Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, April 26th, 2012, 00:01 UTC

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ahhughes:

I think this is my problem http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/476484#476484

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Seeker`:

jya: back, just starting itunes now

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Seeker`:

jya: doesn't come up with any local network hosts when I try to play on Mythtv on htpc

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jya:

it should show up the second you selected the remote speaker

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Seeker`:

nope

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jya:

did you activate littlesnitch?

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Seeker`:

yes

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jya:

the first time you run itunes with littlesnitch, you get a dozen popup

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Seeker`:

it asked me about everything else

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Seeker`:

yup

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Seeker`:

and chrome, and msn, and mail

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jya:

ah yes… I know why

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k-man:

jya, out of interest, why does the RAOP need a rewrite?

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jya:

go into the LittleSnitch rules

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jya:

and uncheck all in the "All Applications" the "Allow connections to local network" and allow connections to local IPV6 network

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jya:

k-man: because I feel like it

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jya:

and I have time to waste :)

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k-man:

fair enough

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Seeker`:

iTunes

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Seeker`:

wants to connect to htpc.local on TCP port 5000 (commplex-main)

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jya:

k-man but more accurately, because as it stands, if you get a drop packet (which is often) you'll get a discontinuity in playback. Re-emitted packet are usually played in a different order. So if you receive 1,2,3,4,7,8,5,6 this usually is the order in which it plays.

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jya:

k-man: the way timing and syncronisation is designed, doesn't follow what I've read from people who have reverse-engineered airplay

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k-man:

ah yeah

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Seeker`:

IP Address fe80::224:8cff:fe02:4404 Reverse DNS Name htpc.local

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jya:

Seeker`: there you go

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jya:

it's a link-local address

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Beirdo:

which we (wisely or unwisely) choose not to bind to

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jya:

k-man: I already have more features working. Like I can display the name of the songs being played. See the progress of where playback is at, display the artwork etc

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jya:

Beirdo: actually, we don't ry not to.. binding by Qt fails

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Beirdo:

no, we choose not to

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jya:

nope.

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k-man:

jya, wow thats cool

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Beirdo:

it's specifically excluded by the stuff wagnerrp put in

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jya:

it's the Qt listen that fails

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jya:

nope

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wagnerrp:

whats that?

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wagnerrp:

oh, the link local stuff

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Seeker`:

jya: how do I fix it then?

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Beirdo:

heh, which would be a reason not to listen on it, but I can't see why is would or should fail

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jya:

Beirdo: by default, it will exclude the link-local address if we let ServerPool try to connect everything. But here I ask ServerPool to bind on all available address. ServerPool does try to bind on those addresses.

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: apparently you have to specify the actual link when listening

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wagnerrp:

for whatever reason, it doesnt have the logic to determine that on its own

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Beirdo:

dumb

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jya:

it tries to bind to : fe80::e6ce:8fff:fe5f:6b9

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jya:

when it should bind to fe80::e6ce:8fff:fe5f:6b9%eth0

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jya:

or something like that

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Beirdo:

anyways, normally, you shouldn't usually depend on link-local for addressing

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jya:

seems that unless you specify which network card to use, the IPv6 stack is unable to determine which one to use

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Beirdo:

I doubt the OS has that issue

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jya:

Seeker`: you need to change your DNS, so link.local is resolved as your actual frontend IP address

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Beirdo:

but meh :)

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wagnerrp:

jya: which really makes you wonder about the underlying library access

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jya:

Beirdo: it does… You can do ping6 unless you tell it which interface

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wagnerrp:

since 'bind' merely takes a 14-byte array

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jya:

wagnerrp: yeah, I'm pretty sure Qt got it wrong there

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Beirdo:

NP: Metallica – For Whom The Bell Tolls (at 125% volume)

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wagnerrp:

hmm... that doesnt make sense

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wagnerrp:

since you cant define an IPv6 address in only 14 bytes

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wagnerrp:

ah, theres a different struct for ipv6 binds

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

sin6_scope_id is the interface index

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jya:

wagnerrp: from what I've read, you can't have a portability-friendly way of retrieving the network interface name (nor retrieve the MAC address)

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wagnerrp:

jya: which is actually why i worked backwards

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wagnerrp:

start from the interfaces, and pull the addresses and broadcast addresses they contain

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wagnerrp:

i simply could not find any way in qt to get the network information from an IP address alone

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Seeker`:

jya: erm, where/ how might I do that?

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wagnerrp:

and leaving the UDP listener to sit on 255.255.255.255 wasnt doing a bit of good

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wagnerrp:

of course now that i think about it, i need to put something in mythutil to figure out what broadcast address to send to

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jya:

Seeker`: when you do nslookup htpc.local

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wagnerrp:

as it defaults to 255.255.255.255

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jya:

where does it get the address from ?

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jya:

wagnerrp: I'm pretty sure all the people on the user list that says they see the device, but can't hear any audio is the same problem

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jya:

bonjour advertise a service name, but that service name can be resolved or be connected to from the client

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jya:

s/can/can't

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Seeker`:

jya: the ip address it my router, but it comes back NXDOMAIN

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jya:

Seeker`: can you tweak the DNS there, to have custom values?

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Seeker`:

mmm, not sure, will have a play

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Seeker`:

jya: would it be possible to have the domain a tweakable value?

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Seeker`:

the router is only able to do IPv4 stuff I think

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jya:

Seeker`: that depends on how you've configured your system

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jya:

in the mean time, the easiest is going to be:

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wagnerrp:

router or switch?

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wagnerrp:

if youre actually routing, sure

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wagnerrp:

if its just a switch, it doesnt know or care what your IPs are

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jya:

edit on your mac the /etc/hosts file ; and add:

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Seeker`:

wagnerrp: its a BT homehub

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k-man:

i upgrade to .25 last night – it mostly went well except for the dumb mistakes I made

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jya:

123.456.789.123 htpc.local

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** wagnerrp doesnt think that address is going to work **

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jya:

sigh… with the right IP address of course

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wagnerrp:

something you might see on NCIS

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wagnerrp:

:)

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jya:

Seeker`: in your case it's 192.168.1.75

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jya:

wagnerrp: nah, on NCIS it would be 1125543.2346456.123123.aabbe

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wagnerrp:

nah, they never have more than four digits

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wagnerrp:

and i think ive only see that once

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jya:

and then they will now precisely where you are, and how you've tweaked routing to go through Africa then Argentina

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wagnerrp:

but they're always using something >255

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Seeker`:

jya: nslookup htpc.home gives a more sensible result, would it be possible to change 'local' to 'home'?

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jya:

Seeker`: local isn't the issue here

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wagnerrp:

which doesnt make sense as there is a ton of reserved network space that is completely legitimate but otherwise unused

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jya:

the issue is that your mac resolve the hostname for your frontend as a link-local IPv6 address which isn't usable

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jya:

wagnerrp: more likely that a lawyer was told that an IP address could bring them a lawsuit

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wagnerrp:

did anyone over sue over jenny?

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Seeker`:

jya: I added that line to /etc/hosts and there isn't any change

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jya:

Seeker`: what line did you add in /etc/hosts?

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Seeker`:

192.168.1.75 htpc.local

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jya:

and when you do ping htpc.local

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jya:

what do you get ?

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jya:

it should be using 192.168.1.75

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Seeker`:

PING htpc.local (192.168.1.75): 56 data bytes

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jya:

good

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jya:

so restart itunes

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jya:

and try again, should work now

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Seeker`:

nope

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jya:

what does littlesnitch states now?

