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| [00:19:15] | johnsu01: | hm, I have an "All tuners are busy" message when nothing is using the tuner |
| [00:19:21] | johnsu01: | and system info says the recorder is offline |
| [00:21:51] | johnsu01: | possibly because my tv card may have disappeared.. |
| [00:31:25] | johnsu01: | well, a reboot fixed it |
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| [01:13:55] | tgm4883: | If you only have a demo tuner, what channel is it suppose to start on? |
| [01:14:06] | tgm4883: | I'm assuming it needs to be connected in the same way as everything else |
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| [02:18:56] | squish102: | upgraded from mythbuntu 10.4 with 0.24 to mythbuntu 12.04 with 0.25. I not have recordings and video that seems to be playing back at 2x speed |
| [02:19:41] | squish102: | even a fresh FE install on a different machine and connecting to the same BE shows the same problem |
| [02:21:12] | squish102: | I cannot seem to find anything after googling |
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| [02:48:12] | jconerly: | I'm trying to run myth-setup for the first time and Fetching the lineups from schedules direct keeps freezing at 50% |
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| [02:48:30] | jconerly: | Anyone know if they are down or is this an issue on my end? |
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| [02:54:19] | psm321: | hi |
| [02:55:17] | jconerly: | hey |
| [02:55:58] | psm321: | i am trying to decide whether to upgrade my 0.21-fixes+hacks system to 0.25 for better support for my new hd homerun prime (vs adding more hacks) and wanted to figure out the compexity of the task so i have some questions |
| [02:56:17] | psm321: | so i know i have to go throgh 0.24-fixes first for db upgrade |
| [02:57:09] | psm321: | and i know that options i'm used to will be gone and the theme i like is gone, so using it is going to be a learning curve (lots of built-up muscle memory for doing things) |
| [02:57:55] | psm321: | i'm trying to figure out what major system packages will need updates (my install is also very old, might be tough to update things) |
| [02:58:05] | [R]: | psm321: just back up and play |
| [02:58:07] | [R]: | and if you dont like |
| [02:58:09] | [R]: | then restore |
| [02:58:20] | psm321: | and which (if any) of my hacks are now system features |
| [02:58:31] | psm321: | and anything else i mightve missed |
| [02:58:49] | [R]: | i dont think anyone sane has used 21 in forever |
| [02:58:53] | [R]: | so you'll just have to try it and see |
| [02:59:21] | psm321: | well i can at least ask about the hacks to see if i'll maybe not have to port some things :) |
| [02:59:26] | psm321: | and yes i'm insane :) |
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| [03:01:33] | psm321: | i think the biggest one would be to know if rescheduling still blocks new recordings from starting until done (i have really long resched times, remember, insane) |
| [03:02:14] | psm321: | and along similar lines, whether watch recordings still fetches the entire list of recordings from the backend up-front |
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| [03:02:46] | [R]: | watch recordings has a progress bar style thing now |
| [03:02:55] | [R]: | and myth breaks horribly if scheduling takes more than a minute |
| [03:02:59] | [R]: | tahts just the way it works |
| [03:03:03] | [R]: | get a less crapy backend |
| [03:03:26] | psm321: | won't help very much, unless scheduling is multi-threaded now |
| [03:03:48] | [R]: | no |
| [03:04:12] | [R]: | well i gotta go |
| [03:04:55] | psm321: | (the root of my insanity is that i have lots of recordings and lots of schedules) |
| [03:05:22] | psm321: | k, i think i'll save up typing the rest of my q's until there's more people around |
| [03:05:23] | sphery: | fwiw, mythtv scheduler routinely takes > 1min on many systems with no problems |
| [03:05:26] | psm321: | thanks for the help |
| [03:05:38] | sphery: | the problem people attributed to long scheduler times had nothing to do with the scheduler |
| [03:05:42] | sphery: | it was just a broken configuration |
| [03:06:02] | sphery: | and when the user reconfigured everything, it worked fine--even with long scheduler runs |
| [03:06:28] | psm321: | sphery: are you sure? my hack is not letting the reschedule run unless there's more than 5 (or 10 i forget) minutes left to the next recording and that fixed everything |
| [03:06:56] | psm321: | and before my hack, recordings would start immediately as rescheduling finished (over the hour/half hour bondary) |
| [03:07:24] | psm321: | i think up to 2 minutes was ok without the hack iirc |
| [03:07:39] | psm321: | because it would start resched 2 minutes before a scheduled program start |
| [03:07:41] | wagnerrp: | the issue is that the scheduler is causing high load elsewhere, and preventing stuff from getting the database information needed to start recording |
| [03:07:55] | sphery: | yes, starting scheduling 2min before program start is normal |
| [03:08:12] | sphery: | and, yeah, that may be a concern |
| [03:08:31] | sphery: | where something like barriers prevents i/o and prevents stuff that's waiting on info from db or whatever |
| [03:08:33] | psm321: | sphery: and if that scheduling takes 4 minutes that won't block the recording from starting? (other than the load issue) |
| [03:08:38] | wagnerrp: | long scheduler times and delayed recordings starts are correlative, but not causative |
