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Thursday, August 16th, 2012, 00:15 UTC

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awalls:

fafa88: A guy on the ivtv-users mailing list is using Mythbackend in a Xen VM with an HVR-1600

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awalls:

I assume he has lots of horsepower to do have the CPU do the extra copies for "DMA"

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awalls:

/to_have/

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tgm4883:

So I made some changes to the Mythbuntu theme last night and pushed them to git, but they aren't showing up in the theme downloader

[02:05:53]

tgm4883:

I'm probably missing something easy

[02:08:01]

tgm4883:

I'm not seeing anything specific that I need to do on the wiki

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tgm4883:

Captain_Murdoch, how do I get the theme downloader to pick up my changes?

[02:10:37]

Captain_Murdoch:

they get picked up from the source repo twice a day automatically.

[02:11:21]

tgm4883:

hmm

[02:11:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

0400 and 1600 UTC, so should go in a couple hours again.

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tgm4883:

I'm assuming those are equally spaced apart

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tgm4883:

think I found it

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tgm4883:

Captain_Murdoch, it just picks up changes from fixes/0.25?

[02:13:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

picks up from 0.24, 0.25, and master

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tgm4883:

Captain_Murdoch, right, but it just makes it available for that specific mythtv version right?

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Captain_Murdoch:

delete your ~/.mythtv/tmp/themes.zip and re-enter the screen to see if it downloads the new index. the 25.16 version was packaged already it looks like.

[02:14:42]

Captain_Murdoch:

right.

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tgm4883:

I only pushed to master, which is why I'm not seeing it on my 0.25 frontend?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah. if you go to ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/themes/ you can see what has been packaged

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Captain_Murdoch:

trunk/master shows 25.16, 0.25 still at 25.14

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tgm4883:

ok, so I just need to figure out how to do a merge on the two then

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think the conly commit in the fixes/0.25 branch other than two version updates was 1b80df40c7f6355be18596fefc48c80e2eaa3afb

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Captain_Murdoch:

I only see 3 commits after the branch was created. first and last ones were just version updates according to the commit message.

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Captain_Murdoch:

if that's the only one, from within your master clone, you can just "git cherry-pick -x 1b80df40c7f6355be18596fefc48c80e2eaa3afb" and it will merge that commit to master from fixes/0.25

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tgm4883:

Captain_Murdoch, I had a few commits that I made

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Captain_Murdoch:

to the fixes branch? I don't see them.

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tgm4883:

I just pushed them after I merged

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tgm4883:

should be themeinfo.xml, video-ui.xml and recordings-ui.xml

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tgm4883:

in fixes/0.25

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok. yeah, I'm looking at the checkout on the web/packaging server.

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tgm4883:

ok

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tgm4883:

so it should be in there at the next run

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Captain_Murdoch:

yep.

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tgm4883:

at 0400 UTC

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tgm4883:

so 30 minutish?

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tgm4883:

guess that means I should make some dinner

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tgm4883:

thanks Captain_Murdoch

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Captain_Murdoch:

they get packaged at 0400 UTC, I think the osu rsync runs at 0430, then the index themes.zip file gets rebuilt on the webserver at 0440 to start advertising the new theme.

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slickrick:

Hi. I'm having a problem trying to get programs to record of a certain tuner and I can't figure out why. My setup has 13 tuners, shown here: http://pastebin.com/r1TFhVku

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slickrick:

I have two antennas due to where I am geographically located, one that points west towards Toronto and one that points South to NY state. Because the Canadian transmitters are so close, I do have duplicate channels that show up on both antennas.

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Beirdo:

slickrick: Kingston, eh?

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slickrick:

I am trying to record Grimm next week at 10pm on channel 8_1 from my Canadian antenna. When I select the show from Mythweb and set it record the recording ends up on 8–1, rather than 8_1. If I do the same thing in MythTV itself the program guide shows a (W) for both channels.

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slickrick:

Beirdo: Nope, Toronto.

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Beirdo:

west from Toronto isn't Toronto ;)

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slickrick:

East of the city in a neighbourhood called the Beaches. (If you know the area...)

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

nice area

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slickrick:

I have been using it this way for a while, and carefully select the channels based on were the transmitter is from me to get the best signal. However, this doesnt seem to be working for me now and I'm not sure why.

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slickrick:

Yeah its nice.

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Beirdo:

I used to live in Harbourfront

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Beirdo:

anyways..

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slickrick:

Close to lake, perfect for picking up ATSC from NY state. :-p

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Beirdo:

yeah, I had perfect ATSC from Buffalo

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slickrick:

Do you still live in Ontario?

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Beirdo:

nope. Seattle now

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slickrick:

My setup is ... different? Where I am means that the CDN transmitters are due west, and the American ones are due south. Hence the two antennas and two HDHR's.

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slickrick:

Ah, love Seattle.

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Beirdo:

makes sense

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slickrick:

Went there for an MS conference.

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Beirdo:

CN Tower and NY State. Got ya

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slickrick:

A lot of people think I'm ganging/stacking when I describe it... but they are totally seperate antennas but mounted to the same mast.

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Beirdo:

yeah, easier that way

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slickrick:

For sure. So due to that I have duplicate channels. Like CFTO ... off the Canadian antenna its a hella solid 100% all the time, and 80% on the US even tho it is facing 90 degrees away from it.

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Beirdo:

yeah, OK

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slickrick:

I try to schedule shows and select the best antenna depending on the station. So I prefer Canadian stations because they work pretty much all the time in any condition.

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Beirdo:

as they should, being transmitted from the top of the biggest phallic symbol in the world

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slickrick:

So I can't get this show to record of the Canadian antenna ... when I select that show on that that station in Mythweb and set a schedule for channel 9_1 then check on up coming recordings it's on 9–1 instead. Not sure why.

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slickrick:

I have friends paying for basic cable here and I keep telling them just to stick a coat hanger in the back of their TV .. when you live under the CN tower you don't need much to get a signal.

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Beirdo:

actually, you'd be surprised

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slickrick:

How's that?

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Beirdo:

if you are right downtown, the signal pretty much goes right over your head

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slickrick:

Really? My experience has been otherwise. My girl friend is in the Libery village area on the third floor of a condo and gets a whole bunch of channels with no antenna connected.

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Beirdo:

I actually used a coat hanger here in Seattle for a few weeks

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slickrick:

How'd it work?

