Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, April 13th, 2012, 00:06 UTC

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Twiggy2cents:

arg puhhhleeeze!! I need some help ;)

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skd5aner:

crashes, as in segfault?

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Twiggy2cents:

look at the log. It just stops, if it does segfault it doesnt tell me.

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skd5aner:

does mythfrontend appear to actually exit?

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skd5aner:

like – "crash"?

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Twiggy2cents:

yes I hit play and it says waiting for about a sec then poof mythfrontend is gone.

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skd5aner:

do you know how to get a backtrace?

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skd5aner:

also, are you running a myth distro?

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Twiggy2cents:

I am running fedora

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skd5aner:

mythdora, or fedora and compiling yourself?

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Twiggy2cents:

fedora and packaged by atrpms

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Twiggy2cents:

And no I dont know how to run a backtrace

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skd5aner:

can you do me a favor and do a mythfrontend --version and put in a pastebin please?

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Twiggy2cents:

yep

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Twiggy2cents:

http://pastebin.com/5gTq0cwx

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skd5aner:

well, a couple things...

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skd5aner:

1) you're using a pre-release version 0.25...

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TheAsp:

So myth decided to recored for 8+ hours last night....

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skd5aner:

and 2) your packager built it as "release" instead of profile, so you can't get a good backtrace without some extra steps :/

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Twiggy2cents:

It says it was compiled on april 7, I know that was before the release date but do you think it changed that much?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp, sphery, Beirdo: why does the --version output no longer include the commit hash?

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: yea, several blocker bugs – not sure if one of them is related or not, but...

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: many of them related to crashes associated with trying to watch live tv

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: give me a moment

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Twiggy2cents:

Okay

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: you probably need to run the following command from here, so you can have a debug/profile enabled build: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Installi . . . rom_Packages

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america:

where are the transcoder options in .25

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: which version of fedora?

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Twiggy2cents:

15

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skd5aner:

k... i looks like the atrpms for 16 has the release version, for 15 it's a few days before release

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skd5aner:

well, that's not even correct

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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skd5aner:

they're both pre-release versions... but, doesn't matter – can you see if those commands referenced in the wiki work for you?

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skd5aner:

my only fear is that it could be a bug already fixed, I just don't know

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Twiggy2cents:

I think I have to have the repo before I can enable it right?

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america:

im getting Transcode (Errored: Thu Apr 12, 2012, 07:29 PM) Unrecoverable error

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america:

from mythweb

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Twiggy2cents:

ah I found it

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Twiggy2cents:

hang on

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skd5aner:

Um... I have no idea – it's been since 2004 since I've touched red hat, so I don't know anything about it or fedora

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Twiggy2cents:

I just found it on their dl server

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skd5aner:

I thought you said you already installed mythtv via the atrpms repo?

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america:

also, can why did it split my recording into two files?

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america:

-can

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: x84_64?

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Twiggy2cents:

yes

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skd5aner:

I'm guessing this is it? http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/1 . . . _64.rpm.html

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Twiggy2cents:

http://dl.atrpms.net/debug/f15-x86_64/atrpms/testing/

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Twiggy2cents:

http://pastebin.com/AyiVKFgV

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Twiggy2cents:

I get that when trying to install

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skd5aner:

heh – sorry... I have no idea about yum or fedora... I could help a little more on ubuntu, but I actually compile from scratch, so :/

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skd5aner:

I wish the packagers would just enabled profile builds by default, I thought they were going to start doing that, and in fact I think that the configure file was set to do that by default in 0.25, which means the packagers would have had to undo that on purpose :P

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Twiggy2cents:

It looks like it is having problems finding a bunch of dependencies correct?

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skd5aner:

yea, appears that way

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: it does

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skd5aner:

mine doesn't?

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Beirdo:

it shows tag-commitcount-hash

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skd5aner:

MythTV Version : v0.25

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Beirdo:

if it doesn't have the last two it's because you are right dead smack on the tag

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Beirdo:

which is quite rare :)

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skd5aner:

huh?

