Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, September 19th, 2012, 00:02 UTC

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tgm4883:

well that was way longer than it should have been

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, I'm at home now, checking my frontend

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tgm4883:

I've got this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173001

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[R]:

that's what she said

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mkrufky:

:-)

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tgm4883:

[R], nice

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, using this driver xorg:nvidia_current_updates – NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (Proprietary, Enabled, In use)

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tgm4883:

on 12.04.1

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tgm4883:

Using MythTV master builds

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mkrufky:

oh. you're building from source?

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, no

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tgm4883:

mythbuntu team provides 0.26 builds

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mkrufky:

'master builds' ?

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mkrufky:

ah

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mkrufky:

ok

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mkrufky:

im running mythbuntu

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tgm4883:

playback profile is VDPAU Normal

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tgm4883:

mine is pretty much a stock mythbuntu 12.04 with updates and using the 0.26 PPA

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mkrufky:

i see, im running 0.25

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tgm4883:

I don't recall if I ran 0.25 on this with 12.04, I did with 10.04 though

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mkrufky:

i could try 0.26 on the frontend, but only if it will talk to my backend running 0.25, which i kinda doubt :-/

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tgm4883:

nope

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tgm4883:

I don't think it should make a difference

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mkrufky:

yea i dont either

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tgm4883:

Are you wired all the way to the backend?

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mkrufky:

i think it was 0.21 that i was previously running stable

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mkrufky:

wired, yes

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tgm4883:

hmm

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mkrufky:

as opposed to wifi ?

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tgm4883:

yea

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mkrufky:

yea its wired

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mkrufky:

same exact setup used to work with the older build of myth

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mkrufky:

but i had to upgrade the backend

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mkrufky:

and then the frontends, obviously

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mkrufky:

one frontend works just fine

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mkrufky:

but the ion330 doesnt :-( it plays fine for a few sec then gets choppy

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mkrufky:

it seems worse on 1080i content than 720p content

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tgm4883:

odd

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tgm4883:

I'm able to do bluray fine here

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mkrufky:

but 'worse' is not a good description, as its unwatchable regardless

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mkrufky:

i can play mkv's and all just fine

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mkrufky:

and i can play anything in vlc

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tgm4883:

both audio and video skip?

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mkrufky:

its just mythtv playback that is bad

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mkrufky:

audio mutes

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mkrufky:

and video gets slow

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mkrufky:

the audio buffer fills up

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mkrufky:

if i use the menu, in the playback show playback data, it shows the 8mb audio buffer 0% available, but i do not know if thats a bad thing or not

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, what is the CPU usage like during playback?

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mkrufky:

i'll see ...

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mkrufky:

96.6% idle

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mkrufky:

mythfrontend.real is using 12% of one cpu

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mkrufky:

there are 4 cores

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tgm4883:

hmm, ok, so it's not really doing much

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mkrufky:

(or is it 2 cores hyperthreading, i forget)

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mkrufky:

when i play on the GOOD frontend, if i go to live playback menu->playback->playback data, it shows available buffer: 99% of 4Mb

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ertyu_:

atom 330 is dual core, hyperthreaded

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mkrufky:

but on the ION 330, it shows available buffer 0% of 8Mb

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mkrufky:

i believe this buffer is my problem

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mkrufky:

thanks ertyu-m

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tgm4883:

I know you have tested outside of MythTV, but have you tested inside mythtv with local video?

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mkrufky:

how can i manupulate that buffer?

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mkrufky:

not with local video ... how can i test local video on this?

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mkrufky:

i dont even have any local video on that machine ... the hard drive just has the OS on it and i play all content over nfs or mythtv

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, on 0.25 you'll need to first copy something locally, then add the directory in the local video section

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mkrufky:

ok , i will take one of the recordings and copy it over

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mkrufky:

but...

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mkrufky:

do you know anything about this buffer that is reported in the "playback data" display?

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tgm4883:

no idea

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mkrufky:

i believe that is my problem ...

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mkrufky:

although im not sure...

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mkrufky:

on the bad machine, its 0% available

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mkrufky:

on the good machine its 99% available

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, was this a fresh 12.04 install, or upgrade?

