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[00:54:50] tgm4883: Where does the theme downloader get it's updates from again?
[00:55:09] tgm4883: or rather, where do I check if my latest theme updates have hit the downloader yet?
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[01:17:01] tgm4883: found it ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/themes/
[01:17:18] tgm4883: although it doesn't explain why my frontend isn't seeing the updates :/
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[01:21:18] tgm4883: ah, my frontend is downloading "trunk" updates, not 0.26 updates
[01:21:21] tgm4883: which makes sensze
[01:21:50] tgm4883: Is that a setting that can be changed somewhere so the theme downloader looks for 0.26 themes?
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[01:49:51] monkeypet69: where are the channel icons stored?
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[01:55:38] [R]: ~/.mythtv/channels
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[02:02:09] SparksIT: have a question, ubuntu or fedora for myth, or does it not really matter?
[02:02:27] [R]: doesnt make any differnece
[02:02:29] [R]: use whatever you like
[02:03:03] monkeypet69: the channels aren't stored in the backend? I see the icons and my .mythtv/channels is empty.
[02:04:08] [R]: then you're looking in the wrong location
[02:04:17] [R]: "stored in the backend" makes no sense
[02:04:39] monkeypet69: SparksIT: doesn't matter for distro. Whatever you feel more comfortable with. I have fedora 17 for my backend and ubuntu for my frontend. However, I would lean towards ubuntu because of the mythbuntu team.
[02:05:40] monkeypet69: [R]: I am sure I am looking in ~/.mythtv, nothing there, I still see the icons.
[02:06:09] monkeypet69: ~/.mythtv/channels/*
[02:06:21] [R]: where are you looking in ~/.mythtv
[02:06:41] SparksIT: which is easier for a new user? last time I used linux was several years ago, and even then it was just a live CD
[02:07:06] monkeypet69: SparksIT: Use ubuntu.
[02:07:42] SparksIT: Thanks
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[02:39:08] jm|laptop: hello :)
[02:43:50] darkstarbyte: What is the default key to mark a cut?
[02:44:55] wagnerrp: "select", usually "enter"
[02:45:21] darkstarbyte: A lot of times it is off.
[02:45:26] darkstarbyte: thanks
[02:45:33] darkstarbyte: I am going to get back to it.
[02:45:42] wagnerrp: well you have to be in edit mode for it to work
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[02:48:05] darkstarbyte: oh, how do I get into that?
[02:48:21] wagnerrp: 'e'
[02:48:30] darkstarbyte: thanks
[02:48:35] darkstarbyte: trying it now.
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[03:44:13] darkstarbyte: That took a while
[03:45:19] darkstarbyte: There is one recording that did not quite record right, and I should have hit rerecord.
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[04:03:42] ptarcher: Hi all, i am trying to test MythTV services on ubuntu and I am getting 'Permission denied'
[04:04:04] ptarcher: $ wget http://127.0.0.1:6544/Myth/SendMessage?Message=Hello--2012-09-12 11:54:53-- http://127.0.0.1:6544/Myth/SendMessage?Message=Hello
[04:04:05] ptarcher: Connecting to 127.0.0.1:6544... connected.
[04:04:05] ptarcher: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[04:04:05] ptarcher: Length: 56 [text/xml]
[04:04:05] ptarcher: SendMessage?Message=Hello: Permission denied
[04:04:06] ptarcher: Cannot write to 'SendMessage?Message=Hello' (Permission denied).
[04:04:20] ptarcher: anyone know what could be up? I have googled and haven't had much success
[04:06:21] lucas^: enclose that in quotes
[04:06:30] lucas^: wget "http://127.0.0.1/Myth/..."
[04:10:41] kormoc: ptarcher, as lucas^ said, use quotes around any url that includes a &. Bash uses it as a command separator (to run commands in the background), so your request is invalid
[04:10:53] ptarcher: well that wsa easy
[04:12:06] ptarcher: thanks guys, much appreciated, and still glad I asked the question as I was out of answers
[04:12:37] ptarcher: cyas
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[04:26:13] wildpig953: Hi guys im a long time WinMCE user but a noob to Mythtv, currently building my first Mythbuntu setup
[04:28:04] wildpig953: I do have a question about livetv in guide, ist it normal for the audio and video in the sub window to cutout and flicker when navigating the guide?
