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| [00:00:02] | Unknown_Monkey: | well i was looking at this DH67CF |
| [00:00:08] | wagnerrp: | the integrated AMD graphics may work fine under windows, but the drivers are historically bad under linux |
| [00:00:29] | wagnerrp: | thats just a motherboard, its rare for motherboards to have any kind of graphics these days |
| [00:01:48] | Unknown_Monkey: | alright so i think i have what i need, a i3 cpu, nvidia grpahics, PVR-150, and big harddrive |
| [00:02:23] | wagnerrp: | if you are getting discrete graphics, you can try going for a cheaper Core2 or AMD chip |
| [00:04:13] | Unknown_Monkey: | alright ill go with a core2 I have had a problem with AMD overheating |
| [00:04:59] | wagnerrp: | the only reason an AMD would overheat is because you gave it inadequate ventilation |
| [00:05:10] | simcop2387 is now known as SIMCOP2387 | |
| [00:05:15] | wagnerrp: | too small a heatsink, not enough ventilation in the case, something along those lines... |
| [00:05:28] | wagnerrp: | maybe a fan died, or got clogged with dust or hair |
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| [00:07:19] | Unknown_Monkey: | are ASUS motherboard good |
| [00:07:30] | wagnerrp: | decent enough |
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| [00:11:48] | Unknown_Monkey: | alright thanks for helping |
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| [02:53:43] | wagnerrp: | holy hell, we get to see the tumbler fly in TDKR |
| [02:54:36] | wagnerrp: | maybe thats not the tumbler |
| [03:00:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: were you looking for me? |
| [03:00:18] | sphery: | or is it too late? |
| [03:00:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, any chance you could get the file table into the database in the short term? |
| [03:00:41] | wagnerrp: | even if there are no code objects to deal with it |
| [03:00:59] | wagnerrp: | also, it would be nice if they were a pair of tables |
| [03:01:08] | wagnerrp: | one for the abstract file, containing the hashes |
| [03:01:27] | wagnerrp: | and one for all instances in all the filesystems of all the backends that match that hash |
| [03:01:46] | wagnerrp: | metadata would match against the hash, and the mythtv would decide where to best pull the file from |
| [03:01:55] | wagnerrp: | maybe a 'local' tag in the secondary table |
| [03:02:43] | sphery: | I'll try to get to it. I have visitors for a few weeks, and still need to re-re-re-re-...-do some of the design for the latest input I've been given |
| [03:02:56] | wagnerrp: | just been given? |
| [03:03:00] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:03:06] | sphery: | plus that :) |
| [03:03:14] | wagnerrp: | basically, i just want something i can use for the scanner |
| [03:03:26] | wagnerrp: | i want to put the scanner in place in some fashion for 0.26 |
| [03:03:29] | sphery: | though I still don't know why we wouldn't just know which file system is accessible from which hosts |
| [03:03:53] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt even have to be a final version, just something i preliminary that can be updated later |
| [03:04:11] | wagnerrp: | one host will still be the preferred host |
| [03:04:30] | wagnerrp: | we could have the master backend keep logs of what hosts have what filesystems locally |
| [03:04:33] | sphery: | expand the encoderlink file system info stuff so that it's kept around and available, and keep track of who can see which file systems and choose the best path for playback |
| [03:04:35] | wagnerrp: | so we dont have to store it in the database |
| [03:04:58] | wagnerrp: | locally, meaning physically local, rather than mounted over NFS |
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| [03:05:15] | [R]: | so today at work, this chick said "it doesnt fit" "its too big" |
| [03:05:25] | sphery: | then just store which file system each file is on as part of the mediafile table |
| [03:05:33] | wagnerrp: | thats what he likes to hear? |
| [03:05:50] | [R]: | rofl |
| [03:05:56] | [R]: | of course, she was atlking about an fpga |
| [03:05:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im saying there may be multiple instances of the file |
| [03:06:16] | wagnerrp: | duplicate copies, hardlinks, softlinks, files mounted in strange locations |
| [03:06:21] | wagnerrp: | ooh... ill need to consider that |
| [03:06:30] | wagnerrp: | partitions mounted below the storage group root |
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| [03:06:59] | wagnerrp: | may need to tag each file as local or not in the scan, rather than the filesystem as a whole |
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| [03:07:39] | sphery: | but the file system info wouldn't have to map to sg dirs |
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| [03:07:58] | wagnerrp: | or that |
| [03:08:10] | wagnerrp: | but right now, we only pull filesystem info specifically for the sg dirs |
| [03:08:23] | sphery: | though I guess that would involve scanning the sg dirs to find sub dirs and checking whether they're same/different file system |