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Beirdo:

they may have added separate antennas to help now

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Beirdo:

oh, I had 16 channels

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

out of 21 or so

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slickrick:

When I got my first antennas I tired them in the house, and got 1/4 of what I get with it on the roof.

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slickrick:

Hah, not bad.

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slickrick:

I love ATSC.

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slickrick:

I broke down and added an HDPVR with a cable box to get the stuff that I was missing tho.

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slickrick:

Which actually works amazing too, no lock ups or anything. The only thing is sometimes the cable box turns off, which I suspect is due to something the cable provide is doing causing it shut off. Remote software upgrade perhaps?

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Beirdo:

or just Rogers being tards

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slickrick:

H8 Rogers.

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slickrick:

One nice thing about it is that the while the boxes are tied to one account, they seem to work in other areas which are in a similar area.

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slickrick:

Or more clearly ... you can put a box on your girlfriends account and bring home to your place which is 8km away. =]

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slickrick:

I thought my problem might be due to input priority but both the cdn and us antenna have the same priority.

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Beirdo:

yeah, not sure on the priority stuff, honestly

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slickrick:

I set unchecked 'visible' in the channel editor for channel CFTO 9_1 and now it "works."

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Beirdo:

yeah, that should do the trick

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slickrick:

I liked the old behaviour I had before, allowing me to pick the channel and input. Not sure what changed.

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slickrick:

I guess this works for now and avoids the verbal lashing I will get if the gf misses the new season of Grimm.

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slickrick:

Seems to be only that channel that was doing that. I have SNL happily recording from the CDN antenna like I told it to. Oh well ...

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slickrick:

Last question ... I am rebuilding my backend. soon and was wondering if I should move my HDPVR to the backend or leave it on the slave backend it's on. Currently its connected to an ESX guest by way of a USB port using PCI passthru and working great. Not sure if it makes more sense to have it directly connected?

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Beirdo:

that just sounds like all kinds of asking for trouble.

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Beirdo:

I would just hook it directly :)

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slickrick:

It's been working great for since like Feb '12.

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slickrick:

I was thinking of doing that anyways however ... frees up space on my ESX host for other things.

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Beirdo:

like ornp servers

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slickrick:

lol

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slickrick:

I've been finding that passthry works pretty great in ESX as long as your system has the required support for it.

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Beirdo:

OK, take 3 at copying this Xilinx toolset over

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slickrick:

So Beirdo, are you a Canadian expat then?

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Beirdo:

yup

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slickrick:

Cool. How longs it been?

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Beirdo:

6 years

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Beirdo:

wow, that really adds up

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slickrick:

Work I take it?

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Beirdo:

well, I'd be broke without it :)

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slickrick:

gotcha.

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Beirdo:

came down to get married... now divorced...

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Beirdo:

meh

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slickrick:

Seattle is a good place. Would love to live on the west coast.

[03:32:36]

Beirdo:

yeah, it's a great place to be.

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wagnerrp:

slickrick: why are you using ESX?

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slickrick:

for the hdpvr? it was just temporary really. my current backend is old and outdated, and the running kernel didn't have the drivers for the hdpvr and i didn't want to mess with it.

[04:32:46]

slickrick:

physically there was no space for another system where my servers are.

[04:32:54]

slickrick:

so i virtualized a slave backend for the hdpvr.

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wagnerrp:

has this thing not been updated in like three years?

[04:34:45]

slickrick:

i'm embarassed to say ... barely any updates at all in 3 years.

[04:35:05]

wagnerrp:

running centos/rhel?

[04:35:23]

slickrick:

it works perfectly ... and i don't mess with it during the regular tv season, so the only time is the off season and then all the sun and fun gets in the way. =]

[04:35:57]

slickrick:

nope, ubuntu lucid.

[04:38:28]

slickrick:

i dont have regular tv setups anymore. four setups all with frontends that run xbmc and mythfrontend. if myth is down (which is never) then i have no tv. hence the reason i don't mess with it too much.

[04:42:24]

wagnerrp:

snapshot it, so if something goes wrong, you just roll back

[04:42:45]

slickrick:

oh, the backend is physical. only the slave backend with the hdpvr is virtual.

[04:42:47]

dekarl:

wagnerrp: minimyth is about the only distribution that ships with all the files. So no "ahh why do I have to install backend on frontend, it takes some precious bytes" with the smallest of all distributions :D

[04:43:16]

wagnerrp:

comments in that discussion seemed to indicate they were installing a "frontend only" minimyth

[04:44:37]

slickrick:

the backend os runs off compact flash. i have built a new one version of the backend on a new cf card, but haven't gone through the motions of moving over to it.

[04:45:02]

slickrick:

if it doesn't happen by the end of this month then it's off the table for a while with the fall tv season gearing up.

[04:45:07]

wagnerrp:

yikes

[04:45:16]

wagnerrp:

im not sure if my backend even supports CF

[04:45:30]

wagnerrp:

i think i would need a powered controller to boot off of one

[04:45:31]

slickrick:

i have a cf to sata adatper. works great.

[04:45:42]

wagnerrp:

great...ish...

[04:45:46]

slickrick:

just don't put your swap and logs on there.

[04:46:02]

slickrick:

no really .. it does work well.

[04:46:15]

slickrick:

my esx host has the same thing for the os.

[04:46:41]

wagnerrp:

thats because there effectively is nothing to the host os on an ESXi box

[04:47:00]

wagnerrp:

just a very thin shell to manage resource allocation

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wagnerrp:

i would expect mysql would burn through a CF card in fairly short order

[04:48:14]

wagnerrp:

unless youre using something like JFFS

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slickrick:

mysql isin'ton the cf card. i have a dedicated mysql server running on the esx box. its used for mythtv, zoneminder, and some other apps.

[04:49:18]

slickrick:

the backend is just a backend and thats it. boots from cf and has a 12tb lvm raid 6 for storage.

[04:49:43]

slickrick:

there is one extra small hard drive for logs and swap.

[04:51:11]

slickrick:

if you think thats wacky, my zoneminder setup is totally virtual and runs as an esx guest and the analog cctv capture card is connected to the host using pci passthrough.

[04:52:52]

slickrick:

hell, once the analog cable goes away and my pvr 500's go to recycling i might stop running the dedicated mythtv backend and put esx on there as well and make the backend virtual.

[04:53:26]

wagnerrp:

but zoneminder, mythtv, mysql... these are all linux applications

[04:53:29]

wagnerrp:

why bother with esx?

