| Thursday, May 17th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:21] | jya: | dekarl: that looks like it… thanks ! |
| [00:01:24] | jya: | dekarl: except it's an audio only stream |
| [00:01:47] | jya: | cool, VLC can't play it, myth can :) |
| [00:02:56] | jya: | ah no.. it's just VLC playing only audio |
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| [00:05:22] | UForgotten: | howdy all. I got an hdhomerun and I'm a little confused on the channel matching process |
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| [00:05:30] | UForgotten: | in the Scte65scan wiki page I'm not following what they mean by do the connections. I feel like someone is telling me to do the needful. |
| [00:05:38] | UForgotten: | from mythtv-setup I did a full channel scan and then it added the channels but it never gave me a chance to try to merge them with the listings provider. The wiki references older stuff so I didnt know if that has changed or not in 0.25 |
| [00:06:48] | UForgotten: | and also it detected 4 tuners instead of 2, so I must have done something odd. |
| [00:06:54] | wagnerrp: | isnt scte65scan supposed to scan for you? |
| [00:07:20] | UForgotten: | thats my confusion |
| [00:07:23] | tgm4883: | IIRC it makes a channels.conf for you |
| [00:07:26] | UForgotten: | I should not need scte anymore right? |
| [00:07:27] | wagnerrp: | rather, not scan, but pull the necessary information out of the virtual mapping table? |
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| [00:07:34] | tgm4883: | I haven't set mine in quite a while |
| [00:07:50] | wagnerrp: | is this a hdhomerun? or prime? |
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| [00:08:08] | UForgotten: | hdhomerun. qam only. like 35 channels |
| [00:08:28] | wagnerrp: | does your provider use those little mini-boxes? |
| [00:08:55] | UForgotten: | only if you ask for them. and they dont get the encrypted chans |
| [00:09:20] | wagnerrp: | scte65scan only works in cases where those devices are available |
| [00:09:34] | wagnerrp: | as normal cable boxes pull the VCT through their out-of-band table |
| [00:10:30] | UForgotten: | so what I guess I'm asking is what the next step is after adding the channels that the channel scan found. I have to figure out what their xmltvid's are and manually map them somehow?or what? I'm lost. |
| [00:11:00] | UForgotten: | it is all pretty jacked up. I may nuke it all and start over now that the mythfilldatabase doesn't atke 7 hours anymore :) |
| [00:11:48] | wagnerrp: | if you have the virtual mapping, then your channel numbers should be aligned to what would be in your digital cable lineup on schedules direct |
| [00:12:05] | wagnerrp: | and so they should all line up automagically without needing to manually set xmltv ids |
| [00:12:16] | UForgotten: | not sure what you mean by virtual mapping |
| [00:12:32] | UForgotten: | they also dont show up in mythweb |
| [00:13:04] | wagnerrp: | digital channels are a physical channel and a channel id |
| [00:13:16] | wagnerrp: | as each physical channel, or multiplex, can carry multiple logical channels |
| [00:13:27] | UForgotten: | yes, and they do. not all of them carry that info tho |
| [00:13:32] | wagnerrp: | but cable still continues to use the single channel to identify their channels |
| [00:13:39] | wagnerrp: | thats the virtual channel mapping |
| [00:13:40] | UForgotten: | I think I will have to manually map them somehow. |
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| [00:25:34] | Cueball: | Hey. I have a WinTV PVR 500 and I'm having trouble getting it setup in MythTV under MythBuntu. Could anyone point me in the right direction? The card only shows up in MPEG-2 Encoder card section. |
| [00:26:20] | wagnerrp: | ok? it is an mpeg-2 encode card, so why is that a problem? |
| [00:26:28] | tgm4883: | lol |
| [00:26:57] | Cueball: | Is this the correct way to set it up as a TV tuner? |
| [00:27:17] | wagnerrp: | your specific tuner, yes |
| [00:28:23] | Cueball: | Ok. In my mind I seen that as it just being the composite inputs and not the tuner. I did try setting it up with that earlier and when doing a scan I got LOCKED on all the scanned channels. |
| [00:28:40] | UForgotten: | if I nuke and start over what is the correct way to set up the hdhomerun? Channel scan in mythtv-setup then what? |
| [00:28:50] | wagnerrp: | you add the card with /dev/video0 and /dev/video1, as mpeg2 encoder cards |
| [00:28:54] | Cueball: | I am a noob to v4l and capture but not a noob to Linux |
| [00:29:05] | wagnerrp: | those devices are further split into their various inputs through the input connections |
| [00:29:30] | wagnerrp: | after adding the two cards (there are two on that one physical card), you can go into input connections and see he various inputs |
| [00:29:34] | Cueball: | wagnerrp: Ok Thanks. So is it normal for the scan to show LOCKED? |
| [00:30:02] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, ive never scanned an analog tuner in mythtv |
| [00:30:38] | Cueball: | Is this only an analoge tuner? As in not DVB (Freeview UK)) |
| [00:31:11] | wagnerrp: | yes, the PVR-500 is analog only |
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| [00:34:06] | Cueball: | wagnerrp: Can you recommend a good DVB card pleae? |
| [00:34:58] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [00:35:01] | wagnerrp: | we dont use them over here |
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| [00:47:37] | UForgotten: | so this is where I'm getting confused |
| [00:48:14] | UForgotten: | it wants a non-unique channel number? |
| [00:48:45] | UForgotten: | I can share a listings source between two devices that have overlapping channel sets right? |
| [00:49:13] | UForgotten: | I guess it would help to see more walkthroughs with multiple tuners/sources |
| [00:49:39] | wagnerrp: | not overlapping, identical |
| [00:49:54] | wagnerrp: | erm... listings source, not source |
| [00:50:00] | wagnerrp: | thats actually a bit tricky |
| [00:50:08] | wagnerrp: | digital devices, yes |
| [00:50:47] | wagnerrp: | analog devices, default behavior is to synchronize the analog lineup, which would need to be disabled if you were using one for multiple |
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| [00:52:40] | UForgotten: | so here's the problem. I have an hdpvr which can tune the cable box via ir to most channels in the video source channel lineup. Then I have the hdhr which has two tunerrs but they get 35 or so channels, on different channel numbers but match up to this small subset of channels on that same video/listings source |
| [00:53:47] | UForgotten: | when I scan for channels, it wants to assign arbitraty channel numbers to the channels it found. I am trying to figure out how to link them in the possible absence of the virtual channel number idea |
| [00:54:41] | UForgotten: | what concerns me is that in the channel editor I dont see where it differentiates what tuners can/can't see the channel. |