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Beirdo:

that means you are on v0.25-0-whatever

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Beirdo:

0 commits since the tag

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents's --version didn't either – http://pastebin.com/5gTq0cwx

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Beirdo:

the tag in and of itself is enough to uniquely identify the version

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Beirdo:

it will only be of that form when you are running the release tag itself

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

next update, it will be v0.25-#-sha1 again

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Beirdo:

assuming you stay on fixes/0.25

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skd5aner:

how do I check which git pull I have?

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Beirdo:

?

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skd5aner:

checkout

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skd5aner:

whatever it's called

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Beirdo:

git log

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Beirdo:

git status

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Beirdo:

not sure what you are trying to find

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skd5aner:

I'm trying to figure out if what you are saying is the case or not

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Beirdo:

git describe is what we use for the version

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skd5aner:

git status

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skd5aner:

# On branch fixes/0.25

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Beirdo:

right

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skd5aner:

git describe

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skd5aner:

v0.25

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skd5aner:

so, I must be on 0 as you say then

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Beirdo:

in git log, the first commit shown is 1f5962a8

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Beirdo:

right?

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skd5aner:

in the svn days, I coudl type svn info and it would tell me which r number I was on... but I can only do that in git log now?

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skd5aner:

yea, that's the one at the top of the output

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Beirdo:

right

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Beirdo:

svn is linear

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Beirdo:

git is not ;)

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Beirdo:

git is a tree-based setup

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Beirdo:

(which is why merging is so dang simple)

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Beirdo:

the downside is that you can get to some commits from multiple branches and it confuses people at times

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skd5aner:

so why was twiggy's missing a version number that containted cout and hash?

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Beirdo:

I dunno, what was it?

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skd5aner:

because I don't believe it was release

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skd5aner:

check the pastebin I posted at :08

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Beirdo:

that's right at the tag 0.25pre

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Twiggy2cents:

I am horrible at compiling from source, no experience, but I am going to try it out

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Beirdo:

which is ancient

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Beirdo:

or his tags are all messeg up

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/513294

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Beirdo:

or someone messed with a script ;)

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Beirdo:

git describe

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Beirdo:

actually, we use git described --dirty

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Beirdo:

err git describe --dirty

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Beirdo:

I can't type today it seems

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: if you do go that route, make sure you uninstall all your old libraries first

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Twiggy2cents:

I did

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Beirdo:

ah crap, forgot to bring home batteries again

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: he's leveraging some version packaged on atrpms

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skd5aner:

anyway – I'm outta here, later

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Beirdo:

then atrpms likely buggered it up

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wagnerrp:

hahahahahaha

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Beirdo:

v0.25pre (the real tag) is Oct 18 2010

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wagnerrp:

some guy is complaining on the TMDB API support forums that XBMC is failing to look up data for certain movie

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

completely off topic, because he is having a problem with the XBMC grabber, not the API

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wagnerrp:

but thats besides the point

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Beirdo:

Oh yeah, now I have time to play with email format.

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wagnerrp:

the problem it is failing is because their grabber does not do anything with the 'adult' flag in the search, causing it to default to false, thus filtering out his searches

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wagnerrp:

the movies in question were 1970s dutch porn

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Beirdo:

hahahahah

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wagnerrp:

now sure, everyone is free to their own tastes... but '70s dutch porn is pretty damn esoteric

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Beirdo:

I guess his spank bank is loaded with it

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if im more surprised that its even on TMDB in the first place, or that their IDs are <30k

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wagnerrp:

that means someone had to create them years ago

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Beirdo:

Hmmmmmm

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wagnerrp:

searching for some vintage dutch on dutch action?

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

trying to determin *if* we can put the committer's info in the subject of the email

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Beirdo:

so far, no

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Beirdo:

because the committer is *per commit* not *per push*

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wagnerrp:

make the emails per commit?

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wagnerrp:

githubs were

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Beirdo:

githubs were crap

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Beirdo:

and the way we get hooks is per push

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Beirdo:

so it would require significant rework

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Beirdo:

and would also cause a lot more email :)

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Beirdo:

but it is an option

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wagnerrp:

well to be fair, ours are no great shakes

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wagnerrp:

why would it be a lot more email?

