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| [01:43:34] | Twiggy2cents: | http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/24/tivo-shows . . . it-plans-to/ |
| [01:44:10] | Twiggy2cents: | Way to take a good idea, networked and 6 tuners and then put "at least 500GB of space" WTH are you going to get with 6 tuners and only 500GB of space? |
| [01:46:03] | wagnerrp: | about like "the hopper"... measly GB of storage |
| [01:46:34] | Twiggy2cents: | How many tuners does "the hopper" have? |
| [01:46:59] | Twiggy2cents: | I hate that freaking name btw. Just because of their new york accents when they say it on the commercial. |
| [01:47:02] | wagnerrp: | two or three |
| [01:47:09] | wagnerrp: | dont remember specifically |
| [01:47:31] | wagnerrp: | one is dedicated to record all of primetime, coming through on a single mux |
| [01:47:48] | wagnerrp: | the other two are used for the primary display, and remote MoCA unit |
| [01:48:48] | Twiggy2cents: | remote MoCA? Is that like putting a little tunerless hopper(maybe called a joey?) in a bedroom to extend the viewing capability? |
| [01:49:28] | wagnerrp: | i think it might actually be called a joey |
| [01:50:17] | Twiggy2cents: | really?!? |
| [01:50:47] | Twiggy2cents: | And we call ours silly frontends.... how plain |
| [01:52:02] | Twiggy2cents: | So how many channels are on a single mux. It cant be all 1000 channels or whatever satellite has is it? |
| [01:53:05] | wagnerrp: | just the major networks i believe |
| [01:53:33] | wagnerrp: | its their version of the "primetime anytime" crap cable companies are offering now |
| [01:53:54] | wagnerrp: | where you can transparently shift over to VoD to start a show late |
| [01:55:19] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh gotcha |
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| [01:56:35] | linuxtech: | How many hours of HD record can you get with 500GB? |
| [01:56:57] | wagnerrp: | maybe 100 |
| [01:57:56] | Twiggy2cents: | 83 IF it was a true 500GB(which its not) That is going off of ATSC ~6GB for an hour |
| [01:58:54] | wagnerrp: | satellite networks use a lot more h264, and lower bitrates |
| [01:59:02] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh |
| [01:59:08] | wagnerrp: | specifically what bitrate... no idea |
| [01:59:31] | linuxtech: | We got a letter last week that says Metrocast, our cable co, is getting rid of the analog, so I just ordered 2 of the HDHomerun Prime boxes. |
| [01:59:45] | Twiggy2cents: | From woot? |
| [01:59:57] | wagnerrp: | do you know if they actually have their channels marked copy freely? |
| [02:00:01] | linuxtech: | yes, I saw the deal here on IRC earlier. |
| [02:00:19] | Twiggy2cents: | I was hoping that is where you ordered them from! |
| [02:00:51] | linuxtech: | Well I talked to a tech and he said he was working with someone last week getting it to work witha windows box. |
| [02:01:26] | wagnerrp: | doesnt mean anything for us |
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| [02:03:03] | linuxtech: | Well the way I look at it is if they rent DVR's and allow TIVO's with the cable card, I should be able to record with myth. |
| [02:03:21] | linuxtech: | Using their cable cards of course. |
| [02:03:31] | wagnerrp: | youre thinking like a sane customer, stop that |
| [02:03:51] | wagnerrp: | cablecard is a DRM scheme |
| [02:04:12] | wagnerrp: | it is designed to protect the content from YOU, the paying customer |
| [02:04:38] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can only access the copy freely (DRM free) content |
| [02:04:58] | linuxtech: | I did double check with the tech that they were using the M-card cable cards and showed him some links to the HDHomerun today... |
| [02:04:58] | wagnerrp: | since we are not licensed to use cablecards by Cable Labs, we cannot access the copy once, or copy never content |
| [02:05:28] | wagnerrp: | copy once content can be recorded by tivo or WinMCE, but cannot be used outside those systems |
| [02:05:45] | wagnerrp: | copy never content can be recorded, but can only be viewed within a rolling 90 minute window |