| [00:56:17] | UForgotten: | and I can't see what they are to be able to label them. it's not even filling in callsign and there is no virtual channel vield, only xmltvid |
| [00:56:22] | wagnerrp: | thats what the video source is for |
| [00:56:38] | wagnerrp: | all channels on a video source must be accessible by all tuners connected to that video source |
| [00:57:40] | UForgotten: | ok, that makes a little more sense, but that means there's going to be a lot of wasted data |
| [00:58:00] | UForgotten: | i.e. loading in 700 channels twice from the lineup where one tuner can only get 35 of the channels |
| [00:58:17] | UForgotten: | or basically two sources with the same lineup of listings |
| [00:58:22] | UForgotten: | with different channel mappings |
| [00:58:48] | wagnerrp: | so use two sources |
| [00:59:00] | wagnerrp: | lineups |
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| [00:59:46] | UForgotten: | they dont make a lineup that has the channels I'll be getting on the smaller subset |
| [00:59:54] | UForgotten: | they are in the larger lineup. |
| [01:00:06] | wagnerrp: | so filter it manually |
| [01:00:10] | wagnerrp: | you can uncheck individual channels |
| [01:00:17] | wagnerrp: | or you can uncheck whole blocks at once |
| [01:00:33] | UForgotten: | in schedulesdirect you mean? hmm, I'll have to play with that. |
| [01:02:12] | wagnerrp: | one question left... |
| [01:07:42] | wagnerrp: | as in... in this sequence of questions, there is one left you have not yet asked |
| [01:12:47] | UForgotten: | that is how do I link the channels it finds in the scan to the ones in the listings |
| [01:13:59] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct only allows one instance of a lineup in an account, how do i have two separate edits of the lineup for the two sources |
| [01:14:12] | wagnerrp: | .... use a lineup from the next ZIP code over |
| [01:14:32] | UForgotten: | heh. |
| [01:15:20] | UForgotten: | ok. I'm still lost on the right way to add channels, as I didn't have todo it for my pvr, channels are mapped correctly from the video source listings |
| [01:16:48] | wagnerrp: | wow, dithering artifacts on my monitor.... |
| [01:17:10] | wagnerrp: | im age is causing a blinking red pixel |
| [01:17:30] | wagnerrp: | but its not a dead pixel, since i move it elsewhere, and that pixel moves with the image |
| [01:18:34] | wagnerrp: | only appears to affect the one monitor |
| [01:18:41] | wagnerrp: | not the sony, nor the smaller samsung |
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| [01:25:07] | zzman: | I am trying to scan a satellite in MythTv |
| [01:25:20] | zzman: | Has anyone ever done this ? |
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| [01:31:19] | UForgotten: | hmm. still no idea how to get these to line up. But I did discover there's a channel broadcasting a linux server. someone must have rebooted the box that's supposed to stream a channel and its at a fedora login prompt. |
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| [02:36:58] | k-man: | are the patches in Ticket #10504 merged into .25 fixes? or are the likely to be at any time? |
| [02:36:58] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10504 ** | |
| [02:42:13] | [R]: | wehn patches get committed, a message is put in the ticket |
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| [03:46:07] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i really think i like kqueue (BSD) for one reason, and one reason only |
| [03:46:37] | wagnerrp: | when it returns events, it tells you how much data is available to be read, or how much space is available to write in |
| [03:47:31] | ** Captain_Murdoch watches a MythTV generated HLS stream on his Roku ** | |
| [03:47:46] | wagnerrp: | were not left arbitrarily guessing, and dealing with however much data comes out |
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| [03:55:09] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: about the EXT-X-ENDLIST, I was looking at an older IETF spec, in the last one it does state: It MAY occur anywhere in the Playlist file; it MUST NOT occur more than once |
| [03:56:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, yeah, sphery and I were discussing that earlier today. I removed my change to put that at the end. |
| [03:56:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | I don't remember which one I looked at, but the newer one looks familiar. |
| [03:58:04] | jya: | yeah, if you do not add it until the end when all segments have been converted, it will be considered as a live stream.. However, if you do not have it and you don't have all segments listed in the playlist file ; then the playlist will not be refreshed as you go |
| [03:58:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | I tested with libfaac as well and that works. I don't know how that user tested with just the builtin aac encoder unless he is on 0.25. the new aac encoder in our master wants float data instead of int. |
| [03:59:13] | jya: | which is probably what you do not want, otherwise the playback will stall when it gets to the end of the temporary list |
| [03:59:29] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: all ffmpeg audio encoding now requires floats. |
| [03:59:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | My Roku also seems to support both /path/to/the/file and just 'file' for the entries in the playlists. |
| [03:59:36] | jya: | been a while like this |
| [04:00:27] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: that's normal and the right behaviour. According to the IETF file, if it's not an absolute URL to the segment, or the meta-playlist, then it's a relative URL |
| [04:01:19] | jya: | in fact the only thing that need to be absolute is the original path to the main m3u8 file |
| [04:01:44] | jya: | everything else can be relative… I even saw a stream with ../ in the path for the segments |
| [04:01:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | using libmp3lame for existing audio and that still takes the ints. It does support float though as well so may be best to convert to float since it's needed for internal aac support. |
| [04:02:30] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: you have everything required for float conversion of a buffer in the AudioOuput util class |
| [04:02:38] | wagnerrp: | wth... of course global name 'kqueue' is defined, i imported it right there |
| [04:02:40] | jya: | and those are SSE optimised: very fast.. |
| [04:03:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, if spec allows everything to be relative and we can now access files via /StorageGroup/GROUPNAME/FILENAME then we can just put FILENAME in the playlists. |
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| [04:03:09] | jya: | with SSE3, they will do 16 floats in one cycle |
| [04:03:34] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: I don't think that will work with the storage group URL |
| [04:03:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | the reason I was using the /Content/blah/blah/blah?blah in the playlists was because we needed that for use via the backend webserver. |
