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| [00:06:18] | desto: | darn. |
| [00:06:57] | desto: | two simultanious recordings .. mythtv claimed both were recording .. reported no errors .. but didnt record one of the programs :( |
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| [00:40:18] | lwizardl: | hello |
| [00:41:05] | sphery: | tgm4883: hehe, could probably say I am, too |
| [00:41:52] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: ive been told i am |
| [00:44:13] | wagnerrp: | pretty much every time a virtualization topic comes up too |
| [00:52:58] | tgm4883: | sphery, ok, now I have to add your "record all new series" rule |
| [00:53:05] | tgm4883: | is that documented anywhere? |
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| [00:57:11] | dj_segfault: | Hi. I just had a server crash. I was running Ubuntu 10.04 with I think MythTV 0.23. I need to decide whether I need to set up another Ubuntu 10.04 and try to get it up and running again, or if I can run a new version of Ubuntu and the latest MythTV. If I try to do that, is there a way to import all my settings and recordings from 0.23 to 0.25? |
| [00:57:48] | wagnerrp: | keep your database, keep your recordings in the same place they were, and run mythtv-setup |
| [00:57:58] | wagnerrp: | it will upgrade that needs to be upgraded in your database |
| [00:58:24] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you want that database to be an ascii dump |
| [00:58:27] | wagnerrp: | not a binary copy |
| [00:59:21] | dj_segfault: | Wait. Do you mean install MythTV fresh, then dump the old database and load it into the new, and when I run mythtv-setup, it will udpate the schema? |
| [00:59:48] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not manage your database, mysql does |
| [01:00:00] | wagnerrp: | when you say your server crashed, your hard drive is dead? |
| [01:00:47] | dj_segfault: | No hard drive is perfectly readable. The computer won't boot, and I'm not sure why. I think its my ancient motherboard. |
| [01:01:33] | wagnerrp: | stick the hard drive in a new system, boot it up, use mythtv's backup and recovery tools to make a dump of your database |
| [01:01:48] | wagnerrp: | then set your new computer up however you want |
| [01:01:51] | wagnerrp: | import the dump |
| [01:01:58] | wagnerrp: | place the old recordings in the same paths they were before |
| [01:02:09] | wagnerrp: | and run mythtv-setup to perform the schema update |
| [01:02:24] | dj_segfault: | wagnerrp: What I meant is, I assume there were changes in the DB between 0.23 and 0.25. Is that the case? Assuming there were, then I assume your previous statement meant that when I run mythtv-setup then it will make any changes needed to the imported data to bring it up to 0.25 |
| [01:02:35] | wagnerrp: | that is correct |
| [01:02:47] | wagnerrp: | mythtv 0.25 will update any database 0.22 or newer up to current |
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| [01:04:02] | dj_segfault: | Excellent. Thanks. Can I use mysqldump to dump the database and mysql to set up the database again instead of using MythTV backup and recovery? That way I don't need to get the old instance working again, which could save me hours |
| [01:04:53] | wagnerrp: | ideally you want to perform the dump using the same version of mysql that previously ran the database |
| [01:05:20] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you're talking about an ill advised binary upgrade of the database format |
| [01:05:32] | wagnerrp: | which may work, or may not work |
| [01:05:41] | dj_segfault: | Ah, that's why you recommend ASCII dump. |
| [01:06:03] | wagnerrp: | as for mythtv's backup and restore scripts, they're nothing more than Perl scripts |
| [01:06:06] | dj_segfault: | I might be able to install the databases on another 10.04 system |
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| [01:06:22] | dj_segfault: | OH, so it doesn't even need to be up and running. Gret. |
| [01:06:23] | wagnerrp: | 32-bit vs. 64-bit is very important |
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| [01:06:45] | wagnerrp: | a binary copy between versions is bad |
| [01:06:52] | wagnerrp: | a binary copy between architectures is usually fatal |
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| [01:07:33] | dj_segfault: | I can probably get the databases onto a 32 bit 10.04 system and do an ASCII dump. That should import fine on a 64-bit system, right? |
| [01:07:53] | wagnerrp: | if its a dump, it should import anywhere without a proble |
| [01:07:54] | wagnerrp: | m |
| [01:08:10] | dj_segfault: | Excellent. You've been very helpful. Thanks |
| [01:08:52] | dj_segfault: | One last question: Is there a process for moving a recording or recordings from one drive to another, updating the database? I might need this to consolidate drives. |
| [01:09:22] | wagnerrp: | as long as the recordings are in a directory defined for that storage group for that host, mythtv will find them |
| [01:09:57] | wagnerrp: | mythtv only stores the filename, all recordings are made to the root of the storage group path, and mythtv will search through all available directories for the file |
| [01:10:09] | dj_segfault: | Sweet. Thanks. |
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| [01:11:26] | dj_segfault: | Thanks again. Really glad there's people like you here. I can help a lot of people in other areas, but I'm not a MythTV expert. I figure I'll install the latest stable and upgrade when the new version is released. I don't need to fight too many problems at the same time ;) |
| [01:12:42] | sphery: | technically, you can even move the recording to a directory defined for a different storage group--it just has to stay on the same host |
| [01:13:04] | wagnerrp: | something i how to have changed in 0.27 |
| [01:13:07] | wagnerrp: | *hope |
| [01:13:27] | sphery: | that shouldn't change for finding recordings |
| [01:13:36] | sphery: | we should play the recording, regardless of which dir it's in |
| [01:13:44] | wagnerrp: | and the host? |
| [01:13:48] | sphery: | oh, that part |
| [01:13:52] | sphery: | that would be great to change |
| [01:14:05] | sphery: | and, yeah, it's been on my list too |
| [01:14:08] | wagnerrp: | part of the intent of the global file scanner |
| [01:14:10] | sphery: | just haven't done much |
| [01:14:21] | wagnerrp: | scan everything, and sort it out later |
| [01:14:32] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to just the video paths |
| [01:15:16] | sphery: | yeah, good approach--coupled with the "keep info about all file systems visible on each mythfrontend/mythbackend" so we can also figure out the most efficient way to get the recording from disk to screen |
| [01:15:50] | ** sphery should really update that schema with the requested changes and start working on that ** | |
| [01:16:02] | sphery: | seems every time I have some time to work on MythTV, anymore, we're in a freeze |
| [01:16:16] | wagnerrp: | well i plan on getting the scanner in shortly after the freeze is up |
| [01:16:33] | wagnerrp: | and then working it into the various areas slowly |
| [01:16:36] | sphery: | but since I'm not actually getting anything else done, I should just work on my big projects and hold the pushes 'til later |
| [01:16:50] | wagnerrp: | shove it into a new branch |
| [01:16:54] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:16:57] | wagnerrp: | merge the branch later |
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| [01:17:16] | sphery: | the new schema will go into a new branch, no matter what, so ... |