[04:53:42]

wagnerrp:

except for your current situation with an outdated kernel and the HDPVR

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slickrick:

well for one its easier to manage systems under esx than standalone hosts. besides, i have like 9 vms on there which includes ms stuff (ad, exchange, mssql)

[04:55:32]

wagnerrp:

esx doesnt actually make anything easier to manage

[04:55:52]

slickrick:

i sure find it does for me.

[04:56:16]

wagnerrp:

having isolated system roots make things easier to manage

[04:56:39]

wagnerrp:

but such a property is merely a requirement of virtual machines, not something that itself requires virtual machines

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wagnerrp:

virtual machines only factor in when you need to run independent kernels for whatever reason, you need to guarantee robustness against one system getting hacked or causing a kernel panic, or you need to be able to perform live migration for high availability and load balancing

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slickrick:

don't forget backup.

[04:58:30]

wagnerrp:

?

[04:58:49]

slickrick:

as a case for virtual machines. its a snap to back up vms if you have the right tools.

[04:59:01]

wagnerrp:

its a snap to back up if you have the right tools, period

[04:59:07]

wagnerrp:

again, virtual machines play no part in the matter

[04:59:19]

wagnerrp:

they are only along for the ride, as they require isolated system roots

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slickrick:

so what you suggest as an alternative then? i was thinking you meant kvm .. .but isense its something else.

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wagnerrp:

chroot?

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wagnerrp:

or if you want something more refined, LXC

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wagnerrp:

i run freebsd for my master backend, so ive got everything in Jails

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slickrick:

i've never heard of lxc before. just checking it out. looks interesting.

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slickrick:

so basically use that for application isolation rather than vms.

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wagnerrp:

you can use it for application isolation, in the same manner as chroot

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wagnerrp:

but at least on freebsd, its easier to just install a new system root to "boot" into

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wagnerrp:

you just have nearly all the services disabled

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wagnerrp:

all im getting at is that most of the features people attribute to virtual machines, are not actually features of virtual machines

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wagnerrp:

they are requirements of virtual machines, that can be had without the use of virtual machines

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slickrick:

i see what you mean. i honestly never new about linux containers before.

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wagnerrp:

your windows instances do not fall into that category

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wagnerrp:

LXC is relatively new, yes... but chroot has been around for decades

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slickrick:

i use chroot here and there but in probably a very basic way compared to this.

[05:05:29]

slickrick:

i still really like esx however, and not sure i'd give it up. i have a lot invested into it.

[05:05:53]

slickrick:

plus since i support it at many customers, it doesn't hurt to run it at home too. i get your point however.

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wagnerrp:

the problem just comes into the difficulty and overhead of gaining hardware access from within a VM

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wagnerrp:

when youre using an isolation mechanism, you can give direct hardware access

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wagnerrp:

when you're using a VM, you have to fake it

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slickrick:

i am finding thats less of an issue these days. i have a few instances where i did pci passthrough and it works. the bulk of my stuff doesn't require it.

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wagnerrp:

since USB is all software driven anyway, its not _that_ big of an issue

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wagnerrp:

PCI[e] passthrough is significantly more difficult

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slickrick:

when it comes to my mythtv it won't be too long until the only directly connected capture device is the hdpvr.

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slickrick:

for my setup i mean.

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slickrick:

the reason i tranform my backend into an esx host is that i have the other components needed to really take advantage of esx HA, but right now only one host.

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slickrick:

sorry ... the reason i *want* to transform ...

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wagnerrp:

well at least IMHO, using VMs for HA work is like using a sledge hammer on finishing nails

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wagnerrp:

if you really have a need for HA, its better to implement the machinery directly into the software

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slickrick:

thats not always feasible if you the software doesn't support or you don't have the skills to add it.

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slickrick:

the latter might not be an option if its closed source too.

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wagnerrp:

unless youre using something like a Z-machine, where the HA is built in deeply at the hardware level, and everything is being run in duplicate, over redundant processors, and redundant memory, and redundant systems, at redundant locations

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dekarl:

HA must be supported by your custom software, everything else is snake oil (but lots of people will happily sell it to you at insane prices). even on real HA metal your software has to support the HA concepts.

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wagnerrp:

depends on how the metal is designed

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wagnerrp:

think of Z systems like RAEC... redundant array of expensive CPUs

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dekarl:

well, that kind of metal still needs software that supports what the metal offers. I've never heard of working silver bullets :)

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wagnerrp:

you actually run the instructions two or more times, simultaneously, and then compare the result in hardware, without the application aware anything has happened

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wagnerrp:

if the results dont match, it runs again

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wagnerrp:

if the CPU fails, you have another instance and can hotswap in another cpu

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wagnerrp:

in the memory fails, you have another copy of the data in some other DIMM

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slickrick:

when you say z systems / z-machine are you referring to ibm zseries systems, or something else?

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dekarl:

was thinking of tandem, but zseries sounds similar

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wagnerrp:

if the server facility burns to the ground, youve got that instance live duplicated on some remote system in some other server facility

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wagnerrp:

yeah, IBM Z mainframes

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wagnerrp:

a hypervisor can do the same thing in software

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slickrick:

that whats i figured. we have them at work, but i know very little about them. except that people always point them and tell me now cool they are.

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wagnerrp:

but its going to cause a massive performance hit

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wagnerrp:

thats because they have to show its cool, to justify the price

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slickrick:

i dont think it's gonna fit in my basement however.

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wagnerrp:

which is absolutely absurd compared to just a bunch of cheap machines, and HA failover built directly into the software

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dekarl:

but that still will not help if your software is not designed with HA in mind. If one user performs crappy jobs that core/divide by zero stuff you want a design that allows other users to continue working. No amount of hardware will fix broken software ;)

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wagnerrp:

ah, i see where youre going

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slickrick:

i can even fathom what linux for zseries is like.

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dekarl:

And no amount of good software engineers can fix broken designs...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you still up by any chance?

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wagnerrp:

anyway... didnt you do something about this a while back?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /338284.html

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Beirdo:

frick

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Beirdo:

take 4

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Beirdo:

copied it onto the wrong filesystem

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Beirdo:

que estupido

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Beirdo:

I was hoping it would be finished.

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mdurkq:

Free TV cards for anyone who can get this card – http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TerraTe . . . _2400i_DVB-T – Working in Mythbuntu 12.04 – PM me if you're interested.

