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Tuesday, May 8th, 2012, 00:03 UTC
[00:03:59] EnderTheThird: wagnerrp: you're a gentleman and a scholar.  :-)
[00:05:00] EnderTheThird: didn't think to retry the repo until i did verbose on mythfilldatabase. Sometimes I forget that it gives you so much more information than it shows in the command line with just the command.  :-/
[00:05:20] wagnerrp: no idea how they could have gotten out of sync
[00:05:26] wagnerrp: package manager barfed?
[00:05:49] UForgotten: the mythbuntu package manager is definitely flakey. but it could just be ubuntu :)
[00:05:51] EnderTheThird: That or the backend didn't update since it was running the whole time.
[00:06:27] EnderTheThird: but I'd think mythfilldatabase and all that is packaged with the mythtv-backend stuff?
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[00:06:32] wagnerrp: doesnt work that way
[00:06:41] EnderTheThird: hmmm, weird
[00:06:43] wagnerrp: you can update files out from underneath running programs without any problem
[00:06:59] wagnerrp: the program continues running with whatever copy it had stored in memory
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[00:08:22] EnderTheThird: Right. Funky how it did that. I wonder if my main server here was doing the same, because mythfilldatabase seemed to be doing the same thing on my machine, but I haven't checked the log
[00:08:39] UForgotten: mythfilldatabase takes 30 minutes for each day
[00:08:46] UForgotten: seems slow
[00:09:02] UForgotten: if I want to do a full two week update it takes 7 hours
[00:09:59] EnderTheThird: Really? I don't remember it ever taking that long before I had it run automatically in the background each night.
[00:10:29] UForgotten: this is on mythbuntu 64-bit, intel core2duo T7250 @ 2 ghz, 4 gb of ram, brand new 7200 rpm sata drive.
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[00:12:01] EnderTheThird: wagnerrp: or maybe it's not working. Mythweb isn't showing listings past today. Maybe I'll let it run for an hour to see if it's just going slow on her machine
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[00:12:58] UForgotten: EnderTheThird: maybe its just dog slow in 0.25 now? I dont have anything to compare it to. try running it from the command line and you can see how bloody slow it really is
[00:14:05] EnderTheThird: In command line, it stalls just saying "DataDirect: sourced 1 has lineup type: LocalBroadcast"
[00:14:38] EnderTheThird: no new updates to terminal after that. Unless mythfilldatabase changed the output it shows, because I remember it providing more frequent updates on the screen to show what it was doing.
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[00:16:19] wagnerrp: try running with --dd-grab-all
[00:16:22] EnderTheThird: I do see a "content-type missing in HTTP POST, defaulting to application/octet-stream" message in there up a ways too
[00:17:03] EnderTheThird: running now
[00:17:20] UForgotten: EnderTheThird: that's not stalling, its processing, it just takes 30 friggin minutes for one day
[00:18:24] wagnerrp: rather, its inserting into a poorly configured database, on an ill suited filesystem
[00:18:59] EnderTheThird: Could be. I gave her my older Core 2 Duo that's a little underpowered.
[00:19:04] UForgotten: wagnerrp: is there a better way? sqllite on xfs perhaps?
[00:19:12] wagnerrp: the core2 isnt underpowered, its the configuration
[00:19:12] UForgotten: instead of mysql on ext4
[00:19:31] wagnerrp: the stock mysql config overflows on the temp table, causing it to get flushed to disk
[00:19:33] UForgotten: this box is only for this use now. I'd happily nuke it and reinstall something that works
[00:19:54] wagnerrp: at which point Barriers takes over and causes each and every change to go straight to the platter
[00:20:02] wagnerrp: rather than merely temporarily buffering in memory
[00:20:58] tgm4883: wagnerrp, are you talking just tmp_table_size and max_heap_table_size
[00:21:01] wagnerrp: EnderTheThird: any chance you are using an email address as your SD login?
[00:21:14] UForgotten: does it use innodb?
[00:21:17] tgm4883: rhpot1991 is testing with some new settings for those
[00:21:20] wagnerrp: tgm4883: possibly, sphery or kormoc would know better
[00:21:27] EnderTheThird: wagnerrp: I am
[00:21:38] UForgotten: yeah Im curious how what to tune. definitely would be ok with
[00:21:38] UForgotten: ivtv – Linux iTVC15/16 and CX23415/16 Driver, Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 250/3
[00:21:46] UForgotten: er
[00:21:52] UForgotten: sorry no idea where that came from
[00:22:02] wagnerrp: EnderTheThird: if that is the case, you need to be running a certain newer version of Qt
[00:22:27] wagnerrp: there was an issue with an older version where it was incorrectly parsing that username as we were trying to pass it to SD
[00:22:38] wagnerrp: causing us to send the wrong username to SD to login with
[00:22:40] tgm4883: Contrary to popular belief, I actually DON'T like it when mythbuntu isn't running well for our users
[00:22:47] EnderTheThird: Ahhhh, I see.
[00:22:50] UForgotten: ashlee simpson look/soundalike on the voice. eww.
[00:22:56] UForgotten: not a compliment.
[00:23:06] tgm4883: wagnerrp, there shouldn't be any Ubuntu version that is affected by that
[00:23:28] EnderTheThird: Might explain why it runs OK in background on my machine. I was able to import my old db on mine. Couldn't on hers. How would I get the new version of Qt?
[00:23:31] tgm4883: IIRC it was qt x.x..2, where we went from x.x.1 to x.x.3
[00:23:41] wagnerrp: tgm4883: no one is blaming mythbuntu, terrible mysql configs plague all major distros
[00:23:50] tgm4883: wagnerrp, I meant the qt issue
[00:23:56] wagnerrp: 4.7.2 maybe?
[00:24:02] tgm4883: that sounds rigth
[00:24:09] tgm4883: ubuntu releases skipped that one
[00:24:10] wagnerrp: yeah, its not a particularly new version
[00:24:16] tgm4883: we got lucky there :)
[00:24:32] EnderTheThird: Hmmm, wonder if it didn't install by default in mythbuntu. Know the package name in buntu by chance?
[00:24:47] tgm4883: regarding mysql, if it's an issue with our config, and we can fix it globally, I'd sure like to
[00:25:00] tgm4883: package name of what?
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[00:25:55] EnderTheThird: the updated qt. according to apt-get all my packages are up to date. So I'm assuming the updated qt you guys are talking about either isn't in the repo or wasn't installed by default
[00:25:55] wagnerrp: tgm4883: well that has been one of the long coming reasons for an embedded mysql datbase
[00:26:05] wagnerrp: embedded mysql means we can enforce good settings
[00:26:22] tgm4883: EnderTheThird, it doesn't affect Ubuntu
[00:26:25] wagnerrp: to be fair, theyre not "bad" settings, per se
[00:26:29] tgm4883: EnderTheThird, what release are you on?
[00:26:34] EnderTheThird: Mythbuntu 12.04
[00:26:38] wagnerrp: they are just extremely lightweight settings
[00:26:50] UForgotten: tgm4883: I'm also on mythbuntu, it takes 30 minutes for one day of mythfilldatabase processing
[00:26:57] wagnerrp: the kind that you might expect a home user to want to use, with some light database use on a home application
[00:27:06] UForgotten: tgm4883: and I'm also not getting any video from my hd pvr in myth :(
[00:27:11] tgm4883: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qt . . . ;section=all
[00:27:27] tgm4883: UForgotten, yes it does take a really long time for mythfilldatabase
[00:28:06] UForgotten: tgm4883: 7 hours? I've heard people say it takes 20 minutes for the entire run. makes me think they are full of crap or something is very wrong
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[00:28:42] tgm4883: UForgotten, if you have been paying attention to the conversation here, you'll notice we've been discussing that as being an issue with mysql settings and possible ways to fix it
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[00:28:53] Tetracomm: Hello.
[00:29:00] Tetracomm: Could someone please help me to get the Hauppauge HVR-850 tv tuner working in Xubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[00:29:06] UForgotten: tgm4883: I've been watching for someone to suggest a setting to fix it :)
[00:29:33] EnderTheThird: tgm4883: Installing a few of the qt4 packages. Hopefully that'll get me whatever I need, heh.
[00:29:37] wagnerrp: UForgotten: quick solution, remount your drive without barriers
[00:29:38] tgm4883: EnderTheThird, no
[00:29:43] ** tgm4883 sighs **
[00:29:57] wagnerrp: good solution... need to ask someone who knows more about mysql than i
[00:30:00] EnderTheThird:
[00:30:12] tgm4883: although i'm unsure of the ramifications, I've seen people changing to myisam working
[00:30:32] wagnerrp: s/myisam/innodb/
[00:30:44] UForgotten: if its innodb you can tune the crap out of it
[00:30:47] wagnerrp: the issue with innodb is again, the default configs are even worse for innodb than mysql
[00:30:52] wagnerrp: s/mysql/myisam/
[00:31:48] tgm4883: wagnerrp, no, switching to myisam http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11910943&postcount=17
[00:32:09] wagnerrp: the only thing that shouldnt be running myisam are the mythweather tables
[00:32:19] tgm4883: EnderTheThird, you are just going to install random packages in the hopes of it working? if that is the case, please don't come back asking for help
[00:32:23] wagnerrp: everything else should already be myisam
[00:32:47] wagnerrp: and there is not sufficient amount of data in mythweather for any amount of optimization to be worthwhile
[00:33:22] tgm4883: where is that set?
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[00:33:51] wagnerrp: mythtv/lib/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp
[00:34:01] wagnerrp: the engine is manually set on all those table creations
[00:34:16] tgm4883: ah ok
[00:36:23] EnderTheThird: tgm4883: wagnerrp said I needed the newest qt4 for the email login to work. I asked if you guys knew which package he meant. I didn't get an answer, so I installed what appeared not to be documentation packages. If you know the package I'd need, I'd appreciate it as I was no happier installing random qt4 packages than you were.
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[00:37:22] tgm4883: EnderTheThird, and I said that QT issue does not affect any Ubuntu/Mythbuntu releases
[00:37:39] Tetracomm: Could someone please help me to get the Hauppauge HVR-850 tv tuner working in Xubuntu 12.04 LTS? Here is my lsusb -v and dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/nAUPTxra
[00:38:00] tgm4883: I've based that on the versions of QT available in the different Ubuntu releases and the information that Beirdo provided when debugging that particular issue
[00:38:30] EnderTheThird: tgm4883: Thanks. I'm hoping this thing is just going god awful slow then, seeing as I'm not getting the incompatible mythtv message I got earlier.
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[00:38:35] tgm4883: EnderTheThird, that said, if you believe that is the issue, a much easier solution is to login to Schedules Direct and change your login info away from your email
[00:39:18] EnderTheThird: tgm4883: Hey man, I'll try anything
[00:39:21] UForgotten: tgm4883: any thoughts on not being able to get my hd pvr working?
[00:39:34] EnderTheThird: tgm4883: Just changed login ID. We'll see what happens.
[00:39:38] tgm4883: UForgotten, ask in #mythtv-users ;)
[00:39:54] wagnerrp: no, i didnt say newest... i said newish
[00:39:54] UForgotten: tgm4883: askception occurred
[00:40:16] wagnerrp: apparently 4.7.2, which a modern copy of ubuntu should be beyond
[00:40:31] tgm4883: UForgotten, I don't know, as we've debugged it works outside of MythTV and it seems setup correctly to work inside mythtv then IDK
[00:40:38] ** wagnerrp appears to have been volunteered to move furniture tomorrow morning **
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[00:41:11] tgm4883: UForgotten, I think the issue may lie with the IR channel changing. As all else seems to be similar between us
[00:43:45] UForgotten: tgm4883: the strange part is if I use the mythbuntu infrared setup, it breaks it, not sure what to pick. If I follow the mythtv wiki and manually configure lirc, the channel changing via script works but myth doesnt even appear to call the script or engage the pvr.
[00:44:08] UForgotten: I'm tempted to enable the myth repo and do an update to see if this is something wierd that may have been fixed since the iso was burnt
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[00:44:59] sphery: EnderTheThird: didn't read scrollback, so you might know this, but either a) Qt 4.7.2+ or b) go to Schedules Direct and change your login name to something without the special chars
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[00:45:37] Beirdo: sphery: or Qt 4.7.0 -
[00:45:40] Beirdo: :)
[00:45:45] Beirdo: just NOT 4.7.1
[00:45:48] sphery: yeah, but why downgrade :)
[00:45:52] Beirdo: true
[00:45:53] EnderTheThird: sphery: thanks. I changed my login with SD. It's going now, but I"m still getting a "content-type missing" error. Wondering if mythbuntu is missing something to handle the info from SD???
