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FinnTux:

How far actually is 0.26 final? www.mythtv.org says "August 19th – either v0.26 (final) or v0.26-rc1" but I think we are past that. I know the standard "when it's ready" answer but I was hoping for rough estimate.

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[R]:

when its ready

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[R]:

check the tickets on the trac

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TwiztedZero:

isn't it ready when you hear the "Ding!: ?

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MMlosh:

Hmm.. I can't parse mythweb to get the information reliably. Reask: Is there a way how to mass-export all recordings from mythtv? Or listing recording names next to filenames?

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[R]:

what?

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MMlosh:

[R], I am removing one mythtv installation

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MMlosh:

there are some recordings left, I would like to keep those (and convert them to a more appropriate format for storage)

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[R]:

mythexport

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MMlosh:

If I could list which file in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings houses which recordings, it would be helpful

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MMlosh:

Also I want to avoid copying

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[R]:

well there is mythlink

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[R]:

but you did say convert

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[R]:

i.e. mythexport

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MMlosh:

I'll convert them with ffmpeg/avconv

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MMlosh:

All I need is renaming the files to something sane

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[R]:

or

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[R]:

you could just use mythexport

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MMlosh:

is there a manual/download place for that?

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sheppard:

is there any way to use a internal tuner with a commercial provider?

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[R]:

MMlosh: exporting is on the wiki

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[R]:

sheppard: huh?

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sheppard:

sorry, new to sattelite.

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sheppard:

can I get a pci card that will work with sattelite? so I don't have to bother with IR blasters, etc

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[R]:

what satelite

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MMlosh:

[R], where? Search found only ipod_export and dpd_export

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[R]:

MMlosh: dunno

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[R]:

mythacrhive maybe

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MMlosh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Special%3ASe . . . rt&go=Go even seach on the wiki results in nothing useful

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[R]:

mytharchive maybe...

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MMlosh:

that might work, even though it seems to be targeted primarily at burning DVDs

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MMlosh:

hmm.. that's a GUI... something scriptable would work better.

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MMlosh:

good, it has Select All....

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MMlosh:

[R], but I am afraid that I'll copy the recordings

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EvilGuru:

What is up with the mythbuntu theme? It has been getting a lot of updates recently

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MMlosh:

mytharchive seems broken, says "could not find any logs to show" When I ask for plain export to directory

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n1md4:

Morning. I figured out a problem I was having last night, where the capture devices were not available and the backend would not start, I had to disable ipv6. Don't suppose anyone would know the significance?

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MMlosh:

HA, found my answer. set all files for export in mytharchive, kill the process, harvest /var/lib/mytharchive/temp/mydata.xml

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bennylb0:

Just installed Myhbuntu 12.04 with DTV2000DS and lspci or lusb don't list the device. What steps can I take to get the kernel to recognise it?

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Twiggy2cents:

bennylb0, unplug it and replug it then check dmesg and see what it says

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Twiggy2cents:

nvm mind on the unplug, I didnt notice it is pci

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Twiggy2cents:

scan dmesg for it, or try dmesg | grep dvb or something like that, you might need different terms maybe V4L

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lautriv:

bennylb0, lspci should see something, even if it loads no drivers. otherwise it is not/bad plugged or defect.

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Twiggy2cents:

lautriv, I dont think it does unless the kernel can recognize it. I had a cheapo external hdd that didnt show up in lsusb and the kernel complained that it had no clue what it was so it said it was a generic usb device

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stuartm:

if lscpi doesn't list it, then it's usually broken hardware

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lautriv:

Twiggy2cents, it has to see at least busid:vendor:subdevice regardless of it's functionality, USB is not the same.

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Twiggy2cents:

gotcha

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stuartm:

lscpi lists all devices connected to the PCI bus whether or not drivers are available

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stuartm:

bennylb0: if you've changed the bios config it's possible that you've disabled some/all PCI slots or something, but if you did that then you'd have known you were doing it, so DoA hardware or improperly seated card are the most likely scenarios

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stuartm:

DoA hardware is a lot more common than you might think, I've had a couple of PCI cards which were broken out of the box, one was a tuner card – returned it and the replacement worked just fine

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bennylb0:

Thanks all for your help, I had been hoping that wasn't the case but it's looking that way

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** lautriv had very less issues with broken cards but it happens. **

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lautriv:

bennylb0, maybe it'S the very last slot on board ?