| [02:08:41] | linuxtech: | From what I have read thus far I don't think we will have problems, but if we do I will be contacting people and politicians... I know we won't get the pay movies with out Metrocast equipment, but we don't care about that. |
| [02:11:07] | wagnerrp: | it has to do with the very core behavior of all DRM |
| [02:11:24] | wagnerrp: | you give the content, and the keys to the content, to the user |
| [02:11:29] | wagnerrp: | but have to protect it from them |
| [02:11:41] | wagnerrp: | that means the software must remain outside their control |
| [02:11:57] | wagnerrp: | which in turn means DRM will never be usable by any open source project |
| [02:12:08] | wagnerrp: | they are diametrically opposed |
| [02:12:43] | wagnerrp: | if you could access DRM'd content through an open source application |
| [02:12:59] | wagnerrp: | all you would have to do to bypass it is go into the code, disable the protection measures, and recompile |
| [02:13:21] | linuxtech: | Then we, as well as others, need to get the FCC and congress to do something that will continue to allow us fair use! |
| [02:13:34] | wagnerrp: | that ship sailed 20 years ago |
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| [02:13:40] | wagnerrp: | !seen awalls |
| [02:13:40] | MythLogBot: | awalls was last seen 5 days 11 hours 52 minutes 51 seconds ago |
| [02:14:26] | wagnerrp: | look around the internet |
| [02:14:39] | wagnerrp: | you can usually find a way to put your existing cable box into diagnostic mode |
| [02:14:48] | wagnerrp: | that will tell you the CCI status of your subscribed channels |
| [02:15:26] | linuxtech: | We don't have any cable boxes and haven't had them for years. |
| [02:15:54] | wagnerrp: | know anyone with a S3 tivo? |
| [02:16:05] | linuxtech: | Not locally. |
| [02:17:04] | linuxtech: | I could go by the local cable office, they have a few pieces of demo equipment. |
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| [02:21:18] | aleprovencio: | hello guys, can anyone please help me make mythtv work with my Pixelview USB tuner (which already works on tvtime on cable/pal-m) under Ubuntu 12.04? |
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| [02:38:52] | wagnerrp: | best advice i can give you, trash it and pick up something with an MPEG encoder |
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| [02:43:42] | aleprovencio: | wagnerrp, i'm talking about this one (http://www.pixelview.com.br/playtv_usb_hybrid.asp) seems to have it |
| [02:45:56] | wagnerrp: | i see no indication it has a hardware encoder |
| [02:46:17] | wagnerrp: | and tvtime only works with "framegrabber" cards |
| [02:46:37] | wagnerrp: | ones that dump the raw video frames, rather than a compressed video stream |
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| [02:54:17] | aleprovencio: | wagnerrp, does this imply its not going to work with mythtv? |
| [02:55:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can use framegrabbers with the V4L input |
| [02:55:22] | wagnerrp: | theyre just a hassle to use |
| [02:55:53] | wagnerrp: | they are designed for the type of operation that tvtime performs, where the video frames are simply copied out of the tuner card and straight into the video card |
| [02:56:19] | wagnerrp: | not mythtv, where everything is compressed and stored to the hard drive |
| [02:56:42] | wagnerrp: | however, that card would work just fine as an ISDB tuner |
| [02:57:03] | wagnerrp: | ISDB being digital, and compressed by the broadcaster |
| [02:57:20] | wagnerrp: | so all the tuner and mythtv are doing is capturing the compressed stream and storing to disk |
| [02:58:18] | aleprovencio: | ok i get it |
| [02:58:56] | aleprovencio: | i don't have how to test the isdb for now..but its on schedule |
| [02:59:02] | aleprovencio: | thanks for the info :) |
| [02:59:15] | wagnerrp: | in other words, you dont want mythtv to have to encode your video |
| [02:59:30] | wagnerrp: | you want to have it encoded for mythtv, either by the broadcaster, or the capture card itself |
| [03:01:29] | aleprovencio: | what happens if mythtv gets the job of encoding? |