[00:45:56] sphery: EnderTheThird: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/515730#515730
[00:46:26] sphery: EnderTheThird: we do all processing inside mythtv, so ubuntu mime configuration won't affect it
[00:46:34] sphery: got logs?
[00:47:15] EnderTheThird: sphery: rerunning to put everything in log instead of crowding up my terminal. Shouldn't be long.
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[00:47:59] Beirdo: run with -v file,socket --loglevel debug for best debugging results
[00:48:28] EnderTheThird: sphery: http://pastebin.com/25swyHZw
[00:48:44] EnderTheThird: Beirdo: will try with that this time, one sec.
[00:48:58] UForgotten: interesting. proc is screwy. w shows 0 users
[00:49:19] sphery: yeah, definitely needs additional logging
[00:49:27] sphery: you are runnign current 0.25-fixes, right?
[00:50:08] sphery: UForgotten: broken (wrong permissions) utmp?
[00:50:09] EnderTheThird: yeah, from mythbuntu-repo.
[00:50:21] Beirdo: hmm, did I backport the additional logging, I wonder?
[00:50:33] sphery: UForgotten: should be 3840
[00:50:41] EnderTheThird: Beirdo: running again.
[00:51:10] UForgotten: sphery: not sure how that would have happened. I'm rebooting, btb
[00:51:42] tgm4883: Sphery, can we discuss mysql settings later?
[00:52:09] sphery: tgm4883: if it's about innodb configuration, I'm not a good person for it
[00:52:33] tgm4883: Myisam
[00:52:40] Beirdo: there are webpages for that :)
[00:52:51] sphery: tgm4883: also, seems ubuntu's are pretty good--though putting data on a file system with barriers enabled tends to mean awful performance for most "casual" users
[00:53:06] sphery: but safety in the event of catastrophic failure
[00:53:08] Beirdo: stupid myisam
[00:53:16] tgm4883: Yea pretty bad performance it seems
[00:53:25] sphery: but, yeah, I'd be happy to talk when you like
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[00:53:56] tgm4883: Overriding to myisam seems pto resolve
[00:54:12] sphery: overriding to myisam?
[00:54:16] Beirdo: huh?
[00:54:21] EnderTheThird: sphery: new log: http://pastebin.com/nNw5L4HX
[00:54:33] tgm4883: Yea, the link is in the backlog
[00:54:34] sphery: in 0.25+, we explicitly ask for myisam (except for mfdb and scheduler temp tables--but I may change that)
[00:54:35] Beirdo: if you are changing from innodb -> myisam... why?
[00:54:56] sphery: because that's well tested :)
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[00:55:03] tgm4883: I just left the house and im Oman android tablet
[00:55:11] tgm4883: 9n an
[00:55:18] UForgotten: hmm, interesting. the hdpvr driver appears to be switching from /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 arbitrarily
[00:55:21] sphery: got it in the Middle East?
[00:55:27] tgm4883: Si th s
[00:55:29] Beirdo: EnderTheThird: what version of Qt?
[00:55:55] sphery: tgm4883: doing amazingly well for tablet typing :)
[00:56:08] tgm4883: UForotten configure udev
[00:56:09] sphery: (I still hate touchscreen with autocorrect/auto-think)
[00:56:24] sphery: UForgotten: 05.07 20:56:08 < tgm4883> UForotten configure udev
[00:56:26] tgm4883: Sphery thanks
[00:56:26] EnderTheThird: beirdo: libqtcore4 is 4.8.1
[00:56:39] sphery: hehe, figured it would be easier with a proper ping :)
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[00:56:54] Beirdo: hmm.
[00:56:57] tgm4883: No tab complete :-(
[00:57:19] rmsbl: is there an easy way to stream recordings across a WAN? perhaps encoding them
[00:57:34] Beirdo: well, from here, I'd need a pcap file to see what it's actually sending and receiving, and it looks like I did NOT backport the extra logging ;)
[00:57:51] tgm4883: Beirdo, i had a user grab that
[00:58:15] tgm4883: I asked for what you asked in that earmark list
[00:58:19] EnderTheThird: Weird thing is that, at one point or another, it got listings data for yesterday and today. I had it running automagically from 2:00–5:00 am in setup.
[00:58:24] tgm4883: Sighs
[00:58:29] UForgotten: configure udev?
[00:58:39] sphery: EnderTheThird: you should be using the "grabber suggested time"
[00:58:50] UForgotten: hmm. will rtfm
[00:58:53] Beirdo: tgm4883: cool. It really does make a big difference when debugging this particular issue
[00:59:12] EnderTheThird: sphery: Pretty sure that's checked. I'm VNC'ing this stuff, so it will take a second to check
[00:59:31] sphery: if it is checked, it ignores the start/end hours
[00:59:43] EnderTheThird: ah, fair enough then.
[00:59:45] UForgotten: changing the device doesnt fix the pvr though :(
[01:00:38] tgm4883: Beirdo, i can get the link for you later if you can't find the thread
[01:00:59] UForgotten: error opening jump program file buffer
[01:01:24] tgm4883: He ran it tariffs, once with the change he made and once default
[01:01:26] sphery: UForgotten: also, make sure you're on current 0.25-fixes--there were many live tv fixes after release
[01:01:33] sphery: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[01:01:38] UForgotten: sphery: yes just pulled down the latest from the repo
[01:02:09] sphery: ok, just making sure
[01:02:52] EnderTheThird: Heh, it appears SD gets rid of your lineups when you change your login ID
[01:03:02] UForgotten: normally I'm good at figuring out obscure hardware/software problems, but I think I'm more frustrated because I spent money on the pvr. I would be much less in a hurry to get it working.
[01:03:08] sphery: EnderTheThird: interesting...
[01:03:10] tgm4883: Shouldnt
[01:03:16] sphery: we might need to look into that
[01:03:17] tgm4883: Mine stayed
[01:03:24] sphery: if you re-create them, does it work?
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[01:03:49] EnderTheThird: heh: "Error:
[01:03:49] EnderTheThird: You are being affected by a random bug under investigation. It may be 60 minutes until your account is ready for use. Sorry, Please try again later."
[01:04:06] EnderTheThird: When I tried to re-add lineup
[01:04:06] UForgotten: lame
[01:04:25] sphery: hehe, yeah, sounds like one of the transient errors that messes up lineups occasionally
[01:04:37] sphery: wait a while, then try going back and check your lineups
[01:04:52] sphery: if they're there, you may want to try "re-add lineups" (or whatever the button is called)
[01:04:55] sphery: if not, recreate
[01:04:57] EnderTheThird: Will do. Explains why it kept showing download errors for mythfilldatabase though, it didn't have my lineups!
[01:05:03] sphery: yeah
[01:05:18] sphery: Beirdo: ^^^ might be broken lineups causing his failure
[01:05:29] UForgotten: EnderTheThird: may be faster to create a new account
[01:05:42] EnderTheThird: UForgotten: but not cheaper  ;-)
[01:05:50] UForgotten: EnderTheThird: its free for a week
[01:05:54] UForgotten: just to get you up and running
[01:05:54] sphery: creating an account may also take an hour or more for lineups to become ready
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[01:05:57] UForgotten: then fix it later :)
[01:06:06] UForgotten: really? mine was instant
[01:06:13] Beirdo: sphery: makes sense to me
[01:06:37] EnderTheThird: Let me add this time. Gotta recheck mythtv-setup to see if it's there.
[01:06:38] sphery: yeah, not sure why/when it takes time, but I've seen it take hours for some users
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[01:09:24] EnderTheThird: sphery: Yeah, seems not to be finding my lineup in myth right now.
[01:09:33] EnderTheThird: sphery: guess I need to give it a while
[01:10:15] wagnerrp: well this is interesting... i didnt record bones tonight
[01:11:00] sphery: wagnerrp: mine did
[01:11:10] sphery: 6 comm breaks
[01:11:15] wagnerrp: mythtv thinks i did
[01:11:47] UForgotten: wagnerrp: maybe u need to watch it?
[01:11:52] wagnerrp: it also only thinks there are 247MB in it
[01:12:24] EnderTheThird: wagnerrp: short episode, heh
[01:12:34] wagnerrp: and the quality monitor reported a break from 2012-05–07T20:00:43 to 2012-05–07T20:59:01
[01:12:49] Beirdo: anyways, I'm gonna head home so I can play with mythtv
[01:13:00] wagnerrp: it was great, i got the important beginning and end, and skipped over all the filler
[01:13:01] UForgotten: quality monitor? whats all this advanced stuff geez, and I cant even get my pvr to work :(
[01:13:28] wagnerrp: no errors reported in the logs
[01:13:39] sphery: yellow?
[01:13:56] wagnerrp: yellow?
[01:14:11] wagnerrp: havent actually looked at the UI
[01:14:15] sphery: damage detection stuff
[01:14:22] sphery: though that should show a log message
[01:14:31] wagnerrp: yeah, im looking at it
[01:14:41] wagnerrp: (the logs, not something yellow in the UI)
[01:14:49] wagnerrp: 'less' does not have colored output
[01:16:13] Beirdo: seeya all on the flip side...
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[01:32:43] tgm4883: Beirdo, http://place.org/~nop/m/mfdblog-2012-05-07.tar.xz
[01:32:54] tgm4883: There is a README file in there that explains what he did
[01:33:22] UForgotten: dude!
[01:33:29] UForgotten: it was the channel changer.
[01:33:33] UForgotten: moved it into /usr/bun
[01:33:34] tgm4883: I had his gather mythfilldatabase run with -v file,network --loglevel debug, AND a pcap file of it failing.
[01:33:36] UForgotten: er /usr/bin
[01:33:46] UForgotten: and now I can watch live tv.
[01:33:46] tgm4883: UForgotten, where did you have it before?
[01:33:51] UForgotten: /usr/local/bin
[01:33:58] UForgotten: but I had the path fully defined.. strange.
[01:34:05] UForgotten: this time I just put in the name without the path
[01:34:05] tgm4883: yea weird
[01:34:07] UForgotten: and it works
[01:35:31] UForgotten: erm
[01:35:45] UForgotten: its a little jumpy on hd channels. unwatchably so.
[01:36:02] UForgotten: but this is good progress, finally.
[01:36:09] tgm4883: UForgotten, that sounds like a playback issue
[01:37:54] UForgotten: tgm4883: aspect ratio is off, I'll have to poke around and see what tuning Ican do.
[01:38:13] UForgotten: its not the myth box skipping thats for sure, no iowait and very little cpu
[01:38:26] UForgotten: I'll try a record and replay
[01:40:17] UForgotten: so I can't watch a recording in progress?
[01:40:56] tgm4883: you should be able to
[01:41:01] tgm4883: you should see it in the recorded list
[01:41:59] UForgotten: ah yeah I see it now
[01:42:02] UForgotten: its skipping really bad
[01:43:00] UForgotten: I feel so much better that I'm even getting recordings now tho, geez. wife was about to kill me
[01:43:06] tgm4883: what playback profile are you using?
[01:44:38] UForgotten: whatever the defaults are, have not done any tweaks
[01:44:46] UForgotten: the bitrate is probably way too high
[01:46:00] UForgotten: opengl high quality is what it is on now – which tested PERFECT in the setup wizard btw
[01:47:09] tgm4883: what CPU/video card?
[01:47:59] UForgotten: core2duo 2 ghz, intel i8somethingorother
[01:48:27] mzb_ is now known as mzb
[01:49:28] UForgotten: video is onboard hdmi intel GM965
[01:49:46] tgm4883: id check the playback profile
[01:50:02] UForgotten: it doesn't have a lot of power but it played the opengl high test just fine. I tried dropping it to opengl normal, didn't seem to have much effect.
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[01:50:46] EnderTheThird: Finally got the line-ups redone and channels rescanned after stupidly deleting the data source, which of course got rid of my channels from that source (oops)
[01:52:35] UForgotten: tgm4883: I changed it to 'slim' and its playing like a bawse. except for the aspect ratio.
