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| [00:32:56] | Beirdo: | yay, it's the return of the wagnerrp :) |
| [00:35:19] | wagnerrp: | power outages are fun |
| [00:35:59] | wagnerrp: | when your power keeps pogoing once or twice a day |
| [00:36:17] | wagnerrp: | and it tends to be just long enough that you have to shut everything down |
| [00:36:25] | wagnerrp: | where is the sense in bringing everything back up |
| [00:36:31] | Beirdo: | that's what I figured it was |
| [00:36:41] | Beirdo: | being in the general oHIo area |
| [00:37:15] | Beirdo: | my cousin in Columbus spent most of a week visiting her sister in Akron to have power (and AC) |
| [00:37:36] | Beirdo: | as the general Cleveland area seemed to be mostly unharmed |
| [00:37:51] | wagnerrp: | we blew our local substation, so weve been running on backup hardware until they could source a replacement (since so many other areas did as well) |
| [00:37:54] | Beirdo: | anyways, good to see ya back :) |
| [00:38:09] | wagnerrp: | and with this heat, everyone kicks their AC on, and everything trips offline |
| [00:38:17] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna head home, maybe even do some mythtv work |
| [00:38:37] | wagnerrp: | im getting the ebuilds updated |
| [00:38:44] | wagnerrp: | not going to have the generator in yet |
| [00:38:44] | Beirdo: | nice :) |
| [00:38:56] | wagnerrp: | but ill at least have ebuilds so they stop whining for a bit |
| [00:38:57] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [00:39:14] | Beirdo: | yeah, I punted you a few related tickets there |
| [00:40:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im issuing an ultimatum |
| [00:40:44] | wagnerrp: | youve got until i wake up to get that file table in |
| [00:41:04] | wagnerrp: | after which im going to put something in as close as i can to what i think you're planning on doing |
| [00:41:13] | wagnerrp: | so i can write a scanner around it |
| [00:41:35] | ** wagnerrp pokes sphery a few more times ** | |
| [00:42:11] | wagnerrp: | doesn't even need to be any fancy code, just a schema bump to add the table |
| [00:45:00] | wagnerrp: | so WTF did gentoo rename their zlib macros... |
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| [00:54:28] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: also, that closed/opened/closed/recanted/locked ticket about a gdb dependency |
| [00:54:46] | wagnerrp: | apparently qmake is adding some funky gdb check, that is broken |
| [00:54:57] | wagnerrp: | and causing an ignored error in the build logs |
| [00:55:22] | wagnerrp: | its not stopping anything from building, but it might be worth looking into, or sending upstream to trolltech |
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| [01:12:06] | Beirdo: | wth? |
| [01:12:43] | Beirdo: | yeah, Gentoo decided to rename some zlib macros |
| [01:12:56] | Beirdo: | I think at best, we could apply a patch from the ebuild |
| [01:13:11] | Beirdo: | but that patch can't go in the mainstream code as it will break it for everyone else |
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| [01:17:41] | wagnerrp: | that patch, sure |
| [01:17:55] | wagnerrp: | but as far as i can tell, the best course of action is to remove the whole thing entirely |
| [01:18:19] | wagnerrp: | the macro seems to be some bit of code to allow support of non-ansi-c compliant compilers |
| [01:18:26] | wagnerrp: | which AFAIK, we cant use anyway |
| [01:18:38] | wagnerrp: | nor would i know where you could find one, or why you would want to find one |
| [01:18:51] | wagnerrp: | see zconf.h |
| [01:19:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | wait, I won't be able to compile it on an AS-400 anymore?!? ;-) |
| [01:19:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehehehe |
| [01:19:29] | wagnerrp: | oh shit no!! |
| [01:19:41] | wagnerrp: | anyway, im going rip them out of master and "see what happens" |
| [01:19:56] | wagnerrp: | comments in zconf.h seem to indicate this may cause some problems in OSX |
| [01:20:00] | wagnerrp: | but chances are it will be fine |
| [01:20:16] | wagnerrp: | since gentoo is really the only thing affected by this, im not going to bother with 0.25 |
| [01:20:25] | wagnerrp: | just backport the patch for the 0.25 ebuilds |
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| [01:40:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Grr... losing the battle trying to get mythweb working on FC17 with php 4.5 ... even with the patches from #10504 , I am having no luck. :-( |
| [01:40:21] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10504 ** | |
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| [02:06:13] | smoothifier: | could anyone give me a few pointers on the upnp part of the code? |
| [02:06:58] | smoothifier: | int *p, *q is not a good answer :) |
| [02:08:58] | wagnerrp: | its as good as any other with such a broad request |
| [02:09:03] | wagnerrp: | need to narrow things a bit |
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| [02:10:11] | pyther: | Hello |
| [02:10:29] | pyther: | Does anyone know where I can find the nxt2004 firmware? |
| [02:10:36] | smoothifier: | well... i have this crazy idea that i want to add a directory structure to the upnp server. so i guess i'm looking for the part that does the database traversal to build the list of nodes/keys or whatever they are called. |
| [02:10:42] | pyther: | the get_dvb_firmware script provided in the kernel source, has a broken url |
| [02:10:58] | pyther: | http://www.avermedia-usa.com/support/Drivers/ . . . 1.2.2.16.zip |
| [02:10:59] | smoothifier: | (the videos specifically) |
| [02:11:23] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, there is currently no directory structure to the video library over the upnp server |
| [02:11:47] | smoothifier: | that data is in the database, though, right? |
| [02:11:52] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, your best option would be to refactor the various 'views' available to mythfrontend |
| [02:11:56] | smoothifier: | you're correct, it's just a list of all files |
| [02:12:02] | wagnerrp: | and make them generated and stored by the backend |
| [02:12:26] | smoothifier: | well i'm hoping to create a structure that i can access from, say, a blu-ray player |
| [02:12:48] | wagnerrp: | whether the user selects one for everyone to see, or each view is listed as a different top-level folder, i dont know which would be best |