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| [03:01:54] | wagnerrp: | its just a lot more difficult to configure |
| [03:02:05] | [R]: | that's what she said |
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| [03:12:06] | aleprovencio: | going to sleep, thanks again |
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| [03:14:59] | america: | just noticed scheduling transcoding via mythweb doesn't work |
| [03:15:24] | america: | queuing* |
| [03:15:35] | america: | just says "unrecoverable error" |
| [03:16:03] | wagnerrp: | what version? |
| [03:16:07] | america: | .25 |
| [03:17:48] | america: | cant i do it from the FE |
| [03:18:28] | wagnerrp: | the result will be the same |
| [03:18:42] | wagnerrp: | all the frontend or mythweb is doing is adding it to the queue |
| [03:19:05] | america: | i see, how do i determine whats wrong |
| [03:19:31] | wagnerrp: | you can try the logs |
| [03:19:37] | wagnerrp: | what type of recording is this? |
| [03:19:58] | america: | like, format? |
| [03:20:06] | america: | i have hdhr prime |
| [03:20:11] | america: | so mpeg2 |
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| [03:50:04] | wagnerrp: | knightr: good catch on #10752 |
| [03:50:04] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10752 ** | |
| [03:51:10] | wagnerrp: | although im a bit surprised that was too far off to get a match |
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| [04:04:24] | wagnerrp: | "playback of the videos recorded from my still camera"... does not compute |
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| [04:25:08] | tank-man: | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/05/25/003725 . . . ping-feature |
| [04:25:12] | tank-man: | :) |
| [04:25:32] | tank-man: | 'Fox claims that giving viewers the ability to skip commercials on recorded television shows demonstrates the "clear goal of violating copyrights and destroying the fundamental underpinnings of the broadcast television ecosystem' |
| [04:26:34] | wagnerrp: | happened 10 years ago too |
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| [04:36:56] | tank-man: | "David Shull, the senior vice president of programming for Dish, said ... that there is a window of several hours between the time that a show premieres and the time that the all-ad-skipping starts to work." |
| [04:37:09] | tank-man: | what are they doing? manually detecting commercial breaks? lol |
| [04:37:21] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:37:33] | wagnerrp: | i believe so |
| [04:37:34] | [R]: | i think they are trying to make the broadcasters happy |
| [04:37:37] | [R]: | additionally |
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| [05:14:24] | jya: | anyone knows of a UDP/RTSP live stream I can try ? |
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| [11:44:32] | knightr: | wagnerrp, np. doesn't look like there's much space for mispelled words, even "sevice" (missing "r") doesn't work... got to go, ttyl |
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| [14:06:14] | samalex: | how easy/hard is it to get streaming content into MythTV? For example NasaTV, Al Jazeera English, or other sites that stream online. Can these be brought into Myth and recorded just like OTA programming? |
| [14:07:25] | skd5aner: | one developer is trying to rewrite the IPTV implementation and another is using those exact streams to make the HLS implementation more robust |
| [14:09:28] | samalex: | I read about IPTV, seemed like an australian site, is that the same one? |
| [14:10:29] | wagnerrp: | actually, designed for some french site |
| [14:10:32] | wagnerrp: | free.fr |
| [14:10:44] | wagnerrp: | less a site, more an ISP |
| [14:11:14] | wagnerrp: | there are a handful of other IPTV providers around the world that use a similar system |
| [14:14:03] | samalex: | is IPTV only available through the ISP or cable provider? I found one good tutorial, but it requires a Freebox device. |
| [14:14:17] | wagnerrp: | freebox == free.fr |
| [14:14:20] | samalex: | ahh |
| [14:14:30] | samalex: | so this isn't something just anyoen can do, you need Freebox ? |
