Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, April 25th, 2012, 00:04 UTC

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jk90090:

Raymond, may be a dumb question, but what does mythffmpeg add other than giving nuvexport a standard wrapper to live by?

[00:04:13]

RagingMind:

wagnerrp, it chokes on the transcorder line with "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'prefix'"

[00:05:09]

Oleg_:

folks!

[00:05:17]

Oleg_:

any idea what causes that error?

[00:08:28]

wagnerrp:

ah... INSTALL_PREFIX, not prefix

[00:08:29]

jk90090:

Raging, I'm taking a guess here, but I think he meant to use import 'sys' and not 'static', and then meant to use 'sys.prefix'

[00:08:43]

jk90090:

orrrrr what he said ;-)

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wagnerrp:

no, 'static' is a module out of the python bindings

[00:09:48]

wagnerrp:

and specifically MythTV.static.INSTALL_PREFIX is the location where mythtv was installed to

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wagnerrp:

so INSTALL_PREFIX/bin/ is where you can find a bunch of mythtv's executables

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jk90090:

Ah

[00:10:43]

jk90090:

oh, I see now your paste bin menthol importing from Mythtvb

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, can you help me please?

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awalls:

Oleg_: it's probably a driver problem.

[00:11:08]

awalls:

Check /var/log/messages (or whatever)

[00:11:12]

Oleg_:

well, it's the latest version of webcamd

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wagnerrp:

Oleg_: would if i could, but i have no idea what could cause that problem

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awalls:

to look for problems.

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wagnerrp:

ive never used webcamd, or any kind of USB tuner for that matter

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wagnerrp:

awalls: FYI, webcamd is some userland interpreter intended to allow the use of linux DVB drivers for USB devices under FreeBSD

[00:12:09]

awalls:

Try and use 'femon' on that DVB frontend to see if you can read the signal strength fron the driver yourself

[00:12:46]

awalls:

Oh. Good luck debugging that.

[00:13:26]

RagingMind:

okay... it's making the mp4 :) almost done...

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wagnerrp:

heh

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awalls:

On linux, I just say unplug and replug the USB device.

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RagingMind:

wagnerrp, it converts the file and deletes the original, but then leaves me unable to play the new file

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RagingMind:

http://pastebin.com/MQ6vTXvV

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt have touched the original, as the mythffmpeg call failed

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wagnerrp:

although i just realized, that 'rec.update()' needs to be run before mythcommflag

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wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind, that IS the problem

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wagnerrp:

it tried to run mythcommflag before updating the location in memory

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I will be actually working on the new schema when I get a chance to work on MythTV. Busy with work for a while more, though

[01:23:11]

sphery:

eddytv: how are you attempting to delete the files?

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sphery:

(er, the recordings without files)

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eddytv:

via 'mythweb/recorded', then choosing "Deleted" from the "Show group" menu...

[01:24:31]

eddytv:

They show up, and if I click "Delete" they go away, but then when I refresh, they're back...

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sphery:

mythweb has never been able to delete recordings with missing files

[01:25:37]

sphery:

can you try: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im wondering if it would be worth storing all the duplicate instances from different media servers in the database

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wagnerrp:

or just the one marked as local

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sphery:

duplicate instances?

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wagnerrp:

storage NFS mounted on multiple backends

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wagnerrp:

so the content shows up multiple times

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sphery:

why would we want that?

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wagnerrp:

because we cant record over the backend protocol

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sphery:

wouldn't it be better to just have it stored with "local" host name, but also expand the file system stuff to know "best path from there to here"

[01:28:26]

sphery:

I think I might have missed something

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wagnerrp:

in the situation where no machines are local, such as a shared NAS, which do you select to stream from?

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eddytv:

sphery: Ah, thanks so much for that link! Just ran "Find_orphans.py" and it spewed out a bunch of orphaned recordings and snapshots!

[01:29:06]

sphery:

eddytv: can you please try the approach in that link first...

[01:29:09]

wagnerrp:

would be easier to just store them all, and pick one at time of playback based on whatever machines are connected

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sphery:

that would allow us to check status of #10511

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10511 **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'd say we just store one--in the case of NAS without streaming server, doesn't matter which hostname, or could even use a sentinal value saying "none"--and finish up what we started with removing the "always stream" setting

[01:30:50]

sphery:

so that mythtv would know "this storage is local to MBE, but the recording was recorded by SBE, so makes more sense to stream from MBE to remote frontend or to play locally on MBE"

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eddytv:

sphery: OK, one sec, I'll go boot up a front-end

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sphery:

kind of stuff

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sphery:

eddytv: thanks

[01:31:07]

sphery:

multiple data points are a good thing

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sphery:

eddytv: also, once you verify the procedure with one recording, you can then use find_orphans.py... just want to see if you can make it work with frontend UI

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wagnerrp:

sphery: anyway, im really just looking for the mediafile table, and classes for accessing that

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sphery:

I haven't looked at code recently, but from how it was written, #10511 should only occur when user doesn't do the right thing

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10511 **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, I'll be working on that stuff soon

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sphery:

just can't do much, this week

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wagnerrp:

ok, i didnt know if maybe you had some of the low level stuff ready to go

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sphery:

nope

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sphery:

I have to rework the schema, again

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sphery:

and verify it

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** wagnerrp goes back to reworking smolt **

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sphery:

then I will push tables to master, then start working on conversion in a branch

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sphery:

with a huge warning not to use it on a real system since it will break upgrades :)

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sphery:

(and, perhaps, just commit a compile error with a define saying not to use the branch :)

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wagnerrp:

heh

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eddytv:

sphery: OK, it's not behaving like the FAQ describes

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eddytv:

The files that are missing are "dimmed"

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sphery:

and when you hit MENU on it?

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eddytv:

When I press "M"enu, it says "Recording file cannot be found" and gives "Show recording details", "Delete" and "Add to playlist"

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eddytv:

I can view the recording details

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sphery:

and Delete does what?

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eddytv:

When I choose Delete, it says "Are you sure?" and I choose "Yes, delete it" and it disappears from the Recorded Programs list...

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eddytv:

I don't get any secondary confirmation like the FAQ describes

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sphery:

ok, so it seems the not-available status stuff was broken by something

[01:40:06]

sphery:

this may also explain why some users said deleting recordings without files didn't work in previous versions--because they were using a setting that we (who tested and verified it worked and couldn't reproduce the failure) weren't using

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sphery:

that particular setting is now enabled for everyone, so--if nothing else--that change will make sure we fix it properly

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sphery:

seems no one ever mentioned they had enabled that setting, so I never thought to check with the setting enabled

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sphery:

thanks for the test

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sphery:

from here, I recommend find_orphans.py

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sphery:

it should work without problenm

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RagingMind:

mythffmpeg seems to have worked. I have an mp4 file of the recording

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sphery:

but it will delete the recording metadata and set it to allow re-record...

