Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, April 29th, 2012, 00:02 UTC

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, I should go make a couple devices

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Beirdo:

so I can get em shipped out Monday

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Beirdo:

need to find the exacto knife first.

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Beirdo:

stupid thing to lose, I tell ya

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Beirdo:

OK, built

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tgm4883:

I've been using mythavtest to play back files by doing "myth://<StorageGroup>@<BackendIP> . . . ename". This seems to only work for recordings, I've been unable to get it to play back anything in the Videos storage group this way

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tgm4883:

Is there a different way to use that for the videos storage group?

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[TheAsp]:

Gah! Why is comm flagging always turned of for new schedules now

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** [TheAsp] skips forward manually like a chump **

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tgm4883:

[TheAsp], IIRC, it's a default option you can set

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sphery:

[TheAsp]: yes, there's a setting, "Run commercial detection," in General Playback settings (defaults to on, but could have been flipped on your system)

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[TheAsp]:

yeah it's on

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[TheAsp]:

its just new schedules that it's off for

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[TheAsp]:

ill run through the settings after this show though

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sphery:

might have just gotten turned off on the rules, then

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sphery:

(all the setting does is determine whether that value is on or off by default when you create a new rule)

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[TheAsp]:

yeah, its turned on

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[TheAsp]:

default job queue, run commercial detection

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[TheAsp]:

does mythweb have it's own defaults?

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sphery:

no, uses same as mfe

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[TheAsp]:

ill dig deeper tonight

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[TheAsp]:

atleast i know why some shows work and some dont :)

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tgm4883:

ok, testing with the video 300 and using (mythavtest myth://Videos@192.168.0.10:6544/300.avi) I get the following messages in the terminal http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/954100/

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tgm4883:

I don't seem to get any error messages in the backend log though

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tgm4883:

nm, I do get an error Apr 28 19:37:54 ares mythbackend[1819]: E HttpServer80 httprequest.cpp:954 (ParseRequest) Timeout reading first line of request.

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sphery:

"deadlocked in due to bugs"... must remember to fix that

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tgm4883:

sphery, the error message text, or the error ;)

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sphery:

hehe, the text :)

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sphery:

seems it's a "normal" socket error

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sphery:

socket is closed by one side or the other before the communication happens

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sphery:

both sides get confused

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tgm4883:

Any thoughts on how to playback something from the videos storagegroup with mythavtest?

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tgm4883:

I haven't moved over a recording yet to see if it's filetype

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tgm4883:

as recordings playback fine

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sphery:

this might be triggered by something specific to how videos are accessed?

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tgm4883:

hmm

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sphery:

would be interesting to check file type

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tgm4883:

I'll copy one over and see what happens

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prologic:

Hmm all of a sudden when I'm in Live TV or watching a recording, there is no video – it's blank/black screen. The MythTV ui works perfectly fine though.

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prologic:

It's not a problem with the video though because it works fine from another frontend

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sphery:

check your playback profile group?

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prologic:

in the frontend settings?

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sphery:

yeah

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** Beirdo orders some Zeek's Pizza **

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sphery:

under video | playback, iirc

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prologic:

kk

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prologic:

I din't remember changing anything

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prologic:

what am I looking for?

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sphery:

what's your playback profile group set to

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prologic:

default

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sphery:

should be something like "Slim" or "Normal" or "VDPAU Normal" or ...

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tgm4883:

sphery, nope, copying over a recording doesn't play either

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

not sure whether it's supposed to use a different approach or what

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tgm4883:

so it does appear it doesn't like getting stuff from the videos SG

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sphery:

might just be broken

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tgm4883:

the wiki page doesn't have much info

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tgm4883:

I'll file a bug

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prologic:

sphery, hmmm

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prologic:

none of the playback profiles are working

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prologic:

Slim, Normal , etc

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prologic:

it was set to High Quality

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prologic:

all I get is audio with a blank/black screen

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sphery:

what video card?

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prologic:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)

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prologic:

ok that's just weird

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prologic:

a reboot fixed it

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prologic:

no changes

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prologic:

video card driver b0rked itself?

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sphery:

sounds like it

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sphery:

glad it's working, now

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prologic:

yeah that was really weird

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prologic:

I'll have to upgrade my kernel

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tgm4883:

sphery, for mythavtest, should I have chosen "MythTV – Video Playback" as the component?

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mycosys:

question for father in law – is there likely to be any advantage for mythTV system performance in going from an E6400 @3GHz to an i5 3570, or just wasted $?

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mycosys:

s[hery – ur all knowing

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mycosys:

*sphery

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mycosys:

and tgm4883

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** tgm4883 shrugs **

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tgm4883:

I suppose you could probably do more backend jobs

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mycosys:

(please dont abuse me for asking stupid questions – i have a flue and medication and i am not afraid to use it!)

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mycosys:

that to me sounds liek – yeah – prolly a waste.......

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mycosys:

bear in mind we have less than 20 channels

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tgm4883:

yea probably a waste then

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mycosys:

cheers

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cerise4096:

Hey — mythtv was working great for me for a bit.

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mycosys:

i thikn he suspects i am only saying it cos i gave him the e6400 lol

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cerise4096:

Now when it records some things, the recording fails for some reason.

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cerise4096:

I've noticed it's larger things.

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cerise4096:

I'm not sure where the best place to start troubleshooting is.

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cerise4096:

I would assume the mythbackend.* log files

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cerise4096:

but I have one that's about 4M and it's apparently empty.

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cerise4096:

The HD isn't full — it's at about 70%.

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wagnerrp:

recordings fail? or livetv fails?

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cerise4096:

Well — the odd thing is that some recordings succeed.

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cerise4096:

In this case, it's just recordings.

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cerise4096:

I'll check out live tv right now though.

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cerise4096:

When I try to watch live tv, I get an "irrecoverable recording error". Interesting...

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** wagnerrp pokes tgm4883 **

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, yep

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wagnerrp:

i closed your ticket

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tgm4883:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

try using :6543

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

or just leave it blank, and let the code decide on its own from the database

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tgm4883:

it works!

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, so recordings will playback with 6544

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

recordings detected that the file was otherwise accessible through the filesystem

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tgm4883:

ah

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wagnerrp:

and so ignored what you told it to do, and did something else

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tgm4883:

it's smarter than I am!

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wagnerrp:

AIUI, that is supposed to happen for videos too

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wagnerrp:

not sure why it didnt

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tgm4883:

Can I programatically get the protocol server port?

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tgm4883:

I didn't see that returned in any of my data

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wagnerrp:

through the database

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wagnerrp:

or one of the methods that will return data from the settings table

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wagnerrp:

there are methods available in both the services api and backend protocol

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tgm4883:

so that explains why I'm able to get icons now :)

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, a few of the pages still need filled out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_Service

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, thanks for taking a look at that bug so quickly and pointing me in the right direction. I'll dig though the Myth wsdl page and get it fixed

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wagnerrp:

no problem

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wagnerrp:

i was actually expecting to see a different ticket re-opened

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tgm4883:

nope, playback works fine when I use the right port :)

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wagnerrp:

no, the frontend control socket stuff

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tgm4883:

ah

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[R]:

wagnerrp: im getting bonjour errors on start, what do i need to fix that?

