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| [00:04:10] | marc84384: | wagnerrp: Any luck on an idea on how to solve my persnikity problem with the update function of mythvideo? I lived with it for a while so it's ok if it takes a while to come accross a hint. |
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| [00:15:31] | darkstarbyte: | I wonder how to tell how far it is in its commercial flagging? |
| [00:24:34] | kormoc: | check the status page |
| [00:28:07] | darkstarbyte: | status page? |
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| [00:46:54] | sphery: | darkstarbyte: mythweb's Backend Status or just go to http://masterhostname:6544/Status/GetStatusHTML |
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| [00:47:56] | darkstarbyte: | The link did not work. |
| [00:49:00] | sphery: | I'm guessing you just need to look closely at/read the link |
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| [00:51:46] | darkstarbyte: | oh |
| [00:57:42] | darkstarbyte: | be right back |
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| [01:04:44] | darkstarbyte: | I will figure this out later the. |
| [01:04:48] | darkstarbyte: | then* |
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| [02:06:24] | iondiode: | just installed mythbuntu 12.04 32 bit, i'd like to use firefox as my browser, I can get it to launch, but it doesn't understand the protocol mythtv:// |
| [02:06:46] | tgm4883: | iondiode, why would it? |
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| [02:10:48] | iondiode: | so sorry, had a phone call right at that second. |
| [02:11:38] | iondiode: | tgm4883: Well I thought that's why it was an option, and i was following the instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Firefox |
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| [02:13:00] | tgm4883: | iondiode, that doesn't have anything to do with the myth:// protocol |
| [02:13:19] | tgm4883: | that is just talking about using firefox as the mythbrowser, rather than the default browser |
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| [02:14:02] | iondiode: | tgm4883: but that is what %URL% is being passed in as |
| [02:14:50] | tgm4883: | iondiode, from what? |
| [02:14:53] | iondiode: | tgm4883: if i put /usr/bin/firefox %URL% , firefox gets passed a mythtv:// link |
| [02:14:57] | iondiode: | mythnetvision |
| [02:15:09] | pcluser: | greetings, what folder/file is the channel by channel configuration in? Is it human readable? |
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| [02:15:32] | tgm4883: | iondiode, that seems odd, but IDK enough about mythnetvision to know if that is working correctly |
| [02:15:43] | tgm4883: | pcluser, that is in the database I would think |
| [02:16:19] | iondiode: | tgm4883: cool, thanks for your help though. I guess I'll have to dig in a bit more, cheers. |
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| [02:16:37] | pcluser: | So I just can't pull stuff off a retired drive from a myth box? |
| [02:16:55] | pcluser: | config file or whatever |
| [02:17:07] | pcluser: | whatever happened to channels.conf? |
| [02:17:09] | tgm4883: | pcluser, probably not, but it might help to know exactly what you are trying to do, rather than help you with what you think you need to do |
| [02:17:14] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has never used a channels.conf |
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| [02:17:35] | wagnerrp: | all internal configuration for mythtv is stored in the database |
| [02:17:52] | wagnerrp: | generally the only external configuration file is the one that tells mythtv how to access the database |
| [02:19:29] | pcluser: | After running a scan from my basic cable, I am able to manually use time and date to record, but the listings menu is full of repettive junk programming. ABC,PBS, etc don't show programming in list. The tuning channels are correct, as is the xmltv #. |
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| [02:20:05] | tgm4883: | pcluser, where do you get data from? |
| [02:20:19] | pcluser: | from SD. |
| [02:21:05] | tgm4883: | if you get data from SD, and you are telling me there is junk in your guide data, then either A) you don't have the right XMLID setup for each channel, or B) you've got EIT scanning on your cards or C) something else |
| [02:21:14] | pcluser: | I might think the cable co was pulling tricks, but it was perfect till my Dragon V1.0 box died. |
| [02:21:20] | wagnerrp: | any possibility you have EIT enabled, and its overwriting the SD information with junk data? |
| [02:22:15] | pcluser: | wagnerrp, I did see eit enabled at one point, but make sure the boxes are not clicked when trying to edit channels. |
| [02:23:09] | pcluser: | I don't know if the system enabled them, or I clicked them by mistake, as it is hard to see prompt box around them. |
| [02:24:06] | pcluser: | But those were my thoughts exactly, I re-ran scans, made sure eit was unchecked when editing names, and ran mythfill as usual... |