| [02:13:10] | wagnerrp: | a third option, some players are going to allow their own internal resorting, but only if the server gives them the data to sort by |
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| [02:13:24] | smoothifier: | if i even got this to work, i'd just do an option that sorts by directory, for the videos |
| [02:13:36] | smoothifier: | bigger ideas would come later |
| [02:13:50] | wagnerrp: | may as well do it properly |
| [02:13:51] | smoothifier: | my skills are kinda rust |
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| [02:14:12] | smoothifier: | i'd like to make something clean and manageable. |
| [02:14:27] | wagnerrp: | add some traverseable tree structure into the code |
| [02:14:33] | smoothifier: | i'm not in the same cass as you guys are |
| [02:14:40] | smoothifier: | right, some binary tree |
| [02:14:47] | wagnerrp: | and add a bunch of pluggable methods that will populate that tree |
| [02:14:58] | smoothifier: | well, that's the idea |
| [02:15:00] | wagnerrp: | simple one would be the one that goes based off the path in the database |
| [02:15:06] | smoothifier: | yep |
| [02:15:07] | wagnerrp: | more complex ones for the other views could be added later |
| [02:15:10] | smoothifier: | that's the one i want |
| [02:15:18] | smoothifier: | sure, just other traversals |
| [02:15:42] | wagnerrp: | and you could then pull these over upnp, from the frontend, or from the services api |
| [02:16:13] | wagnerrp: | would make opening the video library a fair amount faster |
| [02:16:20] | smoothifier: | i can pull the path from the appropriate table and then parse it |
| [02:16:21] | wagnerrp: | as you would be storing these trees in memory on the master backend |
| [02:16:33] | smoothifier: | ok that sounds good |
| [02:16:34] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to generate the whole thing from the ground up each time you enter the video library |
| [02:16:50] | smoothifier: | what kind of memory? |
| [02:17:06] | smoothifier: | not in the database i guess |
| [02:17:06] | wagnerrp: | physical? dram? |
| [02:17:23] | smoothifier: | ok well that's where i know my theory but don't have the practice |
| [02:17:30] | smoothifier: | jsut allocate it i guess |
| [02:17:55] | wagnerrp: | the idea is something ive been milling around for a while |
| [02:18:01] | wagnerrp: | just havent gotten around to touching it |
| [02:18:17] | wagnerrp: | the primary goal being put that view generation in the backend, rather than frontend |
| [02:18:45] | smoothifier: | what sort of tree would be necessary? |
| [02:18:57] | smoothifier: | like a metadata tree? |
| [02:19:26] | smoothifier: | so you could maybe sort by director or actor or soemthing like that? |
| [02:19:30] | wagnerrp: | im thinking just a simple linked list |
| [02:19:38] | smoothifier: | well i can do that |
| [02:19:42] | smoothifier: | i think hahah |
| [02:19:53] | wagnerrp: | store the folder name, or database id |
| [02:20:04] | wagnerrp: | let it be populated from the database as needed |
| [02:20:12] | wagnerrp: | rather, let the metadata be populated |
| [02:20:50] | smoothifier: | what's different about this method than the current one in the Video Libary? |
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| [02:21:15] | wagnerrp: | no difference, but this table is generated and stored in the frontend, when you access the video library |
| [02:21:17] | Twiggy2cents: | whoa wagnerrp your back! |
| [02:21:27] | pyther: | does anyone have a copy of |
| [02:21:34] | Twiggy2cents: | Im sure you have already been asked this.... Was it power issues? |
| [02:21:36] | wagnerrp: | and more specifically, its some tree type built into the UI libraries |
| [02:21:38] | pyther: | dvb-fe-nxt2004.fw |
| [02:21:39] | wagnerrp: | aye |
| [02:21:57] | Twiggy2cents: | sheesh was it power out the whole time or just at the internet company? |
| [02:22:22] | smoothifier: | a simple binary tree would be good for videos, right? you dont have to worry about ranks, right? |
| [02:22:22] | wagnerrp: | power was out intermittently, maybe once or twice a day |
| [02:22:33] | wagnerrp: | just didnt feel like bringing everything up each time |
| [02:22:38] | wagnerrp: | ranks? |
| [02:22:47] | smoothifier: | i mean like |
| [02:22:48] | smoothifier: | um |
| [02:23:05] | smoothifier: | no never mind |
| [02:23:10] | smoothifier: | i'm just getting excited haha |
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| [02:23:47] | smoothifier: | was thinking about the type of tree |
| [02:24:38] | wagnerrp: | im thinking just a simple linked list, storing a very minimal amount of data, that gets flushed and rebuilt any time you run the file scanner |
| [02:24:41] | wagnerrp: | something like.... |
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| [02:37:55] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/6HSDPPSK |
| [02:38:01] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: ^^^^ |
| [02:38:53] | wagnerrp: | have some garbage collector in TreeLeaf that clears out m_metadata if the item has not been accessed in a few minutes |
| [02:39:32] | wagnerrp: | so all you have left is the database reference id, a name, and a bunch of pointers |
| [02:40:14] | [R]: | wagnerrp: where are the channel logs? |
| [02:40:14] | wagnerrp: | when you start to pull data, re-populate the metadata pointer |
| [02:40:16] | [R]: | i forget the url |
| [02:40:19] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [02:40:19] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [02:40:37] | [R]: | thanks |
| [02:40:46] | tlhiv_laptop: | hi ... mythtv has recently gotten "sluggish" meaning it takes a second or two to stop video playback and start video playback ... is there a way to "optimize" things or at least troubleshoot to figure out the problem? |
| [02:41:41] | smoothifier: | wagnerrp: looking |
| [02:44:37] | smoothifier: | you cranked that out pretty fast :) |
| [02:45:00] | smoothifier: | i get the idea |
| [02:45:06] | wagnerrp: | 10 minutes? not all that fast |
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| [02:45:35] | smoothifier: | compared to how long it would take me it's pretty fast. i would have to look at things i did before |
| [02:46:17] | smoothifier: | and my c is okay but my c++ is not so strong. i have never coded in c++, just c |