| [14:14:41] | wagnerrp: | yes, iptv is intended as an alternative to cable tv |
| [14:15:00] | wagnerrp: | your ISP makes dozens or hundreds of channels available over multicast |
| [14:15:06] | samalex: | gotcha, then that might not be waht I'm looking for. i'd like to find someway to just add streaming URL's from the Internet and have them brought into Myth as a channel. |
| [14:15:19] | wagnerrp: | using standard network protocols, you join or part from a multicast group |
| [14:15:34] | wagnerrp: | and the upstream router automatically sends you the data from that multicast |
| [14:15:46] | wagnerrp: | the multicast being one channel, that mythtv can then record |
| [14:16:03] | samalex: | wow, sounds easy when you put it that way :) |
| [14:16:14] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, in case anyone was wondering about our builds, they are still backed up because of launchpad but we did do one last night. Any commits before 20120525.eb1d4a7 should be in there |
| [14:16:24] | tgm4883: | I know Shadow__X was looking for one ^^ |
| [14:16:30] | samalex: | We use DishNetwork so I'm not sure they offer any IPTV services. our ISP is TW though, and some articles show they may support this, but not sure if it's in our area. |
| [14:16:46] | wagnerrp: | no and no |
| [14:17:07] | samalex: | but my goal here is to cut the wire completely and not be tied to any cable provider. |
| [14:17:27] | wagnerrp: | so broadcast networks only? |
| [14:18:11] | wagnerrp: | well things like nasa and aljazeera can be picked up with a DVB-S tuner and a big 6' dish in your backyard |
| [14:18:47] | wagnerrp: | but most of what youll find on satellite are religious and infomercial channels |
| [14:19:32] | samalex: | well cut the wire to the cable provieers rather :) I'm keeping my Internets, so i'd like to stream content from there to Myth. |
| [14:20:05] | wagnerrp: | but the issue is most internet content is on-demand, not intended for streaming |
| [14:20:08] | samalex: | I've looked at FTA TV and I might get into that at some poine, but given the cost to setup a small Myth system is much less then buying a Ku band dish and receiver I'll stick to streaming for now. |
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| [14:21:28] | samalex: | most is but not all. Content from NASA TV, RT, Al Jazeera English, BBC (given I proxy into the UK – I'm in the US), plus content from uStream and similar sites do live streaming. |
| [14:21:47] | samalex: | CNN even offers live streaming with authentication. |
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| [14:27:06] | samalex: | I guess I'm more or less looking for channel options like Roku has where people can add streaming content from pretty much anyplace online, granted the codecs are compatible. |
| [14:27:24] | wagnerrp: | see mythnetvision |
| [14:28:26] | samalex: | wagnerrp: wow that looks great! |
| [14:28:40] | samalex: | MythVodka is another I found that has some neat features |
| [14:29:21] | wagnerrp: | mythvodka was abandoned by its developer years ago |
| [14:30:28] | wagnerrp: | the only neat feature was direct access to hulu |
| [14:30:36] | wagnerrp: | but that vulnerability was similarly closed off years ago |
| [14:31:36] | samalex: | that stinks, it looks like a neat project. |
| [14:32:25] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [14:32:46] | wagnerrp: | plus that manner of accessing hulu would never have been accepted into the code base |
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| [14:33:25] | samalex: | ahh |
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| [14:34:24] | samalex: | well we have other devices to play Hulu, Netflix, etc, I mainly want something that can bring streaming content to the TV along with OTA recording. If not for the need of an OTA DVR I'd just get a Roku, but Myth just seems so much more capable. |
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| [14:40:45] | dekarl-work: | samalex, if you want InternetTV as a recording *now* you can base a stream relay on this concept http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Dekarl/How_to . . . ke_a_Freebox |