[04:29:28] [R]: hows your cpu ussage
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[04:31:24] wildpig953: it is about 20 to 30%
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[04:32:45] [R]: no sane person uses myth
[04:32:48] [R]: uses livetv*
[04:32:50] [R]: so who knows
[04:32:53] wildpig953: System is dual core AMD 3.2GB athlon
[04:33:07] lucas^: use OpenGL rendering instead of Qt's painter
[04:33:13] [R]: its a DVR not a DVP
[04:33:41] lucas^: oh, you mean, the TV window? yeah that happens on my system as well
[04:33:43] wildpig953: for the WAF, the livetv needs to be an option
[04:33:54] lucas^: after a while of using MythTV you get kind-of used to its crap factor
[04:34:04] wildpig953: Wife Aproval Factor
[04:34:13] wildpig953: lol
[04:34:23] [R]: you njeed to teadch your wife the difference betweeen a DVR and a DVP
[04:35:27] wildpig953: sometimes there are show that are too crap to record but she is happy to look at when showing
[04:36:17] wildpig953: thanks for the feedback though [R]
[04:36:55] wildpig953: BRB
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[04:53:39] jm|laptop: CrystalHD: BCM70012 device is currently unsupported
[04:53:47] jm|laptop: is this still the case?
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[04:58:05] TwiztedZero: WAF , wife approval ; WT, wife tested :p
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[05:02:08] FLeiXiuS``: My give <3 myth
[05:02:20] FLeiXiuS``: Although now my hdhr is nothing but housewives :-(
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[05:07:39] ** TwiztedZero doesn't require a womans permision to do anything. **
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[05:21:13] FLeiXiuS``: TwiztedZero: Perhaps its a man approval ;)
[05:26:06] TwiztedZero: hah, nice try but also no.
[05:33:07] FLeiXiuS``: :-P
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[05:41:12] TwiztedZero: Technologically savvy hermits win!
[05:42:30] TwiztedZero: too bad I can't get a MythTV-Windows build to work....here.
[05:42:44] TwiztedZero: I did manage to get OTA working on MediaPortal though.
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[05:46:19] blscearce: My "Time To Retain Deleted Programs" was set to 0 (delete immediately). I tried to clear off some space from my box before going on vacation by putting whole lists of shows into a playgroup, then deleting the playgroup. Those shows have ended up in the "Deleted" recording group, but are still occupying space. Programs I delete one at a time vanish immediately, as they should.
[05:47:01] blscearce: Is there some other setting that makes deleted playgroups stick around even when "time to retain" is set to 0?
[05:49:07] ** monkeypet69 getting ready to bootup a rasberry pi for the first time. **
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[05:50:21] monkeypet69: wildpig953: yes, I see the LiveTV flickering and stuttering during the program guide. This started with 0.25 and continued to 0.26.
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[06:27:52] TwiztedZero: congrats on your Pi build
[06:42:28] FLeiXiuS``: Is it a pi myth build?
[06:43:28] wagnerrp: not likely
[06:43:34] monkeypet69: FLeiXiuS``: Nah, it is just booting linux xbian into XBMC.
[06:44:03] monkeypet69: XBMC can barely do 1080p on it.
[06:44:16] wagnerrp: how much memory is left after the GPU has had its share?
[06:44:18] TwiztedZero: 720p I think it was
[06:44:23] TwiztedZero: if that
[06:47:28] [R]: wagnerrp: 2mb
[06:47:29] [R]: lol
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[06:49:30] wildpig953: Thanks Monkeypet69
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[07:36:58] dekarl: monkeypet69: you might try ~mythtv/.mythtv/channels/ or ~<the frontendusername>/.mythtv/channels/ and run the command on the system where you ran setup (likely the backend). if you are using remote frontends you might hit http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10659
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[08:14:29] lautriv: hello, assumed i create 2 input groups one for live-tv and one for recorded showings, does the initial stream save on live-tv before transcoding and save the result afterwards ?
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[09:12:59] lautriv: hmm, nobody a light idea ?
[09:14:19] TwiztedZero: try again in the daytime its like 5:15am Toronto time... presently.
[09:14:26] lautriv: wagnerrp, what about you ?
[09:15:18] lautriv: TwiztedZero, 11:15 AM here ;)
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[12:25:39] sheppard: probably a stupid question, but does mythtv support the recordonce flag?
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[12:37:22] TwiztedZero: recordance flag... by that do you mean the "flag" embeded in OTA broadcasts by the tv network to prevent recording of certain broadcasts?
[12:37:38] TwiztedZero: (which I do know they sometime do)
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[12:45:01] sheppard: TwiztedZero: yeah, thinking about capping and recording my own stuff
[12:45:23] sheppard: or rather, capping and transcoding
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[13:09:19] malelan: is there a way to launch a video via internal player directly from menu.xml? i know i can exec an external player like exec mplayer %args but is it possible to do this with internal player?
[13:16:14] stuartm: malelan: media Internal path/to/file
[13:17:24] stuartm: err, MEDIA Internal /path/to/file
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[13:24:20] rigo: hi. hi TwiztedZero
[13:25:08] rigo: i read/searched after. i found apt-get install mythtv what comes with a LONG list of installable packages. about 350Mb.
[13:25:22] rigo: it's probabley enough right? http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
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[13:52:05] jm|laptop: hello :)
[13:52:33] jm|laptop: I read that the CrystalHD BCM70012 card is not supported in MythTV (yet)
[13:52:48] jm|laptop: is it feasible to build MythTV against external ffmpeg that does support it?
