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Sunday, July 22nd, 2012, 00:07 UTC
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[00:28:11] Captain_Murdoch: sentry02_, firebug was saying the main page was not loaded yet. when I looked at the html source, it stopped right after the gest starring line, which is also the last thing I'm seeing on the page. are you seeing similar?
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[00:49:24] skd5aner: trying to grab a backtrace and log of a mfe segfault when starting livetv – any recommendations for verbose levels for the logs?
[00:50:24] sentry02_: Captain_Murdoch, the page remains blank for the duration, then all of it appears at once. Nothing is missing, all the content is there.
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[01:08:30] JohnP789: I'd like to use MythTV's UPnP server to send photos to my DLNA TV. I currently have Recordings, Videos, and Music, and those work. Is there a way to add Images?
[01:08:47] [R]: the photos doesnt do upnp yet
[01:10:02] JohnP789: [R], I see. Is it possible to run a second UPnP server, like ushare or something, on the same box & network interface as MythTV's? Or, are there ports that one or the other needs to claim?
[01:10:17] [R]: probably would conflict, who knows
[01:10:19] [R]: give it a try
[01:10:56] JohnP789: I'm not even clear which ports MythTV's UPnP server is using. There's some kind of multicast magic involved somewhere.
[01:15:24] wagnerrp: you can disable mythtv's UPNP server and run your own
[01:15:46] wagnerrp: but there are generally troubles attempting to run multiple UPNP servers on the same machine
[01:15:58] wagnerrp: i can be done, but i don't think mythtv's server is designed to allow that
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[02:01:09] ballPointPenguin: Anybody have success with lirc on Ubuntu 12.04? Did you need to compile or did you just use provided packages?
[02:10:42] fafa88: ballPointPenguin: Yes, I got mine working last night with a mini mac remote.
[02:11:17] fafa88: ballPointPenguin: I just used the built packages.
[02:11:57] fafa88: ballPointPenguin: the only issue was the .lircrc file was sending the wrong keys to mythtv, so I had to change it.
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[02:13:06] ballPointPenguin: cool, fafa88
[02:14:29] ballPointPenguin: A lot of the 'literature' online on mythTV configuration seems pretty dated. Rather than fall down those rabbit holes I'm discovering that things work more smoothly now than they used to.
[02:15:08] fafa88: ballPointPenguin: yup the info is really dated. I find it with most things related to ubuntu also.
[02:15:41] fafa88: ballPointPenguin: However, you should fix up what you find wrong so that the next person can find hints.
[02:16:21] fafa88: ballPointPenguin: I spent hours on lirc only to figure out that it was using a different usb port, stumbled on some post on some obscure site.
[02:18:54] ballPointPenguin: Yeah. I should fulfill my Karma by posting an updated How-To for the noobs.
[02:20:38] fafa88: ballPointPenguin: mythtv should host an annual cleanup docs day.
[02:21:53] wagnerrp: feel free to have at it...
[02:22:03] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO or http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index
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[02:22:44] wagnerrp: the ones on the main page are a bit dated
[02:23:16] wagnerrp: the plan was they would get moved to the wiki, and then the wiki ones would be periodically rendered to a hard copy and put back on the main page
[02:23:25] wagnerrp: the second half hasnt yet happened
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[02:53:00] Sharky112065: good luck with documenting lirc. It is so different one Linux distro to the next and one kernel to the next...
[02:55:13] wagnerrp: ideally, the bulk of lirc gets stuffed into the kernel, and everyone just uses X events
[02:55:30] wagnerrp: but until X events are larger than one byte, thats not going to be a possibility
[02:56:12] Sharky112065: Only on 3.x kernels When I was on 2.x kernel it was not in the kernel.
[02:56:30] Sharky112065: It was a verry confusing ride for sure.
[02:56:44] wagnerrp: by that you mean, only on >= 2.6.37 kernels
[02:57:11] Sharky112065: I think I was on 2.6.35 then went to 3.something and it was in the kernel.
[02:57:48] Sharky112065: I'm a bit drunk right now, so probably not explaining it well enough
[02:59:52] Sharky112065: Debian was a mess, Ihad to use ubuntu's lirc when I was on 2.6.35. Then when I used the back ported 3.x kernel I installed the wheezy lirc.
