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| [00:05:54] | [R]: | so i just found out my receiver has been down since saturday night |
| [00:05:58] | [R]: | and i missed everyhtihng yesterday |
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| [00:40:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, thats the setting i was referring to |
| [00:42:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, figured there wouldn't be problems as long as he was using that |
| [00:42:21] | sphery: | wasn't sure if there was more to it |
| [00:43:47] | sphery: | and thanks for the confirmation/actual info on the HDHR thread |
| [00:52:43] | wagnerrp: | yikes... $2K for their tech3 2x4 |
| [00:53:47] | wagnerrp: | which doesnt even make sense, since its just 4 of their tech3 dual units in a box |
| [00:53:57] | sphery: | wow |
| [00:54:06] | sphery: | enterprise pricing? |
| [00:54:07] | wagnerrp: | which are $300 each |
| [00:54:26] | wagnerrp: | enterprise capability |
| [00:55:18] | wagnerrp: | better signal meters, multicast support, integrated http control application, etc... |
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| [01:09:10] | jpabq: | neufeld's technique for adding closed captions to HD-PVR recordings works well. I did have to tweak the scripts a bit, to allow for two HD-PVRs, but that was easy. Trickiest part was figuring out how to get the PVR-500 to actually embed captions into the mpeg stream. |
| [01:09:34] | jpabq: | I have noticed that it takes myth a log longer to start playback of a show, when there is a .srt file alongside. |
| [01:10:59] | sphery: | likely the remotefile handling, without any kind of optimizations for srt files |
| [01:11:51] | sphery: | i.e. needs tweaking for how they're used, just like has been done for some of the video stuff (IFOs? or ...) |
| [01:14:55] | jpabq: | The longer the recording, the longer it takes to start playback — so I assume it is reading in the whole srt before playback starts. Might not take so long if the frontend was on the same machine as the backend... |
| [01:15:33] | sphery: | yeah, might even want to try nfs to see if it speeds up significantly |
| [01:16:01] | sphery: | if so, there's likely something you can do to add yet another special case to remotefile |
| [01:17:33] | jpabq: | I don't actually need captions much, but they are nice to have available — especially for BBC America shows ;-) |
| [01:18:28] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [01:18:53] | sphery: | I pretty much always have captions on (to the point that I'd just enable them on the STB if I were using an HD-PVR) |
| [01:19:17] | tgm4883: | Is there an easier way to get recording metadata from the services API than using GetRecorded? |
| [01:19:30] | tgm4883: | perhaps something similar to GetVideo |
| [01:19:33] | sphery: | they're seldom in the way, and always nice to have |
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| [01:20:09] | sphery: | especially since they seem to do a good job of covering up dialog with other audio and some actors love to mumble |
| [01:20:17] | tgm4883: | I don't understand why I can't use RecordId, unless RecordId isn't what I think it is |
| [01:20:19] | sphery: | tgm4883: not sure |
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| [01:20:48] | sphery: | tgm4883: we don't have a "recordid" per se in mythtv--each recording is uniquely identified by channel and starttime |
| [01:21:04] | tgm4883: | sphery, then what is RecordId? |
| [01:21:06] | sphery: | eventually, we'll make it better |
| [01:21:18] | sphery: | ah, recordid is the id of the recording rule |
| [01:21:20] | tgm4883: | does it have to do with the recording schedule? |
| [01:21:21] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [01:21:22] | sphery: | used to record the recording |
| [01:21:43] | sphery: | didn't recognize it with caps |
| [01:21:44] | tgm4883: | sphery, that makes sense. Then can you at least verify that this looks correct |
| [01:21:45] | tgm4883: | http://192.168.0.10:6544/Dvr/GetRecorded?Star . . . ;ChanID=6707 |
| [01:21:47] | sphery: | (as it's not caps in schema) |
| [01:22:11] | sphery: | seems reasonable, but I haven't done anything with that |
| [01:22:35] | tgm4883: | I just get a 501 error with that |
| [01:22:36] | sphery: | it's possible the Z is breaking it |
| [01:22:58] | sphery: | though 501 is Not Implemented |
| [01:23:13] | tgm4883: | <errorDescription>Channel ID or StartTime appears invalid.</errorDescription> |
| [01:23:23] | tgm4883: | although I'm pulling both using the API |
| [01:23:26] | sphery: | likely meaning that you're using GET and it requires POST or something? |
| [01:23:34] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [01:23:34] | sphery: | or that |
| [01:23:36] | ** tgm4883 looks ** | |
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| [01:23:38] | sphery: | so use it without Z |
| [01:23:48] | sphery: | and note that Qt 4.8 puts in a Z when we never did before |
| [01:23:57] | sphery: | so most of MythTV is assuming there's no Z |
| [01:24:04] | sphery: | eventually we'll have to fix MythTV to work with Z |
| [01:24:05] | tgm4883: | without Z doesn't work either |
| [01:24:13] | sphery: | including patching it to use Z when on Qt < 4.8 |
| [01:24:15] | tgm4883: | which I'm assuming is UTC, so even adjusting -8 hours |
| [01:24:22] | tgm4883: | unless.... |
| [01:24:45] | tgm4883: | nope, adjusting -7 doesn't work either |
| [01:26:23] | sphery: | then I'd suggest trying POST |
| [01:27:06] | sphery: | the error message may be a bit misleading if the 501 is, in fact, the real problem |
| [01:30:08] | tgm4883: | bah |
| [01:30:15] | tgm4883: | sphery, nm, my bad |
