Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, July 20th, 2012, 00:04 UTC

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Beirdo:

people are stupid.

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Beirdo:

especially ebay buyers who don't pay but mark "payment sent"

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Pocketflyer:

Hey folks...curious to know if this machine will work as master back/front end. Only has VGA port. Using hdhomerun dual. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_res . . . t_id=0388113

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wagnerrp:

Pocketflyer: little to no room for expansion, and an ancient graphics chip

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wagnerrp:

for a backend, you're going to be stuck with a bunch of external hard drives

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wagnerrp:

for a frontend, you're stuck with antique and unsupported hardware

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Pocketflyer:

Is there a list of Hardware or computers that would work well? Honestly I'm hoping for inexpensive.

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wagnerrp:

anything nvidia 8-series or better

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Pocketflyer:

Am I Better off going seperate machines for each or can it work well combined?

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wagnerrp:

you can make a nice combined machine

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wagnerrp:

but its a question of size and noise

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wagnerrp:

a bunch of tuner cards and hard drives takes up a lot of room

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wagnerrp:

a lot more than that tiny little case you listed there

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Pocketflyer:

Well I wasn't planning On having too many tuners. I'm just doing OTA and that's pretty limited.

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Pocketflyer:

But hard drives yes

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Pocketflyer:

Well gives me an idea. Really just hoping to get one set up by the olympics :)

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wagnerrp:

an alternative, big noisy combination machine... in another room

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wagnerrp:

shove it in another room, or another floor, run cables through the wall

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Pocketflyer:

Single room apartment here unfortunately. I can live with the noise. I have window fans on constantly here so...

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_1SheYode:

in the system status I get an error "Tuner 1 has an error". how do I see what's the error?

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ThisNewGuy2:

hey all – can anyone help me with: http://pastebin.com/9eMKUv23

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wagnerrp:

is this 0.26?

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ThisNewGuy2:

yes

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wisenuts:

is there a way to get season number and episode number from the recorded program? I am using schedulers direct

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . adata_Lookup

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wisenuts:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

ThisNewGuy2: likely some import issue, conflicting the modified 'datetime' with the python modified 'datetime'

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ThisNewGuy2:

thanks! So should I remove my import or do a different myth specific one?

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wagnerrp:

oh... i see it

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wagnerrp:

ThisNewGuy2: fixed and pushed

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wagnerrp:

note, if you are not doing a 'make uninstall' first, you will need to manually delete /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/MythTV/utility.py

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ThisNewGuy2:

awesome! Thanks for the super fast turn around – you're the best wagnerrp!

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wagnerrp:

careful with that

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wagnerrp:

there are likely to be some strange things going on with time zones

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wagnerrp:

i havent had a chance to do any testing on the tz aware datetime modification

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ThisNewGuy2:

k – I'm happy to test with my stuff!

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wagnerrp:

meaning, dont let it modify something without backing up first

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ThisNewGuy2:

k – my scripts are just for information not updating – thanks again!

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ThisNewGuy:

wagnerrp: I just updated and deleted the above file (in dist-packages) and now I get: http://pastebin.com/DvqGhQpV

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: do you know an estimate of how much spectrum carriers allocate towards upload?

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wagnerrp:

i had always thought it was only the subchannels (<50MHz)

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wagnerrp:

but thats a painfully small amount of bandwidth on the broadcast domain

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wagnerrp:

like 210Mbps or so

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devinheitmueller:

I'm not sure. You can check the DOCSIS spec though for the valid tuner ranges.

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wagnerrp:

SP-RFIv2.0? radio frequency interface spec?

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wagnerrp:

5MHz to 42MHz, so only ~160Mbps... yikes

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wagnerrp:

ah, looks like DOCSIS 3.0 expands that to 85MHz

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wagnerrp:

so ~370Mbps

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wagnerrp:

no, thats the signal rate... only 333Mbps data rate

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wizbit:

its time to find out why mythtv isnt working properly

[18:18:48]

wizbit:

i have git pulled latest source code, so the problem is my end.. but what

[18:18:55]

wizbit:

'Error opening jump programme file'

[18:18:59]

** wizbit rubs chin **

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wizbit:

lets start at the logs

[18:29:34]

wizbit:

'It appears that your backend may be misconfigured. Check your backend logs to determine whether your capture cards, lineups, channels, or storage configuration are reporting errors. This issue is commonly caused by failing to complete all setup steps properly.