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wagnerrp:

not a clue

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wagnerrp:

never managed to get it to register successfully

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

looking into the source

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, was there ever an issue with mythfilldatabase hanging up in .25?

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Twiggy2cents:

It hangs at this, DataDirect: sourceid 2 has lineup type: LocalBroadcast

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[R]:

wagnerrp: looks like you need an mdns dealy running

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[R]:

like avahi

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wagnerrp:

[R]: ah, right... forgot about that

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[R]:

too many deps just to make an error message go away, haha

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kisak:

I have a failed transcode with "Transcoding (.mpg) failed for 3189_20120427180000.mpg with error 128"

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[R]:

NOT ERROR 128!

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kisak:

anyone know what that means?

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[R]:

why it means you got error 128

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kisak:

okay, what I'm hearing is that there is no human-readable translation

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I'm a little bit confused now, maybe you could explain to me the service port (6543) that we discussed earlier. I've found that I cannot use 6543 if I attempt viewing the video in totem (I have to use 6544), but vice versa for mythavtest

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tgm4883:

Is 6543 to be used only with the myth:// protocol?

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wagnerrp:

6543 is myth's custom internal protocol

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wagnerrp:

6544 is just a standard http server

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tgm4883:

ah

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tgm4883:

that makes sense then

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tgm4883:

So I'll have to do some URL fixing then

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tgm4883:

thanks for the confirmation

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[R]:

blah

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[R]:

found a bug in my channel change sript

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Beirdo:

hmmm. BF506F... DSP with MCU capabilities... can run ucLinux, and comes in a 120pin QFP package... with 32MB Flash builtin.

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Beirdo:

32Mbit...

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Beirdo:

sorry

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[R]:

Beirdo: by who?

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Beirdo:

Analog Devices

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[R]:

ah

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Beirdo:

Blackfin series

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[R]:

we use an ancient SHARC by analog devices at my work

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Beirdo:

the two exposed pads on the bottom are a problem though

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FLeiXiuS`:

Anyone running diskless clients? If so which distro have you found most suitable?

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[R]:

FLeiXiuS`: well ubuntu *used* to make it simple

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[R]:

but i actually spent the whole damn day getting it working in 12.04

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FLeiXiuS`:

[R], What gave you trouble?

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Beirdo:

oh, and dual onboard ADC capable of 2MSPS

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[R]:

just setting it up the way i like it

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Beirdo:

that gets rid of another part.

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[R]:

plsu my weird requirements for an initramfs

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FLeiXiuS`:

[R], Don't all diskless boxes need an initramfs?

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FLeiXiuS`:

At least for strapping a nfs root filesystem

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[R]:

FLeiXiuS`: requiremnts for HOW the initramfs worked

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FLeiXiuS`:

Ah

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[R]:

the mythbuntu stock stuff uses nbd

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[R]:

and i found you can't suspendt o ram with nbd

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FLeiXiuS`:

[R], Yeah thats the problem im having with ltsp

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FLeiXiuS`:

Using mythuntu

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[R]:

i wound up hacking up my own stuff

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[R]:

to nfs the iamges directory

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[R]:

and mount my squash image

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[R]:

and then union that with the r/w overlay

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FLeiXiuS`:

I still dont understand the point of the overlay.

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[R]:

so you can have persistent changes

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[R]:

beucase the nbd is a squash readonly

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FLeiXiuS`:

So your a fan of myth

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FLeiXiuS`:

bah

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FLeiXiuS`:

Mythbuntu

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FLeiXiuS`:

Im trying to decide a rouet to go. Whether to build the image my self or attempt to fix problems another prebuilt image may have.

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[R]:

well i've gotten used to ubuntu

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[R]:

for 12.04 is just built a plain ltsp image

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[R]:

and then instaleld the myths tuff in it, and wrote my own initramfs stuff

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FLeiXiuS`:

thats how I planned on proceeding. nbd gave you that much of a problem?

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[R]:

i stopped using nbd a while ago

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[R]:

i came up witht he nfs hack then

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FLeiXiuS`:

[R], You publish that anywhere ;-)

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Beirdo:

oooh, an SD card is a good idea...

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[R]:

nah

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[R]:

its pretty specififc to some random stuff i do

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[R]:

plsu i hate explaining stuff to people

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[R]:

i actually have an ip hardcodedi n there igfth now

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[R]:

haha

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FLeiXiuS`:

haha..gotcha. I'll work it – need to remove nbd if its gonna give suspend issues.

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[R]:

i mean i doubt they've chagned it

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[R]:

but if you try it and get an error on resume and google it

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[R]:

you'll see people talk about it

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FLeiXiuS`:

Yeah i'll fck with it. I'm installing a base image now.

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Beirdo:

watch the lnguge :)

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Beirdo:

I think I'm going to bed

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Beirdo:

I'm bored

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Beirdo:

have an idea how I want to do my SDR now, but I want bed

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[R]:

Beirdo: i told you i work on an SDR for my job right?

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mycosys:

any likely gotchas with http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew. . . . mp;sid=83154 or with http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew. . . . mp;sid=84206 ? VIA VT1708S and ALC887 both likely to be ok with 5.1 audio and upmixing?

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k-man:

whenever i launch mythfrontend.app from spotlight, it can't connect to the db, but if i launch it from finder, it works fine

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k-man:

anyone else experienced taht?

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ernstp:

Trying to play a dvd and I get Couldn't find an A/V decoder for: '//dev/sr0' Unable to open video file.

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thameslink:

Please help me! On my master backend/frontend I cant see any recordings, but I can see them on other frontends.

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ikevin:

hi

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ikevin:

i've a little problem after a distro upgrade, i've some gl problem and now i've a black screen while starting myth

[11:43:45]

ikevin:

how can i disable gl on myth without resetting my db?

[11:45:27]

dekarl:

ikevin: try setting the painter via an override, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Override_settings

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sphery:

ikevin: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt , then go to Appearance settings and change the Paint Engine

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ikevin:

thx

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sphery:

thameslink: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F

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ikevin:

nice, working perfectly :) thx

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sphery:

(in case you read archive)

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yunosh:

hi, with jya latest commits, should airtunes from itunes work?

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sphery:

yunosh: I don't know details, but I know it's very hit or miss--seems to work for some and not for others, and may depend on key and such

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sphery:

as well as version of apple software/device

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yunosh:

well, the key works, and I see the frontend in itunes, it just doesn't play (or actually let me switch constantly to those "speakers")

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dekarl:

yunosh: it appears that jya is looking for testers using iTunes, sounds like there is something to test :) (so I'd say, yes, try it and report back :)

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yunosh:

does that fall under the category hit-and-miss?

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yunosh:

dekarl: ok, will do :)

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jya:

yunosh: version in both master and fixes/0.25 supports iTunes

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jya:

sphery: AFAICT, it's very reliable.. The only remaining issues is a Bonjour/DNS issue

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jya:

sphery: I've completely rewritten the thing.. But I've hit a bug that seems to exist in all RAOP server I've tried so far… When you seek to a new position, or pause/play, the audio drifts forward a bit.. it looses about 50ms after each pause…

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earthw0rm:

Afternoon

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earthw0rm:

What's the need for having 2 PCs, one for front end and one for back end? Why might I go that route?