| [01:30:20] | tgm4883: | http://192.168.0.10:6544/Dvr/GetRecorded?Star . . . ;ChanID=6707 |
| [01:30:24] | tgm4883: | != |
| [01:30:27] | tgm4883: | http://192.168.0.10:6544/Dvr/GetRecorded?Star . . . ;ChanId=6707 |
| [01:30:48] | ** tgm4883 hangs his head in shame ** | |
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| [01:31:26] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [02:32:39] | dj_segfault: | Hi. I just upgraded my server from ubuntu 10.14 to kubuntu 12.04. It's running MythTV. My mythclient boxes, still running 10.04, can't connect because the schema is different. Is there a way of upgrading mythtv-client on 10.04 to the latest stable? |
| [02:34:27] | [R]: | use the mythbutnu repos |
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| [02:53:35] | tank-man: | why don't you update the clients to kubuntu 12.04 as well? |
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| [06:00:29] | dj_segfault: | How do I get mythtv-backend to log to a logfile instead of syslog? I see there's a command line option, but this is starting as an upstart job (I think). So is there a setting somewhere? This is on kubuntu. |
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| [06:13:16] | [R]: | dj_segfault: why aren't you using the mythbuntu pacakges? |
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| [06:15:54] | dj_segfault: | [R]: Can you do that in Kubuntu? I thought Mythbuntu was (1) an entire remix of ubuntu set up to use MythTV, and (2) a set of packages that added said theme to ubuntu. I didn't know those packages did anything else, and didn't think they would do anything under KDE. |
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| [06:17:30] | [R]: | you just add a repo |
| [06:17:36] | [R]: | and it preovides the mythtv pacakges |
| [06:18:06] | dj_segfault: | How are they different than the packages already in the repo? |
| [06:18:38] | [R]: | they are updated and newer |
| [06:18:44] | [R]: | and the logging stuff is all set up |
| [06:18:50] | wagnerrp: | (to use syslog) |
| [06:19:04] | wagnerrp: | hes saying he wants to switch it from syslog to file logging |
| [06:19:27] | wagnerrp: | should just be as simple as changing out the one argument for the other in the upstart script |
| [06:21:31] | [R]: | it also sets up syslog |
| [06:21:34] | [R]: | to log it to a file |
| [06:21:49] | wagnerrp: | but that means one file for all instances |
| [06:22:21] | dj_segfault: | I only have one back end |
| [06:22:54] | wagnerrp: | and should you ever restart it, it will get appended right onto the previous logs |
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| [06:23:39] | wagnerrp: | the advantage, or fault, of direct file logging is that it creates a new file each time you start another instance of the application |
| [06:23:50] | wagnerrp: | easier to separate things out, but a bit of a clutter |
| [06:24:10] | wagnerrp: | if you dont care one way or another, just stick to syslog |
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| [06:26:15] | dj_segfault: | logrotate can solve the appending problem. That's not a big deal. My motivation is, when I want to look at what's going on with mythtv, I want to look at a logfile, not grep through syslog which has everything under the sun in it. |
| [06:26:42] | wagnerrp: | nothing you said there is correct |
| [06:27:14] | wagnerrp: | the "appending problem" isnt anything logrotate can fix |
| [06:27:17] | dj_segfault: | In what way is it incorrect? |
| [06:27:28] | wagnerrp: | it means it is difficult to separate out two different runs of an application |
| [06:27:48] | wagnerrp: | meaning it is more difficult for users to send us the log of the specific instance that had a problem |
| [06:28:06] | wagnerrp: | logrotate just cuts at certain times or file sizes |
| [06:28:26] | wagnerrp: | syslog is just a logging daemon |
| [06:28:45] | wagnerrp: | and can filter and sort incoming logs to any number of files you want |
| [06:29:23] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt require everything get dumped into the main 'messages.log', and the stock configuration for the mythbuntu packages is that mythtv's applications all go to their own files, not the big system collecting pot |
| [06:30:53] | dj_segfault: | yes I know. I'll be more explicit, then. Mythtv-backend output is all going to /var/log/syslog. That file all sorts of stuff in it. I don't care if it's writing directly or through syslog, but I would like the logs in another file in /var/log, preferably in /var/log/mythtv. How do I do that? |
| [06:31:41] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Simple_rsyslog_Configuration |
| [06:31:46] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Simple_syslog-ng_Configuration |
| [06:32:12] | wagnerrp: | im not sure which daemon ubuntu uses |
| [06:32:34] | wagnerrp: | although i was under the assumption the mythbuntu packages already set up the syslog configuration in such a manner |
| [06:34:45] | dj_segfault: | Interesting. I see /etc/rsyslog.d/40-mythtv.conf sure looks like it does just that. But it isn't. And I see that rsyslog is running. And I see "/usr/bin/mythbackend --syslog local7 --user mythtv" from ps. Yet it's still not logging there. |
| [06:37:06] | dj_segfault: | It sounds like I need to bug #ubuntu at this point. Thanks for the info. |
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| [09:32:48] | lautriv: | suggestions for avoid stuttering on HDTV ? |
| [09:32:56] | lautriv: | s/for/to |
| [09:35:33] | lautriv: | details : works on one frontend, stutters on another, same network, second one is less powerfull, i guess some playback-option may help. |