| [02:24:59] | pcluser: | Somehow NBC olymoics scedule is only major channel that shows correct listings. |
| [02:25:40] | pcluser: | PBS etc are blank, but show the correct xmltv number, and I can manually record them by time. |
| [02:27:17] | pcluser: | On another tangent, how much memory does myth usually take? with just the backend recording Olympics, it is taking 3 of my 4 gigs. |
| [02:27:37] | pcluser: | without the video player going... |
| [02:28:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, should be more like 30–40MB |
| [02:28:24] | pcluser: | yikes |
| [02:28:44] | wagnerrp: | right now, im sitting at 22.5MB |
| [02:29:11] | pcluser: | I had 2 gigs in and it was hitting the swap. |
| [02:29:17] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend usually eats a whole lot more, anywhere from 200MB to up to a GB |
| [02:31:25] | pcluser: | ok, backend is 30 something, wonder were the rest is eaten up... TOP doesn't show anything much used in the list, just in the total at the top of the window. |
| [02:31:40] | tgm4883: | pcluser, you mention this is a new box, what OS |
| [02:31:59] | wagnerrp: | the 'size' value might be a few hundred MB for mythbackend |
| [02:32:06] | wagnerrp: | but the 'res' value is the amount its actually using |
| [02:32:24] | pcluser: | Mythbuntu, 12.04, amd64 bit version. |
| [02:32:32] | tgm4883: | pcluser, are you using mythbuntu repos? |
| [02:32:40] | tgm4883: | or the stock repos |
| [02:32:52] | pcluser: | yes tgm4883 per checking last night |
| [02:33:24] | tgm4883: | ok so you aren't falling into the mysql issue then |
| [02:33:25] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [02:33:39] | ** pcluser goes to check, ** | |
| [02:34:03] | pcluser: | yes, i enabled them last night... |
| [02:34:15] | pcluser: | ran synaptic upgrade, etc. |
| [02:34:20] | tgm4883: | and updated then upgraded? |
| [02:35:04] | pcluser: | I started with latest 12.04 amd 64 iso, then updated, then turned on mythtv extra stuff in command center. |
| [02:35:26] | tgm4883: | whats the full version from 'dpkg -l mythtv-backend' |
| [02:35:56] | pcluser: | or maybe the mythtv I enabled before the update, in any case it seemed satisfied. |
| [02:37:03] | pcluser: | $ dpkg -l mythtv-backend |
| [02:37:03] | pcluser: | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| [02:37:03] | pcluser: | | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| [02:37:03] | pcluser: | |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| [02:37:03] | pcluser: | ||/ Name Version Description |
| [02:37:04] | pcluser: | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| [02:37:06] | pcluser: | ii mythtv-backend 2:0.25.2+fixes A personal video recorder application (serve |
| [02:37:08] | pcluser: | pcluser@dragon-mythbu:~$ |
| [02:37:11] | tgm4883: | :( |
| [02:38:13] | pcluser: | should I have used pastebin for that? |
| [02:38:59] | tgm4883: | so that isn't the full version, and you should probably just give me the line that starts with ii. Please expand out the terminal window when running that |
| [02:40:15] | pcluser: | ii mythtv-backend 2:0.25.2+fixes.201207 A personal video recorder application (server) |
| [02:40:30] | tgm4883: | close enough |
| [02:40:35] | tgm4883: | so that is a recent build |
| [02:40:59] | tgm4883: | so unless wagnerrp knows whats going on, IDK |
| [02:41:32] | wagnerrp: | there were some issues with mythlogserver eating memory a bit back, but nothing im aware of in 0.25 |
| [02:42:50] | pcluser: | YOP only shows the total being huge, the mythbackend, etc show like 1.7% |
| [02:43:01] | pcluser: | *TOP |
| [02:43:20] | wagnerrp: | could you show us the Mem: and Swap: lines from top? |
| [02:43:25] | pcluser: | k |
| [02:45:55] | ** tgm4883 recommends pastebinit ** | |
| [02:46:07] | wagnerrp: | for two lines, go ahead and paste them in here |
| [02:46:42] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, yea that isn't bad, but it's pretty easy to just do 'top -n 1 | pastebinit' |
| [02:47:02] | wagnerrp: | or... -n5 |
| [02:47:20] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, that could work, but you'd get a pretty long log |
| [02:47:31] | wagnerrp: | five lines |
| [02:47:37] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [02:47:45] | tgm4883: | no, -n is iterations |
| [02:47:50] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking top | head -n 5 |
| [02:48:13] | pcluser: | http://pastebin.com/YrT71XnL |
| [02:49:12] | wagnerrp: | youre only using 550MB of memory |
| [02:49:40] | wagnerrp: | barely an eighth of what you have installed |
| [02:49:55] | pcluser: | hey, a zombie! |
| [02:50:12] | tgm4883: | ? |
| [02:51:12] | pcluser: | 4049204k total, 3940448k used, 108756k free |
| [02:51:40] | wagnerrp: | moire importantly... 3380756k cached |
| [02:51:47] | tgm4883: | oh snap |
| [02:53:08] | wagnerrp: | pcluser: linux always uses all the memory |
