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| [00:15:44] | Xeneth: | Hello people. Anyine know some good sites that work well with the internet TV plugin? |
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| [01:17:09] | ** J-e-f-f-A has never used the "Internet TV" plugin TBH... d'oh! But he's not running 0.25 yet either... d'oh! ;-) ** | |
| [01:19:47] | Xeneth: | "MythNetvision" plugin is more correct. With Youtube, it comes up with full screen. With Hulu, it just takes you to the page. Looking for aplace I can watch TV full screen. |
| [01:20:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Xeneth: I think for Hulu, you could still watch full-screen, but have to click on the [X] button (my ascii representation of the full-screen button!) manually with a mouse – IIRC. ;-) |
| [01:21:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Xeneth: IIRC, that's due to the 'terms of use'. |
| [01:21:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Which the MythTV team would not knowingly bypass, to avoid legal issues. |
| [01:25:08] | Xeneth: | I respect them for that, I really do, but I want full screen. :) So looking for a site to add using rss. |
| [01:26:03] | wahrhaft: | if you want hulu, you could always install hulu desktop and add it to your menu |
| [01:28:46] | Xeneth: | I am new to mythtv, so still playing around, not to mention I am not there right now.. Hulu is already an option. I did just go to hulu site and it did give the option for full screen there, did not see it on myth-web. |
| [01:28:53] | Xeneth: | maybe the flash plugin? |
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| [01:30:46] | wahrhaft: | Is anyone using a samsung cable box on time warner? I recently ended up with one and was curious about its firewire capabilities... |
| [01:31:26] | wahrhaft: | I can capture video, and using a channel changer program I can use channel up and down, but it doesn't do anything if I send it channel numbers directly |
| [01:31:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: Not me, but I have Motorola boxes. Probably the only thing you could count on is channel-changing, unfortunately. |
| [01:32:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: Of course, that's totally dependent on your cableco, not the box itself, but chances are they've locked up the FW output with 5C encryption. |
| [01:33:31] | wahrhaft: | yes, I can get video for all the network stations without a problem but the premium channels don't work |
| [01:33:42] | wahrhaft: | what i'd really like is to be able to change channels without an ir blaster |
| [01:34:13] | wahrhaft: | oddly enough, it sends back a failure code for the few commands that do work (channel up/down, the arrow keys, and the select key) and sends back success for all the commands that don't work |
| [01:34:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: that's typical. |
| [01:34:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: (getting all but premiums) |
| [01:35:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: Look at 6200ch – It will probably change the channels via FW. Works for my Moto 7200 boxes, and supports tons of boxes other than the original 6200 it was written for. ;-) |
| [01:35:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/6200ch |
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| [01:36:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: Although, IIRC, in 0.25 (and maybe 0.24 or 0.23 too), the internal FW channel-changer shares much of the same code. |
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| [01:37:27] | ** J-e-f-f-A is still running 0.24, with the intention to upgrade to 0.25.1 soon... ;-) ** | |
| [01:37:39] | ** J-e-f-f-A is also still using 6200ch.sh ;-) ** | |
| [01:37:40] | wahrhaft: | J-e-f-f-A: I was trying with http://code.google.com/p/stb-command/ on the command line |
| [01:38:14] | wahrhaft: | i'll give that other script a try and see what happens |
| [01:38:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: What model is your STB? |
| [01:38:54] | wahrhaft: | SMT-H3260, it's the same board as the STM-H3270 without the DVR part |
| [01:39:31] | wahrhaft: | I've been searching the google for both without finding too much helpful info |
| [01:40:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: Humm... don't see anything for Samsung or H3260 in the 6200ch script. d'oh! Mostly Motorola boxes, and some "Pace" boxes. |
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| [01:41:08] | wahrhaft: | there are a couple commands that work, but aren't too useful... and looking at the source for stb-command shows that the only difference between commands is just 1 number that changes |
| [01:42:27] | wahrhaft: | so not much room for bugs in that program |
| [01:42:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... looks like google turned up a -users post by 'greg12866' from 8/2011 with no response... d'oh! |
| [01:43:25] | wahrhaft: | been there, done that ;-) |
| [01:46:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: Humm... If FW won't work – then I'd suggest getting a M$ MCE receiver with IR Blasters – they are pretty easy to setup, and very reliable, and give you two independent channels of IR blasting, for 2 seperate receivers. |
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| [01:47:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: or, as other threads have turned up, see if your cableco has Motorola or Scientific Atlanta box(es) instead to swap out. |
| [01:48:43] | wahrhaft: | hmm, didn't think of swapping it out |
