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| [00:55:58] | Twiggy2cents: | woo a 1.5 month uptime on mythbackend. |
| [00:56:13] | Twiggy2cents: | Too bad I will have to shut it down so I can move it |
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| [01:22:32] | darkstarbyte: | If you are really determined, you can find a way to switch it over to another computer with minimal down time. |
| [01:23:08] | darkstarbyte: | as in, some sort of live way to transfer the process over a secure connection. |
| [01:23:15] | sphery: | or maybe if you're quick enough, you can unplug it from the wall and plug it into an extension cord coming from the other room... |
| [01:23:22] | wagnerrp: | no, he means he has to restart that counter |
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| [01:40:03] | clever: | Twiggy2cents: suspend to disk? |
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| [02:29:34] | SparksIT: | Any one here sport a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250? |
| [02:30:44] | SparksIT: | Looking to use it, and seen some complaints about it having issues tunning in any channel 11? |
| [02:31:25] | wagnerrp: | i imagine few people are using a service that allows them to use the analog tuners these days |
| [02:32:12] | SparksIT: | huh? the HVR-2250 is a Digital tuner? |
| [02:32:38] | darkstarbyte: | I should be able to delete shows from mythtv, without mythtv recording them again, right? |
| [02:32:39] | wagnerrp: | "channel 11" is an analog channel |
| [02:33:12] | wagnerrp: | digital channels must be denoted with two numbers |
| [02:35:40] | SparksIT: | okay |
| [02:39:00] | darkstarbyte: | I will guess not. |
| [02:39:23] | wagnerrp: | default behavior for mythtv is to not record |
| [02:39:34] | wagnerrp: | you have to tell it to mark something as available for re-record |
| [02:40:05] | wagnerrp: | if it gets expired, rather than deleted, there is an adjustable option that controls re-record eligibility |
| [02:41:41] | darkstarbyte: | awesome, time to delete recordings that I have already fixed for another folder |
| [02:43:50] | darkstarbyte: | I mean |
| [02:44:08] | darkstarbyte: | Most of my recordings are kind of broken, so I had to ffmpeg them to make them watchable. |
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| [04:22:17] | fafa88: | I been seeing a bunch of these, |
| [04:22:18] | fafa88: | 2012-07–13 20:02:10.125522 I [10808/10808] CoreContext tv_rec.cpp:816 (FinishedRecording) – TVRec(5): FinishedRecording(4798_2012-07–13T20:02:00) damaged recq:<RecordingQuality overall_score="0" key="4798_2012-07–13T20:02:00"> |
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| [05:22:26] | robru: | hi all. anybody around? |
| [05:22:55] | [R]: | no |
| [05:23:04] | robru: | oh good |
| [05:24:12] | robru: | I was wondering if there was such a thing as an android app that would control mythtv via the local wifi network. |
| [05:24:54] | robru: | I've found an android app that can make my phone be a bluetooth keyboard, but my htpc doesn't have bluetooth, only wifi... |
| [05:26:10] | [R]: | ypu |
| [05:26:12] | [R]: | mythsomethign |
| [05:26:14] | [R]: | its in the market |
| [05:27:55] | robru: | mythmote? |
| [05:28:43] | [R]: | sure |
| [05:29:10] | robru: | you're a helpful fella ;-) |
| [05:30:36] | robru: | mythmote looks like the thing then. thanks! |
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| [06:47:35] | JoeJulian: | Ugh... The new UPnpCDSVideo doesn't build folders (formerly CreateStorageFolder) nor does the videometadata table have the parent ids to build the tree. |
| [06:49:07] | JoeJulian: | So I have over 11000 video files all showing up in one giant list that's impossible to navigate with my upnp players. |
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| [08:47:40] | prologic: | Ok. Everyone's probably been asking this... But here goes again :) |
| [08:47:49] | prologic: | Raspberry Pi + Mythfrontend ? |
| [08:55:00] | ServerSage: | prologic: With a 700MHz ARM11? Probably not. |
| [08:55:01] | stuartm: | two problems, no-one has written an openMax decoder/renderer yet, so no video and the limited RAM is a problem, |
| [08:55:48] | stuartm: | it's fast enough with hardware decoding, but someone needs to write the code to use that facility |