[18:29:38]

wizbit:

You may wish to review the documentation for mythtv-setup'

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tgm4883:

wizbit, did you.... do all of those steps in mythtv-setup?

[18:31:48]

wizbit:

yes ages ago

[18:31:55]

wizbit:

i better double check them

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tgm4883:

probably

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wizbit:

maybe my database is corrupt

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wizbit:

im unsure

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tgm4883:

wizbit, well that seems like an odd assumption

[18:35:34]

wizbit:

im a odd guy

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wizbit:

maybe my recordings drive needs defragging

[18:39:35]

wizbit:

that could explain the slowness and unreliability

[18:40:01]

wizbit:

first i need to disable the logging of: mythpreviewgen.

[18:40:06]

wizbit:

far too many are created

[18:40:14]

wizbit:

mythmetadatalookup.

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wizbit:

-v OR --verbose Specify log filtering. Use '-v help' for level info.

[18:41:24]

wizbit:

.25.1 has been a _bastard_ for me so far

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wagnerrp:

so use 0.25.2?

[18:42:42]

wizbit:

actually i am wagnerrp

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wizbit:

same problem

[18:42:48]

wizbit:

i did a git pull today

[18:43:14]

wizbit:

i dont know where to start

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** wizbit writes a solve problem list **

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tgm4883:

0.25 has been great to me

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: could a diskless pxe frontend what uses nfs to boot, cause problems if it goes to sleep and wakes to mythbackend sockets etc?

[18:45:59]

wizbit:

tgm4883: 24.3 was rock solid for me

[18:46:03]

wagnerrp:

the TCP connection should time out, and automatically reconnect

[18:46:23]

wizbit:

wagnerrp: could noatime cause problems to the sockets?

[18:47:37]

wizbit:

strange:

[18:47:37]

wizbit:

DVBRead dtvsignalmonitor.cpp:321 (HandlePAT) – DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Program #26176 not found in PAT!

[18:47:37]

** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/26176 **

[18:48:27]

wizbit:

mythplayer.cpp:2816 (EventLoop) – Player(1): Unknown recorder error, exiting decoder

[18:48:53]

wizbit:

(ProcessPAT) – ProcessPAT: Program not found in PAT. Rescan your transports.

[18:49:02]

wizbit:

i think i need to go back and start again

[18:49:29]

wizbit:

ProcessRequest programinfo.cpp:2278 (GetPlaybackURL) – ProgramInfo(1013_20120719190700.mpg): GetPlaybackURL: '1013_20120719190700.mpg'

[18:49:32]

wizbit:

should be local, but it can not be found

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wizbit:

strange errors

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** wizbit feels scared and lsot **

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: what do you make of this backend log: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0PC4gt1D

[18:52:44]

wizbit:

wagnerrp: the frontend log looks like this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TAVNuxnF

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** wizbit is puzzled **

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kormoc:

your tuner is busy. That is all

[18:54:44]

wagnerrp:

it looks like there are multiple livetv sessions trying to start simultaneously

[18:54:55]

wagnerrp:

so they make it through the first sanity check, and fail later

[18:55:35]

wagnerrp:

or maybe the previous livetv session is not closing out properly

[18:55:50]

wizbit:

everytime i watch livetv i get this message 'Error opening jump programme file'

[18:56:00]

wizbit:

somtimes it works on 2nd try, sometimes its just a black screen

[18:56:00]

wagnerrp:

either way, not my area of knowledge

[18:58:21]

wizbit:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10462

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wizbit:

this kind of answers it

[18:59:07]

wizbit:

'When using NFS you want to set the actimeo low (1 works best in my experience, though some may need 0).'

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wagnerrp:

what is NFS doing in all of this?

