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| [06:04:22] | Sharky112065: | Anyone know how to tell what tuner a show recorded on? I have a tuner that is having issues that I need to troubleshoot and do not know which one to look at. |
| [06:04:45] | Sharky112065: | I looked at recording details with the menu option but it does not list the tuner |
| [06:04:59] | Sharky112065: | I'm on Fixes/0.25 |
| [06:05:12] | wagnerrp: | theres a script on the wiki to do just that |
| [06:05:23] | wagnerrp: | although it has to dig through the backend logs for that information |
| [06:05:28] | wagnerrp: | its not stored anywhere in the database |
| [06:05:36] | Sharky112065: | darn |
| [06:05:49] | Sharky112065: | Would be really helpful for diagnosing fulty tuners |
| [06:05:56] | Sharky112065: | faulty rather |
| [06:06:04] | wagnerrp: | depending on your log rotation, that information is rather short lived |
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| [06:06:43] | Sharky112065: | hmm.. ill look through the log file. been running over a month, so probably quite large |
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| [06:11:45] | Sharky112065: | Hmm.. cardid 1, and sourceid 1. Wonder which hdhomerun that is |
| [06:11:54] | Sharky112065: | probably the first one im guessing |
| [06:14:40] | Sharky112065: | ok, ill keep looking at the backend log for each glitchy recording and then replace that hdhomerun. I have had to replace one before. The tuners they use seem to have a short life span. Signal strength gets weeker and weeker over time on some units. |
| [06:15:09] | Sharky112065: | wagnerrp: thanks |
| [06:15:53] | Sharky112065: | wagnerrp: do you know what I should search for on the wiki to find that script? |
| [06:16:07] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts |
| [06:16:12] | Sharky112065: | ty |
| [06:16:22] | wagnerrp: | there are two versions |
| [06:16:28] | wagnerrp: | an older perl that works off the file logs |
| [06:16:36] | wagnerrp: | and a newer python that works off the in-database logs |
| [06:16:45] | wagnerrp: | database logs are culled after two weeks |
| [06:17:34] | Sharky112065: | ok thanks, both would probably work in this case since it was recorded today |
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| [13:45:57] | mal2: | hi, how can I shut the backend down from the command line? I've googled and tried every command I found |
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| [13:46:52] | wagnerrp: | killall mythbackend |
| [13:47:12] | mal2: | that's what I thought first |
| [13:47:24] | mal2: | but it says no process found |
| [13:47:25] | wagnerrp: | kill `ps ax | grep mythbackend | awk '{ print $1 }'` |
| [13:47:38] | wagnerrp: | if no process found, mythbackend is not running |
| [13:48:02] | mal2: | hmm, but I can't umount my extra drive cos it says it is busy |
| [13:48:04] | mal2: | hmmm |
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| [13:51:08] | mal2: | cheers |
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| [14:23:40] | lautriv: | ok, i changed storage-group from /srv/myth/recordings to /recordings , copy'd all content and made a link on the old location but if i try to show one of the recordings before that change, i get "could not be found" ? |
| [14:26:05] | wagnerrp: | two issues |
| [14:26:24] | wagnerrp: | if /recordings doesnt mount for whatever reason, mythtv is going to try to record to a folder on the root filesystem |
| [14:26:47] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason to link anything, just change or add the directory definition in mythtv-setup |
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| [14:29:03] | lautriv: | i know about the unmounted /recordings actually it's a dir directly on /. the link was done after the first failed atempt, i assumed a changed storage-group will automatically serch the file on the new location which was not the case. |
| [14:29:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, it will |
| [14:29:38] | wagnerrp: | the location is not stored, only the filename |
| [14:30:05] | wagnerrp: | it will search for the file among the given storage directories |
| [14:30:59] | lautriv: | fails anyway. also i had to change master and each backend because there is no change on slave after the master changed. |
| [14:32:22] | wagnerrp: | did you restart the slave backends to pick up the new storage definitions? |
| [14:32:36] | lautriv: | 2 times |
| [14:32:50] | lautriv: | however, the master itselv should know |
| [14:33:23] | lautriv: | have to work, will be back in a few. |
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| [16:12:34] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: what raid config is your new hard drive in? |
| [16:13:44] | wagnerrp: | none |
| [16:16:46] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: what happens if the drive goes down |
| [16:16:53] | wagnerrp: | i lose everything on it |
| [16:17:19] | wizbit: | :-S |