[13:53:09] wagnerrp: that card is supported, yes
[13:53:14] jm|laptop: it is?
[13:53:38] wagnerrp: the 12 and 15, i believe so
[13:54:10] wagnerrp: you may have to build mythtv yourself
[13:54:18] wagnerrp: im not sure if standard distros enable it
[13:55:36] jm|laptop: "CrystalHD: BCM70012 device is currently unsupported."
[13:55:40] jm|laptop: I did build it myself
[13:55:55] jm|laptop: ./configure --enable-crystalhd --disable-audio-oss --prefix=/opt/mythtv-0.26/
[13:55:58] wagnerrp: where do you see that? can i have some context?
[13:56:30] jm|laptop: that's in mythconverg.logging when I tried to playback a programme using a Playback option of crystalhd / xv-blit / softrender
[13:56:41] jm|laptop: (and sorry)
[13:57:57] ** jm|laptop prepares a pastebin **
[13:58:18] wagnerrp: pretty sparse, but no indication it doesnt work... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Broadcom_Crystal_HD#Hardware
[13:58:45] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/z8Ks67nZ
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[14:03:03] wagnerrp: seems it got disabled here and forgotten... http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/commit/mythtv?id=6931d46c
[14:03:29] jm|laptop: oh. I see.
[14:03:44] TwiztedZero: rigo, peeps here should be able to help you with MythTV install on your linux...
[14:04:37] TwiztedZero: after thats done, then you'll have to come back to #xmbc for the #MythBox aspect since they don't deal with that directly here.
[14:05:12] TwiztedZero: but I'm sure between here and there you'll find someone who's done both :p
[14:05:33] wagnerrp: well surely anyone using mythbox has done both
[14:06:19] TwiztedZero: just a matter of having someone avail then I mean theres 170 individuals here... obviously not all active.
[14:07:35] jm|laptop: :(
[14:08:34] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: so what is the likelihood of using external FFmpeg with /does/ support my CrystalHD?
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[14:15:36] wagnerrp: zero, we dont do external ffmpeg
[14:15:40] wagnerrp: !seen j-rod
[14:15:40] MythLogBot: j-rod was last seen 326 days 21 hours 30 minutes 32 seconds ago
[14:15:44] wagnerrp: !seen jrod
[14:15:44] MythLogBot: jrod was last seen 2695 days 18 hours 23 minutes 44 seconds ago
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[14:17:22] wagnerrp: jm|laptop: we've resynced multiple times since that commit
[14:17:33] lautriv: haha, seems some people are awake now ;-) time to repeat my Q...
[14:17:35] wagnerrp: its entirely possible no one is around to know why it was disabled in the first place
[14:17:40] lautriv: assumed i create 2 input groups one for live-tv and one for recorded showings, does the initial stream save on live-tv before transcoding and save the result afterwards ?
[14:18:03] jm|laptop: would that I had coding-fu
[14:18:27] wagnerrp: you're already compiling from source
[14:18:36] wagnerrp: you could comment out that block and see what happens
[14:18:46] jm|laptop: I did
[14:19:43] jm|laptop: http://pastebin.com/NrjrmmsY
[14:20:40] jm|laptop: hmm
[14:20:43] jm|laptop: that's interesting
[14:20:50] ** jm|laptop goes to see what the TV is doing, downstairs **
[14:21:32] wagnerrp: 945GM... this is a non-ION Atom?
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[14:23:30] wizbit: DVBSH(/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0): Device EOF detected
[14:23:42] ** wizbit rubs head **
[14:24:07] rigo: so it seems to me its enough to apt-get install mythtv to get the backend with all the needed packages
[14:24:36] wagnerrp: to get mythtv with all the needed packages, yes
[14:25:01] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: me? It's an Intel Mac Mini ~2006
[14:25:22] wagnerrp: Core Solo?
[14:25:36] jm|laptop: Dual Core
[14:25:47] wagnerrp: but Core, rather than Core 2?
[14:26:19] jm|laptop: not sure. Probably
[14:26:22] jm|laptop: how could I tell?
[14:26:32] jm|laptop: model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU 1300 @ 1.66GHz
[14:26:44] wagnerrp: yeah, too weak to not need a decoder
[14:27:03] jm|laptop: oh for sure. I can just about get 720 out of it, but HD is right out
[14:27:11] wagnerrp: better than any atom on the market, but still no great shakes
[14:27:11] lautriv: rigo, if you won't have the frontend ( e.g. headless backend ) apt-get mythtv-backend istead. ( pulls common , database and some scrips too ).