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Seeker`:

jya: still the fe80 address

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jya:

Maybe if you changed System Preferences -> interface -> Advanced -> Configure IPv6 -> link-local only , or manually and leave it blank

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jya:

ultimately, the issue is with myth not listening on link-local address

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jya:

something I'm sure wagnerrp is now hard at play on

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jya:

Seeker`: are you able to compile from source ?

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wagnerrp:

not hard-at, but definitely on the list

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Seeker`:

jya: those changes didn't help

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Seeker`:

technically, yes, might take some fiddling to get the computer booting though

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jya:

on my router, I can enter a list of custom value for the dns

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jya:

so you can make a hostname resolve to a specific address

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Seeker`:

the BT homehub is pretty much useless

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jya:

and not a link-local one

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jya:

Seeker`: are you running a packaged myth, or you compile from source?

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Seeker`:

jya: the one I run on the machines in use is packaged. I am able to run a compiled frontend on a computer I haven't booted in a while.

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jya:

was just to tweak the hostname reported by bonjour

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jya:

I will add a quick tweak that let you override the hostname

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jya:

used by bonjour

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Seeker`:

jya: just doing a git pull, gonna see what happens on this other computer, and see if i can reproduce the problem there

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jya:

Seeker`: is your mac using dhcp ?

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Seeker`:

yes

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jya:

and your htpc?

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Seeker`:

yes, but I think the router is set to always assign the same ip

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jya:

Seeker`: that's okay.. just that usually, when using dhcp, the router also register the name in their local dns entry

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jya:

it's surprising that your hostname would resolve as an IPv6 address

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cesman:

is there a known issue w/ 0.25 scanning a video storage group that is shared over the network?

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wagnerrp:

shared over CIFS, there is some issue that can cause very poor performance and long scans

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Seeker`:

jya: same thing happens on my dev machine

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cesman:

seems I had to delete the SG then recreate it

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wagnerrp:

what was happening?

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cesman:

after that, seems to be as snappy as 0.24

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cesman:

well, I need to finish up work work

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cesman:

wagnerrp: thanks

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** wagnerrp wonders what he did **

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cesman:

wagnerrp: thanks for the response

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cesman:

wagnerrp: when I scanned, it started there was an error

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jya:

wagnerrp: I was thinking (amazing all the ideas you can get while having a shower). Instead of doing a fancy things in ServerPool, looping through a list of interfaces and trying to bind/listen on all of them. Have a method that simply let Qt do its job. That is listen to all, they have a constant for that. For both IPv4 and IPv6, that way it wouldn't fail and link-local would work

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wagnerrp:

it would fail, and is most of the purpose for ServerPool in the first place

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wagnerrp:

some distros are shipping with the 'bindv6only' sysctl enabled

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wagnerrp:

and thats only going to increase as time goes on

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jya:

Seeker`: edit the file mythtv/libs/libmythbase/bonjourregister.cpp line 50, replace NULL, 0, qport with NULL, "htpc.local", qport ...

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wagnerrp:

you either poll the sysctl value directly, and work accordingly

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jya:

wagnerrp: in RAOP, I use the qTcpSocket->bind(port) and it works just fine

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wagnerrp:

which would still require two separate listen servers for v4 and v6 on those systems with it enabled

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jya:

i don't use serverpool, the only place I use serverpool is for the advertising service, and this is where it fails

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wagnerrp:

or you just make everything use the pool

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wagnerrp:

jya: for users with that sysctl set to false, it is not needed

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wagnerrp:

for users with that set to true, you need two separate sockets to listen on both v4 and v6 simultaneously

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wagnerrp:

theres a bit of discussion on the -dev list, and a handful of tickets, related to that

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Seeker`:

jya: doesn't fix it :/

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Seeker`:

no change at all

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Seeker`:

jya: if i use htpc.home instead of htpc.local it works

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Seeker`:

(well, my dev machine version: 'ubuntu.home'

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jya:

Seeker`: try removing the change to bonjouregister and set your hostname to htpc.home

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jya:

and not just "htpc"

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Seeker`:

.home or .local?

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jya:

? I wrote htpc.home didn't I?

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Seeker`:

yes, just wanted to double check

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Seeker`:

jya: nope, that looks for the ipv6 address again (used sudo hostname htpc.home)

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jya:

you would need to restart the frontend after changing the hostname

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jya:

if your hostname is htpc.home, this is what bonjour will use to register

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Seeker`:

I did

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Seeker`:

it it registers with name 'Mythtv on htpc.home', type '_raop._tcp' domain: 'local.'

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jya:

if changing the line for DNSServiceRegister with "htpc.home" made it work; using a hostname of htpc.home will.. the end result is the same

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jya:

Seeker`: that's not a message that matter..

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jya:

that message is in RAOP, it's nothing to do with what the bonjour stuff does

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jya:

mythtv on htpc.home is the name of the service being advertised

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jya:

it has nothing to do with which machine it will try to connect to

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jya:

you could put anything there

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Seeker`:

ok

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Seeker`:

but iTunes still wants to connect to htpc.local, with an ip address fe80::...

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wagnerrp:

heh... "if china wants to build military bases on the moon, we'll be there in 10 months. one month to design, test, and build, and nine more to get there."

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wagnerrp:

s/moon/mars/

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jya:

Seeker`: then you either haven't restarted the frontend or change the hostname prperly

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Seeker`:

jya: I used 'sudo hostname htpc.home'

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Seeker`:

the output of hostname reports htpc.home

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Seeker`:

and I have restarted the frontend

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jya:

on your mac

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jya:

change in Preferences -> Sharing

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jya:

name whatever

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jya:

to name whatever.home

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jya:

hum.. you can't

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jya:

on your mac:

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Seeker`:

I bet this is all because of BT's homehub :/

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jya:

it's to do with your DNS yes

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jya:

on your mac, do sudo hostname blah.home

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jya:

see if that helps

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jya:

(doubt it)

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Seeker`:

jya: it already is

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jya:

oh well, then keep the change in bonjourregister.cpp then

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jya:

I'll add a small mod to force the hostname use

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Oleg_:

nvidia 220 card and nvidia 9500 gt card have approximately the same characteristics?

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Seeker`:

jya: thanks for the rewrite btw, made playback so much better!

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jya:

ah so you got it to work ?

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Seeker`:

I'm doing all of this on my dev machine (so its really been 'ubuntu' instead of 'htpc'), but it works on my dev machine with 'ubuntu.home' in my bonjourregister.cpp file

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Seeker`:

I'm getting sorely tempted to find somewhere high to throw my homehub off of

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Seeker`:

I've got a truely nasty home network setup atm because it can't do wireless bridging properly either

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jya:

Seeker`: try this: http://pastebin.com/Ypr8H55J

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jya:

revert all changes you've made to bonjourregister.cpp

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jya:

apply that patch

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jya:

and run mythfrontend with mythfrontend -v audio --loglevel debug -O BonjourHostname=htpc.home

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Seeker`:

jya: works from my iphone

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Seeker`:

just need to restart my mac as the battery died

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Seeker`:

jya: works from iTunes too

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jya:

good

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jya:

will push that change will be easier to get people going while someone work on the link-local issue

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Seeker`:

should that work for Airplay too?

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jya:

it will work for any bonjour services

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jya:

this only override the autodetection of the hostname as determined by bonjour

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jya:

all docs of DNSServiceRegister states that we should let the default be NULL (e.g. bonjour detecting it)

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jya:

otherwise, all that thing does is hide the real problem

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Seeker`:

jya: thanks for the help. I should probably go get some sleep, it being 0320

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k-man:

if installing from source, is the correct way to clean out old libs and include files by using make uninstall?

