| Thursday, April 19th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | wagnerrp: | the master's directories are only used if the slave doesnt have any defined of its own |
| [00:00:14] | wagnerrp: | if you define one, it should not scan the master's that you have NFS mounted |
| [00:00:24] | wagnerrp: | which means in turn it should not pick up the duplicates |
| [00:00:29] | wagnerrp: | and will correctly find the file on the MBE |
| [00:00:58] | skd5aner: | are we referring exclusively to artwork or the video files themselves? |
| [00:01:49] | wagnerrp: | when the scanner searches for content, it finds one instance of each relative file path, and builds off that |
| [00:02:12] | wagnerrp: | if there are multiple instances scanned in from multiple hosts, it blindly takes the first, and ignores all the rest |
| [00:02:22] | wagnerrp: | there is no intelligence to ensure it is picking up the instance from the correct host |
| [00:03:07] | wagnerrp: | so, it is incorrectly defining those files as on your slave backend |
| [00:03:26] | wagnerrp: | and since your slave backend does not have artwork directories defined, you are getting all these issues |
| [00:03:42] | skd5aner: | sigh |
| [00:03:55] | wagnerrp: | so... just define some dummy Videos directory on your slave backend |
| [00:04:02] | skd5aner: | what if I just defined matching artwork SG on the SBE as well? |
| [00:04:05] | wagnerrp: | to cause it to NOT pick up the masters directory |
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| [00:04:22] | wagnerrp: | so it will thus NOT scan that same directory on both hosts |
| [00:04:31] | skd5aner: | k, let me try it |
| [00:04:31] | wagnerrp: | and will only find the proper instance existing on the master backend |
| [00:04:51] | locuse: | hi. i've installed split front/back mythtv setup. single backend server, multiple frontends. for the frontends, on exit, i see options of "Yes, Exit now" & "Yes, Exit & Shutdown". |
| [00:04:53] | locuse: | hi. i've installed split front/back mythtv setup. single backend server, multiple frontends. for the frontends, on exit, i see options of "Yes, Exit now" & "Yes, Exit & Shutdown". |
| [00:05:14] | wagnerrp: | the same bug in the scanner existed before, , however it would have required the user to manually define the duplicate directory on both hosts to cause it |
| [00:05:36] | wagnerrp: | and further, since the bad host would have had a Videos path, there would have been something for the artwork write to fall back to |
| [00:05:50] | wagnerrp: | and instead of erroring out completely, it would have stored the artwork to the root of the storage group |
| [00:06:02] | wagnerrp: | it would have worked, but worked badly |
| [00:06:24] | wagnerrp: | locuse: ok? |
| [00:06:41] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: do I need to create artwork storage groups too? |
| [00:06:58] | locuse: | wagnerrp: hi. is what ok? |
| [00:06:59] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: it's giving me a warning that if I don't create them (and only create the video SG) that i'll put artwork in the video storage group |
| [00:07:11] | wagnerrp: | only if there is going to be content in that dummy directory that you want artwork for |
| [00:07:12] | locuse: | ah, nm ... |
| [00:07:30] | wagnerrp: | locuse: that was a statement, there was no question |
| [00:07:40] | locuse: | yes, yes. typo. here's part 2 ... |
| [00:07:41] | locuse: | Since my frontend clients will always be on multiuse-PCs rather than dedicated boxes, I *never* want the "Shutdown" option. I.e., at most, I want to exit from MytTV frontend UI to my normal linux desktop. How/where can I disable that selection/option? |
| [00:07:57] | jams: | locuse- it's in the general setup of mythfrontend |
| [00:07:58] | wagnerrp: | although looking in the other channel, you can always make the shutdown command something that will not cause the machine to shut donw |
| [00:08:19] | locuse: | jams: grr. missed it. looking ... |
| [00:08:21] | wagnerrp: | there used to be a dropdown where you could select what options you wanted |
| [00:08:27] | wagnerrp: | i assume its still around |
| [00:08:44] | jams: | yeah its still there |
| [00:10:07] | locuse: | jams: got it. hiding behind a "Default". crafty. thx. |
| [00:11:30] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: no dice – http://pastebin.com/btJeeiav |
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| [00:14:24] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: youll have to rescan to let it shift all that content over to the proper host |
| [00:14:43] | wagnerrp: | (or UPDATE videometadata SET host='whatever';) |
| [00:14:51] | skd5aner: | well, hold on a second... why should that matter... |
| [00:14:54] | skd5aner: | so, here's my thing.. |
| [00:15:02] | wagnerrp: | it still thinks the content is on your slave backend |
| [00:15:20] | skd5aner: | all pre-existing videos that had metadata and artwork still show the artwork just fine |
| [00:15:23] | wagnerrp: | so its still trying to store to non-existent artwork directories on your slave backend |
| [00:15:35] | wagnerrp: | thats correct |
| [00:15:38] | skd5aner: | new videos get metadata, and rerive the artwork, but don't put anyting in the db value |
| [00:15:49] | skd5aner: | ok, just making sure we're on the same page |
| [00:15:49] | wagnerrp: | READS will fall through properly, its only WRITES that do not fall through |
| [00:15:59] | skd5aner: | k, I'll rescan |
| [00:16:05] | skd5aner: | I see what you are saying now |
| [00:16:09] | wagnerrp: | (or just run the query) |
| [00:16:24] | wagnerrp: | lot faster than rehashing all that stuff |
| [00:16:35] | skd5aner: | yea, actually, let me look at the table and see how many are listed under the wrong host name |
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| [00:17:25] | skd5aner: | nice, all of them |
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| [00:18:25] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [00:18:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i would expect it to be either all or none |
| [00:18:40] | skd5aner: | ok... changed |
| [00:19:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: still have questions about the db thing? |
| [00:19:20] | sphery: | I have the pastebin, if so |
| [00:19:29] | sphery: | http://pastebin.com/Fradqs2W |
| [00:20:41] | wagnerrp: | seems the user had some customized mysql configuration that imposed strict schema rules |
| [00:20:59] | sphery: | or customized my.cnf? |
| [00:21:02] | wagnerrp: | and failed instead of warned on an empty default with NOT NULL |
| [00:21:10] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: still no dice... artwork downloaded, not entered in DB |
| [00:21:40] | wagnerrp: | have you restarted mythfrontend? |
| [00:21:48] | wagnerrp: | dont forget, there is some amount of caching of that data |
| [00:21:59] | skd5aner: | no, why in the world would I have done that... heh |
| [00:22:01] | skd5aner: | doing it now |
| [00:24:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you know if the user was using windows-based mysql? I'm pretty sure it's configured with sql-mode="STRICT_ALL_TABLES" in my.ini (or started with --sql-mode="STRICT_ALL_TABLES") |
| [00:25:00] | sphery: | if not, they probably changed their /etc/my.cnf? |
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| [00:25:46] | sphery: | When I get a chance (in a couple of weeks), I'll explicitly set sql mode for our connections |
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| [00:28:11] | wagnerrp: | i dont think so, but it was hand configured anyway, not a system default |
| [00:31:42] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: that didn't help |
| [00:31:45] | skd5aner: | same behavior |
| [00:31:59] | skd5aner: | images download, don't get added to videometadata table |
| [00:32:46] | wagnerrp: | could i see the logs |
| [00:33:59] | skd5aner: | yes, hang on a sec |
| [00:34:13] | skd5aner: | these ones have too much going on in them, what -v settings would you like to see? |
| [00:34:42] | wagnerrp: | just one where it searches for artwork, downloads it, and fails to insert to the database |
| [00:35:05] | wagnerrp: | just do 'w' on one of them with full logging |
| [00:35:10] | skd5aner: | heh – ok? I was using -all, but not sure what to narrow that down to, so I'll contine to use it |
| [00:35:29] | wagnerrp: | you can always use something like pastebinit if copy/paste is a problem |
| [00:35:45] | skd5aner: | nah, I should be able to get it |
| [00:37:37] | skd5aner: | nice, just segfaulted it |
| [00:38:00] | wagnerrp: | thats always lovely |
| [00:39:40] | skd5aner: | check PM |
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| [00:40:15] | adamu: | are others still having issues with frame buffering failed |
| [00:40:33] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: let me know if you need more than that |
| [00:41:02] | wagnerrp: | it looks like its still trying to use 'raptor' (the slave backend) |
| [00:41:27] | skd5aner: | yes, raptor – SBE/FE .206, hercules – MBE .200 |
| [00:41:46] | wagnerrp: | and the content is all on hercules physically, correct? |
| [00:41:58] | skd5aner: | correct |
| [00:42:06] | wagnerrp: | and you ran UPDATE videometadata SET host='hercules'; ? |