[01:52:57] EnderTheThird: seems to be stuck at "DataDirect: sourceid 1 has lineup type: LocalBroadcast" again. Either stuck or it's really slow. I'm not sure which. FWIW, I had to manually enter the SD channel IDs for the channels since they're QAM from cable and wasn't sure if it would know which channels were which when it's set for "local broadcast"
[01:53:07] UForgotten: I'm gonna sign out and start digging into the video settings. thanks!
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[01:56:05] EnderTheThird: It's still running, but here's the log so far: http://pastebin.com/F7FE71Z7
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[02:05:10] TheMaze: hi all, I'm very stumped trying to configure MythTV with a Ceton InfiniTV and I'm hoping someone may have an idea
[02:05:20] TheMaze: this is .25 on ubuntu 12.04
[02:05:22] TheMaze: clean install
[02:05:44] TheMaze: best I Can tell, I have everything set up right, but MythTV doesn't seem to be issuing tunes to the InfiniTV
[02:05:50] TheMaze: (log on the infiniTV web page doesn't show it)
[02:05:58] TheMaze: I see something (the backend?) repeatedly trying to tune to channel 0
[02:06:08] TheMaze: but nothing to my channels I'm trying to tune
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[02:06:35] TheMaze: one thing that has me very perplexed is when I go through the myth setup, there's a device ID
[02:06:45] TheMaze: which seems to indicate it should be 0 for local cards, and RTP for network cards
[02:06:55] TheMaze: if I set it to 0, myth indicates that no tuners are found when I try and watch live TV
[02:07:08] TheMaze: if I set it to rtp, it tries to work, but doesn't actually work or issue the tune
[02:07:17] TheMaze: I've been literally at this for 10 hours and am completely stumped
[02:07:29] TheMaze: I'm a myth noob, but I see nothing that looks like a tune in the myth logs, either
[02:07:37] TheMaze: any thoughts/ideas/anything?
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[02:43:51] skd5aner: TheMaze: no idea, but is your cablecard activated correctly?
[02:44:25] skd5aner: TheMaze: honestly, you might have better luck asking on the mailing list, I'm not sure I know offhand of many ceton users that hang out in here
[02:44:48] skd5aner: but there's pretty good info on the list
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[04:24:59] TheMaze: skd5aner, cablecard is activated and works fine in windows on same infinitv
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[04:25:04] TheMaze: thanks though
[04:27:16] Twiggy2cents: does htdigest have the same capabilities as htpasswd (as far as the options available for authenticating)
[04:28:21] Twiggy2cents: More so, before I reformatted my backend I had it so that it required auth from all computers except 1 specific IP that did not. Now adding "allow 192.168.1.145" isnt working for that
[04:38:43] Shadow__X: does airplay within mythfrontend work on windows?
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[04:55:17] tank-man: why use airplay if you don't have a mac?
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[05:19:50] Shadow__X: what?
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[07:06:20] Dr{Who}: Seeing stutter or pause a few seconds after every show ends. I have tried turnning off barriers on every partition. I now have my live tv device as an SSD I am not sure what else to look for at this point. Suggestions? My live video is from a hdhomerun prime with an mcard. I am running v0.24.2
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[07:43:59] lautriv: Dr{Who}, you know SSD has limited write count ? it'll die shortly if you use it for live-tv.............does the stutter only happen on the end of a show )
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[08:17:48] Dr{Who}: lautriv: yes I am aware I fully expect to kill it someday. http://www.storagereview.com/ssd_performance_ . . . 70tb_written I am using this drive.
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[08:23:03] TheMaze__: that review would have been interesting if it weren't for the FW update – IMHO that invalidates the results
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[08:26:39] Dr{Who}: the first thing I did when I got it was update to the latest firmware so my tests should be clean. Im writing an average of 20KB/s so 1.8g per day
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[08:27:35] TheMaze__: at that rate, I would expect it to take at least 5 years to kill
[08:27:37] TheMaze__: likely longer
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[08:29:27] Dr{Who}: Should be interesting. Just wished it had fixed my hourly stutter. I think its a little better but only slightly so the problem must be someplace other than disk io. Sure wish they stayed with the circular buffer.
[08:30:28] Dr{Who}: but im not sure anymore where the problem is so I guess I cant complain about that change.
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[08:36:08] peitolm: Dr{Who}: you might find it's when it goes from one "show" to another
[08:36:46] Dr{Who}: peitolm: it is. Exactly after each show ends. well like 1–2 min after
[08:36:56] peitolm: at the post-roll point
[08:37:23] peitolm: that's probably as it drains the 'current show' buffer and starts reading the next show
[08:37:50] peitolm: sounds like it's more an archecturaal vs system issue
[08:39:22] Dr{Who}: So others would see this too then and report it but I dont find much when I search for this issue other than barriers.
[08:40:40] Dr{Who}: Maybe I should change kernels if a thread is not getting enough time slice. I am running 3.1.0–1.2-desktop on opensuse 12.1
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[08:51:02] Dr{Who}: The mpeg stream from the hdhomerun prime seems steady. Looking over mrtg network stats for the eth0 interface for the past day and it looks steady.
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[08:56:32] ServerSage: Well lookie there, woot has a dual hdhomerun for $70.
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[09:10:30] Dr{Who}: hmm. just as the stutter happened I am seeing a lot of writes to my main disk. Wonder if this is some mysql heavy io bottleneck. I will move my mysql data to the sdd for the next test.
[09:11:18] Dr{Who}: does mythtv write anyplace else during a change in shows other than the db and the actual video file?
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[09:32:04] Dr{Who}: hmm that was better.
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[11:58:14] Jordack: Nice, HD HomeRun on Woot today.
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[12:38:16] k-man: Jordack, how much of a saving is it?
[12:39:47] Jordack: 70+5shipping on woot, everywhere else they are about 95.
[12:40:28] k-man: oh right
[12:40:42] k-man: we get slugged AU$169.95 for them over here
[12:40:49] k-man: for the .au model of course
[12:41:23] k-man: anyway, a $20 saving is nice for you guys
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[13:32:49] UForgotten: Jordack: I was going to give serious thought to it. I just got an HR PVR though. The HDHR only does digital qam so thats mainly just broacdast network afaik
[13:34:50] Jordack: yah, its digital only. and since cable company dont brodacast HD locals without a box its mostly terestrial digital. So hope you have an anttena and ing fiol wrap fot it :)
[13:35:06] Jordack: omg i cant type
[13:36:38] wagnerrp: doesnt broadcast the locals?
[13:36:47] wagnerrp: arent they mandated to by the FCC?
[13:36:55] UForgotten: yeah they have to transmit local channels in the clear
[13:37:17] UForgotten: its usually on some crazy random channel number though.
[13:37:46] wagnerrp: broadcast digital is usually on some crazy random channel number though
[13:38:16] UForgotten: which means I'd have to find a way to get a lineup that matched.
[13:38:16] mycosys: ahh the bastion of freedom lol
[13:38:20] wagnerrp: at least prior to the analog shutoff a couple years back, digital channels were always operating on some channel significantly different from what they were claiming
[13:38:53] wagnerrp: i.e. my local channel 9 was actually broadcasting on channel 35
[13:38:55] UForgotten: some of the more successful vhf channels were lucky enough to get their matching digital channel
[13:39:07] UForgotten: depends on $$ and local bandwidth :)
[13:39:29] wagnerrp: they would carry descriptors in the feed that would identify themselves as 9_1 and 9_2, but they were still on channel 35
[13:39:35] wagnerrp: because channel 9 itself was analog
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[13:42:08] k-man: i've somehow assigned the wrong show to a video wrt its meta data
[13:42:13] k-man: how do i fix it?
[13:42:30] wagnerrp: video or recording?
[13:44:09] k-man: a video
[13:44:22] wagnerrp: highlight it, press 'e'
[13:44:37] k-man: hehe
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[13:44:45] k-man: not sure i have e mapped on my remote
[13:44:53] wagnerrp: alternatively, press 'i', go into the metadata options, reset the details, and press 'w'
[13:45:21] wagnerrp: alternatively, use the download option in the metadata options in place of 'w'
[13:45:53] k-man: ah, reset details – thanks
[13:47:35] k-man: is there some way to see the extension of the video?
[13:47:44] wagnerrp: nope
[13:48:07] k-man: ok thanks wagnerrp
[13:51:39] k-man: can i retreive metadata for multiple videos on one hit?
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[13:52:09] wagnerrp: i believe its in the 'm' menu
[13:52:24] wagnerrp: it will only run on videos not previously processed
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[13:52:36] wagnerrp: you can configure this to run automatically after a scan
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[13:53:55] Kermi: hi there, long time mythbuntu user. I rebooted yesterday, and now one of my HD PCI cards won't recognize in the backend as an HD (DVB) card. I can see the card if I try to set it up as analog, though. I have no idea what to try, I have rebooted a couple different times already.
[13:54:41] wagnerrp: check `dmesg`, see if there are any reported errors in trying to load the driver
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[13:55:38] Kermi: [ 14.150429] cx88[0]/2: dvb_register failed (err = -22)
[13:55:39] Kermi: [ 14.150431] cx88[0]/2: cx8802 probe failed, err = -22
[13:55:39] Kermi: [ 14.155041] cx88[0]/0: registered device video2 [v4l2]
[13:55:39] Kermi: [ 14.155073] cx88[0]/0: registered device vbi2
[13:55:39] Kermi: [ 14.165184] ivtv0: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (376836 bytes)
[13:56:56] Kermi: but I also see earlier where it appears to have loaded it correctly
[13:57:28] Kermi: [ 13.845089] cx88/2: cx2388x MPEG-TS Driver Manager version 0.0.8 loaded
[13:57:28] Kermi: [ 13.845127] cx88[0]/2: cx2388x 8802 Driver Manager
[13:57:28] Kermi: [ 13.845145] cx88-mpeg driver manager 0000:05:02.2: PCI INT A -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
[13:57:28] Kermi: [ 13.845153] cx88[0]/2: found at 0000:05:02.2, rev: 5, irq: 18, latency: 64, mmio: 0xfd000000
[13:57:28] Kermi: [ 13.848069] cx18–0: FW version: 0.0.74.0 (Release 2007/03/12)
[13:57:29] Kermi: [ 13.848568] cx88/2: cx2388x dvb driver version 0.0.8 loaded
[13:57:33] Kermi: [ 13.848571] cx88/2: registering cx8802 driver, type: dvb access: shared
[13:57:35] Kermi: [ 13.848575] cx88[0]/2: subsystem: 18ac:d500, board: DViCO FusionHDTV 5 Gold [card=31]
[13:57:37] wagnerrp: still going then?
[13:57:37] Kermi: [ 13.848578] cx88[0]/2: cx2388x based DVB/ATSC card
[13:57:39] Kermi: [ 13.848580] cx8802_alloc_frontends() allocating 1 frontend(s)
[13:57:41] Kermi: [ 13.849344] cx88/0: cx2388x v4l2 driver version 0.0.8 loaded
[13:57:43] Kermi: [ 13.849389] cx8800 0000:05:02.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
[13:57:45] Kermi: [ 13.849397] cx88[0]/0: found at 0000:05:02.0, rev: 5, irq: 18, latency: 64, mmio: 0xf7000000
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[13:58:30] Kermi has been kicked from #mythtv-users by wagnerrp!~wagnerrp_@mythtv/developer/wagnerrp (Kermi)
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[13:59:27] Kermi: Why did I get kicked, please?
[13:59:39] wagnerrp: just a kick, not a ban, to stop you from flooding the channel
[14:00:00] lautriv: since 0.25 my screens are much too bright, looks like it comes from the tuner (input-stream-settings) itself. did something in defaults change ?
[14:00:08] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o wagnerrp
[14:00:23] Kermi: no warnings?
[14:00:31] wagnerrp: freenode puts in rate limiters that go into effect after a couple lines
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[14:00:55] Kermi: Again, a warning would have been very helpful
[14:01:00] wagnerrp: so more than a couple lines and youre stuck unable to do anything else for tens or possibly hundreds of seconds, until that all flushes though
[14:01:04] Kermi: I am not here trying to be rude
[14:01:17] Kermi: I'm simply looking for help
[14:01:18] wagnerrp: if you were flooding, a warning would be of no use
[14:01:25] wagnerrp: as the damage would already be done
[14:01:28] Kermi: Was i flooding? 2 little pastes
[14:01:32] lautriv: Kermi, a question of etiquette, not only in this channel.