[14:27:30] wagnerrp: lautriv: thats pointless
[14:27:36] wagnerrp: at best, you save some dependencies
[14:27:48] wagnerrp: you save all of ~3MB by not installing the frontend
[14:27:48] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: having commented those lines out I get *something*
[14:28:07] jm|laptop: it's largely grey, with picture shadowing and a bit green belt across the top of the screen
[14:28:16] jm|laptop: and very many of these in syslog: Sep 12 15:27:33 macmini kernel: [44780.875315] crystalhd 0000:02:00.0: MISSING 1073741824 PICTURES
[14:28:31] lautriv: wagnerrp, maybe. i'm a purist ;)
[14:29:12] wagnerrp: lautriv: note, mythtv's own installer has no support for only installing certain binaries
[14:29:30] wagnerrp: that split is an artificial one provided by the packages
[14:30:06] lautriv: wagnerrp, that is new to me but debian is used to pull more than neccessary so i have always an eye for it.
[14:31:10] lautriv: wagnerrp, can you shed some light in my question about the recording groups ?
[14:31:31] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: http://i.imgur.com/caMlI.jpg Does this effect look familiar?
[14:31:37] wagnerrp: nope, ive only ever used the one recording group
[14:32:31] lautriv: wagnerrp, so do i but i have to solve a possible bottleneck.
[14:32:42] jm|laptop: the 'good' news is that it seems to running pretty smoothly, despite the colour problems
[14:33:59] lautriv: jm|laptop, urgh, what a gay backgroud-color ;)
[14:34:29] jm|laptop: baby pink ftw
[14:34:45] jm|laptop: ugh; other programmes are much worse
[14:35:33] wagnerrp: jm|laptop: #9971 seems related
[14:35:33] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9971 **
[14:36:24] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: thanks for navigating around the trac :)
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[14:38:24] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: those changes are already in -rc2, it seems
[14:38:38] jm|laptop: 3342 if (private_dec)
[14:38:38] jm|laptop: 3343 context->release_buffer(context, mpa_pic);
[14:39:00] jm|laptop: oh; there are two patches
[14:39:13] lautriv: anyone around who could tell me details on recording-behaviour of myth ?
[14:39:51] wagnerrp: oh, input groups, no no no...
[14:40:04] wagnerrp: input groups are designed for when you have mutually exclusive hardware
[14:40:18] wagnerrp: such as a hybrid tuner with exclusive analog and digital tuners
[14:40:30] wagnerrp: or firewire and HDPVR capture off a single cable box
[14:40:46] wagnerrp: input groups are to tell mythtv you cannot use both inputs simultaneously
[14:40:51] lautriv: wagnerrp, do you mean me ?
[14:40:59] wagnerrp: yes
[14:41:25] wagnerrp: input groups being the things you define for tuners in mythtv-setup
[14:43:49] lautriv: wagnerrp, it'S not about input-groups ( i know somewhat how they work ) but directories. actually my recordings and live-tv going to the same place which is on NFS via a separate network. i like to separate recordings from live-tv to remove a possible bottleneck for the case of many simultaneous recordings/showings.
[14:44:16] wagnerrp: so storage groups
[14:44:42] wagnerrp: livetv will go to the LiveTV storage group if defined, otherwise using the Default group
[14:44:56] ** jm|laptop recompiles **
[14:44:58] wagnerrp: recordings will go to the Default group, unless you've specified some other group in the recording rule
[14:45:25] lautriv: that is, what i mean........ if i make 2 groups, one for live and one for record ........... does the record transfer immediately or after transcoding in this group ?
[14:45:37] wagnerrp: transfer?
[14:46:19] wagnerrp: what transfer?
[14:47:30] lautriv: the decoded stream, myth does continuously write/flush selected channels, if i record something, does it write to live and move to record later or will it directly write on record -group ?
[14:47:56] wagnerrp: if you record something, it records to the group you told it to record to
[14:48:00] wagnerrp: there is no transfer
[14:48:24] lautriv: what if i have a live-show and press r ?
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[14:48:41] wagnerrp: it stays in the livetv storage group
[14:48:53] wagnerrp: storage group is defined at the start of recording, and not changed afterwards
[14:49:04] wagnerrp: mythtv has no internal ability to shuffle recordings around
[14:50:52] lautriv: see, that is what i needed. because i plan to move the live showings be stored local to the (3) backends, decreasing the NFS traffic.
[14:51:23] wagnerrp: recording traffic should be minimal compared to a decent gigabit network
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[14:51:51] lautriv: but then, when i select show from livetv-group in frontend.....can the master handle different locations ?
[14:51:59] wagnerrp: why do you have three backends?
[14:52:58] lautriv: because of bandwith, DVB-S2 on 8 simultaneous transponders.
[14:53:22] wagnerrp: thats maybe 300–400Mbps maximum
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[14:54:09] wagnerrp: nothing for PCIe, but it might give PCI a run for its money
[14:54:34] wagnerrp: especially considering the data might be going back out the PCI bus to the disk controller, and then back in when being read
[14:54:59] lautriv: should be more, even with decent compression and transcoding/ad-marking needs also some CPU.