| [14:42:51] | dekarl-work: | ^- that works well with 0.24/fixes |
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| [14:58:51] | skd5aner: | jya: a little agressive in the libav/ffmpeg "bug" reports don't you think? :) |
| [14:59:06] | jya: | me? |
| [14:59:14] | skd5aner: | heh – yea... |
| [14:59:16] | jya: | don't think so... |
| [14:59:35] | skd5aner: | if someone posted something like that as bug report to mythtv, it'd be closed in a heartbeat... |
| [14:59:38] | jya: | it was a stupid decision they made based on a flawed analysis on what is "useful" |
| [15:00:16] | skd5aner: | well, I agree with your assessment, but I just know it wouldn't fly well if a user came off that way complaining about a feature they thought was useful in mythtv that was removed |
| [15:00:18] | jya: | as-if… look at how long the thread and reports have been just in regards to a damned switch in regards to how to log |
| [15:00:35] | skd5aner: | (via bug report) |
| [15:00:55] | jya: | I think my report and analysis was perfectly accurate, I wouldn't want to change a thing |
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| [15:01:15] | jya: | to gain a 3% playback, they made our code 260% slower |
| [15:01:32] | jya: | knowing that mpeg2 decoding is just never too slow |
| [15:02:04] | jya: | with any low-powered backend, you can know say goodbye to real-time commflagging |
| [15:02:08] | skd5aner: | analysis is accruate, just seems like you basically called them idiots for removing it |
| [15:02:27] | jya: | I certainly did not… |
| [15:02:41] | jya: | i did say that whomever responsded got his math wrong |
| [15:03:05] | jya: | the inverse of 3% isn't 3%… but that's an irrelevant issue and I put a smiley |
| [15:04:09] | skd5aner: | yea, I get where you're coming from – I can just see a similiar report coming into trac for mythtv and it immediately being bitched about as a user bitching about a development decision – that's all, just putting the shoe on the other foot |
| [15:04:15] | skd5aner: | and the smiley always helps :) |
| [15:05:07] | jya: | and many times we removed an issue, users complained, it was reassessed and re-added |
| [15:05:12] | jya: | happen all the times |
| [15:05:28] | jya: | like the setting removed for choosing the subtitle fonts |
| [15:05:37] | jya: | removed – re-added and actually improved |
| [15:05:53] | jya: | that's just on top of my head |
| [15:06:18] | jya: | and if myth was known to not keep old features forever, you wouldn't have project like Torc… |
| [15:06:30] | skd5aner: | sorry – my intent of the conversation isn't probably coming across as intended right now, as is probably how I may be misreading the delivery of your bug reports :) |
| [15:06:55] | jya: | funny, people complain that features never get removed, and that we keep things forever, and just as much complain when we attempt to remove things |
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| [15:07:32] | jya: | I didn't say they were idiots, I said that the reason for them to remove the feature as being not used was flawed |
| [15:07:43] | jya: | and that it was shortsighted |
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| [15:09:58] | jya: | I also reported it to the FFmpeg project |
| [15:10:09] | jya: | the answer was not uninteresting either |
| [15:10:21] | jya: | it was AFAIK: lowres is still supported |
| [15:10:28] | jya: | so they don't even know what they merge ! |
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| [15:20:47] | skd5aner: | jya: that's pretty funny |
| [15:20:53] | skd5aner: | er, scary actually |
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| [15:44:34] | andrewju: | Hi All |
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| [15:46:50] | andrewju: | I'm trying to setup MythTV 0.25 on a new machine, and something is not working well... Are there any known issues with MythTV Version : v0.25-111-geb1d4a7 ? |
| [15:48:11] | wagnerrp: | trac is full of known issues |
| [15:48:33] | wagnerrp: | what are you referring to in particular? |