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wagnerrp:

just have it squelch out merges

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Beirdo:

no, squelching merges is pointless

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wagnerrp:

that reminds me, i want to put together some sort of API for accessing git data similar to how github operated

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wagnerrp:

but with the data i actually want for use with the ebuild generator

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wagnerrp:

would it be better to operate directly off the repo? or use the hooks to update some independent database?

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Beirdo:

hmmm, not sure

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wagnerrp:

storing and pulling it from mysql would likely be faster, but may be inaccurate if things are missed like they were with github

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Beirdo:

well, we'll have local access to the repo

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Beirdo:

so whether you do it by cronjob or in a hook, I guess the results are similar

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Beirdo:

might be easier in a hook

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Twiggy2cents:

Should I be using options when I configure?

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wagnerrp:

faster by hook, i could always do periodic rescans through cron to ensure integrity

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: anything between '' and '--enable-proc-opts'

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Twiggy2cents:

huh

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Beirdo:

Aaarch

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Beirdo:

Twiggy2cents: you are using the tarball, right? :)

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Twiggy2cents:

I am talking about compiling from source btw. git clone of fixes

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Beirdo:

our release script needs a fix.

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: there go people on the mailing list for gentoo ebuilds

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Twiggy2cents:

so is that a no, I am kind of confused

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wagnerrp:

guess i better get that API running, and the ebuild generator to use it

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** Twiggy2cents is in semi new territory with this whole source stuff **

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: completely independent chatter

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wagnerrp:

when most people try to start using source

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wagnerrp:

they make the mistake of using the source tarball

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wagnerrp:

rather than git

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: also... trac stuff

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I need to fix the tarball :(

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Twiggy2cents:

so back to my question :) a typical install doesnt need any options for configure?

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Beirdo:

VERSION file needs tweaking

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wagnerrp:

any pointers on the hook for that?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: it's using the standard trac hook

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: either no options, or '--enable-proc-opts'

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Twiggy2cents:

okay

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Twiggy2cents:

what is proc-opts?

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wagnerrp:

if it doesnt work, then you can go from there

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wagnerrp:

it allows the configure script to automatically detect and optimize itself for your current processor

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Beirdo:

it's working fine, but we need to add in the changing of the milestone on close

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Twiggy2cents:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

ok, so the git part is in place just fine

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wagnerrp:

i just need to edit the trac part in how it deals with it?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Twiggy2cents:

so when it is all installed, for updating do I just do a pull and then make make install? Or do you have to re configure?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Beirdo:

you'd need (sometimes) make distclean

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Beirdo:

then ./configure ; make ; make install

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Twiggy2cents:

Why sometimes? if I run into errors compiling?

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Beirdo:

if the ABI has changed, yeah

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Beirdo:

I will be fixing the release script shortly, and posting fixed tarballs

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Beirdo:

it should show v0.25

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cerise4096:

What's the best way to diagnose: "SignalMonitor: channel change failed"?

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Twiggy2cents:

Well I am running the make command now. I imagine this will take a little while. Previously building from source had always failed for me due to not knowing how to track down what dependencies there were.

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Beirdo:

but VERSION file is used when not from git, and it didn't get updated by our #$(*$% script

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: im going to make a local fork of TracGit... where do you want it put?

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Twiggy2cents:

Is it bad that I assume large blocks of text mean errors? That is the only time I see them!

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wagnerrp:

/opt/git?

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Beirdo:

umm, as a repo?

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Beirdo:

sure, /opt/git should work, I think

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wagnerrp:

just one that exists on the server

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wagnerrp:

doesnt need to become public

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Beirdo:

or your homedir works if you want

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wagnerrp:

id rather it be somewhere typically accessible

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wagnerrp:

not my homedir

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Beirdo:

/opt/git should do well

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Beirdo:

OK, tarball fixed

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Beirdo:

and md5sum updated to follow

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cerise4096:

Ok — stranger bit with the "SignalMonitor: channel change failed"

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cerise4096:

when I run mythtv-setup, I can scan channels fine in Video Sources.

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cerise4096:

So why can't the backend do it?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps your timeouts need to be increased

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cerise4096:

Can do, I suppose. Is there a better way to figure it out than randomly tweaking parameters?