[14:55:24] wagnerrp: the video is already compressed
[14:55:37] wagnerrp: and commercial detection does not have to happen live, or on a backend
[14:56:26] lautriv: right, took that in consideration but 1920*1080*60Hz*Truecolor*8 channels is above 400Mb/S
[14:56:40] wagnerrp: so?
[14:57:06] wagnerrp: you're not actually dealing with that
[14:57:33] rigo: i dont have the frontend right now. but i wolud like to have it.
[14:57:51] rigo: i dont have nothing right now. only a clean fresh installed ubuntu (netinst) + xbmc eden.
[14:58:14] wagnerrp: 3Gbps SDI is actually sized specifically for that content, so quite a bit bigger than 400Mbps
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[14:58:26] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: thanks, that bit of patching has got me to a stage where I have clear picture
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[14:58:40] wagnerrp: however were not dealing with 24-bit data, we're dealing with 12-bit data
[14:58:49] wagnerrp: its still three color channels, 8-bits per pixel
[14:58:58] wagnerrp: but its YUV420
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[14:59:22] wagnerrp: meaning instead of red, green, and blue, we've got intensity, and two color channels
[14:59:27] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: the Playback Data showed that it is using crytsalhd – regretfully, it's still not fast enough to decode 1080 BBC HD and similar. Either in mythtv or served as mpg to xbmc
[14:59:28] wagnerrp: and the color channels are quartered in resolution
[14:59:46] lautriv: wagnerrp, i know MPEG gandles not whole pictures but changes to the last one but worst case i get approx 355 MB/S per chan, don't i ?
[15:00:13] lautriv: *handles
[15:00:41] wagnerrp: no, worst case, you've got maybe 5–6MB/s per transponder to worry about
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[15:02:47] jm|laptop: is a BCM70015 going to perform better?
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[15:04:18] wagnerrp: dont know
[15:04:28] jm|laptop:
[15:05:34] lautriv: wagnerrp, ok, then i haven't to deal with it because the NFS is good for 120MB/s ;)
[15:06:31] wagnerrp: note that if you are recording a ton of shows simultaneously, the disk seek hit is really going to hurt your performance
[15:07:58] wagnerrp: are these independent drives on your NFS store? or a big array?
[15:08:16] lautriv: wagnerrp, that is indeed another thing .......... so splitting live/record would be worth anyway.
[15:08:38] wagnerrp: im not actually sure what the behavior over NFS is though
[15:08:51] wagnerrp: NFS may end up shielding you somewhat from the disk syncs
[15:09:12] lautriv: wagnerrp, but if the traffic is so small, why may vertain frontends stutter on HDTV ?
[15:09:15] wagnerrp: could you give some details on your NFS store?
[15:10:14] lautriv: NFS is a raid-0 connected via myricom shortwave fiber to a quad opteron.
[15:10:28] wagnerrp: yuck...
[15:10:34] wagnerrp: raid0 bad
[15:11:06] lautriv: raid 0 == fast and i don't really care if i loose a record there ;)
[15:11:18] wagnerrp: all the seeking issues of striping, and no redundancy benefit
[15:11:29] wagnerrp: raid0 is only fast for sequential throughput
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[15:11:51] lautriv: recordings are seq.
[15:11:55] wagnerrp: and unless thats on a hardware controller with some non-volatile storage, mythtv recordings are not sequential
[15:12:02] wagnerrp: especially when you have several of them going
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[15:13:21] lautriv: would you suggest to handle recordings on each backend ?
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[15:15:01] wagnerrp: actually, i would suggest un-raiding those disks, giving them to mythtv to handle individually, and stuffing all your tuner cards in that opteron
[15:15:09] wagnerrp: make it the single backend
[15:15:42] wagnerrp: if you want more processing power for other uses, set the other machines up as spare jobqueues (run `mythjobqueue`)
[15:16:49] lautriv:
[15:17:21] wagnerrp: basically, each time you write, you need to write your chunk of data, and you need to write assorted filesystem metadata
[15:17:26] wagnerrp: you have to seek to each write
[15:17:36] wagnerrp: mythtv has a sync loop at once second, for each recording
[15:17:51] wagnerrp: so each simultaneous recording is going to cause several seeks per second
[15:18:11] wagnerrp: and unless youve got some NV write cache on your RAID array
[15:18:21] wagnerrp: those are all going to stack up to a significant amount of time per second
[15:18:28] wagnerrp: regardless of the linear throughput of the array
[15:18:54] wagnerrp: if you are having throughput problems, you will see the backend complaining about "write took X seconds" or some such
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[15:21:39] lautriv: so far, never seen that message but you remind me of a similar one, i see a bunch of "Ringbuf waited 0.2 seconds for data"
[15:21:50] wagnerrp: thats something different
[15:22:11] lautriv: sure , just hook up my brain ;)
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[15:22:49] wagnerrp: thats reading back out for some later use... dont know what specifically causes those issues
[15:23:28] lautriv: so i guess decentralizing live/record will be my best option.