| [02:53:16] | wagnerrp: | any memory not used is memory wasted |
| [02:53:31] | pcluser: | oh. |
| [02:53:31] | wagnerrp: | however most memory just gets shuffled around as disk cache for whatever the last thing you read was |
| [02:53:50] | wagnerrp: | when you actually need the memory for applications, the cache gets dumped, and the applications pick it up |
| [02:53:55] | tgm4883: | free memory is wasted memory |
| [02:54:03] | wagnerrp: | when you close applications, the cache fills back up |
| [02:54:26] | pcluser: | ok, thanks for wasting your time... |
| [02:55:28] | pcluser: | Picture was breaking up a lot with 2GB of memory, and it was using swap, so I put 2g more in. |
| [02:59:25] | pcluser: | I'm getting a 6g/s sata drive tomorrow, don't know if this Dell c521 will use it, but. |
| [03:01:28] | pcluser: | Now in my front end machine status, it says 3.7gb used, and 1.0xx swap file being used... |
| [03:02:19] | wagnerrp: | could you post `top` again? |
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| [03:04:47] | pcluser: | this is with the frontend running, showing machine status: http://pastebin.com/Zfqc3ihV |
| [03:05:13] | wagnerrp: | still mostly disk cache |
| [03:05:38] | pcluser: | why is it using the swap? |
| [03:05:52] | wagnerrp: | who cares, its a meg and a half |
| [03:06:02] | pcluser: | ok |
| [03:08:13] | pcluser: | I'll have to read up on Linux cache stuff... |
| [03:08:33] | wagnerrp: | basically, anything you read off the disk gets put in cache |
| [03:08:44] | wagnerrp: | it remains in cache until something newer pushes it back out |
| [03:09:08] | wagnerrp: | the assumption being if youve read it before, youre likely to read it again |
| [03:15:19] | pcluser: | Well thanks for the help. Soon I'll dig up my other hdhomerun, get a new PSU for the Mythic Dragon box, and dig up my DD or clonezilla of 10.04 I have on some drive... |
| [03:15:19] | pcluser: | Right now, since putting in a total of 4GB memory, it is not breaking up, and I can record the Olympics. It porked trying to do it and my wife's program at same time with 2GB. |
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| [03:22:22] | wagnerrp: | "it" was likely caused by something else, as ive not heard of any memory consumption issues in recent history |
| [03:22:31] | wagnerrp: | certainly nothing that would cause problems with 2GB |
| [03:22:53] | wagnerrp: | you arent by chance recording to the same drive that holds your mysql database are you? |
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| [04:47:33] | darkstarbyte: | I think I farked up something with my recording. |
| [04:47:48] | darkstarbyte: | I can't get it to transcode, with mythtranscode |
| [04:48:12] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, you really dont want mythtranscode to transcode anything |
| [04:49:13] | wagnerrp: | lossless is fine, but then there is no such thing as lossless transcoding, and in that mode, all you're doing is cleaning up the video around the cutpoints |
| [04:49:38] | wagnerrp: | if you're actually transcoding, then mythtranscode is limited to RTJPEG and MPEG4 ASP |
| [04:51:19] | darkstarbyte: | How would I do the lossless encoding that strips the commercials? |
| [04:51:44] | wagnerrp: | go into the recording/transcoding profiles, and set one up for lossless |
| [04:51:54] | wagnerrp: | there is not one configured by default |
| [04:52:01] | wagnerrp: | most people just use the Autodetect MPEG2 |
| [04:52:17] | wagnerrp: | there should be a checkbox to enable lossless |
| [04:52:26] | wagnerrp: | which should in turn disable all other options |
| [04:52:42] | darkstarbyte: | ok, but how would I convert the file after doing all of this? |
| [04:53:16] | wagnerrp: | go into edit mode using 'e', make a cutlist |
| [04:53:35] | wagnerrp: | then just tell mythtv to transcode using whatever profile you set up |
| [04:54:12] | darkstarbyte: | Should I mention that mythtv can't see my file anymore since I added my 1.5 terabyte hard drive? |
| [04:54:20] | wagnerrp: | youre not actually converting anything, just chopping those cut sections out of the video |
| [04:55:01] | wagnerrp: | the file must be named the same, and must be in the root of one of the directories for that storage group |
| [04:55:32] | wagnerrp: | technically, that second part isnt true, as it will fall through to checking any directory for any storage group defined either on that host or the master backend |
| [04:55:35] | darkstarbyte: | I did not change the name, and the default storage is at /mnt/store |
| [04:55:46] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, all thats left is file permissions |
| [04:55:54] | wagnerrp: | this was an external drive? |
| [04:56:25] | darkstarbyte: | No this was before I added that, perhaps I think it can't find the hard coded one because I set it to my external drive? |
| [04:56:44] | wagnerrp: | hard coded? |
| [04:56:52] | darkstarbyte: | Don't mind the first part of my sentence. |