[14:01:48] wagnerrp: yes, channel rules say no more than two lines at a time
[14:01:54] Kermi: lautriv, I haev been in IRC's before, pasted before, and never been kicked
[14:01:59] quicksilver: kicking on flood is not a punishment or an insult
[14:02:08] quicksilver: it's simply a technical response to stop the flood
[14:02:17] quicksilver: you rejoin afterwards and use a paste site.
[14:02:23] wagnerrp: Kermi: as i said, freenode limits message rates
[14:02:32] lautriv: Kermi, imagine how it would be if all do so.
[14:02:36] Kermi: Well, I would agree with that, quicksilver, if it weren't for a memeber going to channel op and kicking me before warning me privately
[14:02:40] wagnerrp: after a few lines, freenode starts slowly trickling in the rest of your message
[14:02:42] Kermi: anyway, can someone just help me?
[14:03:04] quicksilver: Kermi: there would be no point warning you; if you have sent 100 lines you cannot recall them.
[14:03:09] wagnerrp: with no idea how long you were going to go, the proper think is to kick to stop the rest of it from coming in
[14:03:12] UForgotten: Kermi: use pastebin, its common courtesy.
[14:03:12] quicksilver: and we can't tell how much you have send until it arrives
[14:03:21] wagnerrp: as mentioned, it was not a ban, just a kick to stop the flood
[14:03:22] quicksilver: it could be 500 lines or 1000.
[14:03:33] Kermi: It was 10 or less, I'm not stupid
[14:03:37] Kermi: can someone please just help me?
[14:03:49] wagnerrp: it was enough to trigger freenode's rate limiter
[14:03:58] Kermi: jesus
[14:04:06] lautriv: Kermi, that paste from early startup or was the machine up for a certain time ?
[14:04:13] wagnerrp: in any case.... do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0?
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[14:04:26] Kermi: lautriv, it was a clean reboot
[14:04:57] Kermi: wagnerrp, i have 2 DVB cards and 2 S-video cards and a wifi card on my PCI slots
[14:05:22] wagnerrp: then you should have two folders in /dev/dvb, one for each digital input
[14:05:37] wagnerrp: and theyre ATSC devices, using Linux's DVB subsystem
[14:06:08] wagnerrp: a "DVB card" is technically one that can access some blend of DVB (-T, -T2, -C, -S, -S2)
[14:06:26] wagnerrp: terrestrial, cable, satellite, used in europe and australia
[14:06:36] Kermi: I only have one folder in /dev/dvb
[14:06:51] wagnerrp: how many /dev/video<n> nodes?
[14:07:02] Kermi: I just think of them as dvb since that is how they are listed in the system, i guess
[14:07:17] wagnerrp: well its just a point of clarity
[14:07:32] wagnerrp: you tell people you are using DVB cards, and they will ask why you have DVB cards in the US
[14:07:35] Kermi: I have video 0, video 1, video 2, and 24,25, 32, and 33
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[14:07:52] Kermi: and btw, here is my paste bin http://pastebin.com/u54CsMbk
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[14:08:16] wagnerrp: so your PVR-150s are both showing up as video0/1, and one of your dvico cards is showing up as /dev/dvb/adapter0 and /dev/video2
[14:08:23] Kermi: yup
[14:08:27] wagnerrp: so for whatever reason, your system is not detecting that second dvico card at all
[14:08:40] Kermi: well.. i have a dvico card and a hauppauge 1600
[14:09:07] Kermi: hauppauge 1600 = 150 + a samsung ATSC card
[14:09:12] Kermi: it's a dual tuner
[14:09:21] wagnerrp: 32-bit linux?
[14:09:33] Kermi: in myth's backend I'm seeing the samsung" but not the Dvico
[14:09:38] lautriv: wagnerrp, i got not the whole context and have also to go but from what i've seen it looks like something was claimed before (double-usage)
[14:09:41] Kermi: yes, 32-bit ubuntu 11
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[14:09:59] wagnerrp: nvidia graphics card?
[14:10:04] Kermi: wagnerrp, yes
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[14:10:30] Kermi: I tried pulling the wifi card to see if that woudl release a resource, but no change
[14:10:31] wagnerrp: you dont have enough kernel memory allocated to load both the -1600 and nvidia graphics drivers
[14:10:42] wagnerrp: chances are the dvico has a samsung tuner too
[14:10:43] devinheitmueller: add vmalloc=64M to the kernel init.
[14:10:48] Kermi: wagnerrp, it worked yesterday, last week, adn the day month before that
[14:10:49] wagnerrp: or reinstall with 64-bit
[14:11:31] lautriv: wagnerrp, will you be here in approx. 5h ?
[14:11:35] Kermi: devinheitmueller, i already have the vmalloc in the boot
[14:11:39] wagnerrp: possibly
[14:11:42] wagnerrp: try adding more
[14:11:42] devinheitmueller: ok.
[14:11:46] lautriv: wagnerrp, thanks, laters.........
[14:11:50] wagnerrp: or pastebin the full dmesg
[14:13:06] Kermi: is it possible to pastebin a text file?
[14:13:14] Kermi: the full dmesg scrolls too far
[14:13:22] wagnerrp: see pastebinit or other similar utilities
[14:13:37] wagnerrp: 'dmesg | pastebinit'
[14:13:49] wagnerrp: pumps one into the other, and onto pastebin.com
[14:14:30] Kermi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/975823/
[14:14:32] Kermi: thanks
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[14:15:32] bradd: anyone using iso-play.sh to play bluray isos? quick question on the setup..
[14:16:21] wagnerrp: why not just unpack them to BDMV folders and play directly?
[14:16:38] bradd: that is an option
[14:17:05] bradd: i guess
[14:18:06] wagnerrp: anyway, chance are slim youll find someone who uses it, but ask your question
[14:18:09] devinheitmueller: Kermi: looks like it's the dvico card that is screwed up.
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[14:18:19] devinheitmueller: [ 14.150421] lgdt330x: i2c_read_demod_bytes: addr 0x0e select 0x02 error (ret == -6) [ 14.150425] cx88[0]/2: frontend initialization failed
[14:18:32] devinheitmueller: The HVR-1600 appears to have initialized properly and everything looks fine.
[14:18:36] bradd: just wondering when setting up external players..does %s represent the storage group file location?
[14:18:53] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller: i dont see any mention of the -1600 at all, just the two -150s
[14:19:09] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: search for "HVR-1600"
[14:19:13] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: all the cx18 lines are for the 1600.
[14:19:21] wagnerrp: bradd: myth://Videos@hostname:port/relative/path/to/file.iso
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[14:19:35] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: the cx88 is the dvico board, and ivtv is the pvr-150.
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[14:20:00] wagnerrp: oh, i was looking at cx18 and ignoring that as the -150s
[14:20:02] bradd: yea..trying to figure out how to represent the local file instead of the storage group
[14:20:20] bradd: but ill just create a folder and copy the files off the iso
[14:20:21] bradd: easier
[14:20:26] bradd: didnt think of that thanks
[14:20:45] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: yeah, the pvr-150 is the "ivtv" driver.
[14:21:06] wagnerrp: bradd: a quick bit of python would discover the full path
[14:21:36] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller: just a bit of similar number confusion... 23418 for the -1600, 23416 for the -150s
[14:21:49] Kermi: devinheitmueller, I agree, it's the dvico that is showing up as a video instead of dvb like I need
[14:22:19] Kermi: the thing is, just yesterday everything was fine. I rebooted for another reason, and it stopped working
[14:22:22] devinheitmueller: Kermi: I would imagine the dvico would probably have both video and dvb entries.
[14:22:38] Kermi: devinheitmueller, it never has before
[14:22:42] devinheitmueller: ok
[14:22:57] Kermi: and by the way, i've had the dvico for over 5 years
[14:23:10] ** Kermi wasn't joking about being a long time myth user **
[14:23:21] devinheitmueller: Maybe they just never got the board profile setup properly for the dvico board to do analog video.
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[14:25:34] Kermi: so... any thoughts on how to fix this?
[14:25:44] devinheitmueller: Kermi: you might want to try dropping the dvico board into a Windows box and see if it works at all. It could be the hardware just died.
[14:26:08] Kermi: devinheitmueller, I don't own a windoze box
[14:26:09] devinheitmueller: ... or did it stop working when you upgraded something (such as the kernel)?
[14:26:45] devinheitmueller: If you haven't upgraded the kernel or changed anything else and it just stopped working, then you probably have hardware that died.
[14:26:50] Kermi: devinheitmueller, I upgraded my router, actually, and rebooted when i shut down to add a wifi card. I have tried removing the wifi card to get the dvico back, and it is the same
[14:27:22] Kermi: and no, i didn't touch the dvico card, and yes, I grounded myself and turned off the power
[14:27:26] wagnerrp: you only have the one computer? no remote frontends?
[14:27:26] ** Kermi crosses her eyes **
[14:27:37] Kermi: I have remote frontends, they run linux
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[14:27:50] Kermi: my laptop runs linux, my tablet runs android...
[14:27:51] wagnerrp: hopefully wired, rather than over that wifi link?
[14:27:54] devinheitmueller: Yeah, sounds like a hardware problem. Try reseating the card, and if you cannot validate the card under Windows then you are SOL.
[14:27:58] Kermi: you get the idea
[14:28:12] devinheitmueller: meeting. bbl.
[14:28:24] Kermi: wagnerrp, I have a high speed wifi N running around here, it generally plays just fine on the frontends
[14:30:12] Kermi: when I do watch HD stuff, I generally watch it on the combined backend/frontend, so the wifi isn't an issue for speed with streaming
[14:30:21] wagnerrp: well N is pretty much minimum, G is barely sufficient for a single ATSC channel if there is no noise to cause dropouts
[14:30:29] wagnerrp: but i wouldnt go so far as to call it "high speed"
[14:30:46] Kermi: I'm getting over 300Mbs with it
[14:31:01] Kermi: but as I said, I rarely stream the ATSC channels
[14:31:14] wagnerrp: connection speed or measured throughput/
[14:31:26] Kermi: connection speed
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[14:32:23] Kermi: well, I guess I will shut down and remove one of the 150's and the wifi card and see if things work
[14:32:35] Kermi: I really don't believe the card chose my reboot yesterday to suddenly die
[14:32:43] Kermi: especially since dmesg is still seeing it
[14:33:01] wagnerrp: those are all PCI devices, meaning a fairly old motherboard?
[14:33:14] wagnerrp: nevermind, dmesg said a C2Q
[14:33:25] Kermi: yup, it's a quad core running on an asus P5K
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[14:33:33] wagnerrp: usually by then, manufacturers had the IRQ issues ironed out
[14:34:12] wagnerrp: i was thinking more an old AthXP or P4 could be seeing IRQ issues
[14:34:16] Kermi: I would have thought so, but...
[14:34:23] Kermi: yeah, it's not THAT old
[14:34:29] Kermi: just old by gaming standards, I guess
[14:34:41] ** Kermi giggles **
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[14:35:33] wagnerrp: gaming standards? everyone is pushing towards ARMs with every bit as much computational power as this P3 laptop im using as a dumb X terminal
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[14:52:30] Kermi: wagnerrp, removing the extra 150 card solved it, both ATSC cards are working now
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[14:55:33] wagnerrp: funky...
[14:55:48] wagnerrp: may be fixable just by re-arranging the order of the cards
[14:55:53] Kermi: yeah, a bit... and rather frustrating, if you ask me
[14:56:42] Kermi: it was/is nice to have 2 analogs at the same time, but I need the two antennas worse
[14:56:43] wagnerrp: or if you still need all those inputs, pick up a HDHR, or PCIe tuner
[14:56:59] wagnerrp: three (-1600 has one more)
[14:57:27] Kermi: I have 2 antenna (DVico and the 1600) and one cable (the 1600)
[14:57:33] Kermi: I removed my extra 150 card
[14:57:37] wagnerrp: or if youve got an old spare machine lying about, throw a few tuners in there as a slave backend, and let the master backend start it up and shit it down as necessary
[14:57:49] Kermi: just yesterday I had 2 cable and 2 antenna working
[14:57:52] wagnerrp: no, i mean the -1600 has separate inputs for analog and digital
[14:58:05] wagnerrp: so you had three analog cable inputs, but were only using two
[14:58:47] wagnerrp: and its a real dual tuner, capable of using both simultaneously, unlike the hybrid dvico
[14:58:55] Kermi: no, I only ever had 2 analog cable
[14:59:16] wagnerrp: you have two -150s and a -1600, correct?