| [02:47:28] | wagnerrp: | same thing more or less, but polymorphism lets you subclass those leaves rather than having to have multiple lists to store different potential types |
| [02:47:49] | smoothifier: | what does the tilde signify? is that function coded twice? |
| [02:47:58] | wagnerrp: | constructor, destructor |
| [02:48:08] | smoothifier: | oh okay |
| [02:48:11] | wagnerrp: | one is used to create the class, the other is called when the class is destroyed |
| [02:48:23] | wagnerrp: | and it decrements the references to parent and children |
| [02:48:40] | smoothifier: | DecrRef is a standard call? |
| [02:48:48] | wagnerrp: | of ReferenceCounter, yes |
| [02:49:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtv/libs/libmythbase/referencecounter.h |
| [02:49:08] | smoothifier: | heheeeh |
| [02:49:10] | Sharky112065: | If I "ps ax |grep pulse" and there is nothing, does that mean my sound over nvidia hdmi will not work? Im trying to figure out why I have no sound |
| [02:49:11] | smoothifier: | oh boy |
| [02:49:27] | wagnerrp: | Sharky112065: no, that means it will work much better |
| [02:49:32] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio does not have HDMI passthrough |
| [02:49:52] | wagnerrp: | everything must be decoded, multiplexed, encoded, and sent over the HDMI |
| [02:50:01] | wagnerrp: | ALSA just sends the raw encoded audio |
| [02:50:16] | Sharky112065: | ok, thanks. That is what I remember seeing someone say a week or so ago, just at this point im spinning my wheels and dont know what to do |
| [02:50:21] | smoothifier: | ok wagnerrp, i have to head out. thanks for showing me that. looking at this stuff makes me think i'll be jumping into a rabbit hole. |
| [02:50:30] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [02:50:37] | wagnerrp: | well like i said, its in my list to get to eventually |
| [02:50:46] | wagnerrp: | assuming beirdo doesnt get to it first |
| [02:51:00] | tlhiv_laptop: | top seems to indicate tmdb.py is hogging my resources ... is this a thumbnail generation script and if so, can it be disabled? |
| [02:51:03] | Sharky112065: | I have realtec built in audio on the mb, plus it has built in hdmi wiht audio, plus now a gt 430 card with hdmi audio, and nothing works. |
| [02:51:15] | smoothifier: | i think if i need a project, i might have to start with one of my own first before i try to tackle something as complex as this project |
| [02:51:49] | wagnerrp: | tlhiv_laptop: if tmdb.py is taking more than a few seconds to run, something is wrong |
| [02:52:04] | smoothifier: | bye for now |
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| [02:54:00] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: restarting mysql and mythbackend fixed my problem (although i'm not sure which one was the problem) |
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| [03:09:16] | twiggy: | Would sync to vblank make glxgears's fps be equal to monitor refresh rate? |
| [03:09:50] | fafa88: | Hi, for the hdhomerun, the number of recording is set to 2, is that right? can it record 2 shows per tuner, so with two tuners built in, it can record for shows? |
| [03:10:00] | twiggy: | I am trying to figure out if sync to vblank is enabled. I have screen tearing on opengl even on 720p so it is not the deint doing it |
| [03:10:23] | wagnerrp: | fafa88: it can record two multiplexes using its two tuners |
| [03:10:49] | wagnerrp: | setting the number of recordings to '2' means it can record two shows at a time on a single multiplex |
| [03:35:29] | lapion: | wagnerrp, on my system I can easily record 4 shows at a time on a single multiplex. |
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| [04:03:01] | wagnerrp: | !seen cardoe |
| [04:03:01] | MythLogBot: | cardoe is here and has been idle for 2 days 11 hours 20 minutes 37 seconds |
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| [08:37:51] | artus39: | good morning |
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| [08:46:12] | Novae: | anyone know the best way to get guide data in Australia, i looked at Shepard but then read on the mythwiki that it's unsupported due to the way it adds entries. |
| [08:52:54] | Agrajag-: | eit is the best |
| [08:53:14] | Agrajag-: | you get good data and no hassles of setting it up, all done automatically |
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| [08:55:31] | Novae: | Agrajag-: so the Australian EIT is good now, i remember a few years ago it was rubbish...or atleast not upto the standard of scrapped XMLTV data |
| [08:56:32] | Agrajag-: | yeah it used to only be now + next |
| [08:56:35] | Agrajag-: | now it's full 7 days |
| [08:57:26] | Agrajag-: | ch10 screw it up a bit by putting the program description in the subtitle field, then putting a very small copyright notice in the description field, but otherwise it's all good |
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| [09:20:17] | dekarl: | Novae: shepherd got changed a bit so its not so bad now. it is used alot (looking at http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/stats.html and knowing that shephard is behing tv_grab_au, too) |
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| [09:32:57] | wizbit: | is there a way to stop mytthv logs being created with silly serial numbers? |
| [09:34:14] | wizbit: | trying to tab complete a log is a nightmare |
| [09:34:19] | wizbit: | and finding the latest log |
| [09:37:07] | wizbit: | mythtv 8772 1.9 1.2 711896 46952 ? Ssl Jul06 12:59 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v --noupnp --user mythtv --logpath /var/log/mythtv -p /var/run/mythbackend.pid -d |
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| [09:37:53] | wizbit: | if i: killall mythbackend |
| [09:38:00] | wizbit: | nothing happens, it remains ? |
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| [10:11:51] | wizbit: | i think the problem why my diskless frontend had communication problems with backend was because fstab settings on the frontend |
| [10:12:32] | wizbit: | nodiratime <-- this was the problem |
| [10:12:35] | wizbit: | noatime seems ok |
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| [11:56:46] | tootr: | I compiled 0.25.1 from scratch, set up mysql.txt as instructed by the wiki, but am getting this error: http://pastebin.com/LMzmac7c |
| [11:57:17] | tootr: | This seems to be http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10750 , but is the last post right in that the error is ignorable? |
