built a central server, this one, and then clients.

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lautriv:

*SPoF*

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** EvilGuru is still years off from being able to afford a house **

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wagnerrp:

used LVM once, lost data....

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Jack_D:

?SPoF

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EvilGuru:

Jack_D: Single point of failure

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** Jack_D Wishes he didn't own a house **

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wagnerrp:

i dont think home users really need to be concerned with a single point of failure

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: It is a PITA if a drive dies, you often only lose what was on the drive but coaxing LVM into activing RW group with a missing drive is a mess

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Jack_D:

ah, of course.

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lautriv:

Jack_D, Single Point of Failure ......... central server fail --> no light in the living-room, no lunch for your fishes, no water for your dog .....

[19:04:28]

Jack_D:

I don't worry too much about SPoF anymore, not since my great crash.

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wagnerrp:

i make my single points of failure places easy to repair

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Jack_D:

Lost my main server, and three backups and the last backup was unreadable all in the span of two weeks. Taxes were late, and had to rebild my books from scratch.

[19:05:51]

wagnerrp:

but its simply too expensive to remove them all together

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Jack_D:

That was about 9 yearsago.

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** Jack_D wonders how lautriv knows about my fish? ;') **

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lautriv:

Jack_D, can you see the red light on your webcam ?

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** wagnerrp wonders what this computer-controlled fish food dispenser lautriv has rigged up is **

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Jack_D:

alright, well I'm off to rebuild. Will try the Mythbuntu again, as it's the least effort at this point.

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lautriv:

Jack_D, will this machine be only backend ?

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Jack_D:

No it's our main TV.

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Jack_D:

Girls aren't happy about me messing with their TV watching habit with my commandeering of said TV.

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wagnerrp:

that would make a decent backend, but i wouldn't suggest that being a primary frontend in the long term

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Jack_D:

Yes, it seems a bit flaky.

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wagnerrp:

would want a better video card, quieter CPU, smaller system

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lautriv:

Jack_D, anyway, i would fix the existing

[19:10:11]

Jack_D:

Once I get one working, I'll begin building a nice system.

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wagnerrp:

right, get this working and spend some time with mythtv first, then decide what route you want to go with it

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Jack_D:

I'm up for fixing it, but without having a list of possible tuners I don't see how. I'm worried I screwed up the database by doing a purge.

[19:11:55]

Jack_D:

I have an old dual intell chip server around, but it's a bit of a monster.

[19:12:06]

lautriv:

Jack_D, of there is no tuner at all, check dmesg, maybe you miss some firmware.

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Jack_D:

No the tuner is there, and the drivers running, but the setup doesn't list any.

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Jack_D:

Or I'm in the wrong setup?

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lautriv:

Jack_D, and you have /dev/dvb/adapter0 ?

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Jack_D:

Well that's wierd, now it's gone!

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Jack_D:

let me reboot

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lautriv:

Jack_D, still used to winblows ;)

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Jack_D:

I use it every day to make a living, but the only Windows I run is inside a VM inside of Linux. Have not run a Windows machine at home for more than a decade.

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lautriv:

Jack_D, you reboot linux only for another kernel.

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Jack_D:

Srtill need to learn more about Linux ways, for sure, but with running a company and raising a family Jack has little time to play.

[19:20:11]

Jack_D:

Hunh. it unplugged itself!

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Jack_D:

Yeah rebooting wasn't the way to go, now the backend is trying to run and just sitting there respawuning itself.

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Jack_D:

well, that's seems to have fixed it. Now it sees the adaptor.

[19:35:35]

Jack_D:

although the backend is still respawning now. So something else to try and figure out.

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wagnerrp:

lautriv: that would make a terrible backend machine

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wagnerrp:

you're better off spending some actual money on the machine, and making it up over the next year in reduced electrical costs

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lautriv:

wagnerrp, beside my backend's already running......why should that box be so terrible ?

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wagnerrp:

because the best single-core opteron made might be what... 2.8GHz?