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| [09:49:44] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, about that "transponder-edit" it worked on a slave but not the master. pointed out the DB wass messed up again. |
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| [15:21:03] | darkstarbyte: | Who ever was complaining about the mpg files being way to big, I found something you might want to look into |
| [15:21:21] | wagnerrp: | a deal on hard drives? |
| [15:21:28] | darkstarbyte: | x264 --preset superfast can half the size of animations. |
| [15:21:34] | wagnerrp: | booo |
| [15:21:48] | darkstarbyte: | It is super fast also |
| [15:21:58] | wagnerrp: | probably looks pretty poor by the end too |
| [15:22:06] | darkstarbyte: | no |
| [15:22:16] | darkstarbyte: | --crf 10 makes even hd look ok |
| [15:22:43] | darkstarbyte: | I even saw hardware encoders on the internet also. |
| [15:23:15] | darkstarbyte: | You have to be running a flexable *nix operating system for one of them. |
| [15:23:36] | wagnerrp: | youll cut a decent chunk of size out of the file just by converting from TS to something more efficient |
| [15:23:43] | wagnerrp: | which might take all of a few minutes |
| [15:23:52] | wagnerrp: | since all youre really doing is a file copy |
| [15:24:07] | ronoc-work: | TS? |
| [15:24:08] | darkstarbyte: | what do you mean from a ts? |
| [15:24:24] | wagnerrp: | mpeg transport stream |
| [15:24:50] | darkstarbyte: | as in using ffmpeg with it codec copy options? |
| [15:24:55] | darkstarbyte: | its* |
| [15:25:09] | wagnerrp: | contains all kinds of redundancy and padding such that you can pick up playback at any point in the file |
| [15:25:18] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to read headers/footers |
| [15:25:49] | darkstarbyte: | I am taking it out of the mpg format, so I guess I should check. |
| [15:26:26] | darkstarbyte: | 100 megabytes smaller is about the biggest difference. |
| [15:26:33] | wagnerrp: | between converting from a TS to a PS, and clipping commercials, 3–4 minutes of effort per episode cuts off maybe 35% of my recordings |
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| [15:26:37] | sphery: | TS is about 30% overhead compared to PS, IIRC |
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| [15:26:50] | wagnerrp: | from ~6GB/hr down to 3.5–4GB/hr |
| [15:27:10] | darkstarbyte: | I should probably need a lossless reconvert? |
| [15:27:20] | wagnerrp: | not quite that high, more like 10–15% |
| [15:27:22] | sphery: | and if you also cut commercials with the lossless transcoder, you get another 30% off |
| [15:27:27] | sphery: | meaning you'll be down to half the file size |
| [15:27:41] | wagnerrp: | darkstarbyte: think of a TS or PS or MKV like a zip file |
| [15:27:54] | wagnerrp: | its a container, wrapped around the audio and video data streams |
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| [15:28:07] | wagnerrp: | you're keeping the data streams intact, you're just repackaging them |
| [15:28:13] | darkstarbyte: | lossless transcoding it is. |
| [15:28:25] | darkstarbyte: | I have never filled up my 1.5 terabyte hard drive |
| [15:28:33] | wagnerrp: | lossless transcoding in mythtv is a bit more complex |
| [15:28:39] | darkstarbyte: | I don't think this will even make much of a difference. |
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| [15:29:09] | sphery: | yeah, guess it's about 20% for TS->PS |
| [15:29:12] | wagnerrp: | in addition to converting from a TS to a PS, its going to clip out the commercials defined by your manual cutlist, and is going to fix the frames around the cuts to make them complete |
| [15:29:20] | sphery: | but still, cutting commercials generally gives about 30% |
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| [15:29:53] | wagnerrp: | from PS->MKV is another 5%-1% or so |
| [15:29:56] | wagnerrp: | 10* |
| [15:30:22] | darkstarbyte: | I go from TS to MKV with the codecs called copy. |
| [15:30:23] | wagnerrp: | i was shaving 1–2GB off my HDDVD EVOBs by converting them |
| [15:31:19] | darkstarbyte: | For some reason my files get minor corruptions, or media players don't them. |
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| [15:41:35] | darkstarbyte: | vlc won't play audio on them. |
| [15:43:19] | darkstarbyte: | the copy codec fixes corruptions, and maxes io |
| [15:45:07] | darkstarbyte: | I will have to worry about file sizes in 1250 more gigabytes. |
| [15:47:10] | darkstarbyte: | I am getting about 1000fps with the container transfers. |
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| [15:53:24] | EvilGuru: | I might have to look into TS -> PS, assuming it is easy to set up a job for it |
| [16:02:29] | darkstarbyte: | I can't |
| [16:02:41] | darkstarbyte: | Most of my recordings happen back to back. |
| [16:06:39] | darkstarbyte: | So this would take up all of the io and not allow anything to record well. |
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| [17:30:09] | jarle: | I'm trying to set up a "record in this time-period each day" rule, but it seems to stop working (the rule is gone) after a couple of recordings, is there a special trick to get this working?? |
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| [18:08:45] | darkstarbyte: | It might not be recording because it detects a repeat. |
| [18:09:50] | darkstarbyte: | I have a question |
| [18:11:13] | darkstarbyte: | Is there a program that I can skip through a video hit a button from time to time in order to map out places to cut instead of relaying on the commercial detection? |
| [18:11:42] | darkstarbyte: | You know, without it having to be a full on video editor. |
| [18:12:01] | darkstarbyte: | I most likely should ask this in ffmpeg. |
