| Sunday, August 26th, 2012, 00:03 UTC | ||
| [00:03:09] | lwizardl: | i know the card works. I had it working this morning on Win7 Ult with MCE |
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| [00:04:27] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt the HVR-1600 driver be included in 2.6.38 kernel? |
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| [00:29:59] | lwizardl: | i thought it was already in the released distro iso. but i can not seem to get it to work at all in linux |
| [00:30:27] | G: | hmmm crazy question, and this might another of those "we don't really do it this way" but I'm retiring my old MythTV box which uses an HDHomeRun in favour to a newly configured/built MythTV box, which has been configured to the HDHomeRun as well. I've tested the new machine quite well and everything seems fine, so I want to make the old box stop recording, but I want the old backend up for a little while longer. Is there a "no recordings" flag type thin |
| [00:30:46] | G: | i.e. I want to prevent the LiveTV and scheduled recordings to happen |
| [00:31:34] | wagnerrp: | remove all the recording rules, and remove the 'livetv' option from the menu xml |
| [00:32:15] | G: | no other way? Okay, I was afraid that may be the case :) |
| [00:32:28] | wagnerrp: | you can disable the scheduler on the command line |
| [00:32:34] | wagnerrp: | but that is really intended for debugging only |
| [00:32:39] | wagnerrp: | i dont know the implications of that |
| [00:33:14] | G: | yeah, the only other way I can think of is if I just make the tuner invisible to that machine |
| [00:33:32] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, do you know of a working guide for properly installing and configuring the hvr-1600 card for mythtv ? |
| [00:33:34] | G: | although I was hoping that I could avoid that |
| [00:34:02] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: should be configured like any other digital or mpeg encoder card |
| [00:34:20] | G: | wagnerrp: thanks, certainly makes sense, knew what I was attempting was a bit 'crazy' ;) |
| [00:35:55] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, okay I have never had a working mythtv configuration. so what options I try to set must be the wrong ones |
| [00:41:39] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: were any drivers available from your distro for the -1600? |
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| [00:46:14] | lwizardl: | I would hope so but out of all the guides I have tried in the past they all seem to have the same "make" process |
| [00:47:04] | lwizardl: | i must have attempted to get a working myth setup about 30 times now |
| [00:49:04] | wagnerrp: | no, you should not have to make anything |
| [00:49:20] | wagnerrp: | you should plug your card in, boot your computer, and the proper drivers should load automatically |
| [00:49:29] | wagnerrp: | you should see a /dev/video0 and a /dev/dvb/adapter0/ |
| [00:50:09] | lwizardl: | other then inside of myth, is there a way to test those |
| [00:51:00] | wagnerrp: | do they exist? |
| [00:51:08] | lwizardl: | i think it said video0 video24 video32 |
| [00:51:28] | wagnerrp: | you have that input connected to analog cable? |
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| [00:52:02] | lwizardl: | and i do see a directory for /dev/dvb/adapter0 which has demux0 dvr0 frontend0 in it |
| [00:52:06] | lwizardl: | yes |
| [00:52:26] | lwizardl: | just straight coaxial. |
| [00:52:41] | wagnerrp: | add a "MPEG-2 Encoder" card, and it should detect your /dev/video0 |
| [00:53:01] | wagnerrp: | add a "DTV DVB" card, and it should detect your /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| [00:53:13] | lwizardl: | i have a digital cable box from comcast also but i was looking at using the firewire for that after i find out if my system works or not |
| [00:53:28] | wagnerrp: | no, you do not want to use firewire for anything |
| [00:53:33] | lwizardl: | ok i'll load myth setup. i'm on my myth box right now |
| [00:54:38] | lwizardl: | i have the IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card set for /dev/video0 |
| [00:54:50] | lwizardl: | says hvr-160 [cx18] |
| [00:55:04] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [00:56:16] | lwizardl: | and as DVB DTV CARD V3.X |
| [00:56:50] | lwizardl: | /dev/dvb/adapter0/front0 comes up Samsung S5H1409 WAM / Subtype ATSC |
| [00:58:27] | lwizardl: | okay as the DVB it is finding something. so far all encrypted tho |
| [00:58:52] | wagnerrp: | you should expect everything but the local broadcast channels to be encrypted |
| [00:58:58] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [01:02:01] | lwizardl: | this is the longest it has ever taken to scan |
| [01:02:10] | lwizardl: | so maybe that is a good thing |
| [01:02:32] | wagnerrp: | should expect it to take several minutes for a full digital scan |
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| [01:10:08] | lwizardl: | nope just static again |
| [01:10:22] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as static on digital channels |