[03:00:31] Sharky112065: 2.6.32–5 rather
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[03:02:01] Sharky112065: then went to 3.2.0–0
[03:02:25] Sharky112065: I'm just saying it will be a mess trying to document it.
[03:03:22] Sharky112065: 80% of the time I spent getting mythtv up and running the way I wanted it was on getting lirc to work correctly
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[03:04:33] Sharky112065: And then you have a multitude of different remotes to deal with as well...
[03:38:47] jya: fafa88: did you go with the 6 buttons?
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[04:33:13] fafa88: jya: stock mac reboot, 6 buttons, seems to be enough for my usage, worked for my normal usage cases.
[04:33:36] fafa88: jya: stock mac remote.
[04:33:38] jya: not sure how you're doing it with just 6 :)
[04:34:12] fafa88: I don't do much, just watch live tv mostly, no jumping around etc. I just need to change channels and select shows to watch :)
[04:34:56] fafa88: if I can navigate through the menus, it is enough :(
[04:35:42] jya: well, how do you exit though? up/down/left/right/ok/play/menu
[04:36:01] fafa88: up/down/right/esc/menu/enter
[04:36:06] jya: assuming menu is exit (like the atv)
[04:36:23] fafa88: the secret was the esc replacing the left cursor, that did it.
[04:37:41] jya: so you never rewind ? :)
[04:39:05] fafa88: haha, my backup remote is mythmote running on my android nexus phone, but I aways leave my phone away from where I need it and too lazy to get it most times.
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[04:45:06] fafa88: Over the last week, mythtv 0.25/fixes have been fairly stable for me, kudos to the developers for the fixes.
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[06:50:19] dekarl: jya, if we started rewinding we'd never make it through all recordings! ^^
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[09:46:37] GlemSom: I keep getting "RTCVideoSync: Could not set RTC frequency, Permission denied." – though /dev/rtc* has read/write permissions my the mythtv user. What else is needed for MythTV to set RTC frequency ?
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[10:39:51] Seeker`: which -v options should I pass to mythmetadatalookup to work out why it is failing without getting all the ref count logging?
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[10:48:21] Seeker`: hmm, anyone able to pastebin the output of 'locate tmdb'?
[10:52:27] Seeker`: nvm, fixed it
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[11:13:10] GlemSom: Tried a reboot, but same result... O/S wise, permissions are correct – but MythTV still fails to access RTC :(
[11:13:59] sphery: GlemSom: echo 1024 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq (and/or?) echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq
[11:14:09] sphery: probably currently at 64 (the default)
[11:14:22] sphery: that said, usleep is probably fine
[11:16:28] sphery: GlemSom: looks like this has some info: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frame_display_timi . . . pt_Frequency
[11:16:42] GlemSom: sphery, That gives me permission errors... thought I just needed /dev/rtc* fixed
[11:16:56] sphery: the echos need to be done as root (or with sudo)
[11:17:36] sphery: the problem is unprivileged users are only allowed to use a max freq of 64Hz
[11:17:58] sphery: mythtv needs more than that to use rtc
[11:20:53] GlemSom: That seemed to work, thanks :)
[11:21:13] sphery: enjoy
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[14:46:49] petethepirate: I am unable to submit my hardware profile. I don't get any usefull information, and can find nothing in google. The error it returns is 'Encountered a probile while submitting your hardware profile.' Frontend log is 'Locking input devices <CR>Unlock input devices' backend log is 'I ProcessRequest mainserver.cpp:1360 (HandleAnnounce) MainServer::ANN Monitor<CR>I ProcessRequest mainserver.cpp:1362 (HandleAnnounce)
[14:46:49] petethepirate: adding: brawley as a client (events: 0)' Any suggestions?
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[17:34:28] somazero: Greetings! I just finished setting up my first mythtv box/setup with an hdhomerun dual (with Gentoo). I'm assuming this is a settings error on my part, but I can't seem to use both tuners at the same time (watch one tuner and record on the other). Anyone mind pointing me in the right direction?
[17:34:41] wagnerrp: when you configure an HDHR, mythtv should autodetect your device and give you a list of what is available
[17:34:43] wagnerrp: did that happen?
[17:35:03] somazero: yes – I can watch live tv and record without a problem...