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sphery:

you can modify the script if you don't want it to re-record (but it's easier to delete and allow re-record, and delete the reruns if/when they're recorded)

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sphery:

anyway, thanks, again, for testing

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sphery:

wagnerrp: do you know if rsiebert hangs out in IRC

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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sphery:

(he's the blue-abstract guy)

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eddytv:

No problem. I just tested again to make sure... An episode I had manually removed still showed in the "Default" recgroup view in 'mythweb/tv/recorded'... the recording file was missing, and it showed "dimmed" on the front-end...

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eddytv:

... I deleted it on the front-end (as I described above) and it disappeared from the front-end and moved from the "Default" recgroup to the "Deleted" recgroup in 'mythweb'...

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eddytv:

... but it just stays in the "Deleted" recgroup.

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** eddytv wonders what happens if I switch to the Deleted recgroup on the frontend and try deleting it from there? **

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sphery:

eddytv: and if you switch to deleted recgroup on the frontend (MENU|Change View Filter, then select Deleted), can you delete from there?

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sphery:

hehe, me too :)

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eddytv:

Ah, that worked, and behaved more like the FAQ said... I got two delete confirmations

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sphery:

ahh, interesting

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sphery:

so we just need to short-circuit that--maybe

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sphery:

though keeping the 2nd confirmation

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sphery:

since if they have a not-running backend or not-mounted filesystem, they may not want to continue the delete

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eddytv:

I think so. I did "M"enu, and the first dialog said "Recording file does not exist" and gave "Show Recording Details", "Delete", "Add to playlist" as initial options.

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eddytv:

I choose delete and it says "Are you sure?" and gives "Delete" or "Keep"...

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eddytv:

Then it says "Recording file does not exist, are you are sure" and gives the same "Delete" or "Keep" dialog...

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eddytv:

So first dialog title is "Recording file cannot be found"

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eddytv:

then "Are you sure you want to delete"...

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eddytv:

then "Recording file does not exist".

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

thanks a ton for testing that... will make it much easier to repro/fix

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RagingMind:

wagnerrp, THANKS! I still get an error that it failed, but the recording does get updated with the new file and I can play it on my tablet :)

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wagnerrp:

what fails?

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eddytv:

sphery: glad to be of help! Thanks for your insight and the pointer to "find_orphans"...

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sphery:

hehe, you're welcome

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sphery:

eddytv: also, based on what you found, if you want to delete without marking those recordings to allow re-record, ...

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sphery:

just delete from mythfrontend to the Deleted recgroup, then you can use find_orphans.py to clean up orphans

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eddytv:

Ok, sounds great!

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sphery:

or delete from mythfrontend to Deleted, then switch to Deleted recgroup, MENU|Add this group to playlist, then MENU|Playlist Options|Delete

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eddytv:

Ah, nice. :)

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sphery:

now thinking about it, I'm assuming that find_orphans.py won't do a forget or a delete and allow re-record if the recording is already in deleted recgroup, but I can't say for sure

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ^^^?

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wagnerrp:

it always deletes for re-record

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RagingMind:

wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/xVERTR1R

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why mythcommflag would be exiting with a 236...

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eddytv:

wagnerrp: is there an easy way to edit find_orphans.py to just plain old "delete"?

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RagingMind:

I moved the rec.update() to be right below rec.seek.clean() and that cleared problem earlier of being unable to play the new file from my frontend

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wagnerrp:

a simple if check in the code would suffice

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** eddytv is a perl geek, so I don't grok python that much **

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RagingMind:

would a os.remove(infile + ".png") be enough to get rid of the old thumbnail?

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt be necessary

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sphery:

from a code perspective, we don't (yet) track the thumbnails in DB, so a normal delete from file system is all that's required

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wagnerrp:

but the new thumbnail will be in the same location as the old thumbnail

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason to delete it

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sphery:

but, yeah, it should auto-update thumbnail if the recording metadata is updated after thumbnail is created

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sphery:

and that

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RagingMind:

I wind up with a new thumbnail that's .mp4.png in addition to the .nuv.png

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wilberarch:

Huzzah!!! 0.25 let's me run 2 frontends! (under 0.24 the 2nd one would always crash...)

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wagnerrp:

right... forgot it had the extension on there

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wilberarch:

:D

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wagnerrp:

wilberarch: 0.24 would let you run two frontends too

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RagingMind:

but that little bit is correct python to delete the old thumbnail? I'm always afraid of delete actions if I'm unsure of the syntax

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wilberarch:

well...mine always crashed... :-\

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wagnerrp:

RagingMind: sounds sane enough

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wagnerrp:

wilberarch: thats because you never updated to the -fixes branch

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wilberarch:

THAT sounds about right...

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wagnerrp:

and were doing "bad things' such as simultaneously running two frontends using the same profile

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** wilberarch looks around to see where the camera is... **

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wilberarch:

yep. busted.

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wilberarch:

but all is well now. big thanks for all the hard work...!

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sphery:

wilberarch: you /should/ set up 2 different profiles for the 2 frontends

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wagnerrp:

AND tell the frontend control socket to listen on two different ports

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sphery:

wilberarch: meaning 2 HOMEs and different $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml , with different LocalHostName overrides (or at least in one)

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** wilberarch hangs his head in shame **

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sphery:

and what wagnerrp said

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RagingMind:

blarg... I seem to have a mix of .nuv.png, nuv.-1.100x75.png, and .nuv.-1.160x120.png

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red_one:

ahoy

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Oleg_:

in mythtv-0.25, where is Videos section?

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Oleg_:

I can't find it

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wagnerrp:

same place it always is

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Oleg_:

where in /var/log mythtv stores its error messages?

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Oleg_:

can't find anything related to mythtv in /var/log directory

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wilberarch:

Hmm. my videos are playing "full screen"--ie, no 'letterboxing' like they used to with 0.24... Can't find the setting to change that...

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wagnerrp:

where ever you told it on the command line with --logpath, --syslog, or '>'

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Oleg_:

where is Videos? I go to Media Library and it's not there

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wagnerrp:

"Watch Videos"

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wagnerrp:

should be a "Watch Videos" and a "Watch Recordings"

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wilberarch:

I've got an old-style (CRT) TV that's somewhere around 920x690...

[03:02:01]

wilberarch:

I found the GUI width, height and X & Y offset...

[03:02:39]

wilberarch:

Hmmm. the codec on the video says it's 624x352 ...

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wagnerrp:

odd, most things should be 720 or 704 x 480

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wagnerrp:

unless this is something you ripped off a DVD, and cropped the borders

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wilberarch:

no...it's just a nightly topical comedic news program...

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wilberarch:

[shifty eyes]

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wilberarch:

here's a different one that's 720x404 ...

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wilberarch:

my settings would have (mostly) remained from 0.24 to 0.25, right?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Oleg_:

now mythtv-setup can't start because it can't find theme "Therra"

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wilberarch:

wonder why i'm 'missing the black bars top and bottom' ...