[14:59:25] Kermi: nope, just 1 of each
[14:59:39] wagnerrp: ooohh.... ok
[14:59:43] wagnerrp: hence my confusion
[15:00:09] Kermi: sorry
[15:00:21] Kermi: um.. now my upcoming recordings is empty
[15:00:30] ** Kermi thumps her head on her desk **
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[15:01:12] wagnerrp: you could pick up an -1800/1850, the pcie card shouldnt conflict with the others
[15:01:40] wagnerrp: or a -2250 would work, but it only has the one RF input, so if youre plugging the RG6 cable directly into the analog inputs, it wouldnt be of use
[15:02:10] wagnerrp: empty upcoming recordings typically comes from some kind of file permissions
[15:02:22] wagnerrp: either mythtv cannot access the tuners, or cannot write to the storage
[15:02:27] Kermi: !!NoTrans: Invalid argument supplied for foreach()!!
[15:02:37] wagnerrp: well thats just mythweb
[15:03:02] wagnerrp: make sure youre using php 5.3
[15:03:27] Kermi: ok.. again.. it worked yesterday, last week, the month before, and I haven't updated any software
[15:03:34] ** Kermi crosses her eyes **
[15:03:40] Kermi: and it's more than just mythweb
[15:05:04] wagnerrp: backend logs?
[15:05:56] ** wagnerrp goes in search for a DMM, in order to figure out why a DMM isnt turning on **
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[15:15:37] jm|laptop: hello :)
[15:15:46] jm|laptop: what was the rationale behind a maximum of 5 'virtual' tuners?
[15:16:09] jm|laptop: if the tuner is on USB2 and the disks are on a fast SATA interface
[15:16:29] jm|laptop: might that not be capable of >5?
[15:17:19] wagnerrp: capacity limit on the hardware PID filters found on older tuners
[15:18:10] wagnerrp: there was good reason for it at one point... now, perhaps not as much
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[15:21:51] wagnerrp: jm|laptop: note that its not actually a real limit
[15:22:00] wagnerrp: just a soft limit imposed by the UI
[15:22:04] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: in that it can be set in the db
[15:22:06] jm|laptop: yes I see.
[15:22:20] jm|laptop: would I be crazy and deranged for trying 8 on a DVB-T2 dongle?
[15:22:30] wagnerrp: that i dont know
[15:22:55] jm|laptop: server is quite high spec for a backend
[15:23:08] jm|laptop: dual core 2.8GHz 4GB sata disks. I guess I just try it and see :)
[15:23:16] wagnerrp: i really dont know much about that area of the code
[15:23:38] jm|laptop: It would take all for HD channels to recorded subsequent programmes to Make It Happen anyway, which is quite rare
[15:23:43] wagnerrp: if you ARE going to do it, dont go tinkering in the database
[15:23:52] jm|laptop: oh
[15:24:01] wagnerrp: change the spinbox in the mythtv-setup code and recompile
[15:24:11] jm|laptop: otay :)
[15:24:21] wagnerrp: thats the only place the limit exists, the limits placed on that UI control
[15:41:35] skd5aner: actually, someone told me that the limit on virtual tuners was associted with the exponential overhead too many virtual tuners can place on the scheduler
[15:41:46] skd5aner: not sure how true that is
[15:43:45] wagnerrp: im guessing its more linear overhead
[15:44:05] wagnerrp: since its not like mythtv intelligently selects what tuner to put it on to maximize the recording potential
[15:44:12] wagnerrp: it just runs down the list until it finds one it can use
[15:44:25] wagnerrp: more virtual tuners just means a longer list
[15:45:17] sphery: according to gnome42 and jannau, it was non-linear
[15:45:26] sphery: and the increase after 5 was huge (and the benefit was tiny)
[15:46:11] sphery: the problem is that the virtual tuners are limited as to which channels they can record by what's already in use on the physical tuner, so it's different from just adding new physical tuners
[15:46:46] sphery: if you really want, I'll give you quotes from #mythtv (it was before logging in that channel)
[15:47:30] wagnerrp: the benefit then may have been limited
[15:48:24] wagnerrp: the benefit now? Mux 1 has 10 channels, Mux A has 13 channels, Mux C has 10 channels, Mux D has 8 channels
[15:48:48] wagnerrp: and tack on overlap for back-to-back recordings
[15:48:50] sphery: not sure what you're saying?
[15:48:56] wagnerrp: english freeview
[15:49:12] wagnerrp: they shovel a crapton of SD channels onto their muxes
[15:49:22] sphery: you're saying that they changed and now broadcast more?
[15:49:29] sphery: anyway, I still say the benefit is limited
[15:49:30] TheMaze: has anyone configured a Ceton InfiniTV in myth? I'm stumped
[15:49:32] wagnerrp: thats my guess
[15:49:45] sphery: limited to only some providers of crappy video or radio channels
[15:49:45] wagnerrp: now whether all those channels on a mux are actually worth recording... likely not
[15:49:55] sphery: and much easier (and better performance) to get new tuners :)
[15:50:15] sphery: if you really need to record 6+ channels from a single mux
[15:50:30] sphery: contiguously, that is (who does that anyway?)
[15:50:35] wagnerrp: i.e. channel 4 and ITV, plus their +1 (1 hour time shifted) are on the same mux
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[15:50:50] wagnerrp: clearly there should be no reason to ever record the timeshifted versions
[15:51:04] sphery: anyway, if we remove the limit, someone else can explain why people's systems can't cope
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[15:51:42] sphery: because a /lot/ of users will just set it to MOAR TUNERZ! because more is better, right?
[15:52:18] sphery: then again, changing it so that only someone who knows what they're doing can pick an appropriate value would fit well with most of the rest of our settings
[15:52:36] wagnerrp: we could remove the virtual tuner configuration entirely, modify it so you only have the one database entry
[15:52:50] wagnerrp: and let the scheduler scale itself dynamically based off how long it takes to perform a scheduler run
[15:53:08] sphery: that would be nice, but lots of changes to the scheduler
[15:53:25] sphery: I will admit the current approach is far from ideal--as it's completely different from how other tuners work
[15:53:26] wagnerrp: true, but it would give us a nice out
[15:53:40] sphery: (meaning internally it's creating cards that shouldn't exist)
[15:53:48] sphery: only inputs should exist
[15:53:49] wagnerrp: why cant you record more things simultaneously? the scheduler decided your CPU is crap
[15:53:53] wagnerrp: :)
[15:53:56] sphery: hehe
[15:55:12] wagnerrp: replace CPU with configuration and/or filesystem and/or hard drive as necessary
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[15:55:44] earthw0rm: Hi
[15:56:21] earthw0rm: I'm about to install on my new Myth server, I was wondering if it's worth giving a partition to /var/lib or /var/lib/mysql?
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[15:58:30] wagnerrp: any chance you might otherwise fill the partition and crash your database?
[15:58:56] jm|laptop: I can't find the .cpp file anyway :/
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[15:59:17] earthw0rm: Does MythTV put a lot of stuff into the DB?
[15:59:52] wagnerrp: mythtv stores everything in the DB
[15:59:59] sphery: all configuration and data about the recording files
[16:00:00] wagnerrp: but everything amounts to a few hundred MB for most systems
[16:00:15] wagnerrp: everything but the content itself
[16:00:16] sphery: wagnerrp: do you run optimize_mythdb.pl?
[16:00:21] earthw0rm: That's not too bad then
[16:00:27] wagnerrp: not frequently, no
[16:00:39] earthw0rm: If I gave it a few GB I'd be okay then ...
[16:01:00] wagnerrp: why do you want your mysql server on a different partition?
[16:01:02] sphery: you said you had entries from way before 2 weeks ago, too, in the log file?
[16:01:10] sphery: er, log table
[16:01:34] earthw0rm: I was thinking if I upgrade to Fedora 18 when it comes out, I can just do a fresh install to the / partition
[16:01:35] wagnerrp: sphery: on my debug system
[16:01:56] earthw0rm: But, if MythTV needs what's in the database, I'd screw up all my recorded files
[16:01:57] wagnerrp: right, but what would having the mysql server on a separate partition get you?
[16:02:07] sphery: wonder if your debug system had a bad housekeeping tag?
[16:02:10] sphery: had/has?
[16:02:20] wagnerrp: anything i can check?
[16:02:41] earthw0rm: wagnerrp: I wouldn't loose it's contents when I format /
[16:02:47] sphery: select * from housekeeping; and take a look at time for the log cleanup tag (whatever it's called)
[16:03:12] wagnerrp: sphery: the question was less one of why there are logs dating back three months, and more why some 8000 entries in the log table amounted to ~5GB of storage
[16:03:21] earthw0rm: I could get a clean install but keep everything in the database
[16:03:22] sphery: yeah
[16:03:24] wagnerrp: oh, its entirely possible ive not actually run the backend in that long
[16:03:45] sphery: in theory, it will reuse space--just like it does for program, etc.
[16:03:52] wagnerrp: earthw0rm: dont see how the database being on a separate partition would make any difference
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[16:04:05] sphery: so not sure what happened
[16:04:24] wagnerrp: considering any time you change the database software, you should export all your databases to a dump file, and then import them fresh under the new server
[16:05:04] sphery: (export before changing the database software, that is :)
[16:05:19] wagnerrp: standard practice is not to perform binary updates
[16:05:27] sphery: just like you should export before making major changes to configuration
[16:05:37] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[16:05:56] earthw0rm: So normal Fedora updates wouldn't update the DB version?
[16:06:12] wagnerrp: and you should export just for good measure
[16:06:28] sphery: yes
[16:06:28] wagnerrp: speaking of which, i need to get my cron script for that set up again
[16:06:45] earthw0rm: Oh right, well I suppose in that case there's no need to try and keep the database files separate
[16:08:20] earthw0rm: More room for media files  :)
[16:08:33] wagnerrp: huh?
[16:08:57] wagnerrp: media files arent stored on the same disk as your database
[16:09:04] wagnerrp: at least not in a sensible installation
[16:09:12] jm|laptop: wagnerrp: any idea where that spinbox /is/ in the source?!
[16:09:47] earthw0rm: wagnerrp: I was going to use a small 4th disk for database files, but it can just be another media one
[16:09:51] earthw0rm: Where do you lot keep any music or photo files?
[16:10:03] wagnerrp: if i had to guess, it would be somewhere in mythtv/libs/libmythtv
[16:10:16] wagnerrp: earthw0rm: a separate hardware RAID6 array
[16:10:47] earthw0rm: Okay, mine are going to have to go on the same machine somewhere ...
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[16:11:05] wagnerrp: separate from the OS disk, its all still in the same machine
[16:11:18] earthw0rm: Would they go in /home/mythtvuser/music or something?
[16:11:34] wagnerrp: specifically, the OS disk is just a pair of 320GB sata drives, z-mirrored
[16:12:11] jm|laptop: . o O ( videosource.cpp )
[16:12:15] wagnerrp: and between the host, home directory contents, various server data, multiple generations of jails for assorted purposes, and the boot images for several frontends, theres simply no room left on there for any significant amount of content
[16:12:56] wagnerrp: actually, im running 80% full on it currently, and clearing stuff out
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[16:13:44] earthw0rm: Could I put my music files in the /video partition?
[16:13:59] sphery: So, gotta say that I've now found a good use for twitter and facebook. Since they're becoming the main focus of criminals who previously overloaded inboxes with spam, they become great e-mail spam solutions. And since I don't have a twitter or facebook account, they're basically keeping the spam away from me.
[16:14:24] earthw0rm: sphery: :D
[16:14:40] wagnerrp: earthw0rm: /video partition?
[16:14:53] sphery: earthw0rm: you can have it on that partition, but don't put the music directory (or any of its parent directories) into the videos storage group and vice versa
[16:14:59] wagnerrp: why are you still partitioning stuff?
[16:15:05] sphery: i.e. don't let the video/music scanner pick up the wrong stuff
[16:15:30] earthw0rm: sphery: I see
[16:15:32] wagnerrp: and for recordings, never record to the root of a partition
[16:16:56] earthw0rm: I've got 4 hard drives in there, one is going to have / /boot and swap on it and is 300GB, then I've got two 3TB disks which will be /media1 and /media2 then I've got a 4th 300GB one
[16:17:13] earthw0rm: The media ones will be for MythTV to record onto
[16:18:07] earthw0rm: That was the plan anyway ...