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bennylb0:

It's the second last slot on the board

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lautriv:

bennylb0, ok, maybe broken, maybe a conflict. paste the whole dmesg.

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bennylb0:

I could have sworn that on the vanilla install of Ubuntu 12.04 jockey showed drivers for it but it may have been for iMON irc

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bennylb0:

I will post from dmesg when I open it. Thanks

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sickan:

Have been trying to setup mythtv (0.25.2) for Fedora 16 for 2 weeks now but i can't get any channels listed. Anyone here that can help out? also tell me how to list logs that you might want to see. thx

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lautriv:

sickan, what tuners ?

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sickan:

oh, hehe forgot that PVR 500

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lautriv:

sickan, PVR 500 is cabe ?

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lautriv:

*cable

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sickan:

yeah

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sickan:

I'm not that into TV but i record stuff from time to time

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lautriv:

did you setup those device(s) without errors and created input-groups ?

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sickan:

Yeah, both are setup and uses xmltv, DIRs are setup, everything seems OK but when scanning not one channel shows up

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lautriv:

sickan, i do SAT and can't tell you details but you need at least enter some defaults from your provider.

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sickan:

oh btw, with input groups you mean input connectios, right?

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lautriv:

yes, connections

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sickan:

like the frequencies?

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sickan:

that i no clue of

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sickan:

+have

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lautriv:

yes, initial settings to scan something.

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sickan:

i thought that it knew the frequencies and using Europe-West it should be able to find channels. or do you mean something else?

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sickan:

i just push the scan button and it goes thru all channels in like 5 seconds

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lautriv:

sickan, digital worls works with transponders and channels, you need the first(head) from your provider which in turn sends info about others too.

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** lautriv has to work, back in a few **

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sickan:

k

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sickan:

oh btw... its analog too.. brb

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sickan:

back

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sickan:

one thing that I'm thinking of is, does the IVTV driver work or do i have to use V4L? Think i saw something the other day that mythtv and pvr500 only works with V4L but i can't find that anymore

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devinheitmueller:

The pvr500 *must* be used with the ivtv driver, as the 500 driver doesn't actually support uncompressed video delivery.

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tgm4883`:

EvilGuru, it has a maintainer now

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devinheitmueller:

(and hence you cannot use the V4L2 driver)

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sickan:

k, got it, this is where i found the info: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-500

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devinheitmueller:

sickan: which section in that doc are you referring to?

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sickan:

almost at top... Support Status Fully supported by MythTV through Video4Linux

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, that's a little misleading. I blame MythTV for have separate categories for "ivtv" versus "v4l" in the input type selection. In actuality they are both "v4l2", and the application should just query whether the device supports MPEG2 delivery.

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devinheitmueller:

Most of that is historical though, which is why it's pretty understandable.

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sickan:

k

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sickan:

where can i find any "good" logs that might point me to the error?

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devinheitmueller:

dmesg output? the mythbackend log?

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sickan:

k

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sickan:

in dmesg, can I grep that or will some stuff that i might need be removed? i grep it on ivtv and no errors there

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devinheitmueller:

You are best to post the entire dmesg output. Grepping often causes you to unknowingly exclude things that are in fact relevent.

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devinheitmueller:

(for example, messages from the tuner chip won't show up with a grep for ivtv)

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sickan:

k

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sickan:

k but where to post it? not here right

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devinheitmueller:

pastebin.org

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sickan:

k thx

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devinheitmueller:

(then post the link in irc)

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sickan:

eyp

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sickan:

yep

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sickan:

where's the default log path for mythtvbackend?

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sickan:

here's the dmesg: http://pastebin.com/zRWTxnB3

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devinheitmueller:

Ok, nothing of significance there. What symptoms are you experiencing?

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devinheitmueller:

brb

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sickan:

k

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devinheitmueller:

sickan: back

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sickan:

well everything is setup, as far as I know, the only thing that happens is that when scanning no channels are found, thus giving me an "warning" when trying to exit mythtvfrontend. also the /etc/config.xml is empty. and since im Swedish the only channel freq. table I can use is europe-west

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devinheitmueller:

Are you using the coax input?

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sickan:

yeah

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devinheitmueller:

You may wish to try ivtv-tune from the command line and see if the board works in general.

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devinheitmueller:

(in conjunction with "cat /dev/video0")

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devinheitmueller:

That will allow you to validate the card and driver are working as expected.

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devinheitmueller:

Also, what version of MythTV are you using?

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sickan:

k got it, do i need backed for that+

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sickan:

?