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Oleg_:

Terra

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wagnerrp:

because its a 4:3 video and you have a 4:3 television

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wagnerrp:

pixel aspect ratio != 1:1

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wilberarch:

right. but before the upgrade from .24 to .25 everything played 'widescreen'...

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Oleg_:

however, I have /usr/home/mythtv/mythtv-0.25/themes/Terra

[03:08:05]

Oleg_:

what command should I use to make mythtv-setup see that directory?

[03:08:41]

wagnerrp:

there is nothing you can do short of modifying the code and recompiling to make it look there

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wilberarch:

i've upgraded the nvidia driver and linux kernel...that wouldn't have changed the way the mythtv internal player output, would it...?

[03:09:33]

wagnerrp:

terra comes with the core install, and should be found in /usr/local/share/mythtv/

[03:09:33]

Oleg_:

wagnerrp, why was the code compiled in the first place if mythtv-setup can't start?

[03:09:52]

wagnerrp:

no port should be installing to a home directory

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Oleg_:

but I don't wanna install it

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wagnerrp:

how would you run mythtv without installing it?

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Oleg_:

it's stupid not to have the ability to make mythtv-setup point to a user-defined directory for themes

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[R]:

~/.mythtv

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wagnerrp:

sphery: does Terra no longer come with the core install?

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wagnerrp:

Oleg_: what im saying is that if mythtv is installed (and it must be if youre trying to use mythtv-setup), terra will already be installed in /usr/local/share/mythtv/

[03:17:46]

Oleg_:

I am trying to run mythtv-setup from /usr/home/mythtv/mythtv-0.25/programs/mythtv-setup directory

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wagnerrp:

why?

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wagnerrp:

to do so, you would have to populate LD_LIBRARY_PATH with all those individual library subdirectories so the linker could find them all

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Oleg_:

trying to find out the reason for the problems I am having

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Oleg_:

yes, that's what I did

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

why not just compile it with a different prefix and install?

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Oleg_:

good question

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Oleg_:

I should do that

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sphery:

wagnerrp: still there.. why?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize ol eg was trying to run mythtv without installing it

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sphery:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

i couldnt understand why he would try to point mythtv-setup at some random location for a theme

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sphery:

didn't read scrollback before the question

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sphery:

makes sense, now

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sphery:

and, yeah, without that theme (and without mythcenter-wide), there would be problems

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Oleg_:

looks like everything is fine now

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Oleg_:

I mean, as far as watching channels in mythtv 0.25 is concerned

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wilberfan:

Found the "fill" and "aspect" settings under the menu while playing back...but the "fill" (which I want "off") resets every time I start a new video playback...

[04:30:36]

wilberfan:

Is there a way to "lock" fill to 'off' for all videos...?

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Oleg_:

I don't understand what it means:

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Oleg_:

This DataDirect listings source is shared by 2 MythTV lineups

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locuse:

i've built Mythtv & Mythweb from 0.25/fixes src on a box with PHP 5.4.1-dev. at nav to the http:/.../mythweb/mythweb.php, I get: "Fatal error: Call-time pass-by-reference has been removed in /usr/local/share/mythtv/bindings/php/MythBase.php on line 50"

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locuse:

There's a related bug (kormoc -> "mythweb incomatible with PHP 5.4.0 and later ( Call-time pass-by-reference) http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10504"), but the patches there (1) don't apply cleanly to co'd src, (2) have both "Milestone 0.25 deleted" & "Version: Master Head", and (3) haven't been QA'd afaict.

[04:48:40]

locuse:

Is there some other focus/effort on this problem/fix specifically for 0.25/fixes? Do we need to open a new bug?

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locuse:

hm. booted ... did my question from ~ 5 mins ago post in here?

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locuse:

"is this mic on?"

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kormoc:

locuse, the changes (removing & from certain lines) should work fine. Just will use more memory then otherwise

[05:07:36]

locuse:

kormoc: oh, hi there. your bug. so just apply the three patches to my two separate src trees (mythtv and mythweb)?

[05:07:47]

locuse:

more memory's better than not working, to be sure ...

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kormoc:

The third patch is actually just a warning cleanup. You can just change your error level in the php.ini file rather then apply that patch

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locuse:

kormoc: sure. i'm talking about the 1st two patches ... they apply to files in the two separate source trees i've checked out. is that ok, or do i need to consolidate the checkouts somehow.

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kormoc:

that's fine

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locuse:

kormoc: cool thx. since php 5.4.0 was released March 1 — almost 2 months now — will we see this addressed in 0.25/fixes branch? or not until >=0.26?

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kormoc:

locuse, myth web really is just stagnant. it's being replaced by a web service in the backend, but that said, it is important enough to fix

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locuse:

kormoc: heh, i was pointed to mythweb to more conveniently deal with having to manually enter ALL my XMLTV IDs ... mythfrontend's a bit clunky, and i was told IT is being deprecated ;-)

[05:22:29]

wagnerrp:

well there is a new channel editor in the backend web server

[05:22:34]

wagnerrp:

('cept its disabled at current)

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locuse:

wagnerrp: thatd'd be master branch i spose?

[05:24:22]

wagnerrp:

i think its disabled there too

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locuse:

Catch22

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wagnerrp:

it was disabled prior to the 0.25 branch, i dont believe anyone had re-enabled it yet

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locuse:

i assume i only need to patch & rebuild on my backend box, where mythweb is installed, right? don't have to touch the frontend boxes?

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wagnerrp:

mythweb is PHP, nothing to "rebuild"

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wagnerrp:

it runs as-is

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locuse:

ah, so deps of any kind — just the php. missed that :-/ thx

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ahhughes:

hi guys, I have hit a problem. For some reason these ps3 tuners just hang. The front end is saying "You should hav received a channel locl by now.... change inputs"... but there is no problem with the reception. This appears to be a software bug.

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ahhughes:

is it possible to bounce a tuner or reset something?

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locuse:

pluggin' away entering missing XMLTV IDs in Mythweb, using SChedulesDirect website as reference. Where do I find the 'freqid' for a given channel?

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justinh:

locuse: you don't need it

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justinh:

if you like, just make it = channum for digital channels

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locuse:

justinh: so, if some of them are blank, that's OK?

[06:23:58]

justinh:

I mean you don't need it for digital TV captured via a digital tuner card

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locuse:

ok

[06:24:46]

locuse:

this is like voudou ...

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justinh:

freqid only matters for analogue tuners where it'd be the actual frequency of a channel – and it's the number which'd be passed to an external channel change script if you were capturing analogue/firewire from a set top box

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locuse:

justinh: sure, thx for clearing up. shoulda been obvious. tired ...

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justinh:

heh no way it's obvious

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locuse:

baffles me why when we have SchedulesDirect account/data that MythTV can end up with such wrong data that need manual correction.

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justinh:

ahhughes: some tuners take longer to get a signal lock than others. you may need to play with timeout values

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justinh:

locuse: so let em know

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locuse:

who, the devs?