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wagnerrp:

mdurkq: you're likely going to have better luck in #linuxtv anyway

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wagnerrp:

we just use tuner cards here, not support them

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wagnerrp:

and there are only a handful of kernel devs that periodically stop by

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mdurkq:

been there, been everywhere, posting everywhere with fingers crossed

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sphery:

wagnerrp: made it so that mythjobqueue doesn't block master backend shutdown when idle, but mbe won't ever tell mythjobqueue host to shut down. Don't know if they could just use normal frontend shutdown approach (possibly with mythwelcome) and have an additional check using job_queue_idle.py?

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sphery:

we really need to rewrite/consolidate/fix all the various shutdown garbage

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EvilGuru:

Ugh. If I am watching live TV and let myth change the channel to record something and then escape from live TV the recording stops...

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EvilGuru:

But myth still thinks it is recording, which requires a backend restart

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EvilGuru:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10489 there we go

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jerrymatson:

Hello?

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jerrymatson:

Anyone running MythTV with a Happauge WINTV HVR2250 and having issues with analog channels?

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jerrymatson:

Correction... Hauppauge

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jerrymatson:

Quiet in here ; )

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jerrymatson:

Anyone using MythTV with a Hauppauge WinTV HVR2250 ?

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** sphery thinks we should remove the "Disable automatic backups" setting (as a user got himself in a bind by assuring MythTV he didn't need the help and not doing his own backup before a failed upgrade) **

[16:37:16]

sphery:

jerrymatson: I use a 2250, but digital only... I know at least one dev uses one with analog and it seems to work fine for him

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RagingMind:

sphery, this? http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2250

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sphery:

RagingMind: yeah, that's the one jerrymatson seems to be having problems using for analog

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RagingMind:

I was going to ask about that card in here (thinking about upgrading soon) and the info in google searches was mixed. Parts of the linuxtv wiki still say that only digital works, but I also saw blogs from a few years ago that mention "beta/experimental" analog support

[16:59:16]

Beirdo:

it's working perfectly with analog

[16:59:27]

Beirdo:

at least has been for me for two years

[17:00:27]

RagingMind:

maybe jerrymatson has a different revision of the card? I know H* likes to revise their cards a lot

[17:00:36]

sphery:

and here's the dev I know who's using the 2250 successfully with analog :)

[17:00:37]

jerrymatson:

WEll, here's what I have

[17:00:57]

RagingMind:

Beirdo, but that's good to hear, cause that card would be perfect

[17:01:08]

wagnerrp:

jerrymatson: are you sure you actually have analog channels to use with your HVR-2250?

[17:01:11]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.033088] CORE saa7164[0]: subsystem: 0070:8851, board: Hauppauge WinTV-HVR2250 [card=7,autodetected]

[17:01:12]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.033093] saa7164[0]/0: found at 0000:17:00.0, rev: 129, irq: 19, latency: 0, mmio: 0xfdc00000

[17:01:12]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.033100] saa7164 0000:17:00.0: setting latency timer to 64

[17:01:12]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.192085] saa7164_downloadfirmware() no first image

[17:01:12]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.192095] saa7164_downloadfirmware() Waiting for firmware upload (NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw)

[17:01:13]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.251700] saa7164_downloadfirmware() firmware read 4019072 bytes.

[17:01:15]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.251704] saa7164_downloadfirmware() firmware loaded.

[17:01:17]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.251712] saa7164_downloadfirmware() SecBootLoader.FileSize = 4019072

[17:01:17]

wagnerrp:

they are all but absent on broadcast tv

[17:01:21]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.251718] saa7164_downloadfirmware() FirmwareSize = 0x1fd6

[17:01:23]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.251719] saa7164_downloadfirmware() BSLSize = 0x0

[17:01:25]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.251721] saa7164_downloadfirmware() Reserved = 0x0

[17:01:27]

jerrymatson:

[ 9.251723] saa7164_downloadfirmware() Version = 0x1661c00

[17:01:29]

jerrymatson:

[ 16.104013] saa7164_downloadimage() Image downloaded, booting...

[17:01:30]

RagingMind:

gah! jerrymatson pastebin please!

[17:01:31]

jerrymatson:

[ 16.208013] saa7164_downloadimage() Image booted successfully.

[17:01:32]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o wagnerrp

[17:01:33]

sphery:

FWIW, I love my 2250 for digital. I will likely get additional when may PCI pcHDTV HD-3000s start to fail

[17:01:33]

jerrymatson:

[ 18.160014] saa7164_downloadimage() Image downloaded, booting...

[17:01:35]

jerrymatson:

[ 20.032015] saa7164_downloadimage() Image booted successfully.

[17:01:37]

jerrymatson:

[ 20.076486] saa7164[0]: Hauppauge eeprom: model=88061

[17:01:39]

jerrymatson:

[ 20.661521] DVB: registering new adapter (saa7164)

[17:01:41]

jerrymatson:

[ 24.047180] DVB: registering new adapter (saa7164)

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jerrymatson has been kicked from #mythtv-users by wagnerrp!~wagnerrp_@mythtv/developer/wagnerrp (jerrymatson)

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wagnerrp:

please use a pastebin for anything more than two lines

[17:02:29]

jerrymatson:

I can see the manners on IRC haven't changed over the years.

[17:02:40]

sphery:

jerrymatson: for more then 2 lines, please use: http://www.pastebin.com/

[17:02:42]

jerrymatson:

Had no idea about Pastebin

[17:02:49]

sphery:

(see topic :)

[17:02:49]

wagnerrp:

that is correct, after all these years, people still havent learned not to flood the channel

[17:02:50]

jerrymatson:

Next time, ask before you kick ;)

[17:02:55]

wagnerrp:

i cant ask

[17:02:59]

wagnerrp:

because you cant respond

[17:03:04]

wagnerrp:

you were rate limited by freenode

[17:03:09]

jerrymatson:

ah ok

[17:03:13]

jerrymatson:

Well, thank you for the info

[17:03:20]

jerrymatson:

Haven't been on IRC since 95

[17:03:24]

sphery:

jerrymatson: he kicked because it was flooding the channel with rate-limited lines that we all would have seen for quite a while

[17:03:33]

wagnerrp:

after ten lines, the freenode rate limiters kick in

[17:03:38]

jerrymatson:

Did my flood make it in?