| [08:56:48] | stuartm: | when I say fast enough, it's not going to be snappy, far from it, but it ought to work |
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| [09:04:22] | stuartm: | to put it into context, a 700Mhz processor is probably slower than what we were all running 11–12 years ago before the MythTV project was even started, there's no threading possible – so the UI isn't going to fly |
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| [09:05:39] | stuartm: | the 256MB of RAM has to accommodate the OS and it's split with the GPU, video decoding is going to use a lot of that (we recommend at least 256MB of video ram just for VDPAU!) |
| [09:06:59] | stuartm: | it effectively means we have to slash the texture cache size and some other performance improving caches too, so speed overall is going to suffer even more, themes will need to be designed specially to keep the number of images/textures as low as possible |
| [09:07:15] | stuartm: | especially |
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| [09:15:25] | stuartm: | I have a Raspberry Pi, so I'm interested to see it work, but it's going to take a lot of effort from a lot of people including expertise which we don't currently have in the present developer team (our video decoding/GL/rendering experts have all moved on because of other commitments) |
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| [10:40:39] | lapion: | hmm is mythtv 0.25.2 not stable yet ? |
| [10:43:19] | Ankhwatcher: | hi hi! |
| [10:43:24] | Ankhwatcher: | Is there a good way to get mythtv to quickly re-scan for tv channels? |
| [10:43:36] | Ankhwatcher: | I'm using satelite and the channels move around and dissapear every now and then |
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| [10:58:26] | Ankhwatcher: | also: this doesn't look right http://picpaste.com/pics/MachineSummary.1346149937.PNG can I get MythTV to refresh it's database? |
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| [11:09:42] | wagnerrp: | what looks wrong about it? |
| [11:19:25] | prologic: | ServerSage, err it does have a GPU (VideoCore) with OpenMAX. My understanding is that Mythfrontend would have to have an OpenMAX renderer |
| [11:19:50] | prologic: | stuartm, yeah :) |
| [11:21:47] | prologic: | stuartm, I just got mine the other day and I'm interested in seeing mine run the mythtv frontend as well – even if it's a stripped down fork or such |
| [11:22:25] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: for some better context, a 700MHz ARM11 is probably slower than what we were all using 15 years ago |
| [11:23:06] | prologic: | I still think it could be done regardless of how slow the CPU might be :) |
| [11:23:22] | wagnerrp: | its less than half the IPC of a Pentium of that era, and floating point performance isnt even in the same ballpark |
| [11:23:22] | prologic: | but like stuartm said it'll take some expertise and a lot of effort |
| [11:24:25] | prologic: | and remember the guys over at XBMC have managed to get a version of XBMC running on the RPi |
| [11:24:37] | prologic: | I believe they've written OpenMAX decoders/renderers though |
| [11:30:03] | Ankhwatcher: | wagnerrp: the values don't add up. It still thinks it has a bunch of potential free space in a datastore that is no-longer connected |
| [11:31:12] | wagnerrp: | Ankhwatcher: then you have orphaned videos in your database |
| [11:32:44] | lis0r: | for reference though, having worked on digital tv set top boxes, a 700MHz ARM is way *way* more processing power than most of them have |
| [11:35:36] | ServerSage: | prologic: Correct, it does support OpenMAX. But, you'd still be limited to what it can do, and anybody that actually wants to port it to ARM11 has more work ahead of them than is probably practical. |
| [11:36:43] | ServerSage: | prologic: With the itty bitty tiny amount of RAM it has, you'd be limited to (by today's standards) a low resolution. 1080p isn't practical on 256mb. |
| [11:39:30] | prologic: | How does the RPi achieve the so-called claimed 1080p then? |
| [11:39:55] | prologic: | I agree, 192MB of video ram probably isn't going to cut it for most general purpose applications – let alone mythfrontend |