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: small silent frontend.

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: large cpu and disk monster with tuner cards hidden away in the basement for the backend.

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: and add an extra frontend wherever you want tv.

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earthw0rm:

Will be the backend only need a crap graphics card if it's going to be headless?

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: yes.

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: you can run the setupprogram from another machine using X networking capabilities. (like ssh forwarding)

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earthw0rm:

Would the server be able to get anything out of a good graphics card though? To help with transcoding or anything?

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: I don't think that's available now, but I think its planned

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: like say: optional for upcoming mythgpucommflag (>= v1.6) from the release notes: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.25

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earthw0rm:

Okay, better to have a crap graphics card and spend money on a better mobo and CPU then ...

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earthw0rm:

Any recommendations for CPU/mobo for a backend?

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Twiggy2cents:

Fringe seems all over the place in the last two episodes.

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earthw0rm:

I was thinking of one of those NVIDIA ION machines for the frontend ...

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jya:

if it's headless, why would you even need a graphic card?

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jya:

Twiggy2cents: in the last 2 episodes only ? :P

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Twiggy2cents:

Yeah it seems like two different people wrote the story for it

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jya:

ah, I thought it was like that right from the beginning :)

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thameslink:

can i tune two dvb-s cards to freesat with one LNB and a splitter

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AndyCap:

jya: because consumer hardware gets angry with no graphics? :)

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AndyCap:

thameslink: dvb cards expect to control frequency and polarization of the dvb so no.

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AndyCap:

thameslink: dual output lnb or some sort of unicable lnb solution

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earthw0rm:

I honestly can't think where I'd put a separate backend, plus I'd need to run the freeview/satelite cables to wherever the server was going to go

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earthw0rm:

I'd be tempted to just have it near the telly and turn the volume up to drown it out :D

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: it's not a huge problem to build a fairly quiet frontend/backend in one machine if you don't go nuts with cpu and disk, but it costs more.

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earthw0rm:

Aye, but I'd save money on not buying a front end at all right?

[14:40:44]

earthw0rm:

Who's a good company to buy a PC off?

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AndyCap:

dunno. I built mine from parts.

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earthw0rm:

Hmm]

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earthw0rm:

When did you do it? Just wondering if I can steal your spec

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: how many tuners do you plan to have, and what source?

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earthw0rm:

I'm going to use my PS3 PlayTV tuner

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earthw0rm:

It's a USB one

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dekarl:

earthw0rm: by moving the ugly backend closer to the dish/Antenna you get end up with a shorter coax and longer hdmi cable. short analog cables are a good thing :)

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: heh, I'm probably not a good example. I have an intel mini-itx board for my frontend.

[14:44:43]

earthw0rm:

I did wonder about buying a freesat tuner as well, as that does HD and the PS3 one doesn't

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: uh. if it's DVB-T tuner I think HD is up to the software, not the tuner

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earthw0rm:

I thought I read PlayTV couldn't do UK freeview HD because of the hardware

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: for DVB-S(atellite) you would need a tuner that supports the standard in use for HD broadcast. that might be DVB-S2 instead of DVB-S

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dekarl:

unless you are in the UK where HD is on DVB-T*2*

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AndyCap:

dekarl: ah, good point.

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AndyCap:

dekarl: forgot someone actually used that. :)

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earthw0rm:

dekarl: that must be it

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dekarl:

what do you get from Freeview that is not on Freesat? Or is that just for times when you need some additional tuners to resolve collisions?

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earthw0rm:

It just means I can use the PlayTV tuner, not sure I want to buy a freesat one for the HD

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AndyCap:

I see that more advanced solutions are beyond the grasp of consumer journalism: "It's useful to have two Freeview decoders so that you can record one channel while watching another."

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earthw0rm:

PlayTV has two tuners in it AFAIK

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dekarl:

AndyCap: its the simplified variant of "*any two* channels", with multirec you are restricted to whatever is on the same mux

[14:50:26]

AndyCap:

dekarl: sure, but mythtv or other pvr with two tuners beats two freeview boxes

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dekarl:

true

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dekarl:

earthw0rm: looks like PlayTV is dual DVB-T and supported from kernel 2.6.30 on ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayTV#Linux_and_Windows )

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AndyCap:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Sony_Pl . . . _tuner_DVB-T

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AndyCap:

Hmm, maybe I should start work on the huge upgrade to 0.25.

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AndyCap:

:P

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dekarl:

AndyCap: aww, found it now... removing the PS3 from the search terms helped ;)

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earthw0rm:

I'd imagine that'd do for a tuner?

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: it's a good start.

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earthw0rm:

A 3TB HD is £125 off ebuyer.com ...

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AndyCap:

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earthw0rm:

On the what?

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dekarl:

buck/bang ratio :) (or Pound/Volume)

[14:58:00]

earthw0rm:

Is it better to have two smaller ones or something?

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dekarl:

earthw0rm: you can look for the sweet spot in the cost/size area, but should keep in mind that you can stuff unlimited drives into the backend (cost per SATA port/drive bay) and likely the power consumption of two small drives is higher then one big drive

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dekarl:

s/can/can't/

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AndyCap:

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earthw0rm:

I see

[15:00:31]

AndyCap:

earthw0rm: also you get twice the throughput with two drives. (not exactly but close enough)

[15:01:10]

earthw0rm:

2TB is £123 on there

[15:01:34]

earthw0rm:

1TB is £70

[15:02:18]

dekarl:

say you get a nice case that fits 4 drives and a small SSD. The cost for the 5th drive will be quite high. So if your target is 10TB you can't go below 2.5TB per drive

[15:02:42]

earthw0rm:

10TB!?!

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earthw0rm:

How many films can I record on 3TB?

[15:02:59]

dekarl:

sure, its easier on my math :D

[15:03:23]

wagnerrp:

why would the cost for the 5th drive be more than that of the 4th drive?

[15:03:24]

AndyCap:

earthw0rm: depends on the average bits/second of the broadcasts.

[15:03:29]

earthw0rm:

I was thinking I could set Myth to compress all it's recordings down with H264, which I understand it can do

[15:03:43]

AndyCap:

earthw0rm: but that requires quite a bit of CPU

[15:03:45]

wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: mythtv does not support compression to h264

[15:03:51]

AndyCap:

earthw0rm: and you can't do that while recording

[15:03:59]

wagnerrp:

and will only compress recordings made from analog "framegrabbers"

[15:04:16]

earthw0rm:

Oh, this isn't sounding so good

[15:04:20]

wagnerrp:

analog encoder cards, and digital tuners, both output pre-compressed video, which mythtv merely copies directly to disk

[15:04:25]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: what kind of mpeg-4 does transcoding support?

[15:04:34]

wagnerrp:

mpeg4 (ASP)

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wagnerrp:

old crappy stuff, the basis for xvid/divx

[15:04:52]

earthw0rm:

I know that PlayTV recordings are huge

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: not really. :)

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dekarl:

one bluray movie is 20–30GB, so if you want to put them on file you need some space ;)

[15:05:16]

[TheAsp]:

hi!

