| Thursday, May 24th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
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| [00:01:42] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: yes, but we have no control over what data is available from TMS, and when you use --dd-grab-all, it simply says, "get everything in one pull" |
| [00:02:02] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: so I'm guessing that the only difference is that when you later ran it manually, TMS had more data available to give you |
| [00:02:16] | sphery: | if you just let it run automatically a couple days, it should go back to normal |
| [00:02:17] | Twiggy2cents: | Weird. This is a daily issue I am having though |
| [00:02:38] | sphery: | and, FWIW, I /really/ think we need to remove that stupid "might be broken" message because it shows far too often when there's no problem |
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| [00:04:12] | Twiggy2cents: | I guess I will let it go longer and see if it fixes itself. |
| [00:04:17] | Twiggy2cents: | Thanks for the advice |
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| [00:05:42] | sphery: | yeah, if it doesn't fix itself, please let me know... there's nothing in mfdb I can think of that could have any effect on that, but if it continues we can look into it |
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| [00:06:48] | Twiggy2cents: | Okay. Is there any mfdb stuff in the ~ config directory? |
| [00:08:08] | sphery: | no, just the config.xml that points to the db |
| [00:09:18] | Twiggy2cents: | Okay, I didnt think it would make a difference. |
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| [00:14:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: does the new config.xml support SecurityPin? |
| [00:14:24] | sphery: | for some reason my config.xml's don't have it |
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| [00:14:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont know where its supposed to go |
| [00:15:01] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, im not sure what its needed for |
| [00:15:26] | wagnerrp: | you enter the pin once, and store the retrieved credentials for later use |
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| [00:17:10] | wagnerrp: | unless you intend to store it to allow future moves and changes |
| [00:17:50] | sphery: | yeah, if we store db credentials, the pin to ask the backend for db credentials probably isn't required |
| [00:23:19] | sphery: | or, it seems security pin allows connecting to backend, but if you have db credentials, you can look up pin |
| [00:24:05] | sphery: | ah, no, it is to connect to the backend to get db credentials |
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| [00:31:29] | zombor: | is there any way to fix the constant "video frame buffering failed too many times" errors? |
| [00:31:57] | sphery: | during live tv? |
| [00:32:05] | zombor: | yah |
| [00:32:19] | zombor: | it happens to me too many times for me to count |
| [00:32:30] | sphery: | current 0.25-fixes? |
| [00:33:19] | zombor: | whatever is in the portage overlay for gentoo |
| [00:33:20] | zombor: | 0.25_rc20120329 |
| [00:34:09] | sphery: | that's old, you need to update |
| [00:34:35] | sphery: | not sure how to do so on gentoo, so I'll leave you to someone who does |
| [00:34:48] | zombor: | ill try and update the repo |
| [00:34:49] | sphery: | (but that problem is likely fixed in post 0.25-release fixes) |
| [00:35:12] | zombor: | it's been happening to me from 0.23 all the way up to today |
| [00:35:45] | zombor: | would this be the branch i want? https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/fixes/0.25 |
| [00:37:26] | zombor: | looks like 0.25_rc20120329 is the latest in there? |
| [00:38:02] | sphery: | you want to install MythTV from this branch: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/fixes/0.25 |
| [00:38:38] | zombor: | i dont want to install it outside of my packaging syste, |
| [00:38:40] | zombor: | system* |
| [00:38:48] | sphery: | you will have to use the procedure to update the ebuild/overlay/whatever it's called |
| [00:38:53] | sphery: | I don't know that procedure |
| [00:38:57] | sphery: | so someone else will have to help |
| [00:38:59] | zombor: | lemme see |
| [00:39:07] | sphery: | there's some script to do it for you |
| [00:39:47] | zombor: | probably this: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . 29.ebuild#L9 |
| [00:40:20] | zombor: | ill try pointing it to 697041382ffb1a876f9b35c2568cfb2143ff263c |
| [00:41:00] | zombor: | i've got to do this for all my systems though, eh |
| [00:50:30] | zombor: | bleh, the ebuild doesn't work for the newest version |
| [00:54:52] | wagnerrp: | who is ryan goat? hes someone in here right? |
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| [00:56:13] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: see sphery's commit about an hour ago |
| [00:56:38] | wagnerrp: | ah, seems he already mentioned it in the other channel |
| [00:57:34] | zombor: | wagnerrp: you've got some commit history in the packaging repo, any plans on updating it to the newest version for the gentoo package? |
| [00:58:23] | wagnerrp: | once i finish replacing the existing ebuild generator |
| [00:58:40] | wagnerrp: | until then.... 'scripts/mythtv-buildebuild.py --version=0.25 --type=p' |
| [00:59:18] | zombor: | ah, i see |
| [00:59:24] | zombor: | i think i got it working by hand though now |
| [00:59:54] | zombor: | i mean manually copying the old .25 ebuild and tweaking the hash |
| [01:00:09] | wagnerrp: | right, that script is supposed to do all that for you |
| [01:00:53] | zombor: | i had to remove this line too: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . .ebuild#L131 |
| [01:01:58] | wagnerrp: | still got it in mine |
| [01:02:18] | wagnerrp: | although the patch itself may need updating so it applies against a modified source file |
| [01:02:20] | zombor: | maybe fixing the hash fixed that |
| [01:02:26] | zombor: | i didn't bother to put it back =/ |
| [01:02:35] | zombor: | right, i think the patch apply failed |
| [01:02:56] | wagnerrp: | but it is needed, or else the installation fails |
| [01:03:29] | zombor: | hrmf, ok, i'll wait to see if it fails first :) |
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| [01:20:14] | ** sphery wonders why his new config.xml has UPnP/MythFrontend/DefaultBackend/DBHostPing in it, still, when the new tag is UPnP/Database/PingHost ** | |
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| [01:22:42] | zombor: | wagnerrp: the patch fixes this stuff at the end? "!!! dohtml: docs/*.html does not exist" |
| [01:25:43] | wagnerrp: | no, theres a big warning of a sandbox violation, and portage completely craps out |
| [01:28:07] | zombor: | hmm, i just get this: https://gist.github.com/2778905 |
| [01:28:19] | zombor: | must be the access voilation |
| [01:29:02] | zombor: | figured they were related |
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| [01:31:36] | zombor: | looks like the patch worked, ill wait for the recompile |
| [01:31:42] | Twiggy2cents: | I cant believe house was over |
| [01:31:57] | Twiggy2cents: | It may of been on a long time but it was a great ending to a great story. |
| [01:32:11] | Twiggy2cents: | I think it will be hard for Hugh Laurie to find a job in the US though |
| [01:32:29] | Twiggy2cents: | s/job/role/ |
| [01:32:45] | zombor: | Twiggy2cents: i thought it was a terrible last episode |
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| [01:33:09] | Twiggy2cents: | I guess it is an eye of the beholder sort of thing |
| [01:33:31] | Twiggy2cents: | I would as why but seeing as how this is a PVR channel, people may not of seen it yet ;-) |
| [01:33:32] | zombor: | of course, but i didn't really think the first 50 minutes of the episode had any point |
| [01:33:49] | Twiggy2cents: | your talking about the actual episode and not the swan song part? |