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| [16:47:12] | stuartm: | raid's not worth the cost, they are just recordings, if the worst happens you can wait for repeats, or rent/buy the DVD |
| [16:48:19] | stuartm: | I mean how many people have had modern HDDs fail completely with no warnings anyway? |
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| [16:51:01] | wagnerrp: | for television, sure |
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| [16:51:19] | wagnerrp: | but for purchased media, re-ripping off disc is a complete pain in the ass |
| [16:51:27] | wagnerrp: | especially when i used to transcode the stuff |
| [16:52:44] | ** neufeld has always been very paranoid about backups. For Myth, my recordings are on three 3-TB XFS drives, and I do incremental backups to a big ext3 logical device on another machine. If I lose any single drive, I can still get things back. Oh, and the DB backup is of a mysqldump, not the SQL cache files. ** | |
| [16:52:47] | wagnerrp: | i still have a stack of dead HDDVDs i need to convert to bluray |
| [16:56:09] | stuartm: | neufeld: personally I'd rather use that space for more recordings, ripped DVD/Bluray etc and yes, re-ripping would be a pain but like I said, the chances of a drive failing with no early warnings from smart or in the form of read/write errors are slim anyway |
| [16:56:50] | wagnerrp: | i had a 2TB Green go belly up, just hours after i transferred a bunch of HDDVD rips to it |
| [16:57:02] | wagnerrp: | which is when i found that about half my discs had rotted |
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| [16:58:34] | stuartm: | besides, I really don't have the space to waste on redundant drives, when I trade up to bigger disks they always replace an existing one – my NAS only holds two, my dev backend just 3 3.5" (and an SSD) |
| [16:58:57] | wagnerrp: | no basement? |
| [16:58:59] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: only ever bought one WD, and it was failing from day one |
| [16:59:12] | neufeld: | stuartm: That's fine, I just think hard drives are cheap and cost less than my time to recover lost files. My backend is already full of the largest drives I can get, and out of space in the case, so tossing a few big drives elsewhere and scheduling nightly backups doesn't cost me anything. |
| [16:59:21] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: no, rare in the UK |
| [16:59:22] | wagnerrp: | the other one, and that one's replacement, have been running fine now for... two years? |
| [16:59:35] | wagnerrp: | infant death |
| [16:59:41] | wagnerrp: | thing was only like two weeks old |
| [16:59:47] | wagnerrp: | not sure what caused it to fail |
| [16:59:54] | wagnerrp: | but i simply couldnt read anything off of it |
| [16:59:59] | stuartm: | neufeld: they were cheap 18 months ago, I've not bought any since prices doubled |
| [17:00:14] | wagnerrp: | prices are back down where they were maybe two years ago |
| [17:00:27] | wagnerrp: | i bought this one (2TB 7.2k seagate) for $100 |
| [17:00:41] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: haven't quite dropped that far yet in the UK, or hadn't when I was looking last month |
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| [17:01:27] | neufeld: | stuartm: a local computer store had a big sale the week after Christmas, I've got enough space to last until the prices are low again. I've used less than 30% of the backend capacity |
| [17:02:01] | stuartm: | lucky you :) |
| [17:03:03] | stuartm: | I'm constantly floating around the 93–95% mark atm, I need more space but for DVDs/Bluray more than recordings, I've got way too many recordings to watch as it is |
| [17:03:21] | wagnerrp: | ditto |
| [17:03:31] | wagnerrp: | which is why im cycling all the data around on my disks |
| [17:03:36] | wagnerrp: | they're terribly fragmented |
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| [17:05:29] | neufeld: | wagnerrp: XFS is wonderful for avoiding fragmentation. I set 8 allocation extents on each drive. When a recording starts, it reserves (if I remember correctly) 1GB of contiguous space, and on close(), trims and hands back what it didn't use. Repeat as necessary for recordings of various lengths. Even if I had all 4 encoders running flat out to a single drive, it wouldn't fragment. |
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| [17:06:02] | wagnerrp: | zfs is terrible for fragmentation if you dont leave it a lot of free space |
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| [17:40:16] | stuartm: | thanks for that, reminds me that I need to fix my xfs mount options after the reinstall I did at the weekend |
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| [18:14:14] | MMlosh: | Hi! I am removing one mythtv installation. There are some "for archival" recordings left. |
| [18:14:45] | MMlosh: | Is there an easy way of renaming all recording files to something sensible? |