[19:38:12]

Jack_D:

This is just an experimental machine. Just bought a new car and fixed another, so cash is low this month.

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wagnerrp:

unless its an even older Athlon MP

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wagnerrp:

unless you actually have need for a controller for old U160 drives, and a bunch of PCI slots

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wagnerrp:

you could pick up a board, comparable CPU, and a couple GB of memory for like $150

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wagnerrp:

and wind up with something that idles at less than a quarter the power consumption

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Jack_D:

what's so bad about a dual core 64 bit 2.2GHz processor?

[19:40:19]

wagnerrp:

he said "dual", not "dual core"

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wagnerrp:

meaning a multi-socket server

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Jack_D:

Should I resurrect my old 8088?

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lautriv:

wagnerrp, actual SATA drives may have more space but seeking a bunch slower than U160.

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wagnerrp:

and if its actually an athlon, and not an opteron, its only 32-bit, and you've got some hard limits on memory

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Jack_D:

I have a dual Intel server, but not using it.

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Jack_D:

dual cpu

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wagnerrp:

lautriv: that is absolutely incorrect

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wagnerrp:

SATA trumps P-SCSI in all aspects

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Jack_D:

Athonl X2 it's running in 64 bit mode right now.

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wagnerrp:

the only advantage of the U160 drives is that you are specifically referring to 10K or 15K drives

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Jack_D:

with a sata 7200 1TB

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lautriv:

wagnerrp, in sequential, yes. random .....no way.

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wagnerrp:

you can get 10K SATA drives that will out perform a 10K U160 drive

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Jack_D:

true that

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wagnerrp:

you can get 15K SAS drives that will out perform a 15K U160 drive

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wagnerrp:

and if you're really that concerned about random access, then just buy an SSD

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Jack_D:

at 15k is speed really relevant anymore?

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lautriv:

ok for SAS, but not SATA

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wagnerrp:

yes, SATA can do command requeing just

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wagnerrp:

like scsi

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wagnerrp:

jack_d: in my opinion, not really

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Jack_D:

speedfreaks. lol ;')

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wagnerrp:

as far as im concerned, the only time rotating storage should be used is for inexpensive bulk storage

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wagnerrp:

if you need speed, use something solid state

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wagnerrp:

15K drives were relevant back when SSDs of meaningful capacity were too expensive to be economically viable

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wagnerrp:

now, they're just overpriced and underperforming

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Spacedementia87:

SSDs are still really expensive though

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wagnerrp:

ever look at how much enterprise 10K and 15K drives cost?

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lautriv:

wagnerrp, while we are about speed ...........i observe some problems wth myth around midnight, seeing massive CPU load on mysql and live-stream will breakdown ....... also all the time this annoying ringbuf messages. but i have enought resources on the master ?

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Spacedementia87:

Well I am not loking at those. Just a standard SATA HDD vs SSD

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Jack_D:

Well unles it's part of an existing array, in a mission critical machine.

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wagnerrp:

lautriv: the likely issue there is that you're running MySQL with poorly optimized settings on a filesystem with barriers enabled

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lautriv:

ONE good enterprice-class hdd will cost more than most spend for the entire system

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EvilGuru:

lautriv: Don't buy the hype about 'enteprize' class anything

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wagnerrp:

when you enable barriers, each forced sync will be flushed all the way to the platter, not just the cache

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wagnerrp:

and mysql sync on every permanent write to the database

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wagnerrp:

in other words, each INSERT or UPDATE will cost several tens of ms on the drive and it reseeks to multiple positions to commit the change to the filesystem

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wagnerrp:

s/and/as/

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kormoc:

lautriv, $600 is more then most people spend on an entire computer? That seems… low

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wagnerrp:

do you record to the same filesystem that your database is stored on?

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lautriv:

kormoc, some spend more but the masses ...

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wagnerrp:

lautriv: what features do you consider make something a "enterprise class" hard drive?