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Twiggy2cents:

I get this after compiling and installing mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.25.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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cerise4096:

Twiggy2cents: Probably one of the plugins.

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cerise4096:

I'm going to guess mythmusic — because that's what gave me the problem when I upgraded to .25

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wagnerrp:

plugins are compiled and installed independently of mythtv

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cerise4096:

They sure are.

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, the problem was in mythfrontend

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cerise4096:

Actually, he didn't say that. He said "after compiling and installing".

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wagnerrp:

well you dont compile and install mythfrontend, you compile and install mythtv as a whole

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wagnerrp:

frontend, backend, -setup, and half a dozen other applications, all at once

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cerise4096:

I'm not going to argue with you about it. I'm just going to tell you that when I did that earlier today — with Gentoo — I ran into that problem because the mythmusic plugin wasn't upgraded.

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Twiggy2cents:

Just in case although wagnerrp I think you understand me. "I get this after compiling and installing, mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.25.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory " This happens and mythtv doesnt load. I dont have the lib in /usr/lib. Is there anywhere else it would be?

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wagnerrp:

oh, this is after you installed, and youre trying to run the executable?

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Twiggy2cents:

yes

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wagnerrp:

default prefix for mythtv is /usr/local

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wagnerrp:

meaning the libraries are in /usr/local/lib

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Twiggy2cents:

oh

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wagnerrp:

sounds like your system is not configured to search there for shared libraries

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Twiggy2cents:

Yeah I dont think that is in my path

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Twiggy2cents:

it is only mythtv libs in there

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Twiggy2cents:

do I add that to $PATH?

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cerise4096:

You probably need to add the path into /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig

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cerise4096:

alternatively, make a separate file for it in ld.so.conf.d and run ldconfig.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the first

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** Beirdo yawns... OK back to email format **

[02:31:17]

Twiggy2cents:

Okay fixed that, now I am having an issue with it not connecting to the backend

[02:33:17]

Twiggy2cents:

I was supposed to be root when doing compiling and installing right?

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wagnerrp:

installing... yes

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wagnerrp:

compiling... doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

its generally advised against, as you should be doing as little as possible as root

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Twiggy2cents:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

but in the scheme of things, it really doesnt make much difference

[02:38:34]

Twiggy2cents:

Okay so maybe one last thing. My prepackaged mythtv that doesnt work right will connect to the backend. My compiled mythtv will not. Their mysql.txt's are identical.

[02:38:55]

Twiggy2cents:

The network is up btw, I am doing this over ssh

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wagnerrp:

different host?

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Twiggy2cents:

Ehh? Their hostnames are different

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wagnerrp:

perhaps mysql is not configured to allow that host permission?

[02:41:25]

Twiggy2cents:

They are both connecting to the same backend. mysql is configured to allow everybody. It worked with .24

[02:42:49]

Twiggy2cents:

2012-04–12 21:40:30.055993 I Binding to UDP 192.168.1.146:0 this is in the frontend log.

[02:43:39]

Twiggy2cents:

It tries binding to 127.... that ip which is its own 0:0:0.... and 192.168.1.255:0

[02:43:41]

wagnerrp:

ive seen that before

[02:44:09]

wagnerrp:

were getting a bad default mythmessage port somewhere...

[02:45:07]

Twiggy2cents:

So what do I do?

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wagnerrp:

ignore it, that only matters for mythmessage

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Twiggy2cents:

okay so what about this then, 2012-04–12 21:44:55.632420 E MSqlDatabase::OpenDatabase(), db object is not valid!

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Twiggy2cents:

Should I worry about that?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, not my area

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, I was missing qt-mysql

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Twiggy2cents:

doh!

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that would do it

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strathegm1:

Why wouldn't I have a Respositories tab in MCC? Should I just add the mythbuntu-repos package?

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strathegm1:

Looking for safest way to upgrade to .25

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wagnerrp:

perhaps something for #ubuntu-mythtv

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Twiggy2cents:

Okay, I have no audio devices in mythtv. Is there anything boneheaded that I coudl be missing? I only have the null device.

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strathegm1:

Twiggy2cents: you hit the scan button first I assume?