| [04:57:06] | darkstarbyte: | That is what the default is right? |
| [04:57:09] | wagnerrp: | what hard coded what? |
| [04:57:46] | darkstarbyte: | The directory is not in a config file, but in the code for mythtv. |
| [04:58:17] | wagnerrp: | there are some special storage groups that are hard coded, but none of them are used for storage of recordings |
| [04:58:38] | wagnerrp: | things like temporary directories, directories for downloaded themes, etc... |
| [04:59:10] | darkstarbyte: | oh |
| [04:59:54] | wagnerrp: | recordings will be stored to the Default storage group if not specified otherwise, but there are no hard coded paths built into MythTV for the Default storage group |
| [05:00:10] | wagnerrp: | when you first set up MythTV, it is completely blank |
| [05:00:27] | darkstarbyte: | hold on |
| [05:00:51] | wagnerrp: | i asked about the external drive for a specific reason, if this could help... |
| [05:01:10] | wagnerrp: | external drives are typically things like fat32 or ntfs, things that dont fit well with POSIX user accounts |
| [05:01:25] | wagnerrp: | so when they get mounted, and particularly when automounted by various desktop environments |
| [05:01:38] | wagnerrp: | they are locked to access by only the account logged into that desktop environment |
| [05:01:47] | darkstarbyte: | My external drive is using ext4, because I can't stand losing a lot of data. |
| [05:02:07] | wagnerrp: | so... if your user account had been logged into the machine, and mythbackend was running as user mythtv, the backend would be unable to access those paths |
| [05:02:21] | wagnerrp: | not sure if thats of any relevance |
| [05:02:52] | darkstarbyte: | ah |
| [05:03:33] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt be something you could just change permissions to fix, it would be something you would have to remount the drive and supply different parameters to the filesystem drivers |
| [05:04:04] | darkstarbyte: | any user can access it. |
| [05:04:12] | darkstarbyte: | I set it up that way. |
| [05:04:22] | wagnerrp: | has the backend been restarted so it knows of those paths? |
| [05:04:38] | darkstarbyte: | yeah |
| [05:04:47] | wagnerrp: | not sure if thats necessary, but worth a try if nothing else works... |
| [05:05:08] | darkstarbyte: | I need to change the video library to my external drive also. |
| [05:06:05] | darkstarbyte: | oh, right now that olympics video was in /mnt/store/ |
| [05:06:17] | darkstarbyte: | not in the drive yet |
| [05:06:24] | wagnerrp: | one last thing, you should never use the root of a filesystem for storage |
| [05:06:47] | wagnerrp: | if you use the root, and the disk is not mounted, that directory will still exist and mythtv will still try to use it |
| [05:06:56] | wagnerrp: | potentially filling some disk you do not want to use |
| [05:07:16] | darkstarbyte: | That sounds really dangerous. |
| [05:10:07] | darkstarbyte: | My external disk has a 10 second start up delay, will this affect recordings? |
| [05:10:36] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt |
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| [05:13:08] | darkstarbyte: | If I had a good working knowledge of xvid options I might now of a way to lose bitrate without to much noticeable difference. |
| [05:14:10] | wagnerrp: | or... not |
| [05:14:24] | wagnerrp: | XviD is just an implementation of MPEG4 ASP, same stuff mythtranscode itself will do |
| [05:15:18] | wagnerrp: | and is only good for maybe 30% improvement in compressibility on MPEG2 at the same quality |
| [05:15:34] | wagnerrp: | H264 was only designed to be roughly twice the compressibilty as MPEG2 |
| [05:16:04] | darkstarbyte: | but at almost triple the computations of MPEG4 part 2 |
| [05:16:36] | wagnerrp: | computers are more powerful, hardware ASICs more dense |
| [05:17:00] | wagnerrp: | H265 will probably be a doubling of the same |
| [05:17:18] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which, they were scheduled to have an initial draft of that out some time this year.... |
| [05:17:43] | darkstarbyte: | When h.265 releases, I am going to get the hardware accerated encoder. |
| [05:18:22] | wagnerrp: | if you can find one with good linux support, go for it |
| [05:18:46] | darkstarbyte: | The people who made theora, are making a codec that should compete with h.264. |
| [05:19:04] | wagnerrp: | snow? |
| [05:19:23] | darkstarbyte: | I believe it is still unamed. |
| [05:19:29] | wagnerrp: | Snow is really a completely different beast from h264 |
| [05:19:31] | darkstarbyte: | unnamed* |
| [05:19:52] | darkstarbyte: | of course |
| [05:20:07] | darkstarbyte: | I am just saying it is supposed to compete with it later. |
| [05:20:40] | wagnerrp: | wavelet based rather than discrete cosine based, and other mind numbing mathematics |
| [05:20:42] | darkstarbyte: | That is the goal. |
| [05:21:07] | darkstarbyte: | Can't wait to see the spec on it. |
| [05:21:28] | wagnerrp: | problem is competing with h264 is half a decade too late |