| [03:08:46] | wagnerrp: | the same problem that causes one, causes the other |
| [03:08:50] | sphery: | what wagnerrp says makes sense |
| [03:09:21] | sphery: | long scheduler times may indicative of a system that's being asked to do too much--more than the hardware can handle |
| [03:09:23] | psm321: | ok if you guys say so :) it's been a long long time since i looked at that code (and back then people just told me to stop being so insane... that wasn't an option) |
| [03:09:46] | sphery: | what's insane about your system that's causing 4min reschedules |
| [03:09:49] | psm321: | my reschedule is cpu-bound, not disk (from watching top and the hd light) |
| [03:10:07] | wagnerrp: | what CPU? |
| [03:10:07] | sphery: | note, also, that there are 3 different types of reschedules and only the easiest ones are done before recordings start |
| [03:10:11] | psm321: | i have lots of schedules and lots of recorded programs (not sure if the second one affects it) |
| [03:10:50] | psm321: | i dont know if the terminology is the same these days, but i think that was a "program id 0" resched? and it took more than 2 minutes (cpu-bound) |
| [03:11:44] | psm321: | phenom 9850 quad (yeah i know it's old now...) |
| [03:11:56] | sphery: | but that's more than enough |
| [03:12:06] | sphery: | what's "lots of schedules" and "lots of recorded programs" |
| [03:12:34] | psm321: | umm afraid to say :-P because then the answer will be to just stop being insane :) |
| [03:13:10] | sphery: | if you don't say then I'll just say your system has serious problems because a phenom 9850 quad should be more than enough |
| [03:13:23] | wagnerrp: | there should be some lines in your logs, scheduled X programs in Y seconds (match + place) |
| [03:13:24] | psm321: | ok 109k recorded |
| [03:13:34] | wagnerrp: | could you post one? |
| [03:13:45] | wagnerrp: | 109000 current recordings? |
| [03:13:48] | sphery: | recorded /and/ existing |
| [03:13:50] | wagnerrp: | WTF? |
| [03:13:55] | wagnerrp: | oh... oldrecorded |
| [03:13:57] | sphery: | versus old recorded history? |
| [03:13:59] | psm321: | which kind of reschedule are you looking for? |
| [03:14:00] | squish102: | how can i rescan a recording and update the table that needs to be updated? (I hope that will fix playback issue) |
| [03:14:09] | psm321: | select count(*) from recorded |
| [03:14:13] | psm321: | not history |
| [03:14:20] | wagnerrp: | mythcommflag --rebuild |
| [03:14:21] | sphery: | well, there's your problem |
| [03:14:27] | sphery: | mythtv isn't sagetv enterprise |
| [03:14:30] | sphery: | :) |
| [03:14:35] | psm321: | [23:12:34] <psm321> umm afraid to say :-P because then the answer will be to just stop being insane :) |
| [03:14:36] | wagnerrp: | use chanid/starttime to select which one |
| [03:14:40] | wagnerrp: | otherwise it does _all_ of them |
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| [03:15:10] | wagnerrp: | when mythtv advertises itself as recording all of your shows |
| [03:15:16] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt mean all of everyone's shows |
| [03:15:17] | wagnerrp: | ' |
| [03:15:34] | psm321: | wagnerrp: ok here's one for a id 0 reschedule: |
| [03:15:36] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, you would be well advised to write a new recording rule type |
| [03:15:42] | sphery: | well, I can imagine that someone would watch 109,000 TV shows in a couple years |
| [03:15:44] | wagnerrp: | "record all on channel X" |
| [03:15:52] | wagnerrp: | where it just bypasses all additional checking |
| [03:16:04] | psm321: | Scheduled 16413 items in 231.0 = 0.00 match + 231.31 place |
| [03:16:10] | sphery: | I mean, at an average of 30min per episode, that's only 3.27M min |
| [03:16:13] | wagnerrp: | either that, or modifying the schema to pre-filter duplicate shows |
| [03:16:31] | sphery: | 2270 days worth of viewing |
| [03:16:32] | wagnerrp: | so filtering is done once per guide data update |
| [03:16:41] | wagnerrp: | rather than at ever scheduler run |
| [03:16:45] | sphery: | so, just have to watch 6 years of video |
| [03:16:46] | psm321: | that 2nd one i think i considered at some point, but the easy hack worked |
| [03:16:50] | sphery: | who needs sleep, anyway |
| [03:17:17] | psm321: | anyway, that q is answered :) |
| [03:17:40] | wagnerrp: | also likely a good idea to switch to innodb, and crank up the memory usage in my.cnf |
| [03:17:48] | wagnerrp: | as well as move your database to an SSD |
| [03:18:03] | wagnerrp: | well... properly configured database would largely eliminate the need for an SSD |
| [03:18:07] | psm321: | and i'm guessing the related one of the watch recordings screen |
| [03:18:20] | wagnerrp: | since lookups like scheduling would all be done in memory |
| [03:18:37] | sphery: | 109k recordings... even at 1GB/recording, that's 109TB, right? |
| [03:18:52] | sphery: | I just don't see how this could be a /personal/ video recorder |
| [03:19:01] | psm321: | well i have plenty of ram... i could try messing with those settings but last time i looked (years ago) it seemed like i/o wasn't the problem |
| [03:19:16] | psm321: | sphery: more like 120 mb/recording |
| [03:19:25] | sphery: | are you transcoding them? |
| [03:19:29] | psm321: | ya |
| [03:19:42] | psm321: | i need to make that better too, i'm sure there's better codecs now |
| [03:19:48] | wagnerrp: | and hopefully cutting them to CIF resolution or so |
| [03:19:50] | sphery: | just hope you're not one of the evil people stealing tv for everyone else |
| [03:20:10] | wagnerrp: | because 120MB for a half hour of SD resolution is painful |