| [01:10:29] | wagnerrp: | its not possible |
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| [01:11:04] | lwizardl: | it looks like on old sd tvs when you have no source its the static "ant race" image |
| [01:11:35] | wagnerrp: | does your local comcast franchise even do analog cable any longer? |
| [01:11:46] | wagnerrp: | most of them have long since gone to those miniboxes, and dropped analog service |
| [01:12:00] | lwizardl: | when i had windows mce this morning it found 22 channels |
| [01:12:17] | lwizardl: | my cablebox is rng150 |
| [01:12:42] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt expect MCE to find anything |
| [01:12:57] | wagnerrp: | i would expect it to operate exactly like mythtv and provide you a list of analog channels for your service |
| [01:13:04] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be scanning analog |
| [01:13:12] | lwizardl: | most was doubles but it found them |
| [01:17:28] | lwizardl: | 17.1 17.2 13.1 13.2 8.1 3.1 209.3 213.1 203.1 208.2 208.1 35.1 35.2 35.3 41.1 41.2 was the only ones that actually seemed to work |
| [01:17:39] | wagnerrp: | those are all digital, nothing analog |
| [01:17:53] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [01:21:05] | lwizardl: | just what windows found. |
| [01:22:45] | lwizardl: | i think there was others also just not that i can remember exact channels |
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| [01:51:39] | aramus: | Hi there I am having an issue where my mythfrontend always goes into windowed mode, I have 5 frontends same type of computer, same config and only this one does it. Is there a setting I may have messed up that is doing this? |
| [01:55:36] | aramus: | Fixed it lol, disregard |
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| [07:09:58] | uglyoldbob: | is compiling all of mythtv in 6 minutes good? |
| [07:10:17] | [R]: | sure |
| [07:11:25] | uglyoldbob: | any idea how that compares to compile times on other computers? |
| [07:11:32] | [R]: | who cares |
| [07:12:00] | uglyoldbob: | umm.. me? |
| [07:12:36] | [R]: | fine |
| [07:12:39] | [R]: | its a million times better |
| [07:14:27] | uglyoldbob: | oh hold on im still dizzy from rolling my eyes |
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| [07:17:19] | wagnerrp: | its faster than a giant fish in a bear suit |
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| [07:33:27] | uglyoldbob: | well linux-3.5.3 took 2:48.36 to compile bzImage |
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| [08:54:09] | dekarl1: | desto: thats fixed in 0.26 (at least over here using multirec on DVB) wrt: "two simultanious recordings .. mythtv claimed both were recording .. reported no errors .. but didnt record one of the programs" |
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| [12:38:16] | shortbus: | good day to everyone |
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| [14:07:24] | jarle: | I seem to have run into this bug: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8028 Why is it that I can record a channel, and play back the recording, but not watch live-tv??? |
| [14:07:41] | jarle: | (for the specific channel) |
| [14:10:51] | shortbus: | anyone here have any "current" recomendations for transcoding shows to be used with dnla streaming to a samsung tv (7550) via the built in service of mythtv backend. I am trying not to use the frontend at all, but instead use the playback portion of the dlna streaming to the tv and setup mythweb to use for scheduling via laptop, phone, tablet, or even tv browser. |
| [14:11:31] | shortbus: | I have been reading documentation on how to auto transcode, but most of it is either an old hacked up scirpt, or uses the frontend |
| [14:13:20] | shortbus: | My end goal would be to replace the nuv container as the main file in the database with something that is friendly with the dlna devices i have on my network, mainly the samsung tv, but also possibly some of the other devices like the ps3 |
| [14:14:43] | shortbus: | I do not require auto removal of the commercials so it should be as easy as calling mythtranscode on a specific file and then replacing the file name with the new file in the database correct? |
| [14:15:00] | shortbus: | is there a "more friendly" way of doing this? |
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| [14:17:21] | shortbus: | would nuvexport be better? |
| [14:17:44] | shortbus: | i saw a script somewhere for moving nuv to mkv |
| [14:23:17] | jarle: | shortbus: I would think nuvecport was the tool you were looking for. |
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| [14:30:03] | shortbus: | jarle: thanks |
| [14:30:24] | shortbus: | jarle: I am throughly reading over its wiki page at the moment |
| [14:31:04] | jarle: | shortbus: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Daily_ . . . _Commercials |
| [14:31:16] | shortbus: | jarle: there are just so many options and they all are written at different dates for different versions. It is hard to sort through what is still relevent and what is not |