| [01:49:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: but they're probably moving *from* the Motorola / SA boxes *to* Samsung – so that may not be possible. |
| [01:49:54] | wahrhaft: | but it really seems like the firewire is broken at the firmware level on the box |
| [01:50:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: It's probably just disabled by the cableco, TBH. |
| [01:50:46] | wahrhaft: | why would they disable just the digits and not the arrow keys? |
| [01:51:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: BTW – I ran IR blasters reliably for a number of years (~2005–2009) without many missed channel-changes... And the blasters of an MCE transmitter are simple to setup compared to serial, etc. ;-) |
| [01:51:11] | wahrhaft: | and send back a failure response to the commands that work, but a success response to the commands that don't? |
| [01:51:29] | wahrhaft: | as a programmer, that blows my mind :-) |
| [01:51:50] | wahrhaft: | is the MCE blaster USB? |
| [01:53:13] | wahrhaft: | If I have to go to a blaster I kinda wanted something nicer than my current homebrew serial IR receiver dangling out the back of my PC, so maybe the MCE would be a good option |
| [01:53:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yep. |
| [01:54:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: I ran a serial blaster up until about 2008. |
| [01:55:11] | wahrhaft: | there's nothing wrong with it, except it's ugly and I had to make a connector for the serial header on my mobo |
| [01:56:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: In 2009 I upgraded to HD, and was able to use FW to do channel-changes on my HD boxes. I still used IR on one SD (IPTV STB) unit until about 6 months ago, when I cancelled that service. |
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| [01:57:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: so in 2009, I switched from a home-brew serial blaster to using the IR blaster output of the MCE receiver that I already had. It was about 500% simpler than the serial blaster. ;-) |
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| [02:05:51] | wahrhaft: | J-e-f-f-A, thanks for the recommendation. I'd kinda figured I might have to use a blaster, but was holding out hope that someone else had figured out otherwise. |
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| [02:06:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: yeah, I don't see any replies for that box – so I don't know what to tell you besides trying to somehow reverse-engineer it (if you have time/resources to do so), or switching the box out, or using IR. |
| [02:08:13] | wahrhaft: | i tried a little bit of option #1 already, I ran through all 256 button codes in a loop to see if there there was anything outside the spec that worked |
| [02:08:13] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [02:08:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: and up/down worked, but no # keys? |
| [02:09:03] | wahrhaft: | the arrow keys, select, exit, and channel up/down |
| [02:09:07] | wahrhaft: | nothing else |
| [02:09:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | gah. bums! |
| [02:09:34] | wahrhaft: | come to think of it, that matches the physical buttons on the front of the box |
| [02:09:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | I wonder if it works with "tivo"? |
| [02:09:45] | wahrhaft: | maybe they really did turn off the rest of them |
| [02:10:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, what I've noticed, is that sending channel-change commands via FW simulates using the remote control on my Motorola boxes... but I can send the commands MUCH faster. (.01 secs between digits via FW) |
| [02:11:27] | wahrhaft: | makes sense |
| [02:11:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | When I was using IR, I used to send it almost as fast as it would take it... then added a slight amount of delay to help ensure 'proper' channel changing. I was using Dish Network STB's at the time though. |
| [02:12:35] | ** J-e-f-f-A is suprised to see 5 simultaneous recordings going at once right now... 2 on STB in HD, 3 on OTA in HD. ;-) ** | |
| [02:13:41] | wahrhaft: | nice, i wish i got OTA here |
| [02:13:51] | ** J-e-f-f-A sees "Storage Wars", "Necessary Roughness" "America's Got Talent" "Fox 25 News @ 10", and "CSI" all recording. ;-) MuWaHaHa! ;-) ** | |
| [02:14:13] | ** J-e-f-f-A <3's MythTV !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ** | |
| [02:14:27] | ** wagnerrp spots signs of life in sphery ** | |
| [02:14:39] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ;-) ** | |
| [02:15:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: Where ya at? |
| [02:15:21] | wahrhaft: | middle of nowhere, OH |
| [02:15:37] | wagnerrp: | flyover territory? |
| [02:15:49] | wahrhaft: | on the fringe of the Columbus range |
| [02:15:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: Surely you can pick up *something* with OTA with a decent Yagi UHF antenna... ;-) |
| [02:16:17] | wahrhaft: | and I'm in an apartment which makes a decent antenna difficult |
| [02:16:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | wahrhaft: I use a 75-mile Yagi to pick up stations that are about 22 miles away, but with 2 hills in the way. works out pretty good on all but 2 channels of 12... |
| [02:17:40] | [R]: | your antenna is 75miles long!? |
| [02:18:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: hehehe... it's a '75 mile' rated antenna. ;-) Rat-shack UHF-75 IIRC. ;-) |
| [02:18:16] | [R]: | lol |
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| [02:18:56] | wahrhaft: | haha, trying to catch TV from outer space? |