| [11:39:59] | wagnerrp: | by requiring software specifically designed to be able to operate with such low memory consumption |
| [11:40:00] | ServerSage: | prologic: Because they aren't rendering myth. |
| [11:40:04] | prologic: | it would have to be specifically optimized |
| [11:40:18] | prologic: | wagnerrp, yeah exactly :) |
| [11:40:47] | wagnerrp: | its not that it cant be done, its that no one bothers to do it because any computer you might want to stick on a 1080p TV set is going to have at least a GB of memory |
| [11:41:03] | prologic: | ofc |
| [11:43:14] | prologic: | would mythfrontend play h264 videos (if you transcoded them on the backend) without an openmax decoder/renderer having been written? |
| [11:43:33] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [11:43:44] | ServerSage: | My brain just threw up a little trying to figure that out. |
| [11:44:00] | prologic: | heh |
| [11:44:24] | prologic: | I have 0 experience in video decoding or rendering :) |
| [11:44:31] | prologic: | but yeah I assumed "no" |
| [11:44:36] | wagnerrp: | are you asking if you could have mythbackend transcode the content to something else, and do software decoding on the RPI? |
| [11:45:04] | prologic: | I doubt the 700Mhz ARM could even decode h264? |
| [11:45:13] | wagnerrp: | absolutely |
| [11:45:24] | wagnerrp: | there's no reason it couldnt |
| [11:45:46] | prologic: | ok |
| [11:45:48] | wagnerrp: | it just cant decode h264 at a useful resolution or bitrate |
| [11:45:52] | wagnerrp: | in real time |
| [11:46:19] | prologic: | so it would still be useless without the GPU's help (+OpenMAX) |
| [11:46:46] | wagnerrp: | for all intents and purposes |
| [11:48:04] | prologic: | hmm |
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| [11:48:47] | prologic: | how about a separate project? a myth compatbile frontend written from scratch optimized for the RPi :) |
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| [11:49:52] | wagnerrp: | id rather see the effort made towards cleaning up mythfrontend than writing a new client |
| [11:50:14] | ServerSage: | Same here. |
| [11:50:27] | wagnerrp: | that would benefit all |
| [11:50:42] | wagnerrp: | writing a new client for the RPi would only benefit people using an RPi |
| [11:50:47] | prologic: | optimizing it's memory footprint? |
| [11:51:04] | wagnerrp: | since you're not likely to find another such low memory system on the market |
| [11:51:31] | stuartm: | a new client would mean duplicating a bunch of work, twice the maintenance, really would be the wrong way to go |
| [11:51:32] | wagnerrp: | just about any Cortex system is going to come with at least 512MB, more often 1GB |
| [11:52:01] | prologic: | what needs improving? |
| [11:52:28] | prologic: | I'd like to see more flexible input/keys – I like to use an Apple Remote on my setup, but there are many things I have to resort to the keyboard for |
| [11:53:01] | wagnerrp: | i want to say its nearly all in the UI and video frame memory |
| [11:53:14] | prologic: | yeah I'd have to agree |
| [11:53:17] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know much of anything about the innards of either to make that claim with any authority |
| [11:53:26] | prologic: | the UI for the image gallery and music players aren't that great ihmo |
| [11:53:45] | wagnerrp: | the image gallery is nothing more than a file browser |
| [11:53:53] | ServerSage: | prologic: The music player UI has been the source of many a discussion here. Hehe. |
| [11:53:59] | wagnerrp: | IMO, we need more work on the backend than the frontend for that |
| [11:54:03] | prologic: | heh yeah |
| [11:54:13] | prologic: | I really wanted a mpd ui built into mythfrontend |
| [11:54:19] | prologic: | but sadly the only one that exists kinda sucks |
| [11:55:01] | stuartm: | IMHO there's nothing wrong with the new music UI, just the way that people want to use it (one huge playlist containing all their music which they jump around) |
| [11:55:10] | prologic: | I'd personally also like to see the mythfrontend embed python so that new ui elements can be prototyped quickly in python |
| [11:55:14] | prologic: | but that's just me |
| [11:55:32] | stuartm: | it's funny really, because none of the music players I've used in the last few years (except crappy one on my android phone) operate that way |