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| [14:32:23] | jarle: | shortbus: I have (hardly) used it myself, so I'm not the right person to guide you through this project. |
| [14:32:37] | shortbus: | jarle: I am currently reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport |
| [14:32:43] | shortbus: | heh |
| [14:33:32] | shortbus: | well... I have always used a frontend myself, but in an effort to consolidate and downsize the number of needed remotes I am trying to setup dlna playback that can use just the one remote |
| [14:33:36] | shortbus: | WAF |
| [14:33:50] | shortbus: | also KAF (kid acceptablity factor) |
| [14:33:55] | shortbus: | heh |
| [14:34:22] | shortbus: | the fact that they do not even need a remote and can just use their hand to control the tv helps too |
| [14:36:00] | shortbus: | this is the tv i just bought about 3 months ago... http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55ES7550FXZA |
| [14:36:09] | shortbus: | the thing is pretty darn cool |
| [14:36:21] | shortbus: | it even has an "upgrade" path |
| [14:36:23] | shortbus: | heh |
| [14:37:32] | shortbus: | it will play back mkv containers at full 1080p so i was thinking to try using that... but then the ps3 (or anything else) may not be able to play it back |
| [14:38:52] | shortbus: | and I really do not care about getting rid of commercials, reducing file size, or anything other than making it something the tv (and possibly other devices) can play back |
| [14:41:06] | jarle: | shortbus: only problem is that transcoding will use a lot of time/CPU, so if you record a lot the machine will be quite busy... |
| [14:41:44] | shortbus: | yea |
| [14:42:04] | shortbus: | i don't record but about 5 shows a week most on different days |
| [14:43:01] | AndyCap: | remultiplexing is cheaper than re-encoding though if what's inside the container is usable for both |
| [14:43:25] | shortbus: | remultiplexing? thats a new term to me |
| [14:43:49] | shortbus: | AndyCap: thanks for that... i will have to research that |
| [14:44:20] | shortbus: | is this what you mean "ffmpeg -i <filename> -acodec copy -vcodec copy <tmpfilename>" |
| [14:44:26] | shortbus: | ie... remux |
| [14:44:34] | AndyCap: | close enough |
| [14:44:56] | shortbus: | as per the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode at the bottom of the page |
| [14:45:04] | shortbus: | ;-) |
| [14:45:53] | shortbus: | is there an easy way to maybe have mythtranscode do that and change the name in the correct place in the db to point to the new file? |
| [14:46:02] | ** shortbus has his wishing hat on ** | |
| [14:48:37] | shortbus: | ie... mythtranscode --infile /MythTV/tv/1856_20060425200000.mpg --mpeg2 --passthrough --outfile /MythTV/tv/1856_20060425200000.mpeg2 |
| [14:49:11] | shortbus: | would that change the name in the db to point to the new mpeg2 file instead of the original mpg file? |
| [14:51:14] | shortbus: | aah... just looked and saw tht --passthrough is borken |
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| [15:20:04] | wagnerrp: | use their hand to control the tv? |
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| [17:46:17] | fafa88: | how come I can't map the "microsoft" button on my MCE remote (as a usbhid device) in mythfrontend. I can map the other buttons, but when I press the logo button the keymapper doesnt see it. |
| [17:50:47] | [R]: | what does xev say about it? |
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| [18:00:31] | arioch_: | hi everyone |
| [18:01:37] | arioch_: | i have a question. i lost some recordings directories, so now i have several shows that show and noted that the file cannot be found. is there a way to have mythtv re-record those episodes without having to go in and delete them and set-to re-record OK? |
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| [18:21:52] | wagnerrp: | lost the directories? |
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| [18:27:38] | shortbus: | wagnerrp: yes, they just hold up their hand and a cursor appears and can control the volume and lots of other things... think kinect for tv |
| [18:27:54] | wagnerrp: | eew |
| [18:28:00] | shortbus: | not relly |
| [18:28:03] | shortbus: | err |
| [18:28:05] | shortbus: | really |
| [18:28:07] | shortbus: | sheesh |
| [18:28:12] | shortbus: | its an android os |
| [18:28:15] | shortbus: | not M$ |
| [18:28:25] | shortbus: | or a homebrew |
| [18:28:33] | shortbus: | but i doubt that |
| [18:29:07] | shortbus: | http://www.samsung.com/us/2012-smart-tv/#navigation |
| [18:29:30] | wagnerrp: | http://okcancel.com/comic/3.html |
| [18:30:04] | wagnerrp: | im not complaining about microsoft or kinect, im complaining about the whole concept of gesture control |
| [18:30:15] | shortbus: | lol |
| [18:30:17] | wagnerrp: | its a bad idea for mainstream use |
| [18:30:32] | shortbus: | actually it has been pretty good |
| [18:31:02] | shortbus: | there are a few occasions where it falsly recognizes a hand and puts the cursor up |