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majnoon:

is there a way to do superduper COMPLETE frequency scans ?? (sorry if this MAY be a repost xchat lagging a bit)

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majnoon:

not worried if takes a bit

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bill6502:

wagnerrp: FWIW; http://www.pastebin.ca/2140574. I can bind()/listen() to fe80::f00 in c, but can't figure out the proper incantation for Qt.

[02:53:14]

jya:

k-man: does such thing exist? make uninstall?

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majnoon:

is there a way to do superduper COMPLETE frequency scans ??

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jya:

majnoon: you've asked more than once already.. if someone knew he would have answered.. just wait

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k-man:

jya, err.. i believe its in the make files

[02:54:28]

jya:

k-man: mythtv is pretty well self contained.

[02:54:45]

jya:

looking at uninstall, yes, that remove most of it.. i

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k-man:

jya, is there any kind of document that describes the upgrade process from .24->.25 that you know of?

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k-man:

err... that is if you have installed from source

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jya:

not sure… running the newer version is usually all it needs

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k-man:

jya, well, i had to do a fair bit of cleaning up of old libs and include files to get it to work

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jya:

if you had run that make uninstall, and you had used the same configure argument

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wagnerrp:

bill6502: may have no choice but to manually set up the socket descriptors and force them into QTcpServer

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jya:

there's no more to remove

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wagnerrp:

QTcpServer::setSocketDescsriptor

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k-man:

jya, well – i didn't use the uninstall until after I had fetched .25 from git – which was probably a mistake

[02:56:40]

k-man:

as i didn't think of it

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k-man:

but i also found I had lots of old .23 libs lying around too

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jya:

normally, I simply do a rm -rf /usr/include/mythtv /usr/lib/mythtv /usr/lib/libmyth*

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jya:

assuming your configure prefix is --prefix=/usr

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k-man:

jya, ah – that sounds like a more robust approach

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jya:

removing the /usr/include/mythtv is only necessary to guarantee a proper build

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k-man:

ok thanks for the info

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locuse:

for cleaning up after source builds, 'checkinstall' is extremely handy ...

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k-man:

locuse, thanks i'll check it out

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skd5aner:

forced full ads on youtube videos are really annoying

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[R]:

yeah, how dare they try to make money off soething they provide for free

[03:07:32]

locuse:

youtube is really annoying. they're just being consistent ...

[03:09:52]

skd5aner:

[R]: well, when I go to google news, and click on the one of their featured video news stories, and I have to watch a 30 second spot on a woman who had a stroke because she has smoked too much and so now her son gives her sponge baths – when all I wanted to see was the 20 second spot about the cow who walked through a McDonalds Drive-Thru

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[R]:

lol

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skd5aner:

the 30 second ad kinda kills the very small interest I had in spending my time seeing what the video was about

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k-man:

i've started writing a brief guid to upgrading mythtv (from .24 -> .25) i'd appreciate some feedback on it? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1774741/upgrademythtv.html

[03:32:17]

[R]:

you ened a guide to tell you to delete the old one and install the new one?

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k-man:

[R], well – its not quite that simple, and I was unable to find any document that gives guidance

[03:33:32]

k-man:

in fact, the documents in the source tree, are decidedly out of date

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wagnerrp:

and are likely to stay that way

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wagnerrp:

the plan moving forward is to maintain the copy on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

and configure the book generation mechanism to create HTML docs periodically for the source

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k-man:

wagnerrp, i was unable to find anything in the wiki either. maybe i missed it?

[03:35:40]

** locuse grumbles something sarcastically to wagnerrp abt "as long as the book generation mechanism doesn't depend on matching XMLTV IDs, we'll be fine" ... **

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wagnerrp:

theres the one that originated on the wiki... http://mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index

[03:36:49]

wagnerrp:

and the one that was migrated from the internal documentation... http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO

[03:37:01]

wagnerrp:

hopefully at some point they will get merged and cleaned up

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wagnerrp:

and a mechanism put in place to periodically push them to the website and git

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k-man:

wagnerrp, ok

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k-man:

i'll review those

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k-man:

wagnerrp, i kind of think it would be nice to have upgrading instructions seperate to installation instructions

[03:38:17]

wagnerrp:

so make a separate page and add it to the index

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k-man:

wagnerrp, good plan :)

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locuse:

k-man: what [R] said ... uninstall, reinstall

[03:38:58]

k-man:

well i can tell you it wasn't that simple for me

[03:39:13]

k-man:

and i would have liked some guide to help

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k-man:

when you don't do this stuff every day, its easy to forget a step

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[R]:

the uninstasll step or the install step?

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locuse:

heh

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[R]:

if you are incapable of doing simple tasks like compiling software... maybe you shouldn't?

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k-man:

wagnerrp, so could you cast an eye over what I wrote and tell me if it looks right? no major mistakes in there?

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k-man:

oh , i didn't write the bit about upgrading plugins yet

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wagnerrp:

s/mythtvplugins/mythplugins

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wagnerrp:

mismatch of PREFIX (/usr /usr/local)

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wagnerrp:

'git branch' is for creating new branches

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wagnerrp:

and while you can force it to work with 'git branch --track'

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wagnerrp:

better to do 'git checkout'

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k-man:

wagnerrp, ok

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k-man:

wagnerrp, like git checkout -t origin/fixes/0.25

[03:55:16]

wagnerrp:

no, just 'git checkout fixes/0.25'

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wagnerrp:

no sense making things more difficult than need be

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wagnerrp:

sudo?

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** wagnerrp scoffs **

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k-man:

wagnerrp, ok – but wouldn't you want to track the remote branch? so its easy later to pull updates?

[03:56:05]

wagnerrp:

yes, and if you checkout a branch, you automatically do track

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k-man:

wagnerrp, oh right – thanks :)

[03:56:19]

wagnerrp:

checkout opens a branch, and will automatically pull a remote one if there is no local one

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wagnerrp:

branch creates new local branches, unless you explicitly specify that you want to track a remote one

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k-man:

wagnerrp, ah i see

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k-man:

whats wrong with sudo?

[03:58:14]

wagnerrp:

requires the user be configured to allow a wide range of make and copy functions

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k-man:

wagnerrp, whats the alternative?

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wagnerrp:

many users outside of ubuntu arent going to be configured in that manner

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wagnerrp:

you do tasks as root?

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k-man:

hmmm...

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wagnerrp:

sudo exists because you want to give partial administrative powers to users

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wagnerrp:

except, you are the sole administrator of your machine

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k-man:

wagnerrp, true

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wagnerrp:

you want full administrative powers

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wagnerrp:

limiting yourself to everything through sudo, rather than just using su, is stupid

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k-man:

ok – i'm not going to argue that point

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wagnerrp:

i know thats how ubuntu is set up by default, ive just never been able to understand why

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k-man:

wagnerrp, debian makes it easy to grant that priv. to users by adding them to the sudo group

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k-man:

and personaly, i like to do things like ./configure;make;sudo make install

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k-man:

saves from logging in as root, running make install, then quitting root

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wagnerrp:

grant what priv?

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wagnerrp:

the privileges of "everything"?