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justinh:

SD

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justinh:

you pay, so you're entitled to correct data

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locuse:

THEIR data appears to be correct. I had no such problems loading it into tvheadend. In Myth, e.g., ALL my xmltv IDs are just missing. have to enter them all by hand.

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justinh:

yeah then I'd raise that as a bug

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locuse:

callsigns in Myth are virtually never the callsigns from SD

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justinh:

another satisfied tvheadend user huh? heh

[06:31:39]

justinh:

that'd be down to the scanner I think

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locuse:

tvheadend is a nice solution — if only it'd run for more than 10 mins at a time. then again, it's been 4+ days, and i still don't have a wokring Myth setup.

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justinh:

if you open a ticket, be sure to cite examples – i.e. what myth got the callsign as & what SD says it is

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justinh:

how badly wrong are the callsigns?

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justinh:

locuse: stick at it. a working mythtv setup can run & run & run. I hardly ever have to touch mine

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justinh:

by that I mean I don't often have to restart mythbackend

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jya:

wagnerrp: do you have much experience with QTcpSocket ?

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locuse:

justinh: e.g., @ SD (ch=54–3, callsign=KQEHDT3). in Myth (ch=54_3, callsign=LIFE)

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wagnerrp:

outside the serverpool stuff, not a whole lot

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justinh:

locuse: so the channel is 'Life' or something like that I'll assume

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locuse:

justinh: probably. but LIFE != callsign.

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wagnerrp:

life wouldnt have a callsign anyway

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wagnerrp:

as cable stations do not transmit one

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jya:

wagnerrp: I'm playing with the RAOP stuff, I now get the artwork of the song being played. It's a jpeg file, problem is that my readyRead() signal, is often being called without the full data.

[06:38:04]

justinh:

maybe myth could use the channum to match SD data instead

[06:38:10]

justinh:

I dunno what it *does* use

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justinh:

though the way cable companies re-arrange their lineups it'd probably be futile

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locuse:

wagnerrp: i don't have cable

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jya:

like here the image to get is supposed to be 141948 bytes long, I first get a 65665 bytes data (with headers) and then76620

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wagnerrp:

oh, youre actually picking up "life" as a subchannel?

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justinh:

heh google says KQEHDT3 is PBS

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jya:

it seriously complicate my parsing of the header sent

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locuse:

wagnerrp: this is all OTA ...

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wagnerrp:

i suppose that is different from "lifetime"

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wagnerrp:

jya: do you know ahead of time how much data you want to receive?

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justinh:

it isn't inconceivable that the scanner code needs a tweak – but by my reckoning it must work fine for the majority of people in the US or there'd be way more noise about it

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jya:

unfortunately no

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wagnerrp:

heh... well that would have made things a whole lot easier

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jya:

the packet is somewhat related to email, in like you have a header (line with a tag: blah, followed by an empty line, and then the content). the Content-Length in that same packet contains the size I'm supposed to get

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wagnerrp:

the MythSocket class used by the protocol client/server has an internal loop

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wagnerrp:

that just keeps reading until it gets however much data it wants

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locuse:

well, that's progress .... after fixing all the data in MythWeb, all the "unknown" entries in the EPG switch to "no data".

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wagnerrp:

mythtv/libs/libmythbase/mythsocket.cpp:400

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** locuse sighs **

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wagnerrp:

you set XMLTV IDs for each channel, ran 'mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all', and are getting "no data"?

[06:43:31]

wagnerrp:

are you sure those channels simply arent running any programming?

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wagnerrp:

i know several of the subchannels on my local PBS station go offline at night

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jya:

wagnerrp: in the Qt forum, some talk about adding a tcpSocket.waitForReadyRead(5000); within the signal handler

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locuse:

wagnerrp: yes. set the IDs. ran mythfill ... and ALL of the channels show ONLY "no data" ...

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wagnerrp:

jya: i would expect a read would at least be broken up on packet boundaries

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, not sure what to tell you

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wagnerrp:

perhaps some simplified ring buffer

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wagnerrp:

keep dumping data off the socket into a buffer

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wagnerrp:

read forward through the buffer until you complete a data structure youre happy with, and repeat

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jya:

yeah… that sucks :(

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jya:

I would have hoped that somehow, the signal would be fired when a whole packet has been sent

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wagnerrp:

danielk would probably be of assistance there, from dealing with similar behavior coming out of the tuners

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wagnerrp:

how big are these messages youre sending?

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wagnerrp:

is it possible it is firing that the end of a packet

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wagnerrp:

but the messages are spanning multiple packets?

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jya:

problem, is that I can't know the size the packet will be without reading the socket first, so I can't just leave the data in the socket until I know I get the right amount of data

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jya:

wagnerrp: I'm not sending anything.. I'm receiving

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wagnerrp:

right

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locuse:

"Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2012-04–24 23:43:43 and ended on 2012-04–24 23:44:06. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure."

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wagnerrp:

so you buffer it into some separate structure

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jya:

I've tweaked how RAOP registers itself with bonjour , and now I get called with extra data: metadata about the song, length of the song, position in the stream, and .. artowrk

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jya:

it's the same type of data an AppleTV would display when you play a musinc from iTunes to the AppleTV

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wagnerrp:

3 am...

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** wagnerrp heads to bed **

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jya:

good night

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locuse:

ditto

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justinh:

some muppet on twitter saying he dumped mythtv after a decade of use. it's not that old yet is it?

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k-man:

justinh, what reason did he give?

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justinh:

going digital

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k-man:

what does that mean?

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k-man:

mythtv is not digital?

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EmleyMoor:

I'm quite liking mythtv – apart from occasional streaming failures and the trouble I'm having getting my remote control to work

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EmleyMoor:

(and I hated it before I had digital!)

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justinh:

k-man: means he has pay cable & wanted to capture everything directly

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k-man:

justinh, oh i see

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justinh:

hardly mythtv's fault, but in some people's eyes the deficiency is all mythtv's fault :P

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justinh:

like lirc. none of that is mythtv's fault

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justinh:

a few years ago I used to hear how setting up mythtv was such a PITA because making the remote control work is such a cow

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justinh:

or the tuners 'aren't supported' :-/

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EmleyMoor:

justinh: I've bene trying to fathom remote control for days

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EmleyMoor:

been, even

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justinh:

lirc is a pussycat

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EmleyMoor:

justinh: I can't get mythtv to take any notice

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justinh:

just stop using anybody else's config files, record your remote, call the buttons sensible names you can remember

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justinh:

EmleyMoor: if irw outputs all the buttons you press, using those button names in your lircrc file you should be good

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EmleyMoor:

I have yet to get irw to do anything

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justinh:

so you never will with mythfrontend either

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EmleyMoor:

I will see if I can get any sense out of it tonight

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justinh:

irw is proof lirc is working properly.without that, everything else is pointless

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EmleyMoor:

You have, at least, pointed me in something of the right direction

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justinh:

some remotes act like human interface devices.. I've not had any experience of those

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EmleyMoor:

justinh: Mine is mceusb2... which I think does...