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| [14:25:49] | ** wagnerrp pokes sphery some more ** | |
| [14:25:54] | sphery: | hehe |
| [14:26:09] | sphery: | I won't get the tables in today... likely will do some work on mythtv next week, though |
| [14:26:09] | wagnerrp: | just about to start writing up some schema updates |
| [14:26:20] | wagnerrp: | can i get the tables in today? |
| [14:26:30] | sphery: | I'd prefer you use completely different names for any new tables |
| [14:26:42] | wagnerrp: | what names are you using? |
| [14:26:56] | sphery: | especially since you can't use the new-schema design, since you're not doing a full change to the new schema (with its new ids) |
| [14:27:11] | sphery: | those on the page with the not-finished design |
| [14:27:20] | wagnerrp: | the 16mo old page? |
| [14:27:26] | sphery: | yep |
| [14:27:52] | sphery: | btw, glad you're back |
| [14:27:59] | sphery: | it's good to have power |
| [14:28:42] | sphery: | but basically since you can't use the future design, having a different name in there would make it a lot easier for me |
| [14:29:05] | wagnerrp: | i would like to make it something that would be easily adaptable to the future design |
| [14:29:23] | wagnerrp: | you're saying just so you dont need to have temporary tables for future schema changes? |
| [14:29:50] | sphery: | well, the future design is dependent on (pretty much changing specifically for) the id/key changes |
| [14:30:10] | wagnerrp: | i want to make videometadata dependent on this global key |
| [14:30:11] | sphery: | so unless you're going to do up videopart and mediafile and ... |
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| [14:32:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: haven't read the list, but aren't we looking at a feature freeze soon? if so, do we need this before? |
| [14:32:51] | wagnerrp: | i want a good scanner in before the freeze |
| [14:33:47] | sphery: | so yours is just trying to get a list of all files it sees and is keeping all copies of them in there? |
| [14:34:05] | sphery: | is that pretty much the main change? |
| [14:34:10] | wagnerrp: | the tables, yes |
| [14:34:24] | wagnerrp: | the change in the scanner, its all done in one place in the backend |
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| [14:36:23] | sphery: | well, I will likely have some time to work on mythtv next week, which will include updating that schema with the latest round of changes |
| [14:37:17] | sphery: | but since future schema uses videometadata->videopart->mediafile->videofile, and since it moves much of the current data from current tables, I think it would actually be easier to do some "interim" table just for your changes rather than try to get it done with the future tables |
| [14:37:26] | sphery: | (interim table or tables) |
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| [14:38:25] | sphery: | and the conversion to the future schema should be easy enough (and/or it will help redefine what we need for the future schema) |
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| [14:40:02] | wagnerrp: | basically, this is what i was going to implement this morning... http://pastebin.com/cUYZrQke |
| [14:40:26] | wagnerrp: | videopart would be largely non-functional, and order would not be used |
| [14:40:43] | wagnerrp: | wasnt planning on writing that capability just yet |
| [14:40:48] | sphery: | in the schema we have the hash you have in mediafile is in videofile |
| [14:41:05] | wagnerrp: | i want a hash against mediafile |
| [14:41:08] | sphery: | as we won't need to do hashes for other files--like png previews or cover art or ... |
| [14:41:44] | wagnerrp: | ok, so videofile would be the unique entry for multiple duplicate mediafiles? |
| [14:42:20] | wagnerrp: | right now, its a 1:1 hash versus file entry |
| [14:42:28] | wagnerrp: | i want to have multiple file entries for a single hash |
| [14:42:58] | sphery: | yeah, this is why I'd rather go with interim tables |
| [14:43:03] | wagnerrp: | because its an annoying issue in the current scanner if you have multiple copies of a single table |
| [14:43:26] | sphery: | because to figure this out, now, I'd need to do all the other changes to the schema I don't have time to do this weekend, then change the future schema for your changes |
| [14:43:59] | wagnerrp: | right, so give me some names to use? |
| [14:44:14] | wagnerrp: | since this is for the video scanner, say scannerfile/scannerpath? |
| [14:44:15] | sphery: | hehe, anything you want, except the ones I have :) |
| [14:44:19] | sphery: | sure |
| [14:44:21] | sphery: | sounds good |
| [14:44:29] | wagnerrp: | what about videopart? |
| [14:44:45] | wagnerrp: | id rather keep some coupling table in there, so i dont change the existing inetrefs |
| [14:44:50] | wagnerrp: | erm, intids |
| [14:45:09] | sphery: | yeah, that one you can put it |
| [14:45:11] | sphery: | in |
| [14:45:22] | sphery: | I don't think we'll have any changes for it--as it's just for linkage |
| [14:45:23] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [14:45:33] | wagnerrp: | sounds good, thanks |
| [14:45:52] | sphery: | thank you--and apologies for not having gotten to this, yet |
| [14:46:10] | wagnerrp: | lot of things i havent gotten to this dev cycle |
| [14:46:14] | sphery: | been busy with real life, lately, and currently have visitors here making mythtv work difficult |
| [14:46:34] | sphery: | yeah, I could say the same--except without the "this dev cycle" |
| [14:46:41] | sphery: | (been a few for me :) |
| [14:47:01] | sphery: | anyway, I |
| [14:47:12] | sphery: | ve got to get going... good luck, and thanks for your flexibility :) |
| [14:47:13] | EvilGuru: | Does anyone know what the requirements are for mythtv to be resumed as part of an x-session? |
| [14:47:24] | wagnerrp: | resumed? |
| [14:47:33] | wagnerrp: | later |
| [14:47:37] | sphery: | EvilGuru: pretty much exit before suspend, then start after? |
| [14:47:46] | EvilGuru: | sphery: Yeah |
| [14:47:52] | sphery: | pretty sure that's the only way things will work with connections to backend/db |
| [14:48:12] | sphery: | at least with current design/code |
| [14:48:14] | EvilGuru: | It used to do it when I used the Gentoo ebuilds back in the 0.21 days |
| [14:48:22] | wagnerrp: | in theory, all those things should just automatically reconnect |