| [05:22:20] | wagnerrp: | a completely open codec would be nice, but if its not "better" in some way, youre not going to see much hardware integration |
| [05:22:20] | darkstarbyte: | Yeah, but most people won't want to encode with an i7 at a rate of 0.5fps |
| [05:23:02] | wagnerrp: | too many companies that actually make the hardware have a vested interest in keeping MPEG around |
| [05:24:34] | darkstarbyte: | I was trying to make a spec for specific kinds of animations, but I don't know enough calculus to reduce the logical computations. |
| [05:24:41] | wagnerrp: | wait, did snow get scrapped? |
| [05:24:53] | darkstarbyte: | I really think it was |
| [05:24:57] | darkstarbyte: | I can go ask. |
| [05:26:17] | wagnerrp: | i know the calculus, the discrete solutions for partial differential equations and linear algebra arent all that different |
| [05:26:23] | wagnerrp: | i just really hate doing that stuff |
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| [05:27:43] | darkstarbyte: | I suppose I could write my draft and publish it, but the codec will never get any hardware acceleration. |
| [05:28:01] | darkstarbyte: | Release not publish. |
| [05:30:08] | wagnerrp: | google cant possibly be down, can they? |
| [05:30:39] | darkstarbyte: | For a couple of seconds at a time usually. |
| [05:30:45] | darkstarbyte: | time, * |
| [05:30:46] | wagnerrp: | odd... multiple searches were sitting idle for minutes, but loaded the moment i brought up the homepage |
| [05:33:52] | darkstarbyte: | The ffmpeg people got bored of snow they said in theora. |
| [05:34:00] | darkstarbyte: | snow, * |
| [05:34:31] | wagnerrp: | not to mention dirac came out, royalty-free and open source |
| [05:34:51] | darkstarbyte: | bleh, dirac barely competes with mpeg4 part 2 |
| [05:35:06] | darkstarbyte: | of was it mpeg 2, I can't remember. |
| [05:35:12] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression snow was still pretty primitive as well |
| [05:35:36] | darkstarbyte: | yeah it was, they stopped working on it, daala is the one I was thinking of. |
| [05:35:52] | darkstarbyte: | Though daala is not completely up to the testing spec. |
| [05:36:02] | wagnerrp: | does anyone really use wavelet compression commercially? |
| [05:36:22] | wagnerrp: | i mean the only thing i can think of is digital cinema uses sequences of JPEG2000 |
| [05:36:29] | darkstarbyte: | Small businesses, but not commercially. |
| [05:36:39] | wagnerrp: | but ive never seen anyone else use jpeg2000 |
| [05:36:51] | wagnerrp: | everyone else just stuck to plain old jpg |
| [05:36:57] | darkstarbyte: | That is supposed to be worse than mpeg2 |
| [05:38:26] | darkstarbyte: | jpg frames that your supposed to put together. |
| [05:38:34] | wagnerrp: | daala? or mjpeg2k? |
| [05:38:46] | wagnerrp: | well of course it is, no intraframe coding |
| [05:38:54] | wagnerrp: | all completely independent frames |
| [05:39:38] | wagnerrp: | but it also means any artifacts or corruption doesnt get smeared over time |
| [05:39:40] | darkstarbyte: | daala still has a long way to go, before it can compete with its goal. |
| [05:40:15] | wagnerrp: | and when you're delivering movies physically on hard drive, or through a massive internet downlink, and storing them on a pricey disk array, size isnt a big issue |
| [05:40:33] | darkstarbyte: | wagnerrp, true, but at that point you might as well use y4m. |
| [05:41:00] | wagnerrp: | not heard of that one |
| [05:41:06] | darkstarbyte: | It is a raw format. |
| [05:41:17] | darkstarbyte: | no compression. |
| [05:41:35] | wagnerrp: | no reason to use raw, may as well use some kind of entropy compressor |
| [05:42:04] | darkstarbyte: | I compressed a raw movie with xz nine and got about the same performance as mpeg2. |
| [05:42:22] | darkstarbyte: | xz -9* |
| [05:42:58] | darkstarbyte: | I thought it was pathetic. |
| [05:44:07] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt sound right... |
| [05:44:22] | darkstarbyte: | animation. |
| [05:44:26] | darkstarbyte: | not film. |
| [05:44:30] | wagnerrp: | i mean mpeg2 usually runs what... 15–20x the compression of the 4:2:0 source? |
| [05:44:38] | wagnerrp: | oh, so all cell shaded |
| [05:44:51] | darkstarbyte: | yeah, kind of. |
| [05:45:15] | wagnerrp: | well for that, you may as well come up with some kind of motion vector format |
| [05:45:25] | wagnerrp: | make it more rendered on the fly, rather than decompressed |
| [05:46:41] | wagnerrp: | skip all that geometric transform nonsense entirely, and just come up with a nice spline and shading algorithm |
| [05:46:57] | darkstarbyte: | I had one. |
| [05:47:04] | darkstarbyte: | for my codec |
| [05:47:32] | darkstarbyte: | If the colors were within this certain range and next to each other, then count them as the same. |
| [05:47:50] | wagnerrp: | well thats going to make some nasty banding |
| [05:48:33] | wagnerrp: | unless you did some hinted smoothing in postprocessing |