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justinh:

so when you run irw does it just sit there?

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EmleyMoor:

justinh: I don't think it even sits there, though if it does, that's all it does... can't advise right now but will try it tonight.

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red_one:

hi

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red_one:

i'm trying to set up my saa7130 card in the latest daily build of mythbuntu

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justinh:

that's nice dear

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red_one:

but it's not detecting any video devices

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red_one:

at all

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red_one:

11.10 did though

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red_one:

(0.24)

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justinh:

so go see #mythbuntu :-)

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red_one:

heh ok

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justinh:

FWIW mythtv doesn't 'detect' anything

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justinh:

you point it where you think there's a card & it says whether there is or not

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justinh:

so you say daily build.. you'd still be on mythbuntu 11.10 as the base OS but you've changed to use the daily build repo to get 0.25-fixes?

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justinh:

EmleyMoor: it could just be that lircd isn't running. try the wiki page about mceusb remotes :-)

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EmleyMoor:

It is running

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EmleyMoor:

I'll check that wiki

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justinh:

or not running with the correct parameters ;-)

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justinh:

or starting,and not staying running

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EmleyMoor:

It's starting and staying runningc

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justinh:

the stuff ubuntu does with lirc doesn't necessarily make it nice to fault-find, I found

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EmleyMoor:

Fortunately I don't use Ubuntu

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justinh:

EmleyMoor: is the mceusb module loaded?

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justinh:

er lirc_mceusb2 I mean

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justinh:

you should get ssh to home :P

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EmleyMoor:

justinh: I can't see it loaded...

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justinh:

so if it's not loaded it can't work

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EmleyMoor:

Other mceusb modules are loaded, instead... perhaps that's part of the problem

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justinh:

lircd can load the module for you if it's configured right

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EmleyMoor:

Hmmm, yes... the trouble might be getting it configured right...

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justinh:

or maybe that's just a *buntu ism

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justinh:

usually where a module isn't loaded automatically you just need to add a line to /etc/modules or whatever

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EmleyMoor:

justinh: 0th things 0th – better check the module actually exists on my system

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justinh:

oo facebook has a new way of annoying me & it's called BranchOut

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FLeiXiuS:

Any suggestions for a cheap VPDAU nvidia card, above the 210

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EmleyMoor:

I don't appear to have that module

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UrB:

FLeiXiuS: GT520? I've used that with mythtv & xbmc with great success

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UrB:

also available as fanless

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FLeiXiuS:

UrB, I'll definitely check it out. Speccing out a new frontend.

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FLeiXiuS:

Trying to keep <$300

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FLeiXiuS:

UrB, Do you play any 60fps bluray films?

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UrB:

nope

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UrB:

but "normal" fullhd material seems to work ok

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UrB:

price for that GT520 should be under 50 euros

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UrB:

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/files/images/89/132507-300x300.jpeg – only nag is that the sink occupies another card slot

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UrB:

had to place 2nd tuner to another computer :)

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FLeiXiuS:

UrB, My mini itx board only has 1 slot -)

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FLeiXiuS:

UrB, I assume you have VDAPU enabled?

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UrB:

yes

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FLeiXiuS:

$309.94 not bad

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FLeiXiuS:

Core i3 35w, 2gb ram, mini itx foxconn mb + 150w psu/case.

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FLeiXiuS:

Diskless box – should be fun to setup.

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xavierh:

join torc

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xavierh:

lol

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xavierh:

how to dump a complete DVB-T multiplex ?

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Oleg_:

I go to Information Center and it says that info.xml can't be found, even though it's in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu/

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Oleg_:

info_menu.xml, not info.xml

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Oleg_:

weird, even though I installed mythtv, that particular file is empty in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu

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Oleg_:

so, I had to cp /usr/home/mythtv/mythtv-0.25/themes/defaultmenu/info_menu.xml /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu

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k-man:

how long should it take to show the theme chooser after selecting it?

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k-man:

it seems stuck on "loading"

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k-man:

i also got this error in the logs: 2012-04–25 20:52:38.350285 E ThemeInfo: The theme (myth://Temp@192.168.1.2/remotethemes/0.25/Terra) is missing a themeinfo.xml file.

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k-man:

would that cause it to get stuck?

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k-man:

hmm, i quit and restarted and it loaded the second time

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k-man:

i can't however select a new theme

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k-man:

well, i select it but it doesn't stick

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k-man:

here is the error i get when i try and select a theme: http://pastebin.com/7JDwr4Bh

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CiaranG:

Anyone know if mythtv is caching data it looks up from thetvdb.com?

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k-man:

i have upgraded to .25

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k-man:

it feels much snappier than .24, when i hit watch recording, it plays much more quickly

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** quicksilver must get around to upgrading. **

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quicksilver:

from 0.21.

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k-man:

hi quicksilver :)

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k-man:

yeah you should upgrade

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k-man:

do i need to do anything special to compile in the RAOP support?

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k-man:

i added the key to my directory but i'm not getting any airplay messages in the frontend output

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ahhughes:

sorry if I am repeating myself... I think I was diconnected?

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ahhughes:

hey <justinh> ahhughes: some tuners take longer to get a signal lock than others. you may need to play with timeout values.... but won't it eventrually get a lock, even if I exit out of and back into live tv? Its only a reboot that seems to fix my tuner issue

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k-man:

./configure reports that OpenGL ES 2.0 support will not be included – what is that needed for?

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k-man:

by the way, when i try and submit my hardware profile, i get an error "error encountered when trying to submit hardware profile"

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k-man:

but that smolt thing is cool

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jya_:

wagnerrp: i was checking on why you can't bind with serverpool on link-local address.

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jya_:

in Qt source code, they have a specific test checking if it's part of fe80::/10, and in some googling, I found "You must *ALWAYS* specify the interface ("scope ID" in IPv6 terminology) when using link-local addresses". So to bind to say fe80::60c:ceff:fedb:8018, you need to use fe80::60c:ceff:fedb:8018%eth0

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jya_:

assuming it's on eth0

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k-man:

i can get audio to play over airplay, but video stays on my iphone

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k-man:

ah, got airplay to work finaly

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k-man:

with video, its very cool

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k-man:

how should i go about making sure all old libs are removed from my system/

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k-man:

when i compile the plugins, if mythnetvision is enabled, i get this error: http://pastebin.com/7tSB6aPr

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k-man:

ah, nm, found a bug that describes that error

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justinh:

quicksilver: you may have problems upgrading from that far back. see the -users ML

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quicksilver:

justinh: thanks :-( I will check

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quicksilver:

I'm almost caught up on mythtv-users actually

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quicksilver:

only 39432 unread

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justinh:

so, turns out (no thanks to our web dev) that using os.rename to move a file only works when the source & destination are on the same filesystem. Ha

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wagnerrp:

jya: yea, the 6502 guy mentioned that some time last week

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jya:

wagnerrp: ok..