| [01:33:57] | zombor: | yes, the actual episode |
| [01:34:16] | Twiggy2cents: | I think it is amazing how he hides the uk accent so perfectly! |
| [01:34:37] | zombor: | sure, i *love* house. i think thats why i was so disappointed by it ;) |
| [01:34:56] | zombor: | seemed very half assed |
| [01:35:03] | zombor: | imo :) |
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| [01:35:07] | Twiggy2cents: | I am pretty sure that almost all episodes have 50 minutes of filler and 10 minutes of worthwhile. That is how they manage to drag out a story for years |
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| [01:35:18] | zombor: | nah, this one was different |
| [01:35:32] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: its absolutely disturbing when you hear him with his normal voice |
| [01:35:38] | Twiggy2cents: | hah |
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| [01:36:08] | wagnerrp: | almost as disturbing as seeing archer with his normal face |
| [01:36:17] | Twiggy2cents: | I didnt realize it was his voice at first on swan song. |
| [01:36:33] | zombor: | heh |
| [01:36:59] | Twiggy2cents: | I knew he was British, but this many years of house had made me forget |
| [01:37:43] | Twiggy2cents: | zombor, I see where you are coming from on the episode. I guess what I am saying is that the last episode gave good closure to a long running series |
| [01:38:00] | Twiggy2cents: | No unanswered questions just a good ending. |
| [01:38:06] | zombor: | yeah, im just saying i could have thought that up in 5 minutes |
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| [01:38:21] | zombor: | and i have lots of unanswered questions :) |
| [01:38:33] | Twiggy2cents: | Well just dont dwell on those |
| [01:38:36] | Twiggy2cents: | :-) |
| [01:38:38] | zombor: | lol |
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| [01:41:48] | Twiggy2cents: | I am curious to see the awake series finale |
| [01:43:18] | Twiggy2cents: | They said that it wasnt meant to be the end of the story but should be good. I have a feeling that that will be a let down. It sounds like they are saying "This episode answers "some" questions but leaves you hanging on the important questions like WTH is going on". |
| [01:45:52] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: does that mean that awake won't get a S2? |
| [01:46:59] | Twiggy2cents: | According to what I heard on the radio... I dont even think that this was the finale. |
| [01:47:46] | Twiggy2cents: | http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/05/11/a . . . -nbc/133644/ |
| [01:48:15] | Twiggy2cents: | I do like that they are bringing rookie blues back though. I hope it will make it through a season. I like that show |
| [01:48:36] | sphery: | haven't watched rookie, yet |
| [01:49:32] | sphery: | I really don't need yet another crime drama |
| [01:49:54] | sphery: | (that said, I'm looking forward to NYC 22 because I like Leelee) |
| [01:50:19] | Twiggy2cents: | It is a good show. Speaking of cancellations, I love how breaking in made it most or all of a season then disappeared for like a year then shows up 3 episodes and is canceled again! |
| [01:50:37] | Twiggy2cents: | Meh its all the same. What is the difference between dramas anyway |
| [01:50:39] | sphery: | will probably watch Rookie, eventually... just a bit flooded with crime dramas between all the CSI's and Criminal Minds and NCIS's and ... |
| [01:50:56] | Twiggy2cents: | Oh, I gave up on those awhile ago |
| [01:50:58] | wagnerrp: | im glad its cancelled |
| [01:51:00] | sphery: | yeah, I like Breaking in |
| [01:51:18] | wagnerrp: | it makes me feel less bad for deleting it without watching the first time through... :) |
| [01:51:22] | Twiggy2cents: | I do too. I liked it better when Oz ran the place but the new stuff wasnt really bad either.. |
| [01:51:22] | zombor: | wagnerrp: looks like it worked, thanks |
| [01:51:28] | sphery: | I like Brett Harrison, though, so that's much of my reasoning |
| [01:51:32] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, breaking in or awake? |
| [01:51:41] | wagnerrp: | well, either actually |
| [01:51:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: glad breaking in is cancelled? |
| [01:51:45] | sphery: | oh |
| [01:51:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that the Reaper guy? |
| [01:52:12] | Twiggy2cents: | when you have OTA like sphery or I do you learn to cherish the new shows ;-) |
| [01:52:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah |
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| [01:52:34] | sphery: | and The Loop |
| [01:52:38] | fryguy: | intel hd3000 is useless for 1080p playback, right? |
| [01:52:40] | Twiggy2cents: | I literally have 7 channels. 4 of which I watch |
| [01:52:47] | wagnerrp: | when you have OTA like sphery, you dont get around to deleting things until three years after theyve been canceled anyway |
| [01:52:51] | sphery: | between him and Christian Slater, cancellation was a foregone conclusion |
| [01:52:56] | sphery: | they can't keep a show running |
| [01:53:05] | wagnerrp: | what was the other thing Slater was on recently? |
| [01:53:14] | Twiggy2cents: | yeah I guess that is true. sphery you will finally be able to watch house beginning to end now! |
| [01:53:36] | wagnerrp: | fryguy: VAAPI is of limited reliability, but any CPU with an HD3000 is plenty fast to not need one |
| [01:53:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: The Forgotten |
| [01:53:43] | wagnerrp: | of course nothing we get is in 1080p |
| [01:53:53] | wagnerrp: | so youre looking at bluray only |
| [01:54:13] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: hehe, I'm all caught up to this season (thanks to syndication and MyTV) |
| [01:54:18] | wagnerrp: | any broadcast/cable content in north america peaks out at 1080i |
| [01:54:25] | sphery: | have this season recorded, but haven't started it, yet |
| [01:54:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the one |
| [01:54:29] | Twiggy2cents: | Isnt mytv in sd? |
| [01:54:34] | sphery: | not here |
| [01:55:01] | sphery: | MyTV is the "wild one" in that some are 720p, some are 1080i (as mine is), and some are still 480p |
| [01:55:03] | wagnerrp: | there are a few networks where mytv is actually the primary channel on the mux |
| [01:55:06] | fryguy: | wagnerrp: yah i have a bunch of h.264 encoded blueray rips (x264/mkv) that I want to be able to playback. So like an i3 with an hd3000 would be fine for playback? |
| [01:55:09] | fryguy: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856115034 |
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| [01:55:35] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh I was thinking of this... I think I removed mytv. That is on a multicast with a big provider right? |
| [01:55:41] | sphery: | MyTV was the "leftover" station in areas that had both a UPN and a WB, when CW was made |
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| [01:56:00] | Twiggy2cents: | by this I meant "This" channel |
| [01:56:02] | wagnerrp: | fryguy: that system does not support anything with an HD3000 |
| [01:56:04] | sphery: | and as an independent--without money--they pretty much went with "whatever's cheapest" |
| [01:56:38] | fryguy: | wagnerrp: err, sorry, was wrong link. was looking at something else. In the case of that comp, I can just get a whatever nvidia card and be golden then, right? |
| [01:56:41] | Twiggy2cents: | I know I had it somewhere in my chans, but I removed all the bloat I am never going to use. |
| [01:56:56] | fryguy: | seems like an affordable barebones for case + power + motherboard |
| [01:57:01] | wagnerrp: | assuming you can fit an nvidia card in there |
| [01:57:30] | wagnerrp: | of course any older i3 with just a GMAHD should be plenty to decode bluray content in software as well |
| [01:57:51] | wagnerrp: | the HD2000 and HD3000 are only on socket 1155 chips |
| [01:57:57] | wagnerrp: | thats a socket 1156 board |