| [01:18:41] | sphery: | so, btw, I didn't know that you could stream the copy once to extenders... I thought the recording was the one copy allowed--and didn't realize WMC/extenders actually do whatever the encryption is for ethernet transfer |
| [01:19:01] | sphery: | DTCP, it seems |
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| [01:20:15] | sphery: | anyway, guess either way the end result is the same--can't use copy once with mythtv |
| [01:20:27] | dj_segfault: | Is there a way to run the web interface on another port? Or even another computer completely that has access to the same database? |
| [01:20:29] | wagnerrp: | extenders? yes... other PCs? no |
| [01:20:45] | wagnerrp: | the web interface is built into mythbackend |
| [01:20:52] | wagnerrp: | so you can run it on another port, but not another PC |
| [01:20:57] | wagnerrp: | unless you're talking about mythweb |
| [01:21:03] | wagnerrp: | which which case its all up to apache |
| [01:21:14] | sphery: | and you don't want to change the backend port--it will almost definitely break things |
| [01:21:25] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt... |
| [01:21:26] | sphery: | (one of those, "why is this a setting since we never test changing it" kind of things) |
| [01:21:41] | sphery: | right, shouldn't |
| [01:21:41] | wagnerrp: | unless you do something stupid like change the backend port to 3306, or the database port to 6543 |
| [01:21:46] | sphery: | but who tests that? |
| [01:21:53] | sphery: | I'll bet it /will/ break all sorts of stuff in mythweb |
| [01:21:59] | dj_segfault: | I'm talking about the web interface I can hit with my browser to see upcoming recordings, listings, etc. |
| [01:22:02] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt |
| [01:22:05] | sphery: | possibly stuff in mythfrontend (like channel icons or previews or ...) |
| [01:22:20] | wagnerrp: | everything in mythfrontend gets routed through mythcorecontext |
| [01:22:26] | sphery: | there's too much code written by too many people who don't even remember all the things that can be changed |
| [01:22:30] | wagnerrp: | which all properly uses the port from the database |
| [01:22:46] | dj_segfault: | If I want to run MythTV on a different box from my normal web server I need a different port so I can get to one or the other |
| [01:22:48] | wagnerrp: | everything in mythweb gets routed through the php bindings (or perl bindings) and should be the same |
| [01:23:11] | wagnerrp: | only if you want both machines accessible on a single internet IP |
| [01:23:13] | sphery: | well, I'm just saying "shouldn't" pretty much describes: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/report/1 |
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| [01:23:39] | wagnerrp: | mythtv's own internal web server runs on 6544 |
| [01:23:42] | sphery: | i.e. we have a /lot/ of stuff that's broken on "sane" configurations, so when people change things that probably don't need changing |
| [01:23:47] | wagnerrp: | apache typically runs on port 80 |
| [01:23:51] | sphery: | I'd guess it will break other things |
| [01:24:43] | sphery: | dj_segfault: sounds like you're talking about mythweb... mythweb is an application hosted inside apache httpd, so configure httpd on any desired port |
| [01:24:51] | sphery: | then mythweb uses that port |
| [01:25:23] | dj_segfault: | OK, let me start over. In my new network setup I have a router that can do port forwarding. that means if I want to run my apache server on a different box from MythTV, the web interface (and again to clarify I'm talking about the human web interface to schedule recordings, etc) needs to run on a different port, so I can tell the router that the alternate port should go to the MythTV box. |
| [01:25:53] | sphery: | I run my external web server on port 80 |
| [01:25:55] | dj_segfault: | Oh, OK, so you're saying it's just running in Apache, so I just configure Apache |
| [01:26:09] | wagnerrp: | correct, mythweb is a PHP application running in apache |
| [01:26:13] | dj_segfault: | That apache server needs to be running on the same box though, right? |
| [01:26:18] | sphery: | then I set up apache to forward to port 80 of the host that's running mythweb |
| [01:26:47] | sphery: | using ProxyPass/ProxyPassReverse |
| [01:26:57] | dj_segfault: | OOOOOOOOOOOOhhhh even better! |
| [01:27:19] | dj_segfault: | Have the main apache server pass through to the MythTV apache server |
| [01:27:24] | dj_segfault: | Good idea. Thanks. |
| [01:27:26] | sphery: | right |
| [01:27:58] | sphery: | and you can specify a location or a virtual host for it, as desired, using all of apache's configurability |
| [01:27:59] | wagnerrp: | multiple apache servers? |
| [01:28:07] | kisak: | last time I tried that the apache config stung me pretty badly |
| [01:28:34] | sphery: | Only reason I won't show you mine is because I'm not an Apache admin--so it may not be right :) |
| [01:28:37] | wagnerrp: | only time ive used a proxypass is when pointing at some other server application, or something like a wireless AP |
| [01:28:45] | sphery: | but it was pretty straightforward to set up |
| [01:29:15] | dj_segfault: | Apache config I can deal with. |
| [01:29:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, running apache server for the home web server on one system, but running a separate apache server on a mythtv-only host |
| [01:29:47] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
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| [01:30:28] | kisak: | I needed to push a website test VM to my main website, and it did it to a limited effect |
| [01:30:43] | sphery: | mainly because I don't want any mythtv garbage on my other server |
| [01:30:45] | dj_segfault: | wagnerrp: The idea is I do a lot of stuff on my apache server. Up until the crash everything was running on one box. I would now like to move my main apache server to another box. |
| [01:30:58] | sphery: | I don't want to have to install php bindings on a non-mythtv system |
| [01:31:10] | sphery: | It's all about physicalization |
| [01:31:24] | dj_segfault: | Some sysadmins consider PHP and Java security problems |
| [01:31:29] | sphery: | and, besides, we all know that computers can't run more than one program at a time |
| [01:31:44] | sphery: | (for that you need multiple hosts--either physical or virtual) |
| [01:32:22] | dj_segfault: | Up until the crash, I was running postfix, dovecot, apache mythtv, mailman, subversion, FosWiki, phpwiki, and ftp all on the same server |
| [01:32:48] | dj_segfault: | This crash is making me change my mind on that strategy, |
| [01:33:07] | kisak: | my lame do-everything server has been faking all this time, I should go beat it in the back room for it's insulence |
| [01:33:07] | sphery: | I'd guess those 2 wikis starting fighting about which was better and caused the crash |
| [01:34:07] | sphery: | I had an interesting "crash" when I was in DC for a week... could get to my gateway, but my entire network as invisible--no link, even, on my internal NIC |
| [01:34:35] | sphery: | got home and the switch was dead--no lights... went to swap it out and thought, "I wonder what cycling the power would do," and it worked fine |
| [01:34:59] | sphery: | guess it was a weird power blip that confused it? |
| [01:35:12] | wagnerrp: | what brand? |
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| [01:35:46] | kisak: | hopefully there isn't a magic packet that cripples it |
| [01:35:51] | sphery: | D-Link DGS-2208 |
| [01:35:59] | wagnerrp: | never used a dlink |
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| [01:36:14] | wagnerrp: | i know netgear has some braindead STP implementation that will thrash whole networks |