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k-man:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you can do that just as well by adding those users to wheel

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k-man:

thats new to me

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k-man:

i don't think debian uses wheel

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wagnerrp:

users must be in the group "wheel" in order to be allowed to "su" into root

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wagnerrp:

technically, it has nothing to do with the name, but group number 0

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k-man:

wagnerrp, i see

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[R]:

yeah, but with sudo i dont have to type a password

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wagnerrp:

sure you do, you have to type your own password

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

i use nopasswd

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wagnerrp:

but that is the only advantage, you dont have to give out the actual admin password

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k-man:

wagnerrp, i googled "debian wheel" and found this: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4460/ . . . p-by-default

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt have to be wheel, just a group with an ID of zero

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k-man:

apparantly wheel is a tool of oppression

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wagnerrp:

there MUST be a group of ID 0

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k-man:

wagnerrp, understood

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k-man:

i;m not arguing that!

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k-man:

wagnerrp, anyway, do you object to me using sudo in this guide?

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wagnerrp:

not really

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wagnerrp:

since that sadly appears to be the route everyone is taking

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

thanks for your blessing ;)

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wagnerrp:

its a brave new world out there where the user cannot be trusted from themselves

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wagnerrp:

we must protect them for their own good

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k-man:

wagnerrp, i use su too, but for one linerse its quicker to use sudo imho

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wagnerrp:

why? you can supply a single command to run with su

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k-man:

it depends on what I'm doing. sudo make install is more convenient for me, but suppose I am trying to debug why httpd is screwing up or something, then i'd log in a root to do that

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k-man:

wagnerrp, habbit i suppose

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k-man:

i just like it i think

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CyberKnet:

My back end is not recording programs (can't find a rhyme to which ones) today... trying to figure out what the problem is.

[04:16:00]

CyberKnet:

I see this in the log: MPEGRec(/dev/video0): Device error detected

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wagnerrp:

IVTV card?

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CyberKnet:

having trouble figuring out which card that is.

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CyberKnet:

I have a PVR-500 and a HVR-2250. I didn't think I set up the HVR-2250 analogs though

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wagnerrp:

check dmesg, or lspci

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CyberKnet:

so I suspect it's the ivtv

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wagnerrp:

simple check, the 500 places additional nodes at +24 and +32

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CyberKnet:

+24 and +32 are present

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CyberKnet:

if ivtv had loaded into video3 and video4, would those be +26 and +34 ?

[04:19:03]

wagnerrp:

2 and 3

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CyberKnet:

(I have both HVR-2250 and PVR-500 in this backend, driver loaded for both)

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wagnerrp:

meaning the -2250 is 0 and 1

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CyberKnet:

I have video 0,1,2,24,25,32,33

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CyberKnet:

and 3

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wagnerrp:

then the -500 is 0 and 1

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CyberKnet:

sorry. skipped it.

[04:19:56]

CyberKnet:

ok. answer: Yes, ivtv card.

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CyberKnet:

confirmed from dmesg too.

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CyberKnet:

I do see in dmesg "[171226.012033] ivtv1: Detected in ivtv_serialized_open that firmware had failed – Reloading"

[04:22:00]

CyberKnet:

I guess I should google that.

[04:22:35]

CyberKnet:

hmmm... a random mythbuntu hit showing someone with a dead card

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CyberKnet:

but they were losing sound. I just have nothing recording.

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: you asked about ivtv pretty quickly... did you have something in mind

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wagnerrp:

it was trying to use it as an mpeg encoder

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wagnerrp:

if you were using a framegrabber as an mpeg encoder, that would be bad

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CyberKnet:

oh, right.

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CyberKnet:

nope, this is an mpeg encoder.

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CyberKnet:

ugh. I wonder if I should just ditch the 500 and order another HVR-2250

[04:25:55]

CyberKnet:

Is there another card of choice for receiving Clear QAM / ATSC / Analog these days, or is 2250 still it?

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wagnerrp:

for all three, and two tuners, thats the one

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CyberKnet:

cut analog, and?

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wagnerrp:

for clearqam, theyre all the same

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wagnerrp:

for atsc, some have better tuners/demods

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wagnerrp:

whats good and whats bad? really cant say

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wagnerrp:

newer is better than older

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wagnerrp:

apparently the new HDHR has much better reception than the old one

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wagnerrp:

there were some complaints about reception on the original -1600

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locuse:

still fighting "no data" results after mythfilldatabase :-/ here's verbose session output: http://pastebin.com/Nw2ATdfr

[04:30:46]

locuse:

Is there anything there that says 'filed' to anyone?

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CyberKnet:

weird thing though: I cant seem to get a signal lock on the second input of the the 2250 right now either.

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locuse:

s/filed/failed/

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wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: perhaps its in use?

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wagnerrp:

you do know there are only two inputs, and you need to put the analog and digital pairs into input groups to define their mutual exclusion, right?

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: would myth let me try to use the input if it was in use?

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wagnerrp:

yes, unless you told it not to (through input groups)

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CyberKnet:

I didn't create a capture card for the analog inputs on the 2250

[04:36:47]

CyberKnet:

Then there's multirec to take into account as well, right?

[04:37:07]

CyberKnet:

because mythfrontend has two "inputs" listed for each of my HD inputs.

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wagnerrp:

wont make any difference

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CyberKnet:

but in any case, nothing is recording in HD right now.

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CyberKnet:

and I can't get a lock on "COX HD2" which is the second input on the 2250

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wagnerrp:

locuse: what happens if you just run it with '--do-channel-updates'?

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locuse:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/Livsg0DW , and still "no data" in the EPG

[04:43:45]

wagnerrp:

have you yet just bit the bullet and manually defined those xmltvids?

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locuse:

wagnerrp: yep, that was done last night

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wagnerrp:

you actually have a lineup n schedules direct configured for that account?

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wagnerrp:

it is pulling 700KB/day

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locuse:

yes

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wagnerrp:

i guess thats reasonable

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locuse:

it looks — to me — like the data is being pulled, entered into the DB. just not displayed in the EPG ...

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wagnerrp:

no, nothing is being inserted into the db

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wagnerrp:

says everything is 0 added

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locuse:

altho, on the status page: "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2012-04–25 21:40:02 and ended on 2012-04–25 21:40:05. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure."

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locuse:

wagnerrp: in case it matters, status page -> http://pastebin.com/hTWytvEf

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locuse:

wagnerrp: and, iirc, the xml data import functionality is not so hot ... ?

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wagnerrp:

works just fine with xmltv grabbers

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wagnerrp:

somewhere, somehow, there is a disconnect in your configuration between the video source and the listing data you are pulling for it

[05:02:41]

wagnerrp:

no idea what would be causing it

[05:02:50]

wagnerrp:

ive never heard of anyone having such problems with SD

[05:04:26]

CyberKnet:

alrighty. I just booted the box. will see how it goes. It's been having issues like this for the past 3–4 months though.

[05:04:40]

CyberKnet:

Getting kinda old and frustrating since I don't know how to troubleshoot it.

[05:04:42]

locuse:

wagnerrp: i ran a quick test this morning with the same source, but 'into' a tvheadend backend. that worked fine.

[05:04:53]

CyberKnet:

and "reboot it" is slowly killing the WAF

[05:05:16]

wagnerrp:

locuse: you did select the correct lineup in the video source?

[05:05:38]

wagnerrp:

you give it your login/pass, and it connects and populates a dropdown of available lineups

[05:05:46]

wagnerrp:

youve selected one and hit 'finish'?

[05:06:15]

locuse:

wagnerrp: i only have one lineup defined. and yes, it's selected + finish.

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FLeiXiuS`:

Bah – livetv bug is a killer.

[05:11:57]

locuse:

wagnerrp: after having manually entered the XMLTV IDs in the MytheWeb intfc, if I were to exec a ChannelEditor:GlobalOptions:ChannelScan in mythtv-setup on the backend it would ... overwrite my manual tweaks?