| [18:31:21] | shortbus: | but other than that it has never changed voume,channel, or anything else |
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| [18:31:52] | shortbus: | what is nice is that it can be used to pause and unpause netflix ;-) |
| [18:32:01] | shortbus: | my 2 year old can operate it |
| [18:32:07] | wagnerrp: | do you have to raise your arm? or can you just fiddle with your wrist and fingers as your arm rests on your couch? |
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| [18:32:32] | shortbus: | raise your arm and put a flat palm to the camera |
| [18:32:42] | shortbus: | usually thats the only thing that will trigger it |
| [18:32:48] | wagnerrp: | takes too long, takes too much effort |
| [18:32:54] | shortbus: | it also has speech recognition |
| [18:33:03] | shortbus: | hello tv power off |
| [18:33:12] | shortbus: | and it shuts down |
| [18:33:30] | wagnerrp: | im not going to greet my tv as a trigger to enable speech recognition |
| [18:33:49] | shortbus: | i think you can change it |
| [18:33:54] | shortbus: | but it works well for us |
| [18:34:05] | shortbus: | words my 2 year old can say |
| [18:34:17] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do speech recognition, it needs to be natural language, and always on, such that it can determine through context whether the command was directed at the tv, or just normal speech |
| [18:34:39] | wagnerrp: | and we dont have anywhere near the processing capability to do that yet |
| [18:34:49] | shortbus: | it is always on, and again i am amazed at how well it does. |
| [18:35:18] | shortbus: | it has never triggered accidentally, mainly because no one ever says "hello tv" |
| [18:35:37] | wagnerrp: | right, because it requires the command trigger before it engages |
| [18:35:51] | shortbus: | the biggest problem with speech recognition is when there is a lot of noise around and it can not filter out everything to hear the "hello tv" |
| [18:35:57] | shortbus: | right |
| [18:36:04] | wagnerrp: | thats no good |
| [18:36:22] | shortbus: | but if you have the "special" remote and its microphone is near it always gets the right information |
| [18:36:37] | shortbus: | no good for you is great for me though ;-) |
| [18:36:58] | shortbus: | i guess that just goes to show that everyone has different needs and opinions on products |
| [18:37:14] | shortbus: | i can not fathom who would use a chromebook |
| [18:37:27] | shortbus: | ;-) |
| [18:38:16] | wagnerrp: | you have a small child, so you're willing to put up with some nuisance to avoid having a small remote that can be used in a destructive fashion |
| [18:38:25] | shortbus: | 2 small children |
| [18:38:29] | shortbus: | 2 and 4 |
| [18:38:48] | shortbus: | and you can say that again! |
| [18:38:51] | shortbus: | ;-) |
| [18:38:51] | wagnerrp: | for general use, i just dont see the current capability of voice and gesture control to replace the speed and simpleness of a remote |
| [18:38:59] | shortbus: | oh no |
| [18:39:03] | shortbus: | never |
| [18:39:05] | shortbus: | well |
| [18:39:14] | shortbus: | maybe in the future |
| [18:39:31] | shortbus: | but by then everything will be a mesh with chips implanted in our brain |
| [18:39:33] | shortbus: | ;-) |
| [18:39:48] | wagnerrp: | as for chromebook, i completely agree with you... excepting certain cases |
| [18:40:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont have a problem with the concept of a PC or laptop acting as a dumb terminal client |
| [18:40:29] | wagnerrp: | i do have a problem with the terminal server being google, or some other organization that is not me |
| [18:40:36] | shortbus: | nanobots creating microcircuitry that will interface us directly with our gadgets |
| [18:40:55] | shortbus: | oh yea, i see its use... just do not see what it gains you over a tablet |
| [18:41:02] | shortbus: | its too little to late |
| [18:41:54] | shortbus: | i guess there is a niche for it |
| [18:41:55] | wagnerrp: | chromebook, tablet, smartphone with "the cloud", its all the same thing |
| [18:42:00] | shortbus: | lol |
| [18:42:04] | wagnerrp: | all these applications that depend on resources outside my control |
| [18:42:14] | shortbus: | and that is why i will not use them |
| [18:42:17] | shortbus: | heh |
| [18:43:12] | shortbus: | i have no problem with other people using the "public cloud" but i am not a consumer of it as i like too much control |
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| [18:43:55] | wagnerrp: | i do have a problem with other people using the "public cloud"... |
| [18:44:10] | shortbus: | why is that? |
| [18:44:11] | wagnerrp: | if the public doesnt know better, than companies wont bother developing solutions that i might want to use |
| [18:44:15] | wagnerrp: | *then |
| [18:44:19] | shortbus: | aah |
| [18:44:32] | shortbus: | yea well... for some people its the best way to go |
| [18:45:00] | wagnerrp: | the best way to go is for those people who cant manage it on their own to opt in |
| [18:45:22] | wagnerrp: | not for people who can to have to find work arounds and "jail breaks" to opt out |