| [01:36:31] | wagnerrp: | it "infects" other netgear switches it is connected with |
| [01:36:39] | sphery: | ah, it's a "dlink green" item--perhaps that was its being green... it just shut down for a week to cut back on carbon footprint by using less power |
| [01:36:50] | sphery: | wow |
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| [01:37:15] | wagnerrp: | we would have to shut down every single switch on the network simultaneously |
| [01:37:19] | wagnerrp: | and then bring them all back on |
| [01:37:35] | wagnerrp: | if but one was left active, it would corrupt the rest of them as they linked in |
| [01:38:01] | ** sphery pictures a group of people ready to turn their keys and throw the switch all at the same time ** | |
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| [01:38:14] | wagnerrp: | well by simultaneously |
| [01:38:20] | wagnerrp: | i mean they all had to be turned off |
| [01:38:23] | wagnerrp: | before any were turned on |
| [01:38:39] | sphery: | yeah, just seems more dramatic if it's like an '80s cold-war movie scene |
| [01:39:08] | tgm4883: | sphery, is your "record all new series" a power rule? |
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| [01:39:58] | sphery: | inactive power rule to find premieres, then at appropriate times each year, I create new "all episodes/any channel" rules for each one that's highlighted |
| [01:40:14] | sphery: | but even the power rule doesn't find all of them, so I do check New Titles occasionally |
| [01:40:41] | sphery: | it's getting more challenging, though, since some networks are actually airing new series at strange times |
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| [01:40:48] | lwizardl: | hello |
| [01:41:16] | sphery: | used to be fall season start, midseason, and spring season end/summer season start that I had to watch for them |
| [01:41:19] | wagnerrp: | do a weekly perl script that runs its own query, and determines if there are any new premiers |
| [01:41:32] | sphery: | now they tend to come around about any time |
| [01:41:33] | wagnerrp: | get real fancy and have it automatically generate rules for those premiers |
| [01:41:51] | wagnerrp: | or just have it email you a report |
| [01:41:53] | lwizardl: | wasn't there a web site that would tell you all the channels you can get from your zipcode and provide? |
| [01:42:01] | wagnerrp: | tvfool.com |
| [01:42:06] | wagnerrp: | antennaweb.org |
| [01:42:08] | sphery: | I'd probably do it in python with the python bindings--just so I know it's written properly |
| [01:42:10] | wagnerrp: | theres a few of them |
| [01:42:23] | sphery: | because after I showed it to you, you'd rewrite it correctly :) |
| [01:42:44] | wagnerrp: | brb |
| [01:43:34] | lwizardl: | the one i was looking for again would tell you which your local provider used. for like qam256 etc. had image grabs from channels displayed |
| [01:43:57] | sphery: | you're thinking of the silicondust website |
| [01:44:00] | sphery: | not sure where it's at |
| [01:44:16] | sphery: | or if it's still available/meant to be used by "outsiders" |
| [01:44:25] | lwizardl: | ah ok |
| [01:44:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, after the last big writers strike, I saw several new articles about networks starting to stagger series premiers throughout the year to minimize the impact of another strike. plus, with DVRs, they know that some of us don't watch a season of a show for months after they're in summer/winter/etc. hiatus. :) |
| [01:45:02] | lwizardl: | that would be the correct one then. i remember using it from a guide online |
| [01:45:05] | lwizardl: | before |
| [01:45:06] | sphery: | hehe, that makes sense |
| [01:45:16] | sphery: | but it does make it more work to find the new series |
| [01:45:38] | sphery: | lwizardl: if you can find the link in archives or something, I'm sure it's fine to try it out |
| [01:45:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | we record quite a few shows that start their seasons while everyone else is ending theirs. |
| [01:45:55] | sphery: | if they no longer support it, they should have a page saying so |
| [01:45:58] | lwizardl: | sphery, found it |
| [01:46:02] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:46:31] | lwizardl: | seems my local comcast uses qam256 |
| [01:46:58] | sphery: | tgm4883: anyway, I just go into MythWeb Upcoming Recordings and look for the inactive episodes once every couple of weeks, then make new rules for them |
| [01:47:25] | sphery: | takes 2 minutes once every 2 weeks, so not /that/ much effort--and usually a nice distraction from something I'm supposed to be doing |
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| [01:47:48] | lwizardl: | okay now to find out how to configure my card correctly |
| [01:48:25] | wagnerrp: | nearly everyone uses qam256 these days |
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| [01:48:38] | wagnerrp: | its rare to hear someone running qam64 or 8vsb on a cable system |
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| [01:49:21] | lwizardl: | when i do scans i find no channels |
| [01:49:40] | wagnerrp: | you should find at least the local broadcast channels |
| [01:50:07] | lwizardl: | for comcast is the proper setting cable/cable high/cable hrc high, orcable irc high ? |
| [01:50:25] | sphery: | never do a "high-only" scan |
| [01:50:25] | wagnerrp: | scan full cable, regular cable (not hrc or irc) |
| [01:50:28] | russk: | I use mythfrontend on my desktop gentoo, separate hdmi screen for convenience . How come chrome browser on my main desktop screen messes with audio volume? |
| [01:50:31] | lwizardl: | it finds 0, am im sure its my fault on not having something correct |
| [01:50:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do any of the cable companies still use HRC or IRC? |
| [01:50:53] | wagnerrp: | russk: probably because youre passing your audio through pulseaudio |
| [01:50:53] | sphery: | or did they all switch to "standard"? |
| [01:50:54] | wagnerrp: | dont do that |
| [01:51:19] | lwizardl: | http://s14.postimage.org/j2qyoou4h/Screenshot . . . 21_33_43.png |
| [01:51:19] | russk: | wagnerrp: Yes pulseaudio. very annoying |
| [01:51:27] | lwizardl: | http://s14.postimage.org/k3r7dtb41/Screenshot . . . 21_35_49.png |
| [01:52:01] | russk: | wagnerrp: is pulseaudio in my mythfrontend setup for audio? |
| [01:52:07] | sphery: | lwizardl: generally, IME, the default timeouts are /way/ too low--and should be more like 3000/5500 for signal/tuning |
| [01:52:25] | wagnerrp: | if chrome is changing mythtv's volume, it must be |
| [01:52:38] | russk: | thanks i'll poke around |
| [01:52:49] | wagnerrp: | if you were using ALSA directly, rather than passing through pulseaudio |
| [01:52:57] | wagnerrp: | you would be doing direct passthrough audio |
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| [01:53:08] | sphery: | lwizardl: that being in your capture card setup |
| [01:53:10] | wagnerrp: | only mythtv would be able to play sound on the tv while active |
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| [01:53:17] | wagnerrp: | and nothing on your PC would change the volume level |
| [01:53:30] | lwizardl: | sphery, yeah thats my images |
| [01:53:41] | russk: | i'm not using the hdmi audio on the TV, my sound setup is better |
| [01:53:48] | sphery: | right, just saying to change the timeouts in capture card setup |
| [01:53:58] | lwizardl: | k i'll try that |
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| [01:54:56] | skd5aner: | !seen bill6502 |
| [01:54:56] | MythLogBot: | bill6502 was last seen 22 hours 42 minutes 45 seconds ago |