[17:03:41]

wagnerrp:

and after that, its like one line every five seconds

[17:03:52]

sphery:

that stopped the flood, and let you come back in so we could ask you to re-post to pastebin

[17:04:05]

jerrymatson:

k

[17:04:08]

wagnerrp:

either we wait for the whole thing to finish, and you have likely several minutes where you cannot respond to anything

[17:04:13]

wagnerrp:

or we kick you immediately and try again

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wagnerrp:

it's better for everyone to simply kick

[17:05:09]

sphery:

and if it were really us being mean, it would have been a kick + ban :)

[17:05:18]

jerrymatson:

Well, the jist of it was that I have the saa7164 driver loaded successfully with NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw

[17:05:22]

jerrymatson:

lol

[17:05:31]

wagnerrp:

right, this was not malicious in any manner, it was merely to correct the immediate problem at hand

[17:05:45]

jerrymatson:

np at all.. just wasn't aware of the issue.

[17:05:57]

jerrymatson:

I used IRC back in the day when it was a crazy jungle.

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jerrymatson:

I also loaded up the tv utilities (such as scantv, mplayer etc...)

[17:07:03]

sphery:

jerrymatson: does your analog work outside of MythTV?

[17:07:05]

jerrymatson:

Scantv doesn't find any analog either, but if I v2l4-ctl to a frequency and run mplayer, I can watch the stream.

[17:07:07]

jerrymatson:

Yes

[17:07:20]

wagnerrp:

when you use mplayer, what device node are you using?

[17:07:23]

jerrymatson:

I have two tuners setup for the digital

[17:07:28]

jerrymatson:

and two setup for analog/.

[17:07:39]

jerrymatson:

/dev/vide0 and video 1 for scantv and mplayer

[17:07:39]

sphery:

jerrymatson: are you trying to use mythtv to scan for analog channels? if so, you almost definitely don't want to do that

[17:07:44]

wagnerrp:

you're not trying to use both the analog and digital at the same time, are you?

[17:07:53]

jerrymatson:

Oh... so, can I add them manually then?

[17:07:55]

wagnerrp:

you only have two tuners total on that tuner card

[17:08:08]

jerrymatson:

Right, but the tuners can see digital and analog ?

[17:08:13]

wagnerrp:

they can each operate as analog or digital, but noth both analog and digital at the same time

[17:08:14]

sphery:

jerrymatson: I'm guessing you're in the US, based on your IP, right?

[17:08:23]

sphery:

jerrymatson: if so, you need to Fetch channels from listings source

[17:08:24]

wagnerrp:

hes in north america based off his tuner card

[17:08:31]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[17:08:41]

sphery:

ah, yeah, tuner card is a better clue :)

[17:08:42]

wagnerrp:

ip is irrelevent

[17:08:49]

jerrymatson:

Correct

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you have to set up your analog and digital tuners in input groups

[17:09:02]

jerrymatson:

I signed up for a week on the default one

[17:09:06]

jerrymatson:

Right

[17:09:09]

jerrymatson:

Did that part

[17:09:15]

wagnerrp:

so mythtv understands each pair can only be used one at a time

[17:09:25]

jerrymatson:

So, each tuner could either be grabbing either a digital or analog at a time.

[17:09:31]

wagnerrp:

this is with some cable provider that still offers analog service?

[17:09:38]

wagnerrp:

correct, analog, or digital, but not both

[17:09:39]

jerrymatson:

Yes... here anyway.

[17:09:40]

sphery:

jerrymatson: which part did you do?

[17:09:43]

sphery:

the fetch channels?

[17:09:55]

jerrymatson:

I signed up with... (what'st hat default listing service?

[17:09:56]

jerrymatson:

)

[17:09:57]

sphery:

if so, re-do it according to the instructions at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 and do not ever scan

[17:10:02]

sphery:

Schedules Direct

[17:10:03]

wagnerrp:

schedules direct

[17:10:04]

jerrymatson:

That's it

[17:10:13]

jerrymatson:

and loaded the two providers for my area

[17:10:23]

jerrymatson:

(the information still doesn't populate... oddly enough)

[17:10:32]

sphery:

i.e. Delete all video sources, then follow the "If you're (a North American user) using an analog source" instructions

[17:10:35]

wagnerrp:

there was someone else complaining about that a day or two ago

[17:10:43]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if theres some recent issue with that...

[17:11:20]

jerrymatson:

Well, my question is ... if it's "standard cable" using standard frequencies based on the tables, why won't it pick up the channels?

[17:11:30]

jerrymatson:

I mean I can tune them manually and watch them on mplayer

[17:11:38]

jerrymatson:

What's MythTV and scantv doing?

[17:11:50]

wagnerrp:

this is tuning directly? not tuning through the set top box?

[17:11:56]

jerrymatson:

direct

[17:12:03]

jerrymatson:

I have a coax connection direct to the card

[17:12:22]

wagnerrp:

it could be the tuner card is not returning some special indicator, telling the software its a valid channel

[17:12:41]

sphery:

jerrymatson: instead of Fetch channels... button, manually execute: mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels --do-not-filter-new-channels

[17:12:53]

jerrymatson:

k

[17:12:56]

sphery:

jerrymatson: but make sure you do the Delete all video sources and then re-create the video source first

[17:12:58]

wagnerrp:

but if you've got schedules direct (and the mechanism is working properly), you wouldnt need to scan and would just pull a lineup from them

[17:13:10]

sphery:

that will clear out any garbage you've got in the DB from the trial and error

[17:13:30]

wagnerrp:

i dont see any of the linuxtv people about

[17:13:37]

jerrymatson:

Right.. but even though you can see the mythtv console pulling the data, it doesn't populate

[17:13:50]

jerrymatson:

I thought it might be a driver issue.

[17:13:56]

wagnerrp:

this is in mythtv-setup? or mythfilldatabase?

[17:13:58]

jerrymatson:

There seems to be two different branches for this card.

[17:14:10]

jerrymatson:

a v4l and the npx

[17:14:17]

wagnerrp:

this is completely independent of the card or driver

[17:14:24]

wagnerrp:

you have set up two separate video sources in mythtv, correct?

[17:14:30]

wagnerrp:

one for analog cable, one for digital cable?

[17:14:38]

jerrymatson:

Right

[17:14:39]

sphery:

wagnerrp: did you see your "ip address is wrong" guy is using an address in a non-reserved block of IPv4

[17:14:45]

sphery:

Re: [mythtv-users] mythmote App and minimyth

[17:14:47]

jerrymatson:

Digtial channels do show up on the scan.