| [04:03:47] | jya: | because the information isn't in a path, but in the argument |
| [04:03:54] | jya: | eg.: |
| [04:04:06] | jya: | http://path/to?argument |
| [04:04:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | not with the new /StorageGroup/GROUPNAME/FILENAME method. it was in the /Content/GetFile?StorageGroup=GROUPNAME&FileName=FILENAME method. |
| [04:04:27] | jya: | that put off my m3u8 detection at the beginning |
| [04:04:46] | jya: | ah yes.. if it's in an path like that it will work |
| [04:05:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | I added the /StorageGroup/GROUPNAME/FILENAME method when I added JW Player but didn't switchover the HLS generation to use it. now I can just drop the path totally since that path works without args. |
| [04:05:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | JW Player didn't like the args either. |
| [04:05:59] | jya: | I see.. yes, that's much nicer |
| [04:06:39] | jya: | but I've removed the whole problem for me detecting if it's a m3u8 file or not according to the URL. I now use the ffmpeg url_read method, reading the first 1024 bytes of the file. |
| [04:06:55] | jya: | That's until you give me a peek method in DownloadManager :) |
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| [04:28:11] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: im getting the feeling this BOINC jobqueue replacement guy has never touched a cluster in his life |
| [04:29:19] | wagnerrp: | he thought i was somehow deriding what he was trying to do by calling it "ridiculously parallel" |
| [04:31:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | if you had said "massively parallel", he might have thought you meant his feature was code bloat. |
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| [04:32:05] | wagnerrp: | i suppose unless youve seen papers or articles using that term, it might be hard to believe thats a technical definition |
| [04:33:15] | wagnerrp: | anyone have any clue what this "please make me a lesbian" metadata issue might be? |
| [04:33:24] | wagnerrp: | im not turning up any matches on tmdb or ttvdb |
| [04:34:15] | wagnerrp: | oh, i probably have adult search turned off at tmdb |
| [04:35:17] | wagnerrp: | wow, in seven parts |
| [04:35:40] | wagnerrp: | and a collection |
| [04:35:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | guess the first time didn't stick |
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| [04:53:18] | wagnerrp: | hahahahahaha.... i just realized |
| [04:53:45] | wagnerrp: | "rich dicks on life" is complaining about mythtv pulling metadata for "please make me a lesbian" |
| [04:54:14] | wagnerrp: | what an unfortunate email address for that problem |
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| [05:05:01] | jya: | in a mpeg-ts, the resolution of the video stream, is that in the container, or in the stream itself ? |
| [05:05:29] | jya: | wrong channel |
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| [07:28:05] | dekarl: | jya: the mpeg video resolution is in the elementary stream. in principle it can change but no one does that as the players/tvs are not tested to support it. The only switches that I'm aware of are between different video streams with a dynamic PMT (to switch the video/audio for regional windows), or changing signalling to switch 2D<->3D. But the transport does carry rough information about the resolution via the service type eg SD vs HD |
| [07:28:41] | dekarl: | oh, and I expected the NASA TV stream to be 1280x720p, need to look again where that link is. |
| [07:28:44] | jya: | dekarl: thanks for that info |
| [07:28:54] | jya: | dekarl: that's fine I got video working now |
| [07:29:13] | jya: | issue is when my code detect the bandwidth to be too low and default to another stream |
| [07:29:25] | jya: | then AVFD just error and playback exit |
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| [07:29:48] | jya: | the default stream is 1280x720 |
| [07:29:56] | jya: | 15fps |
| [07:30:13] | dekarl: | jya, just found that https://github.com/mattetti/LiveTV/blob/maste . . . elList.plist |
| [07:30:47] | dekarl: | was looking for the Al Jazeera live stream (which is on that list, too) |
| [07:31:26] | jya: | cool I can try some more... |
| [07:31:43] | jya: | now we just need to plug so we can record those.. |
| [07:32:12] | jya: | not sure how ringbuffers are integrated in the recorder |
| [07:32:27] | dekarl: | and one last before I get to household work ;) http://tvsnooper.blogspot.de/ |
| [07:33:11] | jya: | wonder why my seeking doesn't work in a live stream |
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| [07:58:34] | larrikin_: | you stream watchers know about this right? --> https://community-links.googlecode.com/svn-hi . . . -Streams.xml |
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| [08:36:08] | dekarl: | larrikin_: thanks, but I don't see many HLS streams there ;) |
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| [08:53:11] | zzman: | Hello to the eastern hemisphere folks... I am wanting to talk to someone who knows how to scan a satellite with mythtv |
| [08:55:32] | jya: | what's a eastern hemisphere? considering Earth is rotating 24/7... |
| [08:57:32] | zzman: | I think that just what they call it east of Greenwich |
| [08:58:12] | zzman: | They invente lines of longitude a few years back |
| [08:59:51] | stuartm: | zzman: it's not too difficult for a simple lnb, might be more complicated where rotors and switches are involved, what you need first is a starting frequency for the satellite you're using – lyngsat or kingofsat can help there |
| [09:00:59] | zzman: | I have been doing this many years on win32. System in question is dual boot and working in windows |
| [09:01:08] | stuartm: | those sites tend to use MHz, mythtv expects KHz so you need to add 000 ... or is that the other way around |
| [09:01:24] | zzman: | Problem is scanning transponders |
| [09:01:46] | zzman: | 000 – got that part down |
| [09:02:04] | zzman: | I need to feed it a list I think |
| [09:02:30] | zzman: | Does it take normal ini files ? |
| [09:02:39] | stuartm: | normally that's all you require, put in the starting frequency, hit scan and it finds the rest of the frequencies |
| [09:03:06] | zzman: | It gives up instantly – nothing found |
| [09:03:12] | stuartm: | of course some back water nations can't follow the DVB spec |
| [09:03:56] | stuartm: | zzman: have you correctly configured the LNB/DiSeQc? |
| [09:04:13] | zzman: | I have two boards working so far : Skystar 2 ( early modlel ans wintv |
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| [09:05:56] | stuartm: | under the capture card screen there is a button, DiSEqC (Switch, LNB and Rotor Configuration) – does what you've selected there accurately reflect your hardware? |
| [09:06:39] | zzman: | Yes, local ocillator is 10750 and antenna is pointed at Galaxy 19, which has hundreds of channels |
| [09:07:31] | stuartm: | ok, no errors in the log? |
| [09:07:38] | zzman: | Is there an issue in linux drivers with turning on power |