| [03:20:12] | sphery: | anyway, it sounds like you're doing commercial type recording with a personal type system |
| [03:20:14] | psm321: | do you think everyone else wants to watch 120mb half hours? |
| [03:20:20] | psm321: | heh wagnerrp beat me to it |
| [03:20:24] | psm321: | not commercial |
| [03:20:25] | psm321: | at all |
| [03:20:48] | sphery: | hehe, true |
| [03:20:55] | psm321: | i'm just crazy is all |
| [03:21:19] | sphery: | anyway, if you do have some good patches to improve scalability, they'll be considered for inclusion |
| [03:21:38] | sphery: | as long as they don't make things worse for, er, normal users :) |
| [03:21:54] | psm321: | sphery: yeah i have to force myself to do better fixes to submit them |
| [03:22:33] | psm321: | my fix for watching recordings is to only load the last N thousand, want to redo that to only load a title/category when you select it |
| [03:22:53] | sphery: | so, you really have all these recordings in Watch Recordings |
| [03:22:58] | sphery: | the UI in there would be useless... |
| [03:23:34] | psm321: | reschedule, unless you guys are right and i'm completely misunderstanding the problem, the correct fix for me to do would be to make the reschedule thread separate from the scheduler (which if i understand correctly also kicks off recordings) |
| [03:23:35] | sphery: | You'd be much better off going to 0.25-fixes, then moving them (especially since it seems you archive everything) to Video Library, where you can organize them into multi-level hierarchies as you desire |
| [03:24:38] | sphery: | actually, it seems the best would be to pre-match duplicates and store the info in the DB |
| [03:24:38] | psm321: | but then that would break the schedules no? (or does oldrecorded take care of that?) |
| [03:24:48] | sphery: | oldrecorded is the history |
| [03:24:51] | sphery: | so it would know the dups |
| [03:24:59] | sphery: | would just clean out current recordings |
| [03:25:11] | sphery: | you'll still likely have a long reschedule because of oldrecorded |
| [03:25:16] | psm321: | k |
| [03:25:20] | sphery: | but it may be significantly faster than now |
| [03:25:31] | sphery: | do you have programids for your shows? |
| [03:25:38] | sphery: | (where are you in the world?) |
| [03:25:50] | psm321: | i'll think about that stuff... i was mostly trying to get myself an effort estimate for the upgrade |
| [03:25:54] | psm321: | schedulesdirect |
| [03:26:07] | sphery: | yeah, so that's good |
| [03:26:28] | sphery: | but it also means that you can't improve things by pre-calculating programids... |
| [03:26:45] | psm321: | ok so since i have someone answering questions: is the estimator for recording sizes configurable now? |
| [03:26:57] | sphery: | estimator for recording sizes? |
| [03:27:06] | sphery: | you mean for auto-expire and how much it needs to make available? |
| [03:27:16] | sphery: | that's all based on max bitrate from the encoder |
| [03:27:46] | psm321: | ok so same as before, but that should be an easy hack to port |
| [03:28:26] | psm321: | and last, is it possible to set different recording profiles (resolution, etc) for different ivtv cards? |
| [03:28:49] | sphery: | yeah, just a hardcoded value in the code |
| [03:29:10] | psm321: | that might also not even be needed anymore though, i might just deprecate that hack along with a few others :-D |
| [03:29:10] | sphery: | no, profile selection is based on recording rule |
| [03:29:28] | psm321: | ok |
| [03:30:20] | sphery: | anyway, impressive system |
| [03:31:14] | psm321: | well right now not all the recordings are "live" accessible... still working on that (have some burned on dvds from the old old days, and then others on raid that i'm working on upgrading) |
| [03:32:05] | psm321: | so any major gotchas in the upgrade itself other than having to go through the intermediate step? |
| [03:32:29] | wagnerrp: | the four years of updates it constitutes |
| [03:32:36] | wagnerrp: | and the big one, utf8 |
| [03:33:11] | psm321: | yeah that one's scaring me because i already had some sort of character encoding issue in my database once (tho everyone here insisted it shouldn't have happened) |
| [03:33:17] | sphery: | (which is a lot of the reason that we no longer support upgrades from 0.21) |
| [03:34:52] | psm321: | is there anywhere where minimum versions of things like mysql are listed? (i saw individual changes in prereqs listed in release notes for different versions, but haven't found a comprehensive list) |
| [03:34:56] | sphery: | if you do have an issue, let me know and I can help |
| [03:35:10] | psm321: | ok |
| [03:35:11] | sphery: | Qt 4.6 and MySQL 5.0.15 are mins for 0.25 |
| [03:35:45] | psm321: | oh good i'm good on the mysql (pretty sure i'll have to upgrade qt) |
| [03:35:54] | psm321: | kde3 and qt4 can coexist right? |
| [03:36:03] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:36:10] | sphery: | qt3 and qt4 can coexist, so... |
| [03:36:30] | psm321: | k thx |
| [03:36:49] | psm321: | yeah i have qt 4.4.2 so thats probably going to be an adventure in itself :-D |
| [03:37:34] | psm321: | well, thanks for the help! |
| [03:38:59] | psm321: | for the record my resolution is 320x240 since someone asked |
| [03:39:05] | psm321: | just checked |
| [03:39:56] | sphery: | good luck |
| [03:40:22] | psm321: | thanks (probably going to be a while before i have time to actually go through with this...) |
| [03:40:33] | wagnerrp: | thats... nothing, since SDTV runs non-square pixels |
| [03:40:42] | wagnerrp: | QVGA i guess |