| [11:55:51] | lis0r: | prologic: so you want to make it slower and less efficient, yet want to run it on RPi? |
| [11:55:56] | prologic: | I've preffered the mpd/mpc combo for years now |
| [11:56:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, if you want to use something like the RPi, going with an embedded interpreter is the absolute worst thing to consider |
| [11:56:34] | prologic: | well yeah of course |
| [11:56:40] | prologic: | unless it's lua or something |
| [11:56:54] | wagnerrp: | lua included |
| [11:56:55] | lis0r: | if you *realistically* want it to run on something as slow as an RPi with that little RAM, you'd be crazy not to write it in plain old C |
| [11:57:35] | stuartm: | we don't really want or need more UI widgets, we actually slimmed down on those precisely because most themers wanted it to be simpler and less work to create a theme, I think you'd still find that to be the case |
| [11:58:26] | prologic: | maybe I should study how a ui like mythmpd is actually done |
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| [11:59:09] | stuartm: | fwiw, I think that python is only faster to work with than C++ for those who know python but not C++ ... it's more a case of people wanting to work in the language they've learnt rather than any significant advantages of one over the other |
| [11:59:45] | wagnerrp: | the only reason i see python faster is because you can work directly in the interpreter |
| [11:59:49] | prologic: | stuartm, of course and you're quite right |
| [11:59:57] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to recompile and restart to test things |
| [12:00:01] | prologic: | I personally haven't written any C or C++ |
| [12:00:39] | lis0r: | even C++ has it's speed/memory penalty – not quite as bad as an interpreter |
| [12:01:05] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: the other issue is that if you're writing c/c++, it sort of requires a "proper" program be written from scratch |
| [12:01:17] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to some cheap script thrown together in perl/python |
| [12:01:31] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yeah, it tends to call for a slightly different way of working, with C++ you aim to write it to work from the start and with an interpreted language you might write in small chunks testing that it works as you go along |
| [12:01:40] | wagnerrp: | not scratch, but from the start |
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| [12:02:57] | stuartm: | in my case I find that what I write in C++ is better thought out than what I might throw together in a script |
| [12:02:58] | prologic: | anyway have fun all – bed for me |
| [12:03:30] | wagnerrp: | well you can put just as much thought into what you're writing with perl/python |
| [12:03:39] | wagnerrp: | but then it takes just as long as something you would write in c++ |
| [12:03:58] | stuartm: | didn't mean to imply otherwise :) |
| [12:06:06] | quicksilver: | Just retuned my myth box finally after the UK digital switchover (0.21) and even using a channels.conf I downloaded from the internet I'm missing the whole BBC mux |
| [12:06:27] | quicksilver: | I have some *vague* memory I read somethign from justinh about myth actually needing a patch |
| [12:06:37] | quicksilver: | to cope with one particular transponder |
| [12:06:49] | quicksilver: | transport, I mean. |
| [12:07:14] | stuartm: | quicksilver: you're using 0.21? |
| [12:07:26] | quicksilver: | yup |
| [12:07:31] | wagnerrp: | id say it needs somewhere around 15k patches |
| [12:07:34] | quicksilver: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7688 is the issue I'm thinking of. |
| [12:07:34] | stuartm: | can I suggest upgrading? |
| [12:07:56] | quicksilver: | I've been meaning to for ages |
| [12:08:03] | quicksilver: | but you know, if it ain't broke :-( |
| [12:08:14] | stuartm: | well it's broke ;) |
| [12:08:19] | quicksilver: | apparently so. |
| [12:08:46] | ** lis0r has never got the full scan to be useful in the UK anyway ** | |
| [12:08:49] | quicksilver: | is that a confirmation then? This particular transmission mode just isn't supported by the 0.21 scan code? |