| [09:07:41] | zzman: | ? |
| [09:08:12] | zzman: | pease name the log, I will reboot, and go look ? |
| [09:08:18] | stuartm: | zzman: maybe for that card, not for my cards, you could ask in #linuxtv where many driver devs live |
| [09:08:45] | zzman: | What do you have ? |
| [09:09:26] | stuartm: | zzman: the name of the log varies according to which distribution you use, if you start mythtv-setup from the command line then it will also be printed to the shell (stdout) so you can view it there |
| [09:09:52] | zzman: | I am on mythbuntu |
| [09:10:16] | zzman: | Is that a bad way to go ? |
| [09:10:37] | stuartm: | zzman: I've a Hauppauge Nova-S and a Tevii S470 (iirc that's the model, can't remember exactly) |
| [09:11:16] | zzman: | One of miy boards is the Nova-S ( wintv) |
| [09:11:25] | stuartm: | mythbuntu is fine, but they do some things a little differently and I wouldn't know where to point you for the logs etc – the guys in #mythbuntu should know |
| [09:11:50] | zzman: | What distro are you using |
| [09:12:59] | stuartm: | mandriva |
| [09:13:17] | stuartm: | but I'm not using packages, I build mythtv from source |
| [09:13:27] | stuartm: | and use the development version |
| [09:13:39] | zzman: | I am not a Ubuntu guy. Mythbuntu looks like it an easy way to do a front end |
| [09:13:53] | stuartm: | it should be yeah |
| [09:14:24] | zzman: | But not enough reason to change religion |
| [09:15:08] | zzman: | How smooth is the build process under mandriva ? |
| [09:16:14] | stuartm: | very, but then I've been doing it for years and I can't really remember what I might have needed to do the very first time – besides which I'd hardly recommend the latest Mandriva to anyone right now :) |
| [09:17:08] | stuartm: | I've got to go, I think there are some US DVB-S users here later in the day, they'd have more idea about any difficulties in scanning US satellites |
| [09:18:19] | zzman: | But you do not have to feed the Nova driver any arguments to power it up ? |
| [09:19:00] | zzman: | thanks for the help |
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| [09:26:53] | peitolm: | zzman: I've had a couple of dvb-s and dvb-s2, and as stuartm says, all you need to do is give it a good starting channel and it should find the rest of the transponders |
| [09:28:51] | peitolm: | open a terminal and run mythtv-setup from there, you'll then have access to the log, as long as you have the /dev/ nodes setup, it should be o.k. I assume mythtv-setup found the card? |
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| [09:40:07] | jya: | awesome stuff on NASA live TV there... |
| [09:44:27] | stuartm: | jya: I'm looking forward to the SpaceX launch on Sat |
| [09:45:15] | jya: | they were just moving Challenger shuttle from a Boeing 747.. Never got to see the shuttle under so many angle and so close |
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| [09:46:02] | jya: | hum… I'm not going to make just a playback of a HLS stream ; going to write a recorder too… too many good channels out there... |
| [09:52:35] | zzman: | oh yes...right now I simplified the diseqc to just a switch. It seems to be trying now. I just cant get a lock |
| [09:52:59] | zzman: | I will try the Skystar2 next |
| [09:56:01] | zzman: | Please define "starting frequency"? I am pluging in a known good transponder. Do you mean the beginnning of a range ? |
| [09:56:53] | zzman: | What should I specify for symbol rate ? If I use the actual know rate it gives up |
| [09:57:02] | zzman: | known |
| [09:57:59] | zzman: | It seems to prefer 22000000 over the actual rate |
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| [10:08:27] | peitolm: | zzman: depends on how your scanning, you can scan from a known transponder, a known set of channels, plus 1 or two other options, i'm not in front of my stuff, so i can't verify |
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| [10:18:37] | zzman: | thanks for all the help |
| [10:19:28] | zzman: | it seems my problem was incomplete diseqc motor settings |
| [10:20:26] | zzman: | now i am seeing it scan a known transponder, with signal and quality, but no lock |
| [10:25:40] | peitolm: | wrong symbol rate? protocol? |
| [10:26:21] | zzman: | in windows, yes, thats usually the case |
| [10:27:18] | zzman: | it there a setting for modulation type ? |
| [10:29:18] | zzman: | I was using the published rate, which works under all windoze progs |
| [10:31:04] | zzman: | According to the manual on the mythtv wiki, there are scripts to aid in scanning |
| [10:31:38] | zzman: | Unfortunatly, these links lead to rapidshare |
| [10:32:17] | zzman: | The owner of rapidshare was picked up by the feds a few weeks ago.... |
| [10:33:40] | zzman: | They now operate his domain. My attempt was probably logged |
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| [10:49:20] | peitolm: | zzman: there's szap, i believe that can generate a channels.conf file for mythtv |
| [10:50:00] | peitolm: | and yes, i believe there is also somwhere of specifying FEC, symbol rate, polarity and protocol (DVB-S/DVB-S2 etc) |
| [11:16:16] | stuartm: | jya: an HLS recorder would indeed be pretty cool, especially if there was some sort of guide data allowing you to schedule stuff in advance and not simply keep what you happen to be watching |
| [11:17:18] | jya: | stuartm: I'm guessing that now that I have the HLS RingBuffer for playback, it should be pretty trivial to reuse it for the recorder. Having said that, I've never even looked at how the recording works |
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| [11:17:39] | peitolm: | anyone know how to record from the BBC "red button" streams? |
| [11:21:04] | pepsiman: | record channel 301 |
| [11:21:28] | stuartm: | peitolm: the video/audio just comes standard channels, a manual schedule on one of those (301,302 etc) should work |
| [11:21:36] | stuartm: | comes from |
| [11:22:21] | stuartm: | they are unnamed channels, or named BBC Interactive/BBCi depending on the platform, you'll probably have to check which one is showing what you want to record |
| [11:23:27] | peitolm: | specifically thinking DVB-S(2) |
| [11:25:03] | stuartm: | you'll normally be moved to the channel in question if you view a video stream from the 'red button' menu, from there you can discover which channel that is |
| [11:25:29] | stuartm: | the MHEG literally requests MythTV to change channels |
| [11:27:04] | peitolm: | just thinking for the upcoming olypmics, they're supposed to be showing pretty much every event, so i'd like to record all of say badminton, but i have no idea if the schedule will be available (i normally use the radio times grabber) |
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| [12:30:37] | pepsiman: | peitolm, do a channel scan for data channels |
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| [12:35:06] | peitolm: | pepsiman: thanks, will do |
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| [13:59:38] | xavierh: | I am not able anymore to upload a Cover image for a video using mythweb, where should I look for ? |