| [02:19:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | [R]: hehehe.. ;-) Model is U-75R now that I googled it. ;-) |
| [02:21:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | And it looks like it's no longer available from RS? eek! |
| [02:21:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's a great UHF antenna!!!! D'oh!!!! |
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| [03:43:44] | wagnerrp: | anyone know what 'gsa' might stand for? |
| [03:44:34] | wagnerrp: | specifically, something related to span or SEO |
| [03:44:52] | wagnerrp: | im seeing it show up repeatedly in junk email accounts registering to the wiki |
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| [04:21:08] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: GSA = US General Services Administration, don't know if that is it or not. |
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| [04:22:18] | Sharky112065: | GSA employs about 12,000 federal workers and has an annual operating budget of roughly $26.3 billion. GSA oversees $66 billion of procurement annually. |
| [04:23:03] | wagnerrp: | and "panicgsa@thepanicattacksolution.com " ? |
| [04:23:22] | wagnerrp: | i see 'gsa' just arbitrarily thrown into email addresses like that |
| [04:23:45] | wagnerrp: | far too often for it to be a coincidence |
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| [05:13:35] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: Do the backend and frontend versions have to be an exact match? since I will have to rely on someone elses builds for the windows version, the front end may be slightly behind. |
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| [05:29:11] | wagnerrp: | the schema and protocol versions need to match |
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| [05:32:19] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: not sure I know what that means.. I currently have v0.25.1-43–873bc45e on my backend and the current version avail for windows is v0.25.1-45-g25dd4ce. Will that work? |
| [05:35:01] | wagnerrp: | 0.25 and 0.25.1 can be used together |
| [05:35:05] | wagnerrp: | as there were no schema or protocol bumps associated with that point release |
| [05:35:13] | wagnerrp: | however that may not always be the case |
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| [05:35:34] | wagnerrp: | a bump necessitates a point release, but not the other way around |
| [05:37:47] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: OK thanks. I'm giving up on cross compile and mingw windows compile spent 3 18+ hour days on it, with nothing but fail to show for it. |
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| [06:36:13] | Sharky112065: | Anyone that can help me figure out why dprintf is not defind and the compile errors out? Cross compile with mingw32. http://pastebin.com/m55GBBcM |
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| [09:38:52] | Agrajag-: | g'day, just wondering how the EIT guide data works. does the backend scan while the tuner isn't in use or something? or does it only update when i watch/record each channel? |
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| [11:04:33] | Xeneth: | Is there anyplace that has grabbers I can use for mythnetvision other then what comes with it? |
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| [13:59:29] | Sharky112065: | any ideas on why my frontend on a different computer cannot connect to the database ie 192.168.0.1, and I checked firewall. I can ping that address from a cmd prompt |
| [14:03:31] | wagnerrp: | mysql is set not to allow network access |
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| [14:07:52] | Sharky112065: | That is probably it, lol but I do not know what to type to change it. |
| [14:08:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall off hand, bind-networking maybe |
| [14:08:55] | wagnerrp: | its in the my.cnf file |
| [14:09:01] | wagnerrp: | described in myth's documentation |
| [14:10:16] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: ok thanks, ill look at the docs in a bit. I need to get this recompiling again the script author has made changes that fix some problems. |
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| [14:41:16] | Sharky112065: | +wagnerrp: thanks. Got it. The windows version is really really slow :( |
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| [15:03:09] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: FWIW, it appears that if CONFIG_QTDBUS isn't set. MythTV 0.25.x will fail to compile with gcc 4.6 and higher due to there not being non-inline definitions of a member of a class. |
| [15:03:37] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411547 around comment 40 and on. |
| [15:03:46] | wagnerrp: | ok, will correct |
| [15:03:58] | wagnerrp: | im going to get a large bump and the new generator out tonight or tomorrow |
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| [15:06:28] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: sounds good |
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| [15:10:50] | wagnerrp: | will try to get some kind of autobuild/update running this weekend |
| [15:11:20] | wagnerrp: | having trouble figuring out how to use dulwich |
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| [15:44:11] | wagnerrp: | !seen Steve-Goodey |
| [15:44:11] | MythLogBot: | Steve-Goodey was last seen 1 day 17 hours 51 minutes 53 seconds ago |
| [15:45:38] | Sharky112065: | Hmm. I found another bug. On my hdhome runs every now and then I cannot tune any channel other than 0,0 when using live tv. But if I schedule a recording and it starts recording, I can then tune all tuners with live tv, even when the recording is complete. HDHOMERUN white box, non Cable Card. |