[16:18:29] earthw0rm: I'm just wondering where my existing media now fits into this scheme (music, photos, video)
[16:18:30] wagnerrp: i wonder if data compression would make cacti faster or slower in accessing 2.5GB of RRD files
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[16:20:39] wagnerrp: oh! those arent the rrd files, thats just the poller log
[16:20:41] wagnerrp: wow
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[16:24:01] jarle: In 0.25 (using mythcenter theme) I see that some recordings are marked with a yellow colour in the list of recordings. What does this mean? Recordings marked in green colour are ongoing recordings.
[16:24:22] wagnerrp: yellow means significant errors detected
[16:25:32] CiaranG: Whoops, I'd made loads of hacks to the python bindings to get mythvidexport.py working properly, then I just overwrote them with an apt-get update
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[16:28:21] wagnerrp: should be no hacks needed to get it working
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[16:36:06] pyrodex: cacti poller log is huge if your don't roll it or have higher than normal debugging.
[16:36:30] wagnerrp: yeah, two years of it complaining about invalid data from one of the hosts
[16:36:45] pyrodex: lol thats bad
[16:38:27] wagnerrp: oh way to go thunderbird
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[16:38:52] wagnerrp: "checking for viruses" in a text file after word pad already finished opening it
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[16:43:31] wagnerrp: any mythbuntu users about?
[16:44:09] wagnerrp: or anyone that knows what the default recording path is set to in mythbuntu?
[16:45:58] tgm4883: wagnerrp, /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/
[16:46:24] wagnerrp: ah, thanks
[16:47:48] wagnerrp: sphery: amusingly, most of my spam these past few weeks has been people warning me of something scandalous posted about me on facebook
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[16:56:21] CiaranG: wagnerrp: Loads of hacks, all metadata-related
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[16:57:05] CiaranG: Just about to eat, but when I re-hack them later I'll tell you what they are if you're interested
[16:57:46] wagnerrp: as far as 0.25 is concerned, the only change needed (from the version on github) is to comment lines 118–129
[16:58:02] wagnerrp: although thats to work around an issue i need to fix in the bindings
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[16:59:23] CiaranG: Yeah, I guess that's one way of making it work – lose the metadata altogether
[16:59:33] wagnerrp: not at all
[16:59:38] CiaranG: I didn't want to lose it, I then end up with a directory full of stuff I have to reclassify
[16:59:40] wagnerrp: just discard the new metadata
[16:59:49] wagnerrp: and perform the same lookup it always did
[17:00:16] CiaranG: Hmm, I don't think it worked out that way for me when I tried it
[17:00:19] Hoochster: wagnerrp, sorry for not reading back, just curious what the comment about the only changes needed are in lines 118–129 are about?
[17:00:35] CiaranG: What I probably did was a very sucky hacky version of what you intend to do with the bindings
[17:00:43] Hoochster: I just recently upgraded to 0.25 and 12.04 Ubuntu and having some issues heh so starting to research it
[17:00:48] CiaranG: I'll try it again your way later though, to see what I did wrong, thanks
[17:00:56] wagnerrp: i dont recall off hand what the problem is exactly
[17:01:09] wagnerrp: its something wrong with the Recorded.exportMetadata() call
[17:01:22] Hoochster: something that hasn't been ported to packages yet?
[17:01:26] wagnerrp: that is preventing mythvidexport from pulling the existing information from the recording
[17:01:29] CiaranG: Yep, that rings a bell. Several things wrong
[17:01:32] wagnerrp: something unrelated to packages
[17:01:35] Hoochster: k
[17:01:37] Hoochster: nm then heh
[17:01:51] Hoochster: my issues are something else going on but I don't have enuf info to ask quesitons about yet heh
[17:02:05] Hoochster: basically myth is locking up and causing kernel dumps in the syslog
[17:02:19] Hoochster: and having to hard power down to get things back and works for bout 12 hours then rinse and repeat heh
[17:02:49] CiaranG: wagnerrp: If/when you do come to look at it, you'll find it a lot easier with this fix first... https://github.com/CiaranG/mythtv/commit/895a . . . 2ca96e86f4b5
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[17:02:58] wagnerrp: is it kernel dumping? or is it listing core dump messages in syslog?
[17:03:07] wagnerrp: two very very different things
[17:03:13] Hoochster: sorry yes core dump stuff
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[17:03:42] wagnerrp: i think i may have fixed that independently
[17:03:54] Hoochster: talking to me or CiaranG ?
[17:04:32] wagnerrp: seems not
[17:04:41] wagnerrp: i remember coming across something like that in the past few weeks
[17:04:46] wagnerrp: but i dont recall where exactly
[17:05:08] Hoochster: wagnerrp, starts off with stuff like this:
[17:05:09] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089331] INFO: task mythbackend:4498 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[17:05:10] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089336] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
[17:05:10] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089339] mythbackend D ffffffff81806240 0 4498 2427 0x00000000
[17:05:49] Hoochster: but I honestly haven't dug into the myth logs yet so I understand I need to research a little more
[17:07:30] Hoochster: did find some stuff in the mythbackend log that was having trouble deleting expired recordings due to permissions, so I looked and some stuff had sshd for the user but mythtv for the group, so changed all that so will see if it had any correlation maybe some buffer was overfilling
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[17:18:18] jm|laptop: how stupid am I for wondering if I can create 'dummy' invisible channel entries with the callsign of legacy (i.e. now renumbered but still in recorded) channels?
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[17:18:45] jm|laptop: #5644 #5644 12:00:00 – 01:00:00 e.g.
[17:18:45] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5644 **
[17:18:45] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5644 **
[17:18:52] jm|laptop: whoops.
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[17:46:42] sphery: jm|laptop: better, assuming those old recordings from a previous provider are ones you plan to keep, would be to move them to the Video Library, which is designed for long-term archival of large video collections
[17:46:58] sphery: otherwise, just ignore the #1234 for channel and watch and delete
[17:46:58] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1234 **
[17:47:14] jm|laptop: sphery: okay. Thanks.
[17:48:29] sphery: in other words, the channel information probably isn't the important part/reason for keeping it, and is only incorrect because you still have the video in an area meant for recordings from your current channels :)
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[18:21:49] Hoochster: are there more reports of 0.25 and nvidia? current driver not working well?
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[18:29:06] Kuhne: I can't seem to get my mythexport running. The daemon doesn't start and doesn't log anything to /var/log/mythtv/mythexport.log
[18:29:12] Kuhne: Anyone have any tips?
[18:29:25] Kuhne: I'm running mythbuntu with mythtv 0.25
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[18:29:58] tgm4883: rhpot1991, ^
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[18:30:26] tgm4883: Hoochster, 0.25 work fine for me on my Mythbuntu 11.10 machine
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[18:31:55] Hoochster: tgm4883, thanks for the reply. I am still trying to figure out if my diff issues are 0.25 or ubu 12.04. all was fine on 0.24.2 fixes and 11.10
[18:35:16] Kuhne: Hoochster, 0.25 on Mythbuntu 11.04 is working for me as well..
[18:35:27] Hoochster: thanks
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[18:35:40] Hoochster: thinking I just need to shove 12.04 in the trash and downgrade heh
[18:37:49] sphery: ah, the time-tested, "I'll make it a problem for the future," approach to problem solving
[18:38:00] Hoochster: lmao
[18:38:15] sphery: or, perhaps it's the, "I'll hope that something else will change such that I don't see the problem when I try again in the future" approach?
[18:38:28] Hoochster: well the time is that I have been fighting whatever is causing my grief for a week now, the waf is starting to deplete rapidly
[18:38:35] sphery: (which could happen--with nvidia drivers and all sorts of other stuff changing)
[18:38:42] Hoochster: I am just biting at nvidia
[18:38:48] Hoochster: I run all HDHR's for tuners
[18:38:58] Hoochster: and all was fine on 11.10 and 0.24.2 fixes
[18:39:01] sphery: yeah, could be that or changes in mythtv that require changes in your config or ...
[18:39:10] sphery: what specifically is "not working well"
[18:39:22] Hoochster: upgrade it all and now my Clear QAM channels are all pixelated and I am getting mythbackend crashes basically bout every 12 hours
[18:39:45] sphery: mythbackend crashes almost definitely aren't related to nvidia driver
[18:40:01] Hoochster: my Prime stuff looks fine but still getting the Kernel Core Traces and such every so often and only way to fix is to hard shutdown and reboot
[18:40:08] Hoochster: then works again for awhile then freaks again
[18:40:20] sphery: pixelated video is likely either a problem with your system config causing issues with decoding (i.e. slow I/O due to having the DB data on a file system with barriers enabled...)
[18:40:42] Hoochster: ya the nvidia drive I started biting at cuz if I set it to just a normal profile or opengl I still get pixelation but not NEAR as bad but if I set it to vdpau it is unwatchable
[18:40:53] sphery: or your playback profile group is set incorrectly--i.e. because in the system upgrade your hostname changed (even if just from hostname to hostname.domainname or something) and you lost all settings
[18:41:00] Kuhne: Hoochster: You saying that 12.04 and 0.25 is not working?
[18:41:17] Hoochster: kuhne just not for me have no clue for others, highly doubt or it would be more widespread when I looked
[18:41:27] sphery: for playback profile group, go to frontend settings, under Video Playback, you'll see Playback Profiles on 3rd screen... make sure you're using an appropriate one
[18:41:28] Kuhne: Cool.
[18:41:38] sphery: (likely VDPAU Slim is the best starting point)
[18:41:46] Hoochster: sphery that's how I tested between opengl/normal and vdpau
[18:42:02] Hoochster: all vdpau's are unwatchable the others can be watched but still getting artifacts
[18:42:04] sphery: if it's not then, I'd suggest system config
[18:42:29] sphery: i.e. in 12.04, you're almost definitely using ext4 with barriers for mysql data file system, so your I/O performance could be awful
[18:42:39] Hoochster: k
[18:42:53] Hoochster: so I should google some stuff on that unless you know what I should look at?
[18:42:58] sphery: if you disable barriers, you lose safety, but go back to the performance you're used to
[18:43:13] sphery: first, what file system is your mysql data on?
[18:43:19] Hoochster: ext4
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[18:43:41] sphery: and what does mount say for its options
[18:43:42] Hoochster: pretty sure was on that before as well but I did a full reinstall to make sure something just didn't hose in the upgrade, so I know the new install is ext4
[18:43:50] sphery: (i.e. is there a barrier=0 in there?)
[18:44:07] Hoochster: just says /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[18:44:19] sphery: yeah, seems barriers are enabled
[18:44:41] Hoochster: ok so do you mind explaining barriers to me or is that something I should research heh sorry
[18:44:48] sphery: you could try disabling them (no idea how to do so on *buntu, but the mount option itself is barrier=0)
[18:44:52] sphery: and test
[18:44:57] Hoochster: k
[18:45:12] sphery: and if it's better, decide whether you want the safety they provide or the performance you get without
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[18:45:22] rhpot1991: Kuhne: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythexport/+bug/982241
[18:45:25] Hoochster: thanks for the tips will check into
[18:45:43] sphery: good luck
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[18:46:34] Hoochster: one thing I did find on my kernel core trace thing is looking at the backend log I was getting a lot of expired recordings not being able to be deleted due to permissions, looked at the dirs and they had sshd.mythtv ownership so I changed it all to mythtv.mythtv so will see if that makes any diff, only thing I can assume is it filling up a buffer and after so much time it pukes
[18:46:38] Kuhne: rhpot1991: Thanks, just saw that myself. A bit irritating that a log file write problem doesn't show any errors....