| [12:08:54] | stuartm: | I can't remember that far back to advise on what changes/patches you might need |
| [12:09:01] | stuartm: | lis0r: works for me |
| [12:09:05] | lis0r: | always end up with channels triplicated because there are multiple transmitters available |
| [12:09:45] | quicksilver: | stuartm: I'm going away in a few days and I'm not sure I have time to upgrade before I go. Can I manually stick the channel data into the DB? |
| [12:09:47] | lis0r: | normally end up looking up one transport frequency, then letting it find the rest for that transmitter from the NIT |
| [12:09:51] | stuartm: | lis0r: ah, yeah, if you're pointing at multiple transmitters that might be a problem, happens to so few people that no-one has ever written a patch to deal with that scenario |
| [12:10:12] | quicksilver: | I can tune with tzap so my channels.conf is OK I believe. |
| [12:10:14] | wagnerrp: | digital channel data? not easily |
| [12:10:18] | stuartm: | quicksilver: in theory yes, so long as you include all the necessary information |
| [12:11:41] | stuartm: | e.g. you might be able to get channel tuning to work with incomplete data, but EIT collection relies on additional info, so you need it all |
| [12:11:57] | quicksilver: | ah |
| [12:12:25] | quicksilver: | is the EIT data just used for schedules (I use tv grab rt uk) or does it have some other purpose? |
| [12:13:22] | stuartm: | just schedules atm, so if you use uk_rt you don't need to worry about that working |
| [12:13:46] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [12:14:07] | quicksilver: | hard to decide if it will be quicker to manually poke in some channels entries |
| [12:14:11] | quicksilver: | or just try the upgrade |
| [12:14:18] | quicksilver: | after all if might go smoothly :) |
| [12:15:43] | wagnerrp: | from all the way back at 0.21? it wont |
| [12:16:22] | stuartm: | |
| [12:19:06] | quicksilver: | :( |
| [12:19:11] | quicksilver: | why not? |
| [12:19:47] | wagnerrp: | you cant upgrade directly to anything higher than 0.24 |
| [12:19:58] | wagnerrp: | you should just scrap the video library and start fresh |
| [12:20:08] | quicksilver: | :( |
| [12:20:17] | quicksilver: | not that my video library contains anything very interesting |
| [12:20:17] | wagnerrp: | and there are often encoding issues when going from latin-1 to utf-8 |
| [12:20:20] | quicksilver: | but that's still a bit sad |
| [12:20:37] | wagnerrp: | you *can* let the schema update migrate the data |
| [12:20:50] | wagnerrp: | but migrated content wont receive a lot of the new metadata |
| [12:21:01] | wagnerrp: | easier to just let it rescan the content fresh |
| [12:22:09] | quicksilver: | oh by video library you don't mean recorded stuff? |
| [12:22:17] | quicksilver: | I have almost nothing not recorded from TV |
| [12:22:19] | wagnerrp: | no, mythvideo |
| [12:22:34] | quicksilver: | only have two files in there copied from our video camera |
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| [12:32:26] | Ankhwatcher: | when a mythexport job is running what command should I see in TOP? |
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| [13:18:25] | Ankhwatcher: | Where should I go to find out why I can't start mythexport? http://pastebin.com/whsLQQp0 |
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| [13:34:29] | stuartm: | mythexport isn't an official script AFAIK, you might try contacting the author for help? |
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| [17:30:03] | smoothifier: | i went out and bought a hdhomerun prime. I went through the activation process with the cable company and the lineup is shown on my device's web page. I'm getting an "error opening jump program file" when I try to tune to the first channel. |
| [17:31:04] | smoothifier: | there seems to be recognition that it is 480p. i'm wondering if i need to hook up that tuner adapter they gave me (which the girl said i might need) |
| [17:31:54] | smoothifier: | i'm going to attempt to do a channel scan again. i was not finding the channels at the beginning of the list (2–72) before |
| [17:32:45] | wagnerrp: | the HDHomeRun Prime cannot request channels in a switched video system on its own |
| [17:33:01] | wagnerrp: | if you are on such a system, you must have the tuning adapter plugged into the USB port on the Prime |