| [03:08:25] | wagnerrp: | technically, i think we may only pull it for the non-special sg dirs |
| [03:08:47] | sphery: | (and/or trying to read file system info from the system versus just looking at the file system itself... :( ) |
| [03:09:10] | wagnerrp: | and then theres funky things like ZFS |
| [03:09:18] | wagnerrp: | where each subpartition shows up as a new drive mount |
| [03:09:25] | sphery: | though since we'll be doing a scan for videos, anyway, I suppose we wouldn't need to scan for new file systems except during a video scan.. |
| [03:09:26] | wagnerrp: | even though theyre using shared storage |
| [03:09:44] | wagnerrp: | well, videos, music, galleries |
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| [03:09:55] | sphery: | and, yeah, I'm thinking expand the whole file system info bit we have now |
| [03:10:05] | wagnerrp: | i want the mediafile table specifically because when i rewrite this, i want to do it in a general manner such that it can be used by those in the future |
| [03:10:06] | sphery: | rather than the "just per sg dir" stuff |
| [03:10:13] | wagnerrp: | rather than rewrite it now, and then rewrite it again |
| [03:10:18] | sphery: | right, makes sense |
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| [04:18:52] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: So my core2 duo is actualy 2.4 GHz, I told you it was 2.0 GHz earlier... just an update :p |
| [04:19:22] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: linux installing now |
| [04:20:05] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: I forgot I had two laptop hard drives 5400 rpm 160 GB left over from when I upgraded the HD's |
| [04:20:20] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: so I did not have to go buy one today :) |
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| [06:22:43] | Sharky112065: | "Y" and "C" do not work for me on live tv. |
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| [07:43:39] | hR13: | Hi any one knows howto or if possible to get mythfrontend on the android 4.0 mini PC ( MK802) |
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| [13:44:07] | raceme: | hello all. Since I upgraded my ubuntu to precise 12.04, my backend-only host lose the ability to automatically shutdown |
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| [13:48:13] | raceme: | before that upgrade I read in the logs: "I'm idle now... shutdown will occur in 3600 seconds." |
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| [14:17:27] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: you around? |
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| [14:30:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
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| [14:39:15] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: oh hey.. so I got the front end computer up and running :) but have a few questions. |
| [14:40:29] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: when I start the frontend, it prompts me with a menu of Drives for DVD. I only have one DVD/Blueray but I also have a card reader so it shows like 6 items. how can I get it to default to the DVD drive? |
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| [14:41:38] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: as in no menu |
| [14:41:48] | Sharky112065: | of drives |
| [14:42:06] | wagnerrp: | thats the mediamonitor doing something |
| [14:42:20] | wagnerrp: | im not really sure what its looking for, or why it would be repeatedly popping up |
| [14:42:57] | Sharky112065: | It does not repeatedly pop up. Just once at startup |
| [14:43:16] | wagnerrp: | every startup |
| [14:43:19] | Sharky112065: | yes |
| [14:43:28] | wagnerrp: | thats repeatedly |
| [14:43:52] | Sharky112065: | oh, I thought you ment repeatedly on the same session |
| [14:46:30] | Sharky112065: | My 9400 GT video card works pretty well. I set it to OpenGL HQ with VDPAU rendering. There is only a 1.5 sec stutter when fast forwarding or rewinding. After the fast forward/rewind then it stablizes out. |
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| [14:47:33] | Sharky112065: | So I may upgrade my video card, but it will do for now until I can research which card to get. The GT 470 looks good but Debian Squeeze does not have a working driver unless you use the backports repository, and that may not even work. |
| [14:48:20] | Sharky112065: | Its odd though that on that same box with Windows 7 and SageTV I never had any stuttering. but meh |
| [14:49:09] | wagnerrp: | opengl and vdpau are two different renderers |
| [14:49:15] | wagnerrp: | you can either do one or the other, not both |
| [14:50:44] | Sharky112065: | Fixes/0.25 V0.25.1-47-g5b843c1 downloaded about 8 hours ago has a bug. Setup --> Appearance --> LCD Device Display screen, you hit next and it kicks you back to the main menu. Sucks cause there is an option I want to set after that screen :p |
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| [14:51:35] | wagnerrp: | the LCD stuff specifically means little 40x2 (or so) character displays |