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| [03:54:55] | squish102: | is mythtv preferred audio ALSA? |
| [03:55:08] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:55:28] | wagnerrp: | theres no real other alternative |
| [03:55:35] | squish102: | thanks, that is not my problem then :( (I have 2x playback speed after upgrade) |
| [03:55:44] | wagnerrp: | its ALSA, or OSS, and OSS doesnt have nearly the amount of drivers |
| [03:56:17] | squish102: | i tried mythcommflag --rebuild and that did not fix playback problem either |
| [03:58:22] | psm321: | just on the audio? |
| [03:58:47] | squish102: | no audio, and recordings and videos all playback at 2x |
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| [03:59:02] | psm321: | is it chipmunky? |
| [03:59:06] | psm321: | or correct pitch? |
| [03:59:09] | squish102: | even a fresh install FE connecting to BE plays 2x |
| [03:59:41] | squish102: | no sound at all. I have to fix sound first (I think) then figure out video issues |
| [03:59:44] | psm321: | oh |
| [03:59:46] | psm321: | sorry |
| [03:59:55] | psm321: | i have no ideas |
| [04:00:57] | psm321: | tho i suspect people will ask you to post your log on a pastebin so you might as well do that :) |
| [04:02:52] | squish102: | i am going to try a couple of other things for the next 12 hours and if I am still stumped, i'll come back |
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| [04:10:24] | psm321: | squish102: how about you post the log? i'm no expert especially for modern versions, but multiple eyes looking at it might help anyway |
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| [04:12:15] | squish102: | psm321, i'd hate to embarrass myself :) (like i just found out i'm not running the ATI drivers ) --- thanks for the offer though |
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| [04:25:49] | squish102: | psm321, audio fixed and playback fixed after installing ATI drivers |
| [04:26:19] | squish102: | i did not think to check that on an upgrade it removed the ATI drivers |
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| [04:57:35] | MNIchie: | Can anyone help me debug a mythfilldatabase issue? I can't seem to get it to give any meaningful output. |
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| [05:34:25] | sphery: | what issue |
| [05:34:31] | sphery: | MNIchie: ^^^ |
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| [05:36:26] | MNIchie: | mythfilldatabase runs, then never ends |
| [05:36:46] | sphery: | likely you have your database on a file system with barriers enabled |
| [05:36:49] | dekarl: | comcast.net sounds like US which could mean Schedules Direct which had an issue with some database defaults until just some days ago |
| [05:36:55] | sphery: | so mfdb runs take 45+ minutes to run |
| [05:37:18] | sphery: | MNIchie: if you're on ubuntu, you can try upgrading to the lastest 0.25-fixes and it may help |
| [05:37:37] | MNIchie: | I am running .25 |
| [05:37:38] | sphery: | otherwise, you'll likely have to look into changing things to get better performance from the database |
| [05:37:46] | MNIchie: | hmm |
| [05:37:46] | sphery: | you need the most current 0.25-fixes |
| [05:37:51] | sphery: | like within a couple days |
| [05:38:02] | sphery: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [05:38:11] | sphery: | enable the repos, then update |
| [05:40:15] | sphery: | anyway, gotta get some sleep... good luck |
| [05:40:24] | MNIchie: | thanks |
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| [05:47:37] | MNIchie: | Looks like the repos are only compatible with mythbuntu :/ |
| [05:48:17] | dekarl: | MNIchie: what OS are you on? |
| [05:48:36] | MNIchie: | Ubuntu, but using a compile version of .25 |
| [05:49:14] | dekarl: | IIRC the repos should work with any Ubuntu flavour (or whatever its called) |
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| [05:49:52] | MNIchie: | Even when mythtv wasn't installed through the repos to begin with? |
| [05:49:52] | dekarl: | do you use the packaging repo to compile? if so it might be easier to simply run the script again :D |
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| [05:50:13] | MNIchie: | I downloaded the tgz from the website |
| [05:50:44] | MNIchie: | Was told that was the only way to get support for the HDhomerun prime |
| [05:50:51] | dekarl: | I would make a backup of the database to be sure. but yes, it should just work. clean up the custom files first though |
| [05:51:11] | wagnerrp: | MNIchie: to be honest, no one should be using the tarball from the website |
| [05:51:17] | dekarl: | hmm, they didnt mean it like that... (although it might be what they said) |
| [05:51:18] | wagnerrp: | if youre building from source, use the github repo |
| [05:51:44] | wagnerrp: | the tarballs and point releases only exist because some distros require release versions for their package systems |
| [05:51:45] | zenu: | Is there anything special that needs to be done for the HDhomerun dual? |
| [05:52:22] | dekarl: | and if you are on anything debian derived you should be able to simply use the packaging scripts and make your own packages... |
| [05:52:35] | wagnerrp: | or simply use the mythbuntu packages |
| [05:52:40] | wagnerrp: | they're updated very regularly |
| [05:52:55] | wagnerrp: | unless youre running your own patchset, and need to run source |
| [05:53:38] | dekarl: | then you should use the packaging scripts as they make it super easy to have your own patched PPA to let others run your variant, too. (e.g. to test patches) |