| [14:48:28] | EvilGuru: | So I could log out, log in again and mythtv would start up |
| [14:48:51] | EvilGuru: | (Along with Firefox + kwrite + anything else that isn't Eclipse) |
| [14:49:07] | sphery: | I just remember someone on -users saying that mythfrontend doesn't work after resume |
| [14:49:21] | sphery: | maybe it was actually the GL/video stuff that was causing problems |
| [14:49:27] | EvilGuru: | sphery: This isn't really resuming, the process is killed on logout and restarted again fresh on login |
| [14:49:28] | sphery: | but easiest approach is exit/restart |
| [14:49:48] | sphery: | right, logout/login would be basically what I said |
| [14:49:53] | sphery: | you're saying that doesn't work? |
| [14:50:11] | sphery: | if that's the case, it's probably that it's restarting too soon? |
| [14:50:16] | EvilGuru: | It used to when I used the Gentoo ebuilds a while back, but recently I have to manually $ mythfrontend every time I login |
| [14:50:20] | sphery: | before X or whatever is ready |
| [14:50:52] | sphery: | so you're saying that your X start script and or session or ... isn't starting mythfrontend for you automatically? |
| [14:51:03] | sphery: | (ever) |
| [14:51:15] | EvilGuru: | Yes, even if mythfrontend is running when I log out |
| [14:51:31] | sphery: | best reference I can give is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login |
| [14:51:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im wondering if were doing global hashes, should we have something more secure than our current hash? |
| [14:51:49] | sphery: | where most people use KDM/GDM or NoDM |
| [14:52:09] | wagnerrp: | or do you think hash + file size is sufficient? |
| [14:52:28] | sphery: | not sure how good current hash's coverage is |
| [14:52:39] | wagnerrp: | first and last 64KB of a file |
| [14:52:47] | wagnerrp: | and its 32-bit |
| [14:53:11] | sphery: | could go with current for now, and if required change later when we find issues? |
| [14:53:12] | wagnerrp: | i just realized theres no sense allowing bigint files when were doing duplicate detection with a 32-bit hash |
| [14:53:34] | sphery: | hehe, I see what you mean |
| [14:54:20] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, im not too keen on forcing full SHAs on multi-TB libraries |
| [14:54:26] | sphery: | agreed |
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| [14:54:55] | sphery: | though really--whether we scan some or all of the file--ot |
| [14:54:57] | wagnerrp: | and even some kind of fast non-cryptographic hash, the filesystem is still the bottleneck here |
| [14:55:04] | stuartm: | global hash, as in using the same hashing for all files, recordings/video/music/photos? |
| [14:55:07] | sphery: | it's just a matter of having a hash with a larger key space |
| [14:55:47] | sphery: | (and one that actually makes use of it--not sure if the current hash algo does that well) |
| [14:56:51] | wagnerrp: | the current hash algo is designed for opensubtitles |
| [14:57:02] | wagnerrp: | you hash a file, and look up any existing subtitles for it |
| [14:57:11] | wagnerrp: | which of course really only has use with pirated content |
| [14:57:26] | stuartm: | fwiw if you're thinking along the lines of hashing all files, the current hashing method won't work for music etc, the tag is in the first few kb, same for photos – edit any of the metadata and the hash will change, for id3 we're updating tags with every play to set playcount |
| [14:57:31] | sphery: | yeah, just saying that it may or may not actually hash such that resulting values are spread evenly over the key space |
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| [14:57:48] | sphery: | versus having unused spots or groupings/collisions |
| [14:57:58] | sphery: | I'm guessing it's not really cryptographically secure |
| [14:58:36] | sphery: | but, fwiw, I wouldn't mind if we change the hash algo |
| [14:58:53] | wagnerrp: | im still planning this as a "first stage" |
| [14:58:55] | sphery: | I'll leave that to you (as you probably know that part much better than me, anyway) |
| [14:59:08] | wagnerrp: | for things like music, where the id3 may change, breaking the stored hash |
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| [14:59:16] | sphery: | yeah, and as you said, we can always modify things in the future as required |
| [14:59:18] | wagnerrp: | it would introduce a new file to the music library |
| [14:59:38] | wagnerrp: | which would then have to recognize the changed data, and shift metadata to the new file entry |
| [14:59:54] | sphery: | anyway, really gotta go now... good luck |
| [14:59:58] | wagnerrp: | ok, later |
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| [16:20:20] | twiggy: | I am having screen tearing with opengl. I am running at ~40% load on the processor, have sync to vblank enabled, doesnt matter if it is interlaced or progressive. I get screen tearing when there is a big horizontal pan. I also get combing on fast motion with opengl also(both on progressive and interlaced) I dont get the combing when using ffmpeg and vdpau |
| [16:20:48] | twiggy: | Any ideas one a setting I might not be using or something? I have a nvidia card and have composite disabled and use events true |
| [16:24:54] | sphery: | twiggy: it's up to the video drivers to deal with tearing... have to enable the feature in the video driver control panel... nvidia's works (but you should probably be using vdpau with nvidia), so I'm assuming you're using ati's, which has had issues over the years (or maybe Intel's, but I don't know how well theirs works) |
| [16:25:19] | sphery: | note that for some (most?) drivers, there's a separate sync to vblank type setting for normal and opengl modes |
| [16:25:38] | twiggy: | I am using nvidia |
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| [16:26:17] | twiggy: | I get stuttering on hd panning when I use your combo of ffmpeg&vdpau so I wanted to try opengl but it has its own issues |
| [16:26:41] | twiggy: | I do have sync to vblank enabled every time at boot and glx gears runs at ~60fps |
| [16:26:51] | twiggy: | Any tips for my issues with vdpau then? |
| [16:27:19] | sphery: | you have the opengl sync to vblank enabled? |
| [16:27:23] | sphery: | it is separate for nvidia |
| [16:27:51] | twiggy: | I am using a geforce 210 |
| [16:27:54] | sphery: | is it stuttering in hd panning or issues from bad deinterlacing? |