| [14:00:01] | wagnerrp: | a complete rewrite |
| [14:00:15] | blue: | is there a way to limit the number of mythpreviewgen processes running at the same time? They seem to use all the memory on my box |
| [14:00:46] | wagnerrp: | blue: no, but they shouldnt be running for more than a few seconds at a time |
| [14:01:15] | blue: | wagnerrp: think they are running for like 10 seconds here |
| [14:01:58] | wagnerrp: | how much memory is "all of it"? |
| [14:02:25] | blue: | total on the machine is 2GB |
| [14:02:42] | blue: | think mythpreviewgen will use more than 1GB and then start swapping |
| [14:03:01] | wagnerrp: | each instance should only be using a few dozen MB |
| [14:03:02] | blue: | somtimes the oom starts killing stuff |
| [14:03:10] | blue: | ok, then something is wrong here |
| [14:04:01] | blue: | 2849 mythtv 29 9 3555m 143m 31m R 9.2 7.2 0:00.71 /usr/bin/mythpreviewgen |
| [14:04:01] | xavierh: | wagnerrp: where you talking to me about "a complete rewrite" ? The upload feature is still present but does not work |
| [14:04:14] | xavierh: | s/where/were |
| [14:04:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i hit around 40MB peak when my instances complete |
| [14:04:47] | wagnerrp: | there, youre doing 3x that |
| [14:05:16] | wagnerrp: | xavierh: i mean, the video support in mythweb was never fully converted over to storage groups |
| [14:05:19] | blue: | you only need to generate the preview once right? |
| [14:05:27] | wagnerrp: | ideally |
| [14:05:41] | wagnerrp: | but different clients (frontend/mythweb) want different resolutions |
| [14:05:55] | wagnerrp: | and any time you set a bookmark, or change a cutlist, or transcode, it gets rebuilt |
| [14:05:56] | blue: | ah ok |
| [14:07:00] | xavierh: | wagnerrp: any other way to add a cover to a video? |
| [14:07:23] | wagnerrp: | you can select one from the filesystem in the frontend |
| [14:07:40] | wagnerrp: | or you can let it download one of its own choosing from the metadata grabbers |
| [14:07:45] | xavierh: | tedious, thx anyway |
| [14:08:08] | xavierh: | do I have to a Coverart storage ? |
| [14:08:20] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [14:08:30] | xavierh: | or does it use the default if a storage group does not exist ? |
| [14:08:45] | xavierh: | s/to a/to have a |
| [14:08:56] | wagnerrp: | if you do not have the individual artwork SGs, it will fall back to using the Videos definitions |
| [14:09:09] | xavierh: | ok, thx again |
| [14:10:09] | xavierh: | since 0.25 mythfilldatabase does not run on its own, what log should I look at to find the issue ? |
| [14:10:37] | wagnerrp: | check backend logs, may be warnings of a child process failing |
| [14:10:46] | wagnerrp: | or, check mythfilldatabase's logs itself |
| [14:10:54] | wagnerrp: | it will be logging each instance to its own file |
| [14:11:30] | xavierh: | mythfilldatabase log is empty, will look at mythbackend log again |
| [14:11:43] | wagnerrp: | plural |
| [14:11:48] | wagnerrp: | one file for each instance |
| [14:15:52] | xavierh: | it's trying to run /usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase when it should be /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase |
| [14:16:22] | wagnerrp: | then it was built with the wrong prefix |
| [14:16:33] | wagnerrp: | or it is manually defined with an absolute path in mythtv-setup |
| [14:21:54] | xavierh: | ok I will have a look at this later, my ssh connection is to slow to run mythtv-setup |
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| [14:49:05] | blue: | /usr/bin/mythpreviewgen --size 0x0 --chanid 1008 --starttime 20120414190000 --outfile /mnt/md1/mythtv/1008_20120414190000.mpg.png --verbose general --loglevel info --syslog local7 |
| [14:49:18] | blue: | that command will use 1.5GGB RAM on my system and then get killed |
| [14:49:30] | blue: | the mpg file seems fine – I can watch it |
| [14:49:39] | blue: | any ideas? |
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| [14:53:11] | uh992k: | good evening |
| [14:53:32] | uh992k: | does someone know what's the difference between "store rule" and "store search" in the custom edit dialogue? |
| [14:53:46] | uh992k: | store rule is for sample clauses ... but what's store search? |
| [14:54:05] | uh992k: | it doesn't seem to be the same like pressing on the record button |
| [14:58:33] | uh992k: | hmm ... one thing which differs is the suffix ... "stored search" and "stored example" ... but does both types do the same? |
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| [17:09:19] | sphery: | uh992k: ttbomk, stored searches are for the search lists, not so much for recording rules |
| [17:09:49] | sphery: | uh992k: so, you use a stored search to allow you to repeatedly find shows that match certain criteria, to let you decide whether to create a rule for one or more of them |
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| [18:15:04] | uh992k: | sphery: what's the best way for submitting a patch? opening a ticket? |
| [18:15:18] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:15:39] | uh992k: | thx :) |
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| [19:17:31] | sphery: | git diff will give you one, or diff -Naur if you do it manually |
| [19:17:31] | uh992k: | which command should I use? |
| [19:17:31] | tgm4883: | well, we could joke, but not in a halfway serious way |
| [19:17:31] | sphery: | how did you create that context diff? |
| [19:17:31] | uh992k: | k, I'll do it |
| [19:17:31] | justinh: | sphery: you're mind-reading again |
| [19:17:31] | sphery: | hehe, guess so |
| [19:17:40] | sphery: | but didn't realize I had already answered that question until I asked another |
| [19:18:07] | uh992k: | ah, now it looks familiar |
| [19:18:13] | uh992k: | I wondered why it looked so strange ;) |
| [19:18:21] | sphery: | yeah, the context diff is usable, but very fragile |
| [19:18:27] | sphery: | the unified is much easier to work with |
| [19:19:24] | uh992k: | k, is online |
| [19:19:29] | sphery: | thx |
| [19:19:53] | sphery: | ah, and pretty--and colorful--in trac :) |
| [19:20:04] | sphery: | black and white patches are so 1950 |
| [19:20:09] | uh992k: | yeah right |
| [19:27:13] | swerve: | one new problem: when I skip ahead, I get hit with a wall of loud white noise hissing |
| [19:27:38] | uh992k: | I only got white noise when using pulseaudio ... |
| [19:27:46] | uh992k: | but there was a fix for that ... |
| [19:27:58] | uh992k: | what linux do you use? |
| [19:28:00] | swerve: | yes, it's using pulseaudio |
| [19:28:21] | uh992k: | there is a fix ... one moment ... have to search it on my harddisk |
| [19:28:28] | swerve: | arch linux, mythtv version 0.24.1+ |
| [19:28:54] | sphery: | disable resampler? |
| [19:29:17] | uh992k: | this fixed it for me: |
| [19:29:21] | uh992k: | default-sample-rate = 48000 |
| [19:29:21] | uh992k: | default-sample-channels = 2 |
| [19:29:31] | uh992k: | in /etc/pulseaudio/daemon.conf |
| [19:29:39] | sphery: | ah, that makes even more sense than what the user on list did |