| [00:42:34] | skd5aner: | yes, but refreshing the table now, that particular episode reset itself back to "raptor" |
| [00:42:46] | wagnerrp: | have you scanned for content since changing it? |
| [00:42:51] | skd5aner: | nope |
| [00:43:11] | wagnerrp: | are you sure you actually ran that UPDATE? |
| [00:43:18] | wagnerrp: | the only thing that should change the host is a scan |
| [00:43:22] | skd5aner: | yes, it updated every row |
| [00:43:33] | skd5aner: | let me hit "w" on episode 2 |
| [00:44:00] | wagnerrp: | do you have anything configured to trigger the scan on the MBE? |
| [00:44:14] | skd5aner: | well, ***(&&&*&*(&*( |
| [00:44:19] | wagnerrp: | something that might have changed it back to the bad value? |
| [00:44:25] | skd5aner: | when I did it on episode 2, it worked |
| [00:44:29] | skd5aner: | still set as hercules |
| [00:44:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ok, thanks for the info (and for helping him while I wasn't around)... I'll get the explicit sql mode in as soon as I can and maybe we can even backport it |
| [00:44:44] | skd5aner: | the only row in the table set incorrectly is episode 1, somehow it get reset to raptor |
| [00:44:49] | wagnerrp: | what about that specific change in the video scanner? |
| [00:44:58] | skd5aner: | so, it retrieved artwork and set it in the database correctly for ep 2 |
| [00:45:12] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: you changed it, and then you ran 'w' prior to exiting the frontend? |
| [00:45:14] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: no, I don't believe I have set anything up to trigger scans automatically |
| [00:45:21] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yes, that's likely what happened |
| [00:45:31] | wagnerrp: | so it reset it based off its own internal value |
| [00:45:39] | wagnerrp: | which hadnt been refreshed and was still the wrong hostname |
| [00:45:40] | skd5aner: | yea, cache or something |
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| [00:47:04] | skd5aner: | reset the value in the db, closed and restart mfe, and now I can update ep 1 |
| [00:47:20] | skd5aner: | hurray... thanks for your persistance... so, the workaround of creating the dummy video sg worked |
| [00:48:16] | skd5aner: | interested in taking on another video library metadata challenge? |
| [00:48:24] | skd5aner: | this one involves filename parsing |
| [00:49:49] | wagnerrp: | go fo rit |
| [00:50:11] | skd5aner: | so, I mentioned one oddity the other day, from the way it worked in 0.24... |
| [00:50:44] | skd5aner: | A filename such as Seinfeld_s04e03-e04.mkv will parse it as... |
| [00:50:55] | skd5aner: | title: Seinfeld s04 |
| [00:51:00] | skd5aner: | Season 03 |
| [00:51:04] | skd5aner: | Episode 04 |
| [00:51:41] | skd5aner: | instead of Title: Seinfeld, Season: 04, Episode 03 – and ignoring the rest |
| [00:52:08] | skd5aner: | btw, I found another parsing oddity I'll explain in a bit after this one |
| [00:53:30] | adamu: | so I checked my frontend logs to try to figure out why whenever watching tv i get the video frame buffering failed errors, i found this error message repeated many times :25 timroom mythfrontend[2374]: N CoreContext mythplayer.cpp:2079 (PrebufferEnoughFrames) Player(0): Waited 6863ms for video buffers LAFAdAADAAAAdA Apr 18 20:00:25 timroom mythfrontend[2374]: W Decoder ringbuffer.cpp:1028 (WaitForReadsAllowed) RingBuf(myth://192.168 |
| [00:53:40] | adamu: | any insight on what could be the problem? |
| [00:54:28] | wagnerrp: | live or pre-recorded? |
| [00:55:34] | adamu: | live tv |
| [00:55:45] | adamu: | recordings are always fine |
| [00:56:28] | locuse: | in .../.mythtv/config.xml i see a "<UDN><MediaRenderer>#####</MediaRenderer></UDN>&qu ot; stanza. where's that documented? not finding it in the wiki. i'd like to know if that ##### has any specific format/content requirements, and if it must be sync'd across front & backends. |
| [00:56:57] | wagnerrp: | locuse: at the moment, its something to be ignored |
| [00:57:11] | wagnerrp: | it gets autogenerated by the UPNP code, and thats about all there is to know about it |
| [00:57:29] | locuse: | wagnerrp: that's easy :-) ignored for both front & back ends? |
| [00:57:40] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt get used beyond 'UPNP devices need one" |
| [00:57:55] | locuse: | got it. moving on ... |
| [01:01:09] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: the other parsing thing I noticed is that it's not parsing the following format correctly: Title/Season 1/Title s01e01 Subtitle.mpg |
| [01:02:10] | wagnerrp: | another user reported it was picking 'Season 1' as the title |
| [01:02:48] | skd5aner: | I've transcoding my Good Eats episodes over, and I'm using: ../Good Eats/Season 1/Good Eats – s01e01 – Coconut Cake Revival.mp4 for example |
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| [01:03:02] | skd5aner: | and it parses it as: |
| [01:03:14] | skd5aner: | Title: Good Eats – Coconut Cake Revival |
| [01:03:52] | jya: | wagnerrp: streaming from iTunes to mythfrontend will work "soon" |
| [01:04:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, someone else mentioned that earlier today |
| [01:04:37] | ** skd5aner waves ** | |
| [01:04:47] | wagnerrp: | i thought i recall you saying a few days back that the extra authentication mechanism used by itunes was unknown |
| [01:05:00] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: i thought you had said it, but wasnt certain |
| [01:06:00] | skd5aner: | jya: if you're catching up in the backlog, you'll see I later pointed out the user asking that it was being looked into (didn't want to put you on the spot and overpromise anything since you hadn't confirmed it was feasible to pull in from the other app yet) |
| [01:07:18] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: that's all the background info on my parsing issues – want me to provide any additional details and/or file a ticket? |
| [01:07:59] | wagnerrp: | and you said these both worked before? |
| [01:08:38] | jya: | wagnerrp: that's what I thought… from reading some sources a while back.. But yesterday I found a program called shairport.. And it works just fine.. It also works brilliantly for things like seeking etc… soI 'm going to rewrite our whole RAOP code copying that one instead. I never understood why the RAOP code right now does things as it does… makes little sense to me. And if you get dropped frames, audio will cut out . Shairplay recovers n |
| [01:09:32] | jya: | I had intended to work on airplay yesterday, but I decided to develop on the mac this time. Now that I have xcode working to debug mythtv, it's going to be 100 times easier that it's ever been. |
| [01:09:59] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: not sure about the second case, just started that naming scheme tonight, but the first one defintely worked |
| [01:10:09] | jya: | Unfortunately, I hit a bug on the mac that got me really annoyed, so I'm trying to fix that one first as I think it's more important than airplay (Which does work already a bit) |
| [01:10:26] | wagnerrp: | it's got to be a change in the regular expression behavior in qt |
| [01:10:35] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: in fact, I had asked about how to handle the situation of at least identifying in the filename that it contained 2 episodes, even if it didn't display as such within the video library |
| [01:10:35] | wagnerrp: | since the filename parsing code has not changed in over two years |
| [01:11:12] | skd5aner: | ...and that was Robert's advice at the time – since it's supposed to ignore everything after it discoves what it needs |
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| [01:16:39] | skd5aner: | alright – well, thanks wagnerrp for the help... at least we narrowed down a workaround for the first one (and identified what it'll take to "fix" it) – and if you get to looking at the parsing stuff, reach out and I can provide you with details if you need them |
| [01:16:49] | skd5aner: | I've got some family things I need to attend to, later |
| [01:17:07] | wagnerrp: | ive got a couple of those types of files i can test on |
| [01:17:19] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: well, you can always make dummy files |
| [01:17:23] | wagnerrp: | that too |
| [01:17:42] | wagnerrp: | the hard part is working up the nerve to work on a 500 character long regular expression |
| [01:17:55] | skd5aner: | I hate 8 character long regexs |
| [01:18:03] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:18:28] | skd5aner: | I never really learned them / never was taught... so I was always intemidated by how to create them without simply copy and pasting someone elses |
| [01:19:09] | skd5aner: | seems like RDV might have been pretty good at them |
| [01:19:29] | skd5aner: | !seen RDV |
| [01:19:29] | MythLogBot: | RDV has not been seen here |
| [01:19:38] | wagnerrp: | !RDV_Linux |
| [01:19:47] | skd5aner: | !seen RDV_Linux |
| [01:19:48] | MythLogBot: | RDV_Linux was last seen 135 days 6 hours 55 minutes ago |
| [01:19:55] | locuse: | In client UI, schedule view, iiuc, typical schedule extent is 13 days. is there a calendar view where i can select a given day to view, or some "skip to next day" navigation, rather thant simply right-arrow scrolling through the hours & days? |