| [16:27:56] | twiggy: | yes I have the both enabled |
| [16:28:06] | sphery: | and it's enabled when you start mythfrontend? |
| [16:28:07] | twiggy: | It does it in progressive video too |
| [16:28:11] | twiggy: | yes |
| [16:28:17] | sphery: | if you start before it's enabled, i'm pretty sure it's not enabled in the app |
| [16:28:42] | sphery: | not sure what would cause that--assuming your cpu is plenty powerful to do the decoding |
| [16:29:15] | sphery: | pans tend to be high-bitrate regions, so could just be resource limitations? |
| [16:29:36] | twiggy: | so that would purely be a decoding thing right? Lacking rendering power would be a different symptom? |
| [16:29:43] | sphery: | in theory, though, ffmpeg + vdpau should be significantly less resources than ffmpeg + opengl |
| [16:29:56] | sphery: | could try ffmpeg + xv for "dead simple configuration" to see if that works |
| [16:29:57] | twiggy: | They run almost identical on the resources |
| [16:30:21] | sphery: | yeah, was thinking decoding (if it's cpu) |
| [16:30:21] | twiggy: | ~40% ffmpeg/vdpau and ~45–50%ffmpeg/opengl |
| [16:30:31] | sphery: | yeah, likely not cpu then |
| [16:30:36] | sphery: | not sure what it could be |
| [16:30:47] | sphery: | have you tried different deinterlacers for vdpau? |
| [16:31:01] | stuartm: | nvidia-settings |
| [16:31:18] | sphery: | ah, and make sure composite extension isn't enabled... I think |
| [16:31:35] | sphery: | pretty sure that's still important |
| [16:32:04] | twiggy: | I have composite disabled and use events true |
| [16:40:54] | Sharky112065: | +sphery: Finally got it all set up and running correctly :) But oh what a bitch of a process it was. |
| [16:41:34] | Sharky112065: | sphery: Thanks for all your help :) |
| [16:43:41] | twiggy: | I have EIST(I think that is the acronym) enabled in the bios. Could that cause it or does it do its job well enough that you dont see it step the speed up? |
| [16:45:38] | sphery: | Sharky112065: glad it's working |
| [16:46:31] | sphery: | twiggy: not sure, on some systems (some AMD CPU ones--maybe all?), underclocked processor changes bus speeds, too, which may impact it |
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| [16:50:10] | twiggy_: | sphery: also I am using usleep with busy wait due to perm issues with RTC and no /dev/dri/card0 |
| [16:50:17] | twiggy_: | Can that be an issue or is usleep okay? |
| [16:51:20] | twiggy_: | Also I have it set to decode with 2 cores. From what I have been told that is only possible with multislice h264. In my -v playback logs it says using 2 CPUS for decoding. Can that be an issue that it is trying to use 2? |
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| [17:11:36] | twiggy_: | Playback uses 2d acceleration right? |
| [17:15:11] | sphery: | twiggy_: video timing method shouldn't have any effect on tearing |
| [17:15:38] | sphery: | and if you're at ~40% CPU, shouldn't affect stutter/frame delivery |
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| [17:16:15] | sphery: | I've set mine to only use one core... not sure if that would be related |
| [17:19:02] | pyther: | Does anyone use mythtv and centos/rhel/sci linux 6? |
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| [17:20:59] | pyther: | If so I'd be interested to find out where you get your myth packages from |
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| [17:24:02] | stuartm: | pyther: personally I wouldn't recommend it, those distros always use really old versions of everything in the belief that it's more 'stable', but MythTV is a media application and as such it tends to benefit from using the latest releases of libraries and the kernel |
| [17:24:31] | pyther: | stuartm: what distro would you recommend? I just want something I can set and forget |
| [17:25:24] | stuartm: | centos/rhel/scientific are probably great for their intended applications e.g. business servers and number crunching, just not so great for everything else |
| [17:25:48] | pyther: | yah I wouldn't necessary disagree |
| [17:26:05] | pyther: | I use it strickly as a backend |
| [17:26:22] | stuartm: | pyther: mythbuntu is popular, stable and maybe the easiest to setup, very well supported and once running it doesn't need any work |
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| [17:27:40] | pyther: | any other options? (without getting into a rant, I'm not a ubuntu fan) |
| [17:27:45] | stuartm: | I use mythbuntu in production, although I prefer Mageia for my desktop/development environment – anything halfway recent, e.g. Fedora, Ubuntu, Suse should be OK |
| [17:28:11] | Sharky112065: | can you only have the default meta data source? Can others be added? |
| [17:28:30] | wagnerrp: | only one for movies, one for tv, and one for games |
| [17:28:35] | stuartm: | pyther: I'm not a fan either, but since my production machines require the minimum of attention it really doesn't matter greatly |
| [17:28:51] | Sharky112065: | lol ok guess no meta data for my porn collection :p |
| [17:28:55] | wagnerrp: | if you want something more complex than that, look into wrapping multiple other scripts and combining their output |
| [17:29:10] | wagnerrp: | themoviedb.org has a decent amount of porn |
| [17:29:35] | stuartm: | some would say an indecent amount |
| [17:29:50] | wagnerrp: | enough that it causes problems when the grabber glitches and pulls the tmdb data using a ttvdb inetref |
| [17:30:23] | Sharky112065: | ok thanks |
| [17:30:46] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: heh, it occurred to me the other day to check whether they include an 'adult' tag in their v2 API and whether we could ignore those results by default |
| [17:31:31] | wagnerrp: | is there an adult flag in the v2 results? |
| [17:31:45] | stuartm: | it would save that "my wife/daughter were horrified to see porn artwork retrieved for cartoons on the mythtv box" |
| [17:31:49] | wagnerrp: | honestly, no sense messing with tmdb.py or v2 results at this point |
| [17:32:13] | stuartm: | v3 you mean? possibly, I didn't get around to checking |
| [17:32:24] | wagnerrp: | tmdb3.py should work fine, outside of some polish |
| [17:32:46] | wagnerrp: | i think i may still have some unicode issues with it to resolve |
| [17:32:52] | wagnerrp: | always with the unicode issues.... |
| [17:33:22] | stuartm: | http://help.themoviedb.org/kb/api/search-movies – "include_adult" |