[17:35:10] somazero: and I can see both tuners from myth
[17:35:17] somazero: it seems it's just not using it
[17:35:40] wagnerrp: when you configure a digital tuner in mythtv, there is what are called "virtual tuners"
[17:35:46] wagnerrp: each digital tuner will show up as 1–5 virtual ones
[17:36:10] wagnerrp: meaning it allows you to record up to 5 channels simultaneously on the one physical tuner, so long as those channels are on the same multiplex, or physical channel
[17:36:25] wagnerrp: perhaps is that what you are seeing, and mistaking it for both tuners being defined
[17:36:32] wagnerrp: on the HDHR, you have to set up both tuners independently
[17:36:38] wagnerrp: mythtv doesnt automatically grab both
[17:36:54] somazero: I did – had to do both seperately – I saw that via some wiki searches...
[17:37:23] somazero: Haven't seen much about the virtual tuner, though
[17:37:32] wagnerrp: search for multirec
[17:38:18] wagnerrp: mythtv will just choose the first available tuner
[17:38:36] wagnerrp: if that tuner is a virtual tuner, where another virtual tied to the same physical is already in use
[17:38:40] wagnerrp: it will be locked to that multiplex
[17:39:02] wagnerrp: older versions would require you to manually change inputs in order to change channels to one outside that multiplex
[17:39:06] wagnerrp: is that possibly what youre seeing?
[17:39:57] somazero: Well, I'll go back and check – I don't think it is, but I'd like to verify...I appreciate the help – I'll be back in a few...
[17:40:14] wagnerrp: could you explain in more detail what exactly you are seeing?
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[18:02:20] somazero: Well, there were some priorities that were both set to 0, so I set one to 1 and one to 2...Now, it seems to be working...I can record one show and watch another on a completely different channel – thus using the actual two tuners...
[18:02:50] somazero: Anyhow, I appreciate the help!
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[18:08:04] Sharky112065: Is there a good guide for compiling/installing/settingup mythweb for 0.25? Or should I just use the README and wing it?
[18:08:32] wagnerrp: no compiling needed, just copy it into your web root, and configure the database settings
[18:08:47] Sharky112065: ah ok. thanks will do.
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[19:32:13] wizbit: mythtv is rock solid now :D
[19:32:18] wizbit: so far anyhow
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[20:04:11] Sharky112065: hmm. having trouble getting mythweb up and running. I placed the mythweb directory in /var/www/html and modified the conf file to point to that directory. I placed the conf file where it said to put it and restarted apache. When I go to www.myaddress.com/mythweb I get a the directory displayed in the browser. If I go to www.myaddress.com/mythtv/mythweb.php, I get two mythtv links that
[20:04:11] Sharky112065: take me to url not found errors. Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
[20:05:11] Sharky112065: above I said www.myaddress.com/mythtv/mythweb.php, I ment www.myaddress.com/mythweb/mythweb.php
[20:05:42] wagnerrp: where did you get 'mythtv' and 'mythweb.php' from?
[20:05:51] Sharky112065: git
[20:06:02] Sharky112065: fixes/0.25
[20:06:16] wagnerrp: oh, you corrected it
[20:06:24] wagnerrp: anyway, dont hit mythweb.php directly
[20:06:28] wagnerrp: just go to /mythweb/
[20:07:06] Sharky112065: yeah, I tried that and I just get the directory listing in the browser. I have another php site that I do that and it works, but it has an index.php in the folder
[20:07:55] wagnerrp: mythweb operates differently from other php sites
[20:08:03] wagnerrp: it uses apache's rewrite rules to make clean URLs
[20:08:24] Sharky112065: I enabled all the modules it said to in the install file
[20:08:32] wagnerrp: which means you need apache to include the mythweb.conf in its configuration
[20:08:44] Sharky112065: and checked versions of apache, php, and pearl
[20:10:57] Sharky112065: I placed mythweb.conf in /etc/apache2/sites-available and typed e2ensite mythweb.conf. Then restarted apache
[20:11:39] Sharky112065: im sure its something simple, but I'm not seeing it
[20:12:09] wagnerrp: did you make the necessary directory changes in mythweb.conf?
[20:12:18] wagnerrp: did you give the database login/pass in mythweb.conf?