| [14:52:25] | Sharky112065: | I know, but hitting next on that screen to get to the next one (the one I need) kicks you back to the main menu |
| [14:52:37] | Sharky112065: | That is the bug. |
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| [14:52:49] | wagnerrp: | oh, i thought you meant it was broken out into its own menu item |
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| [14:52:52] | wagnerrp: | thats... odd.... |
| [14:53:03] | wagnerrp: | check the frontend logs, see if it reports anything bad |
| [14:53:13] | Sharky112065: | Introduced recently, because the version I had did not have the bug.. before I pulled last night |
| [14:53:31] | Sharky112065: | I did, I did not see anything that looked promising |
| [14:54:01] | Sharky112065: | I even deleted the log, started frontend went directly to that menu and quit as soon as it kicked me back to the main menu |
| [14:54:07] | Sharky112065: | so I would have a shorter log |
| [14:55:11] | Sharky112065: | All other setup screens work correctly, I checked them all |
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| [15:11:50] | Sharky112065: | wagnerrp: Is there any kind of messaging/loging from within mythfrontend that I can use my remomte to see if a recording had issues? |
| [15:12:24] | Sharky112065: | I havent seen any yet, so I dont know what will happen if a recording fails. |
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| [17:09:24] | skd5aner: | my HD-PVR has had 0 failed recordings in over 2 weeks now since swapping out the power supply – had a 70% failure rate before that |
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| [17:11:15] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: have you considered trying that (^) to see if it helps with any of your instabilities? |
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| [17:20:35] | Beirdo: | not yet. It works most of the time, just has its wonky times |
| [17:21:02] | Beirdo: | I will be putting a fan blowing across it soon though |
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| [18:17:35] | eaxxae: | is mythtv the most feature filled open source pvr system available ? |
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| [18:36:14] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: could be as simple though as the power supply... I'm guessing bad caps – I wonder if hauppauge would send a free replacement or not – i doubt it |
| [18:36:39] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: you should call them and ask. |
| [18:36:40] | skd5aner: | eaxxae: yes |
| [18:37:07] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yea – I've just been really swamped recently so I've been putting it off |
| [18:37:13] | skd5aner: | but probably ought to |
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| [18:44:42] | ** skd5aner listens to really crappy hold music that constantly goes in and out ** | |
| [18:48:52] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yup – they'll send me a new power supply free of charge |
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| [18:49:12] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: excellent. |
| [18:49:48] | skd5aner: | Weird thing, the amp rating on the two I had were different |
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| [18:49:57] | skd5aner: | I think one was 2amp and other was 3 amp if I remember correclty |
| [18:50:14] | devinheitmueller: | I'm pretty sure they have always been 2 amp. |
| [18:50:14] | skd5aner: | we'll see which one they send |
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| [18:50:29] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: heh – in the box they sent me |
| [18:50:43] | devinheitmueller: | (we use the same power brick in the MediaMVP-HD as the HD-PVR) |
| [18:50:48] | skd5aner: | borked one is 2.0a |
| [18:51:02] | skd5aner: | let me go look at the one that I pulled out of the other NIB one I had |
| [18:51:22] | smoothifier: | i have a pretty simple question. i'm running a pvr-500 and currently my capture setting is for 720x480. i only get standard definition. should I change this to 640x480? i see some clipping on PBS but it may be that they are doing it themselves. i don't see weird aspect ratios elsewhere. also, i have the bitrate set at 4500 and 6400. does this need to be this high? |
| [18:52:17] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yea, it is a 5v 3a |
| [18:52:35] | devinheitmueller: | interesting. |
| [18:52:44] | devinheitmueller: | Perhaps they changed it then. |
| [18:53:00] | devinheitmueller: | (or perhaps I'm misremembering) |
| [18:53:05] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: er, that should have read above "not in one of the two I bought" |
| [18:53:29] | skd5aner: | I think the older revision contained the 3a one, and the newer one had a 2a one |
| [18:53:52] | skd5aner: | Rev D2 was the one that came with 3a |
| [18:54:04] | skd5aner: | I think the other one is a Rev E# something |
| [18:54:17] | skd5aner: | (... that came with the 2a) |