| [01:58:20] | fryguy: | so pretty much any i3 with onboard video is going to be enough? |
| [01:58:21] | wagnerrp: | intel scrapped a socket after just a single generation |
| [01:58:28] | wagnerrp: | after running 775 for so many years |
| [01:58:44] | wagnerrp: | onboard intel graphics suck regardless of what you get |
| [01:58:50] | wagnerrp: | but it should be sufficient for mythtv's opengl needs |
| [01:59:04] | fryguy: | would I save power by using nvidia instead? |
| [01:59:32] | Twiggy2cents: | man Tuesdays and Wednesdays are slow recording days for me.... This old house, Simpsons, and family guy |
| [02:00:05] | wagnerrp: | you would use less power during decoding |
| [02:00:10] | wagnerrp: | and a whole lot more power when idle |
| [02:03:32] | fryguy: | what other differences would I see between intel onboard and nvidia? |
| [02:03:47] | wagnerrp: | nvidia has better drivers |
| [02:03:57] | wagnerrp: | nvidia has some niceties that make it easier to boot up while the tv is off |
| [02:04:07] | fryguy: | such as ? |
| [02:04:40] | wagnerrp: | you can force feed it an EDID |
| [02:04:53] | wagnerrp: | rather than requiring the TV be on to provide one over the display connector |
| [02:05:18] | fryguy: | ah, and I can just buy some super cheap fanless nvidia right? it doesn't need to be anything special, just a recent enough generation to support vdpau, right? so like any old GTX would work, anything else to look for? |
| [02:05:42] | fryguy: | it sounds like I should just get an nvidia card, especially since it's only going to add a few dollars to the build |
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| [02:15:33] | fryguy: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121631 |
| [02:15:40] | fryguy: | seems like it would work, and supports full vdpau feature set |
| [02:20:31] | Twiggy2cents: | My only two cents is that I have a slim micro atx computer and had issues with my MSI nvidia 210's heatsink hitting the power supply. Luckily it was only the top part that said MSI(was taller than the rest) and I could could it off to make it fit so it all was well. But I just wanted to let you know I ran into that. |
| [02:21:26] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh your case is opposite of mine. Mine the psu is next to the pcie slot. I think you will be fine with yours |
| [02:22:04] | fryguy: | i'm not necessarily attached to that case |
| [02:22:07] | fryguy: | i'm still looking around |
| [02:22:26] | fryguy: | i have an old full-size ATX silverstone case laying around that I might use too, I don't think the IR on it will power on a computer from full-off though |
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| [02:29:38] | Twiggy2cents: | meh S2 works fine for me |
| [02:29:57] | Twiggy2cents: | Err S3 |
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| [02:41:12] | justdave: | I'm in 0.25... I have both a bluray drive and a dvd drive on this frontend box. To avoid having it prompt me which drive to monitor every time I reboot, I have the bluray drive listed in the "ignore devices" config option. |
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| [02:41:23] | justdave: | playing a DVD in the DVD drive works fine... |
| [02:41:35] | justdave: | but when I tell it to eject, it ejects the bluray drive instead of the dvd drive |
| [02:42:24] | justdave: | and the dvd drive is the built-in one on a Mac Mini, which has no physical eject button, so I either have to quit out of mythtv and eject it from unity or ssh into it and do it on the command line |
| [02:42:44] | justdave: | ironically, the bluray drive has a physical eject button ;) |
| [02:43:26] | justdave: | mythtv won't play a disc in the bluray drive though (because it's in the ignore list) |
| [02:44:14] | justdave: | of course, I set that up on 0.24, suppose I should try it without to see if they got smart about "just monitor all of them" or something :) |
| [02:45:04] | justdave: | hah, no such luck, it prompts still. |
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| [03:10:58] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, looking back, what comment was I suppose to see? |
| [03:11:17] | wagnerrp: | mysql commit |
| [03:11:22] | tgm4883: | oh wait, yea I saw the other channel |
| [03:11:23] | wagnerrp: | the myisam temp table thing |
| [03:12:23] | tgm4883: | yep, once that hits 0.25 we'll do the paperwork for 12.04.1 |
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| [03:12:40] | tgm4883: | well, we'll wait on the paperwork, don't need it for awhile it seems |
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| [04:06:31] | Oleg_: | Look what happened: |
| [04:06:34] | Oleg_: | 2012-05–24 00:04:29.975053 E HouseKeeper: Error downloading http://themes.mythtv.org/themes/repository/0.25/themes.zipremote themes info package. |
| [04:06:34] | Oleg_: | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| [04:07:04] | Oleg_: | why would it want to download themes? |
| [04:07:18] | Oleg_: | I didn't ask it to download any themes |
| [04:07:49] | wagnerrp: | did you go into the theme chooser? |
| [04:11:13] | Oleg_: | no |
| [04:11:45] | Oleg_: | I was watching a video when it crashed with that message |
| [04:12:29] | Oleg_: | looks like only mythfrontend crashed |
| [04:12:35] | Oleg_: | mythbackend is still running |
| [04:13:07] | wagnerrp: | it will check to see if there is an updated copy of the theme you are using |
| [04:13:12] | wagnerrp: | but that should only happen on startup |
| [04:16:38] | Oleg_: | well, as I said, it crashed when I was watching a video |
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| [07:42:37] | Curly060: | Hi!Before I moved,I had Sat and a nice box, which had a feature called "perfect recording". It meant that it recognized if a programme is sent later or takes longer. It used EPG data for this. Of course this only works, if the EPG data is updated in the right moments. Does mythtv support anything like that? If so, how is it called and where do I configure it? |
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| [07:43:41] | wagnerrp: | depends on the type of rule |
| [07:43:59] | wagnerrp: | if you are using EIT data, or if your xmltv provider updates in a reasonable time frame |
| [07:44:17] | Curly060: | using EIT |
| [07:44:19] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will record the appropriate time frame for the selected show |
| [07:44:40] | wagnerrp: | if you are instead doing something like recording a specific time frame, and not a selected show |
| [07:44:52] | wagnerrp: | deviation from the time frame may cause the scheduler to abort and not record |
| [07:45:19] | wagnerrp: | also, it does require your broadcaster to provide accurate EIT data |
| [07:45:29] | wagnerrp: | over here in the states, EIT is utter garbage |
| [07:45:33] | ** wagnerrp heads to bed ** | |
| [07:45:42] | Curly060: | ok, thats clear. if they don't, I am screwed obviously |
| [07:46:24] | Curly060: | but I guess I can still say: please record some extra minutes before and after? or if I do that, then mythtv won't use EIT data? |
| [07:46:43] | Curly060: | and good night to you :) |
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| [10:36:49] | paulgardiner: | jya: Hi. Are you here at the moment? |
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| [11:08:53] | jya: | paulgardiner: I am |
| [11:13:10] | paulgardiner: | If you have a moment: you added all sorts of audio passthrough features to mythtv. In 0.25 use of passthrough while transcoding has gotten broken. I partly fixed it. Gavin took a quick look at my patch, and thought that I'd ignored a case in the code I'd altered (it looked that way because I made it much smaller). I'm fairly sure I cover the case. Gavin said he'd have another look, but seems... |
| [11:13:11] | paulgardiner: | ...to have not found time. I wondered if you'd have a look. I'll dig out the ticket number |
| [11:14:12] | paulgardiner: | It's 10693 |