[20:12:27] Sharky112065: yep. for both the data directory and the default directory
[20:12:43] Sharky112065: yes to the database login/pass
[20:12:57] Sharky112065: I use the defaults and that is what was in the conf file
[20:14:15] Sharky112065: ill try remarking out the password stuff for authentication and see if it will run, but I dont think that is it because the main web page and or login page never comes up, all I get is the directory in the browser
[20:14:47] wagnerrp: whatever is wrong, those rewrite rules are not getting loaded by apache
[20:15:09] Sharky112065: ill try reenabling the modules again
[20:15:19] wagnerrp: got nothing to do with modules
[20:15:22] wagnerrp: its the rewrite engine
[20:16:24] Sharky112065: I could try just dumping it all in /var/www/html but I did not want to dump all my sites into one directory.
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[20:19:08] blscearce: In case anyone else is having the same difficulty I did (after upgrade to 0.25, episode list doesn't show recording date, just time):
[20:21:42] blscearce: Update recordings-ui.xml so that the recordings/buttonarea/buttonitem second textarea is not "shortdate" but rather "shortstarttimedate". Make its area wider, and remove the "starttime" textarea that follows
[20:29:52] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: SUCCESS.. it did not like the sym link
[20:31:01] Sharky112065: my root is /var/www/myaddress.com and I have a sym link to it as /var/www/html --> var/www/myaddress.com I changed the conf file to use the full path and it is working
[20:31:58] wagnerrp: not sure why your web root would be in /var, but meh...
[20:32:40] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: huh? all webroots normaly are /var/www/html arent they?
[20:32:51] wagnerrp: /var is for... variable data
[20:32:59] wagnerrp: web directories are typically not variable
[20:33:03] wagnerrp: and as such should not be in /var
[20:33:35] Sharky112065: Hmm. that is where debian set it up initially as did slackware when I was using that distro
[20:33:57] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: /var/www
[20:34:19] wagnerrp: well no one said they had to be sensible in their directory structure...
[20:34:32] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: ah ok :p
[20:34:57] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: anyway it was me using a sym link that was borking it
[20:38:04] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: hmm seems I need to create some sym links to my video directory for the video stuff to work
[20:40:39] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: although it is wiered, the first time I selectd the video icon, the videos came up, then when I selected a different sub video directory it gave me an error about needing a sym link and now no vido works
[20:41:01] wagnerrp: consider the video library access in mythweb broken
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[20:41:51] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: ah ok, so nothing im doing wrong on my end?
[20:42:05] wagnerrp: no
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[20:42:15] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: ok, thanks
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[20:47:58] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: recordedmarkup and recordedseek are listed as "Table is marked as crashed"; should I select the repair option in mythweb?
[20:48:12] wagnerrp: you could
[20:48:17] wagnerrp: better to ask why they are crashed
[20:48:32] wagnerrp: you run out of storage on a partition? your system crash at some point?
[20:48:40] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: I dont even know what they are
[20:48:47] wagnerrp: database table
[20:48:56] wagnerrp: means mysql faulted for some reason
[20:49:39] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: it has been recording my shows. maybe it got that way back when the backend was locking up due to that bad commit a while ago.
[20:49:57] wagnerrp: the database is completely independent from the backend
[20:50:11] wagnerrp: a database client (mythbackend) should be unable to cause a fault such as that
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[20:51:42] Sharky112065: I think maybe it happened when my ram overheated. at least I think I had my ram overheating. I did have my ccache get corrupted last week. Next time I open up the box, im going to put a fan on the ram
[20:52:02] wagnerrp: what speed memory?
[20:52:23] Sharky112065: ug.. ill have to look it up. sec.. it is slow.. not overclocked ram
[20:53:54] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231487 DDR3 1333
[20:54:23] wagnerrp: eew...
[20:55:05] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: yeah I know, its slow, but it has been working. I had a bad airconditoner that I just replaced, so it got really hot in here
[20:55:34] Sharky112065: it might not have even been the ram
[20:55:40] wagnerrp: slow? no... its decently fast
[20:55:44] wagnerrp: its off brand
[20:56:02] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: off brand? I always use Gskill RAM
[20:56:44] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: so should I tell it to repair or not?