| [01:20:02] | wagnerrp: | hes usually on server, but he doesnt come into the channel any longer |
| [01:20:09] | wagnerrp: | plus hes using a different name... |
| [01:20:16] | skd5aner: | locuse: I always use mythweb for that kind of stuff |
| [01:20:39] | skd5aner: | locuse: also, I think page up/down might skip days or something? |
| [01:20:44] | locuse: | skd5aner: oh, not the frontend client ... hadn't gotten there yet. |
| [01:20:53] | wagnerrp: | you know hes done a lot of regex stuff? |
| [01:20:54] | ** locuse looks for mythweb ... ** | |
| [01:21:12] | wagnerrp: | the grabbers were primarily XPath/XSLT |
| [01:21:20] | skd5aner: | locuse: might try end/home for skipping in the guide as well |
| [01:21:34] | wagnerrp: | a similarly archaic, but different, parsing language |
| [01:21:44] | skd5aner: | locuse: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings#Electronic_Program_Guide |
| [01:22:02] | locuse: | skd5aner: yep, end/home are +/- 1 day. thx. |
| [01:22:16] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: no, sorry – I was just making assumptions that he probably used them in his scripts |
| [01:22:26] | locuse: | skd5aner: thx for the link. lots to read still ... |
| [01:22:47] | skd5aner: | locuse: no matter how much you read, you'll only be able to pick up a few things... just too many little hiddle things like that |
| [01:22:51] | jya: | wagnerrp: in the #torc, robert talks about the video scanning in videos being broken due to recent changes (past 2 months) and in particular messing up with the file browse mode.. And I don't recall any of such changes.. are you aware of this? |
| [01:23:11] | wagnerrp: | i didnt touch file browse mode (that i know of) |
| [01:23:26] | wagnerrp: | the only thing my changes did were mess with the directories that got passed into the scanner |
| [01:23:36] | wagnerrp: | what the scanner does with those directories is the same as it was before |
| [01:24:02] | jya: | yeah, I certainly didn't see anything related to threads or file browse mode |
| [01:24:14] | jya: | not in a while |
| [01:24:24] | wagnerrp: | threads? |
| [01:26:01] | jya: | like the scanning thread isn't stopped before exiting mythvideo |
| [01:26:52] | wagnerrp: | ah, my changes shouldnt have affected that either |
| [01:27:05] | jya: | http://pastebin.com/rN67Q45m |
| [01:27:30] | jya: | yeah, I think that "analysis" is rubbish |
| [01:27:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, skd5 aner mentioned that earlier |
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| [01:28:03] | wagnerrp: | its possible the new directories being passed into the scanner cause further strangeness with file browse mode |
| [01:28:30] | jya: | oh.. I did see something strange in 0.25 few days ago.. |
| [01:28:31] | wagnerrp: | but nothing that couldnt be otherwise produced manually through definition of the storage groups in the database |
| [01:28:34] | jya: | so I have a file: |
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| [01:29:08] | jya: | tv_series_title.icanttellyouwhereigotitfrom.s01e01.avi |
| [01:29:14] | locuse: | my only capture device is a 2-ch HDHR. i noticed that the default install seems to have config "Max recordings = 2" for each channel. IIUC, the HDHR is a 1 recording-per-channel device. is that correct, and those values should be set to "=1"? |
| [01:29:27] | jya: | I manually edit the title in the metadata edit screen. |
| [01:29:33] | jya: | tv_series_title |
| [01:29:50] | jya: | now I go into info -> details -> retrieve info (or something like that |
| [01:30:04] | jya: | and bang, name becomes tv_series_title.icanttellyouwhereigotitfrom again |
| [01:30:06] | wagnerrp: | locuse: the HDHR is a one channel per channel device |
| [01:30:16] | locuse: | so, ==1 |
| [01:30:18] | wagnerrp: | each channel may carry many audio and video streams, or "subchannels" |
| [01:30:34] | locuse: | o0 |
| [01:30:41] | wagnerrp: | you may have noticed local channels might be 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 12.xxx |
| [01:30:57] | wagnerrp: | the major networks might have a weather or news subchannel |
| [01:31:05] | wagnerrp: | PBS stations often have half a dozen subchannels |
| [01:31:15] | locuse: | yup, i have. but does that affect "Max Recordings" value? |
| [01:31:16] | wagnerrp: | that all comes multiplexed in on one physical channel |
| [01:31:26] | skd5aner: | locuse: it's called "multi-rec" and those act as virtual tuners... as wagnerrp is explaining in detail, any channel that has subchannels can be recorded simultaneously... so you can have multiple recordings on a single physical interface in those cases |
| [01:31:27] | wagnerrp: | the "max recordings" sets up that many virtual tuners |
| [01:31:43] | wagnerrp: | each virtual tuner capable of recording one stream within that multiplex, or physical channel |
| [01:32:02] | wagnerrp: | so you capture the whole multiplex, and you simultaneously store off that many subchannels within it |
| [01:32:15] | locuse: | that's new info for me. cool. so what's the recommended value for the HDHR? |
| [01:32:22] | skd5aner: | jya: sound exactly like my issue I mentioned above |
| [01:32:27] | wagnerrp: | there is a soft limit of 5 |
| [01:32:39] | skd5aner: | (issue 2) |
| [01:32:48] | wagnerrp: | the more tuners you have, the more load there is on the scheduler |
| [01:33:01] | jya: | skd5aner: i haven't read the whole log back, there were like 750 messages since I last read IRC |
| [01:33:07] | wagnerrp: | but with just broadcast channels, and a decent processor, 10 virtual tuners wont be a problem for it to handle |
| [01:33:19] | jya: | skd5aner: I only look at lines where my name is mentioned |
| [01:33:20] | skd5aner: | jya: I thought you had it live-streamed into your subconcious? |
| [01:33:25] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [01:33:44] | wagnerrp: | jya: if you have an active slave backend with no Videos directories defined, it will scan those defined for the master backend |
| [01:33:50] | locuse: | wagnerrp: this is a 1,8GHz DualCore AMD350. sound like just set == 5/each, and be done with it |
| [01:34:01] | jya: | actually, I did wake-up in the middle of the night, check #mythtv to see if stuartm answered my question. then back to bed with plans for tomorrow |
| [01:34:06] | skd5aner: | jya: I litterally mean I was explainingit in the last 30–40 mins, since I thought you had come back around |
| [01:34:18] | wagnerrp: | as a consequence, if you happen to have that folder mounted on the slave backend, there will be issues where the files may be mapped to the wrong backend |
| [01:34:38] | jya: | wagnerrp: I only have one backend. |
| [01:34:45] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: wrong issue... |
| [01:35:00] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: we were both referring to the parsing issue |
| [01:35:08] | wagnerrp: | oh, parsing issue |
| [01:35:26] | wagnerrp: | well anyway, not applicable, since hes bypassing the parser and defining the title manually |
| [01:35:36] | skd5aner: | he has a filename that's basically including the first thing after the title, as part of the tite, like my Good Eats episodes are doing |
| [01:35:41] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you hit cancel and not apply? |
| [01:36:02] | jya: | not sure if it's a parsing issue. but after a scan, the name cancel all my manual editing and goes back to whatever it was when it was first scanned ever |
| [01:36:13] | locuse: | with myth front&back working for me, the need/interest in tvheadend has vanished, and that for xbmc is — a question. the only this i know *it* provides that i *do* want is the AmazonPrime integration plugin. i've started looking for same in Myth-TV land ... does a Prime plugin for vieweing &/or DVR-ing exist for mythtv? |
| [01:36:15] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: he said he went in and manually set it, pulled metadata, and it reset itself back to the parsed defaults |
| [01:36:28] | skd5aner: | ah, yea... so, a combo issue :) |
| [01:36:30] | skd5aner: | heh, sorry |
| [01:36:35] | wagnerrp: | locuse: possible, but not yet available |
| [01:36:40] | jya: | wagnerrp: I know how to save changes… believe it or not |
| [01:36:54] | wagnerrp: | mythnetvision can do flash video playback |
| [01:37:07] | jya: | scenario is this: add file tv_series_title.icanttellyouwhereigotitfrom.s01e01.avi to my collection. mythvideo -> scan. Name is added as tv_series_title.icanttellyouwhereigotitfrom |
| [01:37:11] | skd5aner: | jya: if you make the manual change, save it, then completely exit out of mythfrontend and restart and rescan again, does it still overwrite you manual changes |
| [01:37:11] | locuse: | wagnerrp: noted. same stroy for Hulu, i suppose? |
| [01:37:12] | wagnerrp: | but it is currently lacking the cookie capabilities needed to allow users to log in and access their Prime account |
| [01:37:24] | jya: | I edit the file name as tv_series_title in the metadata eidtor |
| [01:37:37] | wagnerrp: | Hulu works fine, Hulu Plus is in the same boat as Amazon Prime |
| [01:37:39] | jya: | get info -> back to tv_series_title.icanttellyouwhereigotitfrom |