[15:23:47] wagnerrp: well you're still running over your network
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[15:23:57] wagnerrp: since there is no such thing as a "local tuner"
[15:24:05] wagnerrp: tuners all go into a big list, and you just use the first one available
[15:24:12] wagnerrp: regardless of what host you and it are on
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[15:26:35] lautriv: got that, still not clear about how myth will handle it, there is some balancing option and myth-status can tell me different drives but what happens if each backend records to it's local dir and it's not network-mounted ?
[15:27:17] wagnerrp: it just records to the local drive. whats the question?
[15:29:32] lautriv: the question is may myth be confused if i setup this way. e.g. i record something with tuner "any possible", backend selects tuner one which is local on the master ........ won't it try to save to dir2 by mistake ?
[15:33:42] wagnerrp: it will only record to directories that exist
[15:33:51] wagnerrp: and will load balance between them
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[15:35:01] lautriv: sure, they will exist all in the setup but only one local to each backend and presumeable on the same location. how will it load-balance without NFS or similar? does myth cross-stream between backends ?
[15:41:47] tgm4883: lautriv, my understanding is if dir1 and dir2 both exist on host1, then it will load balance between them. If they don't both exist then it will just record to the one that is there
[15:42:18] tgm4883: host1 isn't going to record to a directory on host2
[15:44:48] lautriv: tgm4883, i got that part, also if i have 2 dirs which are pointing to the same destination, myth is bright enought to see "that's the same". but i'm about the opposite having several local /something/recordings to optimize multiple recordings/backends.
[15:46:23] tgm4883: lautriv, so on host1, you have something like /drive1/recordings and /drive2/recordings ?
[15:46:34] tgm4883: and something similar on host2?
[15:47:39] lautriv: tgm4883, right now i have one common NFS and plan to have "host1 /recordings", "host2 /recordings" and "host3 /recordings"
[15:47:54] tgm4883: ok
[15:48:38] lautriv: tgm4883, point is, how would myth balance if they are local to each backend or may it be better to NFS mount them on eatch other backend ( which is a bit uncomfortable on NFS4 with avoiding double-meanings )
[15:49:48] tgm4883: I don't think mythtv takes into account if they are NFS mounts or not
[15:50:09] tgm4883: wagnerrp, could correct me on that, but I believe MythTV just seems them as local
[15:50:59] wagnerrp: each backend balances recordings independently
[15:51:18] wagnerrp: it wont know if some other backend is simultaneously recording to the same NFS share
[15:51:26] wagnerrp: however it does always prefer local storage over remote
[15:51:39] wagnerrp: it recognizes "NFS" as something that is not local
[15:51:46] tgm4883: wagnerrp, ah, good to know
[15:52:26] wagnerrp: lautriv: one thing to note, you should not be recording to the root of any partition or share
[15:52:54] wagnerrp: if you record to the root, and the partition is not mounted, the directory will still exist and mythtv will still attempt to record to it
[15:53:23] wagnerrp: if you record to something beneath the root, and it is not mounted, that directory will not exist, and mythtv will simply ignore it and go elsewhere
[15:53:47] lautriv: tgm4883, actually it does. on an earlier setup i had one master and a slave nfs-mounted to the master, status told me " that's the very same drive" which is ok. i try to plan a proper setup without confusing myth and fear if all backends have the same storage-name ( which will be noted in mythconverg ) it may confuse something.
[15:53:54] wagnerrp: also note, only your backends need NFS storage mounted, and only to actually write the recordings
[15:54:04] wagnerrp: any frontends can stream content from the backends internally
[15:55:39] lautriv: wagnerrp, does the internal stream also count for the video and audio section ?
[15:55:41] tgm4883: lautriv, not sure what would be confused. as wagnerrp stated, the backends load balance separately
[15:55:56] wagnerrp: lautriv: eh?
[15:55:57] tgm4883: further, I think it's prefered to have them mounted at the same location
[15:56:09] wagnerrp: oh, the Video Library, yes
[15:56:14] wagnerrp: MythMusic... not yet
[15:56:50] wagnerrp: unless you have good reason otherwise, all recording storage should be defined on the master backend
[15:57:01] wagnerrp: the slave backends will simply use the directories defined for the master
[15:57:01] lautriv: haha, i will just test it and you know it went wrong if the postman hands you a bomb ;)
[15:57:05] tgm4883: lautriv, ideally, you'll setup the recordings storage group on the master backend and not set up one at all on the two slave backends
[15:57:37] wagnerrp: if you dont want the master backend or one of the slave backends recording on one of the storage definitions, simply make sure that folder doesnt exist on that machine
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[15:58:10] lautriv: tgm4883, i can't tell the master there is backend2:/recordings.