[17:15:29]

sphery:

jerrymatson: yeah, you'll need to scan for channels on the video source you connect to the digital inputs

[17:15:31]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah... that would do it

[17:15:47]

sphery:

jerrymatson: note, though, that you'll need different video sources for digital and analog

[17:15:52]

wagnerrp:

although wrong terminology, "class c" is something completely different

[17:16:15]

jerrymatson:

Right... and I have an analog source setup for tuner0 for /dev/video0

[17:16:24]

jerrymatson:

and the digitial to /dev/...frontend0

[17:16:34]

sphery:

ok, just making sure

[17:16:40]

sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, yeah, saw that, too :)

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jerrymatson:

Ya... ran that mythfilldb and ran the "Fetch Channels...." but all I still have on starting channel is the digital.

[17:17:39]

jerrymatson:

Can analog channels be manually added?

[17:17:44]

sphery:

wagnerrp: strange, too, that it's just outside the class b set-aside range, too

[17:17:52]

jerrymatson:

My IP?

[17:18:01]

wagnerrp:

just coincidence

[17:18:02]

sphery:

jerrymatson: no, other guy on the mailing list

[17:18:08]

jerrymatson:

ah ok

[17:18:17]

sphery:

we're multi-supporting, here :)

[17:19:14]

jerrymatson:

A most impressive talent.

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jerrymatson:

Can analog channels be manually added rather than using either a listing service or the non-functional "scan"?

[17:22:40]

sphery:

Beirdo: can we tell #11012 to keep going upstream (i.e. that it's ffmpeg he needs to complain to)?

[17:22:40]

** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11012 **

[17:22:41]

dekarl-work:

whats this Class-C thing I hear on the users list? I thought we all went CIDR almost 20 years ago...

[17:22:42]

wagnerrp:

they can be, but then they have to be manually linked to the listings data with the XMLTV ID, and all the other identifying information has to be manually added in as well

[17:22:55]

wagnerrp:

there should be no reason to

[17:23:08]

sphery:

it's much easier to do the fetch

[17:23:21]

jerrymatson:

If the fetch would work.

[17:23:24]

sphery:

even if it entails the mfdb command line I mentioned

[17:23:29]

jerrymatson:

My local cable provider is on the list.

[17:23:46]

jerrymatson:

but channel data is not showing up (even though it shows successful).

[17:23:55]

sphery:

using: mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels --do-not-filter-new-channels

[17:23:58]

sphery:

?

[17:23:58]

jerrymatson:

Did that

[17:24:03]

jerrymatson:

It was successful

[17:24:10]

sphery:

got a log from it?

[17:24:40]

jerrymatson:

Yes... evidence of grabbing files, decompressingt them... etc

[17:24:49]

sphery:

can you pastebin it

[17:24:58]

sphery:

it should say whether it's adding new channels

[17:25:10]

jerrymatson:

I don't see any of that.

[17:25:26]

sphery:

and if so, then it means the problem isn't getting the channels into the DB, but your input connections are misconfigured, so MythTV doesn't show the channels

[17:25:35]

jerrymatson:

"Can not mis digital with other tuning information"

[17:25:39]

jerrymatson:

Cannot

[17:25:43]

jerrymatson:

mix

[17:25:44]

jerrymatson:

that is

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sphery:

yeah, that would happen for the digital source

[17:25:53]

sphery:

but shouldn't for the analog

[17:26:01]

jerrymatson:

No Channels are configured to use grabber.

[17:26:01]

sphery:

can I actually see the log output

[17:26:44]

jerrymatson:

on pastebin?

[17:26:47]

sphery:

please

[17:27:37]

sphery:

and if you don't want to copy/paste it up there, there's a script called pastebinit (that's likely in your distro's repo) that will allow you to send a file to it

[17:27:50]

jerrymatson:

http://pastebin.com/NuqcB2Ei

[17:27:56]

sphery:

thx

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jerrymatson:

Thank you for taking time to look at this.

[17:29:01]

sphery:

2012-08–16 11:13:13.464985 N SourceUtil::IsProperlyConnected(): Source ID 1 appears to be connected to 1 encoder, and 1 non-encoder. This is probably a bad idea.

[17:29:16]

sphery:

seems you have source 1 connected to both digital and analog

[17:29:21]

sphery:

what are your source names?

[17:29:36]

sphery:

source = Video Source, not Schedules Direct lineup

[17:29:51]

sphery:

ok, wait

[17:29:54]

sphery:

2012-08–16 11:13:13.464985 N SourceUtil::IsProperlyConnected(): Source ID 1 appears to be connected to 1 encoder, and 1 non-encoder. This is probably a bad idea.

[17:29:58]

sphery:

er...

[17:30:10]

sphery:

Myth-Digital1 and Myth-Digital2 are your 2 sources

[17:30:25]

sphery:

where Myth-Digital2 seems to be connected to both your analog and your digital tuners

[17:30:29]

jerrymatson:

right

[17:30:33]

sphery:

and Myth-Digital1 is unconnected

[17:30:50]

jerrymatson:

They're identical

[17:31:17]

sphery:

you need to have a different MythTV Video Source for the analog and the digital tuners

[17:31:22]

jerrymatson:

k

[17:31:26]

sphery:

Video Source = list of channels and their tuning information

[17:31:41]

jerrymatson:

Right, but my account with Schedule direct includes both listings.

[17:31:48]

sphery:

and since we have to tune analog and digital differently, you need different Video Sources, even though the channels are identical

[17:31:56]

sphery:

you can use the same Schedules Direct lineup for both

[17:32:03]

jerrymatson:

ok... let me fix that around.

[17:32:05]

sphery:

but you need 2 separate Video Source

[17:32:20]

sphery:

and that's likely why Fetch channels... button isn't working

[17:35:10]

jerrymatson:

It's refreshing... taking a few moments.

[17:35:34]

sphery:

longer than before? if so, that's a good sign

[17:35:44]

jerrymatson:

Not sure if it's longer per se.

[17:35:49]

jerrymatson:

It usually takes a bit

[17:35:57]

sphery:

ok

[17:37:02]

wagnerrp:

sphery: slightly different situation

[17:37:16]

wagnerrp:

user claims he "selected" an address in the 172.32.99.xxx range

[17:37:24]

wagnerrp:

which means its not a coincidence he's using that

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wagnerrp:

he mistakenly thought that was one of the available private network ranges

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wagnerrp:

even though that ends at 172.31.255.255

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sphery:

yeah, that's what I meant when I said it was strange it falls just outside the window

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wagnerrp:

and as programmed, mythfrontend is dutifully refusing to listen on a potentially dangerous configuration unless explicitly told to

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sphery:

but you covered all the possibilities (actually on the Internet/assigned by provider, chose wrong one, ...)