| [05:48:34] | darkstarbyte: | The range was 5, and most formats go upto 256 colors, per plane. |
| [05:49:25] | darkstarbyte: | each plane had to match within a certain range, but the codec never left the ground. |
| [05:49:56] | darkstarbyte: | I had it set up to a point that it would use 40+GB of ram. |
| [05:51:10] | darkstarbyte: | In my calculations at least. |
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| [05:52:31] | darkstarbyte: | I called it the if statement codec from hell. |
| [05:52:43] | darkstarbyte: | call* |
| [05:53:12] | wagnerrp: | probably would have done nicely on a GPU |
| [05:53:47] | darkstarbyte: | I had to modify it, because it originally was set to use only one core. |
| [05:54:03] | darkstarbyte: | Who in the right mind has 40GBs of ram? |
| [05:54:16] | darkstarbyte: | Way to much money for right now. |
| [05:54:29] | wagnerrp: | take a frame, overlay it with itself offset by up to five pixels, make a comparison map, repeat a couple dozen times |
| [05:54:42] | wagnerrp: | very simple task, huge amount of data, ideal for a GPU |
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| [05:55:02] | darkstarbyte: | That was not the complicated part that takes so many if statements |
| [05:55:22] | darkstarbyte: | It was the check the video for repeating frames, and scenes that got it. |
| [05:56:18] | darkstarbyte: | then put everything into a 3 dimensional array. |
| [05:57:14] | darkstarbyte: | 5 to 6 dimensions if the rest of the codec would hold up |
| [05:57:40] | darkstarbyte: | then a 2 dimensional array to keep track of what pixels have already been accounted for. |
| [05:58:47] | darkstarbyte: | I suppose more of it could have been reduced to more simple functions. |
| [06:00:41] | darkstarbyte: | The idea was to complicated for implementation of my skill. |
| [06:00:57] | darkstarbyte: | with my skill* |
| [06:01:04] | wagnerrp: | take heart in the fact that no one else has done it either |
| [06:01:19] | wagnerrp: | not the encoding side of it anyway |
| [06:03:46] | darkstarbyte: | Perhaps if I release the spec, someone will. It might make some companies mad that they would have to make non-rectangular polygons differently. |
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| [06:10:12] | darkstarbyte: | I wish I would have spent that month making one that would have been usable. |
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| [06:17:47] | darkstarbyte: | I guess myth will crash every time I try to use it to view videos. |
| [06:18:00] | darkstarbyte: | Along with everything else. |
| [06:18:13] | darkstarbyte: | I guess that is what I get for running 0.24.1 |
| [06:20:06] | wagnerrp: | only thing ive heard of that will cause that is using a playback profile that attempts to use XvMC, along with ATI graphics and drivers, which triggers a bug in said drivers that causes them to implode and take the X server along for the ride |
| [06:22:29] | darkstarbyte: | I can't even use the basic command line once it happens. |
| [06:23:36] | darkstarbyte: | I am thinking of building a new computer, I don't have to deal with these stupid Intel drivers. |
| [06:23:45] | darkstarbyte: | I know they are at fault for this. |
| [06:23:57] | darkstarbyte: | so I don't* |
| [06:24:46] | darkstarbyte: | I don't want to spend to much money on it. |
| [06:24:51] | darkstarbyte: | multicore perhaps. |
| [06:25:38] | darkstarbyte: | I just want a fast and quite computer. |
| [06:25:51] | darkstarbyte: | Then I can set up mythtv again, with my card. |
| [06:27:03] | darkstarbyte: | I don't know, perhaps I can get one used. |
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| [06:44:32] | darkstarbyte: | Good night, and thanks for your time wagnerrp. |
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| [08:28:28] | lautriv: | morning :) |
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| [11:35:31] | lautriv_: | ok, status is telling me slave1 is connected and idle ( no recordings ) but if i select a source from that box, frontend hangs with a black picture. suggestions to check that ? |
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| [13:24:13] | hR13: | Hi I just made a test install of mythtv 0.25 via mythbuntu 12.04 and my Novo T-500 card remote only responds to number keys and the arrows not the OK button, Play button etc. the lircrc and lircd.conf looks ok. when I test the remote with "irw" same thing response to number keys and arrow keys but nothing else... any one with suggestions on what might be the problem ? |
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| [13:41:31] | SteveGoodey: | hR13: You are using the correct files for the logged in user? |
| [13:43:34] | SteveGoodey: | Also you might find this useful. http://linhes.org/attachments/631/LinHES-Remote-ArchV9.1.JPG |
| [13:45:00] | SteveGoodey: | Also http://wyliecoyoteuk.wordpress.com/2012/01/30 . . . htv-remotes/ |