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wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: the recordings you get from that tuner are not likely to exceed 2MB/s on average

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wagnerrp:

which puts an upper limit somewhere around 6–7GB/hr

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wagnerrp:

assuming theyre MPEG2

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earthw0rm:

Each film seems to be about 2–3 GB

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: that's not huge

[15:07:06]

wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: HD or SD?

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dekarl:

earthw0rm: once you add a DVB-S2 tuner the size per film will go up ;)

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earthw0rm:

This PlayTV card only does SD

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: isn't that about right for mpeg-2 sd?

[15:07:47]

wagnerrp:

2hrs of broadcast SD MPEG2, about right

[15:07:58]

wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: the playtv DOES NOT do SD

[15:08:02]

wagnerrp:

the playtv does digital

[15:08:09]

wagnerrp:

there is a difference

[15:08:20]

wagnerrp:

digital tuners merely capture and filter a digital stream

[15:08:31]

earthw0rm:

I meant it didn't do HD, probably confusing my terms

[15:08:32]

dekarl:

wagnerrp: it does DVB-T which in the UK is only SD as the HD mux is on DVB-T2

[15:08:33]

wagnerrp:

they do not know, and do not care, what resolution the content happens to be

[15:08:50]

dekarl:

its just confusing coincidence

[15:08:52]

wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: it will do HD, so long as your broadcasters transmit HD

[15:09:11]

earthw0rm:

As I understand it, they don't in England

[15:09:16]

wagnerrp:

however what dekarl said.. it just happens the UK broadcasters only send HD using -T2, not -T

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earthw0rm:

I need a different card

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wagnerrp:

not any inherent limitation in the format or the card, just one imposed by the broadcasters

[15:09:43]

earthw0rm:

Yeah

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: if you think 2–3GB is huge you do not need a new card

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wagnerrp:

if you get a new card for -T2, AIUI nearly all the content there will already be h264

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dekarl:

earthw0rm: DVB-T SD MPEG2 vs. DVB-C/S HD H.264 is about factor 6 over here (DE)

[15:10:24]

earthw0rm:

So having MythTV compress videos isn't going to happen then

[15:10:41]

wagnerrp:

so you will only see modest improvements in compression using a more efficient x264, compared to whatever hardware h264 encoders the broadcaster happens to be using

[15:10:49]

wagnerrp:

and that compression will come at a very high CPU cost

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earthw0rm:

I just got used to a film being about 700MB with DiVX when I downloaded something

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: and crap quality. and illegal.

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wagnerrp:

at which point i direct you to the topic, specifically the very last bit of it

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earthw0rm:

Fair enough

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earthw0rm:

So I need more HD space than I was planning ...

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: anyhow, you should make up your mind about quality vs space.

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Twiggy2cents:

Where are the backend settings stored?

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: stick with the broadcast files and save the cpu

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wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: what CPU would you be using to compress this stuff?

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AndyCap:

Twiggy2cents: in the database?

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earthw0rm:

I'll take your lot's advice

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: the same place all the other settings are stored

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: one to be specified and purchased

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Twiggy2cents:

Except the frontend settings?

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** wagnerrp points Twiggy2cents to AndyCap's response **

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earthw0rm:

wagnerrp: Not sure mate, trying to put a spec together really

[15:13:39]

wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: ah, didnt know if you were repurposing an old desktop or something

[15:14:01]

earthw0rm:

Nah, tried that, it failed miserably, so going to get something for the job

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earthw0rm:

Hoping I can get something for about £400

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Twiggy2cents:

Okay, so if I am going to upgrade a distro on the backend. a db backup plus my apache stuff should be all I need for mythtv?

[15:14:40]

AndyCap:

Twiggy2cents: i think theres a page or two in the docs about this

[15:14:53]

earthw0rm:

I could go for a 3TB HD and get some more at a later date I suppose

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AndyCap:

Twiggy2cents: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backend_migration

[15:15:16]

Twiggy2cents:

I am looking at that now

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wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: aside from the price hike in hard drives from last year's flooding, the electrical cost of running your CPU to transcode from MPEG2 to H264 roughly offsets the price of additional hard drive space

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earthw0rm:

So that'd leave me about £300 to split between CPU/GPU and mobo

[15:15:31]

wagnerrp:

assuming that machine would otherwise be in standby with the disks spun down

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earthw0rm:

wagnerrp: lol, good point

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: any demands on the looks of this thing?

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AndyCap:

aka WAF

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wagnerrp:

brand new processors are going to be more efficient and cost less in CPU power than comparable hard drives

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earthw0rm:

Nah, not bothered about a posh case for it or owt

[15:16:14]

wagnerrp:

older processors are going to be less efficient and cost more

[15:16:48]

wagnerrp:

for average ~$0.10/kWh utility rates around here, i think break even is for a 2-yr old CPU or so

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AndyCap:

what does use cpu? transcoding, commflagging ,scheduling query?

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wagnerrp:

i.e. a Core2 would be more expensive, an i3 would be less

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Twiggy2cents:

thanks AndyCap

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earthw0rm:

Will I get an i3 for £100?

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wagnerrp:

cheapest branded i3 on newegg is $120, last i checked

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wagnerrp:

although you can get the cheaper "pentium" versions for as low as $60

[15:19:22]

wagnerrp:

theyre the same CPU, but with less cache, or no turbo, or ... etc

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wagnerrp:

how that would equate to UK pricing, i have no idea

[15:19:38]

earthw0rm:

Like the old Celeron cut down ones

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wagnerrp:

more or less

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earthw0rm:

Intel Core i3 2120 3.3GHz Socket 1155 3MB L3 Cache

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earthw0rm:

£93

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wagnerrp:

easily plenty for mythtv's needs

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earthw0rm:

Just leaves and mobo and GFX card to find

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earthw0rm:

Are NVIDIA still the best on Linux?

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to use the integrated graphics on that i3

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earthw0rm:

Really?!

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wagnerrp:

but nvidia graphics are recommended if you want a discrete card

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earthw0rm:

Will it have HDMI and all that?

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: a lot of them do

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wagnerrp:

HDMI? depends on the board. HDMI audio? no idea

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AndyCap:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-blkdh57j . . . board-mini-i

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wagnerrp:

the graphics core is built into the CPU, but the motherboard provides the assorted transmitters for video output

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earthw0rm:

That's a dinky little mobo

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Beirdo:

it seems that the datadirect issue... at least in the case of #10662 is that the authentication callback doesn't seem to get hit somehow. Adding more logging around that.

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10662 **

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dekarl:

earthw0rm: do you want to add an optical drive? say for ripping blurays? then you're down to 3 hard drives max (which might be plenty if they're big)

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Beirdo:

the packet capture made that very plain.

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earthw0rm:

dekarl: Probably could just play them on the PS3

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: you should think about if you want to build a new backend or new frontend

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: later on.

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earthw0rm:

How do you mean? If this one doesn't end up being good enough?