| [18:12:06] | jarle: | darkstarbyte: this is built into the frontend |
| [18:12:32] | jarle: | darkstarbyte: start playback, end then select "M" and edit recording. |
| [18:12:54] | darkstarbyte: | Just if I could get my video driver to let me use the front end in order to watch any of this. |
| [18:13:20] | jarle: | darkstarbyte: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Editing_Recordings |
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| [18:13:47] | darkstarbyte: | I know that it has it, but I can't use it because of my video driver. |
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| [18:14:58] | darkstarbyte: | I may just need to use a full on video editor. |
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| [18:33:45] | gpd: | I have just installed a DVB-S2 card alongside my DVB-T card. I can view HD channels but when I record mythtv doesn't know which to use and when it gets it wrong it fails. |
| [18:33:57] | gpd: | how do I set a channel to be only on a specific card? |
| [18:34:26] | wagnerrp: | you configure mythtv correctly |
| [18:34:43] | wagnerrp: | each tuner is supposed to be able to tune each channel in its attached video source |
| [18:35:03] | wagnerrp: | if your tuners cannot receive the same channels, then you need to give them separate video sources |
| [18:35:32] | gpd: | I followed parker's guide – but not clear where the sources are set separately. |
| [18:35:33] | wagnerrp: | channels are stored in the video source, and the video source is mapped to one or more inputs on your defined cards |
| [18:35:35] | gpd: | http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_freesat.php |
| [18:35:48] | wagnerrp: | open mythtv-setup, it should be obvious |
| [18:36:16] | wagnerrp: | specifically, there is an option labeled "Video Sources" |
| [18:36:37] | wagnerrp: | dump all the channels from your existing one, make a second one |
| [18:36:55] | wagnerrp: | in input connections, map one source to the terrestrial tuner, and one to the satellite tuner |
| [18:37:02] | wagnerrp: | then scan them both |
| [18:38:31] | gpd: | ok – thanks |
| [18:38:43] | gpd: | and is there a way to avoid duplication of lots of channels? |
| [18:39:07] | wagnerrp: | give them the same callsign and channum, and mythtv will treat them as a single channel |
| [18:39:11] | gpd: | when I had just two DVB-T cards i had sensible channel numbers and no duplicates - |
| [18:39:39] | gpd: | now i have channels in the 000s and multipe copies of each channel on different nubmers |
| [18:39:47] | wagnerrp: | the channels and guide data will be duplicated in the database, but it will be transparent from the user's perspective |
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| [18:40:06] | wagnerrp: | both channum and callsign are arbitrary values that you can set to whatever you want |
| [18:43:09] | gpd: | ok – i've deleted all channels. created a new video source (dvb-s2) and renamed old to (dvb-t). changed input connectors so adapter0 goes to dvb-t and 1 to dvb-s2 and now rescanning channels. |
| [18:43:16] | gpd: | hopefully that's what you said! – thanks. :) |
| [18:43:32] | wagnerrp: | sounds right |
| [18:44:00] | wagnerrp: | then you just need to remap your XMLTV IDs (or use EIT), and make sure your channums are lined up |
| [18:44:13] | gpd: | ok – using EIT |
| [18:44:33] | gpd: | would XMLTV help with the channel issues – or no difference? |
| [18:44:41] | gpd: | [in the UK] |
| [18:44:52] | wagnerrp: | likely wouldnt make any difference |
| [18:45:08] | gpd: | ok – thanks again. |
| [18:45:17] | wagnerrp: | however since both would then be pulling from radiotimes, it might behave better with duplicate detection in the scheduler |
| [18:46:19] | gpd: | ah – that sounds good - |
| [18:46:21] | gpd: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Uk_xmltv |
| [18:46:28] | gpd: | ^ will follow that... |
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| [18:51:07] | gpd: | hmm. looks overly complex for now – back to EIT |
| [18:56:14] | caelor: | gpd, regarding channel numbering, you might want to look into using something like mythupchuk (https://github.com/StarsoftAnalysis/mythupchuk) |
| [18:57:20] | caelor: | my personal prerence for channel numbering in a similar setup (DVB-T and DVB-S in my case) is to use Sky channel numbering – they have the best superset of channels |
| [18:59:04] | caelor: | configuring XMLTV for the radio times would also give you 14 days of listings, as opposed to ~7 with EIT |
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| [19:01:35] | gpd: | thanks caelor – i'll look at both of those options |
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| [19:02:14] | caelor: | xmltv takes a bit of setting up, but for the most part it then keeps working |
| [19:07:42] | wagnerrp: | at least when using something like radiotimes with an API |
| [19:08:14] | wagnerrp: | scrapers tend to be much less robust |
| [19:12:49] | caelor: | yes. Although in my opinion the quality of the RT listings has gone down since the BBC outsourced it |
| [19:18:33] | gpd: | can't open file '/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py': |
| [19:18:52] | gpd: | I get a lot of that in my logs – since update to ubuntu precise - |
| [19:18:59] | caelor: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [19:19:22] | gpd: | 0.25.2+fixes.20120802.46cab93–0ubuntu1 |
| [19:20:02] | caelor: | I think jamu was removed for 0.25, so it not being there would be right. Could you pastebin some context from the logs? |
| [19:20:55] | wagnerrp: | correct, jamu is no longer packaged with 0.25, and isn't needed anyway |
| [19:20:57] | gpd: | ah – that might make sense – especially given this: |