| [18:45:33] | shortbus: | ok |
| [18:45:35] | shortbus: | yes |
| [18:45:39] | shortbus: | i agree with you on that |
| [18:45:43] | shortbus: | 100% |
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| [18:45:51] | shortbus: | it should be an opt in, not an opt out |
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| [18:46:13] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt even need to be opt in, it could be the default behavior |
| [18:46:16] | shortbus: | but then i think people should be able to do whatever they want with their purchased hardware |
| [18:46:32] | wagnerrp: | but it should at least be set up that you dont _have_ to use their server farm, you can supply your own |
| [18:46:59] | wagnerrp: | and you just dont see that outside of things designed for commercial systems |
| [18:47:23] | shortbus: | a lot of enterprise services are that way |
| [18:47:29] | shortbus: | if you have the money for it ;-) |
| [18:47:46] | wagnerrp: | right, only available if you buy a thousand units |
| [18:48:01] | shortbus: | or pay tens of thousands for one |
| [18:48:42] | shortbus: | i got a quote on an emc backup solution that was over $1million USD |
| [18:50:04] | shortbus: | i countered with a linux based glusterfs solution and a deduplication routine run as a cron job running on backblaze pod hardware for less than $40K USD |
| [18:50:39] | shortbus: | http://blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabyte . . . ore-secrets/ |
| [18:50:53] | shortbus: | in case you are not familiar with the backblaze pod design |
| [18:50:55] | wagnerrp: | that backblaze isnt going to be anything like the performance of the EMC solution |
| [18:51:21] | wagnerrp: | and in all honestly, not very robust unless youve got redundant hardware running duplicates |
| [18:51:59] | shortbus: | when its running 10Gbit *2 bonded with redundant everything... it will be damn close |
| [18:52:34] | shortbus: | and it would be a fraction of the cost |
| [18:53:17] | wagnerrp: | the backblaze stuff is only intended for backend archival storage, not a live SAN |
| [18:53:48] | wagnerrp: | which is what you're buying with the EMC solution |
| [18:54:01] | shortbus: | not 100% sure about that... i have not been too impressed with the emc solutions i have bought in the past |
| [18:54:24] | wagnerrp: | the high density archive, layered with SSD and RAM caches for higher speed live access |
| [18:54:55] | shortbus: | they always promise great iops and perfect uptime and reliable multipathing... and it always seems to fall short of what they promise |
| [18:55:31] | wagnerrp: | right, but on the blazebox, everything is bottlenecked behind port expanders |
| [18:55:46] | shortbus: | true |
| [18:55:54] | wagnerrp: | at least the SUN thumper stuff provided a dedicated channel to each drive (at significantly increased cost) |
| [18:56:21] | shortbus: | i was thinking of a way to modify the backblaze to do that exact type of thing |
| [18:56:47] | shortbus: | 1/2 the storage really... but using a true backplane with 1 to 1 port to drive mapping |
| [18:57:05] | wagnerrp: | replace the expanders with straight-through backplanes, use a bunch of SAS controller cards |
| [18:57:11] | shortbus: | exactly |
| [18:57:20] | shortbus: | not hard to modify really |
| [18:57:29] | shortbus: | then you can get some REAL performance |
| [18:57:30] | wagnerrp: | although its easier to do that with multiples of 4, rather than 5 |
| [18:57:53] | wagnerrp: | in fours, you get the multilane cables and cards, in fives, you've got to wire everything up individually |
| [18:58:29] | shortbus: | yep, and you have to give up space for the actual backplane |
| [18:58:45] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [18:58:52] | wagnerrp: | you already have a backplane |
| [18:59:05] | wagnerrp: | you're just now using ones with multiple lanes rather than just one |
| [18:59:19] | shortbus: | depends on the setup you go with |
| [19:00:18] | shortbus: | http://www.chassis-plans.com/backplanes.html |
| [19:00:50] | shortbus: | if your going to use a pci backplane with lots of sas cards or a sata backplane with fewer cards |
| [19:01:21] | wagnerrp: | id still rather go freebsd/zfs, and use smaller parity sets |
| [19:01:39] | shortbus: | hmmm |
| [19:01:43] | shortbus: | thats a possiblity |
| [19:02:34] | wagnerrp: | then just give it a nice big SLC SSD, and that takes care of all your write IOPS concerns, and a good deal of the read concerns |
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| [19:03:01] | shortbus: | i use a lot of fusion io cards |
| [19:03:39] | shortbus: | only problem with them in sometimes when the system crashes they take a lot of time to flush buffers when they come back up |
| [19:03:42] | shortbus: | not horrible |
| [19:03:49] | wagnerrp: | ZFS has what it calls an "L2ARC", which is just a second layer of disk cache intended to exist on some non-volatile storage |
| [19:03:52] | shortbus: | but my hpc solutions have to wait on them at time |