| [15:50:31] | andrewju: | Ugh, yeah, sorry... I'll try to be more specific. :) I compiled and installed a fresh MythTV on a new CentOS system. I ran mythtv-setup, configured my DVB adapters and searched for channels – it went fine. |
| [15:50:40] | dekarl-2: | jya, I've just looked at the discussion wrt lowres... someone pulls a number of 1–3% improvement from his rear (aka just a claim) in July, that is enough that everyone decides its super important to rip lowres out, even though someone hints at using libav in security cam apps where on wants to perform mortion detection in lowres images on 16 streams at once... |
| [15:50:46] | dekarl-2: | then it *lies around 9 months* (because its so super important to maybe get a speed improvement) and gets commited breaking our stuff and this security appliance... |
| [15:51:51] | jya: | not surprising |
| [15:52:20] | andrewju: | But when I start mythbackend, I see some errors regarding DVB, like DiSEqCDevTree: FE_SET_VOLTAGE failed; Getting Frontend signal error rate failed |
| [15:52:45] | wagnerrp: | these are DVB-S[2] cards? |
| [15:52:48] | dekarl-2: | nice start for a discussion about a performance optimization... " though I did not benchmark it." |
| [15:52:50] | andrewju: | and most importantly – mythfrontend doesn't seem to communicate with backend at all |
| [15:53:02] | andrewju: | yep, these are DVB-S2 |
| [15:53:14] | wagnerrp: | combined frontend/backend? |
| [15:53:17] | andrewju: | yes |
| [15:53:31] | wagnerrp: | are you sure the backend is actually running when you try to connect to it with the frontend? |
| [15:54:08] | andrewju: | Sure, it is running. And mythfrontend regularly complains " The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty." |
| [15:54:22] | jya: | dekarl-2: ah so the guys just said, though I didn't benchmark it, it's reducing speed by 3% |
| [15:54:53] | dekarl-2: | apparently he ran some quick tests later and found 1%-3%... I bet its not statistically relevant... |
| [15:55:37] | dekarl-2: | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.libav.devel/7881 <- "I ran some tests, and decoding is 1–3% faster with this removed. In the reverse situation, a patch adding lowres would thus have been rejected." |
| [15:55:58] | wagnerrp: | the MYTH_PROTO_VERSION issue says the main server has stalled |
| [15:56:07] | wagnerrp: | and it has stalled for reasons we still dont understand |
| [15:56:25] | wagnerrp: | some race condition somewhere, that for unknown reasons, seems to only exhibit itself on CentOS systems |
| [15:56:56] | dekarl-2: | if anybody wants to test performance, please do a proper benchmark. now that ministat is available precompiled and packaged even users can simply figure out if there is a significant difference |
| [15:57:20] | andrewju: | wagnerrp: Hugh... :-( Is there anything I can do about it? I'm on Centos 6.2... |
| [15:57:21] | sphery: | andrewju: the "why it doesn't work on CentOS" tickets: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10188 + http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10265 + http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10702 (and the already-closed-as-a-dup http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10302 ) |
| [15:57:31] | sphery: | those may explain any protocol-related failures |
| [15:57:39] | sphery: | and/or hangs |
| [15:58:22] | wagnerrp: | my guess, all the threads are getting caught up in the scheduler, which is stalled due to tuner issues |
| [15:58:37] | wagnerrp: | fix the tuner issues, fix the protocol issue |
| [15:59:37] | sphery: | andrewju: plus the whole issue with broken dbus and/or broken Qt-DBus – http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10265#comment:9 |
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| [16:01:53] | sphery: | fwiw, I hear mythbuntu works great... ;) |
| [16:02:07] | andrewju: | Ugh, sounds bad... :-( I was putting a lot of hopes on CentOS... Anything I can help with? I can't code, but I can test something since I have a fresh (and powerful) CentOS machine ... |
| [16:02:30] | wagnerrp: | so such thing as a fresh centos machine |
| [16:02:36] | wagnerrp: | by definition, it is several years old |