| [19:20:59] | gpd: | /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory |
| [19:21:16] | wagnerrp: | seems you somehow have the cron job still configured |
| [19:22:24] | gpd: | looks like you are right: |
| [19:22:26] | gpd: | cron.daily/mythtv-frontend: su mythtv -c "/usr/bin/python /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py -M >> '/var/log/mythtv/jamu.log' 2>&1" |
| [19:22:38] | gpd: | not sure why that wasn't updated in the update... |
| [19:23:23] | caelor: | if the package manager decided you'd changed the cron job for some reason, it might have left it |
| [19:23:41] | caelor: | you can safely remove the job from cron.daily |
| [19:24:49] | gpd: | yup – looks like weekly and hourly too |
| [19:25:17] | caelor: | yes. Metadata fetching is now internal, so the cron jobs aren't required |
| [19:25:34] | gpd: | great – glad to be rid of that |
| [19:25:53] | caelor: | (well, internal in that the myth* programs call the python scripts to fetch data themselves, and parse the results) |
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| [19:47:10] | lautriv: | wagnerrp, do you vdpau ? |
| [19:47:22] | wagnerrp: | only on one of my machines |
| [19:48:39] | lautriv: | i have 2 frontends using nvidia but seems there is a problem with vdpau, how to dig into the real issue ? ( i assume rather the generic machine settings than myth ) |
| [19:49:00] | wagnerrp: | what specific cards? |
| [19:50:10] | lautriv: | let's track it down to one box, makes it easier. there is a GeForce 7300 GS (G71) using kernel 3.5.3 and nvidia 304.37 |
| [19:50:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah... that doesnt do VDPAU |
| [19:51:04] | lautriv: | ok, one solved :( the other is a Quadro FX but actually no idea which one. |
| [19:51:29] | wagnerrp: | need to know the specific model, it might not either |
| [19:51:41] | lautriv: | moment ... |
| [19:52:03] | lautriv: | quadro FX 1400 |
| [19:52:12] | caelor: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo . . . 28HD.29_GPUs is a good reference |
| [19:53:16] | caelor: | I think that shares the same chip as the GeForce 6800, which would suggest that doesn't either |
| [19:53:17] | wagnerrp: | the FX1400 is an NV41... Geforce 6800 |
| [19:53:46] | wagnerrp: | in fact, i dont think either of those are even still supported by the current generation drivers |
| [19:54:48] | lautriv: | huh, why are the quadros more expensive ( and faster) then ? |
| [19:54:57] | wagnerrp: | slower, actually |
| [19:55:31] | wagnerrp: | quadros usually have more memory, and certain capabilities for acceleration of certain professional applications unlocked |
| [19:55:51] | caelor: | they were targetted at workstation use, so it's more on an enterprise pricing, rather than consumer |
| [19:55:56] | wagnerrp: | they also tend to be clocked lower, with much higher accuracy tolerances |
| [19:56:08] | wagnerrp: | they are a higher quality bin, so they charge more |
| [19:56:21] | EvilGuru: | I believe many of the differences are driver-end |
| [19:56:43] | lautriv: | ok, at least i haven't to fiddle with vdpau there. one box is stuttering on HDTV while the other doesn't what would be a sane tuning ? ( same network the smooth HDTV box has more CPU-Power |
| [19:57:02] | EvilGuru: | Well that and the GPU core itself exposes some extra functionality useful for CAD/CAM |
| [19:57:26] | wagnerrp: | the desktop versions allow some amount of rendering errors, because who really cares about a few artifacts in a game |
| [19:58:29] | wagnerrp: | its the reason why you _can_ use CUDA on desktop grade cards, but if you're doing any kind of real work, you want a quadro or tesla |
| [19:59:06] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Kind of. I work in GPU based CFD and the main difference is a 50% cap on double-precision float performance |
| [19:59:42] | wagnerrp: | depending on the generation of cards, that may be a real physical cap |
| [19:59:45] | EvilGuru: | That and memory is usually 1/4 or 1/2 of a Tesla card with an equiv core |
| [20:00:25] | wagnerrp: | the latest 600-series actually have two different types of shader units, one single precision and one double precision |
| [20:00:35] | wagnerrp: | and the single precision ones are not capable of emulating the DP ones |
| [20:01:00] | EvilGuru: | Ah, we are still on the 5xx series (Fermi) mainly because the correspond to the C2075 and C2090 units many clusters have |
| [20:01:01] | wagnerrp: | high performance graphics chips get a bunch of SP ones, and only a couple DP ones (like 15:1) |
| [20:01:17] | EvilGuru: | *they |
| [20:02:13] | EvilGuru: | The other difference, which probably contributes a reasonable amount to the price is ECC memory |
| [20:02:29] | wagnerrp: | again going back to accuracy |
| [20:03:26] | wagnerrp: | ive not actually tinkered with CUDA any yet |
| [20:03:39] | wagnerrp: | were still running old fortran solvers will being maintained since the 80s |
| [20:04:37] | EvilGuru: | Saying that I've mostly given up on ECC memory |
| [20:05:03] | EvilGuru: | There are just so many other places where things can go bad which are not checksummed |
| [20:05:59] | wagnerrp: | let it ride and how your flux limiters handle any significant errors? |
| [20:06:05] | wagnerrp: | s/how/hope/ |
| [20:06:57] | EvilGuru: | Just concluded that if I want confidence I have to run it twice and compare |
| [20:07:05] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [20:07:48] | EvilGuru: | Saying that the low-hanging fruit does appear to be disk drives, if you write 2–3TB in a simulation it is more than possible that a bit or two will be bad |
| [20:08:22] | wagnerrp: | might want to investigate something like ZFS |