| [11:15:20] | jya: | paulgardiner: I'll have a look… I haven't checked since I added the passthrough optio |
| [11:15:21] | paulgardiner: | If I have messed up a case, I'm happy to put more effort into it, but I cannot see anthing I'm missing. |
| [11:15:34] | jya: | having said that, the passthrough , IRC is only active in fifo mode |
| [11:15:53] | paulgardiner: | jya: thanks. Ah right. It's only pasthrough I use. |
| [11:15:58] | jya: | i can't see how it could become broken to be honnest, it's so simple |
| [11:16:40] | jya: | I believe you had given me a sample test a while back on how to run ffmpeg and mythtranscode in fifo mode |
| [11:16:46] | jya: | could you email that to me again? |
| [11:16:58] | jya: | I may still have it… but so I don't waste time searching |
| [11:18:30] | paulgardiner: | jya: Sure. Actually the script I use is linked from the mythtranscode wiki page. |
| [11:19:32] | paulgardiner: | It got broken when AudioReencode buffer was completely rewritten. The number of frames is now always calculated from the number of bytes rather than using the num-frames passed in |
| [11:20:27] | paulgardiner: | My patch uses the frames passed in, but only in the case that the data isn't being regrouped into different sized blocks. |
| [11:20:47] | paulgardiner: | I also simplified the regrouping. |
| [11:21:38] | paulgardiner: | Here's the script url: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Example_Script_usi . . . fifodir_mode |
| [11:23:15] | jya: | right.. calculating from the size will never work for anything but raw pcm audio... |
| [11:23:29] | paulgardiner: | Exactly. |
| [11:24:19] | jya: | #10693 |
| [11:24:19] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10693 ** | |
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| [11:24:31] | paulgardiner: | I may not have fixed all cases. I hoped that regrouping being needed implied that the audio was being decoded and recoded. |
| [11:25:01] | jya: | you think Beirdo analysis of your patch was wrong ? |
| [11:25:59] | paulgardiner: | Yes. I explained that to him, and he said he'd have another look, but I guess he forgot or didn't find time. |
| [11:26:19] | jya: | He does dismiss things first, and look at it after :) |
| [11:26:29] | paulgardiner: | It looks like I've left out a case, because I simplified the regrouping a fair bit. |
| [11:26:49] | jya: | actally, you're going to loose necessary accuracy with this: |
| [11:26:50] | paulgardiner: | It's pretty impossible to see what I've done just from the patch. Needs to be applied really. |
| [11:26:57] | jya: | timecode += (frames / (m_eff_audiorate / 1000)); |
| [11:27:12] | jya: | better off doing (frames * 1000) / m_eff_audiorate; |
| [11:27:35] | jya: | and as this is an accumulated value, it only get worse over time |
| [11:27:42] | paulgardiner: | I noticed that, but I thought that the loss of accuracy was the same in the code I was replacing. |
| [11:27:52] | paulgardiner: | But ok. Let me think on that again. |
| [11:27:57] | jya: | doesn't mean it was right to start with :) |
| [11:28:04] | paulgardiner: | I'll have a look at that and get back in touch |
| [11:28:15] | jya: | the reason I noticed is that I had exactly that error in the main audio class |
| [11:28:50] | paulgardiner: | jya: If the accuacy was bad, but my patch is no worse I'd have though it was still worth taking on. |
| [11:29:30] | jya: | to be honest, I don't really care on how it was done before or not… only the final result matters. |
| [11:29:36] | paulgardiner: | Probably I should have a look though and not waste tyour time |
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| [11:30:22] | paulgardiner: | Ok. Maybe I can fix that as well. |
| [11:30:31] | jya: | I like patches that remove much more code than they add, yet works better |
| [11:30:51] | paulgardiner: | :-) Yes I was pleased with that at least |
| [11:31:23] | paulgardiner: | Took me 6 hours to understand the original algorithm. |
| [11:35:41] | paulgardiner: | Oh. I didn't catch all your comments. So do you think (frames * 1000) / m_eff_audiorate would regain the missing accuracy? So maybe the patch doesn't need much more work. |
| [11:36:02] | jya: | yes, because of how it's calculated |
| [11:36:18] | jya: | say your audio rate is 44100 |
| [11:36:27] | jya: | you are now always dividing by 44 |
| [11:36:38] | jya: | because 44100 / 1000 = 44 first |
| [11:36:56] | jya: | and you divide frames / 44 |
| [11:37:11] | jya: | say you have 2000 frames. |
| [11:37:18] | jya: | at 44.1kHz |
| [11:37:36] | jya: | 2000 / (44100 / 1000) = 45 |
| [11:37:54] | jya: | ok.. that's a bad example :) |
| [11:38:09] | jya: | in this case it's the same |
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| [11:39:27] | paulgardiner: | Yeah, I can see it can be better. Actually I can now remember wondering why it wasn't as you suggest. I kept it the other way in case there was a reason for it that I didn't understand. |
| [11:43:12] | jya: | ah I remember now |
| [11:43:19] | jya: | typical AAC broadcast |
| [11:43:27] | jya: | 352 frames |
| [11:43:39] | jya: | in one case it's 8m , the other 7ms |
| [11:44:56] | jya: | one of your kiwi friends complaining that A/V sync got crap over time |
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| [11:46:11] | paulgardiner_: | I fell off the internet for a moment then |
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| [11:48:13] | paulgardiner_: | Anyway, please let me know if there's anything more you want me to do to the patch. |
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| [11:49:41] | jya: | i dont have the time to look at it right now.. so whatever you feel is necessary, do it now… and later I'll go back to it |
| [11:51:00] | paulgardiner: | jya: ok thanks. So possibly just the change you mentioned? |
| [11:51:18] | jya: | i can't say… that all I saw from the pull request thread |
| [11:51:23] | jya: | not even looking at the patch itself |
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| [13:10:50] | jackson__: | so, as woot has the hdhomerun today, is anyone using it with myth? How have things panned out with premium services such as HBO? |
| [13:17:14] | wagnerrp: | wow, thats cheap |
| [13:18:28] | likwid-: | grr |
| [13:18:39] | likwid-: | jackson, no premiums at all with prime+mythtv |
| [13:19:05] | wagnerrp: | thats not at all true |
| [13:19:08] | wagnerrp: | it depends |
| [13:19:33] | wagnerrp: | specifically, on what your cable provider marks as copy freely |
| [13:19:36] | jackson__: | I should have said, the hdhomerun prime was on sale at woot. |
| [13:19:41] | wagnerrp: | could be everything, including premiums |
| [13:19:55] | wagnerrp: | could be completely nothing, making a Prime worthless |
| [13:20:35] | jackson__: | so, even with the cable card, myth doesn't comply with the end-to-end drm as windows media center does? |
| [13:21:42] | wagnerrp: | how could it? |
| [13:21:46] | wagnerrp: | its open source |
| [13:21:56] | wagnerrp: | open source applications can never implement DRM in good faith |
| [13:22:39] | jackson__: | I just desired to confirm that that indeed was the issue. |
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| [14:19:24] | ** Captain_Murdoch ponders whether to mention that woot.com has the HDHomeRun Prime for $129.99 ** | |
| [14:19:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | oops. :) |
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| [14:26:32] | wagnerrp: | jya: still up? |
| [14:26:43] | jya: | for a short while yes |
| [14:26:58] | wagnerrp: | might want to check out #10749 |
| [14:26:58] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10749 ** | |
| [14:27:15] | wagnerrp: | i closed it since as far as i can tell, the video is simply too taxing for his system to handle |
| [14:27:48] | wagnerrp: | either that, or its a user configuration error, using a playback profile with too intense a deinterlacer (2x greedy) |