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mkrufky:

fresh install

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tgm4883:

ok

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mkrufky:

first i upgraded and had this exact problem

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mkrufky:

then wiped it

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mkrufky:

did a fresh install

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mkrufky:

although

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mkrufky:

...

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mkrufky:

i am probably inheriting old settings from the database on the mythbackend server

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mkrufky:

wait... you wanted me to test 'local playback' by using the mythvideo stuff........

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mkrufky:

that already works over the network

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tgm4883:

OMG people are dumb

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mkrufky:

its my recordings that wont playback

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mkrufky:

<-- people?

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tgm4883:

sorry, I turned on the TV to see the playback data and the news is one

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mkrufky:

ah, ok

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tgm4883:

some 8 year old got a bottle stuck on her tounge, had to go to the ER

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wagnerrp:

how do you get a bottle stuck on your tongue?

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mkrufky:

heh

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, IDK, the girl is dumb

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tgm4883:

and the mom is like " i thought I was going to lose my daughter that night"

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wagnerrp:

because child protective services would have taken the child away from the stupid parent?

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tgm4883:

no she thought she was going to die

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wagnerrp:

how are you going to die from getting your tongue stuck in a bottle?

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, so my available buffer hung around 30–50%, until I paused it, waited a few seconds then restarted it

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tgm4883:

then it jumped to 99%

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, IDK, I told you these people are dumb

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mkrufky:

yea the fact that my available buffer is 0% makes me feel like something is wrong there

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, if you pause and restart, does it work for a few seconds?

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mkrufky:

a second

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mkrufky:

not a few

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, ok, I'd like to test with local recording then

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mkrufky:

i dont have a backend installed on that machine

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, no need

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tgm4883:

the frontend still has legacy frontend directories in 0.25

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mkrufky:

im not sure what you're asking me to do

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tgm4883:

can you copy a recording (or any video you are having issues with) over to the frontend?

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tgm4883:

outside of mythtv

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mkrufky:

sure

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tgm4883:

ok

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tgm4883:

do that

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tgm4883:

then in the frontend, go to

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mkrufky:

and how do i play it on the frontend via myth?

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mkrufky:

ok

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tgm4883:

Setup > media settings > video settings

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tgm4883:

General settings

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tgm4883:

you should then see a bunch of areas looking for directories, they are probably blank now

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tgm4883:

You need to put in the directory you added the file to

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tgm4883:

for "Directories that hold videos"

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, once you have that copied down and added to the frontend directories, we'll use mythvideo to test it

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mkrufky:

yes its copying now

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tgm4883:

should be a valid test, as they both use the same player

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mkrufky:

tgm4883: mythvideo plays the local file fine

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, ok

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, so someone more knowledgable might want to weigh in, and in my experience the myth protocol uses a bit more bandwidth, but it sounds like your network can't keep up to that frontend for some reason

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mkrufky:

:-( it was never a problem until recently

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tgm4883:

I wonder if your frontend isn't negotiating the link correctly?

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mkrufky:

the ethernet link?

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tgm4883:

yea

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mkrufky:

i can play my h.264 files and avi's etc over NFS just fine

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, smaller files, more compressed, means they transfer less data for the same length of video

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tgm4883:

what tuner do you have?

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mkrufky:

hmm, the mpeg2 ts is higher bitrate

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mkrufky:

its atsc recordings

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mkrufky:

the tuner that recorded these is a Hauppauge HVR1250

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, ah yea, higher bitrate, lossy and less compression

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mkrufky:

but they play just fine on a different frontend, so its not the tuners

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mkrufky:

but yes, they are ~10 mbps

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tgm4883:

right, I don't think it's the tuners or recordings, just the link to that specific frontend

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, if you run nm-tool, what is the speed it says it's connected at?

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mkrufky:

100 Mb/s

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tgm4883:

ok, that should be fine then

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mkrufky:

oh, here's something tho...........

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mkrufky:

i used scp to copy the recording over the network

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mkrufky:

it was the simpsons, so .... half hour recording?