| [01:38:22] | wagnerrp: | jya: only thing i can think of is youre accidentally in file browse mode, you accidentally hit cancel rather than apply when changing the information, or you accidentally hit reset rather than retrieve |
| [01:38:40] | jya: | skd5aner: I never tried exiting the frontend.. I have the feeling the soon someone will ask me to reboot, format my boot disk, re-install and see if the name stays unchange |
| [01:38:47] | locuse: | thanks all. now to setup some recording, and make the wife happy. g'nite! |
| [01:38:50] | skd5aner: | yea, but do you mind just trying that? |
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| [01:39:04] | jya: | wagnerrp: I never make mistakes :) |
| [01:39:19] | skd5aner: | jya: not that it should be required/expected... I'm just curious based on something I saw earlier that was screwing everythng up |
| [01:39:22] | jya: | I actually, went and re-did it three times in a row |
| [01:39:26] | wagnerrp: | jya: previously, mythvideo would pull content once from the database when you entered, and keep until the exited |
| [01:39:31] | jya: | each time, after retrieving data, it did it again |
| [01:39:54] | wagnerrp: | as a plugin, that content might stay around a couple seconds after you left the plugin, until the plugin api deleted the active instance |
| [01:39:57] | jya: | i can provide more logs later, and will raise a bug |
| [01:40:04] | skd5aner: | so, if you change it... exit mfe, restart mfe, and then "get info" does it overwrite you manual changes |
| [01:40:09] | wagnerrp: | now that its integrated... i dont know how long that cache will persist |
| [01:40:23] | wagnerrp: | at the very least, you would need to exit the video library and go back in to refresh the content |
| [01:40:31] | wagnerrp: | you may need to restart the frontend |
| [01:40:46] | jya: | wagnerrp: this is recent that behavior.. now I;m not sure if it started when I upgraded my main system to 0.25 (2 months ago) or later |
| [01:41:30] | skd5aner: | jya: I bring it up, because I was having the same issue... I was actually directly editing a row in the database, and no matter what I did, when I got info, it would reset it with the data it had in cache |
| [01:41:36] | wagnerrp: | well thats all UI stuff, which is still robert's domain |
| [01:41:45] | skd5aner: | jya: when I exited the frontend, it worked and stopped overwriting me |
| [01:41:46] | wagnerrp: | ive not touched anything UI related |
| [01:42:08] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: hes talking about editing it through the UI, which would not suffer that issue |
| [01:43:01] | skd5aner: | well... I might put money on it that if he exits out completely, and then get's info, that his manual edit stays there |
| [01:43:28] | wagnerrp: | worth a try.... |
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| [01:44:11] | jya: | yeah, I'll try it later… |
| [01:44:12] | skd5aner: | alright – really got to run now... thanks, good luck jya – we always seem to be looking at the same bugs lately, ha |
| [01:44:33] | skd5aner: | it's just that you actually fix them |
| [01:44:35] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [01:44:38] | skd5aner: | g'night |
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| [01:49:21] | jya: | skd5aner: night |
| [01:51:34] | jya: | looks like a nice development box: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5v5ziNp1fk&feature=relmfu |
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| [02:31:09] | wagnerrp: | jya: isnt that thing like $1800? |
| [02:32:16] | skd5aner: | when something is set to delete + re-record, is the "duplicate" column set to "0" in the oldrecorded table? Anything else happen? |
| [02:32:56] | wagnerrp: | thats it as far as i know |
| [02:33:44] | jya: | wagnerrp: no idea about the price.. But $1800 sounds like a reasonable deal for such a processor, ECC ram, 27" IPS screen etc |
| [02:34:46] | wagnerrp: | i recall seeing that a couple days ago and thinking "nice screen, nice proc, decent video... that would make a nice kitchenpute-- oh god look at that price" |
| [02:35:10] | jya: | I paid more for my iMac |
| [02:35:33] | jya: | not sure you would want such a powerful beast in your kitchen though |
| [02:35:44] | jya: | the processor alone would be > $500 |
| [02:35:53] | skd5aner: | obviously aiming at the corporate workstation market |
| [02:36:00] | wagnerrp: | i just saw it was an i-something and had nvidia graphics |
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| [02:36:26] | wagnerrp: | then i saw the price, and realized it was a quadro, and realized it was intended for a completely different purpose |
| [02:36:37] | jya: | all iMac comes with ATI graphic, done so for a while now |
| [02:37:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but you have to have a big gaudy white thing sitting on your counter |
| [02:37:35] | ** wagnerrp has never been a fan of the glossy white aesthetic ** | |
| [02:37:47] | jya: | imac are aluminum and black bezel |
| [02:38:02] | wagnerrp: | that a recent thing? |
| [02:38:06] | skd5aner: | hmmm, mythutil --resched is giving me: 2012-04–18 22:37:58.850214 E Error sending reschedule command to master backend |
| [02:38:08] | jya: | 2008 I think |
| [02:38:09] | wagnerrp: | they werent a couple years ago |
| [02:38:41] | jya: | http://www.apple.com/imac/ |
| [02:39:16] | jya: | it's the best desktop I've ever had easy.. it's whisper quiet, takes no space and gosh it's fast |
| [02:39:26] | wagnerrp: | so they look more like their studio monitors |
| [02:39:42] | jya: | they look almost identical to their monitors |
| [02:39:59] | jya: | their aluminum monitors came out after the first imac |
| [02:40:04] | jya: | in aluminium |
| [02:40:22] | wagnerrp: | last time i saw one, the bottom chunk was about twice that size, and glossy white |
| [02:40:25] | jya: | I like that you can't see a single screw |
| [02:40:46] | jya: | ah yeah, that would have been the imac g5, and the first imac with a core duo |
| [02:40:59] | jya: | following models were all aluminium already |
| [02:41:05] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [02:41:25] | jya: | they've changed slightly since … |
| [02:42:12] | jya: | 2006 was the last polycarbonate imac |
| [02:42:30] | jya: | 2007 first release of aluminum imac |
| [02:42:35] | jya: | 2009 unibody imac |
| [02:42:55] | jya: | they became 16:10 ratio then |
| [02:43:04] | jya: | sorry 17:9 |
| [02:43:07] | jya: | 16:9 |
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| [02:54:09] | jya: | number of hosts in the smolt page seems to increase about 40 a day.. |
| [02:54:22] | jya: | having said that, 578 hosts, 7104 devices? |
| [02:54:30] | jya: | how many devices can one have ??? |
| [02:55:05] | wagnerrp: | about 12 |
| [02:55:25] | jya: | :) |
| [02:55:52] | jya: | surely, there's no way there's an average of 12.29 devices per host |
| [02:56:02] | wagnerrp: | those are unique computer components |
| [02:56:15] | wagnerrp: | a certain CPU might be a device |
| [02:56:19] | wagnerrp: | or a chipset |
| [02:56:28] | wagnerrp: | or keyboard, IR receiver, tuner card, etc.... |
| [02:56:28] | jya: | so if I upload one profile only |
| [02:56:41] | jya: | it will increase the device counter by 12 on average? |
| [02:56:50] | wagnerrp: | you could have 20–30 new components, or you could have all components that have already been registered |
| [02:57:04] | jya: | ah I see then |
| [02:57:14] | jya: | that's a very misleading name for "devices" then |
| [02:57:19] | jya: | for me a whole machine is a device. |
| [02:57:54] | wagnerrp: | in this case, the individual components count, as the system is intended to indicate what components work on linux |
| [02:58:03] | wagnerrp: | "system" being smolt |
| [02:58:25] | jya: | I don't think I ever got that functionality working :( |
| [02:58:54] | wagnerrp: | try running sendProfile.py manually |
| [02:59:01] | wagnerrp: | there should be an option to just dump the profile, rather than send it |
| [02:59:27] | jya: | I still reckon that stuff should have been sent all the time |
| [02:59:43] | jya: | rather than hide it in something unrelated (setup wizard) |
| [03:00:00] | jya: | I moved the setup wizard at the top to help… but … doesn't get far enough |
| [03:00:12] | wagnerrp: | apparently it was done that way out of privacy concerns |
| [03:01:01] | jya: | sure… not sure sending anonymous data related to the type of CPU you're running add any privacy issues |
| [03:01:30] | wagnerrp: | no, but some of the mythtv-specific stuff were pulling could |
| [03:01:52] | wagnerrp: | im planning on making that thing easier to run for 0.26 |
| [03:02:02] | wagnerrp: | i.e. enable it once, and it runs everywhere |
| [03:02:06] | jya: | I think it would have been nice, for say when you run the mythwelcome the first time, you get asked something like "Please help make mythtv better, by providing some unique, one-off information. Upload your hardware profile. Yes/No/don't bother me again |
| [03:02:13] | wagnerrp: | here, you have to go into the setup wizard on each frontend to enable it |
| [03:02:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i mentioned doing something like that a few months back |
| [03:02:31] | jya: | i remember |
| [03:03:21] | wagnerrp: | it would be nice to get at least partial operation in freebsd/osx going |