| [15:45:50] | wagnerrp: | 0,0? |
| [15:46:23] | Sharky112065: | I have no idea what that channel really is by the guide, it is the default channel in mythtv-setup for each tuner |
| [15:46:45] | Sharky112065: | its a standard def channel of some kind, not HD |
| [15:47:05] | wagnerrp: | the default channel is just the lowest number in the list, unless you specify otherwise |
| [15:47:22] | wagnerrp: | is it possible you are seeing some kind of virtual tuner effect? |
| [15:47:36] | wagnerrp: | locked into a mux because something else was already using that tuner? |
| [15:47:37] | Sharky112065: | I do not have a 0,0 in my channel list. And it does not show up on the on screen guide. |
| [15:47:57] | wagnerrp: | a channel you have marked as not visible? |
| [15:47:58] | Sharky112065: | Nothing was using any of the tuners. Not at this time of the day |
| [15:48:05] | Sharky112065: | probably yes |
| [15:48:25] | Sharky112065: | in the setup for each tuner it has a field for default channel, they all say 0,0 |
| [15:48:43] | Sharky112065: | and 0,0 is what shows up on the screen when it tunes via live tv |
| [15:48:45] | wagnerrp: | right, because you have not told it otherwise |
| [15:49:00] | wagnerrp: | its just a spinbox, with the default selection being the first entry |
| [15:49:06] | wagnerrp: | unless one is otherwise defined in the database |
| [15:49:18] | Sharky112065: | i have no issue with that, just the bug :) |
| [15:49:37] | wagnerrp: | livetv is always showing up with these strange bugs |
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| [15:49:49] | wagnerrp: | largely because it is rarely used among the developer base |
| [15:50:02] | Sharky112065: | plus I could see the lights on all of the HDHOMERUN boxes and none were active prior to me trying live tv |
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| [15:54:15] | Sharky112065: | I will hardly ever use live tv as well, but since I do not have a STB anymore, ocasionally I would like to be able to use it. |
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| [17:01:39] | Sharky112065: | Well the windows version of Mythtv is a festering piece of donkey #$%#. I will go pick up a spare drive later today and install Linux on it so I can still boot the other drive when I need windows. |
| [17:01:53] | Sharky112065: | Linux version runs great |
| [17:02:43] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [17:02:46] | wagnerrp: | use netboot |
| [17:03:17] | wagnerrp: | just set it up so the windows box can alternatively boot to a network install hosted by some server on your network |
| [17:03:33] | Sharky112065: | oh yeah, I could do that |
| [17:04:02] | wagnerrp: | ive actually got all the computers in my house designed to run PXE and PXELinux first |
| [17:04:03] | Sharky112065: | Now I just have to learn how to set that up |
| [17:04:32] | wagnerrp: | with a menu offering things like memtest, partition magic, repair tools, before rolling over to chainload the hard drive after a short delay |
| [17:04:34] | Sharky112065: | How fast will it be like that? |
| [17:05:00] | wagnerrp: | in what way? |
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| [17:05:37] | Sharky112065: | well resource wise it will not have a HD so eveything will have to xfer over the network, so Im wondering what kind of a performance hit |
| [17:07:18] | wagnerrp: | for just mythtv? not really a problem |
| [17:07:29] | wagnerrp: | everything is going to get loaded in memory the first time you use it |
| [17:07:38] | wagnerrp: | after which, its extremely fast |
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| [17:08:06] | Sharky112065: | Windows with mythtv was so bad I would watch the inital live tv channel and when I hit s to see the guide, it kept locking up on me |
| [17:08:08] | wagnerrp: | depending on how you configure the PXE boot, some have a read-only data layer, with a memory disk mounted on top of it |
| [17:08:24] | wagnerrp: | so all writes only exist in memory (along with all reads in memory) |
| [17:08:52] | Sharky112065: | That pc only has 4 GB of ram and is a 2GHz core 2 |
| [17:08:53] | wagnerrp: | there's at least a couple users who dump a whole linux distribution in a memory disk, and dont even bother with the remote file system |
| [17:09:00] | Sharky112065: | will it be fast enough? |
| [17:09:20] | wagnerrp: | a 2GHz Core2 may be a bit light for some things |
| [17:09:33] | wagnerrp: | youre just doing broadcast HD MPEG2 currently, right? |
| [17:09:55] | Sharky112065: | yes, well I watch movies as well avi files and mkv |
| [17:10:15] | wagnerrp: | the MPEG2 stuff is not a problem |
| [17:10:20] | Sharky112065: | It runs sagetv just fine with no hiccups |
| [17:10:28] | wagnerrp: | anything you may have encoded to avi ages ago would not be a problem |
| [17:10:37] | wagnerrp: | anything mkv should not be a problem if encoded properly |
| [17:10:42] | wagnerrp: | "properly" meaning multi-sliced |
| [17:10:53] | wagnerrp: | such that mythtv can decode it multi-threaded |
| [17:11:13] | wagnerrp: | if not, a 2GHz Core2 will top out somewhere around 10Mbps per core |
| [17:11:39] | wagnerrp: | 10–12Mbps |
| [17:11:51] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card? |
| [17:11:58] | Sharky112065: | Its just a frontend |
| [17:12:06] | Sharky112065: | backend runs on my sever |
| [17:12:12] | wagnerrp: | ok? |
| [17:12:21] | Sharky112065: | Nvidia 9400 |
| [17:12:37] | wagnerrp: | oh right, you said it was some rare discrete 9400 didnt you |
| [17:12:39] | Sharky112065: | Same as what Ihave in my server and that runs smooth |