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dekarl:

earthw0rm: add a small SSD for the OS (some love it, some don't care) and you're down to two :) (but otoh you can rip on another pc and just move the files over and leave the ssd away)

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: or if you want to expand

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: this 4-drive limit, is that because of his case of choice?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: the motherboard I pasted had 4 sata + 1 esata

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: I just looked at the suggested board which has 4 internal SATA ports

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: but it's not a great fit for a combined front/backend

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wagnerrp:

ah, well controller cards are cheap enough

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earthw0rm:

Hmm, maybe need a better board then

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: only one slot and 4 sata leaves little room for expansion

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wagnerrp:

somewhat difficult to find >4 ports on a lower end board

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wagnerrp:

higher end ones might have 8–10

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: last time I looked you had to put the controller into some slot :D

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: but it does have hdmi, sata, room for a cpu that's not atom, small, :)

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: mini-itx board?

[15:29:20]

dekarl:

wagnerrp: no idea, but only 1x PCIe x16 slot

[15:29:31]

dekarl:

yes, mini itx

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: but you can use any size right?

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earthw0rm:

I was wondering about putting one of these it the machine as well, and having it as a MythTV box and Zoneminder CCTV system: http://www.camsecure.co.uk/CamsecureBT878aPCICard.html

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earthw0rm:

AndyCap: pretty much, can find room next to the telly somewhere

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dekarl:

so good for running the PlayTV stick and later add a nice DVB-S(2) card with 1–6 tuners

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wagnerrp:

there are 6-tuner DVB cards?

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wagnerrp:

most ive ever seen is 2

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earthw0rm:

There's never 6 good things on telly to tape at once :D

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AndyCap:

there is a ngene based card with pcie extensions to additional dual-tuner cards, but don't think that counts

[15:34:50]

wagnerrp:

you mean like daughter cards with additional tunes?

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: quad on one board http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6984_PCI . . . uner_TV_Card and then there's one with 2 tuners and up two 2 daughter boards with 2 tuners each

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: yes

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dekarl:

so its up to 6 tuners per PCIe interface

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wagnerrp:

theres the netceiver with three modular cards, up to two tuners each, but i dont think that counts either

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dekarl:

AndyCap: when all you got is one slot on the board it counts lots :D

[15:36:22]

wagnerrp:

ill say the 4-tuner one counts

[15:36:47]

AndyCap:

dekarl: not really. :) http://magma.com/expressbox16basic.asp

[15:36:57]

AndyCap:

yeah, quad tuner is nice.

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dekarl:

ahh, but then you can use SATA port multiplicators, too

[15:37:30]

AndyCap:

dekarl: yep.

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AndyCap:

at least until one considers price.

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: only on supporting hardware

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dekarl:

if you want to learn about high multiplex per Rack unit solutions you got to talk to the mumudvb folks :)

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AndyCap:

since the multipliers I've seen were more expensive than an additional card.

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wagnerrp:

not all controllers do

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dekarl:

they build iptv headends from off-the-shelf pieces there

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AndyCap:

16 pcie slots for $4500 does let me build a few 4–6 slot backends. :)

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: some some point, youre going to run into real contention issues with that

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wagnerrp:

actually... at 1x16 -> 16x1, you really wouldnt

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: the tons of slots on one cpu solution or multiple backends?

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wagnerrp:

i thought you were referring to some 16-slot Magma expander

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: yes, but if I have to consider money, I can build a lot of backends for $4500

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earthw0rm:

What mobo goes with these i3 CPUs then? How do I tell?

[15:41:56]

AndyCap:

earthw0rm: the socket type?

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wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: anything 1155 should work

[15:42:28]

wagnerrp:

(assuming its a modern 1155 i3, and not the older 1156 variety)

[15:42:42]

wagnerrp:

3-digit CPUs are 1156, 4-digit CPUs are 1155

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wagnerrp:

(unless youre talking the rebranded Pentiums, which are all 1155)

[15:43:13]

wagnerrp:

aint it confusing! :)

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earthw0rm:

Bloody is mate!

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earthw0rm:

I was looking at this Intel Core i3 2120 3.3GHz Socket 1155 3MB L3 Cache

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earthw0rm:

£93, and somebody said it'd do a job

[15:44:10]

AndyCap:

earthw0rm: so now you need a lga1155 motherboard with hdmi audio

[15:45:00]

AndyCap:

earthw0rm: your dealers don't have filter functions like this? http://www.komplett.no/k/kl.aspx?bn=10492& . . . 202.K312115.

[15:45:41]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: there is a data warehouse company named BackBlaze that did a "storage pod" a couple years back

[15:45:47]

earthw0rm:

I searched eBuyer for lga1155 and lots came up ...

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wagnerrp:

designed to be a low cost, low performance version of Sun's "Thumper" systems

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: hehe, and lots of people trying to build it themselves

[15:46:38]

wagnerrp:

basically $2500 for a UP Core2 server, commodity motherboard and memory, and a bunch of port multipliers

[15:46:54]

wagnerrp:

the port multipliers (with backplane) they were using were $42 each

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earthw0rm:

What about this thing?

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earthw0rm:

http://www.ebuyer.com/281367-asus-p8z68-v-lx- . . . x-p8z68-v-lx

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: who tried duplicating it?

[15:47:46]

earthw0rm:

That one might not have HDMI audio actually ...

[15:48:09]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: http://bioteam.net/2011/08/why-you-should-nev . . . ckblaze-pod/ comes to mind

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: ill give you one very good reason, they dont do ECC

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wagnerrp:

of course i dont see why building one with proper server gear wouldnt work out

[15:50:43]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I'm sure it will work fine. :)

[15:51:43]

wagnerrp:

"the system uses a single disk for hosting the operating system"

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wagnerrp:

so theyre stupid? simple enough to run a duplicate or triplicate mirrored drives

[15:52:26]

wagnerrp:

"the system requires 2 power supplies to operate"

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earthw0rm:

Is the blurb going to say HDMI audio if it does it?

[15:52:56]

earthw0rm:

Or am I looking for sometihng else?

[15:52:58]

wagnerrp:

again, theyre stupid? its not tough to get your hands on 1000W+ redundant server grade PSUs for only a couple hundred bucks

[15:53:23]

wagnerrp:

"the system has no hardware raid capability"

[15:53:32]

wagnerrp:

what is hardware RAID anyway?

[15:53:47]

wagnerrp:

most of the time its just a little ARM or MIPS chip on an embedded system with a controller

[15:54:00]

wagnerrp:

so you remove the dedicated processor, and offload that work to the CPI

[15:54:11]

wagnerrp:

the CPU isnt doing anything but serving data anyway

[15:54:25]

wagnerrp:

if it becomes too intensive, you upgrade to real server gear with gobs of cores

[15:55:01]

wagnerrp:

"the system only has 2 gbe network interfaces"

[15:55:25]

wagnerrp:

again, real server gear, and stuff in a nice infiniband, or 10gbe card (or multiple)

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AndyCap:

earthw0rm: maybe, maybe not. safe bet? check the manual. and google for linux support

[15:55:54]

wagnerrp:

"to replace a drive, you need to remove screws/cover"

[15:56:28]

wagnerrp:

bleh, a modestly better design could give a sliding lock cover, with latches or thumb screws in the front

[15:56:29]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: and smoking causes cancer.