| [16:02:45] | wagnerrp: | by intent, even |
| [16:03:04] | sphery: | andrewju: also, if you have any of the selinux stuff enabled, I'd guess that will break stuff, too... |
| [16:03:20] | andrewju: | No, no selinux is disabled |
| [16:03:28] | sphery: | just some places to look at, and if you figure out any root causes or whatever, please let us know |
| [16:03:52] | sphery: | but, fwiw, it sounds like it's not that difficult to disable messagebus daemon so mythbackend works |
| [16:04:50] | andrewju: | Yes, I see that. I will try some things discussed in those trac tickets and will report if anything would make it work for me. |
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| [16:10:10] | andrewju: | BTW, mythtv-setup works quite good – it scanned 2 LNBs connected via DISEqC and correctly found a lot of channels. Not sure if there are all the channels I want, but there are surely many. So mythtv-setup doesn't seem to have the issue mythbackend is having with CentOS. |
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| [16:12:56] | dekarl-2: | jya, just saw the comment. I was trying to say that a perfomance test should be statistically significant. basically the difference between getting reliable 1–3% instead of accidently getting 1–3% difference due to phase of moon or something :) |
| [16:13:25] | dekarl-2: | anyway, got to go home and assemble some furniture, bbl |
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| [18:12:24] | Swabby: | Is there an easy way to use MythTV with Digital Channels (that normally require a box) i.e. is there a card that will decrypt them or do you have to connect the cable box? |
| [18:13:13] | [R]: | depends on what type of "bos" you are talkinga bout |
| [18:13:16] | [R]: | box* |
| [18:13:35] | Swabby: | It's a DCH6416 by Motorola |
| [18:13:47] | [R]: | and who is your provider |
| [18:13:56] | Swabby: | Insight Communications which is getting merged with Time Warner currently |
| [18:14:05] | [R]: | cable card migh get your channels |
| [18:14:06] | [R]: | it might not |
| [18:14:07] | [R]: | depends |
| [18:14:28] | Swabby: | I have a current cable card..i don't think it gets any of the digital ones.. |
| [18:14:40] | Swabby: | if that's the case..do most people connect it straight to the box or just do without? |
| [18:14:53] | [R]: | i connect an hdpvr to my satellite erceiver |
| [18:15:10] | Swabby: | are you using IR to control? |
| [18:15:35] | [R]: | nope |
| [18:15:41] | [R]: | my reciever is network controllable |
| [18:15:47] | Swabby: | ahhh..nice |
| [18:15:53] | [R]: | but when i had cable, i used firewire to control it |
| [18:16:27] | Swabby: | nice.....so since your satellite reciever is network controllable, you can tell mythtv to drive that... when you change the channel... |
| [18:18:47] | wagnerrp: | cablecard tuners are not an option with insight, nearly all their channels are copy protected |
| [18:18:56] | wagnerrp: | Swabby: what area are you in? |
| [18:19:18] | Swabby: | Kentucky |
| [18:19:31] | wagnerrp: | northern? or louisville? |
| [18:19:37] | Swabby: | Bowling Green |
| [18:19:44] | Swabby: | I think our market is the same as Louisville |
| [18:20:03] | wagnerrp: | well, what i was going to suggest doesnt apply to either |
| [18:20:27] | Swabby: | If i can get the cablecard from them that will get the channels, i'm assuming i can get a turner card to put the cablecard into? |
| [18:20:54] | wagnerrp: | yes, but it will do you no good |
| [18:21:03] | wagnerrp: | insight marks their channels as copy protected |
| [18:21:06] | Swabby: | ahhhh |
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| [18:21:26] | wagnerrp: | since mythtv is open source, and thus cannot implement any form of copy protection |
| [18:21:28] | Swabby: | so my options are either accept channels 2–69 -or- get it to talk to my existing dvr right? |
| [18:21:46] | wagnerrp: | it is not authorized to access those channels, and so the cablecard tuner will not stream them to us |
| [18:21:54] | wagnerrp: | yes, for now... |
| [18:22:06] | wagnerrp: | give it time and your only option will be to talk to your existing cable bo |