[05:12:25]

wagnerrp:

mythfilldatabase should never add or delete digital channels

[05:12:38]

wagnerrp:

and it should only alter xmltvids if none is set

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locuse:

and the GUI at that point *is* execing a mythfilldatabase?

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wagnerrp:

oh, channelscan...

[05:14:07]

wagnerrp:

it should only wipe your changes if there is no matching channel found in the same location as you had stored

[05:14:18]

locuse:

wagnerrp: worth a try?

[05:14:34]

wagnerrp:

running a channel scan? i dont know what that would accomplish

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locuse:

grasping at straws ... trying to figure out how to get the data INTO this thing

[05:23:47]

ahhughes:

can I expect to be able to run a 0.25 front end with a 0.24 backend?

[05:23:56]

wagnerrp:

no

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FLeiXiuS`:

I'm eagerly waiting for the jump file error to be fixed.. for 0.25

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locuse:

wagnerrp: here's a surpise ... my entire EPG remains blank, with "no data" everywhere ... EXCEPT, 3pm-5pm for Wed Apr 25,2012. it's sporadically populated: http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2061/mythepg.png. the 'rest', still "no data"

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k-man:

for some reason I have --graboptions --daily in my mythfilldatabase cron job

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k-man:

i have no idea what shepherd's --daily option is used for

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locuse:

k-man: did you check the Shepherd wiki's FAQ?

[06:07:25]

k-man:

locuse, yeah googled around, i think it was an old option that has now been removed

[06:07:30]

k-man:

not needed any more

[06:07:59]

locuse:

what site did you look at?

[06:15:38]

k-man:

locuse, oh, i found the email that was posted to the users mailing list ages ago that explained it

[06:15:57]

locuse:

its explained on the FAQ

[06:16:01]

k-man:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2011-July/071055.html

[06:17:51]

k-man:

locuse, i think it has been removed from recent versions of shepherd and it is implied when you call shepherd

[06:18:26]

k-man:

i expect shepherd won't complain if you call it with --daily, but it is not needed any more afaict

[06:18:48]

locuse:

read. the. faq.

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k-man:

locuse, can you give me the url you are fefering to please?

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k-man:

s/fefering/refering

[06:20:01]

locuse:

http://bit.ly/IaxPIl

[06:23:05]

k-man:

smart arse

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locuse:

really. bye now.

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FLeiXiuS`:

lol

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FLeiXiuS`:

lmgtfy <3

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locuse:

FLeiXiuS`: people ask for help, you tell them where to find it, and then they call you names ...

[06:27:59]

FLeiXiuS`:

locuse, It's easier to get someone to do the work for you though ;-)

[06:28:34]

locuse:

apparently not.

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justinh:

hahahaha. a customer I've been emailing just complained that I bottom post in replies. Because he uses a Blackberry

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** justinh makes a note to *always* reply at the bottom **

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Beirdo:

my head hurts from banging it on the wall trying to get this working

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Beirdo:

I think the guy who made nzmqt missed some rather important things.

[07:05:12]

Beirdo:

if you close a socket, it screws up the polling because he didn't unregister on close

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Beirdo:

so my auto-closing of logfiles... borked at the moment :)

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Beirdo:

got it :)

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Beirdo:

now I need to exclude LOCAL logging from the timeout

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Beirdo:

hmmm, shouldn't have to.

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Beirdo:

fixed :)

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Beirdo:

I guess I'm at the point where all that's left is to fix the build :)

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Beirdo:

but that's later. bed

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IMSanchMac:

just upgraded from .24fixes to .25, all is well except my channel icons don't show in the frontend anymore, do I need to redefine them somewhere?

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IMSanchMac:

they still show up in mythtv setup and mythweb

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dekarl-too:

IMSanchMac, thats a known issue with Shepherd

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dekarl-too:

IMSanchMac: see http://svn.whuffy.com/changeset/1399/trunk for the fix. But I have no idea if you need to manually trigger something or if everything should be automatic

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IMSanchMac:

cheers

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IMSanchMac:

I didn't use shepherd to fetch my icons, but do use it as my grabber

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dekarl-too:

hmm, is that a remote or local frontend?

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IMSanchMac:

combined FE/BE

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IMSanchMac:

icon paths are still in the DB

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dekarl-too:

I'd try to clean out the icons and set them again. I'm not sure if 0.25 changed local icons somehow when making remote icon display via the icons storage group... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/cda7871 . . . c1864/mythtv

[11:02:58]

IMSanchMac:

yeah was thinking of changing to a different icon set to better suit the theme I'm using anyway

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IMSanchMac:

so will give that a go

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IMSanchMac:

oh do I need a storage group defined for icons now?

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dekarl-too:

I think it will fall back to the "default" storage group ;)

[11:03:54]

dekarl-too:

At least I didn't do anything to make it work

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dekarl-too:

IMSanchMac: If you switch to one of the shepherd themes (and it works), can you update http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Australian_TV_Listings#Shepherd&nb sp;?

[11:05:45]

IMSanchMac:

sure

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k-man:

is there a key to take a screenshot of a recording?

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CiaranG:

iirc, there's not one by default, but you can map one

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k-man:

CiaranG, ok thanks

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CiaranG:

(although sadly it crashed for me 99 times out of 100 in 0.24 – haven't tried in 0.25 yet though, thanks for the reminder)

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k-man:

i chose ctrl-s but thats no good

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skd5aner:

you tried to map it to ctrl-s?

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skd5aner:

try mapping the screenshot jumppoint to alt+S

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skd5aner:

Ctrl+S is already defaulted to Search i believe

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k-man:

yeah thats why it was not a good choice :)

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CiaranG:

That's rather unintuitive, to say the least. If you edit a keybinding, and then press escape, you get a 'Save Changes' ok/cancel dialog. I daresay anyone would expect that pressing Escape there would be the same as hitting cancel.

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CiaranG:

It's not though – Escape means 'yes, please throw away my changes'

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IMSanchMac:

still no joy with channel icons, gotta head to bed but I'll leave this log entry in case someone can figure what's going on:

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IMSanchMac:

2012-04–26 23:14:13.055367 I [24089/24089] CoreContext mythcorecontext.cpp:1178 (CheckProtoVersion) – Using protocol version 72

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IMSanchMac:

2012-04–26 23:14:13.069381 E [24089/24089] CoreContext mythuihelper.cpp:1378 (LoadScaleImage) – MythUIHelper: LoadScaleImage(myth://ChannelIcon@10.190.33.38:6543/home/mythtv/icons/

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IMSanchMac:

abc-news-24.png) failed to load image

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IMSanchMac:

icons are there and happily displayed by mythtv-setup

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skd5aner:

you have a storage group called ChannelIcon that is set to a drive?

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skd5aner:

s/drive/dir

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CiaranG:

k-man: I can't get it to work with any key mapping in 0.25, it just seems to ignore it. Any luck for you?

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dekarl-too:

IMSanchMac, skd5aner: is that after telling shephard which icon theme you want and running mfdb manually to import the new icons?

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skd5aner:

dekarl-too: no idea, just trying to make sure he's got the myth side setup

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beadle:

I'm the happy owner of a new InfiniTV4 PCIe card. Well, mostly happy. I'm not yet able to get it to work. My system is Fedora 16 x64 running MythTV 0.25. Can anyone please help?