[15:58:28] wagnerrp: no, you tell the master there is "/recordings"
[15:58:39] tgm4883: lautriv, .... what wagnerrp said
[15:58:48] wagnerrp: and backend2 automatically picks up that definition and uses it
[15:58:52] ** lautriv has to play daddytaxy, back in a few. **
[15:59:06] wagnerrp: even though it is defined on master
[15:59:54] tgm4883: AFAIK, mythtv has no ability to record to NFS shares directly. You have to mount them first
[16:00:27] wagnerrp: lautriv: tgm4883 is correct, if that's what you were trying to accomplish
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[16:54:47] wagnerrp: monkeypet69: better to get that part in sooner rather than later
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[16:59:27] lautriv: tgm4883, i never assumed myth may write to NFS without a mount ;) actually i have /srv/myth/recordings which is the same NFS-mounted location on all backends where myth handles it proper. the only thing i could not be sure is the behaviour of each backend if this (or a similar) may be local only.
[17:00:41] wagnerrp: each backend makes its own choice about what is local and what is remote
[17:00:50] wagnerrp: and each backend load balances independently of one another
[17:01:41] lautriv: wagnerrp, but ... why was my setting empty on the slaves, shouldn't they already have the masters setting ?
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[17:19:34] lautriv: ok, next thing ...... got anyone rid of those ringbuf messages complaining about a small delay before getting data ? actually my ringbuf is at 39M , increasing won't do anything.
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[17:55:12] ** wizbit checks log **
[17:55:34] wizbit: DVBSH(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Device EOF detected
[17:55:38] wizbit: what does it mean? :(
[18:13:31] lautriv: wizbit, sounds a bit like stream abrupt.
[18:14:45] wizbit: what does that mean?
[18:15:48] wagnerrp: whats this?
[18:16:01] wagnerrp: a countdown time on http://www.blackmesasource.com ?
[18:16:12] wagnerrp: kormoc: can it be?
[18:17:33] kormoc: wagnerrp, "This game has been Greenlit by the Community!" http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=94128543
[18:18:08] kormoc: wagnerrp, I can't wait
[18:18:55] lautriv: wizbit, intermission ?
[18:18:55] wizbit: topic guys
[18:19:17] wizbit: lautriv: i dont understand long words like that
[18:19:30] lautriv: wizbit, sending pause ?
[18:20:24] wizbit: lautriv: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vcgggrx5
[18:20:34] wizbit: my log is filled to the top with stuff like that
[18:21:38] lautriv: wizbit, what happens on frontend if EOF appears in log ?
[18:22:04] wizbit: all my recordings seem ok
[18:22:06] wagnerrp: seems they may take a bit longer to get on steam, but they're releasing something friday at noon EDT, one way or another
[18:22:09] wizbit: the frontend seems ok
[18:22:33] wizbit: but i know in the back of my mind something is not right
[18:23:31] wizbit: Wrong PMT; pmt what does PMT mean? what does it stand for?
[18:23:31] lautriv: wizbit, now EOF is a clear statement, not neccesary a real error but i wonder why it's about your device ;)
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[18:24:58] wizbit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premenstrual_tension  ?
[18:25:37] wizbit: program map table
[18:25:42] ** wagnerrp heads up to microcenter to pick up another hard drive **
[18:27:43] wizbit: interesting
[18:28:05] wizbit: the PMT errors only show on adaptor 0, never adaptor 1
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[18:30:45] lautriv: wizbit, different cards ?
[18:32:11] wizbit: ive cleared all logs
[18:32:22] wizbit: and started the backend, im going to check the logs with a fine brush
[18:32:33] wizbit: CoreContext configuration.cpp:64 (Load) – Error parsing: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml at line: 1 column: 1
[18:32:41] wizbit: CoreContext configuration.cpp:66 (Load) – Error Msg: unexpected end of file
[18:32:55] wizbit: config.xml is zero length, there is nothing inside it
[18:35:27] wizbit: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /333794.html
[18:37:27] wizbit: problem solved
[18:40:20] lautriv: nice
[18:41:19] wizbit: the next problem
[18:41:32] wizbit: CoreContext programinfo.cpp:2278 (GetPlaybackURL) – ProgramInfo(1001_20120830191912.mpg): GetPlaybackURL: '1001_20120830191912.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found
[18:41:43] wizbit: there are about 6 mpgs what can not be found in the log
[18:43:38] lautriv: hey, look there --> http://www.ebay.de/itm/110951109033?ssPageNam . . . .m1558.l2649 would that be enought for a frontend ?
[18:46:06] wizbit: i doubt it lol
[18:46:29] ** wizbit cleans his backend **
[18:46:39] wizbit: touch works!!!!