| [18:54:33] | stuartm: | eaxxae: we'd like to think so, but we'd also have to admit that it's not perfect (yet) and it really could be a lot easier to setup, that really only changes if people take an interest in helping to improve it – for a project as large as MythTV is we're critically undermanned |
| [18:54:54] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: either way, the 3a one has been pretty stable on the device that came with the 2a one originally |
| [18:55:12] | skd5aner: | since I don't have to send this one back, maybe I'll pop it open and see what the caps look like inside |
| [18:56:20] | stuartm: | smoothifier: stick with 720x480, a smaller capture res isn't going to improve quality any |
| [18:57:49] | smoothifier: | ok, sounds good. i am noticing a lot of artifacts with the 4500 to 6000 bit rate anyway. a 1.5 horu recording takes about 3 gb. i just wonder if i should lower that a tad |
| [18:57:49] | skd5aner: | stuartm: have you (ie – devs) ever considered actively recruiting? |
| [18:58:24] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I mean, simply putting the word out that you're looking for good devs rather than waiting for them to show up on your doorstep (maybe, eventually)? |
| [18:58:32] | skd5aner: | or – is that kinda pointless? |
| [18:58:37] | stuartm: | smoothifier: that said I'm not in the US, so I'm not speaking from experience – here in europe we had widescreen SD (16:9) broadcasts long before HD existed |
| [18:59:24] | smoothifier: | on my cable, we get SD. you can pay for HD but i haven't done that yet. soon it will be mandatory and i'll retire this old analog equipment. |
| [18:59:56] | skd5aner: | smoothifier: HD won't be mandatory – digital will be |
| [18:59:59] | stuartm: | skd5aner: might pay off, though most open source developers are users of a product first so there's not much point going outside our user community with such requests |
| [19:00:18] | smoothifier: | oh right.. haha yeah... so i'll probably still have sd then :) |
| [19:00:26] | skd5aner: | smoothifier: you will likely still have SD channels, although not broadcast over analog |
| [19:01:21] | stuartm: | and in appear to ask for help we will probably end up with arguments when we refuse patches for quality etc, i.e. "you asked for help and then refuse it" |
| [19:01:31] | stuartm: | s/appear/appearing/ |
| [19:01:42] | skd5aner: | stuartm: well, I meant to other communities that overlap (libav/ffmpeg, ALSA, etc.) and may have a common interest/community/skillset |
| [19:01:57] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea :/ |
| [19:03:40] | stuartm: | skd5aner: maybe, I just can't say with any confidence that people who aren't already users would want to give their time, especially given the fact that they'd need to become users first with all the time and costs involved in setting up a functional MythTV install :) |
| [19:04:36] | stuartm: | that said with issues relating to specific topics there is no harm asking for help and advice from outside developers who have the experience |
| [19:04:40] | skd5aner: | You know... folks that write drivers for tuners and stuff... wink wink, nudge nudge *cough*devinheitmueller*cough* |
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| [19:06:24] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I just wonder if there are devs out there who are capable and willing, but don't really feel as though their efforts are needed/welcome |
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| [19:14:09] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: well, if they are already starting to contribute via patches, etc, they will almost definitely be noticed |
| [19:14:42] | Beirdo: | please note that in some cases, patches will be outright rejected due to legal murkiness and the like |
| [19:14:53] | Beirdo: | we've had cases of that |
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| [19:18:32] | stuartm: | I dare say there are some contributors who may feel their contributions have gone unnoticed, many of those are unintentional, some aren't – Top tip, no matter how good your work is you'll never get commit privs if you're rude, arrogant or unwilling to compromise because none of the developers will want to work with you |
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| [19:22:08] | Beirdo: | agreed there |
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| [19:22:20] | Beirdo: | there's the social side additional to the technical side |
| [19:24:25] | stuartm: | if you hang out and engage (meaningfully) in IRC then that helps too, we get to know you as a person rather than just a name/email address |
| [19:26:58] | stuartm: | just make sure you've got something worth saying before jumping into a conversation, butting in with a naive or irrelevant 'suggestion' on the subject at hand can have the opposite effect :) |
| [19:29:38] | stuartm: | come to us with a simple but undeniably useful patch and you're in the door – bug fixes, even simple typos are best – in fact I'd take a few tiny but solid bug fixes over a single big feature patch any day |
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| [21:05:11] | wizbit: | is there anything i should do before i upgrade mytthv 24.3 to 25.1 ? |