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skd5aner:

beadle: have you looked here? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ceton_InfiniTV_4

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beadle:

yes I've tried to follow that but mythtv says it can't access the card. at 192.168.200.1-RTP.0

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beadle:

not sure what to use as video source so I used my existing schedules direct which would be standard cable

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beadle:

when I scan for channels mythtv tells me it 'Failed to open card'

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k-man:

CiaranG, no, i didn't manage to either

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beadle:

Ceton linux support told me to set the IP using ifconfig. without that I don't get an IPV4 address, only IPV6. If I do that I can access the device web page but I still see log messages about not detecting a carrier

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k-man:

skd5aner, what did you mean by assigning it to a jumpoint?

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beadle:

sorry for all the detail I just don't know what will be useful

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wagnerrp_:

beadle: you may want to read through the mailing list

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wagnerrp_:

our ceton support in 0.25 was actually created by a user using some specific Ceton interface

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wagnerrp_:

rather than the more typical OCUR method ceton may be used to dealing with

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wagnerrp_:

0.26, or maybe 0.27, will likely see support for that device, as well as the HDHRP and DCR-2650, supplanted by a proper OCUR input type

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wagnerrp_:

specifically, Ronald Frazier

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wagnerrp_:

this might be of assistance... http://mythtvblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/ceton- . . . -part-1.html

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beadle:

well that's distressing. I bought the card based on the wiki statement of support in 0.24 with patches...supported in 0.25. In June my analog cable goes away.

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beadle:

yesterday I wasn't able to cat from the video device but I

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beadle:

I

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beadle:

've updated firmware so let me try that

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wagnerrp_:

beadle: it should work, many people have been successfully using it

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wagnerrp_:

but as official support did not exist until 0.25, weve been recommending people get the HDHomeRun instead

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wagnerrp_:

which means there are not going to be a whole lot of people experienced with the ceton, to know the process for getting one running

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beadle:

If I cat the video device I get zero bytes. The readme says to use /dev/ceton/ctn91xx_mpeg0_0 but there are a lot of variables. I also noted the postings from folks who say it is working for them so I guess I'll have to work through it.

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beadle:

I think at this point it's a Ceton issue so I'll "bother" them for now. Thanks for your help!

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locuse:

does MythTV scanner use tv_grab_*, or does it use it's own scanner code?

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wagnerrp_:

for schedules direct, it has its own internal scanner code

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wagnerrp_:

for everything else, mythfilldatabase will pull data through a defined XMLTV grabber script, or can be fed the XMLTV files directly

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locuse:

wagnerrp_: hi. then for reference, using tv_grab_na --> tv_grab_na_dd --config-file "/var/lib/mythtv/na_dd.conf" --> Downloaded 7104 programs in 28 seconds. A full & complete EPG is retrieved.

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wagnerrp_:

properly inserted into the database and all?

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wagnerrp_:

tv_grab_na_dd is just the XMLTV grabber that interfaces with DataDirect (schedules direct)

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locuse:

this is into freeguide, tvheadend &/or at shell. I haven't tried anything with Myth yet.

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skd5aner:

beadle: you'll probably have more luck asking for help with the ceton on the mailing list – I'm sure several users will be able to respond with advice

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beadle:

skdSaner: I'll try that too. thanks

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dekarl-too:

skd5aner: does he (manually) need to setup anything at all? I thought mfdb would take care, but it seems to put the icons in $CONFDIR/channels/ instead of any storage group :(

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wagnerrp_:

we dont have a controllable storage group for channel icons do we?

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wagnerrp_:

i thought $CONFDIR/channels/ was hardwired

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dekarl-too:

so the channel icons end up in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels/<filename> on a default MythBuntu install if I understand correctly

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dekarl-too:

wagnerrp_: it is hardwired in mfdb :(

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wagnerrp_:

i mean, i thought it was static everywhere

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wagnerrp_:

i think there is even one of those "special" storage groups pointing to that location

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wagnerrp_:

like there is for 'tmp' and 'themes'

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wagnerrp_:

yeah... 'ChannelIcons'

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dekarl-too:

maybe, but "myth://ChannelIcon@10.190.33.38:6543/home/mythtv/icons/" sounds a bit strange

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wagnerrp_:

there are pre-defined ones for 'ChannelIcons', 'Themes', 'Temp', 'Streaming', and '3rdParty'

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wagnerrp_:

that does sound strange, it should be myth://ChannelIcons@xxx:6543/blah.png

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wagnerrp_:

no absolute path is needed or wanted

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dekarl-too:

so mfdb is writing the wrong path into the database?

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wagnerrp_:

thats the value that shows up in the database?

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wagnerrp_:

or just something in the logs?

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wagnerrp_:

the logs may simply expand the path to show the absolute path it is being stored to

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wagnerrp_:

but for access, you want relative path to the root of the storage directory

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locuse:

for manual input of externallt retrieved xml data, this is the correct procedure?

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locuse:

tv_grab_na_dd --quiet --config-file "tv_grab_na_dd.conf" > epg.xml

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locuse:

sudo -u mythbackend mythfilldatabase --file --sourceid 1 --xmlfile epg.xml --verbose all

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wagnerrp_:

i dont know why you keep running this with sudo

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dekarl-too:

I don't know, just quoting from IRC, but the code says its the value in the DB https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ata.cpp#L189

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wagnerrp_:

all mythfilldatabase needs is knowledge of the database, and if reading a file/script, read access to that

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wagnerrp_:

it doesnt care what user it runs as

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wagnerrp_:

locuse: is it at all possible you have two separate databases configured

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locuse:

because my myth user is 'mythbackend', my data is in that users' home dir, and the ownership is all mythbacked:video.

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wagnerrp_:

and the ~/.mythtv/config.xml or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt for the 'mythbackend' user define the wrong database

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locuse:

no, not possible. one and only one DB

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wagnerrp_:

just taking guesses at this point

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dekarl-too:

wagnerrp_: sorry, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ata.cpp#L291 <- it stores the full patch of the file its writing to in the DB

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dekarl-too:

s/patch/path/

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wagnerrp_:

dekarl-too: that should be changed...

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wagnerrp_:

we should only be storing the name, not the path

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wagnerrp_:

since all that stuff should be stored flat anyway

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wagnerrp_:

perhaps carry over from before storage groups existed?

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dekarl-too:

I agree, but there are more issues a) it seems he didn't do as I asked him, b) the StorageGroup names don't line up, either he wrote it down manually or somewhere is a typo in the SG name :)

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dekarl-too:

I think so, looks like an oversight when a non-xmltv-dev converted the code to SG usage

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wagnerrp_:

mythfilldatabase stores this stuff to the SG over mythproto then?

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wagnerrp_:

must be something new with 0.23+

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wagnerrp_:

since writing to storage groups was not supported until that version

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wagnerrp_:

TBH, i think its been at least that long since ive updated by icons

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wagnerrp_:

ive got all filesystem paths for mine

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wagnerrp:

jams: you around?

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wagnerrp:

top of smolt.py, theres some 65 lines of PCI class definitions

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wagnerrp:

but they do not appear to be used anywhere

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wagnerrp:

left over cruft from versions past?

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locuse:

wagnerrp: fyi, a manual pull of epg data from SD, with an attempt to load into mythfillbackend, using the cmd format i asked abt above -> http://pastebin.com/ZpjfN068

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wagnerrp:

run 'SELECT channum,callsign,xmltvid FROM channel;' just to make sure you actually have IDs defined in the database

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locuse:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/u3Lh3RsF

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locuse:

that's also what appears in the MythTV ChannelEditor screen, so that'd have to from the DB, i suppose

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locuse:

wagnerrp: [07:50] <wagnerrp_> for schedules direct, it has its own internal scanner code

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locuse:

why?