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mkrufky:

but scp was saying it would take ~45 min to copy

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mkrufky:

of course scp adds overhead

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mkrufky:

but

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mkrufky:

not THAT MUCH overhead

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mkrufky:

maybe i am indeed having some sort of network problem

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tgm4883:

yea that seems odd

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mkrufky:

it was a 2.5 Gb file and it shouldnt take 45 min to scp that over

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tgm4883:

I'm assuming it's about 2.5 GB

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tgm4883:

yea

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mkrufky:

(obviously i ctrl-c'd it before the copy completed)

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mkrufky:

hmm

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mkrufky:

maybe its a network issue on the BACKEND

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mkrufky:

my frontend that WORKS is the backend itself

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tgm4883:

ah

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mkrufky:

so perhaps this indeed is a network problem

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tgm4883:

could be then

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mkrufky:

meh

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tgm4883:

I think it's safe to say it isn't a MythTV issue, as it works locally

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tgm4883:

although the added overhead doesn't help

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mkrufky:

mythvideo is the same as using mythfrontend to play recordings ??

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, it uses the same player

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tgm4883:

the internal mythtv player

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mkrufky:

ok

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mkrufky:

ok well this is progress

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tgm4883:

yep

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mkrufky:

:-( i fixed the problem

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mkrufky:

apparantly the frackin switch needed to be rebooted

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mattwj2002:

have any of you guys played around with these mythtv android apps?

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mkrufky:

!#!$^#^&%$%$@

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mkrufky:

i use mythmote and love it

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mattwj2002:

there is a mythfrontend too

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, thats great news

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tgm4883:

is it just a cheap dumb switch?

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tgm4883:

or something managed?

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mkrufky:

a linksys cheap dumb switch

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mkrufky:

yea now i can scp 13Mb/s instead of 1.3

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mkrufky:

damn!

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mkrufky:

so it was in some bad state for the last month, at least!

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** mattwj2002 stabs mkrufky's switch **

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mkrufky:

thanks for making me copy the huge recording over the network to that machine, tgm4883

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, but all fixed now, which is good

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mkrufky:

yea its good now

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mkrufky:

yay!

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tgm4883:

mkrufky, I'm very good at troubleshooting things, or so I'm told

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mkrufky:

...and to think i wanted to write code today

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mkrufky:

hehe yes well you were very helpful

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mkrufky:

heh oops

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mattwj2002:

mythtv I <<<<<3 you

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

ota isn't too bad

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mattwj2002:

I really should get basic cable though

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mattwj2002:

the local news spelt 1 million dollars as $1,00,000 haha

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mattwj2002:

:P

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[R]:

atleast your local news didnt say the iphone 5 had a holographic keyboard

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mattwj2002:

I am so tired of the iphone news

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mattwj2002:

have a good night all

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mattwj2002:

bye!

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monkeypet69:

you guys see the ifon5 steve jobs rap video, funny as hell.

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monkeypet69:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXr1kmuqGcU&sns=em

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blscearce:

The new MythBuntu 25.25 theme is very nice, but the "originalairdate" widget it includes is like "Tue Sep 18" rather than the more useful "Sep 18 2012". Is that an error in the widget?

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trumee__:

is this the best way of creating channel bouqets in mythv? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Creating_a_TV_Bouquet

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jason1969:

OK, So LIRC is driving me slightly mad. I'm going in circles. What is the correct configuration for MythtBuntu 25.2-fixes + Antec Fusion RM200 under Linux 3.2.x

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stuartm:

jason1969: maybe better to ask that in #mythbuntu – they have a automatic configuration tool which might help

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jason1969:

I think my question is perhaps 'how should it work'? I undertand that the drivers are now in the kernel, so LIRCD is only there to translate kernel events into LIRC events. How does MythTV use that info?

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stuartm:

it connects to the lircd daemon

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stuartm:

that behaviour hasn't changed any, if you're familiar with using lirc in the past

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stuartm:

if mythfrontend finds the lirc daemon running it connects, receives lirc events containing a keypress action which it then translates into an internal action

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stuartm:

it translates the lirc keypress to a key action using the lircrc config file stored in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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smoothifier:

hi all. i'm running rsyslog. if i implement the rules mentioned on the wiki, would my mythtv logs no longer be echoed in /var/log/messages (my main log file)?

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smoothifier:

that's my goal – to put the mythtv logs in their own place. right now, they are in two places – messages and in their own separate logs in /var/log/mythtv

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smoothifier:

ok, just re-reading that wiki page says that is what should happen. i guess i just have to give it a shot

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