| [21:07:35] | stuartm: | wizbit: nothing required, the upgrade process should create it's own database backup just in case but it can't hurt to make your own if you're paranoid |
| [21:07:59] | stuartm: | wizbit: and read the release notes just in case |
| [21:08:30] | stuartm: | some forms of iptv are broken in 0.25, so you shouldn't upgrade if you use iptv |
| [21:08:43] | wizbit: | i use a nova-t 500 and dvb |
| [21:08:50] | wizbit: | dvb-t |
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| [21:09:03] | stuartm: | you should be fine then |
| [21:09:08] | wizbit: | ace :D |
| [21:09:31] | stuartm: | 0.25.2 is out on Monday fwiw |
| [21:09:38] | wizbit: | stuartm: is there a zoneminder plugin for 25.1? |
| [21:09:42] | wizbit: | ohh i might as well wait for that |
| [21:10:28] | stuartm: | wizbit: it's there yes |
| [21:11:39] | wizbit: | ace |
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| [21:38:48] | sl1ce: | i have removed pulseaudio entirely on my system and when i build mythtv it always has the pulse options compiled |
| [21:39:17] | sl1ce: | anyone know how to correct? |
| [21:40:10] | stuartm: | pulseaudio-dev(el) or similar installed? |
| [21:40:22] | sl1ce: | no all purged |
| [21:40:25] | stuartm: | sl1ce: you've re-run configure? |
| [21:40:49] | sl1ce: | yes and specifically used --disable-audio-pulse |
| [21:40:56] | stuartm: | run 'make distclean'? |
| [21:41:03] | sl1ce: | i did make clean |
| [21:41:12] | stuartm: | distclean is more thorough |
| [21:41:21] | sl1ce: | trying... |
| [21:42:20] | sl1ce: | :( |
| [21:42:24] | sl1ce: | nope |
| [21:43:32] | sl1ce: | for some reason i don't get the alsa option when i run --version |
| [21:43:54] | stuartm: | --disable-audio-pulseoutput |
| [21:43:54] | sl1ce: | only using_oss using_pulse using_pulseoutput |
| [21:44:35] | sl1ce: | trying... |
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| [21:45:56] | sl1ce: | still i get using_oss using_pulse using_pulseoutput |
| [21:48:35] | sl1ce: | dunno i get the correct output from configure |
| [21:48:38] | sl1ce: | # Sound Output Support |
| [21:48:40] | sl1ce: | PulseAudio support no |
| [21:48:42] | sl1ce: | OSS support yes |
| [21:48:43] | sl1ce: | ALSA support yes |
| [21:48:44] | sl1ce: | JACK support yes |
| [21:48:46] | sl1ce: | libfftw3 support no |
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| [22:18:07] | sl1ce: | interesting, if i just run .configure with no switches it works |
| [22:19:04] | sl1ce: | and i my video is still skipping |
| [22:19:13] | sl1ce: | doh |
| [22:19:25] | stuartm: | hmm, I wonder if the logic got switched by accident |
| [22:19:41] | stuartm: | sl1ce: what graphics hardware? |
| [22:20:03] | sl1ce: | nvidia gt9600 |
| [22:20:10] | sl1ce: | running vdpau |
| [22:20:28] | stuartm: | which video profile? |
| [22:20:52] | sl1ce: | lots of these Waited 204ms for video buffers AAAALAffAAAAAA |
| [22:21:20] | sl1ce: | VDPAU high quality |
| [22:21:59] | stuartm: | try a lower one, I'm not sure if that card has the power for 'high quality' deinterlacing |
| [22:22:09] | stuartm: | how much video ram? |
| [22:22:13] | sl1ce: | 1 gig |
| [22:22:33] | sl1ce: | trying VDPAU normal... |
| [22:23:11] | sl1ce: | same result |
| [22:23:47] | stuartm: | ok, so it's not the decoding then – although if you have another driver version available you might consider trying it |
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| [22:24:06] | sl1ce: | trying VDPAU slim.... |
| [22:24:20] | sl1ce: | same |
| [22:25:13] | sl1ce: | trying OpenGL high quality |
| [22:26:17] | sl1ce: | same |
| [22:26:50] | sl1ce: | it only happens with certain recordings, could it be a problem within the encoding? |
| [22:27:16] | sl1ce: | seems to always happen at certain areas of the recording also |
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| [22:28:28] | stuartm: | sl1ce: when you say 'skipping', are there any visual artefacts? Blockiness, audio squelch/noise? |
| [22:28:48] | sl1ce: | nope |
| [22:29:06] | sl1ce: | just this in terminal Waited 102ms for video buffers UUUuUULUUAuAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUAAUP |
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| [22:29:12] | stuartm: | does the same thing happen with another application? |
| [22:29:18] | sl1ce: | no |
| [22:29:34] | stuartm: | hmm odd |
| [22:29:52] | stuartm: | which version of MythTV? |
| [22:29:56] | sl1ce: | 0.25.1 |
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| [22:33:36] | sl1ce: | maybe i should bump the ring buffer size? |
| [22:36:41] | sl1ce: | ha, i maxed out the ring buffer and that did the trick |
| [22:37:02] | sl1ce: | now i gotta put pulse back lol |
| [22:37:21] | sl1ce: | apparently 9600 was too small |
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| [22:38:23] | sl1ce: | doh, it happend momentarily just now... ring buffer was a huge improvement |
| [22:39:00] | sl1ce: | perhaps my disc is too slow? |
| [22:40:28] | sl1ce: | anyway to improve that? |
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