[20:57:14] wagnerrp: gskill, patriot, etc... every time ive bought one of those "cheap performance" brands, it has always given me problems
[20:57:18] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: if it happens again, I will have to look closer at finding the problem, but I really think I had a heat issue
[20:57:57] wagnerrp: certain systems wont take it, memory runs hot, timings are screwy, incompatible with other sets
[20:58:02] wagnerrp: its always something or another
[20:58:41] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: I checked on the G.Skill site and they recommeded that ram for my motherboard (as in they had tested it)
[20:59:02] wagnerrp: what motherboard?
[20:59:10] wagnerrp: just the socket is sufficient
[20:59:11] fafa88: My CPU throttles sometimes, still works, I should think about replacing the fan :)
[20:59:36] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: I have in the last 5 years bought over 40 sticks of G.Skill ram and only ever had to RMA 2 sticks and that was early on in the 5 year period
[20:59:57] wagnerrp: oh, it works, it just behaves.... strangely
[21:00:13] wagnerrp: what socket is your motherboard?
[21:00:31] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274 with 8 core AMD
[21:01:36] wagnerrp: then claiming they support your motherboard is a croc
[21:01:52] wagnerrp: as the motherboard isnt providing anything beyond the electrical connections to the memory
[21:02:01] wagnerrp: the controller is in the CPU
[21:02:29] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: true
[21:02:38] wagnerrp: 8-core?
[21:02:45] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: yes
[21:03:10] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103960
[21:03:20] wagnerrp: i thought magnycours were all socket G or something
[21:03:53] Sharky112065: AM3+
[21:04:22] wagnerrp: thats not 8-core
[21:05:15] wagnerrp: its either 8-int or 4-module, but there is no structure in that CPU analogous to a "core"
[21:06:03] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: call it what you want, it is fast as hell and works for me
[21:06:06] wagnerrp: anyway, im just saying brands like gskill have always caused me some form of trouble
[21:06:46] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: so how do I fix the tables, do the repair tables option?
[21:07:00] wagnerrp: yeah, the repair tables in mythweb should do it
[21:07:16] wagnerrp: or mysqlchk, or mysqlrepair
[21:07:22] wagnerrp: any number of tools to do it
[21:07:31] wagnerrp: but its not something that should need to be done
[21:07:34] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: ok thanks, ill keep checking it. Im sure I had a heat issue though because after I replaced the AC, no more issues have cropped up.
[21:08:16] wagnerrp: i would find a day or two where you dont have any recordings, and run an long duration memtest
[21:08:25] wagnerrp: just boot into it and leave it
[21:08:37] wagnerrp: come back after a while and see if any errors have been reported
[21:09:31] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: will do, I ran a 4 day test on it 3 weeks ago when I built the sytem
[21:09:55] wagnerrp: that should have been sufficient...
[21:09:58] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: but something could have happened in that time
[21:10:10] wagnerrp: any chance the CPU itself is overheating?
[21:10:18] wagnerrp: those first gen bulldozers run hot
[21:10:43] wagnerrp: the module gating didnt work as well as AMD hoped
[21:10:44] messerting: Hi gurus. I've been fighting with CentOS 6.2 for a while now, and when I found http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10265 I though I'd just throw the distro out and start out fresh. What is the preferred distro among the devs?
[21:11:00] wagnerrp: the preferred distro is whatever one youre comfortable with
[21:11:05] Sharky112065: Something was messed up because I lost two drives on my raid arryay 2 days apart and both times I had to rebuild the array, and no problems using the same drives since I replaced the AC
[21:11:38] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: naw that is actuall running nice and cool even when the AC was not putting out enough cold air
[21:12:12] Sharky112065: I'm 98% confident that it was a heat issue
[21:12:30] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: as in ambient temp was too high
[21:14:45] messerting: I'd probably go for Linux Mint 13 then, (Ubuntu 12.04 based)
[21:15:14] wagnerrp: the issues people raise with CentOS/RHEL is just that its a long update cycle
[21:15:26] wagnerrp: youre stuck with old kernels and old software versions for several years
[21:16:02] wagnerrp: so if mythtv requires something newer, you either have to patch it in yourself, or you're stuck with an old version
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[21:16:51] messerting: wagnerrp: Yep, but I wanted it to be a bit more "static" than what I had when I ran Fedora (half year release cycle)
[21:17:05] messerting: But a ubuntu LTS release is good, or?