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wagnerrp:

as far as 7200RPM drives are concerned, the only difference from one drive to the next is features in the firmware

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: # of platters matters quite a bit

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lautriv:

wagnerrp, rmp/interface/cache basically you can't get them on the corner ;)

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EvilGuru:

lautriv: Interface is a $5 chip, cache is just DDR2 memory

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wagnerrp:

if you're talking SSDs, "enterprise" drives are often going to use SLC memory, or MLC memory rated to a much higher cycle life than the consumer fare

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kormoc:

enterprise hard drives typically are purely 10k or 15k drive versions of a 7.2k prosumer drive

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lautriv:

EvilGuru, you miss a bunch, the whole technology behind the chip is reliable .

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wagnerrp:

i could see anything fiber channel being enterprise, but that interface is rapidly dying out

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EvilGuru:

kormoc: Are you sure? I always had them down as having far smaller platters due to heat etc

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 10/15K drives are generally using 2–2.5" platters

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wagnerrp:

which is why their storage capacity is so low

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lautriv:

wagnerrp, to complete your question ....... db is not on the same drive, all FS is XFS

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EvilGuru:

Can't remember the last true 3.5" 10k or 15k drive, some years ago at least

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kormoc:

EvilGuru, sure, but that's the difference. You can get 64 meg caches on consumer level drives, so it's not cache. They use the same controller chips. They're tested a little better, but there's really not much difference

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kormoc:

lautriv, what's using the cpu? iowait or a specific process?

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EvilGuru:

kormoc: Exactly, enterpise class drivers are not radically different from consumer drives

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lautriv:

kormoc, i had just a short look via my smartphone and saw mysqld eating 47% of one CPU ( master has 4 x 3,2 GHz )

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kormoc:

lautriv, perhaps it was during a mythfilldatabase run?

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lautriv:

kormoc, maybe, or some mysql-backup but should not interrupt a live-showing ( or even recording)

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kormoc:

lautriv, depends. if the seek table gets backed up, it can be a little rough

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** lautriv wonders if he should put the DB on ext2 **

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kormoc:

ext4 is fine

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lautriv:

i don't trist ext4 since it killed data on 2.6.31

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lautriv:

*trust

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: offtopic, but whenever you get a chance, could you take a look at this query? http://pastebin.com/pdiMnrVm

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kormoc:

which has been fixed forever

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wagnerrp:

it appears to work, and seems to be plenty fast, but i have concerns that it's giving me inconsistent results

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Inner subquery may be evaluated more than once

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EvilGuru:

Until 5.6 MySQL does not properly handle <foo> IN (uncorrelated subquery) and evals the sub query multiple times

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wagnerrp:

something i cludged together a few weeks ago to search down multiple use of IP addresses

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, inconsistent how exactly?

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wagnerrp:

nothing concrete, just that the results from months back seem to be changing

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wagnerrp:

or like, ill get a result showing up from early september, that i should have cleared out, but it didn't show up previously

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wagnerrp:

although that might be from the database actually changing, and being updated from an attempt to log into an account from a different ip

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wagnerrp:

im not sure

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

it's also likely due to the join ordering

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wagnerrp:

i fully admit, i have no idea what im actually doing here, and just stacked smaller queries together until i got something that seemed to work

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lautriv:

i'm no sql-guru ........if i will change the drive/FS is it ok to shuffle ( mv/cp ) the DB around while mysql-server is down ?

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kormoc:

as long as the end path is the same (or you update the config file with the new path), yes

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lautriv:

i think about holding the original path, just need to move it elsewhere while changing drive and/or FS.

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wagnerrp:

you would likely find yourself better served by some basic mysql tweaking

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lautriv:

mythtv itself is flaky if it comes to mysql ;)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, this might work better, http://pastebin.com/E0rNYhKY

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wagnerrp:

"having count"... thats a new one for me

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wagnerrp:

thanks, ill give it a try

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kormoc:

HAVING is a end filter. it builds the full result table and then filters it down with the HAVING clause. it's basically what you were doing, just one less sub select

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