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devinheitmueller:

No, in fact you need to stop the backend service to perform such a test.

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sickan:

0.25.2

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sickan:

k

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devinheitmueller:

(since only one application at a time can connect to the card)

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sickan:

isnt that the latest?

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, that's fine.

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sickan:

k

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sickan:

ill try that

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devinheitmueller:

Analog channel scanning was broken at one point, but it was fixed a long time ago.

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devinheitmueller:

afaik.

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sickan:

k

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sickan:

we'll see what i get :P

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sickan:

dont know what to think, kept "screaming" about that no backend was running, otherwise it seemed OK, well i cant watch live TV and also due to no backend

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devinheitmueller:

Pardon?

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sickan:

the frontend test :P

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sickan:

oh my bad... lmao, i kinda got that wrong.. lol you didnt tell me to test the fontend :P sorry

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sickan:

i got no ivtv-tune

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devinheitmueller:

You probably need to install it.

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devinheitmueller:

What package provides it depends on your distro.

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sickan:

k

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sickan:

not in F16 i can tell ya :P

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ikevin-:

does it exist a tiny linux distrib with just mythfronted installed?

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devinheitmueller:

For Fedora, it's in the "ivtv-utils" RPM.

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sickan:

k

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sickan:

sure is weird, us, japan and australia works but no other req. tables exists, it says

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sickan:

brb

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sickan:

back

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sickan:

oh, forgot to change the channel :P so.. i do get a freq with this but then what?

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sickan:

its almost 6:30pm and i still havent eating anything so I better go do some food :P bbl

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sickan:

need to reboot...

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sickan:

back

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wizbit:

is mythtv .25 compatible with zoneminder 1.25.0 ?

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samba35:

hello ,i am new to mythtv i am planning to build one for me can you please recommand me some external tv tuner card

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wagnerrp:

why would you want an external one?

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wagnerrp:

need to know some information first...

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wagnerrp:

what country? what kind of tv do you want to record?

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samba35:

i thought its better ? may be i wrong

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samba35:

i am from india

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wagnerrp:

its better to not have a bunch of crap outside your box if possible

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samba35:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

and just personal preference, i don't like or trust USB

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samba35:

can you please recommand some good option

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wagnerrp:

india is going to be DVB-T, i dont have any experience with that

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samba35:

you are from which country ?

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wagnerrp:

US

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wagnerrp:

over here, we use ATSC

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wagnerrp:

different protocol, different tuner hardware

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samba35:

ic

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samba35:

in india we use set-top box provided by service provider

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samba35:

with smart card

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wagnerrp:

you _may_ be able to get a DVB-S (satellite) or DVB-C (cable) tuner with a CI slot, and a CAM to plug into it and accept the smart card

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wagnerrp:

if so, you can tune directly

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wagnerrp:

if not, you're going to be stuck with analog capture and an IR transmitter to control that external set top box

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samba35:

please wait i will provide some service provider set top box details

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wagnerrp:

ive never used a CI or a CAM, so providing me details will be of no use

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samba35:

so what should i do

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wagnerrp:

hang around until someone who knows something about such things shows up

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wagnerrp:

or try asking on the mailing list

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samba35:

ok

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samba35:

do you have any idea on google tv ? is it possible to build google tv on home computer ?

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wagnerrp:

google tv is designed to provide a passthrough overlay on top of existing set top boxes

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wagnerrp:

such a thing requires special hardware, not available on a PC

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samba35:

if i purchase vizio co-star and if i hook thier deive to my set top box will it work ?

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sickan:

devinheitmueller: still here?

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devinheitmueller:

sickan: yeah.

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devinheitmueller:

Any luck with ivtv-tune?

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sickan:

well, kinda, just look up a bit and u'll see

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devinheitmueller:

Are you running "cat /dev/video0 > out.mpg" after doing the ivtv-tune call?

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sickan:

uh, no, i dont know wut freq. one special channel has and most of the channels has no show on it

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sickan:

ill take forever to go through them all

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wagnerrp:

special channeL?

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sickan:

eg. channel 22 show me one freq. and i dont know if that channel has any broadcasting on it, thus forcing me to test lots of them

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devinheitmueller:

If you set the channel table argument, you just specify the channel number, not the frequency.

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sickan:

yeah but i dont know what channel has a show on it or just static

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devinheitmueller:

If you cannot test without the PVR-500, how do you know that your problem isn't that you're not really getting channels at all?