| [03:03:36] | wagnerrp: | right now, theres just an arbitrary cutoff if the machine is not linux |
| [03:03:36] | jya: | damn.. that xcode debugger is sooooo much nicer than debugging on linux |
| [03:03:57] | jya: | wagnerrp: on mac the main issue is installing the python binding |
| [03:04:00] | jya: | it's on my todo list |
| [03:04:01] | wagnerrp: | get some actual numbers of usage on other platforms |
| [03:04:16] | wagnerrp: | well... and the sysfs stuff |
| [03:04:24] | jya: | right now , I'm doing fixing the loss of keyboard bit, then airtunes, then python bindings |
| [03:04:26] | wagnerrp: | pretty much all of smolt besides the mythtv-specific stuff |
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| [03:21:39] | skd5aner: | sphery: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/04/why-th . . . n-the-lines/ |
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| [03:24:42] | kelli: | I have a mythbox setup with separate front/backeneds. However until recently I am unable to watch live tv. I consistently get a Error opening jump program file. |
| [03:24:54] | kelli: | If I go into the EPG and record the show, I can watch a recording just fine. |
| [03:24:56] | locuse: | "close, but no cigar" — yet. my backend is 'randomly' (sometimes when it's doing nothing, sometimes when it's recording, and i can't reproduce it on demand, yet) dying off with "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'St9bad_alloc'". |
| [03:25:05] | locuse: | not much re" this error and mythtv that i've found. i'm suspicious it's memory related, but this backend is a 2GB box, and right after this happens, 'top' sez Mem: 2120136k tot, 819104k used, ... |
| [03:25:31] | locuse: | so at 1st glance, that's not a memory issue. any hints as to how to troubleshoot _this_? |
| [03:25:50] | kelli: | I'm running 0.25.0+fixes. |
| [03:25:58] | kelli: | With a HD HR Prime behind the scenes. |
| [03:33:51] | kelli: | Noo :-( i needs my housewives! |
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| [03:47:30] | locuse: | hm. 2G->4G seems to fix the problem. 4G seems a pretty 'fat' requirements for a simple backend ... |
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| [03:51:32] | kelli: | locuse, meh :-( |
| [03:52:51] | locuse: | wagnerrp: i saw your comments re mythlink.pl & 0.25 @ "http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 10504". i assume that means that mythlink.pl WITH the correct binding IS 0.25 friendly? atm, i can get it to work from command-line, but — so far — unable to get it to work from a RecordingStarted SYstemEvent. wanted to check ... |
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| [03:57:44] | wagnerrp: | mythlink.pl should work fine with 0.25 |
| [03:57:53] | wagnerrp: | and the correct bindings are installed as part of core |
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| [03:58:56] | locuse: | wagnerrp: good. well, sort of. that means i'm doing something wrong with the SystemEvent :-/ |
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| [04:26:37] | kelli: | i cannot figure this out |
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| [05:39:55] | ahhughes: | I am spending a great deal of time thinking about how I can get winamp on my mythfrontend. |
| [05:40:11] | ahhughes: | inevidably, it'll have to be via a vm |
| [05:41:03] | ahhughes: | I have a virtual box vm, that I can obviously start from the command line. Thus it would be easy to add a menu item to myths menu..... |
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| [05:41:49] | ahhughes: | Ideally, the vm is started regardless of weather you use it or not (that way it swiches over FAST) |
| [05:42:30] | ahhughes: | which means that myth needs to set focus fowards/backwards of the vm or front end. |
| [05:42:33] | [R]: | that sounds pretty retarded... |
| [05:42:49] | ahhughes: | Its what I do best. |
| [05:43:23] | ahhughes: | unless its possible to embed a UI window somehow into the frontend... |
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| [05:52:46] | simcop2387: | is there an existing script to remove stale entries from the database? what i mean by that are recordings for which the file no longer exists. |
| [05:53:21] | [R]: | how did you manage that? |
| [05:53:39] | simcop2387: | not entirely sure, but they've built up since around 2008–2009 or so |
| [05:54:13] | simcop2387: | likely power outages or other random things like that |
| [05:54:32] | [R]: | the find orphans script might get it |
| [05:54:43] | simcop2387: | ok i'll have a look |
| [05:59:42] | simcop2387: | wow 280MB of orphaned snapshots. |
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| [06:08:55] | Beirdo: | time for some Weird Al |
| [06:17:48] | kelli: | time to get livetv working again :-( |
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| [10:54:50] | justinh: | that reminds me. I tried to submit a hardware profile but it said it couldn't make a connection |
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| [11:03:32] | justinh: | ah I'm missing stuff |
| [11:05:42] | justinh: | missing python.urlgrabber. Now I get a different error |
| [11:05:59] | justinh: | MythTV.exceptions.MythDBError: Mismatched schema version for 'DBSchemaVer': database speaks version 1299, we speak version 1264. Old bindings? |
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| [11:11:37] | justinh: | gah. I still had libmythtv-python installed |
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| [11:21:43] | justinh: | heh & mythbrowser doesn't show the results properly here |
| [11:22:02] | justinh: | grabbed the URL & viewed it in a normal browser though. cool stuff :-) |
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| [12:14:27] | jya: | justinh: have you had a chance to fully test the spdif override stuff? |
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| [12:37:38] | jya: | hum… I knew some stuff were too good to be true.. this shairport stuff has no handling of latencies and timestamp whatsoever. so while it works great for audio, if you play a video on the iphone with audio via raop : the A/V sync is completely broken, with 1–2s lag... |
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| [13:12:48] | JackWinter: | can i use an enigma1 sat receiver as a backend for mythtv? (dm7000) |
| [13:14:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not run on the MIPS architecture |
| [13:14:52] | wagnerrp: | and even if it did, it would want more power and memory than is available in a dreambox |
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| [13:17:56] | wagnerrp: | JackWinter: ^^^ |
| [13:18:14] | JackWinter: | wagnerrp: and it can't use the video streaming from it either? |
| [13:19:17] | wagnerrp: | it has no special support for it |
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| [13:19:25] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to use the linux vtuner driver |
| [13:19:47] | wagnerrp: | which makes it appear as a local DVB device on networked PCs |
| [13:19:54] | JackWinter: | the reason i ask is because i've started using xbmc on a pc, and would like to add sat tv to it. don't know if i should buy a dvb card or maybe a new receiver and wanted to play around with it before spending money :) |
| [13:20:15] | JackWinter: | vtuner, is that part of mythtv? |
| [13:20:32] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [13:22:35] | JackWinter: | ah, i think i found it. seems to be only enigma2, so won't work for mine :) oh well back to googling then |
| [13:22:49] | JackWinter: | thanks for the help |
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| [13:37:26] | CiaranG: | The wife and kids are out for a few hours, do I dare upgrade from 0.24 to 0.25 (1 backend, 7 frontends) while they're out, bearing in mind that there will be hell to pay if it's broken when they return? |
| [13:38:13] | skd5aner: | isn't the enigma box the one that controls your mind with a green ray? |
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| [13:41:20] | seeker: | Hallo |
| [13:42:55] | pepsiman: | CiaranG, my wife isn't happy with current 0.25 stability |
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| [13:43:50] | CiaranG: | pepsiman: Hmm, are we talking about crashes or something else? |
| [13:44:12] | pepsiman: | mythwelcome hangs |
| [13:45:12] | CiaranG: | Ok, I don't think that will affect me |
| [13:48:08] | CiaranG: | Nothing ever gets shut down here, and the backend is not a frontend, so (as far as I know anyway) I don't run that at all |
| [13:48:16] | skd5aner: | I really hope the "commercial-mailing list" thread goes viral and RMS joins in, then Steve Cook will join in, and then the President will Weigh in, then the UN, then the Pope, then... |
| [13:49:31] | skd5aner: | CiaranG: do they use MythMusic often? |
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| [14:00:47] | CiaranG: | skd5aner: Never |
| [14:01:16] | skd5aner: | CiaranG: the new mythmusic works, but many people don't like it as the UX is quite a bit different from the old style |
| [14:01:35] | skd5aner: | from a stability point, I've had few problems |
| [14:01:46] | skd5aner: | not enough to cause constant pain |
| [14:02:03] | CiaranG: | Maybe I'll like the new mythmusic enough to actually use it :) |
| [14:02:12] | skd5aner: | yea, some people don't mind it |