| [19:29:47] | swerve: | thx, let me try that. |
| [19:30:55] | uh992k: | ah ... the right path is /etc/pulse/daemon.conf but you certainly figured that out already |
| [19:31:06] | justinh: | there's a fix alright. it's called not using pulseaudio :D |
| [19:31:34] | uh992k: | pulseaudio is great ... it allowes to switch betwenn hdmi and analog audio :) |
| [19:31:42] | uh992k: | easily |
| [19:32:12] | swerve: | that seemed to fix it, thankx :-) |
| [19:32:18] | uh992k: | np :) |
| [19:32:34] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to switch between HDMI and analog audio? |
| [19:32:58] | uh992k: | why would someone like me have timslackcompensatingtimeslotrules? :) |
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| [19:33:34] | uh992k: | basically the reason for is that I often watch with headphones |
| [19:33:49] | wagnerrp: | plug the headphones into your tv/receiver |
| [19:34:01] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: not everybody has a dedicated receiver. |
| [19:34:13] | devinheitmueller: | (and many TVs don't have a passthrough out) |
| [19:34:16] | uh992k: | that doesn't work because then I would always have to unplug the headphones if I would like to use internal tv speakers |
| [19:34:28] | wagnerrp: | not everyone, certainly no |
| [19:34:34] | uh992k: | there is more than one tv model out there |
| [19:34:42] | wagnerrp: | and i absolutely admit, there is good utility for a soundserver like pulseaudio |
| [19:35:07] | wagnerrp: | but that utility is only something thats going to get utilized by a couple percent of the userbase of mainstream distros |
| [19:35:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: besides, what if I want to save power, so only use the receiver 7.1 audio occasionally? |
| [19:35:16] | sphery: | ;) |
| [19:36:40] | tgm4883: | what if I want to use my Yamaha 7.1 system for blurays, my onyx 5.1 for music, my bose 3-2–1 for recordings, and my tv speakers for menu DVDs? |
| [19:36:56] | uh992k: | lol |
| [19:37:00] | tgm4883: | I demand a patch for that ;) |
| [19:37:28] | bradd: | what would prevent a dedicated frontend from binding to its global ipv4 address on the control socket(s) port(s) |
| [19:37:45] | sphery: | something else is using that port |
| [19:37:50] | wagnerrp: | global IP address? |
| [19:37:50] | sphery: | like, maybe, mythwelcome? |
| [19:37:50] | bradd: | nope |
| [19:37:54] | uh992k: | permissions wrong |
| [19:38:02] | sphery: | oh, control socket... nvm |
| [19:38:14] | wagnerrp: | like something accessible from the internet? |
| [19:38:21] | bradd: | its binds to them on the loopback address, the global v6 address, and the v6 link local address |
| [19:38:33] | wagnerrp: | something that does not lie within a private addresss range? |
| [19:38:40] | uh992k: | perhaps you configured it to listen on 127.0.0.1 and not on 0.0.0.0 |
| [19:38:52] | uh992k: | netstat -nlp will tell you that |
| [19:38:58] | bradd: | i know how to use netstat |
| [19:39:09] | wagnerrp: | if you dont tell it what to use, it will decide what to use on its own |
| [19:39:09] | uh992k: | then use it :) |
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| [19:39:20] | wagnerrp: | and right now, it decides to only use private network addresses |
| [19:39:32] | wagnerrp: | 192.168/16, 172.16/12, and 10/8 |
| [19:39:34] | bradd: | it binds to the global ipv6 address |
| [19:39:40] | bradd: | if its present |
| [19:40:00] | wagnerrp: | right, as there is no such thing as a "private" ipv6 address |
| [19:40:19] | uh992k: | ::1 or ::0? ;) |
| [19:40:35] | wagnerrp: | and at the time i wrote up the automatic selection code, there was some funky behavior i was unaware of needed to bind to link local addresses |
| [19:40:42] | bradd: | and so where do you tell the frontend what address to bind to? i have not been able to locate that seeting |
| [19:40:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup |
| [19:40:57] | wagnerrp: | first section, first page |
| [19:41:16] | wagnerrp: | your frontend actually has a dedicated IPv4 address? |
| [19:41:18] | bradd: | thats the backend..and i have the real ip address in there |
| [19:41:21] | bradd: | yes |
| [19:41:31] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup, first section, first page |
| [19:41:39] | wagnerrp: | thats the address servers listen on |
| [19:41:43] | wagnerrp: | and the control socket is a listen server |
| [19:42:10] | wagnerrp: | theres two settings, one for ipv4 and one for ipv6 |
| [19:42:16] | wagnerrp: | if you set them, it listens there and localhost |
| [19:42:22] | bradd: | the backend is binding corerctly |
| [19:42:26] | wagnerrp: | if you leave them blank, it does its autoselection |
| [19:42:26] | bradd: | its the frontend |
| [19:42:33] | wagnerrp: | but you said this was a dedicated frontend |
| [19:42:39] | wagnerrp: | meaning there is no backend |
| [19:42:49] | wagnerrp: | meaning it cannot possibly be binding correctly, as it does not exist |
| [19:42:55] | bradd: | meaning the backend is on e a differnet box |
| [19:43:00] | wagnerrp: | exactly |
| [19:43:10] | wagnerrp: | on a different hostname, meaning a different settings profile |
| [19:43:43] | bradd: | maybe i misunderstood you..you mean run mythtv-setup on the frontned? |
| [19:43:47] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [19:43:49] | bradd: | ahh |
| [19:43:58] | bradd: | i did not know that did anything |
| [19:44:19] | bradd: | (thought it was for the backend only) |
| [19:44:45] | wagnerrp: | i should have renamed that prior to the 0.25 release, but i didnt think about it |
| [19:45:08] | bradd: | its a bit misleading because the setup screen says "local backend" |
| [19:45:20] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [19:45:39] | wagnerrp: | previously, that was the case |
| [19:46:06] | wagnerrp: | starting with 0.25, the various non-protocol services in the frontend and backend will obey that setting as well |
| [19:46:39] | bradd: | thanks |
| [19:47:32] | bradd: | btw, its weird to have real ip addresses on your home lan? :) |
| [19:47:56] | wagnerrp: | absolutely! |
| [19:47:56] | tgm4883: | bradd, it's weird to have a public IP address on your home lan |
| [19:48:04] | tgm4883: | it's not weird to have a private IP address on your home lan |
| [19:48:18] | tgm4883: | IMHO I think there is a terminology mixup here |
| [19:48:28] | wagnerrp: | almost no one has more than one IPv4 address to allow for not running NAT |
| [19:48:43] | bradd: | i know..i work for a large internet backbone..i was kidding |
| [19:48:46] | wagnerrp: | and almost no one has any external IPv6 addresses unless using some tunneling service |
| [19:48:55] | bradd: | i have both :) |
| [19:49:25] | ** tgm4883 sits corrected ** | |
| [19:49:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, or they're on comcast? |
| [19:49:50] | kormoc: | Didn't comcast put 20% of the customers with native ipv6? |
| [19:50:15] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i heard they were trialing that as early as a year ago, but i didn't think it had made it very far |