| [19:04:47] | wagnerrp: | its all handled natively, internal to the filesystem, rather than having to program some middleware to handle it for you |
| [19:04:48] | shortbus: | going to have to play with that |
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| [19:04:54] | wagnerrp: | same thing with deduplication |
| [19:05:21] | wagnerrp: | checksumming can detect bitrot, and if you let it handle your parity/mirror sets, it can internally correct for it |
| [19:06:41] | wagnerrp: | stripes are sized to individual files, rather than arbitrarily to 128K or 256K, so you dont have to worry about reading out existing data to calculate parity before writing |
| [19:06:49] | shortbus: | yea, zfs has some cool features... i need to look into using it more |
| [19:06:58] | wagnerrp: | you're only writing over data you're already working on, meaning it's already cached |
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| [19:08:14] | wagnerrp: | thats a lot of PCIe slots.... |
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| [19:09:31] | shortbus: | yep |
| [19:09:40] | shortbus: | add a few of these on it http://www.fusionio.com/products/iodrive-octal/ |
| [19:10:23] | shortbus: | and a few SAS cards that can handle lots of drives and you should be in business for some really high thoughput |
| [19:10:49] | shortbus: | and all for a fraction of the cost of the emc solution |
| [19:11:44] | wagnerrp: | i was more thinking something like this... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118181 |
| [19:11:50] | wagnerrp: | you would only need three |
| [19:12:30] | shortbus: | ie http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents . . . 0-24i4e.aspx |
| [19:12:59] | shortbus: | the one i listed is a 24 port SAS card |
| [19:13:10] | wagnerrp: | nah, much too expensive |
| [19:13:17] | wagnerrp: | you listed a SAS RAID card |
| [19:13:20] | shortbus: | true |
| [19:13:48] | wagnerrp: | like $1500 for one |
| [19:13:59] | wagnerrp: | compared to $400 |
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| [19:14:33] | shortbus: | still you can do individual ports with it |
| [19:15:08] | wagnerrp: | sure, but its a lot more costly, and theres a decent amount of overhead compared to a "dumber" card |
| [19:15:15] | shortbus: | but you are right about that |
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| [19:15:51] | shortbus: | lots of the non raid cards and handle the raid on the os/fs level |
| [19:16:00] | shortbus: | you ever played with gluster fs? |
| [19:16:07] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [19:16:12] | shortbus: | it works very well |
| [19:16:29] | wagnerrp: | cluster i used to play with on campus was just a single file server and NFS |
| [19:16:30] | shortbus: | especially when you have 10Gbit networking |
| [19:16:42] | shortbus: | glusterfs is very nice |
| [19:16:53] | shortbus: | you can stripe files across lots of servers |
| [19:17:05] | shortbus: | distributed, replicated, and striped |
| [19:17:12] | shortbus: | all in one setup |
| [19:17:55] | shortbus: | clients can mount a native glusterfs using a fuse module or it can be mounted as nfsv3 |
| [19:18:31] | wagnerrp: | three of those cards, one of these... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131861 , one of these... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833736004 , and two slots left for the fusionio cards |
| [19:18:46] | shortbus: | http://www.gluster.org/ |
| [19:19:08] | wagnerrp: | although im not sure asus's pedigree as a server manufacturer |
| [19:20:12] | shortbus: | i am sure that you can get a supermicro or tyan with the same setup |
| [19:21:06] | wagnerrp: | i didnt look far, the next closest on newegg was a supermicro and an intel with four 3.0 slots |
| [19:21:18] | wagnerrp: | and they were mostly x4 electrical |
| [19:21:23] | shortbus: | right |
| [19:21:43] | shortbus: | thats the trick in PCIe slots... |
| [19:21:58] | shortbus: | most people just look at the port not what it really can do |
| [19:22:23] | shortbus: | ie... they see its a mechanical 16x but do not look and see its really only an electrical 8x |
| [19:22:30] | shortbus: | or 1x |
| [19:22:35] | shortbus: | heh |
| [19:23:12] | shortbus: | the problem would be the fusionio cards... they are expensive |
| [19:23:39] | wagnerrp: | i recall when the first NF4 SLI boards came out, there was a way you could trick the drivers into running with SLI enabled on any NF4 chipset |
| [19:24:11] | shortbus: | but even at a cost of $30K per box you can buy lots of them for $1M |
| [19:24:20] | wagnerrp: | so you had a bunch of people modding NF4 Ultra boards to run SLI with x16/x1, with roughly 90% the performance the people running NF4 SLI boards at x8/x8 were getting |
| [19:24:28] | shortbus: | lol |
| [19:25:17] | wagnerrp: | and even companies selling Ultra boards with two physical x16 slots, so you wouldnt have to dremel out the notch to fit a larger card |
| [19:26:12] | shortbus: | i have been thinking of using this one... http://www.chassis-plans.com/single-board-com . . . ckplane.html |