| [18:22:06] | wagnerrp: | x |
| [18:22:21] | wagnerrp: | they cut out our analog channels like a year and a half ago |
| [18:22:32] | Swabby: | got it...are you familiar with any resources out on the web that show how people integrate it into their existing boxes? |
| [18:23:02] | wagnerrp: | its straight forward enough |
| [18:23:09] | wagnerrp: | get an MPEG encoder or HDPVR |
| [18:23:16] | wagnerrp: | connect it to your cable box |
| [18:23:35] | wagnerrp: | and use LIRC with an external channel changer script to control the cable box |
| [18:23:47] | wagnerrp: | that last step is a doosey, and rather poorly documented |
| [18:23:57] | Swabby: | nice....i'm new to lirc but i can probably figure it out :) |
| [18:24:12] | Swabby: | can you recommend a MPEG encoder people are using currently? I assume it "runs" on the myth tv box? |
| [18:24:37] | wagnerrp: | !url – list |
| [18:24:37] | MythLogBot: | analoghw currentrelease deleteme(disabled) devrelease digitalhw down faq fixesrelease google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs overscan overview pastebin recordingcable theming tuners upnp vdpau wiki |
| [18:24:45] | wagnerrp: | !url analoghw |
| [18:24:45] | MythLogBot: | analoghw: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Analog_Hardware_Encoder_Cards |
| [18:24:52] | Swabby: | thanks for your help wagner i really appreciate it! |
| [18:24:56] | Swabby: | i got some reading to do ;) |
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| [19:07:56] | EvilGuru: | Bah! ITV1 and ITV1+1 seems to have moved about, guess it is time for a retune |
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| [19:39:54] | earthw0rm: | You know the storage groups and that, should I be making folders for TV series, films, documentaries, that sort of thing? Is that how it works? |
| [19:40:59] | wagnerrp: | if you wish |
| [19:41:07] | wagnerrp: | but it would only be for your own organizational benefit |
| [19:41:22] | earthw0rm: | Okay, so Mythtv doesn't use folders like that |
| [19:41:46] | wagnerrp: | for recordings, everything is stored flat, at the base of the directories you define in mythtv-setup |
| [19:41:53] | wagnerrp: | same for artwork |
| [19:42:08] | earthw0rm: | I've made a "recordings" folder on each of my hard drives yeah |
| [19:42:54] | earthw0rm: | I need to make a "video" folder for my existing video files as well then |
| [19:43:03] | earthw0rm: | What's "artwork" |
| [19:43:17] | wagnerrp: | fanart, coverart, banners, etc... |
| [19:43:42] | wagnerrp: | artwork that gets displayed for recordings and videos |
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| [19:44:44] | earthw0rm: | Does MythTV pick up that artwork automatically for recordings and/or videos I add? |
| [19:44:56] | wagnerrp: | it will try to, yes |
| [19:45:02] | earthw0rm: | Nice |
| [19:45:16] | wagnerrp: | well, sort of |
| [19:45:20] | earthw0rm: | :D |
| [19:45:21] | wagnerrp: | by default, it will not |
| [19:45:26] | wagnerrp: | you can tell it to automatically do so |
| [19:45:39] | earthw0rm: | Would seem to be a good thing to do |
| [19:46:12] | wagnerrp: | for videos, there is an optional bulk downloader that will run only once for each video in your library, attempting to match it to the metadata grabbers |
| [19:46:26] | wagnerrp: | you can have this get run automatically after you perform a scan |
| [19:46:43] | wagnerrp: | for recordings, you can run mythmetadatalookup as a job through the jobqueue |
| [19:47:05] | wagnerrp: | but you must tell mythtv you want it to run automatically for a recording rule |
| [19:47:19] | earthw0rm: | So, if I go into Recordings, I'll see this meta data? |
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| [19:47:42] | wagnerrp: | if that job has run, and if you are using a theme that supports artwork |
| [19:48:14] | earthw0rm: | Does the default one? |
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| [19:48:42] | wagnerrp: | i believe so |
| [19:49:12] | earthw0rm: | Groovy, I'll have to turn this on once I've got some recordings and copied my Videos over |
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