| [20:08:37] | wagnerrp: | where all data is checksummed for just such integrity |
| [20:08:48] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Try convining HPC of ZFS/BTRFS for that, so I just do it manually |
| [20:09:11] | EvilGuru: | But it is worrying how many large scale codes write huge amounts of data without checking |
| [20:09:24] | wagnerrp: | especially since solaris is dead and "its not linux" |
| [20:09:40] | wagnerrp: | btrfs isnt yet considered stable is it? |
| [20:09:52] | EvilGuru: | I am also unsure about the error rates for PCI bus transfers |
| [20:10:26] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: I've been using it on my desktop for a year but would not consider it stable |
| [20:10:36] | wagnerrp: | i dont think there is any error correction in pcie is there? |
| [20:11:12] | EvilGuru: | PCIe 3.0 I think does something different, as it is no longer 8b10b |
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| [20:12:21] | wagnerrp: | well 8b/10b was never error correction, it was just to prevent DC bias from forming if you sent a whole bunch of 1s or 0s in sequence |
| [20:13:20] | wagnerrp: | PCIe 3.0 just uses some other encoding mechanism for the same purpose, but with significantly less overhead |
| [20:13:59] | EvilGuru: | Be interesting to move data from main memory to the GPU and back again and see if any bits flip |
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| [20:16:09] | EvilGuru: | Anything worse than 1 in E14 would be interesting |
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| [20:44:00] | fafa88: | PHP Warning: Unknown: function '0' not found or invalid function name in Unknown on line 0, referer: http://localhost/mythweb/tv/list |
| [20:44:03] | darkstarbyte: | For the basic auto commercial stripping I should be able to run |
| [20:44:11] | darkstarbyte: | mythcommflag --gencutlist -f file.mpg |
| [20:44:18] | darkstarbyte: | ? |
| [20:44:36] | fafa88: | how do I know what script was trying to run when that php error happened? |
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| [20:46:24] | clever: | fafa88: should be based on whatever url is in the address bar |
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| [20:52:05] | darkstarbyte: | I keep getting this error |
| [20:52:07] | darkstarbyte: | http://pastebin.com/x07LMFfa |
| [20:52:28] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [20:52:50] | wagnerrp: | for basic commercial skipping, you enable the Commercial Detection job for that recording rule |
| [20:53:07] | darkstarbyte: | I need to do the command line now |
| [20:53:17] | wagnerrp: | why are you doing things on the command line? |
| [20:53:28] | darkstarbyte: | The recordings have already passed. |
| [20:54:11] | wagnerrp: | so... go into Watch Recordings, add all the recordings you want to process to the playlist, and run the Commercial Detection job for the whole playlist |
| [20:54:54] | darkstarbyte: | oh, thanks but if it tries to play the recording my video driver is going to crash and bring the system with it for some reason. |
| [20:55:04] | wagnerrp: | so dont hit play |
| [20:55:16] | wagnerrp: | or use mythweb to fire off a bunch of commercial detection jobs |
| [20:55:20] | darkstarbyte: | no autoplay is good. |
| [20:56:34] | darkstarbyte: | which key is the default for what your talking about? |
| [20:56:52] | wagnerrp: | 'm' |
| [20:57:01] | wagnerrp: | if in doubt, press m |
| [20:57:05] | darkstarbyte: | thanks, and sorry. |
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| [20:59:14] | darkstarbyte: | if I hit m and say comm detection job, it will do them all right? |
| [20:59:22] | darkstarbyte: | oh sorry |
| [20:59:28] | darkstarbyte: | I just read everything |
| [20:59:39] | wagnerrp: | add the jobs you want to run to the playlist |
| [20:59:43] | darkstarbyte: | mythweb must be a plugin I need. |
| [20:59:54] | wagnerrp: | if a playlist is active, then there should be additional playlist options in the menu |
| [21:00:09] | wagnerrp: | one of them is to run jobs on the whole playlist, and one of those jobs would be commercial detection |
| [21:00:23] | wagnerrp: | if you just go directly down to job options after selecting a recording, it will only run on that recording |
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| [21:00:41] | wagnerrp: | mythweb is an external php application, it runs in apache |
| [21:00:46] | darkstarbyte: | Mythweb might be faster in saying do everything. |
| [21:01:11] | darkstarbyte: | apache is a pain to get running, but I guess I will start on that. |
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| [21:11:19] | darkstarbyte: | there were two options |
| [21:11:29] | darkstarbyte: | transcode and stop commercial detection job |
| [21:11:46] | darkstarbyte: | I guess transcode is the commercial detection job |
| [21:11:51] | wagnerrp: | sounds like its already running a commercial detection job |
| [21:12:00] | wagnerrp: | no, those are two separate things |
| [21:12:12] | wagnerrp: | it says "stop" because you already have one queued up for that recording |
| [21:12:29] | darkstarbyte: | In top I only see mythtranscode |
| [21:12:45] | darkstarbyte: | I should stop it. |
| [21:12:49] | wagnerrp: | by default, only one task is allowed to run in the queue at a time |
| [21:13:04] | wagnerrp: | if you are already running mythtranscode on something, then the commercial detection job is idling in the queue |
| [21:14:25] | darkstarbyte: | ok, how do I stop all jobs at once? |
| [21:14:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont know of an easy way |
| [21:15:08] | darkstarbyte: | power button? |