| [17:13:01] | Sharky112065: | Well I guess its rare now, but it was brand new 3 yrs ago |
| [17:13:15] | wagnerrp: | it was rare when it was brand new |
| [17:13:21] | Sharky112065: | Gforce 9400 GT |
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| [17:14:10] | wagnerrp: | those low end 9-series chips were generally only used on mobile systems |
| [17:14:18] | Sharky112065: | Well the one in the server has no problems with anything ive thrown at it on Mythtv frontend |
| [17:14:49] | wagnerrp: | on linux, you can use VDPAU to pick up just about anything your CPU cant handle |
| [17:15:01] | Sharky112065: | Thats what im doing |
| [17:15:05] | wagnerrp: | on windows, there is no hardware offload besides the standard hardware scaling and colorspace |
| [17:16:23] | Sharky112065: | Im not to worried about the video, I can throw a newer video card in it if I need to. I just really do not wnat to replace the MB, CPU, and RAM |
| [17:16:42] | wagnerrp: | if you just want playback, and dont need livetv |
| [17:17:02] | wagnerrp: | you can always access the content through the filesystem using something like mythlink, or the asx streams in mythweb |
| [17:24:41] | Sharky112065: | yeah, think I prefer to just put a 2nd HD in the computer, when im done with SageTV, ill yank out the windows one |
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| [17:25:19] | wagnerrp: | so this is intended for use as a frontend, not just a desktop |
| [17:25:25] | Sharky112065: | Wish I would have know about how slow the windows version was. I wasted 3 days on it |
| [17:25:41] | Sharky112065: | nope it just sits in the living room under the tv |
| [17:26:03] | Sharky112065: | has a firefly remote that I will have to figure out how to setup |
| [17:26:11] | Sharky112065: | I hate IR |
| [17:26:47] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, ive not heard of it being slow |
| [17:27:01] | wagnerrp: | perhaps try forcing it to use the Qt renderer rather than opengl |
| [17:27:32] | Sharky112065: | Ill try that sec |
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| [17:29:23] | Sharky112065: | Set video playback profile to normal instead of open gl right?> |
| [17:30:37] | wagnerrp: | no, UI renderer |
| [17:30:39] | wagnerrp: | not video |
| [17:30:59] | wagnerrp: | you said it was the UI that had problems, right? |
| [17:31:14] | Sharky112065: | Yep and it still does |
| [17:31:32] | Sharky112065: | even with it off of open gl |
| [17:32:04] | Sharky112065: | Video playback looked good on the initial tuned channel. Its when I hit s to bring up the guide that it locks |
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| [17:33:16] | Sharky112065: | Well ive got to take a nap if im going ot get that drive this afternoon, ive had no sleep. I only have until tomorrow to get it all working because I need to pull the Ceton cards out of my media center rig |
| [17:33:23] | Sharky112065: | and put in thie backend server |
| [17:34:09] | Sharky112065: | Luckily I wrote down step by step eveything I did to install/compile on Debian Squeeze. |
| [17:37:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: this JSON object youre sending to the log server, it looks like its just a key/value map of eveything defined as a Q_PROPERTY? |
| [17:37:53] | Sharky112065: | Nice, computerstop has a 500 GB western digital refurbished HD for 29.97 and a 3 yr warranty |
| [17:38:04] | Sharky112065: | way more than I need |
| [17:38:48] | Sharky112065: | alright talk at ya later.. thanks for your help. |
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| [17:41:13] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [17:41:37] | Beirdo: | that's how you quickly convert QObject -> JSON |
| [17:41:40] | wagnerrp: | im guessing order doesnt mattter |
| [17:41:42] | Beirdo: | and vice versa |
| [17:41:46] | Beirdo: | it shouldn't |
| [17:42:06] | Beirdo: | if it does, I'd be rather surprised |
| [17:42:39] | wagnerrp: | and you just send the whole thing with no other wrapping across the line? |
| [17:42:44] | Beirdo: | if you get an empty (0-byte) message, you need to send back a 0-byte message (heartbeat) |
| [17:42:47] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [17:43:01] | Beirdo: | as far as I know |
| [17:43:06] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [17:43:08] | wagnerrp: | sounds good |
| [17:43:15] | Beirdo: | no, I think zeromq wraps it |
| [17:43:28] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i need to send heartbeats at least one per second? |
| [17:43:29] | Beirdo: | there is a zeromq setup for python anyways |
| [17:43:42] | Beirdo: | just need to reply when you get one |
| [17:43:43] | wagnerrp: | (and check for them to restart as necessary) |
| [17:43:50] | wagnerrp: | oh, it sends the heartbeat |
| [17:44:03] | Beirdo: | yup, although when you start up, you send one |
| [17:44:09] | Beirdo: | to prime the pump as it were |
| [17:44:17] | wagnerrp: | and the local thread still runs the terminal logs? |
| [17:44:36] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [17:44:51] | wagnerrp: | --quiet kills terminal logging? |
| [17:45:01] | wagnerrp: | or is it two --quiet --quiet s |
| [17:45:06] | Beirdo: | it should, I didn't change that part of the code |
| [17:45:29] | Beirdo: | http://www.zeromq.org/bindings:python |
| [17:45:30] | Beirdo: | BTW |
| [17:45:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got them installed |
| [17:46:01] | wagnerrp: | i making them optional |
| [17:46:09] | wagnerrp: | use it if available, dont if not installed |
| [17:46:18] | Beirdo: | cool. as long as you use that to connect to the logserver, it should work OK |