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quicksilver:

that is a traditional shortcoming of all languages which are just binding to rename(2)

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jya:

once again,I experimented another case where itunes and mythfrontend running on the same machine, didn't work with RAOP

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jya:

bonjour for some reason was advertising with the address fe80:blah:blah

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jya:

and itunes would then try to connect to it, but binding had failed

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justinh:

quicksilver: so I hacked it to use shutil.move instead

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justinh:

now it works & the customer is happy

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quicksilver:

:)

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justinh:

I think I might end up wanting to kill the app developer soon. some of the indenting is crazy. Like > 100 chars

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justinh:

I have a 23" 16:9 monitor & the text is still going offscreen

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justinh:

had to deal with a different problem earlier. no swap on a LAMP server with only 1GB RAM. Its HDD had a swap partition, just nobody had ever put it in fstab

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justinh:

oh BTW uk peeps, Currys in store promotion: Pogoplug for £15

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justinh:

the pink one, with 4 USB ports

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Oleg_:

mythmusic is a plugin or a part of mythtv 0.25?

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wagnerrp:

plug

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wagnerrp:

in

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skd5aner:

what's the over/under on the date smolt will have 1000 registered hosts?

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skd5aner:

Let's say, May 1

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wagnerrp:

jams: you around?

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jams:

will be in about 20 minutes. work stuff at the moment

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wagnerrp:

ok

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mnmis:

d

[17:27:11]

mnmis:

I am trying to edit the Skip ahead, Skip back screen for MythCenter-Wide.

[17:27:11]

mnmis:

I would like to change the background color but when I tried to edit the osd.xml

[17:27:11]

mnmis:

in the MythCenter-Wide folder, but I couldn't change the color.

[17:27:11]

mnmis:

Is this the right file to edit?

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mnmis:

Also, where in the right file would I edit this?

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jams:

wagnerrp- probably have 5 minutes before the phone rings again

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wagnerrp:

jams: im attempting to remove the linux-dependence of smolt

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wagnerrp:

im tying everything into the os_detect.py

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wagnerrp:

and using that to key off one of multiple submodules

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wagnerrp:

which are used as loaders to then load the relevant data

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wagnerrp:

rather than directly in each of the top-level files

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wagnerrp:

give me a second to finish something up

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wagnerrp:

jams: basically, this is what im going for... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/smolt_reorg.tbz

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wagnerrp:

brb

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skd5aner:

hmm, primes were $150 the other day through woot... probably should have picked one up

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jams:

wagnerrp- i like it

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EmleyMoor:

I have one multiplex missing in MythTV – it would probably come in easily on the new antenna if it worked – is there any way I can try to bring it in manually?

[18:11:31]

lis0r:

EmleyMoor: you should be able to add the multiplex frequency manually?

[18:11:52]

EmleyMoor:

lis0r: When I tried that it seemed to add a different one

[18:11:57]

lis0r:

though when I tuned into, ironically, Emley Moor, I did so by entering one base frequency, then telling it to find the rest from the NIT.

[18:12:21]

EmleyMoor:

Hmmm... there's a possibility

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EmleyMoor:

Unfortunately I'm on Crystal Palace, but the same no doubt applies

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lis0r:

EmleyMoor: I found in the middle of digital transition, some of the NIT data seemed screwy

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lis0r:

but it's improved since final switchover

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EmleyMoor:

I miss channel 28 on a full scan

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EmleyMoor:

22, 23, 25, 26 are there, and 30 is the HD which is not compatible with the card

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EmleyMoor:

It will insist on going right to 69 though...

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EmleyMoor:

Odd – it seems to have found the COM6 mux this time. I'm not obviously getting the radio though

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EmleyMoor:

Now I can't actually get into "Watch TV" – "Please wait..." appears briefly then back to the menu

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EmleyMoor:

Found why radio was missing – I had forgotten to select other than TV to scan

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EmleyMoor:

I've no idea how to get it to use NIT data

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skd5aner:

what a /terrible/ blog entry – http://sellout.woot.com/Blog/ViewEntry.aspx?Id=22950

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wagnerrp:

jams: still around?

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wagnerrp:

jams: devicelist.py is currently statically defined in DEVICE_CLASS_LIST

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wagnerrp:

however that same information is available through the pci.ids file

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wagnerrp:

although it has less simplified names for things

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wagnerrp:

any worth in pulling those values from the file?

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lapion:

Anyone ever thought of adding indicators in the media list that show whether a show is transcoding or queued ?

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wagnerrp:

such things already do exist in the watch recordings screen

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trumee:

is mythwelcome broken in 0.25 fixes? I get a blank theme background with mythwelcome on bootup

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trumee:

it used to work fine in 0.24.

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trumee:

guess this is the issue http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10032 . is that fixed in 0.25?

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skd5aner:

yes

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trumee:

skd5aner: i am still seeing this problem in 0.25

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skd5aner:

trumee: sorry, I've never used mythwelcome

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skd5aner:

there's a new standby mode that's like mythwelcome-lite, but i don't know much about it

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trumee:

skd5aner: is that in 0.25?

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nichos:

hi all – i'm having some stuttering going on. I've been using .24 for about a year now, no problems. Last week I'd get stuttering so I upgraded to .25 and I'm having the same problems. The storage to buffer and available buffer all keep dipping.

[21:35:14]

nichos:

my frontend and backend are on the same box – where should i start to look?

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nichos:

failing drive maybe?

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nichos:

SMART says it's ok, but I'm out of ideas

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J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: Is your disk partitioned to seperate the OS/DB and Video areas?

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nichos:

no, I have a boot disk (sda) and the data disk (sdb) which houses live and recordings

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, so you do have two different drives at least. ;-)

[21:40:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: Maybe something 'physical/simple' such as dust built up in the cpu cooler/fan, and the system is slowing down the cpu clock to prevent overheating?

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nichos:

hmmm, maybe i'll open it up

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nichos:

munin says max temp was 51'C

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** J-e-f-f-A searches for a temperature calculator page... ;-) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

humm... 123.8F doesn't seem that high.

[21:42:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

maybe a little bit...

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** J-e-f-f-A looks at his own munin data... **

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nichos:

you might be on to something – check this out: http://imgur.com/Rljxp

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... doesn't look *that* strange, but something to check out. You don't have any chassis fans? Or are they just not connected to a tach input?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I guess I'm not [currently] monitoring my temps with munin... /me slaps self.

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nichos:

There's at least 1 in there

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nichos:

tsk tsk!:)

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nichos:

it's been up and running 24/7 for over a year, perhaps taking a look inside wouldn't hurt

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nichos:

hopefully it's simple as you said

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J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: yeah, especially if you have pets – could have some hair in there!