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wagnerrp:

NFS shouldnt even factor into the equation

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: my diskless frontend boots via nfs

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wagnerrp:

but thats just for the root filesystem access

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tgm4883:

wizbit, frontends don't record

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wizbit:

oh yep :-S

[19:09:24]

wagnerrp:

thats just to load the software

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wizbit:

maybe its a network problem then?

[19:09:59]

wizbit:

Error opening jump programme file

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wizbit:

is there a way to tell mythtv what tv channel it should start on?

[19:11:33]

wagnerrp:

yes, the starting channel in mythtv-setup

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wizbit:

ok ill check that

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wizbit:

what are 'Recording profiles' used for on mythtv-setup

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wizbit:

i dont remember that before

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wagnerrp:

encoder configuration, transcoder configuration

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: do i need to touch that

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wagnerrp:

probably not

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wizbit:

ace

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wizbit:

best

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wizbit:

here we go

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wizbit:

Watch live tv worked straight away

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wizbit:

hmm

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wizbit:

so far so good...

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** wizbit deletes all logs **

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: is it essential for me to have mythmetadatalookup turned on/

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wagnerrp:

no

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wizbit:

also is this essential: CoreContext mythdb.cpp:866 (LoadDatabaseParamsFromDisk) – Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt

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wagnerrp:

that could be a problem

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wizbit:

that was on backend log

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wagnerrp:

is the backend failing to start?

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wagnerrp:

can it not connect to the database?

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wizbit:

it connects to database ok

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wizbit:

but that message is in log

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wagnerrp:

then dont worry about it

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wizbit:

CoreContext mainserver.cpp:2582 (DoHandleDeleteRecording) – ERROR when trying to delete file: GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/hq/1001_20110512060041.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: should i: touch 1001_20110512060041.mpg

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wagnerrp:

no

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** wizbit is keeping a eye on logs like a eahle **

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wizbit:

eagle

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wizbit:

dam mythtv is being stable at the moment

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ThisNewGuy:

wagnerrp: can you help with this: http://pastebin.com/9S0fSLMt ?

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wagnerrp:

that the thing you posted earlier today?

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wizbit:

haha http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18922629

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ThisNewGuy:

yes

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wagnerrp:

that one is a bit more involved, going to take a look at it tonight

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ThisNewGuy:

k – cool – thanks!

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SteveGoodey:

wagnerrp: You're in demand.

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wagnerrp:

nah, just bugs i introduced in the bindings

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wagnerrp:

hastily adding some code before significant testing due to the freeze

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wagnerrp:

"how-to-train-your-cat-for-shows"... there are cat shows?

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SteveGoodey:

Dang, almost got there before you.

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wagnerrp:

actually, i think you did

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wagnerrp:

when i went to delete it, it said there had been "approximately 2 edits"

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wagnerrp:

whatever that means

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FinnTux:

is IPTV recorder supposed to work atm? (trunk or 0.25-fixes)

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FinnTux:

cos I saw a fix in 0.25-fixes and it somewhat helped but I still get irrecoverable recorded error when chaning livetv channel

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FinnTux:

initial channel plays ok, but channel changing throws the error

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FinnTux:

tested both 0.25-fixes and trunk pulled couple of hours ago

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FinnTux:

only (IMO) relevant log message is "MythSocket(7fe07006ce90:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected."

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FinnTux:

thats from BE log. FE says MythSocket(7f46b409bfc0:81): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms.

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tgm4883:

Does anyone have an HDHR hooked directly to their NIC card? I'm trying to help the user here and it seems like it should work.

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tgm4883:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2029505&page=2

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wagnerrp:

only if the card has auto-mdix, or they're using a crossover cable, and they're running a DHCP server on the interface

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, according to the HDHR docs, none of that is required

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tgm4883:

the HDHR must have auto-mdix

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tgm4883:

and it specifically mentions it being ok with a 169.254 address

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wagnerrp:

thats somewhat rare on 10/100 network gear

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tgm4883:

really? I thought everything had that now?

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wagnerrp:

everything is gigabit too

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tgm4883:

hmm, good point

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