| [01:55:32] | lwizardl: | ok just changed those |
| [01:57:54] | tgm4883: | sphery, what if we could gather metadata for everything in the upcoming guide data? |
| [01:58:06] | wagnerrp: | we would piss off thetvdb.com |
| [01:58:16] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, well thats no fun |
| [01:58:31] | wagnerrp: | although at the moment, were just a pittance compared to xbmc |
| [01:58:44] | tgm4883: | although I suppose pulling start date of a series would be much less data |
| [01:59:07] | tgm4883: | they apparently list stuff that is upcoming http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=261272&lid=7 |
| [01:59:17] | wagnerrp: | actually, our ttvdb.py grabber pulls everything about a whole series in one shot |
| [01:59:30] | wagnerrp: | and then caches it for a brief period |
| [01:59:35] | skd5aner: | hmmmm, I wish bill was around, he's the guy who is trying to maintain the current release notes for this release correct |
| [01:59:35] | skd5aner: | ? |
| [02:00:17] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I want to say that is a lot of work just to see new premiers, but the data doesn't seem to be available from SD |
| [02:00:36] | tgm4883: | s/new premiers/new series/ |
| [02:00:39] | wagnerrp: | thats simply how the data was available at the time the script was written |
| [02:00:59] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, right, i meant pulling stuff for all upcoming shows |
| [02:01:56] | wagnerrp: | if you check their API, they may have something that lists new series |
| [02:02:04] | tgm4883: | I'll take a look |
| [02:02:14] | tgm4883: | it wasn't in their search results |
| [02:02:46] | lwizardl: | does this look right ? http://pastebin.com/ENuLX2kn |
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| [02:06:57] | lwizardl: | back |
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| [02:15:03] | tgm4883: | sphery, i'm not finding anything specifically for premiers, are you just doing first episode? |
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| [02:30:54] | bill6502: | skd5aner: Did you have a question(s) for me? I do have some update off line that I'll add when the rc is announced. |
| [02:31:29] | skd5aner: | bill6502: heh – If you'd like to read the backlog in the dev channel please feel free |
| [02:31:56] | skd5aner: | I just some thoughts on the release notes, but ultimately don't want to step on your toes since you've been running with it this cycle |
| [02:34:16] | bill6502: | skd5aner: Are you referring to the dumbing down issue? |
| [02:35:19] | skd5aner: | heh – yea, just making it a bit more "user friendly" so to speak |
| [02:35:24] | skd5aner: | no offense intended :) |
| [02:35:55] | skd5aner: | and I'm only referring to the "key new features" and "major changes" sections |
| [02:37:04] | bill6502: | Understood. Truth be told I did in 2 days what you have done in months, so most of the text is straight out of the commit subject line. Personally, I thing the Special Notices & Instructions section is |
| [02:37:06] | skd5aner: | was thinking of making some changes to it myself, but not sure I'll find the time |
| [02:37:41] | skd5aner: | bill6502: yea, I think this release has a lot of important things that people need to know about – like the mysql time zone stuff |
| [02:37:54] | bill6502: | the most critical. But I've seen you're clearly a better wordsmith than I am. |
| [02:37:56] | skd5aner: | bill6502: yea, you're a machine :) |
| [02:39:13] | skd5aner: | heh – no worries, I think that's because I've always thought that the MythTV project kinda lacked in the marketing department, so I always saw the release notes as a way to share all the best things that happen during development directly to the users at a level anyone can understand (and why it matters) |
| [02:39:22] | skd5aner: | so, that's probably why they came off that way in the past |
| [02:40:40] | skd5aner: | I'm always changing my mind on how to convey the release notes every release... I try to stay consistent for an entire release, then make format changes at the next release :) |
| [02:40:58] | skd5aner: | anyway – good job! |
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| [02:43:02] | bill6502: | I'm reviewing the Special Notices & Instructions and I think that's OK (has the time zone note and link to a web page.) Major Changes: ZeroMQ comment may be foreign to folks (it was to me) and I had a question on the talk page about it so I changed it (removed a link to the ZeroMQ web page.) |
| [02:44:34] | skd5aner: | on "key new features" I was almost consindering removing: Add rsOtherTuning and rsOtherRecording recording statuses [090f847] Added TOGGLESHUFFLE/TOGGLEREPEAT keybindings [fa9edd6] |
| [02:44:34] | skd5aner: | --parse-video-filename for mythutil [1debfc6] |
| [02:45:00] | skd5aner: | For the most part, not sure those really matter... I mean, I'm definitely not going to upgrade to mythtv because of those things |
| [02:45:18] | skd5aner: | I try to think of that section as "wow – MythTV can do /that/ now?!?" |
| [02:45:39] | lwizardl: | anyone in michigan ? |
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| [02:49:42] | bill6502: | skd5aner: Point taken about Key New Features. The rsOtherTuning and rsOtherRecording is gigem's work and I'll be asking him another question on the dev channel (one of his fixes works on Steppes only and originally I pointed to the wrong one, I just haven't updated figured out the proper commit to cite. |
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| [02:51:01] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: with ideatorrent more or less abandoned, ever find an alternative? |
| [02:51:04] | skd5aner: | It's funny, because there's a ton of great work that goes in under the covers every dev cycle that makes MythTV as great as it is (and better than it was), but for the most part, 80% of them aren't aren't directly noticable by a user |
| [02:51:30] | skd5aner: | that's why in the past, some devs had a large percentage of changes reflected in the notes, and others had very litte |
| [02:52:36] | skd5aner: | that's why I gave up tracking MythUI changes, for the most part, because although it allowed a lot of cool stuff to happen, the changes themselves weren't the "cool stuff" :) |
| [02:54:18] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: funny you mention that – I actually inherited an ideatorrent deployment at work last year as the app owner – lots of custom development, and so I kind of put the blinders on for a while |
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| [02:54:55] | skd5aner: | but yea, I was looking at a lot of the hosted solutions out there (or, as they brand them now – cloud based solutions) |
| [02:55:08] | wagnerrp: | development of some separate similar program? or an instance of ideatorrent your company was running internally? |
| [02:55:10] | skd5aner: | rather than a self-hosted option |
| [02:55:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: the latter |
| [02:55:40] | wagnerrp: | if you think it would be fine, even unmaintained... |
| [02:55:55] | skd5aner: | pure coincidence, btw, that I inherited it even though I had been researching platforms for myth about a year before that |
| [02:55:58] | wagnerrp: | although i have to say, with limited experience trying to deal with it, im not particularly enamored with drupal |
| [02:56:37] | bill6502: | skd5aner: How 'bout this. I'll do my next update when I see the RC tag go in. If you feel the urge to update something, feel free. Or you can PM me at keemllib (I'm a gmail user.) And a 15 month belated congratulations on your new MythTV user. |