| [17:33:36] | stuartm: | so yes, we can exclude adult results from searches |
| [17:34:06] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: it would be good to switch over before the release if that's the case |
| [17:34:50] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . b_api.py#n89 |
| [17:34:57] | wagnerrp: | default is to block them from searches |
| [17:35:12] | wagnerrp: | but there is nothing preventing the data from being pulled directly |
| [17:35:14] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . b_api.py#n89 |
| [17:35:20] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . vie/tmdb3.py |
| [17:35:39] | wagnerrp: | may want to add an -a/--adult flag to the grabber syntax |
| [17:35:57] | wagnerrp: | default to disallow, use the flag to allow |
| [17:36:07] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps the opposite --no-adult |
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| [17:48:20] | BDProductions: | Does anyone in here know if it is possible to use a BlackMagic Decklink Studio card for capture and playback in a 24 hour gapless schedule? |
| [17:51:54] | wagnerrp: | has blackmagic ever released V4L drivers for their hardware? |
| [17:52:19] | wagnerrp: | last i heard, all their linux drivers only exposed the hardware through their own custom protocol |
| [17:52:24] | wagnerrp: | not through the linux standard ones |
| [17:52:39] | BDProductions: | It is supposed to ship with linux drivers, but as to the details, I do not know for sure. |
| [17:53:08] | wagnerrp: | in any case, mythtv does not support "gapless" recording |
| [17:53:26] | wagnerrp: | each show is independently recorded, and if there are no shows in the schedule, it cuts every 30 minutes |
| [17:53:29] | BDProductions: | Actually, it was teh playback from a playlist I needed most |
| [17:53:53] | wagnerrp: | and recording all day, every day, is not what the scheduler was designed for, so it will be very inefficient at doing so |
| [17:53:55] | BDProductions: | recording would be rare |
| [17:54:06] | wagnerrp: | mythtv supports playback through playlists, yes |
| [17:54:35] | BDProductions: | how much time is there from the end of one show to the beginning of the next? |
| [17:54:35] | wagnerrp: | but again, it is still designed to record regularly scheduled television, not arbitrary capture |
| [17:54:55] | wagnerrp: | and i dont know off hand what kind of delay there is transitioning from one program to the next during playback |
| [17:55:13] | BDProductions: | Recordings would be from paid/licensed for rebroadcast satellite |
| [17:55:27] | wagnerrp: | use ASI hardware instead? |
| [17:55:32] | BDProductions: | timed |
| [17:56:55] | BDProductions: | Our stations don't use SDI... |
| [17:57:05] | wagnerrp: | a while back, someone contracted for ASI capture support |
| [17:57:18] | wagnerrp: | so they could record directly off the commercial satellite gear |
| [17:57:19] | BDProductions: | I am trying to find a way tpo replace a $10,000 broadcast video server. |
| [17:57:24] | wagnerrp: | rather than using an external decoder and analog capture |
| [17:58:03] | BDProductions: | you know, that might just work for capture, as long as I could find a supported output that can be genlocked to the station. |
| [17:58:24] | BDProductions: | the satellite does have an SDI output |
| [17:58:37] | wagnerrp: | ASI is compressed, SDI is raw, two very different things |
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| [17:58:59] | wagnerrp: | ASI is the MPEG2/4 interface between the encoder and the modulator |
| [17:59:10] | wagnerrp: | or demod and decoder |
| [17:59:35] | BDProductions: | I just noticed that |
| [18:00:28] | wagnerrp: | as far as output, mythtv probably isnt going to have what you're looking for in terms of precision framelocked playback |
| [18:00:33] | BDProductions: | I will have to go look and see what the connector is labeled on the satellite receivers in the rack. |
| [18:00:42] | wagnerrp: | but you would want to talk to someone more knowledgeable about that |
| [18:00:52] | wagnerrp: | might want to try #mythtv |
| [18:02:10] | BDProductions: | Yeah, I had hoped another low power digital station engineer might have been lurking in here. |
| [18:02:53] | BDProductions: | In the 5 years I was away from the station, a video server has failed. |
| [18:03:08] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple on the mailing list, one or two that lurk here occasionally |
| [18:03:21] | wagnerrp: | but im not aware of any using mythtv for such purposes |
| [18:03:28] | BDProductions: | When I left there were 2 analog channels... now there is one analog channel and 4 digital. |
| [18:03:30] | wagnerrp: | all the commercial uses ive heard of are on the opposite side |
| [18:04:05] | wagnerrp: | using mythtv for recording and archival storage, using mythtv as an endpoint for a hotel/school/hospital DVR system |
| [18:04:22] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard someone wanting to use it for rebroadcast |
| [18:04:26] | BDProductions: | the latter is about what we are looking for |
| [18:04:48] | BDProductions: | it would rarely ever record |
| [18:05:33] | BDProductions: | the idea was to have all media on a NAS, and files would be ingested via other machines mostly |
| [18:05:45] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe there is any way to modify an in-progress playlist behind the scenes |
| [18:05:53] | wagnerrp: | usually you edit it on the screen, and then run the playlist |
| [18:06:01] | wagnerrp: | but that probably wouldnt be hard to code in |
| [18:06:05] | wagnerrp: | for non-stop playback |
| [18:06:16] | BDProductions: | what about 2 x 24 hour playlists? |
| [18:06:27] | BDProductions: | each one rotating? |
| [18:06:28] | wagnerrp: | but gapless.... likely not easy to do |
| [18:06:45] | BDProductions: | 4–5 frames of black would not be bad |
| [18:06:54] | wagnerrp: | im thinking a second or two |
| [18:07:08] | wagnerrp: | tear down one player instance, start up another |
| [18:07:12] | BDProductions: | we just can't wait much longer. |
| [18:07:14] | wagnerrp: | playback is atomic, two independent processes |
| [18:07:37] | wagnerrp: | i dont think there is anything in place to use an existing player for a new video |
| [18:07:52] | wagnerrp: | but i dont deal with that area of the code much |
| [18:07:55] | wagnerrp: | so i could very well be wrong |