| [19:26:30] | shortbus: | only PCIe 2.0 |
| [19:26:40] | shortbus: | but that will work for most cards |
| [19:27:21] | wagnerrp: | well it should work for all cards, just at half the speed |
| [19:27:40] | wagnerrp: | of course how much bandwidth does this thing actually offer back to the host system |
| [19:27:47] | shortbus: | all 20 slots are 16x electrical and mechanical |
| [19:28:06] | shortbus: | it uses an sbc onboard to connect |
| [19:28:09] | shortbus: | it is the system |
| [19:29:04] | shortbus: | they call it a "system host board" |
| [19:29:28] | wagnerrp: | sure, the slots are full speed back to their respective PCIe controllers, but PCIe 2.0 is 500MB/s bidirectional |
| [19:29:44] | wagnerrp: | you're just not going to have 125GB/s available bandwidth to the CPU |
| [19:30:12] | shortbus: | oh ... true |
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| [19:31:15] | shortbus: | http://www.chassis-plans.com/single-board-computer/S6966.htm |
| [19:31:21] | wagnerrp: | at some point, you're just adding more capacity, rather than more bandwidth |
| [19:32:11] | wagnerrp: | ive never personally dealt with those things, but i understand the concept |
| [19:32:33] | wagnerrp: | (backplane systems) |
| [19:33:33] | shortbus: | so they have multiple PCIe edge connectors |
| [19:33:43] | shortbus: | and this one claims ... Intel® Quick Path Interconnect – 4.4GT/s or 5.8GT/s |
| [19:34:11] | shortbus: | saying of course that processor determines speed |
| [19:34:55] | shortbus: | again... this board is expensive |
| [19:35:09] | shortbus: | that is why you do not see it in standard server class systems |
| [19:35:45] | wagnerrp: | well its not expensive, its just uncommon |
| [19:35:48] | wagnerrp: | and volume drives price |
| [19:35:53] | shortbus: | exactly |
| [19:35:54] | shortbus: | yes |
| [19:35:56] | shortbus: | very true |
| [19:37:54] | shortbus: | and you have to find a chassis to support the setup |
| [19:38:00] | shortbus: | and most of those are custom |
| [19:38:59] | shortbus: | ever seen a rackmount, or any other, chassis with 20 slots for expansion, and dont forget the connections for the SBC |
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| [19:44:36] | russell5: | which would you guys prefer core 2 due or core 2 quad for a backend forntend compo used for some transcoding and file server. I jsut upgraded the mobo 2 years ago so am not looking to replace that yet. But is it worth investing in a core2quad right now? |
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| [19:46:07] | Seeker`: | russell5: what is the price difference? |
| [19:46:38] | russell5: | 50–100 |
| [19:47:04] | russell5: | but i am also looking to upgrade my desktop (new mobo cpu and ram) if i do i could move my duo over |
| [19:47:47] | wagnerrp: | hopefully this is not a system that sits next to your tv? |
| [19:48:00] | wagnerrp: | i.e. its in another room with cables running through the walls |
| [19:48:29] | russell5: | no same room |
| [19:48:41] | russell5: | but not right next to it. about 10 feet away |
| [19:49:14] | wagnerrp: | im just concerned this is an awfully loud machine |
| [19:49:53] | russell5: | a little. not really loud but could be better |
| [19:51:02] | wagnerrp: | personally, i would take your old desktop parts, build a new backend system in the basement with the tuners and hard drives, and make your existing machine a dedicated frontend |
| [19:51:27] | wagnerrp: | use the remote to turn it on and off, and let the other machine stay on all the time for server duties |
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| [19:52:55] | russell5: | yeah that was my plan for sometime in the future. part of that problem is i dont have a basement. so not many places to hide it away |
| [19:55:40] | shortbus: | russell5: use a closet |
| [19:55:58] | shortbus: | just make sure you get enough airflow in and out of it |
| [19:56:00] | wagnerrp: | attic? crawl space? |
| [19:56:49] | shortbus: | just put a register or two in the walls for air flow and a closet it fine |
| [19:57:26] | russell5: | yeah attic could work. |
| [19:57:34] | shortbus: | if your industrious you can put a return air in the closet |
| [19:58:09] | shortbus: | couldnt use an attic here... too hot |
| [19:59:28] | russell5: | yeah hot here in the summer |
| [19:59:32] | shortbus: | attics routinely get over 130 F here... sometimes up over 150 |
| [19:59:59] | shortbus: | when it is 110 outside, its usually very hot in the attic |
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| [20:04:02] | shortbus: | in my old house i used a closet, ran a dedicated circuit and put in a return air vent then put all my equipment in there and put a register at the bottom outside of the closet. i put in a stand so the computers were not on the carpet and that helped a bit with wiring. in my new house (just moved in) I have it in a closet, but have not finished setting it up yet, so i leave the door open |