| [02:56:45] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, my biggest complaint is that it's built on an older version of drupal and is built to use postgresql out-of-the-box :/ |
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| [02:57:51] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: we pretty much leveraged it in such a way that you never knew it was running on top of dripal, but at least could leverage the framework for user management, permissions, email, etc |
| [02:59:03] | wagnerrp: | not sure about the other devs, but im not too keen on a hosted service |
| [02:59:31] | wagnerrp: | could very well be my problem getting it running was i had too new a version of drupal |
| [02:59:46] | wagnerrp: | i would be at all surprised by that |
| [02:59:49] | wagnerrp: | *wouldnt |
| [02:59:54] | skd5aner: | bill6502: well, thank you very much! Needless to say, the children's DVD iso's are getting significant utilization every morning via MythTV – she'll grow up not knowing there was a different way to watch TV |
| [03:00:38] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, it has to run on a very specific sub-release even on drupal 6 I believe (don't remeber the "dot" release off the top of my head) |
| [03:01:03] | wagnerrp: | that rather defaults the whole purpose of a shared framework |
| [03:01:07] | wagnerrp: | *defeats |
| [03:01:12] | skd5aner: | yea :/ |
| [03:01:44] | skd5aner: | I wish ubuntu would just step up and release all their updates |
| [03:01:53] | skd5aner: | (and become the maintainers) |
| [03:02:10] | wagnerrp: | yikes, someone having deadlock problems with a 2.6.26 system |
| [03:02:17] | wagnerrp: | what is that, 2008? |
| [03:02:17] | skd5aner: | I looked at a couple of other FOSS options, but they too had very little activity, or were very feature-lacking |
| [03:02:35] | skd5aner: | Best Buy created one they released, it's on github |
| [03:02:44] | wagnerrp: | i just found that one a couple minutes ago |
| [03:03:18] | skd5aner: | but very sporadic updates, and I think I checked about 4 months ago and I don't think they run the app anymore, or at least not in the same way the did a year ago |
| [03:03:26] | skd5aner: | BBYX or something like that? |
| [03:03:50] | skd5aner: | I think it might have been a ruby on rails if I remember correctly? if not, that was a different one I was looking at |
| [03:05:10] | wagnerrp: | thats the one |
| [03:05:27] | skd5aner: | There was a hosted option that about 3 years ago gave away their enterprise offering to FOSS projects for free, but when I reached out about 15 months ago they stopped doing that so it wasn't worth it anymore |
| [03:06:28] | skd5aner: | xris and I briefly looked at testing out the BBYX one, but he had some minor reservations on the pre-reqs and version requirements – not sure if that's a moot point now because it was before all the server migration stuff started |
| [03:06:52] | skd5aner: | but, last time I checked, it almost seemed like abandonware too :/ |
| [03:08:57] | xris: | that's the problem with most of those. |
| [03:09:21] | xris: | either required postgres (we don't want to maintain multiple DBs on the web server), or looked abandoned |
| [03:09:32] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: as with everything, it's something I'd deffinitely like to help out with and lead if I could, but right now I honestly have reached my limit – so it's been definitely shifted to the back burner :/ |
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| [03:09:48] | wagnerrp: | completely understandable |
| [03:12:38] | skd5aner: | I still think that ideatorrent fires on most cylinders, in terms of features and functionality, specifically on meeting the most requirements – even with the knowledge that you're "on your own" basically – all the other ones seemed lacking in comparison |
| [03:12:59] | skd5aner: | and the majority of the "free" hosted ones have been signficantly neutered |
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| [03:13:39] | wagnerrp: | might be worth seeing what it would take to free ideatorrent from drupal/postgre |
| [03:14:02] | wagnerrp: | although to be honest, its not like were looking for a whole lot of functionality |
| [03:14:04] | skd5aner: | from drupal? a lot? from postgre? a little |
| [03:14:12] | xris: | could always see if it would run on appfog.com |
| [03:14:12] | wagnerrp: | might be easier to just write some new clone |
| [03:14:18] | skd5aner: | s/a lot?/a lot. |
| [03:14:19] | xris: | skd5aner: actually...... |
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| [03:15:21] | wagnerrp: | as indicated earlier, i'd really like it to be something we would run ourselves |
| [03:15:28] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I will say this about ideatorrent – for it being a "plugin" it has a significant ammount of lines – I don't know if it's really codebloat, or inefficient, but it is massive in it's own right |
| [03:15:38] | wagnerrp: | on a side note, do we have any kind of backups? |
| [03:15:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, I would tend to agree |
| [03:16:06] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: plus, customization has proven to be very valuable in my work experience with innovation/idea platforms |
| [03:16:36] | wagnerrp: | ive got aged dumps of the wiki and trac from messing around with things, and we can always remaster the repository off github |
| [03:16:40] | wagnerrp: | but all the other crap on the server? |
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| [03:20:34] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you around for a brief sanity check? |
| [03:23:06] | wagnerrp: | converts preview generator spawn to shell-less mythsystem, along with nice/ioprio, as a 0.27 fix for #11026 |
| [03:23:06] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11026 ** | |
| [03:23:11] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/MythTV/11026_mythsystem_nice.patch |
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| [03:23:55] | wagnerrp: | just running it by you to see if i did the logging bits correctly |
| [03:24:14] | wagnerrp: | actually... |
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| [03:24:38] | wagnerrp: | might be worth adding those logging bits as a flag for mythsystem, and just have the proper arguments added automatically |
| [03:25:01] | wagnerrp: | i like that idea |
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| [03:37:18] | Beirdo: | let me take a look |
| [03:39:24] | Beirdo: | looks good |
| [03:39:36] | Beirdo: | but hardwiring the nice and ionice levels? |
| [03:40:15] | wagnerrp: | i just took the mid-level values from the jobqueue |
| [03:40:18] | wagnerrp: | if youve got a better idea |
| [03:40:35] | wagnerrp: | i mean theres no good reason for it to be run at full priority |
| [03:40:52] | Beirdo: | and yeah, adding the propagation as kLoggingPropagate or so is not a bad plan |
| [03:40:57] | Beirdo: | true |
| [03:41:01] | Beirdo: | looks good |
| [03:41:09] | wagnerrp: | of course on most peoples systems, it shouldnt make a difference unless a couple dozen of them get run simultaneously |
| [03:41:12] | Beirdo: | I was just thinking, shouldn't hurt anything |
| [03:41:15] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [03:44:42] | wagnerrp: | how should quiet be handled? |
| [03:44:51] | wagnerrp: | separate kMS constant? or included? |
| [03:46:22] | wagnerrp: | actually, this is forcing quiet regardless isnt it |
| [03:46:48] | wagnerrp: | just so it doesnt waste resources dumping text to /dev/null? |