| [14:02:15] | CiaranG: | I think I'm just going to do the upgrade and see what happens |
| [14:03:34] | skd5aner: | sounds good to me... are you running a package/distro? |
| [14:03:52] | CiaranG: | Yeah, I'm using the mythbuntu repos |
| [14:04:03] | skd5aner: | cool – make sure you get the latest 0.25-fixes from them |
| [14:04:13] | skd5aner: | some of the early bugs have already been fixed |
| [14:04:53] | CiaranG: | Ok, cool, thanks – I'm going to do it, even at the risk of starting another stupid "you should have let me get sky+" argument |
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| [14:33:03] | hR13: | Hi, I dont get any program info of two of my channels, when I go to handle recordings this two channels only says unknown. I have rescanned the channels on my backend and run the Mythfilldatabase with out any luck. any one with suggestions |
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| [15:04:22] | CiaranG: | Brilliant, it just works (0.24–0.25 upgrade) |
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| [15:10:59] | skd5aner: | CiaranG: good deal |
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| [15:12:49] | CiaranG: | Yep, I'm very happy. I've done nothing but run "dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos && apt-get dist-upgrade" 8 times, and everything still works (so far anyway!) |
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| [15:25:38] | skd5aner: | CiaranG: btw, I wouldn't do a dist-upgrade at the same time as updating mythtv |
| [15:25:54] | skd5aner: | in fact, I wouldnt' do them the same week |
| [15:26:25] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, why not? |
| [15:26:27] | skd5aner: | becasue then you don't know if your problem was caused by the upgrade of mythtv or the upgrade of your distro/kernel/packages/etc |
| [15:26:32] | CiaranG: | dist-upgrade doesn't mean upgrading the distro |
| [15:26:42] | skd5aner: | yea, but it could upgrade your kernel |
| [15:26:45] | CiaranG: | It's the same as upgrade, except it can also add/remove packages |
| [15:26:50] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, upgrading from 0.24->0.25 requires a dist-upgrade |
| [15:27:01] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: it does? |
| [15:27:04] | CiaranG: | (which is necessary, since libmyth-0.24 needs removing) |
| [15:27:09] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, yes |
| [15:27:13] | skd5aner: | well, ignore me then... sorry |
| [15:27:18] | CiaranG: | I run a dist-upgrade every day, on every machine |
| [15:27:21] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, note that dist-upgrade isn't upgrading the distro |
| [15:27:37] | skd5aner: | yea, but I thought dist-upgrade was required for kernel updates |
| [15:27:44] | CiaranG: | You're right though, it could upgrade the kernel |
| [15:27:59] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, dist-upgrade is required whenever a new dependency or conflict is made |
| [15:27:59] | CiaranG: | But I think a normal upgrade without the dist- would do that too |
| [15:28:14] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, basically, apt-get upgrade can upgrade packages, but cannot install or remove new packages |
| [15:28:16] | skd5aner: | I use ubuntu, but build from source... so I'll typically do a apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| [15:28:33] | tgm4883: | dist-upgrade can install new dependencies if required |
| [15:28:45] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: ahhh, I see, didn't realize that (after all these years) |
| [15:28:48] | CiaranG: | I've never found upgrade useful at all, I never run it |
| [15:29:08] | tgm4883: | CiaranG, you can get into trouble with dist-upgrade if you aren't careful |
| [15:29:31] | tgm4883: | particularly if you are running the dev version or have other repo's enabled |
| [15:29:44] | CiaranG: | Well I never have yet, but I don't mind a bit of trouble anyway |
| [15:29:59] | skd5aner: | CiaranG: says the man who was worried of upgrading to piss off the wife |
| [15:30:05] | CiaranG: | lol |
| [15:30:20] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, that may have been the little bit of trouble he was talking about ;) |
| [15:30:45] | skd5aner: | hey, if that's what spices up their relationship... I'm sure he's not the first be to interested in that kind of kink |
| [15:30:55] | skd5aner: | to each their own |
| [15:31:30] | CiaranG: | There is definitely no positive impact on the relationship that would follow from mythtv not working |
| [15:32:11] | CiaranG: | Most importantly, the children would not be kept occupied for long enough for my dinner to get cooked |
| [15:32:13] | skd5aner: | I know after I upgrade myth, I'm always anxious to show it off to the wife, but for some reason even though I read every commit that goes into something that took 18months of effort, I rarely know what to show off beyond a few key basics... so much work goes in under the covers. |
| [15:32:15] | CiaranG: | This is important stuff |
| [15:32:18] | ** wagnerrp still likes his configuration where everything is snapshotted and can be reverted to a previous state with only a few minutes notice ** | |
| [15:32:27] | skd5aner: | It's not "sexy" to show her that the scheduler is 4x more efficient :P |
| [15:33:24] | CiaranG: | So long as neighbours records and plays every day, she is happy. My ideal upgrade is one that she doesn't even know has happened. |
| [15:33:29] | seeker: | skd5aner: Ambilight implementation may get you some wife points |
| [15:33:33] | seeker: | :P |
| [15:33:38] | skd5aner: | "Oh, look honey – they spent a ton of time building an API that someone could then write an app against... cool huh?" |
| [15:33:40] | skd5aner: | ::crickets:: |
| [15:34:20] | skd5aner: | seeker: one day my friend – we're extremely budget strapped right now, and preparing for a move – so perhaps in about 8 months I'll be a little bit more ready to take it on |
| [15:34:25] | CiaranG: | About 7 years ago, I replaced the last remaining Windows machine in the house with Ubuntu. It was the only machine she really used, and she used it a lot. Her only comment, about 5 days later, was "why has the title bar gone brown?" |
| [15:34:26] | skd5aner: | definitely want to though |
| [15:34:54] | skd5aner: | CiaranG: 7 years, wow |
| [15:35:10] | skd5aner: | CiaranG: pretty impressive – so your whole family has been linux users ever since? |
| [15:36:21] | CiaranG: | Yep |
| [15:37:11] | CiaranG: | (although I have a windows VM on this laptop, required for work purposes) |
| [15:38:07] | wagnerrp: | user just posted his (not default 'mythtv') mysql password to trac |
| [15:38:42] | wagnerrp: | by "just", it was like two hours ago |
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| [15:44:01] | seeker: | skd5aner: Ah, fair enough :) |
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| [16:58:35] | CiaranG: | Seems to me that if you have a gigantic screen but a menu with only 6 options has to scroll to let you see them all, something has gone very wrong in the theme designer's brain ;) |
| [16:59:24] | quicksilver: | well depending how far away from screen you are, not much more may be readable |
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| [16:59:30] | quicksilver: | but 6 is probably a little low |
| [16:59:40] | quicksilver: | the XMB only shows 8 or so I think? |
| [16:59:48] | quicksilver: | and whilst the XMB sucks, you can bet Sony did their researhc |
| [16:59:51] | CiaranG: | Yeah, I guess that is also a consideration |
| [17:00:07] | CiaranG: | I am just complaining that none of the available themes are EXACTLY the theme I want ;) |
| [17:00:57] | EvilGuru: | CiaranG: Use the source, Luke |
| [17:01:33] | CiaranG: | Yeah, I've always resisted the urge to start tinkering with themes before, but maybe the time has come |
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| [17:13:43] | DonAlex: | Evening all. ok .. problems upgrading db from 1269 to 1299.. http://pastebin.com/PRXNDdyj Already tried dropping it and recreating it as LATIN 1 but still fails. |
| [17:13:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats a bad thing to do |
| [17:14:04] | DonAlex: | Any suggestions? |
| [17:14:18] | wagnerrp: | the only reason you might want to do something like that was difficulties around the UTF-8 conversion from 0.21 to 0.22 |
| [17:14:39] | DonAlex: | Well it was UTF8 anyway.. and I have been running .024 for ages.. |
| [17:14:50] | DonAlex: | just this last upgrade broke on that error |
| [17:15:25] | wagnerrp: | your XMLTV IDs are 1000 characters long? surely that is an error |
| [17:15:38] | wagnerrp: | !seen dekarl |
| [17:15:38] | MythLogBot: | dekarl was last seen 2 hours 25 minutes 4 seconds ago |
| [17:15:55] | DonAlex: | hmmm you mean from the data base? Not sure. could be an error I guess..lemme check |
| [17:16:29] | wagnerrp: | youre using radiotimes? |
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| [17:17:45] | DonAlex: | yes. |
| [17:18:29] | DonAlex: | Though I thought it picked up the xmltvid from the DVB scan no? |
| [17:19:53] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin the output of "SELECT chanid,channum,callsign,xmltvid FROM channel WHERE LENGTH(xmltvid) > 255;" |
| [17:20:13] | DonAlex: | sure 2 ticks |