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| [20:04:35] | wagnerrp: | if its regularly that temperature in the summer, ever consider hiring a drilling crew to lay coolant lines? |
| [20:04:49] | wagnerrp: | drill a couple deep wells, drop copper piping down it, fill it back up |
| [20:04:51] | shortbus: | lol |
| [20:04:55] | shortbus: | yes i have |
| [20:04:58] | wagnerrp: | use that as the heat exchanger instead of your AC |
| [20:05:03] | shortbus: | i actually have priced it out |
| [20:05:08] | wagnerrp: | well... for the AC |
| [20:05:35] | shortbus: | that is an industry that is just really starting to happen here... the problem here is that its all solid limestone |
| [20:05:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I trust you're keeping safe? D'oh! |
| [20:05:55] | wagnerrp: | yuck |
| [20:05:58] | shortbus: | so its very expensive to drill/cut etc... |
| [20:06:12] | shortbus: | no basements ;-) |
| [20:06:26] | shortbus: | it would cost more for a basement than it would to build a house |
| [20:06:31] | shortbus: | or close to it |
| [20:06:42] | wagnerrp: | open a quarry... :P |
| [20:06:47] | shortbus: | lol |
| [20:06:53] | shortbus: | a friend of mine has one |
| [20:07:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Buy a house with a large in-ground pool and build a new house on top of it. ;-) |
| [20:07:03] | shortbus: | well... her family owns it |
| [20:07:06] | shortbus: | she is a part owner |
| [20:07:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | then drain it and finish it as a basement. ;-) |
| [20:07:32] | shortbus: | she wants to know what to do with the mines when they close the quarry |
| [20:07:37] | shortbus: | i told her to build a datacenter |
| [20:07:54] | wagnerrp: | or climate controlled warehouse |
| [20:07:59] | shortbus: | yea |
| [20:08:04] | shortbus: | or grow mushrooms |
| [20:08:09] | wagnerrp: | theres a couple of those on the east cost in old salt mines |
| [20:08:15] | shortbus: | yep |
| [20:08:22] | wagnerrp: | or pot |
| [20:08:25] | shortbus: | perfect temp all year round |
| [20:08:28] | wagnerrp: | theres a couple of those here in kentucky |
| [20:09:02] | shortbus: | just have to build a water tight room for storing the servers, and control humidity |
| [20:09:24] | shortbus: | not really water tight... just so it does not get the stuff too wet |
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| [20:10:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Or do what I've seen done in KS – the 'basement' is above ground, and the house on top of it, and the ground is built up around the house, so the house is basically on a small hill... |
| [20:10:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the salt mines are naturally desiccated |
| [20:10:42] | shortbus: | J-e-f-f-A: LOL... thats hill-arious |
| [20:10:44] | shortbus: | sorry |
| [20:10:47] | shortbus: | couldnt resist |
| [20:10:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehehe |
| [20:10:56] | wagnerrp: | there was some tunnel network in kentucky nearly finished, intended for pot growing, when it was seized by the DEA |
| [20:11:10] | wagnerrp: | got bought by some cheese company that uses it for long term aging |
| [20:11:10] | shortbus: | hahaha |
| [20:11:17] | shortbus: | sure |
| [20:12:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | shortbus: I grew up in New England... nearly every house has a basement up here... But then again, we have these things called HILLS up here. ;-) I can dig a hole 10' deep and water won't gather in it for days, if at all... |
| [20:14:13] | wagnerrp: | i grew up in the ohio river valley... nearly every house has a basement here too... but then again, we have this nasty shit called clay, they like to use it to make waterproof pottery |
| [20:14:23] | wagnerrp: | god i hate that stuff |
| [20:14:34] | wagnerrp: | you dig 4" deep, and youre either going to hit a rock, or clay |
| [20:15:42] | wagnerrp: | dig a hole, and water wont gather in it for days... unless it rains, and then you're never going to get it dry |
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| [20:45:48] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: hehe, yeah, Isaac seems to be no problem here--just a bit rainy/overcast |
| [20:46:16] | sphery: | we even got to play our Sunday morning beach volleyball--with just a little bit of occasional rain |
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| [23:43:02] | tgm4883: | Is anyone else having tuning issues with the HDHomerun prime using the latest 0.26 builds? |
| [23:43:27] | tgm4883: | I'm getting ERROR: invalid virtual channel |
| [23:43:33] | tgm4883: | when trying to schedule anything |
| [23:47:00] | tgm4883: | Worth noting that the silicondust utility can still tune channels in VLC |
| [23:50:18] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [23:51:00] | tgm4883: | Odd, so I power cycled my HDHR Prime, and it seems back to normal. Weird that I could tune stuff with the HDHR config utility and not MythTV though |
| [23:51:02] | tgm4883: | carry on |
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