[15:56:34]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: it's a huge disclaimer

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wagnerrp:

and its not like you didnt have to do the same thing with Sun's comparable systems

[15:56:55]

wagnerrp:

supermicro does it slightly different

[15:57:08]

wagnerrp:

they have hard drives stuffed in both the front and back

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: and supermicro's solution looks butt ugly.

[15:57:21]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: and also looks like the server will suffocate. :P

[15:57:21]

wagnerrp:

yeah, its funky

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wagnerrp:

custom wiring harnesses, custom health status reporting tools...

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AndyCap:

I like the thumper layout.

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wagnerrp:

its not like wiring is all that tough, especially if youre doing it in bulk

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wagnerrp:

and at 1/10th the cost of comparable storage from some mainstream storage provider, you can afford to spend a year's salary on some software engineer to write you a monitoring tool

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: yeah, the thumper systems were just lovely, but even they were several times what that backblaze thing was

[16:00:30]

wagnerrp:

of course they had proper server hardware

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wagnerrp:

dual processor system, custom motherboard with enough controllers linked directly into the bus that you didnt need port replicators, redundant disks and power supplies, toolless design

[16:02:20]

wagnerrp:

best part, they were running ZFS for resilience, rather than a clumsy trio of JFS RAID5 arrays, and some weird middleware for access

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AndyCap:

I'll stick with my consumer solution VG Size: 14.55 TiB

[16:03:23]

wagnerrp:

VG?

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AndyCap:

lvm

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AndyCap:

asus bromolow motherboard, intel sasuc8i controller,

[16:05:58]

wagnerrp:

its a shame its hard to find just a "dumb" controller card with a bunch of ports

[16:06:06]

wagnerrp:

nearly everything is RAID of some sort

[16:06:27]

wagnerrp:

although its not like it takes much logic to run 0/1/10

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: the intel/lsi sas controller was cheap enough, and a lot faster than my existing Sil3114 pci controllers.

[16:07:13]

wagnerrp:

heh, ill bet

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AndyCap:

you get 8 ports without going for an expander

[16:07:41]

wagnerrp:

x8 versus x1, maybe x2?

[16:09:28]

AndyCap:

1/2x perhaps

[16:09:47]

wagnerrp:

i mean the PCIe slot

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AndyCap:

1x = 250 MB/s PCI = 133MB/s unless the card actually ran at 66Mhz

[16:11:07]

wagnerrp:

oh, they were old PCI controllers?

[16:11:47]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: oh yes.

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wagnerrp:

hehehe

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wizbit:

i still havent upgraded to 25.0, im naughty :D

[16:12:28]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: was unable to find a reasonably priced pcie card with more than 2 ports

[16:12:52]

wagnerrp:

double the cost for the pre-built kit from protocase is worth it because you "dont have to build your own damn cable harnesses"

[16:13:35]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: supermicro has a "dumb" 8-port x8 SAS controller built off of some LSI chip for $100

[16:13:39]

wagnerrp:

but its a "UIO" card

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wagnerrp:

meaning the bracket is flipped

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AndyCap:

but the sasuc8i was

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: probably exactly the same card as the intel one

[16:14:36]

wagnerrp:

very possibly

[16:14:38]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: and supermicro has a proper pcie card as well.

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wagnerrp:

s/card/chip/

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earthw0rm:

This is some bloody job finding a HDMI audio motherboard that Linux will like

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earthw0rm:

:)

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jya:

anyone using airplay, if you could try this patch and let me know how it works for you: http://pastebin.com/u0p9eg7z

[16:19:52]

wagnerrp:

jya: know anything about HDMI audio with intel gear?

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** AndyCap has been happy with his DG45FC **

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jya:

wagnerrp: hdmi audio is supported on all intel card with hdmi for quite a while

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wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: ^^^

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earthw0rm:

Are all the motherboard manufacurers going to use the same Intel stuff anyway then?

[16:21:04]

earthw0rm:

Probably doesn't matter which one I get then :D

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jya:

wagnerrp: i'm also pretty sure it supports HBR… but this needs to be checked

[16:21:30]

wagnerrp:

earthw0rm: motherboards only provide the transmitters, video and audio is all done within the CPU itself

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AndyCap:

so since 2009.

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jya:

righto… off to bed… goodnight

[16:21:59]

wagnerrp:

actually, im not sure of that

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: there's plenty of room in the audio codec spec of intel HDA to mess up

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wagnerrp:

the motherboards may mux in the audio themselves at the transmitter

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earthw0rm:

Hmm

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thameslink:

AndyCap: Success! It works with a both DC pass splitter, 2 dvb-s cards only one cable

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AndyCap:

thameslink: I suspect this will break if you try to tune Film 4 and ITV 4

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wagnerrp:

different polarity?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: should be

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thameslink:

AndyCap: The cup is still half full dude

[16:41:04]

AndyCap:

thameslink: more like the cup has invisible cracks that will spill all over your shirt

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thameslink:

Andycap; what do you anticipate will happen?

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AndyCap:

thameslink: you start scheduling recordings and they break randomly

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AndyCap:

unless you only schedule and view one polarity and band at the same time

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dekarl:

thameslink: both cards will tell the lnb to switch vertical/horizontal and high/low, which makes for some funny channel switches ;)

[16:44:47]

thameslink:

well I tuned both to the same frequency and polarity

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AndyCap:

thameslink: if you do that you don't even neeed two cards.

[16:45:20]

AndyCap:

O_o

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thameslink:

because I want to watch 1 multiplex while I record another

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dekarl:

there is a patch floating about that adds unicable support to mythtv, so you could slap a unicable lnb/switch on the dish and change your input configuration, no need for new wires

[16:46:22]

AndyCap:

16:34 < AndyCap> thameslink: dual output lnb or some sort of unicable lnb solution

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dekarl:

AndyCap: correct, either two wires or unicable, which needs the patch from #9726

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9726 **

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thameslink:

It's all a mighty kludge anyway...this is a rental flat with random coax wires poking through the walls.

[16:49:05]

AndyCap:

thameslink: so stick with one card and multirec

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dekarl:

thameslink: crazy idea, ask the landlord what's on the other end of the wire ^^

[16:49:48]

dekarl:

maybe its already setup as unicable and you just need to apply that patch and put in two id numbers

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thameslink:

unfortunately he will not know, he asked me

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wagnerrp:

unicable != diseqc?

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Twiggy2cents:

what is the difference between config.xml and mysql.txt? Is config.xml for the backend and mysql.txt frontend?

[16:56:21]

dekarl:

wagnerrp: its a variant where you can hook multiple receivers on one cable

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dekarl:

the signalling is diseqc style

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: so instead of a whole Hi/Lo Horiz/Vert band you only get enough for a multiplex or so

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AndyCap:

allowing up to 8? tuners on one cable

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dekarl:

AndyCap: something like that... 8 tuners, each getting its own multiplex on its personal frequency

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AndyCap:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_cable_distribution

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dekarl:

^- if you read this you might want to look at the pictures/diagrams on the german article

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AndyCap:

there was a thorough article in what satellite or tele-satellite a few years ago.

[17:00:59]

dekarl:

hmm, the german page talks about a different topic though :) As we have another single cable system...