| [05:54:40] | dekarl: | HDHR is the best supported recording device from what I hear. nothing special about it from the users perspective |
| [05:55:22] | wagnerrp: | best supported, in that it is the only one supported directly |
| [05:55:35] | wagnerrp: | well... that and the DCR-2650, and now the infinitv |
| [05:55:46] | MNIchie: | The prime uses cableCard, which I heard was only supported in .25(officially atleast) |
| [05:55:59] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [05:56:11] | wagnerrp: | you _could_ use the prime in 0.24 |
| [05:56:27] | wagnerrp: | but it requires a bit of finagling |
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| [05:56:51] | dekarl: | wrt the original HDHR... (quote from wiki) The device is supported by MythTV (since v0.20) |
| [05:57:12] | zenu: | ok I wanted to know because I can pick channels but not play them back on the frontend when I get everything else working. |
| [05:57:36] | wagnerrp: | explain that a bit more |
| [05:57:39] | zenu: | *pick up on the backend channel scan |
| [05:58:04] | wagnerrp: | is the backend running when you try to watch them? |
| [05:58:17] | wagnerrp: | could there be file permissions issues on the recording directories? |
| [05:58:18] | zenu: | It says that all inputs are being used and has a question vaguely implying there might be recordings happening |
| [05:58:39] | wagnerrp: | im betting file permissions |
| [05:58:50] | zenu: | The gives a message about failing to get the protocol |
| [05:58:56] | zenu: | Terminal* |
| [05:59:14] | wagnerrp: | need to see backend logs |
| [05:59:33] | zenu: | file permissions are set to Mythtv as the user |
| [06:00:30] | zenu: | I have schema issues right now after mySQL updates so the logs will be difficult to replicate |
| [06:01:45] | zenu: | Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1299) than expected (1264).Database Host: 127.0.0.1 Database Name: MythTV |
| [06:02:10] | wagnerrp: | thats your backend? |
| [06:02:18] | zenu: | yes |
| [06:02:18] | wagnerrp: | those are the logs of 0.24 |
| [06:02:45] | zenu: | restoring the database to the original backed upped database fixed it before updates broke it again |
| [06:03:21] | wagnerrp: | the logs say youre trying to run mythtv 0.24 against a 0.25 database |
| [06:04:42] | zenu: | How is that possible? |
| [06:05:48] | zenu: | Is there a way to un-install and re-install everything properly? |
| [06:06:06] | wagnerrp: | that would be up to your distro |
| [06:06:10] | wagnerrp: | we just do the source |
| [06:06:22] | zenu: | ubuntu 12.04 |
| [06:08:37] | zenu: | Any links for installing from source without any errors? |
| [06:09:03] | zenu: | I used .deb for the current install |
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| [06:12:28] | dekarl: | Ubuntu 12.04 comes with 0.25 or higher, sounds like some stray files (executeable or maybe logs) |
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| [09:03:42] | JoshTriplett: | I'm trying to forward-port my power-button DPMS-toggling script to work via a MythTV system keyboard event, so that it works via my newly input-mapped remote rather than via LIRC and irexec. However, mythfrontend makes that rather difficult: it wakes up the monitor itself before running the script, so the script can't tell if it should blank the screen or not. Suggestions? |
| [09:04:45] | JoshTriplett: | I'd like to avoid making the script remember the state of the screen independently, because then I can't rely on mythfrontend's behavior of waking up on any input (rather than just the power button). |
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| [09:42:24] | dekarl: | JoshTriplett: google hints at something like triggerhappy https://github.com/wertarbyte/triggerhappy |
| [09:43:41] | dekarl: | I wonder if that can "eat" the button event so the frontend doesnt wake up |
| [09:48:16] | JoshTriplett: | dekarl: Interesting point; if I use something like xbindkeys, the frontend will never see the keypress. |
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| [12:09:01] | antgel: | hi all. i'm trying to use my mythbox after about 4 years in a cupboard and a change of country. have managed to upgrade my os to debian wheezy and my myth from 0.21-fixes to 0.25. however, i don't have any capture cards at the moment, i just want to use the box to watch previously recorded content. mythbackend refuses to start as i have no capture cards defined. any clues? |
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| [12:18:27] | antgel: | okay, i have a demo tuner etc and it's working! |
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| [15:03:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: still not using an XML parser in the perl bindings, huh? |
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| [15:49:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I'm planning to eventually add in proper xml parsing, but will likely leave the hack for those who don't have the xml parsing module |
| [15:50:15] | dj_who: | hi, will mythtv support hbbtv? |
| [15:50:16] | sphery: | also, I'll refrain from sending a link to the example config.xml so it doesn't distract from your argument |
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| [16:11:23] | frankster: | anyone got any thoughts of what to check if EIT isn't working? |
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| [16:12:04] | frankster: | for example is it normal to have a null networkid in dtv multiplex? |
| [16:12:14] | frankster: | just wondering if that could be related |