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[18:47:48] Hoochster: my syslog shows stuff like this before things puke
[18:47:49] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089331] INFO: task mythbackend:4498 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[18:47:49] sphery: Hoochster: that may well be a contributing factor, too
[18:47:49] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089336] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
[18:47:49] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089339] mythbackend D ffffffff81806240 0 4498 2427 0x00000000
[18:47:49] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089344] ffff88020e7f3c38 0000000000000086 ffff88020e7f3bd8 ffffffff8129c82c
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[18:48:11] Hoochster: then I start getting
[18:48:13] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089359] Call Trace:
[18:48:13] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089366] [<ffffffff8129c82c>] ? security_inode_permission+0x1c/0x30
[18:48:13] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089371] [<ffffffff8165a55f>] schedule+0x3f/0x60
[18:48:13] Hoochster: May 8 05:42:00 HoochVID-MAIN kernel: [42396.089375] [<ffffffff8165b367>] __mutex_lock_slowpath+0xd7/0x150
[18:48:14] sphery: ahd, yeah, the blocking for > 120s could well be due to barriers causing I/O wait
[18:48:15] Hoochster: stuff
[18:48:20] Hoochster: ok
[18:48:34] sphery: Hoochster: btw, any pastes > 2 lines should go to http://www.pastebin.com/
[18:48:35] Hoochster: so pre 12.04 you are thinking they weren't using barriers I take
[18:48:51] Hoochster: understand sphery sorry, hence also why I didn't paste all of it heh but ya I understand
[18:48:52] Hoochster: sorry
[18:48:56] sphery: (this wasn't too bad, so not a big deal, but in the future...  :)
[18:49:01] Hoochster: k
[18:50:21] sphery: could also try setting hung_task_timeout_secs to 0 to disable the "kill it and hope someone else sorts it out"
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[18:50:53] Hoochster: trying to read up on barriers now and will see what the greater of the two evils are
[18:51:13] Shadow__X: I am trying to get airplay working on a windows frontend. I installed the mythfrontend .25 package from sourceforge and added the rsa key to .mythtv and in cmd i did set MYTHTV_AIRPLAY="1" but it still is not working any ideas?
[18:51:30] sphery: yeah, I won't give you a suggestion on how to handle barriers, because both possible answers are wrong :)
[18:51:37] sphery: (i.e. there's just no good solution, right now)
[18:52:12] sphery: well, maybe SSD would be a reasonable solution, but it's a lot of money for the benefit of using barriers
[18:52:38] sphery: especially when you need a sufficiently fast SSD to make it so you don't notice much I/O wait from barriers
[18:54:33] Hoochster: understood sphery I do appreciate the places to check though
[18:54:52] Hoochster: I am pretty certain I was on ext4 before but I couldn't tell you whether or not barriers was enabled or disabled heh
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[18:58:47] Smartysmart34: Hi all
[19:00:47] Smartysmart34: Is there someone with experience in unicable setups?
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[19:09:46] skd5aner: Shadow__X: update to the latest -fixes before trying anything with airplay
[19:10:55] skd5aner: Shadow__X: and, if it works on Winows, I would only guess it to be a coicedence
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[19:23:49] Shadow__X: skd5aner: i am on the latest build that was released on sourceforge
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[19:29:02] williammanda: hello all
[19:29:40] williammanda: I have a question concerning upnp....
[19:30:08] williammanda: does upnp work with music and photos?
[19:30:39] skd5aner: photos, no... music, I don't believe so
[19:31:02] skd5aner: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP
[19:31:34] skd5aner: well, maybe on the music
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[19:32:17] williammanda: ty I'll read that
[19:33:23] skd5aner: Beirdo: I'm seeing mythcommflag error out a lot
[19:33:33] Shadow__X: skd5aner: why wouldnt it work on windows? there are plent of services that have brought airplay to windows
[19:33:38] skd5aner: Beirdo: "Failed with exit status 140" reported in mythweb
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[19:34:25] skd5aner: Shadow__X: because I don't believe Mark or jya has explictely tried to make it work on windows... although, it may simply "just work" – you might be the first one to even try
[19:37:06] Beirdo: #define GENERIC_EXIT_KILLED 140 ///< Process killed or stopped
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[19:45:10] skd5aner: Beirdo: so, kinda a catchall?
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[19:46:28] Beirdo: it's any time it gets killed by a signal (like SEGV)
[19:47:05] Beirdo: the mythbackend logs with -v system --loglevel debug would give a lot more info :)
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[19:58:12] williammanda: according to the wiki...mythtv does share your media (pictures/videos/audio/music)
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[19:58:36] yogg: Hi
[19:58:47] williammanda: would someone explain what I'm missing?
[19:59:40] yogg: Is it possible to decrypt a channel over an usb card reader (with original channel smart card)? With cccam or so?
[20:00:02] skd5aner: williammanda: the wiki article says uPNP can share that, not that myth's implementation of it can share all of those things
[20:00:02] sphery: williammanda: wiki page says upnp can be used to share those things, and says that mythtv supports upnp
[20:00:13] sphery: williammanda: it doesn't say which of those things mythtv supports sharing via upnp
[20:00:16] sphery: that's the disconnect
[20:01:01] sphery: yogg: no, we have no support for that since in almost every possible use case it's either illegal or, at minimum, a violation of the service agreement with the TV provider
[20:01:19] sphery: yogg: therefore, we also forbid discussion of any software-based decryption
[20:02:23] yogg: sphery: hmm so i need an tv card that has an ci slot build in?
[20:02:26] sphery: yogg: we only support hardware based decryption, where the capture device has built-in card reader that work with the provider's card--exactly as a provider's STB does--and mythtv only gets unencrypted video
[20:02:32] lautriv: wagnerrp, are you around ?
[20:02:35] sphery: yes, hardware CI/CAM
[20:02:42] williammanda: this is what I read on the wiki.....
[20:02:44] williammanda: MythTV versions starting from 0.20 have a built-in UPnP server (a so called "UPnP AV MediaServer" device). UPnP servers are where you store and share your media (pictures/videos/audio/music) from. So you can share MythTV media files to any UPnP client
[20:02:45] sphery: yogg: other option is an analog capture device
[20:03:03] sphery: williammanda: we agree it needs rewritten
[20:03:10] williammanda: oh ok
[20:03:36] williammanda: so it is limited to recordings and video then?
[20:03:50] yogg: sphery: ok this suks a litte. What is with HD+? it would be never be possible to get an reader for it because of the fact how HD+ works
[20:03:51] sphery: yogg: with analog capture, you'd use the provider's STB to output via composite/s-video/scart/component and have an appropriate encoder device (like PVR-150 or HD-PVR) take the analog and create MPEG for you
[20:04:14] sphery: yogg: not sure what HD+ is...
[20:04:43] sphery: yogg: something like this: http://www.smart-electronic.de/en/digital-rec . . . ppix-hd.html
[20:05:36] sphery: if so, I suppose you're saying, "There are no cards that provide hardware CAM/CI for my provider," right? if so, that's the problem... they want you to use their equipment so they can better control their service
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[20:06:04] rmsbl: when i'm scanning for clearqam channels, it finds (1) atsc, several SCTE, and a few MPEG... which ones should i add or delete?
[20:06:22] skd5aner: williammanda: it does music too
[20:06:27] sphery: rmsbl: add all and then test them and delete the ones that don't work?
[20:06:27] skd5aner: google a little
[20:06:37] yogg: sphery: yes hd+ gives them control over my box (they can delete recorded movies, ...) sucks realy hard :/
[20:07:21] williammanda: I have been googling.....a little lost but your answers are helping
[20:07:28] skd5aner: no problem
[20:07:32] skd5aner: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/501929
[20:07:40] williammanda: let me ask this.....
[20:07:49] rmsbl: alright, the scte ones don't seem to work at all
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[20:07:52] rmsbl: i'll try again
[20:07:54] sphery: yogg: wow, that's annoying, but seems to fit with what the US MPAA is trying to force upon the world
[20:08:11] sphery: yogg: at that point, STB + analog encoding may be your only option
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[20:08:24] rmsbl: should i perform an EIT scan? none of the call signs come through
[20:08:30] sphery: yogg: assuming there are actually analog outputs on the STB
[20:08:52] williammanda: I'm trying to use android devices to get access to mythtv media....tried several routes...bubbleupnp, serviio, etc...
[20:08:56] sphery: rmsbl: if you're in the US, you almost definitely will get garbage for EIT
[20:09:05] rmsbl: ahh, okay
[20:09:09] sphery: rmsbl: you want Schedules Direct: http://www.schedulesdirect.com/
[20:09:17] skd5aner: williammanda: I've heard some people like "plex" for that purpose
[20:09:18] williammanda: does anyone have a suggestion
[20:09:21] rmsbl: yeah, that's what i use
[20:09:25] sphery: rmsbl: and you cannot use EIT on any channel for which you use schedules direct
[20:09:38] rmsbl: just wondering why the call signs don't come in... they did for fios, but now i'm using comcast
[20:09:41] sphery: (generally, just disable EIT/on-air guide on the entire Video Source)
[20:09:44] skd5aner: williammanda: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . rch_type=AND
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[20:09:48] williammanda: plex was another but it has problems with tv recordings
[20:09:58] rmsbl: also, should i use qam256?
[20:10:03] williammanda: skd5aner, ty
[20:10:20] sphery: rmsbl: comcast uses SCTE out-of-band data channels for things like channel callsigns/names/etc., and we don't support pulling that in
[20:10:27] skd5aner: williammanda: there is an app out there in the android market now to try and stream recordings/videos, but I'm not sure how well it works
[20:10:41] skd5aner: I wouldn't put a a lot of faith into it
[20:10:49] skd5aner: (coming from someone who hasn't tried it)
[20:10:51] sphery: rmsbl: so, you need to scan for channels, then go into mythtv-setup or mythweb channel editor and add the xmltvid that you can find at schedules direct's site for each channel
[20:10:55] williammanda: mythtvfrontend?
[20:10:58] sphery: rmsbl: then run mythfilldatabase
[20:11:13] skd5aner: yea
[20:11:16] Shadow__X: sphery if looking for comcast scte stuff why not use scte65scan
[20:11:25] sphery: that's an option
[20:11:42] rmsbl: sphery: yeah that's what i've been doing... takes a while though :)
[20:11:48] rmsbl: just need to be patient, i guess
[20:12:00] rmsbl: how can i deteremine if it's cable, cable hrc, cable irc?
[20:12:04] sphery: rmsbl: and another option that may work for you is the HDHR Prime or similar to allow use of CableCARD to get the additional channels you pay for
[20:12:18] skd5aner: williammanda: I'm waiting for someone to write a true mythtv API based app for Android... like the Torc for iOS app
[20:12:28] sphery: rmsbl: start with standard cable and if you find stuff, that's probably it
[20:12:29] skd5aner: I would do it, you know, if I had the time and ability
[20:12:49] sphery: rmsbl: might want to check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/CableCARD
[20:13:03] sphery: (comcast has pretty good support for cablecard, generally)
[20:13:09] williammanda: skd5aner, me too....I asked rob about it...and his reply was ....I don't have an adroid device
[20:13:29] skd5aner: if you bought him one, I'm sure he'd be a bit more apt to consider it... once his iOS app is actually approved
[20:14:00] williammanda: I'm looking for one now for him :)
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[20:14:14] williammanda: lol
[20:14:45] rmsbl: by the way... thanks for all the hard work, guys
[20:14:50] sphery: skd5aner: apple still hasn't responded to his request for approval?
[20:14:55] sphery: how long does that normally take?
[20:15:03] rmsbl: i've been using mythtv for a few years, never had issues until i moved to comcast (didn't have a choice)
[20:15:09] skd5aner: sphery: he's gotten 2 declines last I heard
[20:15:11] rmsbl: but i love it, so thank you again for all your hard work
[20:15:30] skd5aner: sphery: first time, the reviewer never even attempted to hit the server (or entered the wrong IP or something)
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[20:15:35] sphery: skd5aner: oh, thought maybe apple just took forever or something
[20:15:43] skd5aner: sphery: second time, he was declined because apps can't have "iOS" in the title :/
[20:15:47] williammanda: rob's reply to that.....
[20:15:49] yogg: sphery: ok thanks for the help. I have to test some things. Also have found some inoffical softcam howtos. After that i can say whitch tv card i have to pay :)
[20:16:01] skd5aner: sphery: they are sitting in "waiting" for 5–7 days each time
[20:16:32] williammanda: apple is testing his app out....from a users standpoint....they could get all the functions to work...until the do ...it is held up
[20:17:07] williammanda: couldn't get all to work
[20:17:13] sphery: yogg: remember there's no discussion of softcam allowed in any mythtv mailing lists or irc channels
[20:17:36] sphery: you're much better off using a supported approach--and can do so without stealing/breaking your contract with the provider :)
[20:18:14] sphery: i.e. so analog encoding of output of an STB provided by your TV service provider
[20:18:57] sphery: skd5aner: also sounds like it's one of those wonderful processes by which they just find one thing and get back to you, rather than a list of all the things you have to change
[20:19:06] sphery: so you get to do it over and over...