| [19:50:29] | ** tgm4883 doesn't have it :/ ** | |
| [19:50:32] | wagnerrp: | i would be very much (and pleasantly) surprised if they were at 20% integration |
| [19:51:01] | bradd: | not sure if its 20% but they have pushed it quite a lot |
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| [19:52:11] | tgm4883: | I signed up for it quite some time ago, but haven't gotten IPv6 yet |
| [19:53:33] | kormoc: | "In our first phase of deployment, we will enable IPv6 on selected standalone computers. This is the case when a customer has just one computer, and where that computer is plugged directly into a cable modem" |
| [19:53:39] | kormoc: | http://www.comcast6.net/pilotfaq.php |
| [19:54:03] | tgm4883: | who has just one computer these days? |
| [19:54:13] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [19:54:18] | ServerSage: | And who plugs directly into a cable modem? |
| [19:54:32] | wagnerrp: | i do |
| [19:54:43] | wagnerrp: | i have a computer plugged directly into my (DSL) modem |
| [19:55:04] | wagnerrp: | and my modem configured in bridging mode |
| [19:55:13] | ServerSage: | I too have a *computer* plugged directly into my DSL modem. |
| [19:55:17] | kormoc: | "By now enabling IPv6 support for home networking customers (those using a home gateway / router), in areas where we have launched," http://blog.comcast.com/2012/04/ipv6-deployment-technology.html |
| [19:55:49] | wagnerrp: | by "computer", i mean a 500MHz box and 256MB of memory, running mainline FreeBSD |
| [19:56:15] | wagnerrp: | not one of these piddly consumer routers with a pittance of memory and some stripped down blend of linux |
| [19:56:38] | tgm4883: | so my DIR-825 isn't good enough? |
| [19:56:55] | ServerSage: | wagnerrp: I have basically the same, running pfsense. BUT, that was NOT what I meant when I asked the question. :) |
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| [19:59:07] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: 680MHz MIPS32, 64MB of RAM, 8MB of flash... still a ways off |
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| [19:59:15] | tgm4883: | yea |
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| [20:09:38] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: according to openwrt, seems that MIPS chip is anywhere between 50% slower to 200% faster than what ive got |
| [20:09:54] | wagnerrp: | id still rather stick to the 256MB of RAM and 4GB of flash... :) |
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| [20:24:53] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I'll agree with that. I don't run much directly on that box though |
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| [20:55:04] | ** justinh remembers there's a pogoplug to play with at work ** | |
| [20:55:44] | justinh: | tgm4883: anyway, in terms of actual setting up beyond getting it installed, the thing I'm supporting makes setting up mythtv look a real breeze |
| [20:56:50] | justinh: | it's a bit of a mess of php, mysql, python & javascript. Starting to hack on the python to add stuff customers have asked for, like process progress indication addons – when I have free time |
| [20:57:22] | uh992k: | hmmm ... who is gigem? |
| [20:57:51] | justinh: | I don't hate python as much as I thought I would, but spent a good hour today wondering why it was complaining about the indending & discovering it was cos I'd used spaces & the original dev had used tabs. Gah |
| [20:58:53] | wagnerrp: | gigem is gigem, what do you mean? |
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| [21:00:20] | uh992k: | he already posted a reply to my proposed patch but I'm not sure if he undstood me |
| [21:02:54] | wagnerrp: | blamelist is a good place to start.... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blame/master . . . cheduler.cpp |
| [21:03:10] | wagnerrp: | note, gigem is listed as owning about half the lines in there |
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| [21:03:53] | wagnerrp: | going back to at least 2004 |
| [21:05:17] | uh992k: | hmm ... then there are only two explanations: 1. my english is too bad to make myself clear and 2. my patch is useless ;) |
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| [21:06:17] | wagnerrp: | which is why he wanted more information, and didnt simply close it |
| [21:06:59] | justinh: | tgm4883: btw I've done some fixes – which isn't officially in my role – which have made it into the new release & I've been credited. I'm very happy about that |
| [21:09:04] | tgm4883: | justinh, cool, always fun getting your stuff out there |
| [21:09:46] | tgm4883: | At my previous job, I wrote a support tool that people could run to gather info necessary for troubleshooting |
| [21:09:54] | tgm4883: | since almost nobody knew linux there |
| [21:10:04] | tgm4883: | and even the people that supported it barely knew it |
| [21:10:29] | uh992k: | so ... replied to infoneeded ... I'll go now to bed ... good night @ all :) |
| [21:11:29] | justinh: | tgm4883: heh. I'm figuring all this is great ammunition for my CV (resume) at the very least |
| [21:12:57] | tgm4883: | justinh, yea it'll help out. |
| [21:14:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: really? rotate 8? if you rotate once on a preview generation log, something has gone horribly wrong |
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| [21:18:54] | mako-sb: | hey, I'm looking to watch hi-def on my pc, currently i can watch SD streams from my DVB-S, but not the HD stuff as i'm too cheap to buy a graphics card |
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| [21:19:11] | mako-sb: | whats a respectable card to aim for, if i'm looking to watch hd channels? |
| [21:19:35] | justinh: | mako-sb: MOARCPU AND better card |
| [21:20:09] | justinh: | UK HD over dvb-s is h.264 so you need VDPAU on the graphics card |
| [21:20:21] | wagnerrp: | you do? |
| [21:20:33] | justinh: | if you wanna use GPU acceleration yeah |
| [21:20:35] | wagnerrp: | i mean, certainly if youre buying a card, you want one that can do vdpau |
| [21:20:51] | wagnerrp: | but surely its not that difficult to come across a CPU these days that can handle the content |
| [21:20:53] | mako-sb: | hmm, my box was built with an amd 7550 x2 cpu |
| [21:21:27] | justinh: | I'd have thought that'd deal with h.264 1080i HD |
| [21:22:06] | wagnerrp: | 2.5GHz, couple generations ago |
| [21:22:14] | wagnerrp: | if its single sliced, it could see problems |
| [21:22:40] | mako-sb: | its a crap cpu, unless you're looking to boil water |
| [21:23:03] | mako-sb: | my only other kit is some old lga775 intel board but there's no cpu in that |
| [21:23:12] | mako-sb: | should i just give up and build a new boxen from scratch? |
| [21:23:20] | wagnerrp: | get an nvidia card and be done with it |
| [21:23:51] | mako-sb: | i'm not a hardware person, especially not graphics so i have no idea which one to get |
| [21:24:11] | wagnerrp: | GT210 is the low price point last i checked |