[21:49:50]

nichos:

an we do

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nichos:

thanks for the sugggestion

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J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: grab a can of compressed air and hit the cpu cooler and see if a 'cloud' erupts. ;-)

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nichos:

have to get it stable or the boss can't record dancing with the "stars"

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hehehe... I haven't made the transition to 0.25 yet – I'm still on 0.24 and [very old] FC13! ;-) So I'm gonna have to upgrade the OS at the same time. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: my highest temp in my system right now is 39C

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nichos:

yeah, I was happy w/24 and had no complaints – been very stable until this recent stuff

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nichos:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm in florida, it's already been in the 90s this year

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nichos:

the theme stuff is pretty neat

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J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: I'm in MA – and we've had a couple of weeks of 85F+ weather... Crazy for New England!

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J-e-f-f-A:

And we had below-freezing temps overnight this week... go figure.

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nichos:

yeah – it doesn't help that my house is over 50 yrs old and has no insulation :O

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J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: ha! mine either! 1961!

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nichos:

*original insulation probably

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nichos:

Ok, I got one more excuse that my temps are higher – I'm using AMD

[21:55:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh wait, they put 1" foam board on the outside of the house. But that doesn't help much when they didn't SEAL it at the top or bottom, so winter is just like wind blowing right through my house...

[21:55:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: I'm using AMD too. Quad-core 604 processor.

[21:55:59]

nichos:

dangit!

[21:56:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yet my current high temp is 39C. ;-)

[21:56:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: woops, make that: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 Processor

[21:57:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

we just got a new VM server at work – I wish I could steal it... ;-) dual 6-core Intel processors and 192GB ram. ;-)

[21:58:04]

nichos:

lol yeah, we got one similar (though, I haven't logged in to it yet) it has over 100GB of ram

[21:58:21]

nichos:

could put my whole myth install there :)

[21:58:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: This is one of the smaller ones – we have units that have 24 cores and 256GB ram... This is a 'DR Backup' system. ;-)

[21:58:58]

nichos:

damn – can i ask what you do?

[21:59:04]

nichos:

or what the box does?

[21:59:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: but I have more disk space on my myth system – My backend has 7TB, this box has 600GB Raid5. ;-) (rest is from a SAN though, so I guess that's not a fair comparison. ;-) )

[22:00:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: I'm a Sr. Network Engineer for my company now. That box is for running many virtualized machines on it. We'll have a couple dozen virtual servers running on that.

[22:00:40]

nichos:

gotcha – our box just compiles

[22:00:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

(all winblows and Linux)

[22:00:49]

nichos:

all day long, compiles, sad life for her

[22:01:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: hehehe... is it Linux or Wintel?

[22:02:01]

nichos:

the server? Not sure, but the VMs I use on it are all windows

[22:02:09]

nichos:

we do compile for linux though

[22:03:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, so it is a VM Host, with several VMs on it. ;-) I thought for a minute it was just running Linux or Winblows, and doing parallel compiles in all the cores for speed.

[22:04:02]

nichos:

oh – back on topic, I get this a lot in my logs: Waited 2137ms for video buffers

[22:05:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: IIRC, that's *informational* only and nothing to be worried about – but you should probably wait for a more authoritative answer. ;-)

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nichos:

well, it only happens when it's locked up/skipping

[22:05:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: might be related to your 'stuttering' issue.

[22:05:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^ there ya go.

[22:05:51]

nichos:

so i thought it was a bandwith issue

[22:05:58]

nichos:

but being all on the same box.....:/

[22:06:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

How's the Smart data look for the HDDs? (Temps)

[22:06:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

Are they hot too?

[22:07:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

If you're a smoker and smoke in your house, that could contribute to stuffed-up fans/cooling fins too...

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nichos:

nope, non smokers

[22:07:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

That's good. ;-)

[22:07:46]

nichos:

looking for the hd temp

[22:08:13]

nichos:

data drive is 57'C boot drive is 61'C

[22:08:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, so it's just your CPU that's warm. ;-)

[22:09:01]

nichos:

i just really want to blame the drive – it's a WD green drive :D

[22:09:13]

nichos:

but drive prices are too high – so I'll check other avenues

[22:09:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, I *DO* have my temps monitors – I don't know why I didn't see them before! D'oh! Max temp for the 4 sensors for the week is 51.0 – current max temp is 38.14

[22:09:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

I don't have any 'green' drives in my system right now. ;-)

[22:09:54]

nichos:

don't get em

[22:09:57]

nichos:

nothing but headache

[22:10:11]

nichos:

Stupid me, I bought a 2tb for this, and a 2tb for my NAS

[22:10:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

But is the drive a factor? Is the drive new too, and the symptom started when you put the drive in?

[22:11:29]

nichos:

well, i see bandwidth issues, i think drive

[22:11:40]

nichos:

the drive was new when i build the system about a year ago

[22:12:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: Maybe another thing to consider – did you change the number of concurrent jobs or start transcoding, or start recording HD, or something like that, that would coincide with the stuttering?

[22:12:16]

nichos:

nope – that's all done at 4am

[22:12:31]

nichos:

well, commercial flagging is – where is transcoding set?

[22:13:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

Transcoding wouldn't be done unless you set it up IIRC. Commflagging is [IIRC] normally kicked off either at the start of the recording, or immediately after.

[22:14:18]

nichos:

i did change the commercial flagging to overnight

[22:14:31]

nichos:

but I might have been playing with the transcoding for web-streaming a few weeks ago

[22:16:17]

nichos:

just did it again – it did it when I posed to lines from the log up above, and it just did it now. Just watching livetv, haven't touched it

[22:16:28]

nichos:

i wonder if it's on an interval

[22:17:12]

nichos:

exactly 10 minutes, hmmmm

[22:17:20]

** nichos waits for 6:24 **

[22:17:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... check your crontab ? ;-)

[22:17:47]

nichos:

lol, true!

[22:17:56]

nichos:

that'd be funny

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nichos:

wow, my log is FILLED with this:

[22:19:41]

nichos:

mythlcdserver[9521]: I DBLogger mythdbcon.cpp:611 (exec) MySQL server disconnected

[22:19:50]

nichos:

mythlcdserver[9521]: I DBLogger mythdbcon.cpp:808 (prepare) MySQL server disconnected

[22:19:55]

nichos:

about 10/second

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J-e-f-f-A:

Do you ever optimize your DB?

[22:21:02]

nichos:

nope

[22:21:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: ie: I have a cron job to run "optimize_mythdb.pl" at 2:43am every day. ;-)

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nichos:

never done that, maybe I'll do that

[22:21:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

Maybe try that. Your DB might be super-fragmented from a years worth of recording. ;-)

[22:21:37]

nichos:

im going to turn off the LCD server too – crazy how big it is

[22:21:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

eh? What, memory use?

[22:22:21]

nichos:

memory?

[22:22:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

LCD server is 'big' ? what do you mean?

[22:22:54]

nichos:

oh – those messages in my /var/log/messages

[22:23:00]

nichos:

grep mythlcdserver messages | wc RETURNS: 1951186 23414347 203902098

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nichos:

it's about 10/sec

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh... Do you have an LCD?