| [17:46:43] | Beirdo: | well, if not installed, you have no logging unless the python bindings provides another path |
| [17:47:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im going to fall back to the old logging methods |
| [17:47:40] | wagnerrp: | the bindings log directly, rather than farming out to the log server |
| [17:47:44] | Beirdo: | fair enough. Your maintenance nightmare :) |
| [17:47:54] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:48:00] | wagnerrp: | its most of the same code either way |
| [17:48:09] | Beirdo: | yeah, it is |
| [17:48:38] | Beirdo: | and with the data protocol being JSON, should be fairly simple to bolt on |
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| [17:48:58] | Beirdo: | which is why I used that rather than some other newfangled nonsense |
| [17:49:04] | Beirdo: | errr, cool stuf f:) |
| [17:49:11] | wagnerrp: | basically, instead of writing to file/database/syslog myself, i shortcut those and dump it over zeromq |
| [17:49:16] | Beirdo: | can even get it into nuvexport |
| [17:49:22] | wagnerrp: | and thats the part thats all already written |
| [17:49:29] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:49:38] | Beirdo: | sounds about right |
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| [17:52:37] | Beirdo: | hmm, separate twisted bindings? |
| [17:52:46] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [17:52:56] | Beirdo: | http://www.zeromq.org/bindings:twisted |
| [17:53:02] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [17:53:17] | wagnerrp: | probably one using the raw socket libraries, and one using twisted's event loop |
| [17:53:45] | Beirdo: | probably |
| [17:56:05] | wagnerrp: | honestly though, i would expect ZMQ's internal stuff to be far higher performance than anything twisted could provide |
| [17:56:15] | wagnerrp: | considering its compiled C, compared to twisted's python |
| [17:56:38] | Beirdo: | I think it's just a twisted layer over top of the normal python bindings |
| [17:56:48] | Beirdo: | similar to nzmqt is for Qt |
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| [18:04:59] | Beirdo: | oO |
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| [18:58:44] | SteveGoodey: | wagnerrp: Busy day kicking people off the Wiki. |
| [18:59:37] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [19:00:37] | SteveGoodey: | Is this just people trying to up pages on Google page ranking? |
| [19:01:51] | wagnerrp: | i honestly have no idea.... |
| [19:02:01] | wagnerrp: | most of them dont even bother to authenticate the accounts |
| [19:02:25] | wagnerrp: | heres what im looking at... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jLQxes3K |
| [19:04:08] | gregL: | Is there a check box to set for auto metadata download?It works fine if I push W,but auto don't seem to work... |
| [19:04:21] | SteveGoodey: | wagnerrp: Is this recent or long term? |
| [19:04:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | hi folks ... i have several MKV files that are pixelated in 0.24 ... it's like after a few seconds, it "catches up" and the picture is fine until the scene drastically changes and then it becomes pixelated again and the process repeats |
| [19:04:36] | wagnerrp: | thats a segment of activity in the last two weeks |
| [19:05:03] | wagnerrp: | all from what i believe is the same person |
| [19:05:24] | wagnerrp: | based off similar IP addresses and username lengths |
| [19:05:43] | wagnerrp: | tlhiv_laptop: using VDPAU or software decoding? |
| [19:05:56] | tlhiv_laptop: | how do i check? |
| [19:06:13] | wagnerrp: | well you would have had to manually set it to use vdpau |
| [19:06:18] | wagnerrp: | what hardware is this? |
| [19:06:30] | tlhiv_laptop: | ATI Radeon HD |
| [19:06:38] | tlhiv_laptop: | 9600 i believe |
| [19:06:39] | wagnerrp: | eew... then not vdpau |
| [19:06:47] | wagnerrp: | old one too |
| [19:07:09] | wagnerrp: | old Throughbred or Barton core? |
| [19:07:15] | tlhiv_laptop: | i was wrong |
| [19:07:29] | tlhiv_laptop: | ATI Radeon HD 4600 |
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| [19:08:03] | tlhiv_laptop: | AMD Opteron (Dual) |
| [19:08:24] | tlhiv_laptop: | how do i check decoding ? |
| [19:08:24] | wagnerrp: | what speed? |
| [19:08:33] | wagnerrp: | youre using software decoding |
| [19:08:38] | tlhiv_laptop: | 2.4GHz |
| [19:08:40] | tlhiv_laptop: | each |
| [19:08:51] | tlhiv_laptop: | Opteron 250 |
| [19:09:19] | wagnerrp: | have a copy of mediainfo? |
| [19:10:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm seeing if portage has it |
| [19:10:29] | wagnerrp: | if you dont, dont worry about it |
| [19:10:36] | wagnerrp: | just open the mkv in a text editor |
| [19:10:39] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm installing it now |
| [19:10:54] | wagnerrp: | a few KB in, youll see the x264 configuration message |
| [19:10:57] | wagnerrp: | pastebin that |
| [19:12:30] | tlhiv_laptop: | http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/FVvhxSYC |
| [19:12:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | is that it? |
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| [19:15:13] | wagnerrp: | 423... this is standard definition? |
| [19:16:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | 640x352 |
| [19:17:33] | wagnerrp: | then the CPU is definitely not going to have any trouble keeping up |
| [19:18:20] | tlhiv_laptop: | is there any way to test my settings? |
| [19:18:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | playback i mean |
| [19:18:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | optimize them maybe |
| [19:18:51] | wagnerrp: | youre using the fglrx drivers? |