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| [16:18:14] | wagnerrp: | hbbtv? |
| [16:19:01] | wagnerrp: | looks like MHEG, but with interactive data being sent out-of-band over the internet |
| [16:19:46] | dj_who: | yes |
| [16:19:51] | wagnerrp: | dj_who: if its unencrypted, and not access restricted, it will be supported as soon as you or some other user who wants that ability writes support for it |
| [16:20:57] | dj_who: | ok, i understand |
| [16:21:26] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe anyone is currently working on it |
| [16:22:10] | wagnerrp: | looks like its only been in use for about six months |
| [16:22:10] | sphery: | frankster: likely related... did you actually use mythtv-setup to scan or did you import a channels.conf? if the latter, that's probably the problem |
| [16:22:32] | sphery: | if you did use mythtv-setup to scan, you may be using an outdated version that is missing some updates |
| [16:22:52] | sphery: | (I think something was fixed related to that before 0.25) |
| [16:25:36] | frankster: | sphery: am using 0.25 and scanned all channels using the internal scanner |
| [16:26:12] | frankster: | sphery: am running "mythbackend -v eit" but its not showing anything odd |
| [16:26:20] | dj_who: | thanks wagnerrp |
| [16:26:21] | frankster: | sphery: ...to my eyes any way |
| [16:27:31] | frankster: | sphery:dunno if you notice anything odd with this: http://pastebin.com/M8Jm43CD |
| [16:31:39] | uh992k: | hey all :) |
| [16:32:00] | uh992k: | may I ask what's the purpose of "start offset" and "end offset" in the scheduling dialoge is? :) |
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| [16:32:44] | uh992k: | hehe :) one of my harmless questions before we have a further 3h discussion about the scheduler :D |
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| [16:37:10] | sphery: | uh992k: to tell mythtv how much early (or late) to start or stop recording--offsets from the times provided by the listings |
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| [16:40:43] | earthw0rm: | Any ideas on why video in mythtv is "letterboxed"? |
| [16:40:45] | uh992k: | hah! I thought you would write this |
| [16:41:02] | uh992k: | actually, that's the description in the settings dialoge |
| [16:41:07] | sphery: | earthw0rm: because it's 16:9 and your display is 4:3 |
| [16:41:23] | earthw0rm: | Video from my PS3 takes up the whole screen ... |
| [16:41:41] | uh992k: | but I wonder if the settings are simply useless because if the show shifted by e.g. 1min it is not being recorded so these settings are simply useless |
| [16:41:55] | sphery: | frankster: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10217 |
| [16:42:35] | sphery: | uh992k: they are completely unrelated to timeslot rules (which, we've already established are not the type of rule you want) |
| [16:42:51] | uh992k: | the scheduler is assuming the EPG doesn't change whilst the show is broadcast e.g. 4min early ... but what if the EPG changes? than it isn't recorded |
| [16:43:02] | sphery: | uh992k: they are specifically to allow you to compensate for bad data or bad broadcasters who don't stick to the schedule |
| [16:43:36] | sphery: | for shows whose time changes, "any time" rules are what you want |
| [16:44:00] | uh992k: | yes, I know :) we already discussed that and I'm happy with the patch which was accepted :) |
| [16:44:07] | sphery: | or, you can do manual recording rules "Always record between 5:55 and 6:35 on Tuesday" or whatever |
| [16:44:46] | uh992k: | buuuut ... I experienced problems when going in the program guide and pressing "recording this" ... then the problem with shifting shows is there again |
| [16:45:19] | uh992k: | so, I would have to use *always* the custom edit regardless what I want to record or how often |
| [16:46:11] | sphery: | thus the "find one" rule type |
| [16:46:34] | sphery: | the point is the scheduler and not you should be deciding /when/ to record a show |
| [16:46:39] | uh992k: | I'm writeing about the "R"-key in the program guide which is for single record |
| [16:46:44] | sphery: | you're /still/ trying to make it so that /you/ are the scheduler |
| [16:46:54] | sphery: | in which case, you have to do everything manually with custom or manual rules |
| [16:47:12] | uh992k: | don't you use the "R"-key in the program guide? |
| [16:47:26] | sphery: | actually, no |
| [16:47:35] | uh992k: | k, then you don't know the problem |
| [16:47:40] | sphery: | but you do realize that you can press it multiple times to toggle the rule type |
| [16:47:45] | sphery: | so just toggle it to find one |
| [16:47:46] | uh992k: | but the majority will probably use R |
| [16:48:06] | sphery: | no, the problem here is /still/ your constantly-shifting data |
| [16:48:12] | uh992k: | hmm ... for shows with one appearence it is probably okay to do the find one rule |
| [16:48:14] | sphery: | we can't plan anything with constantly changing data |
| [16:48:45] | uh992k: | yesterday, I had the case that one show hasn't been recorded |
| [16:49:00] | uh992k: | I scheduled it with single record (simply R in the program guide) |
| [16:49:16] | uh992k: | but it was strange ... I don't think it shifted in time |
| [16:49:16] | sphery: | and then that showing disappeared |
| [16:49:23] | uh992k: | the recording rule told me "not in listing" |
| [16:49:26] | sphery: | so the guide showed you "Not Listed" |
| [16:49:34] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:49:46] | sphery: | meaning, "You told me to do something I can't do, so you need to fix the rule" |