| [21:15:17] | darkstarbyte: | ctrl+c to the back end? |
| [21:15:31] | wagnerrp: | nope, they're in the queue, and the queue is cached in the database |
| [21:15:47] | wagnerrp: | it will pick right back up where it left off when you start the backend |
| [21:15:50] | darkstarbyte: | how to access the queue |
| [21:16:25] | wagnerrp: | you can cancel tasks individually using the system information page |
| [21:16:38] | darkstarbyte: | how to get to that? |
| [21:16:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont know off hand, its in mythfrontend |
| [21:17:05] | darkstarbyte: | I will try to find it. |
| [21:17:14] | wagnerrp: | theres an 'information' or similar item on the main menu |
| [21:18:06] | ** wagnerrp goes back to banning wiki users ** | |
| [21:18:20] | caelor: | sounds theraputic |
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| [21:18:49] | caelor: | you need a banhammer |
| [21:18:54] | darkstarbyte: | system status |
| [21:19:05] | wizbit: | mythtv is starting to crash again... |
| [21:19:07] | wizbit: | strange |
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| [21:19:36] | darkstarbyte: | Or some way to put your self in the computer like tron, and use a real ban hammer. |
| [21:19:39] | lautriv: | wizbit, backend ? |
| [21:19:42] | wizbit: | yep |
| [21:19:52] | wizbit: | when my backend crashes, i cannot stop it |
| [21:19:57] | wizbit: | it remains in ps aux |
| [21:19:58] | caelor: | wizbit, random crashes, or some indication of common cause? |
| [21:20:08] | wizbit: | i pkill -9 mythbackend |
| [21:20:10] | wizbit: | then start it again |
| [21:20:15] | wizbit: | im not sure why |
| [21:20:17] | caelor: | so the process is still running? |
| [21:20:20] | wizbit: | yep |
| [21:20:27] | wizbit: | but it does not respond with livetv |
| [21:20:29] | caelor: | but otherwise non-responsive? |
| [21:20:29] | wagnerrp: | dont -9 things, its poor bractice |
| [21:20:31] | wagnerrp: | *practice |
| [21:20:34] | lautriv: | wizbit, i observed using mythweb and accessing the DB forces it to crash even faster. |
| [21:21:03] | wizbit: | it might be something to do with my setup rather than mythtv itself |
| [21:21:47] | lautriv: | wizbit, i doubt that. was fine from stoneage to 0.24, bad behaviour started with 0.25 |
| [21:21:50] | Arden: | I usually run them all from the command line from /usr/bin and watch the output for both the frontend and backend. Then if one hoses I ctrl+c and kill the process. |
| [21:21:51] | wizbit: | i solved the last problem by re-configuring some stuff in mythtv-setup |
| [21:22:05] | darkstarbyte: | I don't see commercial detection in the backend. |
| [21:22:06] | caelor: | wizbit, next time it's in that state, check if you can access its status page (port 6544 by default)? |
| [21:22:08] | darkstarbyte: | I mean |
| [21:22:10] | darkstarbyte: | top |
| [21:22:23] | wizbit: | caelor: via telnet? |
| [21:22:26] | caelor: | http |
| [21:22:40] | wagnerrp: | telnet is not an http client |
| [21:22:53] | wizbit: | W(W |
| [21:22:55] | wizbit: | wow |
| [21:22:58] | wizbit: | i didnt even know that existed |
| [21:23:01] | ** wizbit is in shock ** | |
| [21:23:07] | Arden: | Can I upgrade from 24.1 to 25.2 easily or will I encounter problems. I would have to upgrade 1 backend and 2 frontends. |
| [21:23:09] | wizbit: | JEEEZE |
| [21:23:19] | wizbit: | wt |
| [21:23:20] | wizbit: | f |
| [21:23:21] | wagnerrp: | seriously? you probably use it all the time |
| [21:23:33] | wizbit: | i have never seen this in my life |
| [21:23:38] | wagnerrp: | mythweb just wraps it in a CSS sheet and displays it as its own |
| [21:23:43] | wizbit: | ohhh |
| [21:24:07] | wizbit: | send a message |
| [21:24:24] | darkstarbyte: | I think I set up the backend funny, so I guess I am going to have to go into it. |
| [21:24:25] | wizbit: | wow |
| [21:24:29] | darkstarbyte: | with mythsettings. |
| [21:24:39] | caelor: | yeah, I've found that only works with a specific frontend address, rather than broadcast, but it's the replacement for mythmessage |
| [21:24:45] | wizbit: | my lord |
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| [21:24:48] | wizbit: | i can see logs here |
| [21:24:52] | wizbit: | nobody told me about this |
| [21:25:03] | wizbit: | TVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(5888) desired(4164) |
| [21:25:04] | Arden: | What is involved in the upgrade from 24.1 to 25.2. Update the packages then run setup? |
| [21:25:11] | wizbit: | DVBSH(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Device EOF detected |
| [21:25:20] | wizbit: | mythtv has PMT ? |
| [21:26:10] | caelor: | PMT errors can point towards needing a rescan |
| [21:26:15] | wizbit: | ohh |
| [21:26:23] | wizbit: | i will do that tomorrow |
| [21:26:38] | wizbit: | will mythweb be phased out |
| [21:26:41] | wizbit: | into this? |
| [21:27:07] | wizbit: | Database is healthy. |
| [21:27:16] | ** wizbit is in total shock ** | |
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| [21:27:22] | darkstarbyte: | shit, oh wait I am running hyper threading which means I can still record while mythcommflag runs. |
| [21:28:07] | caelor: | although I wouldn't have expected that to make the backend unresponsive. For clarification, it doesn't sound like a crash per se, at worst a backend deadlock |
| [21:28:10] | caelor: | (depending on whether the status page is available, and other frontends can connect) |
| [21:28:16] | ** wizbit installs jw player ** | |
| [21:28:32] | wizbit: | a password is required |
| [21:28:52] | darkstarbyte: | I wonder if I can set mythcommflag to stop while recordings are running? |
| [21:29:12] | caelor: | it's an immature feature that is still under development – the password acts as a barrier to entry, effectively |