[20:19:15] skd5aner: sphery: yup... you get buzzed out on first found offense
[20:19:33] sphery: do you have to pay for each re-submit?
[20:19:40] skd5aner: no "here's a list of things to address before resubmitting"
[20:19:44] skd5aner: sphery: no idea
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[20:20:01] skd5aner: my guess would be no
[20:20:02] sphery: just wondered... knowing what I know about apple, though
[20:20:24] sphery: yeah, you shouldn't have to
[20:20:54] sphery: but there's a lot of "shouldn't" in things apple
[20:20:57] skd5aner: too much incentive to constantly reject apps – would piss off devs fast
[20:21:04] sphery: true
[20:21:11] Beirdo: and yet, they still try
[20:21:14] sphery: and devs seems mostly happy
[20:21:47] SteveGoodey: sphery: devs must like pain :-)
[20:22:18] ** skd5aner tries to bite his tounge in regards to how he feels about apple **
[20:22:27] skd5aner: hint: I don't like them
[20:22:30] sphery: hehe
[20:22:35] Beirdo: yeah, we are sadomasochists. we like to inflict the pain too
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[20:23:04] sphery: I don't know... They're the only company I know of that's "saving" us from an open web by pushing an open web standard
[20:23:34] SteveGoodey: Beirdo: I must ask a stupid question and wait.
[20:24:06] sphery: I mean, imagine how much better the world would be if I just used a different app for each piece of data or service I wanted to get from the Internet... No worrying about URIs in browsers or search engines for information (just a search engine for apps)... So much easier
[20:24:27] sphery: oh, and Apple could take 30% off the top of the sales of each app!
[20:25:06] wagnerrp: anyone know enough about mythbrowser to know what it would take to add cookies?
[20:25:19] Beirdo: it has cookies
[20:25:30] Beirdo: you mean persistent to disk?
[20:25:38] wagnerrp: i guess
[20:25:44] skd5aner: yea, so I can actually use amazon prime, that'd be nice
[20:25:48] wagnerrp: i thought it was a cookie issue that prevented use of Amazon Prime
[20:26:01] Beirdo: we have all of the support in there for saving and loading cookie files now
[20:26:21] Beirdo: but the only thing using it is DataDirect from within mythtv-setup
[20:26:28] wagnerrp: im just wondering, all this time this chad perry spent rigging up firefox and some LIRC wrapper for it
[20:26:40] wagnerrp: would it have been all that much more difficult to just do it properly
[20:27:53] Beirdo: I could probably get it in in an evening using what we already have
[20:28:00] sphery: does amazon prime video actually work on GNU/Linux?
[20:28:01] wagnerrp: and mouse acceleration... oh god do i hate mouse acceleration
[20:28:08] wagnerrp: sphery: its just flash
[20:28:18] sphery: I couldn't get the auth to work in firefox interactive on my gnu/linux system
[20:28:29] ** wagnerrp would enjoy it greatly if we had that feature tomorrow **
[20:28:30] sphery: had to log in to my windows box, auth, then I could play it from gnu/linux
[20:28:49] sphery: that was long ago, though... maybe they fixed it
[20:28:58] wagnerrp: this is the guy who kept persisting about having to properly escape command line arguments
[20:29:07] Beirdo: yeah, I recall
[20:29:11] wagnerrp: even after being told repeatedly the plan was to stop running through the shell
[20:29:20] wagnerrp: and if you dont run through the shell, you dont have to escape squat
[20:30:06] Beirdo: well, I guess I can prioritize having cookies load on startup and save on shutdown (or periodically or...)
[20:30:31] wagnerrp: i dont know how the grabber stuff would work though
[20:30:39] wagnerrp: would the grabbers need to be authenticated as well?
[20:30:45] Beirdo: not sure
[20:31:06] wagnerrp: amazon prime is a subscription service, right?
[20:31:12] wagnerrp: you have the service, you have access to everything?
[20:31:15] sphery: seems it does work, now
[20:31:20] wagnerrp: no microtransactions or anything?
[20:31:25] ** sphery may have to go prime **
[20:31:28] Beirdo: as far as I know
[20:31:37] sphery: too bad they have such a small selection of free video for prime users
[20:31:41] Beirdo: I haven't tried the video part yet :)
[20:31:53] Beirdo: sphery: are you smoking the good stuff? :)
[20:32:08] Beirdo: they add more weekly from what I've seen
[20:33:02] sphery: biggest complaint about netflix streaming is selection is small
[20:33:11] sphery: but it's a /lot/ bigger than prime's
[20:34:02] sphery: looking for the 2012 comparison (keep finding the 2011 comparison)
[20:34:04] Beirdo: you might wanna look again :)
[20:34:05] skd5aner: well...
[20:34:17] sphery: I just looked last week
[20:34:23] skd5aner: prime's video selection has recently gotten a lot bigger/better
[20:34:25] sphery: (unfortunately I cleared browser history since)
[20:34:35] Beirdo: heh :)
[20:34:44] skd5aner: wagnerrp: yes, it is subscription based and is different than their per-video streaming service
[20:34:45] Beirdo: they are adding a fair amount of TV shows too
[20:35:04] Beirdo: and I have prime mainly for the shipping :)
[20:35:11] skd5aner: I played with it about 6 months ago
[20:35:19] sphery: I know they're adding more
[20:35:25] skd5aner: and, I can't live without Amazon prime anymore either...
[20:35:26] sphery: but they still have tiny amount compared to netflix
[20:35:35] skd5aner: they've hooked me, it definitely pays for itself
[20:35:48] sphery: 2011 numbers: http://www.clicker.com/blog/amazon-prime-inst . . . ok-9651.html
[20:35:50] skd5aner: and that's without ever using the video stuff, which would be great because I'd consider that a bonus
[20:35:52] Beirdo: figuring it's pretty much a freebie for me...
[20:35:56] sphery: 2012 showed about the same discrepancy
[20:36:07] sphery: now if you include all of amazon's for pay content, amazon's is much larger
[20:36:10] sphery: (than netflix's)
[20:36:20] sphery: but that's not free for prime subscribers
[20:38:05] ** skd5aner will buy someone a beer if they can integrate prime video nicely **
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[20:42:20] sphery: Beirdo: http://www.techofthehub.com/streaming-compare
[20:42:41] sphery: a/o April 1, 2012
[20:42:46] sphery: so about a month out of date
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[20:43:18] sphery: and I'm guessing that Amazon hasn't added 8000+ movies and 3200+ TV series since then
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[20:43:31] Beirdo: probably not, but the gap is closing bit by bit
[20:44:26] sphery: the 720p vs 1080p thing, though, is not a big deal since you only get 1080p on devices (and not on PCs)
[20:44:43] sphery: (with netflix, you can get 1080p on some devices, with Amazon, you can't anywhere, but, meh)
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[20:46:19] pepsiman: I'm running mythtv 0.25 and I'm getting random failed recordings with log messages like: May 8 21:05:00 mythtv mythbackend[1551]: W DeviceReadBuffer DeviceReadBuffer.cpp:525 (Poll) DevRdB(/dev/dvb/adapter2/frontend0): Poll took an unusually long time 4918806 ms
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[20:47:02] wagnerrp: yikes... 80 minutes just to poll a tuner card?
[20:47:23] pepsiman: wagnerrp, yep
[20:47:37] devinheitmueller: Uh.
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[20:48:00] pepsiman: FinishedRecording(4051_2012-05–08T19:28:00) damaged recq:<RecordingQuality overall_score="0" key="4051_2012-05–08T19:28:00" countinuity_error_count="0" packet_count="5290267">#012 <Gap start="2012-05–08T19:43:00" end="2012-05–08T21:00:00" duration="4620" />#012</RecordingQuality>
[20:48:00] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/012 **
[20:48:05] sphery: Beirdo: between Feb 2011 and Apr 2012, Amazon went from 500 – 931 TV seasons and Netflix went from 750 to 4100 TV seasons, Amazon went from 1700 movies to 1500+ (likely about the same) movies and Netflix from 8250 to 9500+
[20:48:42] Beirdo: yes, but Netflix isn't free :)
[20:48:43] sphery: which is why I'm saying that the only down side to the prime thing is the selection... I do hope it gets better, though
[20:49:00] Beirdo: yeah. I'm sure they'll fix it
[20:49:03] sphery: neither is prime, but once you pay for prime, amazon instant is no additional charge
[20:49:04] wagnerrp: well neither is prime
[20:49:08] Beirdo: sure it is
[20:49:15] Beirdo: I pay for prime for shipping
[20:49:18] Beirdo: the video is free
[20:49:22] Beirdo: :)
[20:49:26] sphery: granted, netflix doesn't give you free 2-day shipping on all amazon purchases after you subscribe
[20:49:27] pepsiman: wagnerrp, any chance it's a software issue?
[20:49:37] Beirdo: trust me, I get more than my money's worth outta shipping
[20:49:52] sphery: again, though, prime costs, amazon instant is no additional charge for prime members
[20:50:03] Beirdo: right
[20:50:31] sphery: still, I'm much more a fan of amazon instant because I also get benefit of prime, and--far more importantly--it's usable on GNU/Linux
[20:50:38] Beirdo: it's free with a service I'm already paying for and would with or without the video
[20:50:43] sphery: granted, still required garbage flash support, but...
[20:50:48] Beirdo: yup
[20:50:51] Beirdo: even better :)
[20:51:08] sphery: wonder if it at least allows vdpau support
[20:51:12] Beirdo: Oh what the BLEEP!?
[20:51:16] Beirdo: exim4?
[20:51:18] Beirdo: jeez
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[20:51:41] Beirdo: trying to get postfix on all 350 boxes... one has exim
[20:51:45] Beirdo: SMACK
[20:51:54] Beirdo: make that two of them
[20:52:08] Beirdo: a handful have sendmail still too
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[20:55:34] ** skd5aner has placed ~10 orders from amazon in the last week – all free 2 day shipping **
[20:56:39] skd5aner: including the fact that my wife broke a part in our refridgerator this morning, and even amazon had the part... free 2 day shipping, whoda thunk
[20:56:49] Beirdo: hehe
[20:57:03] Beirdo: it's fun when you can get the whole fridge for 2-day free shipping
[20:57:19] Beirdo: that pays for the year right there
[20:57:57] skd5aner: I ordered a piece of furniture, 140lbs across two boxes... that was nice to get free shipping on
[20:58:04] Beirdo: yeah
[20:58:14] Beirdo: overnighted a TV for $3.99
[20:58:19] Beirdo: :)
[20:58:23] skd5aner: Yea, so did I... heh
[20:58:25] sphery: then again, if Amazon Instant's "Free for Prime Members" selection is too much of a let down, there's always YouTube... Like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZe0_dk4czE
[20:58:43] skd5aner: well, when instant came out, it was kinda sparse
[20:59:06] tekdoc: the more u spend, the more u save
[20:59:07] skd5aner: I was like "ok, I can watch star trek and walker texas ranger... how about anything in current rotation?"
[20:59:58] sphery: btw, highly recommend the above youtube for any James Bond fans
[21:00:04] sphery: or floppy drive fans/hoarders
[21:00:30] sphery: and the video is safe for work (not sure about comments, though)
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[21:28:50] justinh: why do so many mysql packages set it up to binary log & don't do anything sensible about expiring old logs? probably keeping people with some fu in jobs
[21:33:35] EvilGuru: justinh: Isn't that the job of logrotate?
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[21:39:13] jams: no the binary log is a job for mysql
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[21:41:23] jams: mysql has the ability to expire them
[21:41:36] dashs: Have there been any issues with basename location failing (scheduler.cpp) on Debian (using 0.22 here, so may be old)?
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[23:09:24] wagnerrp: what happened? the wiki suddenly got all busy
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[23:46:12] wagnerrp: oh fantastic... election tickers in tonight's recordings...
[23:49:38] TheMaze: you must be in NC?
[23:50:51] wagnerrp: nope
[23:51:15] TheMaze: ahh
[23:51:51] Beirdo: erection tickers?
[23:52:34] wagnerrp: thats the little egg timer you set after popping viagra

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