[18:48:17] wizbit: next problem: Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt
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[18:50:46] wizbit: at last!! my backend starts with no errors in log at all
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[18:52:12] wizbit: right, as soon as i did a mythfilldatabase
[18:52:21] wizbit: DVBRead dvbstreamhandler.cpp:214 (RunTS) – DVBSH(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Device EOF detected
[18:52:24] wizbit: popped up in the log
[18:52:38] wizbit: so maybe this has something to do with DVB EIT scanning
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[19:32:43] lautriv: wizbit, i do EIT over DVB and no EOF here, you may tell your backend to use the other adaptor where it not occured. ( i assume a wire or plug could be bad because only one adaptor sent EOF )
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[19:56:10] wizbit: lautriv_zzz: ok i will give it a test :)
[19:57:05] wizbit: lautriv_zzz: are you in UK
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[20:23:42] wizbit: lautriv_zzz: i just did a full scan, and all the channels got detected without any conflicts
[20:23:53] wizbit: im going to check the logs now
[20:25:09] wizbit: lautriv_zzz: i can see the exact problem now
[20:25:32] wizbit: when i switch over to a different channel on live tv
[20:25:48] wizbit: the first thing what happens is: DVBSH(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Device EOF detected
[20:25:51] wizbit: maybe that is normal!
[20:26:10] wizbit: then a long list of: DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(8325) desired(8500)
[20:26:14] wizbit: as it tunes in to the channel
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[20:27:19] wizbit: maybe one is meant to just ignore those messages...
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[20:32:06] wizbit: lautriv_zzz: this is exactly what happens when i change the channel: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3yBhA09k
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[20:39:56] wagnerrp: and now the lengthy process of moving 2TB of data off one drive so i can properly reformat it with a 4K offset
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[20:42:47] wagnerrp: plus a nice defrag as a bonus
[20:43:09] jm|laptop: kormoc: ping? Is there a mythweb branch that support 0.26, yet?
[20:43:25] wagnerrp: its working with 0.26 just fine here
[20:43:35] jm|laptop: oh.
[20:43:50] ** jm|laptop gets mythplugins 0.26-rc2 and tries again **
[20:44:01] jm|laptop: kormoc: rst
[20:44:08] wagnerrp: no, i think you're looking in the wrong place
[20:44:16] jm|laptop: oh
[20:44:28] wagnerrp: mythweb doesnt actually have any specific version checks built into it
[20:44:59] wagnerrp: so if that's what you're seeing, that's not mythweb
[20:45:15] wagnerrp: also, mythweb is no longer included in mythplugins
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[20:46:15] jm|laptop: thanks for the pointers
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[20:51:58] jm|laptop: hm. 500 error and nothing in error.log
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[21:05:01] wizbit: im a idiot
[21:05:38] wizbit: if i swap channel, and the channel is on the same multiplex, the log is clean apart from
[21:05:52] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: you want to put somewhere in the wiki/docs to *not* use hypervisors?
[21:05:53] wizbit: DVBSH(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Device EOF detected when i switch the channel
[21:06:39] wizbit: if i tune into a channel on another multiplex, then the log fills with Wrong PMT; pmt, but that makes sense, because the tuner needs to re-tune into the different multiplex
[21:06:47] wagnerrp: someone will take it down as trolling
[21:06:50] wagnerrp: ill have to ban them
[21:07:29] stuartm: wizbit: the Device EOF warning can be ignored, it shouldn't be displayed (and isn't in 0.26) but nothing bad has happened there
[21:07:52] wizbit: stuartm: if i tune into bbc1, bbc2, bbc3 the log is clean
[21:08:04] wizbit: if i tune into itv, itv2, itv2+ the log is clean
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[21:08:19] wizbit: its only when i cross over a multiplex i get Wrong PMT; pmt
[21:08:32] wizbit: say from bbc1 to itv
[21:08:42] wizbit: but thats because the tuner needs to retune itself
[21:08:47] stuartm: wizbit: does it still tune the channel though?
[21:08:51] wizbit: yep
[21:09:05] wizbit: i dont have any problems, i just wondered what those messages were about
[21:09:09] stuartm: yeah, those can be ignored then, and probably shouldn't be shown at all
[21:09:27] stuartm: just debugging that hasn't been properly suppressed from 'normal' verbose levels
[21:09:30] wizbit: stuartm: here is a example, from BBC1 to ITV
[21:09:30] wizbit: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3yBhA09k
[21:10:21] ** wizbit wipes mythtv off the problem list **
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[23:41:59] aormond: Looking for advice please: Since .25 MythWelcome doesn't reliably display when frontend is quit. It still works, but it's not visible (typically all I see is the blank theme background). It still shuts down, and will let me restart the frontend as well… I just can't see it.
[23:42:23] aormond: Usually, the second time I quit to MythWelcome it will display properly.
[23:42:45] aormond: Currently running .25.2 with Mythbuntu 11.04
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