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and it's good that this came up so you can say why it's doing that

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sphery:

so people who are just complaining about the setting see that someone actually thought about how it should work

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wagnerrp:

stoth: perfect person to ask...

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stoth:

hey wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

any reason why scanning analog channels on an HVR-2250 would fail?

[17:41:04]

jerrymatson:

I am seeing a number of: content-type missing in HTTP POST, defaulting to application/octet stream.

[17:41:13]

wagnerrp:

see jerrymatson's backlog for some further information on that question

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stoth:

hmm. it's been a while. I thought the stats were in good shape.

[17:41:30]

jerrymatson:

Hello stoth

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stoth:

hey jerrymatson

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wagnerrp:

ideally, people shouldnt be scanning analog on that card with mythtv, but some external "scantv" application failed as well

[17:42:29]

jerrymatson:

Manual tuning of analog channels outside of myth tv works great (even though everyone is blue lol)

[17:42:41]

sphery:

jerrymatson: the content-type thing is a Qt 4.8 thing and has not caused any problems with Schedules Direct (though we've updated MythTV so you won't get that warning in what will become 0.26)

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jerrymatson:

ah ok

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stoth:

jerrymatson: I haven't scanned in a very long time. In fact, not sure if I ever did. I always set the channel with v4l2-ctl and went about my business as normal.

[17:44:23]

stoth:

jerrymatson: is v4l2-ctl and mplayer -cache /dev/blah working OK for you?

[17:45:03]

jerrymatson:

Yes

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jerrymatson:

Those work great

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jerrymatson:

Channel scanning in mythtv just produces "No station found"

[17:45:26]

jerrymatson:

on all channels

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jerrymatson:

using us-cable and NTSC

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jerrymatson:

I tried a number of permutations all with the same result.

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jerrymatson:

It also shows "LOCKED" at the time.

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jerrymatson:

top

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jerrymatson:

while it's scanning

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stoth:

Hmm. I don't use analog in mythtv unfortuanely

[17:46:41]

stoth:

Didn't they proclaim Analog TV was offensive to the Eyes back at the turn of the century?

[17:46:50]

jerrymatson:

I don't blame you ... I wouldn't either except all the "good" channels are on the analog side.

[17:46:58]

jerrymatson:

lol

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stoth:

that's not something I hear a lot

[17:47:04]

jerrymatson:

They in fact did.

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jerrymatson:

All of our "local" channels are digital, but the main bulk of cable programming is still coming through analog here.

[17:48:23]

stoth:

can you repro it with a script, using v4l20ctl and does --all she the channel is locked?

[17:48:35]

jerrymatson:

Ok... that attempt finished... I am now back connecting source to input, but when I try to find a "starting" channel, I get nuttin.

[17:49:02]

stoth:

if yo ucan get a script repro, I can probably put time into it…… I'm unlikely to disturb my perfectly good and operational mythtv backend for you.

[17:49:17]

jerrymatson:

This is our first attempt to use myth TV

[17:49:20]

jerrymatson:

It's not in production.

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jerrymatson:

Using mythbuntu

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stoth:

yeah, but my box is.

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jerrymatson:

I don't want to give someone a headache... I was just hoping there was an easy explanation

[17:50:00]

jerrymatson:

If not.. I'll just figure something else out.

[17:50:10]

jerrymatson:

I could manually test and add each channel manually.

[17:50:15]

stoth:

I wanna say v4l2-ctl --all should show signal lock. I also wanna say it operates as expected (showing lock or not). In reality, your milage may vary.

[17:50:47]

sphery:

jerrymatson: you need to connect source to input, Fetch channels, then choose starting channel... until you Fetch channels on a properly-connected input there are no channels

[17:51:04]

jerrymatson:

right

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jerrymatson:

So, that means something isn't jiving with my channel info

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jerrymatson:

I will remove my hauppauge card and bang my head against it.

[17:52:03]

sphery:

do you have your 2 different Video Sources connected to only analog and only digital tuners?

[17:52:05]

jerrymatson:

Thanks for the input though.

[17:52:22]

sphery:

if so, re-run the mythfilldatabase command for me and let me see the new log

[17:52:26]

jerrymatson:

one sec... got an interloper in my office.

[17:52:29]

jerrymatson:

k

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jerrymatson:

Rerunning now

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jerrymatson:

New log: http://pastebin.com/Y8wT7vrX

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sphery:

jerrymatson: same misconfiguration... Myth-Digital1 is not connected to any inputs and Myth-Digital2 is connected to both analog and digital inputs

[17:59:14]

jerrymatson:

stoth: http://pastebin.com/uK9CNUdz

[17:59:21]

jerrymatson:

That's from the -all switch.

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jerrymatson:

ok Sphery

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jerrymatson:

let me just wipe the config and start new... analog only

[17:59:35]

sphery:

jerrymatson: Do http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (the "Delete all video sources" is important), then create a single Video Source for analog, then connect that to the analog capture cards

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sphery:

jerrymatson: then do a Fetch channels..., then finish setting up the analog

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sphery:

/then/ go back and create a new video source for digital, and connect it to your digital tuners, then scan for digital channels

[18:00:23]

sphery:

that should make things a lot less confusing and maximize the likelihood for success

[18:00:42]

sphery:

and with that I have to go mow the lawn, so I'll be out for a couple of hours

[18:00:48]

sphery:

good luck

[18:01:04]

jerrymatson:

right on

[18:01:05]

jerrymatson:

thank you

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Beirdo:

mow lawn?

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Beirdo:

pfft

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kari:

anyone has idea why mythtv does not idle and thus shutdown on ubuntu12.04? it use to work fine with 11.10

[19:27:04]

kari:

im seeing trace like this when it should be idle: DVBRead mpeg/mpegstreamdata.cpp:1980 (ProcessEncryptedPacket) PID 0x1b8b status: Unknown

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dekarl1:

kari, have you enable the active EIT scan?

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kari:

dekar11, i think i have. i have 5min and 600 seconds the timeouts

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kari:

how do i disable it?