| [03:47:08] | wagnerrp: | so it would make sense to enforce that on all commands run by mythsystem then |
| [03:49:37] | wagnerrp: | ok, new copy of the file |
| [03:52:31] | wagnerrp: | always with the lousy semicolons |
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| [04:14:16] | sphery: | tgm4883: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . ist.cpp#n926 ... works for me |
| [04:15:12] | sphery: | You went to Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Search Lists|New Titles? |
| [04:16:28] | sphery: | tgm4883: the qualifiers for Premieres is: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . st.cpp#n1151 |
| [04:24:32] | wagnerrp: | gah! |
| [04:24:36] | wagnerrp: | undefined references |
| [04:27:21] | wagnerrp: | any suggestions on how to resolve this? |
| [04:27:26] | wagnerrp: | its always something simple |
| [04:27:36] | wagnerrp: | and yet i always forget what it could be |
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| [07:16:24] | xris: | wagnerrp: we're supposed to have backups but I don't know if GreyFoxx ever actually set things up on the new box. that's a good reminder... |
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| [07:30:52] | frankster: | although I have 2 DVB tuners, set to the same video source, and with the same priorities, mythtv only seems to use one tuner. i.e. if it starts recording something downstairs, then upstairs can only watch channels on the same multiplex |
| [07:31:00] | frankster: | any thoughts about what to check? |
| [07:31:28] | frankster: | 0.25 in mythbuntu |
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| [08:15:59] | Shadow__X: | frankster: are you able to select the other tuner within live tv? |
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| [08:26:12] | frankster: | i'll try that |
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| [09:40:16] | frankster: | Shadow__X: yes I can select the other tuner in live tv – I'll try doing that as a workaround next time this problem crops up |
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| [09:46:05] | yunosh: | short question: if i use auto-expiring, and a recording will get expired, will it automatically be re-recorded then next time it airs? |
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| [10:03:14] | sid3windr: | afaik when something is marked as recorded it won't be re-recorded |
| [10:03:20] | sid3windr: | unless you remove that status |
| [10:03:48] | firl: | Hello all, was searching on the net and couldn't find this. Anyone know how to force job order for a specific recording, but allow a backend to run multiple jobs ( process user jobs in the queue by recording )? |
| [10:10:39] | clever: | yunosh: there is an option somewhere to re-record when expiring |
| [10:11:29] | yunosh: | clever: ah, cool, will find that |
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| [13:37:37] | tgm4883: | sphery, nah, I was looking in mythweb |
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| [13:45:30] | sphery: | yunosh: When a not-yet-deleted recording is automatically expired, it is always marked to allow re-record. However, there's an option you can disable that tells MythTV not to mark shows to allow re-record if they've been marked as Watched (Re-record watched: If enabled, programs that have been marked as watched and are Auto-Expired will be re-recorded if they are shown again.) |
| [13:46:23] | sphery: | yunosh: note that MythTV will /not/ create new recording rules to re-record the shows--so if the recording was made from a "find one" or "this episode" rule or similar or if you have since deleted the recording rule, it will not be re-recorded until you create a new rule |
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| [13:57:33] | tgm4883: | sphery, is a power rule full sql? |
| [13:59:21] | tgm4883: | I'm wondering if you could run some form of the premieres rule on the recorded (or oldrecorded) table and get the seriedID then join that to the program table and record everything that matches |
| [14:07:20] | sphery: | tgm4883: pretty much, yes (you create a SQL snipped that's run inside the scheduler query) |
| [14:07:41] | sphery: | tgm4883: I could /easily/ record every single premiere--my "first episodes" rule finds them |
| [14:07:50] | sphery: | it's getting the /rest/ of that series that I create new rules for |
| [14:08:20] | tgm4883: | sphery, but wouldn't a search of premiers in recorded allow you to record the rest of the series? |
| [14:08:22] | sphery: | my first episodes rule is marked inactive so it won't actually record them, but it finds and shows them so I can then create the rules for the new series |
| [14:09:08] | sphery: | tgm4883: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/188789#188789 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/145147#145147 |
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| [14:12:26] | yunosh: | sphery: ah good to know, this is exactly what i was worried about. too bad. |
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| [14:13:08] | tgm4883: | sphery, ok so power searching is pretty powerful. I don't have a myth DB in front of me, but unless recorded/oldrecorded loses some of the data, it seems like a second rule would allow continued recording of a series for a recorded premier |
| [14:13:11] | sphery: | or you're saying to record the rest of the episodes based on the fact that we recorded the premiere with the first episodes rule... I don't like that because then I can't stop the rule |
| [14:13:41] | tgm4883: | sphery, true, there wouldn't be a way to remove said series from recording |
| [14:13:42] | sphery: | (i.e. when everyone says the show is terrible or whatever) |
| [14:13:43] | tgm4883: | :/ |
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| [14:14:15] | sphery: | I'll keep thinking about it and see if I can come up with a good way... so far, the approach I like best is wagnerrp's script-based approach |
| [14:14:27] | sphery: | where a script creates the rules for you... |
| [14:15:14] | tgm4883: | sphery, yea, unless you could get a power rule to create a rule for you |
| [14:15:22] | sphery: | could be possible to add a "rule creator" to mythtv that will automatically create rules based on some criteria |
| [14:16:51] | sphery: | I think I'd almost prefer a notification mechanism that tells you (via mythfrontend and/or email ...) about upcoming stuff and has button/link to create a new rule |
| [14:17:27] | wagnerrp: | might be a good idea to have some general notification system for various events |
| [14:17:29] | sphery: | so, one-click enable after notification... guess the notifier could be set to automatically create the rules, though |
| [14:18:01] | wagnerrp: | well the email would provide a link back to the services API, which would create everything necessary |
| [14:18:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I'll have to get Beirdo to do it for me, like I got him to do the "general-purpose" logging mechanism (one logging mechanism that allows writing to any of several sinks), so that the notification mechanism allows you to notify using various message types (frontend popups, e-mail, sms, ...) |
| [14:20:31] | sphery: | yunosh: afraid because the expiry has already happened and you don't want the shows re-recorded? |
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| [14:21:35] | yunosh: | no, i actually wanted to enable expiration (have it turned off globally atm) and have expired recordings re-recorded automatically if i didn't watch them yet |
| [14:22:17] | sphery: | well, you can't turn off expiration globally--can only be enabled/disabled on individual recordings and the recording rules that create those recordings |