| [14:27:50] | jya: | is that the same issue you mentioend the care 2 duo could have never decoded it properly ? |
| [14:28:01] | wagnerrp: | but the user claims you requested he open a ticket |
| [14:28:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [14:28:10] | jya: | ah yes that's the one |
| [14:28:15] | jya: | well, he said it worked fine in 0.24 |
| [14:28:21] | jya: | so I wanted to have a look |
| [14:28:26] | wagnerrp: | right, best i can think of is playback profiles |
| [14:28:39] | jya: | it was my first reaction that the 2.4GHz C2D on the mac mini could have never possibly worked |
| [14:28:43] | jya: | however... |
| [14:28:49] | jya: | (there's always a however) |
| [14:29:01] | jya: | he may have used VDA in the past without knowing it |
| [14:29:04] | wagnerrp: | he was using one that got deleted, and reverted to something his system couldnt handle |
| [14:29:17] | fryguy: | hdhomerune prime on woot today if anybody is looking for a cheap cablecard tuner |
| [14:29:21] | wagnerrp: | (^^^ supposition) |
| [14:29:23] | jya: | and in 0.25; I've disabled VDA when the content is interlaced as it can badly crash the VDA decoder |
| [14:29:31] | wagnerrp: | ah, that could do it |
| [14:30:10] | jya: | so I could re-enable VDA for interlaced cntent, but with some media, you would then get massive kernel panic (like some media from BBC-HD) |
| [14:30:30] | jya: | espeically on the mac mini with a nvidia GPU |
| [14:30:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | fryguy, and at $20 less than what their email stated. |
| [14:30:37] | jya: | they give the worse type of crash |
| [14:31:01] | wagnerrp: | OSX? crash? nonsense... thats only something PCs do... :P |
| [14:31:23] | jya: | wagnerrp: I'm going to build a 0.25 frontend for macos with the interlace check disable in the VDA code |
| [14:31:32] | jya: | and will see if that does it for him |
| [14:32:06] | wagnerrp: | ok, just forwarding it to you in case you wanted to do something with it, since he mentioned you were previously involved |
| [14:32:18] | jya: | if that's the case, I could create an override environment variable that would let the VDA play interlaced content |
| [14:32:20] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, i was just going to leave it as is |
| [14:32:24] | jya: | ok |
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| [14:41:28] | wagnerrp: | jya: i re-opened it, and assigned it to you, with a mention of the likely VDA issue |
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| [14:47:20] | gilson585: | anyone else getting mythcommflag segfaults on master? |
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| [14:48:46] | wagnerrp: | need a backtrace |
| [14:49:14] | gilson585: | building with debug symbols as we speak |
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| [14:50:45] | swifty: | Hi, I am trying to use MythTV 0.25 on Ubuntu 12.04 with a Hauppauge HD-PVR and I'm having an issue when trying to start live tv (error seems to start from; LocalFilePath unable to find local path for 'none') – the HD-PVR light flashes on / off 3 times then I just hear some audio from the source, and get a green screen (no video) – my MythBackend.log is here; http://pastebin.com/LAtuPFCE |
| [14:51:32] | swifty: | Could anyone shed some light on what the localfilepath 'none' is and if that could be the reason why it's failing later in the log to set the bitrate (says bad file descriptor) |
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| [14:53:48] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt look quite right.... |
| [14:53:54] | wagnerrp: | what kind of tuner did you add this as? |
| [14:54:14] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup |
| [14:58:11] | wagnerrp: | swifty: ^^^^ |
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| [14:59:46] | swifty: | There was an option called Hauppauge HD-PVR (along those lines) so I chose that one |
| [15:00:24] | swifty: | I basically followed the 'configuring myth' bit from here; http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [15:00:40] | wagnerrp: | ok, just seems odd that it calls out V4L, and PAL |
| [15:00:48] | wagnerrp: | i would not have expected either to apply to an HDPVR |
| [15:01:37] | swifty: | I changed my video standard to PAL from NTSC in the general settings, if that matters (my standard is PAL though) |
| [15:02:39] | wagnerrp: | neither are relevant, since its component video |
| [15:02:59] | wagnerrp: | NTSC and PAL are standard definition, interlaced formats |
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| [15:08:42] | gilson585: | http://pastebin.com/vGn9gn9z |
| [15:10:09] | swifty: | Yeh I guessed as much, but I have a Sat tuner to add at a later date (if I can get the HD-PVR working OK) so figured I'd set it while configuring everything else :) |
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| [15:15:04] | jya: | wagnerrp: I've replied, compiled a version with that patch, and push the patch while at it, so the sourceforge folks can get a version |
| [15:15:11] | sphery: | gilson585: what revision of master? the line referenced makes no sense compared to current code. There was just a pretty big change to that code, and I think you must be using a version from before that change |
| [15:15:24] | gilson585: | im hoping thats useful and done right, instead of debugging the whole backend i used gdb to run mythcommflag with args -f /mnt/disk4/mythtv/recordings/5081_20120523195800.mpg --method all -v all --loglevel debug |
| [15:15:27] | jya: | failrly certain it's the only reason a 0.25 build would show a different level of performance than 0.24 |
| [15:16:18] | gilson585: | master [v0.26-pre-371-g9b3d59c] |
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| [15:19:06] | wagnerrp: | replied to the ticket? |
| [15:20:08] | sphery: | gilson585: hehe, ok, so that's new code |
| [15:21:09] | gilson585: | lol yea not recommended for daily use |
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| [15:22:48] | gilson585: | i've never used gdb b4 so feel free to smack me down if i used it incorrectly |
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| [15:24:01] | sphery: | no, it's a good backtrace (and it actually even shows me that the line that didn't make sense is at fault) |
| [15:27:54] | gilson585: | cool so you can fix it? glad i could bring this to the devs attn. if it makes any diff i used ./configure --enable-proc-opt --compile-type=debug |
| [15:28:19] | sphery: | jya: any thoughts on gilson585 's mythcommflag crash: http://pastebin.com/vGn9gn9z with master/9b3d59c at AvFormatDecoder::ScanStreams() line 2183 = QString(ic->iformat->name).contains("matroska") |
| [15:28:36] | jya: | on master? |
| [15:28:44] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:28:53] | jya: | we're talking about it right now on #mythtv with stichnot |
| [15:29:00] | sphery: | ic->iformat->name is null, but haven't any proof |
| [15:29:03] | jya: | regression introduced in the ffmpeg resync |
| [15:29:16] | jya: | theres two problems |
| [15:29:19] | sphery: | ah, cool... I'll leave it to you guys, then, since you know the player better |
| [15:29:26] | jya: | ic is null and the case for ic being nulled isn't handled |
| [15:29:28] | gilson585: | figured it might be that as it happened following that change |
| [15:29:36] | jya: | and why it's null is another story |
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| [15:30:11] | sphery: | yeah, at first glance, I'm not seeing any glaring reasons why it would be null |
| [15:30:37] | sphery: | but then again, I don't know my ffmpeg, so I'm sure I'm missing much :) |
| [15:30:42] | sphery: | thanks for looking, though |
| [15:31:23] | gilson585: | i had a warning for some mmx thing related to ffmpeg during compile |
| [15:32:55] | jya: | gilson585: try this patch: http://pastebin.com/70jHHNus |
| [15:34:28] | gilson585: | ok will post back results |
| [15:36:28] | devinheitmueller: | brfransen: fyi: more progress made on the HVR-1800 issue last night. |