| [18:15:03] | MMlosh: | Or listing filenames next to recording titles, that would be the best |
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| [18:15:49] | MMlosh: | (Don't worry, I'll plan to setup another one. On a different hardware) |
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| [18:43:20] | MMlosh: | Hmm... If there is no recommended way, I guess I'll parse mythweb's recordings page |
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| [18:51:37] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: is the unencrypted digital must-carry clause no longer in effect? |
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| [18:54:41] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: my backend is now clean |
| [18:54:56] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that means |
| [18:55:14] | wizbit: | there were lots of errors in my logs, now its clean |
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| [19:10:15] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: From what I understand, I believe Comcast had gotten a waiver in certain regions. |
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| [19:17:46] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: this is the lastest I've found on the topic: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-29/c . . . able-signals |
| [19:18:45] | wagnerrp: | that makes no sense |
| [19:18:54] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to even bother encrypting those? |
| [19:19:21] | devinheitmueller: | Because lots of people cannot receive OTA, and thus would otherwise need a cable subscription in order to have TV. |
| [19:20:02] | wagnerrp: | oh, and this allows them to enforce that without having to cut the wires running into their home |
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| [19:23:02] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: correct. |
| [19:23:31] | devinheitmueller: | It's very common for people to move into a new house/apartment, and hook up the TV to the jack. If they get a dozen channels, then they don't even bother calling the cable company for service. |
| [19:24:07] | wagnerrp: | because its hardly any different than plugging into an antenna |
| [19:24:20] | devinheitmueller: | That said though, I think this is really just about forcing people to have one set top box per television (at a monthly fee, of course). |
| [19:24:33] | wagnerrp: | and that they control |
| [19:24:50] | wagnerrp: | everything they do is about control and lock in |
| [19:25:14] | devinheitmueller: | In surburbia, it's common for people to have a TV in every bedroom (even guest bedrooms). I know lots of people with four or five tvs in their house, and they do that because there is no monthly incremental cost. |
| [19:25:48] | wagnerrp: | as well there shouldn't be |
| [19:26:12] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, but the cable company sees that as an opportunity to rent you five cable boxes. |
| [19:26:49] | devinheitmueller: | ... or force you to get rid of 2/5 of the TVs and rent one additional cable box (most cable customers have at least one box since it's often provided as part of the bundle) |
| [19:27:21] | devinheitmueller: | So from their perspective, it's a win/win. Get rid of cable thieves, jack up the bill on existing customers by $5–10. |
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| [19:35:28] | sid3windr: | heh, over here they just disconnect the coax going into the property |
| [19:35:42] | sid3windr: | not immediately, but when they are in the vicinity |
| [19:36:30] | raisputin: | Hello, I am hoping to get a quick question answered before I go buy some stuff to create my mythTV box. I am comfortable with Linux and Windows, so no os related technical/software info needed at this time. I have 3 boxes sitting here that I could use for a mythTV box P4 2.6GHz, P4 2.8GHz and a Intel Celeron(P) 340 2.93 GHz and was planning on purchasing a Hauppage WinTV-HVR-1600 which I see works with MythTV. I am |
| [19:36:30] | raisputin: | planning only on using it for Basic Cable from my cable co. (no set-top box required). I am hoping someone here can recommend which of the 3 boxes to use, and if this would be a valid config? Also, Could I use the MythTV frontend from another machine, say my Mac mini, or my jailbroken AppleTV instead of having a machine sitting in my living room (I am pretty sure this is a yes). I am asking this after reading as much as I |
| [19:36:30] | raisputin: | have time for between work stuff. Thanks in advance for any info :) |
| [19:38:47] | wagnerrp: | raisputin: scrap 'em all, buy something new |
| [19:39:16] | wagnerrp: | it wont take long to make up the purchase cost in reduced idle power consumption |
| [19:39:25] | raisputin: | I don't care about power consumption LOL |
| [19:39:37] | wagnerrp: | and the appletv is of no use, doesnt support the required formats |
| [19:39:47] | raisputin: | this is more proof of concept for the wife. once she likes it, then I can buy new stuff :) |