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Twiggy2cents:

yes

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strathegm1:

what does aplay -l give you in cnosole?

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Twiggy2cents:

my cards. I just switched from a packed .24 to a .25 from source

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Twiggy2cents:

Sound worked fine before

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strathegm1:

Ah can't help ya there. I'm trying to get to .25 myself

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strathegm1:

hopefully using mythbuntu repos

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Twiggy2cents:

I have my backend running off of a mythbuntu repo build

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grayhane:

If I only want to use mythtv for audio files, can I set it up without a video capture card for now ?

[03:38:40]

strathegm1:

grayhane: yes

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Twiggy2cents:

Audio output device is set to an ALSA device but ALSA support is not compiled in

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grayhane:

strathegm1: great, thanks, for now I just want to run audio from the computer via spdif and a DAC to my stereo.

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grayhane:

Will a Logitech remote work for control ?

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strathegm1:

grayhane: you can check on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/

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strathegm1:

depending on model – you can find config scripts for it

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strathegm1:

I used Xmodmap for my Gyration remote

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grayhane:

great, thanks, I thought I would just use the keyboard to teach the keys to the remote

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strathegm1:

is it a harmony 880?

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grayhane:

strathegm1: it is a harmony 300

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strathegm1:

Do you have an IR receiver?

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strathegm1:

If you're going to do IR, most likely need to configure LIRC.

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strathegm1:

don't think that remote is USB.

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tlhiv_laptop:

skd5aner: after this stupidity of intentionally omitting directory tree playing in MythMusic, i see no need for 0.25

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grayhane:

strathegm1: No I do not have lirc yet, I was using a keyboard for initial testing and figured I might be able to use the 300 to mimic the keyboard storkes for now.

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grayhane:

this is all on a rather tight budget, I do have abuot 185 gigs of music just waiting to go .

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strathegm1:

tlhiv_laptop: I saw they re-did mythmusic. A major change not to your liking?

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Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

email format has been changed

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tlhiv_laptop:

strathegm1: evidently the ability to play entire albums without creating playlists by simply browsing via a directory structure was omitted intentionally due to someone getting offended that the request insulted the work that was being done

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tlhiv_laptop:

i have no idea whether this is true ... i was just told that in here today

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strathegm1:

hm – hopefully they don't remove that capability for MythVideo

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tlhiv_laptop:

i have no desire in creating individual playlists for each of my many albums

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strathegm1:

That's the only way I browse Videos

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tlhiv_laptop:

that's the only way i browse videos and music

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strathegm1:

I don't use the Music plugin much

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Beirdo:

mythmusic is still a work in progress

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tlhiv_laptop:

and pictures for that matter

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strathegm1:

Never thought it was done wel

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Beirdo:

the developer who was working on it has moved on, so it might be a bit of time before we get ramped up on changing it

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strathegm1:

There are things that really irk me about MythVideo. Like just being able to sort by the file last modified date/time

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strathegm1:

If you use that stupid grouping on Date – it just lists them by when they were last added to the database. And it doesn't even sort the dates correctly.

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Beirdo:

patches are a good thing :)

[03:57:06]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: how do you like the emails now?

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tlhiv_laptop:

Beirdo: is there no developer for mythmusic now?

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Beirdo:

correct.

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tlhiv_laptop:

sound more like "dead" than "work in progress" :-)

[04:03:50]

Beirdo:

meh

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Beirdo:

he decided to move on... about 3 weeks ago

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Beirdo:

I'm sure it will get picked up and worked on

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tlhiv_laptop:

great

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Beirdo:

such is life on an open source project

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: it would appear there is no longer any commit hook

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Beirdo:

huh?

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Beirdo:

in trac?