| [15:36:40] | swifty: | wagnerrp: is there anything else I can do to provide more detailed logs / help to troubleshoot my issue with the hd pvr ? |
| [15:37:35] | devinheitmueller: | Isn't the mythtv-users mailing list full of people complaining about LiveTV being broken with the HD-PVR? |
| [15:37:52] | devinheitmueller: | (presumably as a result of the 0.25 upgrade) |
| [15:37:54] | gilson585: | i use git gui, how do i merge that file into my copy of mythtv |
| [15:39:27] | brfransen: | devinheitmueller: I just read your post. It seem there are bugs covering bugs. |
| [15:39:36] | devinheitmueller: | brfransen: yup, seems that way. |
| [15:39:40] | devinheitmueller: | not uncommon though. |
| [15:39:48] | devinheitmueller: | The more you look, the more you find. :-) |
| [15:40:26] | swifty: | devinheitmueller: ah I didn't know that :) |
| [15:40:54] | swifty: | I searched for the error I'm hitting today but didn't get much back, I guess I'm searching for the wrong thing! :) |
| [15:41:31] | gilson585: | nvm lol got it |
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| [15:42:11] | devinheitmueller: | swifty: seems like there were livetv issues in general. You should definitely make sure you are running the latest updates. |
| [15:42:50] | swifty: | updates for mythtv do you mean? or the latest firmware for the hd-pvr (I have that already) |
| [15:43:05] | devinheitmueller: | swifty: mythtv. |
| [15:43:23] | devinheitmueller: | The livetv problems were not specific to the hd-pvr. |
| [15:43:25] | swifty: | as for myth, I used the standard 0.25 package from ubuntu 12.04 – is there a ppa with newer builds than that ? |
| [15:43:36] | devinheitmueller: | (although I do see threads on the list which talk about hd-pvr livetv issues) |
| [15:43:44] | devinheitmueller: | Beats the h**l out of me. Ask wagnerrp |
| [15:44:17] | wagnerrp: | me? |
| [15:44:23] | swifty: | ah ok, got you. I will have to check, when the standard ubuntu package was made. hopefully there are some newer ones out there :) |
| [15:44:36] | gilson585: | git apply 70jHHNus.txt |
| [15:44:36] | gilson585: | fatal: corrupt patch at line 204 |
| [15:44:36] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu's ppa is updated daily |
| [15:44:54] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, most of the time, yes |
| [15:44:58] | tgm4883: | currently that is disabled |
| [15:45:26] | swifty: | great, thanks for the help guys – I will try and get myth updated in the first instance and see if that helps |
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| [15:50:24] | CiaranG: | wagnerrp: Where is mythvidexport.py supposed to log to under 0.25? |
| [15:50:57] | wagnerrp: | where ever you told it to |
| [15:51:11] | wagnerrp: | it takes the same logging parameters as the rest of mythtv |
| [15:52:19] | CiaranG: | Hmm, ok. Well I haven't told it explicity, but everything else mythtv related is in /var/log/mythtv – mythvidexport.py seems to log to nowhere |
| [15:52:25] | CiaranG: | Maybe I have something configured wrong somewhere |
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| [15:53:22] | CiaranG: | Anyway, I was just trying this: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/commit/myt . . . 0779aceb2b7d |
| [15:53:22] | wagnerrp: | use %VERBOSEMODE% on the command line to have the jobqueue pass the necessary settings through |
| [15:54:04] | CiaranG: | I still end up here: File "/home/ciaran/mythtv-scripts/python/mythvidexport.py", line 139, in get_meta |
| [15:54:04] | CiaranG: | metadata = self.rec.exportMetadata() |
| [15:54:04] | CiaranG: | File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/MythTV/dataheap.py", line 443, in exportMetadata |
| [15:54:04] | CiaranG: | art = getattr(self.artwork, arttype) |
| [15:54:04] | CiaranG: | File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/MythTV/dataheap.py", line 315, in artwork |
| [15:54:05] | CiaranG: | raise MythError("Recorded cannot have artwork without inetref") |
| [15:54:42] | wagnerrp: | odd... that should only be getting run IF the recording has an inetref |
| [15:55:46] | CiaranG: | (I do have %VERBOSEMODE% in the user job definition, and it is passing the relevant parameters, it's just not logging – no worries though, I can figure that one out) |
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| [15:56:30] | wagnerrp: | specifically what parameters is it passing? |
| [15:56:40] | wagnerrp: | backend logs should tell you |
| [15:59:06] | CiaranG: | --listingonly --delete --verbose general --loglevel info --syslog local7 |
| [15:59:12] | CiaranG: | (plus the job id obviously) |
| [15:59:35] | wagnerrp: | then assuming something is wrong with the syslog filtering, or the syslog logging in the bindings |
| [15:59:44] | wagnerrp: | you should still have the database logs to skim through |
| [15:59:52] | CiaranG: | Interestingly, I have just dropped the --listingonly option, and now the export that just failed has succeeded. I think that's a fix as a result of the your commit I just linked to, because it didn't work with or without before |
| [15:59:55] | sphery: | gilson585: based on discussion in #mythtv, it sounds like the patch doesn't fix it... you may want to lurk in #mythtv , as they're working on that (or just wait and watch for a commit that says it fixes it) |
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| [16:00:31] | gilson585: | i just couldnt get it to merge locally is all |
| [16:00:47] | wagnerrp: | oh, --listingonly... |
| [16:00:49] | sphery: | gilson585: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2012-05-24 if you want to read any backlog (but the summary is, "still lookign for the cause/fix" :) |
| [16:01:15] | wagnerrp: | so youre forcing it that route, rather than letting it decide to do so on its own |
| [16:01:52] | wagnerrp: | ill need to catch that error then for that scenario... |
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| [16:19:52] | sphery: | weird... I got a new HDD from newegg, and the packing list has someone else's name/address on it |
| [16:20:12] | gilson585: | lol thats hilarious |
| [16:20:29] | sphery: | wonder if Steven got my name/address on his? |
| [16:21:29] | gilson585: | prolly |
| [16:21:39] | sphery: | at least Steven also ordered the Samsung SpinPoint F4 HD204UI 2TB HDD |
| [16:22:08] | sphery: | wonder if his was for a MythTV box, too |
| [16:22:35] | gilson585: | i wanna 2tb hdd, i have like 5 hdds in mine that total out to 600gb |
| [16:23:44] | sphery: | wow, I'd be so squeezed with that |
| [16:24:28] | gilson585: | yea and to think i have a bunch of blurays on it leaving just 120gb for recordings ha |
| [16:25:17] | sphery: | I lost a 2TB (taking me from 12.5TB to 10.5) about 6 months ago, and decided to finally get a replacement because a) prices are again below $100/2TB and b) I only had 1TB free |
| [16:25:32] | sphery: | the 1TB free makes me anxious :) |
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| [16:25:58] | sphery: | wow, 120gb for recordings... that's like an EP VHS tape :) |
| [16:26:43] | gilson585: | lmao, come on now its good for like 40 recordings, some sd some hd, some 1hr some 30mins |
| [16:27:50] | sphery: | hehe... I generally record every new (non-reality) series on TV each season, then wait to watch any of them until I see what cancels and what people say is good/bad |
| [16:28:08] | sphery: | so, generally, don't watch anything during the current season |
| [16:28:21] | gilson585: | wow thats cheating lol |
| [16:30:12] | sphery: | hehe, I became a jaded TV viewer by getting invested in some of the mediocre fare they've aired only to have it cancelled after an ep or 2... Now, I get to decide whether to watch with the benefit of knowing the fate (and knowing not to get too invested) of the series in many cases |
| [16:31:20] | gilson585: | i know but for example breaking in was good but its not on anymore |