| [17:36:21] | smoothifier: | how can i tell if i'm on a switchd video system? |
| [17:36:40] | wagnerrp: | they gave you a tuning adapter |
| [17:36:47] | smoothifier: | heheeh |
| [17:36:48] | wagnerrp: | you only use those if you are on a switched video system |
| [17:36:58] | smoothifier: | ask the obvious :) |
| [17:37:06] | smoothifier: | ok well i'll hook it up then |
| [17:37:18] | wagnerrp: | you may get lucky and try to tune a common channel with a dedicated frequency, or one already in use |
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| [17:50:07] | smoothifier: | hmm well i'll have to give them a call, i suppose. the tuner box led is blinking and of course there's no mention of it in the flimsy documenation they gave me :) |
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| [17:53:18] | smoothifier: | googled and apparently the tuning adapter is loading information into flash. 'the waiting is the hardest part' :) |
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| [18:01:27] | smoothifier: | i hope i don't lose power to this tuning adapter. it's really a bear to boot this thing. over 10 minutes now! hahah |
| [18:01:38] | wagnerrp: | have you ever plugged it in before? |
| [18:01:47] | smoothifier: | no, it's brand new |
| [18:01:57] | wagnerrp: | it could be that it is initializing for the first time |
| [18:02:00] | smoothifier: | i think it programmed the flash first and now it's booting the os |
| [18:02:08] | wagnerrp: | and subsequent startups will be much faster |
| [18:02:19] | smoothifier: | (according to the jpeg i found) |
| [18:02:49] | smoothifier: | i hope so because i might need more outlets on my UPS |
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| [18:21:29] | smoothifier: | ...meanwhile, the led blinks on and on... |
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| [20:14:41] | smoothifier: | would it be all right to run the hdhomerun prime off of a 10/100 hub (it's connected by a long cable to the rest of the network) or is another switch advisable? There would only be the mythtv box and the hdhomerun prime on the 10/100 hub. |
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| [21:01:25] | JoeJulian: | I was looking at UPnpCDSVideo last night. Since there's no folders in videometadata, did you have a plan for how to reconstruct that? I was thinking of adding a couple tables, one with the directory structure and one for mapping id to parent id. |
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| [22:45:58] | noisymouse: | hi, all of a sudden neither of my cards is being probed right by mythtv |
| [22:46:23] | noisymouse: | i checked and I have the right drivers built into my kernel |
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| [22:51:15] | awalls: | see if this lists them: v4l2-ctl --list-devices |
| [22:51:41] | awalls: | if it doesnt then mythtv isnt at fault |
| [22:55:16] | noisymouse: | yeah, they don't show, so it's a kernel or hardware issue? |
| [22:55:42] | awalls: | does lsusb and lspci show the hardware? |
| [22:57:02] | noisymouse: | only one shows |
| [22:57:09] | noisymouse: | but that doesn't show in mythtv |
| [22:57:15] | awalls: | note, that if you built v4l/dvb drivers into the kernel (as opposed to modules) |
| [22:57:37] | awalls: | then if they need to load firmware they will likely fail. |
| [22:57:44] | noisymouse: | oh |
| [22:58:04] | noisymouse: | ok, I'll rebuild the kernel with them as modules then |
| [22:58:08] | awalls: | time to look at dmesg and /var/log/messages |
| [22:58:36] | awalls: | the v4l dvb devs always test them as modules. |
| [22:59:10] | awalls: | there is almost no benefit in building them into the kernel |
| [22:59:32] | awalls: | so they are never tested to work that way |
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| [23:14:58] | noisymouse: | ok I just noticed I a new kernel sources was merged. I'm first going to see if it works using that kernel and if not I'll recompile the drivers as modules |
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| [23:59:43] | awalls: | driver built into kernel requests firmware as soon as kernel loads |
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