| [14:22:33] | sphery: | but if you enable it, anything that's expired will be re-recorded automatically |
| [14:22:39] | yunosh: | yes, what i mean is that i have it turned off by default for new rules |
| [14:22:47] | sphery: | unless you disable "re-record watched" |
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| [14:23:20] | sphery: | in which case they will be allowed to re-record |
| [14:23:28] | sphery: | unless they were marked as watched |
| [14:23:47] | sphery: | but maybe you're saying that you have a bunch of stuff that would expire and for which you have no rules to re-record? |
| [14:23:52] | yunosh: | well, then i misunderstood you, and it's doing exactly what i want. but didn't you say, they won't be re-recorded if it was a find-one rule? |
| [14:24:13] | sphery: | right, you'd need a valid current rule that will match future episodes |
| [14:24:45] | sphery: | so, for example, for my TV series (where most are the type where you need to see all episodes in order), I disable auto-expire |
| [14:25:21] | yunosh: | hm, but how would i create such a rule for individual movies? i always use find-one because i don't care where an when it's recorded. and i obviously don't want record-all |
| [14:25:24] | yunosh: | or do i? |
| [14:25:25] | sphery: | but--because it's /extremely/ dangerous to run MythTV without allowing anything to expire--I have a bunch of other recordings (such as movies, etc.) that are allowed to expire |
| [14:25:43] | yunosh: | yes, that's exactly my plan |
| [14:26:00] | sphery: | yunosh: find one is appropriate for movies... the problem is that once the one is found and recorded, the rule is removed |
| [14:26:26] | yunosh: | okay, so what's the way out of this dilemma :) |
| [14:27:10] | sphery: | and it really would be a problem to create all the movie rules as any time/any channel rules, which would match future showings, because it would choke your scheduler trying to match every movie you've ever recorded and having to duplicate match it |
| [14:27:42] | sphery: | so the way out is to just let things expire, then if you don't have a rule that matches future showings, create a new rule of the proper type |
| [14:27:47] | sphery: | or get more storage :) |
| [14:28:02] | sphery: | or watch and delete things faster than you record them :) |
| [14:28:03] | yunosh: | heh well, that's of course always an option :) |
| [14:28:15] | yunosh: | those are useful hints ;) |
| [14:28:46] | sphery: | I keep telling myself I'm going to write a script to parse my logs looking for expiration messages so I can be notified of what got expired |
| [14:29:07] | sphery: | but it would actually be better to do it using a similar kind of generic notification mechanism that we were just talking about |
| [14:29:11] | yunosh: | that would have been my next question. i won't notice if recordings expire? |
| [14:29:14] | sphery: | and that would allow anyone to use the notification |
| [14:29:24] | sphery: | the logs will tell you when something is expired |
| [14:29:39] | yunosh: | yeah but i only look at the logs if there are any problems |
| [14:30:03] | wagnerrp: | i could fairly adapt the script that picks up the tuner used for recordings, to pick up expiration messages |
| [14:30:08] | wagnerrp: | *fairly easily |
| [14:30:29] | sphery: | something like: 2007-10–07 19:36:07.563 Expiring 467 MBytes for 1012 @ Sun Sep 30 21:00:00 2007 => Family Guy "Movin' Out (Brian's Song)" |
| [14:30:30] | yunosh: | i guess for now i should expire manually using delete and re-record |
| [14:30:32] | sphery: | 2007-10–07 19:36:07.565 autoexpire: Expiring Program: Expiring 467 MBytes for 1012 @ Sun Sep 30 21:00:00 2007 => Family Guy "Movin' Out (Brian's Song)" |
| [14:31:22] | sphery: | yunosh: yeah, that's an option--and if you want help choosing which to expire, just enable auto-expire on things you don't mind losing and set an auto-expire mechanism (based on record time or priority or ...) |
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| [14:32:19] | sphery: | then go into mythfrontend's System Status area (under Information Center, IIRC), and select Auto-Expire List, and then go through it and find things (already ordered by the mechanism you chose) and you can hit SELECT (Space/Enter) and then Delete or Delete and allow re-record |
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| [14:32:49] | yunosh: | well, the idea is that i have tons of movies that i still want to see – once. but some of those have been recorded a few years and i still didn't watch them. so i won't even notice if they are expired and re-recorded with a re-run in a few months |
| [14:33:03] | yunosh: | but that should happen automatically |
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| [14:33:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I should probably mention that those messages above are just some random one from a message on the list, and--as date shows--not new, so probably not appropriate for creating a new script :) |
| [14:33:51] | sphery: | I only have to say this because whereas I keep telling myself I'm going to make a script, you're one who would actually finish it in the next 5 minutes... :) |
| [14:34:46] | sphery: | yunosh: yeah, I use that general approach, too, but I also figure if I didn't notice it expiring and haven't watched it in a couple of years, I don't care enough about it to need to create a new rule right away |
| [14:35:28] | sphery: | yunosh: also, creating a new rule for something that doesn't exist in the listings is generally harder (you need to do a title search or something), and will just slow down scheduling until that movie eventually re-airs |
| [14:36:37] | sphery: | so, generally, if I do create a new rule for it, I'll do so after it's re-appeared in the listings some day, when I'm looking at movies for something I haven't seen (and, since it will be marked to allow re-record, MythTV will tell me I haven't seen it, yet) |
| [14:36:38] | yunosh: | makes sense. that reminds me that i should probably cleanup up my recording rules one day. removing old cruft from cancelled series etc |
| [14:36:52] | sphery: | yeah, I do that at least once a year |
| [14:37:01] | sphery: | it's amazing the difference it makes |
| [14:37:23] | sphery: | only had a couple of problems over the years--like with Jericho and Scrubs--both of which were cancelled and then brought back |
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| [14:37:26] | yunosh: | i bet. scheduling is really a time consumer on my backend |
| [14:37:32] | sphery: | yeah |
| [14:38:15] | sphery: | fwiw, you can go to Manage Recordings|Recording Rules or MythWeb's Recording Rules and sort by "last recorded" date... I think it's (the extremely-intuitive) 7 in mythfrontend |
| [14:38:32] | sphery: | then go through the "haven't recorded in forever" rules and see which ones should be deleted |
| [14:38:34] | wagnerrp: | it usually shouldnt be *that* time intensive |
| [14:38:42] | yunosh: | lol. i rather use mythweb i guess :) |
| [14:38:52] | wagnerrp: | unless you've got a slow processor, screwed up database, or a hundreds of channels |
| [14:39:16] | sphery: | what, you think clicking a column header to sort by that column is more intuitive than hitting 7 to sort by "last recorded" date? |
| [14:39:28] | yunosh: | :P |
| [14:39:33] | sphery: | (I really need to go in there and fix that) |
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| [14:40:33] | yunosh: | i actually do have lots of channels, and the epg data provided isn't the best, (no ids, matching by series name, etc) |