| [19:40:27] | raisputin: | I saw a mythTV front-end for AppleTV, that is why I thought I might be able to do something with it :) |
| [19:40:39] | wagnerrp: | new or old appletv? |
| [19:40:49] | raisputin: | ATV2 and ATV3 |
| [19:41:00] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [19:41:08] | wagnerrp: | what you saw was for the original ATV1 |
| [19:41:12] | raisputin: | awwwww :( |
| [19:41:26] | wagnerrp: | which was a 1GHz P3-derived chip, and nvidia 7300 graphics |
| [19:41:35] | raisputin: | i see... |
| [19:41:46] | wagnerrp: | running linux, you could use xvmc with that chip for partial offload of mpeg2, enough to make decoding work on that low end CPU |
| [19:42:04] | wagnerrp: | however xvmc has long since been abandoned by both hardware manufacturers and mythtv |
| [19:42:20] | wagnerrp: | and the ATV2 and ATV3 have no support at all for mpeg2 |
| [19:42:29] | raisputin: | so the decoding is where my problem will lie then? |
| [19:43:02] | raisputin: | since the card will obviously do the encoding |
| [19:43:02] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:43:05] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [19:43:15] | raisputin: | 0.o |
| [19:43:21] | raisputin: | I suck at hardware stuff LOL |
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| [19:44:01] | kormoc: | Digital tv is already encoded |
| [19:44:18] | wagnerrp: | actually... what country are you in? |
| [19:44:22] | raisputin: | us. |
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| [19:44:25] | raisputin: | wa state |
| [19:44:41] | wagnerrp: | everything broadcast in the US is digital |
| [19:44:47] | raisputin: | get basic cable (no box) from small local cable co, and some over the air stuff |
| [19:44:48] | wagnerrp: | and as mentioned, anything digital is already compressed |
| [19:44:57] | wagnerrp: | so you just copy the stream straight off the wire |
| [19:45:24] | raisputin: | i get it so then I could use a card without the hardware encoder, is that correct? |
| [19:46:01] | wagnerrp: | for analog cable, you want a tuner card with an encoder chip |
| [19:46:18] | wagnerrp: | do any of those systems do pci-express? |
| [19:46:22] | devinheitmueller: | raisputin: be careful and don't get "encoder" and "decoder" confused. A hardware *encoder* is typically used to take an analog cable signal and compress it to MPEG2. A hardware *decoder* is used to decompress the MPEG2 to show it on the screen. |
| [19:46:52] | raisputin: | gotcha |
| [19:48:01] | raisputin: | so to do this cheap I guess, since that old hardware is basically shit....someone want to give me a recommendation? Maybe I should jsut buy something that hauppage or someone else already made? and I will brb wife calling |
| [19:48:26] | wagnerrp: | PVR-150 |
| [19:48:37] | wagnerrp: | or HVR-1600 |
| [19:48:49] | wagnerrp: | since chances are you cant do PCIe for a HVR-1800 or -2250 |
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| [20:02:09] | raisputin: | thanks guys :) I will go look into those :) |
| [20:02:13] | raisputin: | appreciate the help |
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| [20:38:55] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, still around ? |
| [20:39:11] | wagnerrp: | aye |
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| [20:40:57] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, seems the change is now stable ( still need to test what happens if i record from slave) myth was right by not finding some files/showings because they where not present but it even knew their size wgich is somewhat obscure. |
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| [21:02:36] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, ok, works like expected ;) still curious about the lost files and why myth tells me sometimes "still recording" while the show finished hours earlier o.O |
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| [21:09:52] | wizbit: | what are slave backends used for? do i need one? |
| [21:10:23] | wagnerrp: | do you have additional tuners that dont fit in your master backend? |
| [21:10:31] | wizbit: | nope |
| [21:10:40] | wagnerrp: | then you dont need one |
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| [21:10:52] | wizbit: | aye ok, its for extra tuners |
| [21:11:18] | wizbit: | thats a waste of electric, you are better off buying a bigger box |
| [21:11:56] | wagnerrp: | they can also be used to allow for more advantageous placement of tuners |
| [21:12:22] | wagnerrp: | such as a slave backend directly at an antenna or LNB drop |
| [21:12:29] | wizbit: | i see |
| [21:12:45] | wagnerrp: | similar to the purpose of the HDHomeRun |
| [21:12:59] | wizbit: | yep was thinking about that, so a HDHomeRun is a bit like a slave |
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| [21:32:19] | n1md4: | Hello. Having a bit of trouble with disappearing video capture sources. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 and mythtv-desktop. It's been running perfectly for a while now, but after an upgrade today it's stopped working. I know that's a little thin on details, but I'm not really sure where to start. |