| [17:20:48] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: Hmmm Empty set.. |
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| [17:21:45] | DonAlex: | Manually looking at the xmltvids can't see any that are bogus |
| [17:22:44] | wagnerrp: | any that contain fancy character? |
| [17:22:50] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: it is worth dumping all the channels and upgrading the db then rescanning for them? |
| [17:23:08] | wagnerrp: | only if you need to update right now |
| [17:23:11] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: no fancy ones no.. |
| [17:23:24] | wagnerrp: | i would expect this is a fairly simple fix for someone who actually knows what theyre doing |
| [17:23:39] | wagnerrp: | considering you dont have any that appear to be excessively long |
| [17:23:52] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: well caught between a rock and hard place ;) I had to rescan the channels anyway cause they turned off analgue yesterday.. and shuffled the others around |
| [17:24:10] | wagnerrp: | i ask about "fancy characters", as UTF can take as much as 4x the data as regular LATIN-1 |
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| [17:27:17] | DonAlex: | Yeah no fancy ones.. |
| [17:29:55] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: nope something is shafted here.. deleted all the xmltvid data and still barfs.. |
| [17:30:48] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: hmm using ALTER TABLE channel MODIFY xmltvid VARCHAR(200) NOT NULL DEFAULT ''; works though.. |
| [17:31:37] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: hmm using ALTER TABLE channel MODIFY xmltvid VARCHAR(245) NOT NULL DEFAULT ''; works too though.. |
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| [17:31:43] | wagnerrp: | OH! |
| [17:31:49] | wagnerrp: | KEY, not FIELD |
| [17:32:02] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: ahh? umm? |
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| [17:32:04] | wagnerrp: | right right... im surprised that hasnt failed for anyone else |
| [17:32:17] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: I just lucky I guess ;) |
| [17:32:33] | wagnerrp: | the xmltvid is being used as a key, and keys are only allowed to be 1000 bytes long |
| [17:32:49] | wagnerrp: | so a 255 character key could potentially be 1024 bytes |
| [17:32:58] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: I see.. is there required? |
| [17:33:03] | wagnerrp: | 255*4 + 4 (i think 4) |
| [17:33:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: more database stuff to look at ^^^^ |
| [17:33:31] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: yup I could get that.. but now that table is empty should it still be affected? |
| [17:34:01] | wagnerrp: | well if the table is empty, all of your recordings are now "orphaned" |
| [17:34:12] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no matching channel data for them, so some information will not display properly |
| [17:34:45] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: The channek table? oh yes.. but when I add the channels back again it is reset.. more or less ;) |
| [17:35:15] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: for now I am just stuck starting mythbackend because it wants to upgrae the Db and well.. here we are :) |
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| [17:40:51] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: Strange I don't see any key associated with xmltvid only the sourceid index ? |
| [17:42:13] | wagnerrp: | KEY sourceid (sourceid,xmltvid,chanid) |
| [17:42:44] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: Yes that is what I see.. oh the who key is made up of those 3 collumns? |
| [17:42:53] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [17:43:06] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: ouch.. I can see where the problem might be then.. |
| [17:43:25] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: need to check my chanid's I think. |
| [17:46:01] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: Wait that still does not make sense cause the table is empty.. how can anything add up to more than 1000? |
| [17:47:28] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter |
| [17:47:35] | wagnerrp: | the column can contain that data |
| [17:47:42] | wagnerrp: | so the key is not allowed |
| [17:51:12] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: ok breakdown. chanid int (10) xmltvid varchar (64) sourceid int (10) , that look alright? |
| [17:52:05] | wagnerrp: | no reason to truncate the ints, and you want the key to reference the entire xmltvid, in case those last couple characters actually happen to be the only ones that are different |
| [17:52:24] | wagnerrp: | however it does not make sense why no one else has had problems with that |
| [17:53:20] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: yeah well I am just lucky like I say.. you know at uni I used to be called Beta Boy because if anyone could find a bug or a flaw.. it would be me. |
| [17:54:27] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: if it helps it is a very legacy mythtv installation. :) going back ummm 8+ years now? |
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| [18:13:49] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: Crap this is turning out to be a bit of a pain.. might have to downgrade again.. |
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| [18:22:08] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: Ahh ok.. might have a solution.. edit the database backup and manually make the channel table latin1 |
| [18:22:23] | wagnerrp: | no, you do not want to use latin1 |
| [18:22:28] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: Yup seeems to work though. |
| [18:22:39] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: only the channel table.. |
| [18:23:18] | wagnerrp: | if anything, alter mythtv/libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp to only use a 240 character long xmltvid and recompile |
| [18:23:20] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: I looked at the dump and saw it set the tables to UTF8 not all. some are latin1 already but some are utf8 |
| [18:23:35] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: Either way it upgraded the schema with no more issues.. |
| [18:23:47] | wagnerrp: | or remove the key, let it update, shrink the column, and add the key back |
| [18:23:58] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to be using latin1 |
| [18:24:08] | wagnerrp: | as that is a potentially very disruptive change to the schema |
| [18:24:10] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: in the Channel table does it matter? |
| [18:24:36] | wagnerrp: | anywhere you have text, it matters |
| [18:25:06] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: The data in that one is just channel names and transport ids no? |
| [18:25:31] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: no meta data save the xmltvids and they should not be in utf8 anyway ? |
| [18:25:45] | wagnerrp: | in my case, its just an integer value |
| [18:25:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what kind of strings might be in use by various XMLTV grabbers |
| [18:27:12] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: for me it is just a dns name of sorts.. bbc1.bbc.co.uk |
| [18:29:01] | DonAlex: | Well dumping the channels and scanning again now anyway.. lets see what emerges.. :) |
| [18:29:46] | DonAlex: | S'only cause of the great Analogue switch off.. so at least won't need to do it again for a while.. |
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| [18:43:47] | DonAlex: | ok thanks all.. |
| [18:43:53] | DonAlex: | Later.. |
| [18:44:18] | DonAlex: | wagnerrp: Thanks to you too of course.. Appreciate your insights :) Later |
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| [18:56:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh... @ work – some of our developers in India are accessing a 150GB database that's hosted in the USA, and wondering why it's slow. Well, DUH! |
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| [19:28:06] | Vaska: | Hello – where would the large (1920x1080) wallpaper art for a TV series be stored? I have a background for the PBS Frontline show that I think is wrong, so I'm trying to track it down. |
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| [19:29:04] | wagnerrp: | in the folder you specified for the Coverart storage group in mythtv-setup |
| [19:29:26] | Vaska: | fair enough, thanks wagnerrp |
| [19:29:57] | wagnerrp: | there is no stock default (unless your distro created one) |
| [19:30:10] | wagnerrp: | if there is no folder defined there, it will fall back to whatever you have set as the Videos storage group |
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| [19:40:07] | Vaska: | Looks like PBS Frontline is being confused with the Australian TV series with the same name, is there a way to correct that from mythfrontend? |
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| [19:40:44] | wagnerrp: | set the inetref in the recording rule |
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| [19:48:36] | Vaska: | wagnerrp: with the 'm' key when on the recording rule in mythfrontend? or in MythWeb? |