[18:18:44]

devinheitmueller:

I would suggest trying it in Windows to understand which channels you can receive, or just connect the coax feed to a real television.

[18:19:01]

sickan:

the machine used to have winblows on it and using GBPVR and that worked

[18:19:02]

devinheitmueller:

In short, we have no idea if your incoming feed is working at all.

[18:19:10]

wagnerrp:

is there any "signal level" coming off analog tuners?

[18:19:36]

wagnerrp:

i assume there has to be for analog scanning to function

[18:19:38]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: depends on the tuner. My experience with the older ivtv based cards is pretty minimal.

[18:19:51]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: the analog scanner typically works off the presence of signal lock, not signal level.

[18:20:03]

sickan:

i used just cat /dev/tuner0 to the screen and it showed me something but i dont know it if was just static

[18:20:29]

wagnerrp:

well either... just some simple script that loops through the channels and tests for lock

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devinheitmueller:

You need to redirect the output to a file, and then play back the file in VLC or mplayer.

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wagnerrp:

use tvtime and the framegrabber node?

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sickan:

k.. ill do that for some channels and hope i hit one that works :P

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: does ivtv even expose the framegrabber?

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sickan:

never heard of

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wagnerrp:

the older ones, yes

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sickan:

ill be back

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wagnerrp:

my -150s list a video0/video24/video32

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wagnerrp:

im not certain off hand which is which

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: If I recall, it exposes the HM12 format via video32, but it's not in actual videobuf frames, and hence cannot be played in tvtime.

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wagnerrp:

[ 7.571516] ivtv0: Registered device video32 for encoder YUV (2048 kB)

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, that's it.

[18:23:06]

devinheitmueller:

You cannot play that in tvtime.

[18:23:34]

devinheitmueller:

First because it's using a colorspace tvtime doesn't support (HM12), and second because tvtime only supports mmap'd v4l2 buffer mode (doesn't support stream mode)

[18:23:34]

wagnerrp:

the audio is on video24?

[18:23:41]

devinheitmueller:

Yes.

[18:23:44]

devinheitmueller:

It's PCM audio.

[18:24:03]

devinheitmueller:

Newer variants of such drivers (like cx18) still have video24, but also expose raw audio via ALSA.

[18:24:53]

wagnerrp:

years back, there was some script that would loop through all potential channels, and grab a screenshot using mplayer

[18:25:03]

wagnerrp:

for the purposes of quickly identifying channels

[18:25:45]

wagnerrp:

although now that i think about it, that was probably for digital, since there would have been little reason to try to identify analog channels

[18:26:06]

wagnerrp:

some jackass keeps trying to send me a fax (i think)

[18:27:58]

stuartm:

or they are still on dialup and have entered the wrong number :)

[18:28:43]

wagnerrp:

three times now they've called

[18:29:03]

wagnerrp:

i pick up the phone and theres a brief tone, several seconds of silence, brief tone, silence, ....

[18:29:11]

wagnerrp:

i assume that's some kind of modem identifier

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stuartm:

either that or a broken auto-dialer

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wagnerrp:

phone rings again, different number

[18:30:12]

wagnerrp:

this time its a human apologizing for calling the wrong number with a fax machine

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stuartm:

heh

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** wizbit checks to see if backend is clean **

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sickan:

back, done lots of channels and the only thing there is are static

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wizbit:

rule no.1 if you fiddle with your backend, make sure nothing is being recorded

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sickan:

devinheitmueller, did you see that?

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stuartm_:

dmfrey: what was that url again?

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stuartm:

nm, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14169722/mythtv-for- . . . 12-09-14.apk

[18:54:13]

dmfrey:

i just updated it on github

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dmfrey:

dated today

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dmfrey:

gonna post it to the mailing list

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stuartm:

hmm, any documentation/README explaining the required perms? I usually don't install anything asking for 'Phone calls' perms

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dmfrey:

it is for mythmote integration. It sends caller id to the frontend you are connected to if you get a call while using the app. Otherwise, it is not used.

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stuartm:

k

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dmfrey:

i will have tom add a writeup in the readme for it

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stuartm:

reminds me, tried out mythmote last night, need to file a bug

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dmfrey:

the original one?

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dmfrey:

i can pass it along to tom if you like, can you email it to me?

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stuartm:

sure, very simple really – the very bottom of the UI is off-screen on my phone, which is fine but it means I have to scroll down – that's where the problem lies, any touch triggers the button at that point so you can't scroll down without sending an action

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dmfrey:

ok, will let him know

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dmfrey:

which model, btw?