| [16:49:56] | uh992k: | I told "okay" to myself and recorded the *same* show 4hrs later ... but this wasn't recorded as well |
| [16:50:22] | sphery: | so, it sounds like the major problem here is your EIT data... is XMLTV an option for you? |
| [16:50:36] | uh992k: | xmltv? |
| [16:50:36] | sphery: | (or Schedules Direct) |
| [16:50:41] | sphery: | don't remember where you're at in the world |
| [16:50:54] | uh992k: | what do you mean? |
| [16:51:16] | sphery: | so, you're in Germany? |
| [16:51:28] | uh992k: | yes |
| [16:51:40] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV shows some sources of listings data |
| [16:51:58] | uh992k: | probably that's the better solution ... to get clean data |
| [16:52:00] | sphery: | in Germany, epgData offers data and has a grabber for xmltv |
| [16:52:04] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV#Germany.2FAustria |
| [16:52:16] | uh992k: | uhm ... epg is not eit? |
| [16:52:26] | sphery: | someone else in Germany can likely help with best options |
| [16:53:01] | sphery: | epgdata is a service to which you subscribe, then you can get an XMLTV ( http://xmltv.org/ ) file that contains listings data |
| [16:53:20] | sphery: | generally, you run the xmltv grabber once/day, so your listings remain constant for most of that time |
| [16:53:26] | sphery: | er, most of the time |
| [16:53:41] | sphery: | only major changes are reflected in teh listings |
| [16:53:41] | uh992k: | hmm ... yes, that could solve some of my problems |
| [16:54:04] | uh992k: | oh ... it cost money? :) |
| [16:54:08] | sphery: | if your broadcaster really does shift things by minutes per showing, you can use start/end offsets to allow recording extra on either/both ends |
| [16:54:13] | sphery: | for that particular one |
| [16:54:43] | sphery: | in North America, the only option for us is Schedules Direct, which involves a $25/yr membership fee--and it's the best $25/yr I spend |
| [16:55:09] | sphery: | like I said, talk to others in Germany and see what they're doing |
| [16:55:16] | sphery: | they'll have the best info |
| [16:55:25] | sphery: | that said, I've heard /extremely/ good things about epgdata |
| [16:55:27] | uh992k: | hmm ... I'll give it a try ... interesting idea |
| [16:55:38] | sphery: | both data quality and service quality |
| [16:55:51] | uh992k: | if this doesn't work I'll develope a linvdr-scheduler-like plugin for mythtv ;) |
| [16:55:52] | uh992k: | :D |
| [16:56:08] | sphery: | what's that mean? |
| [16:56:16] | sphery: | you /can/ do manual (VCR-style) recording |
| [16:56:32] | uh992k: | yes, but not as easy as I would like to have it :) |
| [16:56:56] | uh992k: | behind the gui it would do the same as manually vcr like recording, of course |
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| [16:57:21] | uh992k: | but it wouldn't have all this 50 settings and different recording types |
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| [16:57:42] | sphery: | you can do that with current unstable/development mythtv |
| [16:58:02] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 18030#518030 |
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| [16:58:55] | sphery: | so with that, you just need to update your theme of choice to hide the useless garbage and show only the important parts of the manual scheduling |
| [16:59:08] | uh992k: | wow ... interesting |
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| [16:59:38] | wagnerrp: | please mister person with commit access, i dont want to run a simple script to update my ebuilds, i want you to do it for me... |
| [17:00:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, it seems that most gentoo users have no idea that script exists/how to run it |
| [17:00:09] | wagnerrp: | apparently |
| [17:00:16] | sphery: | you should make festival a mandatory requirement for install, then have it read README to them |
| [17:00:34] | wagnerrp: | festival? |
| [17:00:41] | sphery: | (who says, "I can't read it for you"?) |
| [17:00:46] | sphery: | text-to-speech |
| [17:01:01] | sphery: | http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/ |
| [17:01:11] | wagnerrp: | i could add a notice to the ebuild as it installs |
| [17:01:23] | sphery: | add a USE flag |
| [17:01:26] | sphery: | gentoo users love those |
| [17:01:38] | sphery: | USE=update |
| [17:01:44] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:01:46] | uh992k: | google text2speech api also supports japanese :) |
| [17:02:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the worst part about that ticket, too, is that it ref'ed the pull request you ref'ed in the commit where you explained exactly why you updated mythweb and not the other |
| [17:02:36] | sphery: | i.e. search fail |
| [17:02:48] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
| [17:03:38] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i cant do that pull anyway |
| [17:03:41] | wagnerrp: | thats a nasty pull |
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| [17:37:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: "simple" is not the word I'd use for that one liner... mysql, tr, sed, and a bash here block with read, do, if/then/else, if/then, printf |
| [17:37:55] | sphery: | actually, "one liner" is not the word I'd use for it, either :) |
| [17:38:21] | sphery: | one line, only when you consider a "line" to be defined by newline characters |
| [17:52:58] | Oleg_: | which upcoming tv series will you be watching? I guess I'll be watching "666 Park Avenue", "Revolution", and "The Following". |