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wagnerrp:

that thing you added pushes the change into trac

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wagnerrp:

but there is not actually anything in trac configured to handle that change

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Beirdo:

yes there is

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Beirdo:

one sec

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wagnerrp:

http://trac.edgewall.org/attachement/ticket/7 . . . t_update2.py is an example of a script that implements the trac-side hook

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wagnerrp:

specifically, IRepositoryChangeListener

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wagnerrp:

but grepping through the installed trac source, i dont see anything existing that performs that task

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Beirdo:

/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/tracopt/ticket/commit_updater.py

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wagnerrp:

so the git hook pushes the data into trac, and it just die

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wagnerrp:

s

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Beirdo:

no it doesn't :) they moved it around

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wagnerrp:

ohhh... i was looking in site-packages/trac

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's too logical :)

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wagnerrp:

well i disabled commit_ticket_update_check_perms, which would have otherwise blocked all changes so far

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wagnerrp:

and then theres http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/7301

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Beirdo:

changes have been happening

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Beirdo:

just not the customizations you'd added on the previous setup

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wagnerrp:

have they? got an example ticket?

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Beirdo:

sure

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Beirdo:

one sec

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Beirdo:

#9213

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9213 **

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[04:24:10]

Beirdo:

it updated 69min ago with the hook

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Beirdo:

and we're running multi-repo now too, in case you'd missed that :)

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wagnerrp:

i saw that

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wagnerrp:

i was actually reading through the docs and was about to suggest that

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wagnerrp:

so... should i edit this one in place, or should i make it a separate plugin...

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Beirdo:

heh. separate would likely be easier to maintain over upgrades, I'd think

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Beirdo:

but is likely more effort up front

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wagnerrp:

well... i just rename it, change the option names, and disable the in-tree version

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wagnerrp:

not a whole lot more effort

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** wagnerrp gets to it **

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Twiggy2cents:

Heh 3rd time compiling is a charm! First it was missing audio, fixed that, next it was missing vdpau, fixed that and hopefully it will be correct after that!

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Beirdo:

you're leaving the normal one in place right?

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Beirdo:

and then just basing a new one off it or something?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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Beirdo:

cool. :)

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wagnerrp:

extras got rebased right?

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wagnerrp:

i guess ill just scrap and reclone that one

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

oh, and the main trac pages needs new git links

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Beirdo:

it got the buildbot config ripped out

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

new git links?

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wagnerrp:

they still reference github

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Beirdo:

it looks fine

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Beirdo:

that's for anonymous access (pull-only) not dev

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wagnerrp:

oh, the code.mythtv.org repo is dev access only?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

it's controlled by ssh keys, and only devs (and buildbot slaves) have ssh keys in there

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Beirdo:

this way we get the hook control we want, but the world can still pull from github rather than our bandwidth :)

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wagnerrp:

seems new-workdir doesnt work on bare repos

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wagnerrp:

but one with no checkout works fine

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Beirdo:

?

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wagnerrp:

so its not taking up space while i use separate folders mapped to different branches

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Beirdo:

WTH is new-workdir?

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Beirdo:

not standard git that I've ever seen

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wagnerrp:

no, its not

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wagnerrp:

hardlinks the .git to one in another folder

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Beirdo:

ohh

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wagnerrp:

and checks out a new version

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wagnerrp:

allows you to have multiple working versions with a single clone

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wagnerrp:

rather than having to stash/commit any time you want to switch between them

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Beirdo:

which I've never had the desire for :)

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Beirdo:

yeah, I could see that being useful for that case

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wagnerrp:

lets me have different folders for the various fixes and feature branches

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Beirdo:

with checkout being as fast as it is, it's never been a priority for me

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wagnerrp:

fast yes... but it doesnt handle untracked files well

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

true

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wagnerrp:

and uncommitted changes even worse

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Beirdo:

well, I also don't usually hop around branches as often as some like to, I guess

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but stash is my friend, so...

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** wagnerrp hates stash **

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wagnerrp:

ive got like 15 stashes in there from god knows when

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Beirdo:

you keep outta my stash!

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wagnerrp:

one of these days, im going to have to go through those and figure out what they actually are

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I have to do that with old topic branches once in a while

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Beirdo:

10pm and it feels like midnight

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wagnerrp:

feels like 1am to me

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I think I'll go to bed

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wagnerrp:

hah... i forgot all about #9464

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9464 **

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

if someone REALLY feels like backporting it, they are free to, but jeez

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Beirdo:

it was reported on 0.25pre

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Beirdo:

reopening it right as we are releasing 0.25 to say "backport please" essentially. Pfft.