| [19:19:38] | tlhiv_laptop: | radeon + fglrx ... but no GL because it seems to give issues |
| [19:20:21] | wagnerrp: | ATI graphics in general seems to give issues |
| [19:20:37] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i would just scrap the graphics card, and spend $20 on something nvidia |
| [19:21:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | radeon driver ... not fglrx or ati ... i have them disabled |
| [19:22:23] | wagnerrp: | the open source driver? |
| [19:22:28] | tlhiv_laptop: | well i need an AGP card with HDMI |
| [19:22:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | yes ... the open source driver |
| [19:22:59] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize AMD made 4-series AGP cards |
| [19:23:15] | wagnerrp: | and im a bit surprised a dual-socket 940 board would even have an AGP slot |
| [19:23:24] | tlhiv_laptop: | :-) |
| [19:23:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | it does ... Tyan Thunder K8W |
| [19:24:18] | wagnerrp: | this machine is always on? |
| [19:24:39] | tlhiv_laptop: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125281 |
| [19:25:06] | tlhiv_laptop: | yes ... always on ... i use it for MythTV and soon to be Skype |
| [19:25:13] | wagnerrp: | scrap it |
| [19:25:54] | tlhiv_laptop: | well this machine cost like $7k when i built it in 2004, and i don't want to scrap it ;) |
| [19:26:08] | wagnerrp: | no sense carrying around 8yr old power hungry hardware, especially for something that never turns off |
| [19:26:48] | wagnerrp: | that thing probably idles at 200W |
| [19:27:23] | wagnerrp: | and has less power than any (mainstream) CPU you can buy today |
| [19:27:36] | tlhiv_laptop: | here's output from mediinfo --> http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/J6Lhr93n |
| [19:28:00] | wagnerrp: | didnt need it, i was looking to see if it was performance related, specifically for the bitrate and slicing settings |
| [19:28:11] | wagnerrp: | but for standard definition, you should not have any performance problems |
| [19:28:36] | tlhiv_laptop: | how can i verify playback settings are correct? |
| [19:29:02] | wagnerrp: | im just saying modern hardware is going to idle at a small fraction of what that DP opteron does |
| [19:29:16] | wagnerrp: | and the hardware will pay for itself in reduced power costs in under two years |
| [19:29:54] | tlhiv_laptop: | agreed ... but i really don't want to trash this machine yet ;) |
| [19:31:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont really know what you want in regards to playback settings on an ATI card |
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| [19:32:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | well these MKV files are the only files that i have seen that playback like this |
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| [19:53:58] | SteveGoodey: | wagnerrp: Using some of that info you pastebinned I came across http://www.stopforumspam.com. Seems they have an api that can perhaps help. Any mileage in that ? |
| [19:54:54] | wagnerrp: | i think we might use them for trac |
| [19:55:17] | wagnerrp: | there's like half a dozen different APIs it pulls from to reject tickets and comments |
| [19:56:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah... akismet, blogspam, defensio, linksleeve, stopforumspam, and typepad |
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| [19:58:07] | SteveGoodey: | Ah OK. Thought you'd be on top of it. Sorry to bother you. :-) |
| [19:58:25] | wagnerrp: | well no, thats trac... the wiki doesnt really do anything |
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| [20:11:09] | wagnerrp: | SteveGoodey: if you're curious, heres the full query, minus anyone i suspect to actually be an innocent... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zgjKUYMB |
| [20:12:02] | SteveGoodey: | Thanks. |
| [20:13:54] | wagnerrp: | lets you see whole areas of the interet, like 176.9 or 184.22, that we would be better off just nuking |
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| [20:18:30] | Guierrmo: | Is there a trick to updating the timezone for mythweb? Moved from east coast to west coast, updated timezone, combined frontend/backend has the correct time, but mythweb is off by three hours. |
| [20:18:57] | Guierrmo: | I updated php.ini as suggested in the archive, but no luck. |
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| [20:39:33] | Guierrmo: | nevermind, found the fix: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'TRUNCATE TABLE mythweb_sessions;' |
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| [22:52:58] | Unknown_Monkey: | Hey guys im making a dvr for my house and im confuessed about do I need a caputre card and a encoder card |
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| [23:04:15] | Unknown_Monkey: | can anyone help me |
| [23:07:57] | _abbenormal: | i guess the bigger ? is what source are you using to get the signal into the system and type of signal you are getting from would answer that ? |
| [23:08:41] | Unknown_Monkey: | its just standered cabel from time warner |
| [23:08:59] | _abbenormal: | so from there box |
| [23:10:35] | Unknown_Monkey: | no there is no box im sorry really i noob |
| [23:10:55] | wagnerrp: | analog cable straight off the line? |
| [23:11:10] | wagnerrp: | in that case, look for an old PVR-150 or PVR-500 |
| [23:11:16] | _abbenormal: | so then a tuner card tv type |
| [23:11:46] | wagnerrp: | pretty much everything you get will have a tuner |
| [23:12:06] | wagnerrp: | since dedicated capture cards tend to be for professional or security purposes, and much more expensive than what youre looking for |