| [19:48:52] | wagnerrp: | either will do |
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| [19:51:51] | Vaska: | wagnerrp: is the Internet Reference # pulled from IMDB, or TMDB or some other source? |
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| [19:53:01] | wagnerrp: | thetvdb.com |
| [19:53:26] | Vaska: | thanks |
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| [20:46:39] | mlg9000: | Is there a way to add new videos with mythmetadatalookup like you could with jamu? |
| [20:46:48] | mlg9000: | i.e. not have to scan for changed in a frontend |
| [20:48:08] | wagnerrp: | there is a scanner in the backend, but that is more intended for use by users who do not use the frontend at all, and only access content through the upnp server |
| [20:48:37] | wagnerrp: | the upnp server previously ran its own scan for content every 30 minutes, however in 0.25, it pulls content out of the video library tables |
| [20:49:46] | mlg9000: | there is nothing in 0.25 to do this through a command like anymore? |
| [20:49:50] | mlg9000: | line* |
| [20:50:16] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can trigger the scan in the backend |
| [20:50:42] | wagnerrp: | but there is little sense to it unless you only access the content through upnp |
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| [20:51:37] | fugg: | hello, where are the symlinks for mythweb supposed to be ? |
| [20:52:02] | wagnerrp: | when you rip a new DVD/Bluray, the 15 seconds it takes to pop open a frontend and issue a scan is pretty irrelevant compared to the several minutes it took to set up the rip, much less actually perform it |
| [20:52:22] | wagnerrp: | if youre migrating recordings, use something like mythvidexport.py that inserts them directly |
| [20:52:38] | mlg9000: | I really don't use upnp at all, since frankly it sucks.. I'm just looking to automate adding videos like I had working previously so that you don't have to go through the frontend menu every time to do it |
| [20:52:48] | wagnerrp: | if you are using some external service like miro for content, mirobridge similarly inserts the content directly into the database |
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| [20:53:45] | wagnerrp: | what im getting at is that the process of scanning should take very little time compared to whatever actions you did to actually get the content |
| [20:54:08] | wagnerrp: | and if it was an automated process that required no actions on your part, make that automated process add the new content itself |
| [20:54:41] | wagnerrp: | fugg: symlinks? |
| [20:54:42] | mlg9000: | Really you shouldn't have to scan at all.. Myth should do that for you every time you go into videos |
| [20:55:29] | wagnerrp: | why spend the time scanning through a large library every single time you open it if nothing has changed? |
| [20:56:01] | mlg9000: | because the user experience sucks going through a menu to do it |
| [20:56:02] | fugg: | wagnerrp, yes, i remember there were a bunch of it pointing mythweb to some dir for video and the like....... |
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| [20:56:15] | mlg9000: | is my wife going to know to do that... no |
| [20:56:45] | wagnerrp: | mlg9000: and the user experience is going to suck more if you add a long delay to entering the video library because you forced a scan |
| [20:57:03] | fugg: | wagnerrp, i guess i found it, was probably below /var/www/mythweb/data |
| [20:57:07] | wagnerrp: | ideally, the backend will manage all of this stuff |
| [20:57:09] | mlg9000: | then do it in the background then update |
| [20:57:19] | wagnerrp: | but thats not going to happen until the local folders are removed entirely |
| [20:57:56] | mlg9000: | so there is nothing that can do new video db inserts in the DB like jamu then? |
| [20:58:10] | wagnerrp: | fugg: recordings havent used that in several versions, and the video library support in mythweb should be considered broken |
| [20:58:26] | mlg9000: | I'm not sure how upnp comes into play here.. unless that scans every time |
| [20:58:29] | wagnerrp: | mlg9000: yes, as ive said multiple times, use the utility application to trigger a scan in the backend |
| [20:58:59] | fugg: | wagnerrp, aha |
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| [20:59:23] | wagnerrp: | UPNP comes into play as that command line scan function was added to allow users who only access content over UPNP to make the scan periodically occur as it used to |
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| [21:01:16] | mlg9000: | ok.. 2nd question.. anyone know why metadatalookup might be grabbing crappy rated artwork over higher rated images at thetvdb.org? |
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| [21:03:07] | wagnerrp: | dont know about that one, im uncertain of its selection process off hand |
| [21:05:13] | mlg9000: | it also doesn't seem to grab artwork for videos |
| [21:05:32] | wagnerrp: | well, not exactly |
| [21:05:50] | wagnerrp: | the task you run through the UI, and the task that gets run automatically through the jobqueue, do not grab artwork |
| [21:05:54] | wagnerrp: | they only grab the text content |
| [21:06:20] | wagnerrp: | artwork gets downloaded once daily, by calling that application with different parameters |
| [21:06:42] | mlg9000: | any idea what the parameters are? |
| [21:06:45] | wagnerrp: | all covered here... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordings_with_Metadata_Lookup |
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| [21:07:37] | wagnerrp: | you want item 7, near the bottom |
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| [21:09:14] | mlg9000: | Yeah I saw that.. it seems to work fine for recordings (minus the poor artwork choices).. videos not at all though |
| [21:09:26] | wagnerrp: | it is only for recordings |
| [21:09:41] | mlg9000: | ok, that's what I was getting at |
| [21:09:58] | mlg9000: | so what does video meta data? |
| [21:09:59] | wagnerrp: | the video library optionally runs a similar process, all in one step, when you scan for content |
| [21:10:15] | wagnerrp: | or you can manually trigger the bulk update from the ui |
| [21:10:34] | wagnerrp: | or you can individually trigger a single video with 'w', or through the ui menu |
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| [21:11:32] | mlg9000: | what happens when there are multiple results? That might be the issue why it did not load any artwork until done manually for the video's I tested |
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| [21:12:09] | wagnerrp: | if you have multiple results from the bulk scanner, it skips that video |
| [21:12:26] | wagnerrp: | if you have multiple results from an individual lookup, it raises a popup and asks what you want to do |
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| [21:12:56] | mlg9000: | any options to manually select one from a cli.. like jamu? |
| [21:13:36] | mlg9000: | or just tell it to pick the first result at least? |
| [21:13:46] | wagnerrp: | you could whip something up with a few dozen lines in the python bindings |
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| [21:18:59] | mlg9000: | the api looks like it might be able to do that too? |
| [21:20:54] | wagnerrp: | i do not believe the API has any "push" methods for metadata at this time |
| [21:21:09] | wagnerrp: | youre referring to the new Services API, right? |
| [21:21:23] | mlg9000: | yes |
| [21:22:04] | wagnerrp: | i would have to look through the code to confirm, but at least according to the wiki, you can add a new filename, you can delete an existing ID, but everything else are just gets |
| [21:22:12] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Video_Service |
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| [21:24:48] | mlg9000: | LookupVideo is what I saw.. but yeah I don't see an option to update meta data |
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| [21:54:34] | wagnerrp: | mlg9000: few dozen lines in the python bindings... http://pastebin.com/3UgucPxZ |
| [21:54:41] | wagnerrp: | should work, but is completely untested |
| [21:54:44] | ** wagnerrp heads to dinner ** | |
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| [23:27:03] | jm|laptop: | is there anything helpful in the database to let me know that a channel is a radio channel? |
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| [23:43:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: was he using MySQL 6 or something? In MySQL 5.0 and below, utf8 = 3-byte (which means total of 773B for sourceid index). In 5.5, utf8 = 3-byte and utf8mb3 is an alias for utf8 and utf8mb4 = 4 byte, so unless he's using some version for which I have no docs or he's somehow remapped utf8 to utf8mb4, the error he's seeing is impossible |
| [23:43:42] | sphery: | (or he changed our code to use utf8mb4) |
| [23:43:48] | wagnerrp: | he left... ive got nothing |
| [23:43:59] | sphery: | hmmm... maybe he'll show up on list so I can grill him |
| [23:44:06] | sphery: | thanks for pointing it out, though |
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| [23:46:12] | sphery: | skd5aner: thanks for the link... As you know, I'm very interested in T-Mobile matters. :) |
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