[21:17:21] wagnerrp: more or less the same problem
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[21:17:28] wagnerrp: if you want something static, its great
[21:17:41] wagnerrp: but then everything is static, potentially even things you dont want to be static
[21:18:46] Sharky112065: I think I will have the same issue with Debian Squeeze in future releases of mythtv
[21:19:12] Sharky112065: I'm already having to use backports on the forontend
[21:19:43] Sharky112065: the computer in the living room that is running frontend rather
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[21:23:35] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: how do I tell mythweb to use my favorites listing as the default?
[21:23:46] wagnerrp: eh?
[21:24:17] Sharky112065: In mythtv I have a favorite listing set up to only show the channels I like. I would like to see that listing on mythweb
[21:24:24] Sharky112065: instead of all the channels
[21:24:26] wagnerrp: im not sure if thats an option
[21:24:34] Sharky112065: crap
[21:26:21] Sharky112065: that might be a problem for me then. I have 7 channels that are duplicates. as in they are on both the hdhomeruns and the cetons.
[21:26:41] Sharky112065: and the callsigns are simarly named
[21:26:59] wagnerrp: wouldnt that just be two duplicates?
[21:27:12] Sharky112065: two for each channel
[21:27:19] Sharky112065: of the 7 channels
[21:27:24] wagnerrp: on HD and one SD?
[21:27:32] Sharky112065: all are hd
[21:27:41] wagnerrp: oh, you mean one encrypted, one unencrypted
[21:27:46] wagnerrp: right
[21:27:59] Sharky112065: correct
[21:28:05] wagnerrp: if they actually are the same channel, make the number and callsign match
[21:28:14] wagnerrp: mythtv will merge them
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[21:29:04] Sharky112065: I scanned the channels for the hdhomeruns then deleted out but 7 channels I use in the table, then fetched guide info for the cetons, so Ihave 7 channels on the hdhomerun that also are on the cetons, but I like to record off the hdhomeruns for those 7 channels
[21:29:39] Sharky112065: Then how will mythtv know to record those 7 channels first from hdhomeruns
[21:29:58] wagnerrp: when you define your tuners, define them before the cetons
[21:30:05] wagnerrp: they will automatically get used up before the cetons
[21:30:22] Sharky112065: Ok, ill give that a try.
[21:31:13] Sharky112065: ug this is gonna be a mess, I have 60 shows set to record on a regular basis that will have to be removed and recreated
[21:31:22] wagnerrp: why is that?
[21:31:57] Sharky112065: because while they have the same channel number, the callsign is a bit diffeent, or does mythtv only use the channel number for scheduling?
[21:32:26] wagnerrp: channel number is only used if you specifically tell mythtv to listen on that channel
[21:32:41] Sharky112065: I did
[21:32:52] wagnerrp: and then it uses the chanid, meaning it is restricted to only that channel on that video source
[21:32:56] wagnerrp: not matching ones on other video sources
[21:33:18] wagnerrp: unless you have good reason otherwise, all rules should just be record on any channel
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[21:33:45] Sharky112065: because I have sd channels as well and I do not want it recording a show on sd
[21:34:23] wagnerrp: so delete them, or dont given them an XMLTV ID number to pull data with
[21:37:36] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: guess this is what I will do, step one name the callsighns for those 7 channels the same in mythsetup and then try some recording testing to verify it will recored from the correct tuners. Delete all scheduled recordings. Then re add scheduled recordings
[21:38:00] Sharky112065: the hdhomeruns have a lower number than the cetons
[21:41:25] Sharky112065: i can run mythsetup with out stopping the backend right?
[21:41:42] wagnerrp: yes
[21:41:58] Sharky112065: ok, i have 4 hours to test this so guess ill get cracking
[21:48:36] Sharky112065: I should not need to re pull schedules direct data because those 7 channels use the same html id correct?
[21:49:10] wagnerrp: xmltvid
[21:49:31] Sharky112065: yeah sorry I ment xmlvid
[21:49:35] wagnerrp: and yes
[21:49:46] Sharky112065: ok thanks
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[21:59:21] KungFuJesus: Hello, why is it that in the upstream gentoo ebuild there are packages for mythtv .25.2 branch, but no corresponding ones for the plugins?