| [23:13:27] | Unknown_Monkey: | alright thanks am i going to need a graphics card or is the onboard graphics good enough |
| [23:19:01] | wagnerrp: | depends on what the onboard graphics are |
| [23:23:30] | Unknown_Monkey: | alright and just to get this straight the cable line goes into the tuner card say the PVR-150 and then say i had hdmi on my motherboard i would push it out through hdmi to the tv |
| [23:23:43] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:23:59] | wagnerrp: | or, those two functions could be served by two different machines |
| [23:24:19] | wagnerrp: | the recording and playback in mythtv are handled by separate applications, that connect to each other over the internet. |
| [23:24:24] | wagnerrp: | s/internet/network/ |
| [23:25:33] | Unknown_Monkey: | Do i have to make two machines on for the backend and one for the frontend or can i only make one machine have it act as both and still do all the funtcions |
| [23:25:57] | wagnerrp: | backends record, frontends play |
| [23:26:07] | wagnerrp: | you can have multiples of each, and you can run both on the same system |
| [23:28:58] | Unknown_Monkey: | alright know i was reading the myth howto and they said that myth makes some big files and they recommend that you run a 64bit filesystem with JFS or did i read that wrong |
| [23:29:18] | wagnerrp: | jfs, xfs, ext4, all decent enough choices |
| [23:29:25] | wagnerrp: | its simply recommended you dont use ext2/3 |
| [23:29:32] | wagnerrp: | as those have a nasty issue with deleting large files |
| [23:29:52] | Unknown_Monkey: | alright |
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| [23:39:09] | Unknown_Monkey: | know the PVR-150 is going to be encoding and decoding with hardware not software so im noting going to need a really fast CPU right |
| [23:39:29] | wagnerrp: | encoding only, the PVR-150 does not decode video |
| [23:40:03] | wagnerrp: | and while you dont need a "fast CPU", im not sure i like where i think you're heading with that train of thought |
| [23:40:09] | wagnerrp: | what were you considering instead? |
| [23:41:13] | Unknown_Monkey: | I was considering like a VIA mini itx motherboarb |
| [23:41:28] | wagnerrp: | no, absolutely avoid VIA |
| [23:43:43] | Unknown_Monkey: | alright just off the top of your head what would you recommend for a intire system but staying with one tower i dont want to make two one for backend and one for frontend |
| [23:44:21] | wagnerrp: | i would recommend a little i3, or sandy bridge based pentium |
| [23:45:01] | Unknown_Monkey: | alright what card would you recommend thats going to encode and decode |
| [23:45:11] | wagnerrp: | decode? |
| [23:45:20] | wagnerrp: | thats what your CPU is for |
| [23:45:38] | Unknown_Monkey: | oh alright like i said noob |
| [23:46:53] | wagnerrp: | this is going to just be a single contained "appliance"? you have no intention of connecting multiple frontends to it? |
| [23:47:12] | Unknown_Monkey: | correct |
| [23:47:46] | wagnerrp: | are you intending to run your video and control wires through a wall/floor to this machine in another room? |
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| [23:49:45] | Unknown_Monkey: | i thought about that but i am also thinking about putting it next to the tv |
| [23:50:21] | wagnerrp: | tuners and hard drives take up a lot of room, and they are going to make the unit you have sitting next to your TV significantly larger |
| [23:50:37] | wagnerrp: | which is the purpose of allowing separate frontends and backends |
| [23:50:54] | wagnerrp: | you stick all your tuners and hard drives in a basement or closet somewhere |
| [23:51:10] | wagnerrp: | and then you just have a small little netbooted machine that you can hide behind your tv or in a cabinet |
| [23:51:41] | wagnerrp: | or you stick it in another room, and get longer cables |
| [23:52:02] | wagnerrp: | ive got two frontends on two standard beige towers |
| [23:52:30] | wagnerrp: | but one is on a shelving unit in my basement directly beneath the TV, and the other is hidden behind a large entertainment center |
| [23:52:45] | Unknown_Monkey: | so i would have this big tower whic is the backend and then this little computer for example like a via mini-itx as the frontend |
| [23:53:05] | wagnerrp: | well no, you would still use an i3 or something as the frontend |
| [23:53:13] | wagnerrp: | but they make those in mini-itx form as well |
| [23:53:52] | wagnerrp: | or if you really want to force yourself into hardware decoding with a CPU that isnt powerful enough to do it on its own, get an ION system |
| [23:53:57] | wagnerrp: | avoid VIA |
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| [23:55:42] | Unknown_Monkey: | alright i will avoid VIA |
| [23:56:23] | wagnerrp: | if you are using hardware decoding rather than a sufficiently powerful CPU, you must have good drivers to run that hardware |
| [23:56:33] | wagnerrp: | and VIA drivers for linux just havent been well maintained over the years |
| [23:56:51] | wagnerrp: | for hardware video and graphics support, no one has come close to nvidia in some time |
| [23:57:28] | Unknown_Monkey: | would a nvidia 9500 be a good card |
| [23:57:55] | wagnerrp: | good, but a bit old |
| [23:58:09] | wagnerrp: | if you want HDMI audio, you need a GT2xx or newer |
| [23:59:09] | wagnerrp: | if youre getting an i3 with integrated graphics, the intel stuff and software decoding should work well enough, but hardware decoding is going to be iffy |
| [23:59:39] | wagnerrp: | but if youre looking at A4/A6/A8 systems, plan for something that would allow the addition of discrete graphics |
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