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| [18:08:13] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard of any of those |
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| [18:35:22] | MNIchie: | Does anyone know the reason why a HD Homerun prime couldn't access channels above 20? |
| [19:01:13] | MNIchie: | Guess it is actually any encrypted channels, I thought that was what the cable card was for... |
| [19:01:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can only access channels that are not copy protected |
| [19:01:45] | wagnerrp: | who is your cable provider? |
| [19:01:49] | MNIchie: | Comcast |
| [19:02:13] | wagnerrp: | should be able to receive all but the premiums |
| [19:02:41] | MNIchie: | Yeah, I can only get OTA right now for some reason |
| [19:02:56] | wagnerrp: | perhaps your card is not paired properly? |
| [19:03:46] | MNIchie: | That's what I was thinking, I've called comcast a few times, no luck fixing it though |
| [19:04:46] | wagnerrp: | try the video player that comes with the SD drivers |
| [19:04:51] | wagnerrp: | see if it can access those channels |
| [19:05:00] | MNIchie: | It can't either |
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| [20:17:33] | DarthFrog: | Mythfrontend (0.25) will not play AVI videos. The system will though, mplayer plays them fine and mplayer is set to be the default player in the settings. Mythfrontend will play MKV files fine. |
| [20:17:52] | DarthFrog: | I'm pulling my hair out over this. |
| [20:17:57] | DarthFrog: | Any ideas? |
| [20:18:09] | wagnerrp: | what does it do rather than play them? |
| [20:18:33] | DarthFrog: | Nothing. I click on the Play button, nothing happens. |
| [20:18:44] | DarthFrog: | No "Loading" screen, nothing. |
| [20:18:46] | wagnerrp: | the logs should give some reason |
| [20:18:54] | wagnerrp: | perhaps "file does not exist"? |
| [20:19:01] | DarthFrog: | I've scoured the logs to no avail. |
| [20:19:03] | wagnerrp: | or something similar |
| [20:19:14] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin an excerpt? |
| [20:19:21] | DarthFrog: | Of which log? |
| [20:19:36] | wagnerrp: | frontend, where it fails to do anything with avi files |
| [20:19:42] | DarthFrog: | OK. |
| [20:24:46] | DarthFrog: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1020252/ |
| [20:25:33] | DarthFrog: | That's the section of mythfrontend.log output when I press the play button on an AVI file. |
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| [20:40:52] | DarthFrog: | Any thoughts? |
| [20:43:27] | wagnerrp: | just got back, called to do some heavy lifting in the yard |
| [20:43:50] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt say its trying to do anything |
| [20:43:55] | wagnerrp: | need more context, more lines |
| [20:44:14] | sphery: | DarthFrog: why do you have mplayer set as the default player? |
| [20:44:17] | sphery: | try with Internal player |
| [20:44:43] | sphery: | external players mean you lose a lot of useful capabilities |
| [20:44:53] | sphery: | (including the supported approach for file handling--via storage groups) |
| [20:45:50] | DarthFrog: | sphery: mplayer was set as the default upon installation. I'll try Internal. |
| [20:46:34] | wagnerrp: | well it was years ago, that is no longer the case |
| [20:47:11] | DarthFrog: | Anyway, setting the player to Internal seems to have worked. :-) Thanks sphery! |
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| [20:53:10] | bill6502: | On the subject of bindings; Is it possible to use a variable rather than hard code the host name in: allSettings = db.settings.mc0.getall()? |
| [20:55:54] | wagnerrp: | like... db.settings['mc0'].getall() |
| [20:56:06] | wagnerrp: | or getattr(db.settings, 'mc0').getall() |
| [20:57:33] | wagnerrp: | bill6502: ^^^^ |
| [20:57:50] | bill6502: | Thinking,... |
| [20:58:01] | wagnerrp: | telling |
| [20:58:18] | wagnerrp: | both of those are valid |
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| [20:58:39] | ** wagnerrp heads to dinner ** | |
| [20:58:49] | bill6502: | i can get `hostname` ok just didn't know how to pass it to getall(). Thanks. |
| [20:59:00] | wagnerrp: | db.gethostname() |
| [20:59:15] | wagnerrp: | better, since it uses the LocalHostName if defined |
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| [21:08:03] | sphery: | guessing DarthFrog was trying to play a file using mplayer, but with storage groups set up |
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| [21:37:44] | uh992k: | does anyone know the technotrend tt-connect ct-3650 dvb-c usb receiver? |
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| [21:53:35] | sphery: | I know the technotrend tt-connect ct-3650 dvb-c usb receiver, and you, sir, are no technotrend tt-connect ct-3650 dvb-c usb receiver! |
| [21:53:41] | sphery: | er, actually, I don't know that receiver |
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| [21:54:40] | uh992k: | hmm ... google tells me it would work out of the box with linux 3.1 |
| [21:54:50] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [21:54:50] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [21:55:17] | uh992k: | wow great, thank you! |
| [21:55:51] | uh992k: | ah ... linux 3.2 also directly supports CI |
| [21:56:01] | uh992k: | of this usb receiver ... nice |
| [21:58:24] | sphery: | hehe, that's the one thing I actually know about tuners--how to get that URI :) |
| [22:02:51] | uh992k: | お休みなさい. Good night and thx for help :) |
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