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stuartm:

I can re-phrase that in an email

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stuartm:

Motorola Defy Mini XT320

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dmfrey:

ok, i will pass it on to him

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dmfrey:

btw, what is the screen dimensions

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stuartm:

thanks

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stuartm:

http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consu . . . NI-XW-EN.alt

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stuartm:

480x320, 3.2"

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stuartm:

cheapo phone :)

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dmfrey:

:) sent it off to him

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sickan:

one thing that just hit me, isn't it different frequencies fi cable or through air? at least that's how the other card works on wifeys computer. (winblows tho)

[19:23:53]

sickan:

so how do i set if it's cable or thru air?

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dmfrey:

stuartm, regarding the android permissions, take a look at the updated readme: https://github.com/MythTV-Android/mythtv-for-android

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dmfrey:

it should be there on the main page

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stuartm:

dmfrey: thanks

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justinh:

hmm another app my phone is too cheap & crap for. heheh

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stuartm:

justinh: after years of resisting I dumped my £10 monochrome Nokia with a battery that would last a month for a £80 sim-free Android that's waterproof, relatively tough (important so that I wouldn't lose it the first time I took it on a hike in the rain) and yet cheap enough that if I really did break/lose it I wouldn't be too broken up about it

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stuartm:

being my first smartphone, I can't be disappointed with it – I've got nothing to compare it with :) So yes, on paper the specs are budget(ish) but I'm pretty pleased with it, has plenty of toys to keep me amused

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stuartm:

camera absolutely sucks but then I'd never dream of using a phone as my primary camera, it's good enough to take images of text etc that I want to remember and that's all I'd ever really want

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stuartm:

gps works well, seems very reliable and combined with the OSMAnd app which provides full free offline mapping (and navigation if required) it's already proved useful

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stuartm:

it will be better still when someone figures out how to root it and I can remove the pre-installed crap e.g. Twitter, Facebook and something called MediaServ which keeps going crazy and filling up the internal storage

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stuartm:

oh and anything Google

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wizbit:

stuartm: how long does the battery last? 3 hours?

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** wizbit keeps his monochrome nokia **

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stuartm:

wizbit: much longer than I thought it would, with my usage I get a couple of days and even then it's never gone completely flat, I usually charge it at the 10–20% mark

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wizbit:

my nokia 100 is one of the best phones ive ever bought

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wizbit:

£20

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wizbit:

battery lasts 5 days

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stuartm:

aye, I loved my Nokia, still have it as a backup

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wizbit:

excellent phone: http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/products/phone/100/

[22:14:39]

wizbit:

its not monochrome but its nice

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stuartm:

the battery in this new phone is higher capacity than average apparently, which was another factor that influenced my decision

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wizbit:

aye ok

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wizbit:

i will not buy a smartphone until the average battery lasts 1 week, G4 network and the monthly cost comes down

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wizbit:

stuartm: you will now be one of those people who stand around bus stops fiddling with phone

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stuartm:

still cannot possibly compare to the Nokia, but for what it offers ... I never really saw the appeal of a smartphone before I got one, after a phone only needs to be able to make calls, right? But I have found it useful to have some of the added functionality, even just as a pocket sized tablet alternative around the house – I can check something online or schedule a recording without needing to go upstairs to use the computer

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stuartm:

wizbit: hopefully not, I'm trying to resist it :)

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stuartm:

I have got the kindle app on there and a spanish vocab refresher, which I might find myself using while in the doctor's waiting room or similar – I don't like doing nothing but staring at four walls for long periods

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kormoc:

Sleep!

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stuartm:

heh

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stuartm:

reading or improving my language skills seems like a better use of the time, but I DO like to sleep ...

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stuartm:

speaking of which

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: the big question... can your phone play Black Mesa?

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stuartm:

I'm going to guess no, and a touch screen instead of a mouse/controller for a FPS would suck, but still I'm intrigued

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stuartm:

when Steam for Linux gets out of beta, I might finally be compelled to upgrade this machine

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sickan:

i

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sickan:

oops

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sickan:

I'm out, I think i have to look at something else cos this aint working :( but i'll popin again.. l8r dudes

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: i hope you don't own a smartphone..

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wagnerrp:

not currently, no

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wizbit:

good :)

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wizbit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-pMZd1fupw&feature=fvwrel

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