| [21:32:27] | n1md4: | Any assistance? |
| [21:33:15] | wagnerrp: | as in the device nodes no longer exist? |
| [21:34:03] | n1md4: | they exist under /dev/dvb/adapterX/frontendY |
| [21:34:55] | n1md4: | but not when I launch frontend. I tride removing, and readding with mythtv-setup, it said something like lost connect (I could find out exactly what it said.) |
| [21:35:34] | n1md4: | I have grepped capture from logs and found http://pastie.org/4716297 and that's about as far as I've got. |
| [21:36:49] | wagnerrp: | could i see the _whole_ backend log? |
| [21:39:06] | n1md4: | wagnerrp: I've just noticed the date on that log is 18th Aug ... the time on my computer is correct. |
| [21:39:11] | n1md4: | 1 moment ... |
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| [21:45:39] | n1md4: | wagnerrp: the system actually hangs with http://pastie.org/4716352 |
| [21:46:01] | n1md4: | and none of the logs seem up to date (how might i check how it's logging?) |
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| [21:56:40] | n1md4: | wagnerrp: ? Could you help with the logging issue, I will then be more than happy to provide a full log. |
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| [22:00:52] | wagnerrp: | its logging according to whatever options you gave it on the command line |
| [22:01:01] | wagnerrp: | logging options are not stored anywhere |
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| [22:04:54] | n1md4: | okay. it's started with init scripts |
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| [22:06:16] | n1md4: | wagnerrp: Every time I try to start mythbackend it locks the system. |
| [22:07:43] | n1md4: | wagnerrp: This is the closest I can get to a log http://pastie.org/4716456 |
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| [22:08:43] | wagnerrp: | looks like you already have some other application open and accessing the tuner |
| [22:12:33] | n1md4: | but I don't think there is. |
| [22:13:02] | wagnerrp: | is it possible mythbackend is already open, and accessing those tuners? |
| [22:13:41] | n1md4: | not according to ps |
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| [22:23:54] | n1md4: | Yeah, so, on boot mythtv has suddenly failed to start after a recent ubuntu upgrade. |
| [22:29:04] | justinh: | heh. it's always 'suddenly' after an upgrade |
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| [22:29:36] | justinh: | is this an upgrade as in ordinary ubuntu told you some stuff needed updating, or a 'hey, a new version of ubuntu is available now' upgrade? |
| [22:30:36] | justinh: | I suspect the latter – there's not generally much that can screw with a working mythtv system in ordinary updates |
| [22:31:10] | justinh: | I'd usually come in here with a 'why did you upgrade in the first place?' question but it's always too late for that |
| [22:32:26] | justinh: | so if it's definitely not running, try starting it yourself, as a user with the same privileges it'd normally run as – or better yet, become the 'mythtv' user & try starting mythbackend manually in a terminal with the command 'mythbackend' |
| [22:33:23] | justinh: | if mythbackend is *really* making the whole system hang.. er.. you have problems bigger than mythtv, I suspect |
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| [22:55:21] | n1md4: | justinh: thanks, it was just a regular package(s) update. |
| [22:55:43] | n1md4: | justinh: I did run mythbackend from the command line, and got this http://pastie.org/4716456 |
| [22:57:07] | n1md4: | justinh: and these were the list of packages to update http://pastie.org/4716687 |
| [23:04:08] | n1md4: | justinh: If this were your system, how would you look in to sorting it? |
| [23:05:02] | n1md4: | justinh: I get strange network hangs too, every now and again the shell will lock up. |
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| [23:08:05] | n1md4: | justinh: did just notice " This installation of MySQL is already upgraded to 5.5.24, use --force if you still need to run mysql_upgrade" in the logs ... I wonder. |
| [23:09:30] | n1md4: | What user does mythtv user to access mysql? |
| [23:09:49] | wagnerrp: | whatever one you stored in your config.xml |
| [23:10:44] | n1md4: | Yeap, seen that, thanks. |
| [23:12:53] | n1md4: | I'd still like to know how to set mythbackend to use /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log too. |
| [23:16:36] | wagnerrp: | 'mythbackend --help' |
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| [23:41:36] | n1md4: | most bizzare! |
| [23:42:18] | n1md4: | ran setup again, the error message that was there before is no longer, and I noticed the sources were not set, did that and it's all working now :/ |
| [23:42:40] | n1md4: | Damn you intermittent problem! |
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