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| [16:40:42] | sphery: | yeah, I did watch breaking in--even though I knew it was cancelled (before I knew it got brought back)... I make a judgment call based on how interesting the concept is--but at least knowing that it's been cancelled, I know not to get too invested |
| [16:41:35] | gilson585: | true |
| [16:41:58] | ** sphery considers changing the name of "Storage Groups" to "List of a bunch of different directories" ** | |
| [16:42:14] | sphery: | (so people will finally figure out that a directory is /not/ a "Storage Group") |
| [16:43:10] | gilson585: | lawl gl |
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| [16:47:51] | gilson585: | sudo mythbackend |
| [16:47:55] | gilson585: | whoops |
| [16:53:31] | wagnerrp: | why would you be running mythbackend as root? |
| [16:54:36] | gilson585: | ok after the latest commit mythcommflag no longer segfaults but it finishes w/o doing much of anything literally |
| [16:55:37] | gilson585: | yea i know its wrong todo |
| [16:58:18] | gilson585: | it was the only way i could get realtime priority on the backend to keep other threads from potentially using all the cpu and corrupting recordings |
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| [17:10:08] | gilson585: | i'm sure there is a more elegant and proper solution but it works for me w/o a hitch and security is not a concern. root is a member of the required groups to make myth work happily and i dont have permission issues so i see no problem with it in my case alone |
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| [17:27:17] | wagnerrp: | if you need to run realtime priority on mythbackend, you need a better CPU |
| [17:29:55] | earthw0rm: | If I have a dual tuner card, do I need to make mythtv-setup entries once or twice? |
| [17:29:58] | gilson585: | or stop trying to author and/or copy blurays whilst recording a multitude of recordings all at once lol |
| [17:30:29] | wagnerrp: | authoring or burning? |
| [17:30:58] | wagnerrp: | no reason authoring cant be done at low priority to an ISO |
| [17:31:31] | gilson585: | authoring, burning doesnt consume much cpu time, yea i kno |
| [17:31:36] | wagnerrp: | and if burning is going to cause problems with recording, youve either got configuration issues, or just need a less wimpy system |
| [17:31:49] | wagnerrp: | burning doesnt use much cpu, but it needs a lot of IO |
| [17:32:11] | gilson585: | my main problem was with makemkv |
| [17:32:21] | wagnerrp: | however less so now that burners are capable of recovering from a buffer stall |
| [17:34:12] | gilson585: | i have an athlon x2 940 with 4gb of mem but for some reason when i ran makemkv on a bluray while watching and recording tv it nearly halted the system and it took 15mins to kill it |
| [17:34:52] | wagnerrp: | could be funky disk controller issues |
| [17:35:34] | gilson585: | yea idk but look at this http://pastebin.com/KkUUqRw7 |
| [17:40:18] | gilson585: | it was segfaulting but now after the latest commit it cant open the codec |
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| [18:07:19] | earthw0rm: | I'm finding that the EPG doesn't have any program details for some channels, but then if I tune in to that channel, and press program info, the details are actually |
| [18:07:37] | earthw0rm: | there, and this is from the over the guide |
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| [18:12:38] | sphery: | earthw0rm: did you enable active eit scanning? |
| [18:12:56] | wagnerrp: | i thought you were in NA anyway |
| [18:13:00] | wagnerrp: | meaning schedules direct |
| [18:13:00] | sphery: | if not, try it... without, you only get eit when mythtv is recording something, and only from the channel that's recording |
| [18:13:39] | sphery: | or, if in North America, it's probably just that the channel doesn't actually provide any useful EIT, and when you tune to that channel you only see the now/next info |
| [18:13:50] | earthw0rm: | sphery: it seems pretty random which channels I'm getting info for |
| [18:13:59] | sphery: | (meaning, as wagnerrp mentioned, you should use a real listings source--Schedules Direct) |
| [18:14:32] | earthw0rm: | All this works fine on PlayTV on the PS3, so I know there is meaningful info |
| [18:14:43] | sphery: | murphx.net seems to be UK, so I'm guessing you're not North America |
| [18:14:50] | sphery: | in which case, turn on active EIT scanning |
| [18:14:56] | earthw0rm: | I'm in the UK mate |
| [18:15:21] | earthw0rm: | Active EIT scanning, right, where abouts is that set? |
| [18:16:03] | wagnerrp: | try radiotimes then? |
| [18:16:13] | sphery: | Use DVB card for active EIT scan: If enabled, activate active scanning for program data (EIT). When this option is enabled the DVB card is constantly in-use. |
| [18:16:31] | sphery: | in mythtv-setup... I'm assuming under Capture Cards (on each card) |
| [18:18:14] | earthw0rm: | wagnerrp: I did try that before now, thinking that it might be better info (more detail) but I got nowhere with it |
| [18:19:16] | sphery: | earthw0rm: yeah, for UK, you'd need to use tv_grab_uk_rt or something (that would be Radio Times data) |
| [18:21:35] | earthw0rm: | sphery: When you say it's always in use, does that mean it'll block the card or something daft, or just that it won't "idle" |
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| [18:25:09] | sphery: | earthw0rm: it will never idle because it's always "recording" the EIT data |
| [18:25:31] | sphery: | because only one app can use the device at a time, that means it will be "blocked" from use by other apps |
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| [18:26:05] | earthw0rm: | sphery: As is, things other than mythtv? |
| [18:26:05] | sphery: | (where, really, MythTV does not support the idea of other applications using MythTV capture cards without permission--you have to ask MythTV to give you a card if you need to use it elsewhere) |
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| [18:26:15] | sphery: | right |
| [18:26:20] | sphery: | only MythTV will be able to use it |
| [18:26:23] | sphery: | I see what you're asking now |
| [18:26:25] | earthw0rm: | That's fine, nothing else will be using it |
| [18:26:33] | sphery: | but MythTV will still be able to record shows with it |
| [18:26:42] | earthw0rm: | Great stuff |
| [18:26:45] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:27:01] | sphery: | was that disabled on all your cards? |
| [18:27:07] | sphery: | if so, that's probably why you were missing data |
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| [18:27:13] | earthw0rm: | Not in there just yet, let's have a go |
| [18:27:20] | sphery: | ok |
| [18:28:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: how about, "Storage Group, which is not a directory" for the new name for Storage Group? |
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| [18:28:46] | earthw0rm: | Use DVB card for active EIT scan is ticked |
| [18:28:48] | earthw0rm: | Bugger |
| [18:29:03] | sphery: | not sure what it could be then |
| [18:29:10] | sphery: | probably best off asking other UKers |
| [18:29:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did you see the pastebin last night about scheduler run times? |
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| [18:29:26] | sphery: | (where you'll likely get more eyes on if you ask on mythtv-users mailing list) |
| [18:29:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah... interesting |
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| [18:39:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: your state redeems itself |
| [18:40:03] | wagnerrp: | man was ticketed in seminole county for flashing lights at other motorists to warn of speed trap |
| [18:40:32] | wagnerrp: | judge dismisses ticket, claiming it infringes on first amendment rights |
| [18:42:34] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [18:46:11] | devinheitmueller: | Seems like some people cannot appreciate that capturing HD from gaming consoles is *way* easier than capturing from settop boxes. |