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Beirdo:

anyways, NOW I go to bed

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wagnerrp:

hang on

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Beirdo:

oook

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Beirdo:

whazzup?

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wagnerrp:

im trying to figure out if its possible this thing could be updating code from multiple branches simultaneously

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wagnerrp:

certainly you can push multiples

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wagnerrp:

but im not sure if it would filter through to this callback with more than one at a time

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, ill figure it out

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wagnerrp:

night

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Beirdo:

I beleive it will split it into several notifications by branch

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Beirdo:

night

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

theres just the one singleton instance of the main class

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wagnerrp:

and it gets called with various options

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trapicki:

Good morning! Does have EPG/EIT scans have any limits in time they look ahead? My EPG is only for the next 5 days, which is not very comfortable when checking recordng rules for weekly shows. I'm not sure if the channels provide more than 5 days of EGB, though.

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wagnerrp:

no, only what your provider broadcasts

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dekarl:

trapicki: the EIT has a technical limit at around 64 days IIRC, you should get between 28 days worth of EIT for german public tv stations and ~4 days for german private TV stations

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dekarl:

some stations don't send EIT at all, though

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dekarl:

trapicki: if you are looking for ORF data I may have some to share

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ServerSage:

Is there a wiki how-to for http streaming? Or is it dirt simple and I'm just completely missing something?

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partoj:

ServerSage: Can you elaborate, what is it you want to accomplish?

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ServerSage:

I would like to stream video over the intertubes. So when I'm on my laptop traveling I can stream to it.

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partoj:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Stream_mythtv_reco . . . _flash_video ?

[08:27:06]

ServerSage:

I was under the impression myth now supported something other than flash. And that page hasn't been updated since november, and states at the top that it may be out of date for 0.25.

[08:34:52]

partoj:

Well, if bandwidth is not an issue I guess you could run a client on your laptop and then create a vpn connection home

[08:35:49]

ServerSage:

partoj: Ummm, terrible idea.

[08:35:53]

quicksilver:

you're right that mythtv has its own streaming in 0.25, ServerSage

[08:36:17]

quicksilver:

it's still your problem how to work out a way to give your laptop HTTP access to your myth box without exposing it to the whole world

[08:36:22]

quicksilver:

but there are a number of ways to do that.

[08:36:36]

ServerSage:

quicksilver: Thats the easy part, I have no idea how to get at the stream stuff though.

[08:37:04]

ServerSage:

quicksilver: Is it simply the mythserver:6544/ -> API ->Examples -> HTTP Live Streaming?

[08:37:14]

ServerSage:

quicksilver: Or is there a better way?

[08:37:25]

quicksilver:

I don't know. I haven't played wiht 0.25 yet.

[08:37:30]

quicksilver:

just read about it in the release notes.

[08:40:25]

partoj:

Ah, apologies for my incorrect answer then

[08:40:35]

partoj:

Could this be something? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Content_Service#GetLiveStream

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ServerSage:

partoj: Do you know how long I searched and couldn't find that? lol

[08:45:45]

partoj:

ServerSage: :)

[08:45:47]

ServerSage:

partoj: Thanks, this will at least get me going to write my own.

[08:46:46]

partoj:

ServerSage: Good luck!

[08:48:00]

partoj:

Hm, seems you might have to AddLiveStream/AddRecordingLiveStream first

[08:48:07]

quicksilver:

yes, definitely

[08:48:16]

quicksilver:

I wonder if any clients/example code exist for the content API yet

[08:48:34]

partoj:

yeah

[08:48:57]

partoj:

It would be nice to have in mythweb, so that just clicking a link does all that for you

[08:49:03]

ServerSage:

They do, if you go to SERVERIP:6544

[08:49:17]

ServerSage:

partoj: Thats exactly what I have in mind.

[08:50:10]

ServerSage:

Wow, mythtranscode certainly can bring a machine to it's knees though.

[08:54:18]

ServerSage:

Interesting, it stores the transcoded streams in ~/.mythtv/tmp/hls/

[08:57:11]

partoj:

ServerSage: that should be configurable

[08:57:29]

ServerSage:

partoj: Probably, I've only given it a cursory glance. I'm at work.