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AndyCap:

dekarl: principle is the same even if you mix in DVB-T right? :)

[17:02:14]

dekarl:

so single cable can be unicable/EN xx yy or it can be a system where a dedicated headend selects transports and shuffles them around into *one static* set of transports on a single cable

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dekarl:

DVB-T / FM is unrelated as its on lower frequencies (you can put it on the same cable using either system)

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AndyCap:

nothing lives in 850–866 MHz?

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dekarl:

which means, you can feed DVB-T and -S on the same wire but you will not be able to receive DVB-T channels with a DVB-S card (at least thats how I understood it)

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AndyCap:

hah, they even stuff cat-5 ethernet over it.

[17:06:31]

AndyCap:

MUST STUFF EVERYTHING INTO ONE COAX

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wagnerrp:

not cat-6 ethernet?

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wagnerrp:

so 100mbps only?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: not sure how much you can fit in the band 5–47MHz

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wagnerrp:

cat5 is rated for 100MHz, so...

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: but that is baseband.

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wagnerrp:

im not sure the modulation but cat5e does gigabit with only two pairs of 350MHz

[17:09:38]

AndyCap:

um, strike last remark. I'm an idiot today

[17:09:44]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: so? youre just talking about offsetting by 5MHz

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wagnerrp:

i honestly have no idea what kind of bandwidth ethernet actually uses

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AndyCap:

of course, using 5–47 inhouse, precludes using docsis

[17:11:10]

AndyCap:

All of these features combined enable a total upstream throughput of 30.72 Mbit/s per 6.4 MHz channel, or 10.24 Mbit/s per 3.2 MHz channel.

[17:12:10]

AndyCap:

so should be able to stuff 180Mbit/s in there at least

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thameslink:

AndyCap: well it didn't work the second tuner is unavailable

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AndyCap:

o rly? :)

[17:14:26]

thameslink:

But I'm coming out with a new plan, maybe one of these wires lead to a rooftop aerial

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AndyCap:

do you have a clear picture of the amount of work involved in getting a new lnb installed? :P

[17:18:18]

thameslink:

Im not getting anything installed, im trying out a dvb-t card next

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jarle:

mythweb is no longer part of mythplugins? can't seem to find it after switching to 0.25?

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jarle:

uhm, I see, it has it's own github, and it did so the last time I updated too :)

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uzf:

I can't seem to find where you add the first channel to watch

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uzf:

also, when I run mythfrntend, it says "all tuners busy"

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wagnerrp:

uzf: "all tuners busy" generally indicates something is wrong that prevents the backend from recording anywhere

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wagnerrp:

often permissions related

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uzf:

hmm

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jarle:

Information marking a program as HD, or re-run, should be stripped from the description field and the program should be marked accordingly by changing the relevant setting in the database, correct? the description field should not be used for this kind of information?

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jarle:

just making sure before I start hacking at eitfixup.cpp

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wagnerrp:

description field should be used as plot overview/review only

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jarle:

wagnerrp: yes, the eit data I am getting via dvb-s contains this information in the description filed, making duplicate checking only partly working, so guess I'll need to give eitfixup.cpp some love..

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i think hard coding such things into 'eitfixup.cpp' is a bad idea

[18:02:34]

wagnerrp:

seems like a good place for some kind of script interface

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: im sure you could have some valuable input on that

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wagnerrp:

perhaps some CGI-like thing where mythtv sends chunks of xmltv episodes over stdin, and gets reprocessed versions over stdout that it then imports

[18:04:33]

wagnerrp:

or just formulate a whole XMLTV file in one shot

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jarle:

wagnerrp: I agree that hard-coding this stuff seems to not be the best way, but that is the way it has been done up until know as far as I understand..

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wagnerrp:

jarle: right, and i know stuartm has often talked about various things he wanted to add to that

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wagnerrp:

im just trying to think more intelligently

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wagnerrp:

lots of people are going to want lots of different fixes

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wagnerrp:

easier if you could do that through a script, rather than something that require the whole codebase to be rebuild and repackaged

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dekarl:

hmm, for now its hard coded EITFixups, but I can imageine using e.g. Lua scripts in the future

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wagnerrp:

internal scripting engine? not farm out to perl/python scripts like other grabber interfaces?

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dekarl:

farming out is slow, not something you want to do often. compiling a lua function once, then running it on every event is easy.

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dekarl:

jarle: did you consider using _no_gfeed?

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: if you want to go bezerk you can pull in llvm for runtime compiling and optimizing of the fixup scripts :)

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dekarl:

and I picked Lua as an example as lots of gamers already know it, so we can tap new peoples skills

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wagnerrp:

bei rdo actually has a bit of experience in that too

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wagnerrp:

bei rdobot has a (currently disabled) lua module

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dekarl:

jarle: did you look at the existing fixups for norway? maybe all it takes is adding some new DVB ids so they get actually run on your feed :) see https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . up.cpp#L1697 and https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . per.cpp#L864

[18:23:05]

dekarl:

nvm, I just took a look. The existing ones seem to appreciate your TLC ;)

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jarle:

dekarl: I did use gfeed earlier, but I prefer using eit

[18:25:07]

dekarl:

ok. I was just curious as we've extended the codebase in the mean time so you can easily pull in data from tvdb and tmdb :)

[18:25:31]

dekarl:

btw, does your EIT contain the extended key:value feature for e.g. actor lists?

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jarle:

dekarl: I did commit one of the no-fixups quite a while ago. What I see in my description is (HDTV) and (Sendt på nytt) The last one meaning a re-run, so I need to add some lines of code..

[18:26:19]

dekarl:

imho it makes sense to just extend the eitfixups for these easy cases

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jarle:

dekarl: don't think my eit contains the extended stuff (I get both Norwegian and UK channels)

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bjd:

heyas, just a quick question – is it me being daft or is there not an option to delete videos within mythvideo?

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bjd:

using 0.25 btw

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Oleg_:

pressing d button would do that job

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** bjd goes to try **

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bjd:

You're right, thanks.

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uh992k:

good evening :)

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bjd:

I was hoping it might be in a menu but I'll just bind it to some button on my remote

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uh992k:

is it possible to execute a shell-script with a shortcut from within mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

uh992k: yes, you edit the menu XML

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uh992k:

e.g. I'm trying to execute a pulseaudio output switcher from my remote control

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jarle:

dekarl: any hints as where I can find information about the regex stuff used in eitfixup.cpp to match strings? This is part of Qt, right?

[18:41:59]

dekarl:

aye, this sounds about right http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/QRegExp.html

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jarle:

dekarl: found QRegExp on google, guess I'm on the right track...

[18:42:27]

jarle:

dekarl: I just barely beat you to it, but thanx :)

[18:43:11]

dekarl:

jarle: no worries, I looked at it and it talks about the supported regex stuff, so its likely helpful (just saying so I'm more useful then google)

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jarle:

:)

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uh992k:

wagnerrp: do you mean <action>EXECTV ... </action> in e.g. defaultmenu/tvmenu.xml?

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uh992k:

if yes, I don't quite understand the binding of e.g. <type>TV_WATCH_TV</Type>

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uh992k:

hmm ... "A button defines what text appears on the screen and what action will be taken when the user selects the button."