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| [14:41:47] | yunosh: | well the epg data actually contains ids now, the xmltv grabber just needs to be updated to use those, which i happen to be the maintainer of. ah, the day has only so much hours |
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| [14:52:16] | dkeith_: | is there a performance penalty for having rules that are disabled rather than deleted? |
| [14:54:50] | sphery: | disabled as in inactive? |
| [14:55:15] | sphery: | any rules affect how much work has to be done to do matching... inactive rules only prevent work on placing |
| [14:55:21] | sphery: | (see the match/place times in your logs) |
| [14:56:25] | dkeith_: | yes – inactive |
| [14:56:26] | sphery: | note, also, that your match/place times may be low right now, if you're in between seasons, like here in the US |
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| [14:57:08] | sphery: | in a month or so, those times will likely increase pretty significantly as you get more shows to record |
| [14:57:33] | dkeith_: | I have deactivated many rules simply because the adults watched the whole hting, and someday down the line we may reactivate and show them to the kids when they get old enough |
| [14:58:36] | dkeith_: | there are a bunch I can clean up though, as they are really never gonna get recorded. time to mop up :-) |
| [14:59:54] | sphery: | you can leave them in place if your times are "reasonable" |
| [15:00:12] | sphery: | I like to keep my scheduler clean, though |
| [15:00:39] | sphery: | some people do so through deleting history (in Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded), but I want MythTV to maintain my history since its memory is /much/ better than mine |
| [15:01:01] | sphery: | so I clean up by getting rid of "not currently necessary" rules |
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| [17:06:30] | lucas^: | I'm trying to think of a good, mostly foolproof way to determine whether an existing MP4 video file is a movie or a TV episode, and what its name is |
| [17:06:47] | lucas^: | the best approach I can come up with so far is to either have the user manually enter it |
| [17:07:15] | lucas^: | or query TMDb / Tvdb repeatedly with things like: the full filename, the parts of the filename before and after any dash characters, the directory name one or two levels up... |
| [17:07:30] | lucas^: | this would probably piss off the guys who run this database, right? |
| [17:07:45] | wagnerrp: | they have per-ip API limits |
| [17:07:51] | wagnerrp: | you're not likely to run anywhere near it |
| [17:08:04] | lucas^: | alright |
| [17:08:06] | wagnerrp: | and the mythtv api keys aren't causing anywhere near the load as xbmc |
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| [20:49:02] | tgm4883: | sphery, I don't think this is a battle we are going to win |
| [20:49:37] | lucas^: | man, I'm blown away at how easy this all was |
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| [20:50:09] | lucas^: | the only problem I've run into so far is that one or two of the TMDb movie posters are in Spanish, German or Italian |
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| [21:00:18] | wagnerrp: | !seen jya |
| [21:00:18] | MythLogBot: | jya was last seen 8 days 2 hours 57 minutes 5 seconds ago |
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| [21:07:58] | sphery: | tgm4883: I just don't get why you can't understand the logic. "Live TV is buggy and causes all manner of problems. I have no desire to learn to use MythTV better--and make my life easier in the process--therefore it's better to use (the broken/constantly-failing/problem-inducing) Live TV feature than to just do recordings." |
| [21:08:27] | sphery: | and as a bonus, it allows me to complain about how broken Live TV is |
| [21:08:31] | tgm4883: | sphery, I know |
| [21:08:40] | tgm4883: | sphery, I'm contemplating just fixing Live TV because of it |
| [21:08:57] | tgm4883: | but I know know C++, so I'll have to learn that too |
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| [21:09:40] | sphery: | besides, it's not like recording is an important feature of MythTV. I mean MythTV is a DVR, not some kind of "recorder"! |
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| [21:09:55] | tgm4883: | sphery, what if we just removed channel surfing? |
| [21:10:12] | sphery: | seems the bugs do a pretty good job of that for us :) |
| [21:10:25] | tgm4883: | sphery, i meant in an attempt to fix "live tv" |
| [21:10:32] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:10:58] | tgm4883: | where everything gets treated as a recording, and instead of channel surfing, "watch tv" brings you to the guide |
| [21:11:44] | sphery: | I don't mind that much that other people refuse to see how things can be better for themselves... I was just hoping to show them some alternatives to allow them to use MythTV without encountering these Live TV issues (and make their lives easier in the process), but... |
| [21:12:35] | tgm4883: | sphery, and I can see that, especially since no devs use Live Tv? |
| [21:12:43] | sphery: | well, a few do |
| [21:12:54] | tgm4883: | and I'm not entirely sure what the issues with live tv are either |
| [21:13:10] | lucas^: | it's odd. on themoviedb.org, the poster images are listed by popularity and language on the cover |
| [21:13:22] | sphery: | yeah... I'd bet a large percentage of those issues are actually misconfiguration/misunderstanding |
| [21:13:33] | lucas^: | the API query Movie.getImages doesn't seem to provide any of those details |
| [21:13:39] | sphery: | but since I don't use Live TV, I don't know it well enough to assert that belief |
| [21:13:40] | tgm4883: | sphery, probably |
| [21:13:42] | lucas^: | wonder how MythTV does it |
| [21:13:56] | sphery: | but, hey, we /can't/ remove settings... that would be bad@ |
| [21:14:18] | tgm4883: | sphery, well technically it doesn't say Live TV an any of the themes |
| [21:14:32] | tgm4883: | so just make that go to the program guide where they can schedule recordings |
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| [21:15:42] | tgm4883: | or better yet, lets just file a bug saying when you go into "watch TV", it starts playing video when instead it should just show the guide and allow recordings |
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| [21:15:49] | tgm4883: | then we can remove live tv as a bug fix :) |
| [21:19:08] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [21:22:12] | desto: | could you guys provide me with a good link for a 0.25 tutorial to transcode to audio-synced mp4? ;) |
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| [21:35:11] | lucas^: | desto: I'm actually working on something that does just that |
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| [21:39:47] | desto: | wohow! |
| [21:39:56] | desto: | could you /msg me the results when you're done? |
| [21:39:58] | desto: | or highlight me. |
| [21:42:47] | lucas^: | desto: http://vidya.dyndns.org/stuff/tv.png |
| [21:43:19] | lucas^: | here's a sample of what I've transcoded with it so far. works for MythTV and WMC7, I'm mostly using it for the latter now because I can't afford the $25/year |
| [21:43:44] | desto: | sweet. what kinda script are you using? |
| [21:43:49] | ** desto is linux based only, though. ** | |
| [21:43:53] | lucas^: | only problem, it's still pretty untested and uses a lot of dependencies |
| [21:44:24] | lucas^: | I'm pretty sure there are other programs (mythtranscode? nuvexport?) which do this too |
| [21:45:12] | lucas^: | https://github.com/lucas-j/transcode.py |
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