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| [13:47:28] | hR13: | SteveGoodey, I have the /etc/lircd/lircd.conf and the lircrc in the .mythtv/ folder for the current user |
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| [13:50:59] | SteveGoodey: | hR13: Just to be sure you could do a search for those files in other locations. |
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| [13:52:25] | hR13: | SteveGoodey, I will, Im just reading your second link and that looks interesting |
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| [16:23:40] | hR13: | SteveGoodey, thanks for your help, I haven't gotten it sorted yet but there seemes to be more ppl having problems with the lirc module on ubuntu/mythbuntu 12.04. |
| [16:26:02] | SteveGoodey: | No problem. I have a feeling there's a basic remote driver in the kernel that only does a small number of keys, as opposed to LIRC which can be configured to do a bigger range. I maybe mistaken! |
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| [18:36:17] | bill6502: | If memory serves, skd5aner had commitments preventing him from doing the 0.26 release notes. So, I've made an (ultra/uber) abbreviated version. Before I press 'Save page", is it fair to say that there are no "Key New Features"? |
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| [19:00:28] | sphery: | bill6502: definitely a good start--chances are some of the devs will come up with some ideas to add with it |
| [19:00:46] | sphery: | so even if we decide to call something a key new feature, we can add it in |
| [19:00:52] | sphery: | bill6502: and huge thanks for the help |
| [19:01:19] | sphery: | and probably worth a mention in #mythtv and/or mythtv-dev list so devs know to check it out and update it |
| [19:07:59] | lautriv_: | status is telling me slave1 is connected and idle ( no recordings ) but if i select a source from that box, frontend hangs with a black picture. suggestions to check that ? |
| [19:12:22] | sphery: | what's in the frontend and backend logs? |
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| [19:15:27] | lautriv_: | sphery, frontend log didn't write anything, just hanging. backend not checked so far, actually searching a way for a dry-run /card-check via ssh. |
| [19:17:05] | lautriv_: | sphery, i have 2 machines which are absolute identical, just different cards and the other one is fine, so i assume some h/w related part. |
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| [21:17:06] | marc84384: | Nope, nothing yet. ;) |
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| [21:32:42] | frankster: | I have 4 dvb adapters all set to the same priority (1) and setup to record up to 5 channels at once on a multiplex. any idea why mythtv chooses to watch live tv and record on the same adapter? This locks livetv to a particular multiplex |
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| [21:48:11] | slartibartfast: | hi |
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| [21:49:33] | slartibartfast: | I'm look to setup a combined mythtv front & backend machine to use as little power as possible |
| [21:50:07] | slartibartfast: | and I'm after opinions on what hardware to get |
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| [21:52:44] | wizbit: | is it possible to use random fanart for steppes narrow background? |
| [21:52:51] | wizbit: | if so what kind of symlink do i require |
| [21:53:27] | wizbit: | would this work: |
| [21:53:31] | wizbit: | ln -s /srv/video/mythvideo/fanart/* /home/mythtv/.mythtv/themes/Steppes-narrow/Backgrounds/ |
| [21:53:52] | frankster: | slartibartfast: raspberrypi will be really low power and will perform HD if you can restrict yourself to the codecs that are hardware decoded |
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| [21:58:59] | lautriv_: | frankster, sounds like you tested a raspberry on myth ? |
| [22:00:05] | devinheitmueller: | I would be very surprised if frankster got it working on the Pi. |
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| [22:01:04] | frankster: | I've looked into cos of the low power aspect but not tried it, people have reported success with XBMC |
| [22:02:02] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, but mythfrontend is a pig and as far for RAM as i know nobody has written the code to interact with the hardware decoder. |
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| [22:02:21] | devinheitmueller: | It *can* probably be made to work, but not without significant code changes. |
| [22:02:50] | ** lautriv_ wonders since a few months if it's suiteable to replace the frontends with R-Pi's, maybe the time will tell ;) ** | |
| [22:03:13] | devinheitmueller: | lautriv_: only if you're willing to fund several months worth of development. :-) |
| [22:04:18] | lautriv_: | devinheitmueller, already wasted that time to bring linux on an android-prone and failed on the first ( not in flash) stage |