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wagnerrp:

thats a very good question

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locuse:

curious, as tv_grab_na_dd seems to work

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wagnerrp:

it seemed like a good idea at the time?

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locuse:

heh

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jams:

wagnerrp- yes I think it is. To be honest I never knew what that was for and the little bit I poked didn't also didn't show it being used anywhere.

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jams:

as the top of the file states, it could use some cleanup :)

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jams:

btw unless you object I'm going to remove the database age min/max/avg from being displayed.

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jams:

never meant to make that public, as the breakdown by years is just above it

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wagnerrp:

sounds good

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, a chart would be nice, but theres no real need to have access to the individual data

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wagnerrp:

especially when the minimum might be a day in the future

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wagnerrp:

and its just a rough estimate going off the scheduling data anyway

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skd5aner:

anyone ever try to extend IR over Cat5/Cat6?

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wagnerrp:

receiver or transmitter?

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wagnerrp:

receiver, youre going to need to put a powered op-amp at the working end

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wagnerrp:

transmitter, youll just need to make sure to size your protection circuitry based off the length of the lead

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: what is the intended application?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you could use LVDS too :)

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Beirdo:

get some nice high data rates too. Probably need a transistor boost after the receiver to drive an LED though

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locuse:

i'm at wits' end. is there some way to trace with more detail why MythTV refuses to 'take in' any XMLTV EPG data fro SD — either via it's internal scanner or importing an external file? at this point, everything I try for EPG import/display works — except Myth.

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locuse:

buehler?

[17:12:52]

locuse:

is that question more appropriate for #mythtv? everytime i've stumbled accidentally in there in the past, Beirdo's politely told me to get lost ...

[17:13:21]

wagnerrp:

#mythtv is for discussion of the development of mythtv, where as this channel is for user support

[17:13:38]

wagnerrp:

this is the correct channel, however i have no clue why it would not be working

[17:13:48]

locuse:

Right. Is 'this' a user issue, or a code/dev/bug issue, at this point?

[17:14:52]

wagnerrp:

its potentially a bug, but sufficient rare that no one else seems to have any problems with SD

[17:15:06]

locuse:

wagnerrp: i hear you. that's why i'm asking if there's a good way to get useful, greater detail, so that 'someone' CAN help figure out what's going on.

[17:15:12]

wagnerrp:

more likely some overlooked configuration setting that got tweaked

[17:15:50]

jams:

there are a few others on -users who have similiar problems

[17:15:54]

jams:

the mailing list

[17:16:32]

wagnerrp:

where it reports no errors, but simply downloads nothing?

[17:16:53]

wagnerrp:

is that what that thread from 2 days ago is discussing?

[17:17:13]

jams:

didn't read it that closely

[17:17:44]

locuse:

entirely possible. if so, it's hiding well! these are the facts. i can build/install mythtv at will. i can reproduce this problem on multiple boxes. with mythtv. on any/all boxes, i can access/retrieve/see/use EPG's with other apps, no issues.

[17:17:59]

wagnerrp:

locuse: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2012-April/332660.html if youre curious

[17:18:28]

locuse:

wagnerrp: heh, it's very relevant: "Crap crap crap crap CRAP!" reading further ... ;-)

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locuse:

wagnerrp: tried all the options in that thread, same results: 'no data' ...

[17:25:15]

locuse:

looking to see/find the SD bug ...

[17:28:59]

locuse:

must be a Stealth-zilla distro. Can't find the silly thing. :-/

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wagnerrp:

jams: where are we getting this 'i686' arch from in the stats?

[17:52:58]

wagnerrp:

read_cpuinfo returns the platform, only it hardcodes it as i386

[17:53:05]

wagnerrp:

but thats meaningless because its discarded anyway

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Beirdo:

locuse: why are you using XMLTV for SD?

[17:59:22]

dekarl-too:

wagnerrp: does what I have written in #10659 make sense?

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10659 **

[17:59:30]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: because for whatever reason, the internal routines are not doing anything

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[18:00:02]

Beirdo:

well, put it back to the internal, and get a tcpdump of the traffic :)

[18:00:08]

wagnerrp:

dekarl-too: looks good enough

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wagnerrp:

although that whole interface could stand to be rethought

[18:00:54]

wagnerrp:

(or it already has been, and i still have old icons laying around)

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locuse:

Beirdo: tcpdump traffic? between what and what? the problem is not getting data from SD. XMTLTV does that fine, and its perfectly good data usable by tvheadend, freequide, etc etc. just not MythTV.

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Beirdo:

(run as root): tcpdump -s0 -i any host 144.142.232.53 -w /tmp/dump.pcap

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Beirdo:

the IP address is that of webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com.

[18:03:31]

Beirdo:

don't worry, your user/passwd never go in cleartext

[18:04:16]

wagnerrp:

they dont? we fixed that?

[18:04:21]

Beirdo:

let that run while you do a mythfilldatabase using the standard datadirect method, and then (if you wish) the xmltv one

[18:04:43]

Beirdo:

it never went cleartext on that, it's htdigest

[18:05:02]

wagnerrp:

oh, it was clear on the command line passed to wget

[18:05:10]

Beirdo:

yeah :)

[18:05:18]

Beirdo:

but not on the wire

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Beirdo:

anyways, once you have a capture, stop tcpdump, and you should be able to open it in wireshark (or send it to me )

[18:07:53]

jams:

wagnerrp- smolt.py around line 238 platform.machine()

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locuse:

Beirdo: it's open in wireshark ...

[18:08:32]

Beirdo:

how does it look

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wagnerrp:

jams: ah, didnt realize there was a whole native library for that purpose

[18:11:28]

locuse:

Beirdo: -> http://pastebin.com/PvPK5inf

[18:12:57]

locuse:

that's from an exec of "mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all"

[18:14:33]

jams:

that comment at the top of read_cpuinfo is pretty accurate

[18:16:17]

wagnerrp:

well im cleaning that up a bit as im moving it over to the os-specific version

[18:16:25]

wagnerrp:

but its still going to be pretty ugly

[18:17:06]

locuse:

all that seems to verify is what we've been seeing so far ... that the data is pulled (roughly ~700K). just not entered ... or do you read that tcpdump as something different?

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Beirdo:

unknown pasteid

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locuse:

Beirdo tcpdump output while (1) mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all: http://pastebin.com/NASYRy2c, and (2) tv_grab_na_dd --config-file "/var/lib/mythtv/.xmltv/tv_grab_na_dd.conf": http://pastebin.com/PxAmA90D

[18:29:41]

Beirdo:

is it possible I can get the pcaps?

[18:30:16]

Beirdo:

the magic is in the data payloads, not the headers :)

[18:33:15]

locuse:

sur

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anku:

Anyone know anything about VDPAU settings?

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wagnerrp:

such as?

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anku:

Well the thing is I have a ASRock 3d Vision with a NVidia card. It should be good enough for VDPAU, right?

[19:16:09]

wagnerrp:

GT425M... should be fine

[19:16:34]

wagnerrp:

youll probably be limited to 'VDPAU Normal' for deinterlacing

[19:16:40]

anku:

And the problem is on 1 channel I get alot of "stuttering" and what looks like decryption errors when there is alot of camera panning. But only on one channel, so I wonder if there is any settings I can test?

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv?

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anku:

Ok. I tried all of the different settings in mythtv, but still the "stuttering" effect is there on that ONE channel...

[19:17:32]

anku:

0.24

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anku:

The latest version in the Mythbuntu repos

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wagnerrp:

there is some 'vdpaubuffersize' option you can add to the playback profile

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wagnerrp:

default is 17, valid range is up to 50

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wagnerrp:

in 0.25, automatic handling of this has improved, and manually setting it should be unnecessary

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anku:

OK, I'll try that... Thanks.