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dekarl:

the message appears to be related to tuning to a new channel and guessing the encryption status

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dekarl:

kari, you can disable eit scan in mythtv-setup in the video source page

[19:39:18]

dekarl:

basically the opposite of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/EIT#Howto_Enable_EIT_Scanning

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kari:

dekar1, before those mpegstreamdata i see this trace: DVBRead dtvsignalmonitor.cpp:354 (HandlePMT) DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): PMT says program 50 is encrypted

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dekarl:

but according to http://code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/de0d29c . . . a3973/mythtv its not the EIT scan that prohibits the idle shutdown

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kari:

i cant see that option in video sources. I have "listings grabber: Transmitted guide only (EIT)"

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dekarl:

kari, maybe you can see why its not shutting down with: mythshutdown --status --verbose

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kari:

dekar1, it returned some lines and this was last line: Mythshutdown: --status returned: 0

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dekarl:

I think "0" means idle

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kari:

it might be different now as i used front&backends to check settings etc..

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kari:

these instructions should still work with ubuntu 12.04: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup ?

[19:55:10]

kari:

i also see these in the backend log quite often:

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dekarl:

I have only used idle shutdown with 0.24 and these instructions don't seem to have been updated to 0.25 either :(

[19:55:23]

kari:

I Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2010 (HandleReschedule) Reschedule requested for id -1.

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kari:

I Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2068 (HandleReschedule) Scheduled 0 items in 0.0 = 0.00 match + 0.01 place

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kari:

i coudl put extra traces to scheduler...

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dekarl:

kari, are you running 0.25 or master? (mythbackend --version has the details)

[20:00:48]

dekarl:

mythbuntu 12.04 will default to 0.25

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sphery:

and "Perform EIT Scan" is still definitely an option on the Video Source

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sphery:

and I remember some people saying that mythbackend won't shut down if you have EIT enabled

[20:02:13]

sphery:

don't know if it was ever changed or not, but I don't think so

[20:02:18]

sphery:

pretty sure there's a ticket somewhere

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sphery:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3597

[20:03:06]

dekarl:

sphery: I don't think you have that option with "EIT only", changing the guide source to "none" should do it then?

[20:03:19]

kari:

0.25 & fixes

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sphery:

ah, yeah, with EIT only, it's probably always there

[20:03:39]

sphery:

that ticket says it got fixed

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sphery:

13 months ago, so that would imply the fix is in 0.25

[20:04:17]

kari:

this started happening with the upgrade to 12.04

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kari:

if i remember correctly

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kari:

http://pastebin.com/bERvBNKH

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sphery:

yeah, not sure what it could be

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dekarl:

kari, maybe try setting "the timeout" to 300 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1997406

[20:06:38]

sphery:

I don't currently use the shutdown feature

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dekarl:

I know I've heard about automatic shutdown stopping after upgrading to 12.04 before

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sphery:

and if/when I start, I will likely rewrite it (we have like 3 different ones in there that are used at different times and for different types of systems and it needs rewritten) :)

[20:08:02]

kari:

hmm which timeout :)

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dekarl:

I think the one that is "600"

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kari:

ok.. the other one i have 5min=300sec

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kari:

im sure i read that post but thought that it meant the first timeout.. should have read more carefully

[20:11:01]

kari:

now its 300.. so in 5min i should start seeing idle log in backend log?

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dekarl:

I have "timeout 5 minutes until the scanner switches the channel", "60 seconds until an idle card will switch to scanning" on the next page its "max. 0 seconds of idleness before shutdown", "don't shutdown if less then 15 minutes of idleness between two recordings" (translating back to english ;)

[20:16:14]

dekarl:

Guessing the "5 minutes on each channel" and "300 seconds of idleness before shutdown" go together, that would hint at the bug having reappeared

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kari:

dekarl, you said "the message appears to be related to tuning to a new channel and guessing the encryption status".. why would it be tunign to new channel?

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kari:

no idle in log

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dekarl:

kari, did it work? It would tune to another channel/transport to scan for EIT changes there

[20:22:29]

kari:

no it did not work..

[20:22:39]

dekarl:

dinner time ;)

[20:23:10]

kari:

i have very soon mythtv uninstalling time :)

[20:23:59]

kari:

i have not seen anything to record from tv in the last year so i guess easier solution is to remove mythtv..

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kari:

sphery, "Perform EIT Scan" is only for north american listing grapper.. not for Transmitter guide only(EIT) listing grapper.

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jm|laptop:

hello :)

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jm|laptop:

can I [un]set post-processing defaults in MythWeb please?

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sphery:

jm|laptop: you mean disable jobs on some recording rules or disable particular jobs on a particular host or ?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for the reply to #11012... great answer for it

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11012 **

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jm|laptop:

sphery: hi! Currently when I'm creating a new schedule "Look up Metadata" and "Auto flag adverts" is set,

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jm|laptop:

I would rather they were not, by default

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jm|laptop:

as commflagging doesn't work and I don't need metadata

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sphery:

in mythfrontend, you can specify defaults for those (and anything else) for new rules you create by changing the Default recording rule template (OK, maybe that's only on what will become 0.26)--but MythWeb doesn't support recording rule templates, yet

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jm|laptop:

sphery: Hmm. I see. But I could manually amend the php :)

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sphery:

I don't know if there's any other way (so if you know PHP, you could add support for MythWeb)

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jm|laptop:

sphery: by making it honour the template?

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jm|laptop:

I did turn off some settings in mythtv-setup in General

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sphery:

or, yeah, just a quick hack to the existing if you're still on 0.25

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jm|laptop:

but they weren't brought through to mythweb, unsurprisingly

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sphery:

you mean you disabled things like, "Allow commercial-detection jobs"

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sphery:

if so, that only means that particular host is not allowed to run them, but they will still be queued for other hosts

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jm|laptop:

oic

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jm|laptop:

it is my only backend, as it happens

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sphery:

hehe, you could--real hack here--change "Commercial-detection command" to /bin/true :)

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jm|laptop:

ouch

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sphery:

yeah, not ideal approach

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jm|laptop:

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jm|laptop:

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jm|laptop:

that does appear to be addressing a 'schedule' class

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jm|laptop:

but my php-fu starts to fail there

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** jm|laptop hard-codes it **

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sphery:

hehe, yeah, probably easiest for now

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sphery:

good luck with it

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jm|laptop:

Well that has worked. Looks like there is somewhere I could set defaults for the schedule class, though

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jm|laptop:

nice hack than /bin/true!

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jm|laptop:

nicer*

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sphery:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any chance he is on the development mailing list?

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sphery:

hehe, probably isn't

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