| [21:24:20] | wagnerrp: | you can pretty readily find them for $25 around here |
| [21:24:38] | mako-sb: | wow thats cheap |
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| [21:31:59] | justinh: | no 2x advanced deinterlacing with the gt210 IIRC. could be wrong though |
| [21:32:22] | justinh: | but you can get one with 1GB RAM onboard for under £25 in the UK |
| [21:33:20] | justinh: | oops sorry not under. £25.19 |
| [21:34:23] | justinh: | LOL/. the GT520, which *can* do advanced 2x deinterlacing (IIRC) is the same price |
| [21:34:29] | mako-sb: | ohh |
| [21:34:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, but for the --syslog users, it applies |
| [21:34:39] | mako-sb: | i seem to recall someone here recommending me the gt5something |
| [21:34:39] | justinh: | see the wiki page about VDPAU |
| [21:34:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: was the easiest way to support both with one script |
| [21:35:14] | justinh: | some older cards can do VDPAU accel too, but when the newer cards are so cheap the older ones are only likely to cost more, ironically |
| [21:35:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so rotate 8 works for the syslog'ers and find -delete for the logpath'ers |
| [21:35:53] | justinh: | I've been looking for a pci-e nvidia card with svideo out 2nd hand for under £20 for ages & it's annoying the new cards are so cheap but don't have what I currently need |
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| [21:36:02] | sphery: | reminds me, though, that I should change the delete days for previewgen to something more reasonable... like 7... or 3? |
| [21:36:18] | mako-sb: | hmm, ok, so gt210, or gt520 :/ |
| [21:36:50] | justinh: | mako-sb: or higher, but consult the table in the mythtv wiki first |
| [21:37:11] | justinh: | confusingly, higher numbers do not always equate to better features |
| [21:37:19] | ** justinh shakes his fist ** | |
| [21:37:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, you mean the mythpreviewgen page's --logpath version... yeah, not required, but, meh |
| [21:37:42] | sphery: | (I had just gotten out of the all apps page) |
| [21:38:33] | justinh: | mako-sb: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Card_status |
| [21:38:42] | mako-sb: | ah cheers |
| [21:39:14] | wagnerrp: | fun... more wiki cache issues |
| [21:40:44] | justinh: | was reading about the stuff nvidia is doing in the supercomputing field & wondering if it's for real or not. I mean teraflops, and under 300W power dissipation? Kinda puts gaming PC rigs with their '1KW' PSUs into perspective |
| [21:41:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: because i'm changing pages too fast? |
| [21:41:36] | mako-sb: | that's a point, i'd need a decent psu too |
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| [21:41:50] | mako-sb: | all mine are skipdived ouf of old 2003 machines etc |
| [21:41:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: or do we not have the "nocache" plugin thing installed on the new server? |
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| [21:42:16] | wagnerrp: | justinh: the trouble is fitting your problem set into the limited instruction space of a "core" on a GPU |
| [21:42:20] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the latter |
| [21:42:24] | sphery: | hehe, fun |
| [21:42:42] | sphery: | I know you love these wiki plugins and, especially, the modifications to the wiki stuff |
| [21:42:45] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I bet |
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| [21:43:07] | justinh: | our work wiki needs to not be a trac wiki. Or at least have a decent search plugin |
| [21:43:57] | wagnerrp: | what wiki has a decent search plugin? |
| [21:44:01] | wagnerrp: | surely not mediawiki |
| [21:44:26] | justinh: | eh? can no wiki plugin do AND or NOT ? |
| [21:44:45] | justinh: | or anything remotely more than single word searches? |
| [21:44:57] | wagnerrp: | the mediawiki search is pretty bad |
| [21:45:14] | justinh: | I think it's better than the trac wiki |
| [21:45:29] | wagnerrp: | well the trac search is designed not to be used |
| [21:45:35] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:45:36] | wagnerrp: | since youre going to use the filtering queries |
| [21:45:45] | wagnerrp: | and write custom search SQL |
| [21:46:03] | justinh: | oh right, so all I need to do is mash my own page together & ... |
| [21:46:23] | wagnerrp: | meaning... youre only supposed to be search trac tickets |
| [21:46:27] | wagnerrp: | not wiki entries |
| [21:46:41] | justinh: | yeah well at work trac is for ticketing and wiki |
| [21:46:50] | justinh: | and it's *awful* |
| [21:47:18] | justinh: | the ceo insists everything goes on there, which it does – and promptly gets lost in the mire |
| [21:47:44] | sphery: | IME, Google and Bing are the best wiki search "plugins" :) |
| [21:48:00] | justinh: | not for internal wikis they ain't |
| [21:48:14] | sphery: | yeah, that does reduce the number of hits a bit |
| [21:48:20] | justinh: | I keep forgetting Bing even exists |
| [21:48:23] | wagnerrp: | get one of those rackmount google search appliances |
| [21:48:30] | justinh: | ROFLMAO |
| [21:48:42] | ** sphery has gotten paid $40 for using Bing ** | |
| [21:49:05] | justinh: | yeah, that'd happen. When they turned down a req. last month for £10 worth of batteries for our DVMs |
| [21:49:15] | sphery: | (and I actually prefer it over Google--and not just because Google is evil (even if they do no evil) |
| [21:50:36] | justinh: | I don't get why people say that about google. all super-mega-hyper-global-corp companies are evil but not so many people shout about that. they all want to own everything |
| [21:51:09] | justinh: | maybe the internet would be better off if it was just a bunch of small startups connected with a series of tubes |
| [21:54:21] | justinh: | aaanyway... seems since I commented out the 'respawn' lines in the upstart script there've been no more random mythbackend processes kicked off |
| [21:55:16] | justinh: | I'd have hoped that whatever upstart used for monitoring a process would actually rely on monitoring the actual process it spawns |
| [21:55:50] | justinh: | but when I've had issues with it, the original process was still there doing its thing.. or rather trying to |
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| [23:28:55] | hi^: | hello |
| [23:29:14] | hi^: | anyone use beyondtv ? |
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| [23:35:14] | wagnerrp: | its a good bet just about everyone in here uses mythtv |
| [23:50:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i really should get around to putting together some kind of paste/filebin |
| [23:50:58] | wagnerrp: | for things like #10375 |
| [23:50:58] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10375 ** | |
| [23:51:08] | wagnerrp: | #10735 |
| [23:51:08] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10735 ** | |
| [23:52:02] | sphery: | that would be nice |
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