[19:19:17]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Artifacts

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anku:

Since you guys usually know this as well, are there many improvements to the livetv part of 0.25?

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wagnerrp:

there were a number of commits to that intend made shortly before the 0.25 release

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Beirdo:

and it's still being worked on

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wagnerrp:

oh this probably isnt good...

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** wagnerrp just learned how to interface with C libraries in python **

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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uh992k:

hey all :)

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uh992k:

does someone know if it is possible to move the osd further to the bottom of the screen?

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wagnerrp:

likely requires editing the theme

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uh992k:

I had a look but I didn't found it ... I would have had expect it in /usr/share/mythtv/themes

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wagnerrp:

only if it came with mythtv

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uh992k:

It's called "steppes 1.5" but there are no files calling steppes*

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uh992k:

ah ... what would be another location for them?

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wagnerrp:

that likely would have been downloaded through the theme chooser

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wagnerrp:

so somewhere in ~/.mythtv/

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wagnerrp:

maybe ~/.mythtv/themes/

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uh992k:

thx, I havn't searched there, yet :)

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anku:

Probably in ~/.mythtv/themes/

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uh992k:

hmm ... there is something, but I doubt it's the correct location: ./tmp/remotethemes/0.25/Steppes

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uh992k:

ah k ... not /home/mythtv, it's in my own home directory

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uh992k:

thx!

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uh992k:

woooot ... absolute coordinates in xml files ... ugly :)

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wagnerrp:

wee! segfault!

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wagnerrp:

dont see those often in python

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anku:

wagnerrp: Thanks for the help on the VDPAU settings, it seems to work!

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wagnerrp:

jams: worthwhile to start returning min/max cpuspeed?

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wagnerrp:

rather than just max

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jams:

I don't see a huge demand for that type of stat

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wagnerrp:

in regards to CPU scaling

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wagnerrp:

so... now im interfacing with the sysctl through libc, i have to figure out how to actually get the CPU information

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wagnerrp:

i figured it was in kern.cpu.<n>... its not... :)

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jams:

Right, i'm not for sure how having that type of data would help.

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jams:

oh fancy

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wagnerrp:

jams: help? not really... just curiosity

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wagnerrp:

here we go, in hw.xxx

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jams:

frankly i figured you would want to know more about ipv6/ipv4

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jams:

nothing more detailed then is ipv6 supported or something like that

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uh992k:

hmm ... is it normal having lots of ugly artefacts in transcoded video when transcoding in mpeg4 with 2200kbit?

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wagnerrp:

i could add that...

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wagnerrp:

i could actually hit the PCI/USB bus listings here too, rather than going to pciconf/usbconfig

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Oleg_:

if the goal of mythtv is to be not just a DVR, but an entertainment center, then why are mythmusic and etc. just plugins?

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Oleg_:

if it's supposed to be a multimedia entertainment center, then mythmusic and other stuff should not be developed as plugins

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[TheAsp]:

better yet, the video and scheduling stuff should be made into a plugin so they are all equal

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[TheAsp]:

checkmate.

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IMSanchMac:

dekarl skd5aner I don't have a ChannelIcons storage group, I've always defined the channel icons manually with a full path in mythtv-setup

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IMSanchMac:

as afaik automatic fetching of icons has never really been available for Australian channels

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wagnerrp:

IMSanchMac: yes you do, everyone does

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wagnerrp:

it is hardwired into the code

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IMSanchMac:

0_o

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IMSanchMac:

well there you go

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IMSanchMac:

I've always put the full paths in the channel table, worked up until the update to .25

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wagnerrp:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/browser/mythtv/my . . . roup.cpp#L68

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IMSanchMac:

so I should just be putting a file name in the channel table and then placing the icons in the default storage group location?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know, to be honest

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wagnerrp:

never looked at the channel icon code

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dekarl:

btw, I just removed all entries and both mfdb and mythtv-setup readded them with full path :(

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wagnerrp:

anyone happen to have a linux2.4 machine handy?

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[TheAsp]:

in bits and pieces spread all over my basement

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[TheAsp]:

...

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wagnerrp:

i had used it at work before hand, but i didnt actually get into linux until 2.6.14, and that was only because mythtv required linux

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wagnerrp:

guess im just copying the old code verbatim

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wagnerrp:

no one should have used it in ~6 years anyway, no sense spending any effort rewriting it....

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[TheAsp]:

whats funny is that just as you said that I determined that I need to find an i386 box to build something on :)

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wagnerrp:

a real i386 box?

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wagnerrp:

i never actually had one of those

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wagnerrp:

right from an 8086 to a 486

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[TheAsp]:

nono, a 32bit box

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[TheAsp]:

mc68000 -> 486 for me

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wagnerrp:

so you mean an i686 box (Pentium Pro or better)

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[TheAsp]:

Actually, for this, i386 would work :)

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[TheAsp]:

just take 20 years to compile

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IMSanchMac:

Ok so the default channelIcons group should be pointing to ~/.mythtv/channels ?

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wagnerrp:

well unless the code had custom assembler in it, it wouldnt matter

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wagnerrp:

IMSanchMac: correct

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wagnerrp:

where ever "~" happens to be on your current system

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wagnerrp:

s/system/environment/

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IMSanchMac:

I tried putting icons in there and made the icon definition in the channels table just the filename and now I get a slightly different error

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IMSanchMac:

2012-04–27 08:10:11.862854 E [26082/26082] CoreContext remotefile.cpp:172 (openSocket) – RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket): Failed to open socket, error was filetransfer_filename_empty

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IMSanchMac:

2012-04–27 08:10:11.863415 E [26082/26082] CoreContext mythuihelper.cpp:1349 (LoadScaleImage) – MythUIHelper: LoadScaleImage(myth://ChannelIcon@10.190.33.38:6543/abc3.png) failed to load remote image

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IMSanchMac:

2012-04–27 08:10:11.863427 E [26082/26082] CoreContext mythuihelper.cpp:1378 (LoadScaleImage) – MythUIHelper: LoadScaleImage(myth://ChannelIcon@10.190.33.38:6543/abc3.png) failed to load image

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wagnerrp:

that IP address is your master backend?

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IMSanchMac:

yes

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IMSanchMac:

also the FE this is logging from

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IMSanchMac:

as in combined FE/BE

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dekarl:

notice that the lookup is for "ChannelIcon" without "s" at the end, while the group name is with "s" at the end :(

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IMSanchMac:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

whoops!

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IMSanchMac:

so if I manually make a 'ChannelIcon' group and point it there may help?

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wagnerrp:

shoudl work

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** IMSanchMac go try **

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dekarl:

I'll add it to #10659 or something

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10659 **

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wagnerrp:

although it would have to be absolutely defined

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wagnerrp:

"GetConfDir()" is not a valid path in mythtv-setup

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IMSanchMac:

success!

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IMSanchMac:

much thanks dekarl wagnerrp and skd5aner :D

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dekarl:

IMSanchMac: thanks for testing

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dekarl:

IMSanchMac: you can clean up the storage group again, the fix is in and will be in the next update (if you track fixes/0.25)

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IMSanchMac:

I'm just running off packages from rpmfusion, I'll just wait till they next update

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Oleg_:

why am I getting these database errors: http://pastebin.com/8qHPD0x1 ?

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k-man:

anyone tried making screenshots in .25? i tried assigning various key shortcuts to it but nothing seemed to work

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