| [22:05:10] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, it would require quite a bit of work by people who are both familiar with the codebase and familiar with the nuances of the hardware platform. |
| [22:06:39] | lautriv_: | i guess a good kernel-support for the graphics would be the hardest part. |
| [22:07:14] | devinheitmueller: | That would definitely be a large part. |
| [22:07:35] | lautriv_: | however, any good ideas to test a DVB-Card via commandline (ssh) |
| [22:07:40] | devinheitmueller: | Another would be that you would have to do a rather large project to profile and optimize the memory consumption, given how little RAM the platform has. |
| [22:08:14] | devinheitmueller: | You wouldn't be able to render the output, since DVB tends to be MPEG2 and the Pi platform only supports H.264. |
| [22:08:27] | frankster: | tzap to test it tunes ok |
| [22:08:48] | frankster: | ah i thought pi had more than h264 |
| [22:08:52] | devinheitmueller: | It should tune fine. The problem is displaying it. |
| [22:09:14] | frankster: | so you would need your backend to encode h264 |
| [22:09:15] | devinheitmueller: | The chip on hardware platform in theory supports other codecs, but due to licensing and royalty issues, the only supported codec is H.264. |
| [22:09:16] | frankster: | ! |
| [22:09:31] | frankster: | I hope/expect someone will reverse engineer it sooner or later |
| [22:09:35] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, it is not intended to be used to decode MPEG2. |
| [22:09:51] | devinheitmueller: | The codec firmware is not supplied for the chip. |
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| [22:10:07] | devinheitmueller: | It's not a question of "unlocking" the MPEG2. There is actually microcode that needs to be loaded into the chip. |
| [22:10:41] | frankster: | at some point maybe a proprietary device will be made that uses the chip |
| [22:11:36] | frankster: | maybe ppl will get clues by looking at how the h264 works as well |
| [22:11:52] | frankster: | cos I assume a lot will be in common for teh unsupported codecs |
| [22:11:53] | lautriv_: | frankster, is there a debian-package containing tzap ? ( bad question but former mythtv was always running fine so i never needed it ) |
| [22:12:08] | frankster: | ye |
| [22:12:09] | frankster: | i have it installed |
| [22:12:14] | frankster: | erm let me just find the command |
| [22:12:30] | frankster: | to see what package provides a file |
| [22:12:35] | frankster: | dvb-apps |
| [22:12:37] | frankster: | is what you need |
| [22:13:59] | lautriv_: | i'll give it a shot ;) |
| [22:16:25] | lautriv_: | while it's installing .... myth is used to use /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 what is/may /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 be used to ? |
| [22:19:22] | lautriv_: | ok, got that ../dvr0 part |
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| [22:20:28] | lautriv_: | frankster, now i run in another problem, tzap needs channel_name and/or channel-list ? |
| [22:20:46] | frankster: | so there are some default channel lists set up if you know your transmitter |
| [22:21:09] | frankster: | so for example I use /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/uk-WinterHill |
| [22:21:24] | frankster: | but you could also scan for channels with another app in that package |
| [22:21:32] | frankster: | dvbscan i think |
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| [22:24:44] | lautriv_: | a bit confusing ... i found /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-19.2E but that is only containing the base-transponder ( which i use also in mythtv ) neither a channel_name nor a channel-list. |
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| [22:25:39] | lautriv_: | ( asking that dumb because my slave-backends have no man-db installed ) |
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| [22:35:04] | wagnerrp: | 'man-db'? |
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| [22:36:01] | lautriv_: | wagnerrp, yes to get a manual for the command(s) actually suggested. |
| [22:37:06] | lautriv_: | ok, looks bad (pasting here because just 2 lines) |
| [22:37:10] | wagnerrp: | mythtv hits all of those devices directly, it doesnt use any such external programs |
| [22:37:17] | lautriv_: | root@node300:~# dvbscan -out raw /tmp/x -adapter 0 -frontend 0 /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-19.2E |
| [22:37:17] | lautriv_: | Failed to set frontend |
| [22:37:23] | wagnerrp: | nor does it use external channel tables |
| [22:38:11] | lautriv_: | wagnerrp, my problem is the slave-backend#1 is listed as idle in status but selecting it's inputs leads ro a black screen and frontend hangs |
| [22:38:28] | wagnerrp: | pastebin your backend logs |
| [22:39:04] | lautriv_: | wagnerrp, needs a few minutes, have to force this behaviour... brb |
| [22:45:37] | lautriv_: | http://pastebin.com/NVCx4zc2 long story short : Device EOF detected which looks like "no input" to me |
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