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uh992k:

I think, that's not exactly, what I was searching for

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uh992k:

I wanted to have a remote control button to execute a script which changes my pulseaudio output card

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tank-man:

if you got a remote, why not use lirc to run that script

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uh992k:

hmm ... why not ... actually a good question

[18:56:43]

uh992k:

yes, probably you are right and I was thinking too complicated

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wagnerrp:

uh992k: no, EXECTV allocates a tuner, EXEC just runs an external script and ignores IR input until said script/application has terminated

[18:58:05]

uh992k:

I think lirc does what I wanted ... I guess, I don't have to use mythtv for switching audio

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MrShake:

hey guys, I'm having significant live tv issues since upgrading to 12.04

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tank-man:

#ubuntu ?

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MrShake:

at the moment, clicking "Watch TV" does nothing for a few seconds, and then flashes black for a split second taking me back to the menu

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uh992k:

did you check your backend settings?

[19:32:24]

MrShake:

I have

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MrShake:

they seem fine

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MrShake:

I'm also seeing "error opening jump program file" on both the master backed/frontend and on frontend only boxes

[19:33:25]

MrShake:

oh sure, now its working

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tank-man:

a reboot fixed it?

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MrShake:

no

[19:34:47]

MrShake:

not a reboot

[19:36:04]

MrShake:

I am getting an error stating it appears my backend may be misconfigured

[19:36:21]

MrShake:

would the upgrade have done that?

[19:38:19]

MrShake:

ok, I just exited live tv

[19:38:23]

MrShake:

tried to go back in and ca't

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MrShake:

can't

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MrShake:

http://pastebin.com/shCnX8mk

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MrShake:

frontend log

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russell5_laptop:

do you have the backend log? Also have you tried to launch mythtv-setup then just exiting maybe that could help

[19:41:35]

MrShake:

getting backend log now

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MrShake:

backend log:

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MrShake:

http://pastebin.com/z2WLeizv

[19:42:17]

MrShake:

I'll try running setup

[19:43:52]

MrShake:

ok, ran mythtv-setup and closed it

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MrShake:

restarted the frontend

[19:44:00]

MrShake:

same problem

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russell5_laptop:

are you runing 2 backends?

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MrShake:

no

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MrShake:

1 backend

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MrShake:

that machine is also a frontend

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MrShake:

then 2 other frontend only boxes

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russell5_laptop:

i could be wrong it looks like mythtv thinks theres a slave backend

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russell5_laptop:

adding: mythbuntu-bedroom as a slave backend server

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MrShake:

hrm...

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russell5_laptop:

no idea if that could be it or not

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MrShake:

that one is supposed to be a frontend only

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MrShake:

let me go kill that one

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MrShake:

ok, turned that one off

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russell5_laptop:

then maybe restart the frontend your trying to use

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MrShake:

problem is gone

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MrShake:

haha

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MrShake:

I guess I better reinstall that bedroom computer

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russell5_laptop:

or just stop mythbackend from running

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russell5_laptop:

might be starting automaticly

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MrShake:

true

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MrShake:

thanks for your help!

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russell5_laptop:

np glad i could help

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petethepirate:

How can I get mythtv .25 to scan for new videos? I've tried menu > scan for changes, I've tried mythutil --scanvideo, and new videos aren't showing up, and deleted ones are disappearing. I've even rebooted (it's a master/frontend) mythfrontend shows MythVideo::ScanVideoDirectory Scanning Group (myth://Videos@mythtvname/var/lib/mythtv/videos/) but nothing is updating.

[21:26:23]

russell5_laptop:

have you checked permisions on the files. If the user running mythtv cant read them that could be why

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petethepirate:

Yeah, directorys/files are owner/group are the mythtv user.

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russell5_laptop:

when running mythutil do you log it? or does you see anything that says anything

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petethepirate:

I shows output, where would the log be? I don't see it in /var/log

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russell5_laptop:

it would be in th output or i think the default would be /var/log/mythtv/

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petethepirate:

Sorry, I don't see it in /var/log/mythv I do see something in mythbackend.log. Give me a minute for pastebin.

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russell5_laptop:

and maybe the backend logs will say something

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petethepirate:

http://pastebin.com/jwvXk3F2

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russell5_laptop:

did you put in servername? or is that what it says

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russell5_laptop:

looks like you did just wanted to make sure

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petethepirate:

Names have been changed to protect the innocent :)

[21:40:34]

russell5_laptop:

do you see anything like this in the log

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russell5_laptop:

CoreContext metadatafactory.cpp:588 (customEvent) – Video Scan Complete: a(0) m(45) d(0)

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russell5_laptop:

indicating its done with the scan

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petethepirate:

Yes, twice. Last one 3 minutes ago.

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russell5_laptop:

sorry got nothing for ya.

[21:43:26]

russell5_laptop:

not sure whats going on.

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petethepirate:

Thanks.

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petethepirate:

fg

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petethepirate:

Whoops :)

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MTughan:

I had a bit of problem when I updated my Mythbuntu distribution recently, which resulted in our database being wiped (and me not creating a backup before). I've got a list of videos that need to be readded to the recorded programs DB, but I'm not sure how I should go around this. Should I create the necessary SQL INSERT statements myself, or is there some sort of program to do this?

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sphery:

MTughan: there is no supported way to add non-recorded (or recorded on another system) content to MythTV recordings

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sphery:

MTughan: the approved solution is to add that content to Video Library (formerly MythVideo)

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sphery:

which now has excellent support for metadata (including images and title/subtitle/description/...)

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MTughan:

Even if it was recorded originally under MythTV?

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[TheAsp]:

I wish mythnettv was still supported

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sphery:

and is actually a /much/ better interface for long-term storage of content--meaning you may want to consider moving shows there after recording them, if you plan to keep them

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sphery:

MTughan: yeah, because the only supported way to get stuff into recordings is to have "this" system record it

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sphery:

i.e. mythtv puts stuf into watch recordings

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sphery:

but users put stuff into Video Library

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MTughan:

We might do that then. What actually happened was that we upgraded MythBuntu through the LiveCD, which apparently wiped all of /var without discretion.

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sphery:

:(

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MTughan:

Including /var/lib/mythtv and /var/lib/mysql.

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sphery:

yeah, a db backup is always a good idea before doing any major changes to settings--or, especially, an upgrade

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MTughan:

We still have recordings from a second disk though, and anything that might've been picked up when I did a recovery scan after.

[22:11:38]

MTughan:

Well, the DB backup would've helped here, but it doesn't help with the videos.

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sphery:

true

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sphery:

would have lost them, anyway

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MTughan:

And backing up 1TB+ of video data is a pain at the best of times.

[22:11:58]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I don't back up my video content, either

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MTughan:

In any case, I'm just going through the MythWeb PHP files to try and find out why previews aren't loading.

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MTughan:

All right, PHP isn't helping me too much, as it looks like this issue extends to the backend HTTP server. Can someone maybe help me with mythweb previews?

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MTughan:

Hmm… I'm wondering if the hostname is right. From what I can tell, it's mythbox, but I think it should be mythtv.

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MTughan:

What the… Why do I have 5 copies of mythfilldatabase running

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MTughan:

?

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