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[21:59:48] wagnerrp: there dont need to be?
[22:00:21] KungFuJesus: there do, though. In order to use something like say mytharchive, there is a direct dependency on mythtv-0.25.1
[22:00:23] wagnerrp: 0.25.2 is just a point release along the fixes/0.25 branch
[22:00:38] wagnerrp: the old plugins work just fine against the new core
[22:00:53] KungFuJesus: Then why do the ebuilds have the = dependency instead of >=?
[22:01:18] wagnerrp: oh, youre saying the packages themselves dont function because of the mismatch
[22:01:21] KungFuJesus: basically what I'm saying is there's an issue with the builds that makes portage refuse to build them
[22:01:24] KungFuJesus: yeah
[22:01:28] wagnerrp: not that the plugins cannot be loaded by the frontend
[22:01:34] KungFuJesus: exactly
[22:02:28] KungFuJesus: I'd like to use .25.2 as it probably contains some pretty important bugfixes, but I can't use any of the plugins with this artificial absolute version dependency
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[22:07:59] KungFuJesus: wagnerrp: the fix is trivial but I'd rather not make local modifications each and every time I sync, could you have a fix down the pipe?
[22:08:13] wagnerrp: nope
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[22:08:27] KungFuJesus: :(
[22:08:53] wagnerrp: i dont manage the upstream gentoo ebuilds
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[22:09:16] wagnerrp: not in my power to do anything about
[22:09:32] KungFuJesus: I don't mean portage upstream, I mean mythtv overlay upstream
[22:09:44] wagnerrp: oh, i could bump those
[22:09:53] KungFuJesus: sweet, thought you were the maintainer for those, haha
[22:10:03] wagnerrp: but there is no 0.25.2 ebuild there to have such problems with
[22:10:06] KungFuJesus: briefly remember telling you about a build issue when zlib changed the name of some of their macros
[22:10:18] wagnerrp: yeah, the mythgame stuff?
[22:10:29] KungFuJesus: yep
[22:10:33] wagnerrp: i actually thought the bump i did a few weeks ago had the patch included
[22:10:46] wagnerrp: but apparently i never copied it over from my testing overlay to the one tied to the repo
[22:11:51] KungFuJesus: ah damn, the 0.25.2 ebuild is being pulled from portage and not the overlay
[22:12:07] KungFuJesus: that's strange considering this overlay is usually more up to date
[22:12:24] wagnerrp: i need to fix my generator script
[22:12:37] wagnerrp: and havent been keeping it up to date as a result for the past few months
[22:13:06] KungFuJesus: alright, well I guess I'll stick with .25.1 until you've got a .25.2 ebuild in the works
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[22:16:47] KungFuJesus: at least you know to fix that dependency issue when the time comes now. I don't suppose you'd recommend mixing the mythtv overlay with the one in portage, would you?
[22:17:06] wagnerrp: shouldnt make much difference
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[22:48:10] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: i screwed up. deleted the channel group I had defined and now I cannot schedule any recordings becaause it cannot find it. Aparantly it will not just default to all channels
[22:48:26] wagnerrp: the video source?
[22:49:12] Sharky112065: no, previously I had a channel group setup "Favorites" and had that set as the default to show for guide data.
[22:49:31] Sharky112065: then I deleted it and now I cannot pull up any guide
[22:50:01] Sharky112065: Schedule Recordings --> Program Guide
[22:50:45] Sharky112065: I was showing a channel out of order so I deleted the Channel group that I had set up hoping it would fix it
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[22:51:52] Sharky112065: Channel Group " dosent have any channels defined...
[22:52:53] Sharky112065: All the channels are still in the table
[22:56:05] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: crap, I should not have tried this. now im stuck
[22:57:28] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: program guide will not come up on live tv either
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[23:22:54] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: OK, I forgot there was a setting in setup to set the default guide that comes up. got that fixed.
[23:23:35] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: The problem I was trying to fix is when viewing all channels they show in this order... 9, 10, 11, 111, 12, 13...
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[23:24:28] Sharky112065: wagnerrp: in setup, I have it set to sort by the channel number
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