| [21:29:21] | wizbit: | will scrolling messages come back in action? |
| [21:29:29] | lautriv: | caelor, hey funny suggestion with the service-port, i get this --> http://imgur.com/mz7kh while it'S exceptionally working. |
| [21:30:45] | caelor: | wizbit, have a read around the varous bits of information about the feature – the password is in the appropriate commit into the source, along with caveats about what works. |
| [21:30:49] | wizbit: | does the mythbackend have a telnet service? |
| [21:30:53] | wizbit: | or is that only for frontends? |
| [21:31:14] | darkstarbyte: | I remember telnet |
| [21:31:17] | caelor: | that's only the frontends, but the backend provides a services API (which is on the 6544 port) |
| [21:31:26] | wizbit: | i see |
| [21:31:31] | wizbit: | 6544 = http |
| [21:31:43] | darkstarbyte: | telnet is fun with wireshark |
| [21:32:56] | caelor: | lautriv, that looks like something isn't working. Could be iceweasel (although I doubt it). I don't know much about how the HTTP page works – possibly someone else can help out with that |
| [21:34:21] | lautriv: | caelor, iceweasel is fine but since 0.25 i have a bunch of issues which never happend before. |
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| [21:36:17] | caelor: | I had some issues on 0.25, but eventually tracked them down to small misconfigurations in my setup (e.g. slave backend IP addresses changed) |
| [21:36:22] | darkstarbyte: | I told mythtv to use a very little amount of cpu power, but at the beginning of mythcommflag it uses everything it can get its hands on. |
| [21:37:47] | lautriv: | caelor, actually my slaves working better than the master ;) |
| [21:38:33] | gpd: | is there a way to jump to next bookmarked show? |
| [21:38:50] | caelor: | one of the downsides to Myth is that it's almost too permissive of misconfigurations, and it can be tricky to track down why unexpected behaviour is occurring |
| [21:40:32] | darkstarbyte: | 10 megabytes of free ram. |
| [21:40:39] | lautriv: | caelor, may i assume the count of bugs is higher on 64 bit ? |
| [21:40:50] | caelor: | I wouldn't have expected so |
| [21:41:40] | lautriv: | caelor, vecause my master is a dual-core opteron while the slaves are some 08/15 x86 |
| [21:42:52] | gpd: | there seems to be a table for dvbbookmarks – is there a way to set up a playlist based on programs with bookmarks? |
| [21:43:16] | wagnerrp: | !seen xris |
| [21:43:16] | MythLogBot: | xris is here and has been idle for 5 days 3 hours 26 minutes 53 seconds |
| [21:43:20] | caelor: | not that I'm aware of, but I can't claim to know 100% functionality |
| [21:43:29] | Arden: | Is there an archive of old RPMs anywhere for the 24.1 centos build? |
| [21:44:02] | wagnerrp: | any of you PHP people? |
| [21:44:34] | Arden: | Not really but shoot... |
| [21:44:50] | caelor: | I have some rusty php somewhere in my head |
| [21:46:37] | wagnerrp: | any idea why this might be returning false? http://pastebin.com/jucE6pFd |
| [21:46:47] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt error, so at least that is good |
| [21:46:58] | wagnerrp: | but it should be returning true with the values listed below |
| [21:47:34] | wagnerrp: | but were that the case, AideagswdsguehLeague would not have just created a bogus account on the wiki |
| [21:47:35] | xris: | wagnerrp: ? |
| [21:47:57] | wagnerrp: | xris: could use a php sanity check if you've got a few minutes |
| [21:48:00] | wagnerrp: | see above pastebin |
| [21:48:21] | xris: | not sure how much help I am. haven't really touched php in 2 years. :) |
| [21:48:50] | wagnerrp: | oh... $domain, $maildomain |
| [21:49:03] | xris: | I suspect your regex will have issues though: "/^/" |
| [21:49:32] | wagnerrp: | just followed the php preg_match example |
| [21:49:53] | wagnerrp: | i had variable names wrong on that last email domain check |
| [21:50:37] | caelor: | wagnerrp, my vote would be the regex too |
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| [21:54:31] | Arden: | Which repo holds the packages for zoneminder when running a red hat system? Is it ELrepo or ATRpms? |
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| [21:56:15] | Arden: | atrpms |
| [21:59:59] | wizbit: | i wonder how iamlindoro is doing these days? |
| [22:00:18] | ** wizbit remembers being told off by him more than once ** | |
| [22:00:42] | xris: | wagnerrp: the /^/bla/ will fail because you have a / character in the wrong place |
| [22:00:55] | xris: | or rather, I expect that it would... |
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| [22:05:18] | wagnerrp: | ah, right |
| [22:06:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it was using the username as command characters |
| [22:07:03] | wagnerrp: | indication of such in the apache logs |
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| [22:12:48] | Arden: | can I use 24.1 and 24.3 together? |
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| [22:14:47] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [22:16:50] | Arden: | That might not be so bad then. The docs are clear but like mud. |
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| [22:40:53] | n1md4: | Hello. All my recent recordings say they're only "1 min" long, and don't actually playback. Any ideas? |
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| [23:16:10] | fafa88: | i am planning to continuously ping my hdhomerun prime device and hope it keeps it alive, strange bug 10414 i found in the archives. |
| [23:16:56] | fafa88: | #10414 |
| [23:16:56] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10414 ** | |
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