| [18:46:55] | wagnerrp: | s/gaming consoles/xbox360/ |
| [18:47:12] | wagnerrp: | fixed that for you |
| [18:47:29] | devinheitmueller: | There are plenty of people capturing from PS3s as well. |
| [18:47:35] | sphery: | you could just sign up for XBox Live, then use XBox Live Marketplace to buy the TV shows you want to watch, then use the device to capture the HDMI output from the XBox |
| [18:47:36] | wagnerrp: | using analog, sure |
| [18:48:07] | wagnerrp: | PS3 will not function using any HDMI device that does not do HDCP |
| [18:48:12] | devinheitmueller: | Both HDMI and component are a *huge* PITA to capture from with settop boxes compared to game consoles. |
| [18:48:41] | devinheitmueller: | There's a reason that it took years for the HD-PVR to work properly with all the different cable boxes and satellite receivers out there. |
| [18:48:53] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [18:49:17] | devinheitmueller: | Things like resolution changes and signal dropouts that occur when changing channels causes all sorts of issues with encoders. |
| [18:49:35] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [18:49:49] | devinheitmueller: | A channel change occurs which causes video to drop out for 50 ms, but audio keeps being sent, and now the two are out of sync. |
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| [18:50:53] | devinheitmueller: | Or the resolution shifts from 720p to 1080i and it takes 200ms for the video decoder chip to notify the encoder. |
| [18:51:15] | devinheitmueller: | All sorts of nastiness that you don't have when you're getting a single consistent signal from a game console. |
| [18:51:56] | devinheitmueller: | But as consumers, we just expect this stuff to work. After all, the connectors on the cables match up, right? |
| [18:53:14] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a bit of a nerve there |
| [18:53:20] | devinheitmueller: | ;-) |
| [18:54:22] | devinheitmueller: | I would just suggest thinking twice before trying to record actual television with a device designed for the gaming market. |
| [18:56:21] | wagnerrp: | what about the HDPVR gaming edition? |
| [18:56:52] | devinheitmueller: | Well, that was designed for TV, and adapted for gaming after-the-fact. The firmware has already been vetted for capturing TV. |
| [18:57:06] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [18:57:12] | devinheitmueller: | I'm actually serious. |
| [18:57:40] | devinheitmueller: | The products that people are looking at now were designed for the gaming market, and have probably had absolutely no testing with cable boxes or satellite receivers. |
| [18:57:41] | wagnerrp: | i know, i asked you about it earlier and you said the only real difference as a different LED and set of bundled cables |
| [18:57:51] | devinheitmueller: | yup. |
| [18:58:18] | wagnerrp: | now when my PS3 flips between menu and game |
| [18:58:28] | wagnerrp: | it has a brief amount of static on audio and video |
| [18:58:29] | devinheitmueller: | I sound biased of course, but how much testing/debugging the firmware has gone through with real cable boxes and satellite receivers is very relevant to how well it will work. |
| [18:58:30] | wagnerrp: | both HDMI |
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| [18:58:38] | wagnerrp: | thats not going to cause similar issues? |
| [18:59:09] | devinheitmueller: | Depends on the nature of the dropout, the design of the receiving hardware, and whether it was both audio and video or just one of them. |
| [18:59:29] | devinheitmueller: | Also, whether it's really a signal dropout, or just renegotiating HDMI. |
| [18:59:48] | wagnerrp: | well i hear static through the speakers, and there "analog style" static on the screen |
| [18:59:58] | wagnerrp: | but that could just be an artifact of my oldish TV trying to deal with it |
| [19:00:04] | devinheitmueller: | Is this with component or HDMI? |
| [19:00:24] | wagnerrp: | HDMI |
| [19:00:26] | devinheitmueller: | (because I can think of no possible scenario where you would see static on HDMI) |
| [19:00:27] | devinheitmueller: | Wow. |
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| [19:00:42] | devinheitmueller: | That sounds like your TV is just dumb. :-) |
| [19:01:02] | wagnerrp: | its an older samsung, if you are aware of them being known to do stupid things |
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| [19:02:04] | earthw0rm: | sphery: Sussed it out, there were duplicate channels for some channels, like BBC2, and they were both set to Channel 2, I hid one of them and the other then was visible in the EPG, with program info |
| [19:02:23] | earthw0rm: | So the other channels must be from another transmitter, too weak to get the EIT from? |
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| [19:04:44] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: it literally appears as if i was using an analog input, and pulled the cables out |
| [19:04:52] | wagnerrp: | except its HDMI |
| [19:05:07] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why it might do such |
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| [20:20:16] | earthw0rm: | Another question lads, does anyone else find the EPG ends up left above and below the TV picture when you choose a channel? |
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| [20:34:50] | earthw0rm: | I'm on about the letterbox around the picture, which I'd expect to be black not full of EPG left overs |
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| [20:53:25] | skd5aner: | just to brag about the customer service woot has related to the HDHR prime deal going on today – http://www.woot.com/Forums/viewpost.aspx?Post . . . #post5016546 |
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| [20:58:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | the price lowering? between this sale, their recent dual-tuner non-prime sale, and my switching to comcast when I move, I should be getting rid of all my pci based tuners (2x air2pc ATSC and 3x AverMedia M179 analog) |
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| [21:03:49] | skd5aner: | Captain_Murdoch: yea... heh – I have 2 air2pc cards too (the HD5000 ones) |
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| [21:04:34] | skd5aner: | Captain_Murdoch: also, I'll likely be moving to a comcast area too in a few months, which is why I snatched one up :) |
| [21:09:17] | skd5aner: | Honestly though, the price per tuner at the sale price of the prime ($45/tuner) to the current price of the ceton on amazon ($49.75/tuner) isn't that great – if you would like the extra tuner, you are only paying about a $20 premium |
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| [22:15:26] | Twiggy2cents: | cd #fedora |
| [22:15:36] | Twiggy2cents: | oops I think I mixed up the commands a little |
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| [22:40:55] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: RICOLA!!! |
| [22:44:42] | Beirdo: | ? |
| [22:47:03] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: have you ever thought about allowing nuvexport to leverage a cutlist to output multiple clips (aka, each segment would be it's own video file)? |
| [22:47:22] | Beirdo: | it's crossed the mind |
| [22:47:58] | Beirdo: | that would require adding support in mythtranscode to only output between cut x and cut y |
| [22:47:59] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I could see a lot of uses for it – right now I usually will save the occasional SNL sketch, and typically save them individually, so that recurring sketches can go together in a folder... |
| [22:48:35] | skd5aner: | but it's a major pain to go in and set up a cutlist for that segment, export, clear cutlist, make new cutlist, repeat |
| [22:49:08] | skd5aner: | well – I was just curious if it was on your radar and/or todo list I guess |
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