[22:23:19]

nichos:

yes

[22:23:31]

nichos:

works fine

[22:23:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: And by LCD, I mean a character LCD, not your monitor/tv. ;-)

[22:23:52]

nichos:

lol

[22:23:54]

nichos:

yes

[22:24:03]

nichos:

tiny unreadable screen i thought would be cool on my box

[22:24:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehehe... I have a large Crystalfonts 20x4 on my backend in the basement. ;-)

[22:24:41]

nichos:

this is pretty useless

[22:24:46]

nichos:

all i can make out is the buffer really

[22:25:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: Yeah – from 10' away, that's all a small LCD display is good for. Unless you have the 'big clock' enabled...

[22:25:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

And then, it depends on the 'font' of the big clock. ;-)

[22:25:47]

nichos:

well, 6:24 came and went, nothing

[22:25:58]

nichos:

im going to disable the LCD for now, see if that does anything

[22:27:25]

nichos:

well, gotta get dinner started – thanks for your help tonight J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

nichos: This is what the LCD looks like on my backend – with a patched 'bigfont' with nicer characters, and a modified 'recording status' screens, which I think were integrated to 0.24 and thus 0.25 by beeeeiiirrrddooo... ;-) http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/mythtv/lcd_vid.3gp

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J-e-f-f-A:

woops, he signed off. ;-) I guess not everybody lives in the world of IRC proxies. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

cute

[23:34:07]

wagnerrp:

intel's manufacturer device code is '8086'

[23:35:33]

Beirdo:

yup

[23:37:15]

Seeker`:

jya just upgraded to your latest commit with RAOP, don't seem able ot get a connection at all :/

[23:37:43]

wagnerrp:

seems i need to revise my pciids parser a bit

[23:38:23]

jya:

Seeker`: which seeker are you ? The reason I ask, is because there's one I'm willing to wait, and the other I will just ignore :P

[23:38:31]

jya:

s/wait/help

[23:39:00]

Beirdo:

JobSeeker? :)

[23:39:00]

Seeker`:

jya: the one you asked on IRC last time :P

[23:39:07]

k-man:

morning all

[23:39:19]

Beirdo:

morning? :)

[23:39:28]

Beirdo:

you must be down under or something

[23:39:39]

k-man:

yep

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jya:

Seeker`: are you Australian?

[23:39:55]

Seeker`:

nope

[23:39:57]

Beirdo:

oh, speaking thereof... jya: I have BDROM/writer now

[23:39:59]

jya:

good :)

[23:40:01]

Seeker`:

British

[23:40:15]

Beirdo:

oooh, a limey :)

[23:40:30]

** Beirdo hides behind the beaver pelts **

[23:40:36]

jya:

Christopher Kerr is the one

[23:40:43]

Seeker`:

jya: yeah, thats not me

[23:40:50]

Beirdo:

ah, yes. him.

[23:40:52]

jya:

you both have the same name, and the same IRC nic..

[23:41:05]

jya:

allright, so what's your setup ?

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Seeker`:

jya: tried using my iphone / mac, just sits there, thinks, then goes back to playing normally (i.e. not on frontend)

[23:42:35]

jya:

start mythfrontend with -v audio --loglevel debug

[23:43:19]

jya:

BTW, I've started my complete rewrite of RAOP, but any networking issue seen now won't get any better after. that's something where there's no need to do any modification

[23:44:14]

jya:

typically, and probably the main reason that it would fail is that bonjour advertise the service using a hostname. but that hostname isn't resolvable on your network

[23:44:45]

jya:

like my mac advertised the service as running as jyaimac.local ; but jyaimac.local can't be resolved by my DNS

[23:45:10]

jya:

the airplay logo will show up in itunes/iphone ; but isn't usable

[23:45:34]

jya:

unfortunately, it doesn't tell what's wrong, it just silently fail

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Beirdo:

logging to /dev/null for efficiency?

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Seeker`:

2012-04–26 00:44:31.371123 I Bonjour: Service registration complete: name '67383842363f@MythTV on htpc' type '_raop._tcp.' domain: 'local.'

[23:46:36]

Seeker`:

tha shows it started up

[23:46:40]

Seeker`:

but it does just silently fail

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jya:

Seeker`: your frontend is a mac?

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ahhughes:

hi ppl, still trying to track this one down. But when the tuner fails because it can't get a lock... I reboot, its fixed. What prevents myth from re-trying to get a lock at runtime? I can't seem to trigger this, the only fix is a reboot :'( I am missing recordings because of this :'(

[23:47:21]

Seeker`:

jya: nope

[23:47:27]

jya:

now, does the hostname htpc.local can it be resolved outside of your machine running mythfrontend ?

[23:47:40]

Seeker`:

yes, I can ssh to htpc.local from my mac

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jya:

did you start myth with MYTH_AIRPLAY bit ?

[23:48:59]

Seeker`:

no, I thought that was only required for the video stuff

[23:49:06]

Seeker`:

(which wasn't working earlier either)

[23:49:07]

jya:

that's right.. just making sure

[23:49:43]

Seeker`:

can also SSH from my iphone to htpc.local, so that can resolve it too

[23:49:47]

jya:

give me the full output of mythfrontend starting with -v audio --loglevel debug

[23:52:14]

ahhughes:

my friend is telling me that my tuner situation could be influenced by quick tuning settings?

[23:52:18]

Seeker`:

jya: http://paste.ubuntu.com/946535/

[23:53:20]

jya:

do you have a machine with itunes?

[23:54:20]

Seeker`:

yup

[23:54:28]

Seeker`:

a mac book pro, and a windows desktop

[23:55:07]

jya:

do you have LittleSnitch installed on your mac?

[23:55:14]

Seeker`:

no

[23:55:18]

Seeker`:

well, I haven't installed it

[23:55:30]

jya:

install it.. it's easier to check what's going on with it

[23:55:46]

jya:

dont need to pay for it, the demo is enough for what I want to try

[23:55:50]

jya:

close iTunes

[23:56:02]

jya:

start LittleSnitch

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jya:

start itunes

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jya:

only accept the connection for the particular port/host

[23:56:30]

jya:

do not accept connection for the whole application

[23:56:37]

jya:

should be the default

[23:56:49]

jya:

then select the mythfrontend AirPlay device

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jya:

little snitch will ask you if it's okay to connect to "devicename" on port 5000

[23:57:21]

jya:

I'd like to know what that "devicename" is

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Seeker`:

installing now

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jya:

that's the name advertised by bonjour and which is what itunes/iphone will try to connect with

[23:58:27]

jya:

if you see fe80:blah (a link-local ipv6 address) that's probably why it fails.

[23:58:47]

Seeker`:

it requires me to restart my mac, so I'll be back in a minute

[23:58:53]

jya:

you can remove the probably bit

[23:58:56]

jya:

it's certain

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