| [18:07:56] | BDProductions: | so there's currently no way to have one instance preload and start rolling early? |
| [18:08:31] | BDProductions: | sort of like crossfading mp3 player.. |
| [18:08:31] | BDProductions: | . |
| [18:09:07] | wagnerrp: | at current, no... but i dont know the internals of the player well enough to know how hard that would be to add |
| [18:09:58] | BDProductions: | I should probably remove the OS compact flash card from the failed/ing video server we have here and see what OS it runs and how they manage gapless playback. |
| [18:10:53] | BDProductions: | it has one record channel and 2 playout channels, though a single playout channel is likely two mpeg players internally |
| [18:11:29] | BDProductions: | because a single channel can play gapless regardless of what the other channels are doing |
| [18:11:53] | BDProductions: | The failing server is a Leightronix TCD/NX |
| [18:12:59] | BDProductions: | Right now I can manually play or record anything, but when I try to run a playlist sometimes it will play the first file, and most of the time it just sits there... but for some reason it never continues to the next programmed item. |
| [18:13:15] | wagnerrp: | on the existing server? |
| [18:13:19] | BDProductions: | yes |
| [18:13:36] | BDProductions: | And now it is just beyond it's 5 year warranty |
| [18:13:39] | BDProductions: | of course |
| [18:14:14] | BDProductions: | I don't expect anyone in here to have the answer for that though |
| [18:14:39] | BDProductions: | My answer is building something else to replace it |
| [18:15:14] | BDProductions: | The original Nexus is limited to 1TB of storage, which makes a lot of work for us. |
| [18:15:34] | wagnerrp: | well as mentioned, you're more likely to find someone who knows enough about that code to answer your questions in #mythtv, or the mythtv-dev mailing list |
| [18:16:00] | BDProductions: | thank you |
| [18:16:20] | wagnerrp: | since what you're looking to do is almost certainly going to involve some amount of code to tune it to your liking |
| [18:16:36] | BDProductions: | I expected that. |
| [18:17:00] | BDProductions: | I came here from #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [18:17:36] | BDProductions: | I wondered how hard it would be to pipe the output of mythtv to a different output card. |
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| [18:17:55] | wagnerrp: | chances are if you proceed with mythtv, you're not going to want to be using mythbuntu |
| [18:18:18] | BDProductions: | why would that be? |
| [18:18:33] | wagnerrp: | they make a lot of assumptions, and do a lot of things automatically, based off the fact that its a residential end user running the system |
| [18:18:46] | BDProductions: | ok |
| [18:18:50] | wagnerrp: | a lot of that automated stuff is likely to get in the way for your needs |
| [18:18:59] | BDProductions: | agreed |
| [18:19:39] | BDProductions: | I have setup mythtv before, on fedora core, back 8 or 9 years ago |
| [18:19:58] | BDProductions: | it was all manual setup then |
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| [18:20:57] | BDProductions: | at first it didn't like my ATI remote wonder II, but adding a package and a few tweaks and it was as pleasant as any STB |
| [18:21:19] | BDProductions: | thank you for your time |
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| [18:41:51] | BDProductions: | laters |
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| [18:58:24] | russell5: | in videos when i hit info i have the option for mark as watched/unwatched is there any way to show that status on the screen without hitting info? |
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| [19:05:43] | justTom: | hello, recently upgraded to the latest Mythubuntu and am having trouble getting TV out to work |
| [19:06:13] | justTom: | I have an nvidia 9600GT and am using the latest nvidia driver 295 I think |
| [19:06:53] | justTom: | The machine boots and I see the usual splash screen, then when the x server starts, the TV goes blank |
| [19:07:14] | justTom: | The weird part is that the X server does start though, it just doesn't show up on the TV |
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| [19:07:50] | justTom: | I had been using nvidia 180 (or something like that) in my old mythubuntu install and it worked fine |
| [19:08:15] | justTom: | when I copied that xorg.conf over the xserver wouldn't start at all |
| [19:08:36] | justTom: | Anyone have ideas on how to trouble shoot this? |
| [19:09:12] | justTom: | I've used nvidia-setting and it produces an unusable xorg.conf (xserver won't start) |
| [19:09:30] | justTom: | when a connect a monitor it shows on the monitor just fine, but won't show on my TV |
| [19:11:04] | justTom: | The xorg.conf that was installed by default when I installed Mythbuntu seems to be the only one that will allow the xserver to start (just no TV out) |
| [19:11:21] | justTom: | Here is that xorg.conf is anyone has a second to look at it: |
| [19:11:23] | justTom: | http://pastebin.com/xm0MZJzk |
| [19:17:05] | SteveGoodey: | justTom: xorg log any help? |
| [19:22:09] | justTom: | no, not really – just says server failed |
| [19:22:33] | justTom: | is there a way to turn up the verbosity? |
| [19:24:26] | SteveGoodey: | Google suggests startx -logverbose [20] How you connecting the tv? |
| [19:24:26] | MythLogBot: | SVN 20: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/87afb9ad |
| [19:24:56] | justTom: | s-video |
| [19:25:07] | justTom: | I have an old skool CRT tv |
| [19:25:09] | justTom: | SD |
| [19:26:11] | justTom: | ...and actuattly now that I think about it, since the server doesn't fail (when I use the attached xorg.conf) there wouldn't be much to see |
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| [19:32:15] | SteveGoodey: | justTom: This any use? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/NVidiaProprietaryDriver |
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| [19:34:49] | justTom: | Thanks Steve, I'll check it out |
| [19:35:33] | SteveGoodey: | One gotcha mentioned was if box on before tv. |
| [19:36:30] | justTom: | Cool thnaks |
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| [23:44:31] | mikebronner: | Hey guys, looking for some help regarding washed out colors with my HD-PVR running on Mythbuntu 11.10. Anyone have any experience with this? |
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