[08:58:01]

partoj:

ServerSage: Can you start streaming before the entire recording is transcoded?

[08:59:00]

ServerSage:

partoj: Yup.

[08:59:15]

partoj:

Nice

[08:59:30]

ServerSage:

I was able to start streaming when the transcode hit about 2% done. But, I have one hell of a fast server, so ymmv.

[09:00:10]

partoj:

yeah, as you said, video transconding is a heavy task

[09:00:55]

ServerSage:

Indeed. This is slick though, way, way, way better than the old flash streaming through mythweb was in 0.24.

[09:02:23]

partoj:

Would also be cool to allow for variable bitrate, i.e. the larger your bandwidth, the greater the bitrate

[09:02:43]

ServerSage:

partoj: You have to select the bitrate and resolution when you create the stream.

[09:02:49]

partoj:

yeah

[09:03:14]

ServerSage:

Varying the bitrate on the fly would be cool though.

[09:03:22]

ServerSage:

Probably not practical.

[09:03:35]

partoj:

No, would probably put even more stress on the server

[09:03:46]

partoj:

I mean, you'd have to transcode to multiple bitrates at the same time

[09:04:07]

partoj:

...to seamlessly allow the client to switch bitrate

[09:08:25]

ServerSage:

Netflix does it, why not myth? Hehe.

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[09:18:40]

partoj:

I would assume that Netflix have more and powerful servers than we do at home? :D

[09:20:58]

ServerSage:

partoj: Silverlight 3 added the ability to change encoding on the fly as well.

[09:21:07]

quicksilver:

BBC iplayer changes bitrate on the fly too.

[09:21:25]

quicksilver:

I don't know what technology they use, I suspect it's just they have pre-stored versions in various bitrates

[09:21:32]

quicksilver:

and seek tables.

[09:25:41]

partoj:

Yeah, probably no real time encoding going on

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justinh:

lol. somebody tries to make mythfrontend more human friendly by adding nice things like "TODAY" instead of %TODAYSDATE% & people are moaning

[09:58:18]

justinh:

and it seems the first guy is moaning cos he uses the date to determine the filename of a recording... ? weird

[10:00:32]

ServerSage:

I'm not sure I agree that "TODAY" is more human friendly than 2012-04–13.

[10:00:44]

justinh:

maybe these people would be more comfortable with an ncurses & perl frontend

[10:01:10]

justinh:

it is, if you don't know what today's date is

[10:02:46]

ServerSage:

Depending on the theme, the date is right in front of you.

[10:02:49]

justinh:

I'm gonna start rejigging my theme soon

[10:03:22]

justinh:

I'm not actually sure the recorded date is all that relevant to me

[10:03:50]

justinh:

it lists the recordings in order anyway

[10:05:02]

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[10:05:06]

ServerSage:

My wife and I use the dates to determine if we have all the recordings of a season. Though I suppose we could actually use the metadata stuff to determine that, if motivated.

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[10:05:52]

justinh:

when I'm looking at the list I'm not really that interested in the time & date – and if I want to know that I can just look at the details section when it's selected. It's taken me a while to realise this

[10:06:30]

justinh:

like er.. why do most themes show the stuff you can already see in the list again?

[10:06:35]

justinh:

I'm guilty of doing that too

[10:07:34]

justinh:

sometimes I really wish the PBB was more of a folder/subfolder type affair like mythvideo's views

[10:08:19]

justinh:

like, you're not using the group selector, so why have it showing *all* the time? meh

[10:09:09]

justinh:

it sits there, wasting 25% or more of the available screen space

[10:09:48]

justinh:

I'd have tried to do something about it by now, were it not for the opposition I know it'd meet

[10:10:47]

ServerSage:

Well, great thing is you don't have to do it for anybody else. If they don't like your theme, tell 'em to bugger off.

[10:10:58]

justinh:

it's not just a theme tweak.

[10:11:15]

justinh:

it'd need playbackbox.cpp ripping into

[10:11:37]

ServerSage:

Well, for those of us with wives, I can tell you that change is not a good thing.

[10:12:03]

justinh:

so make the change optional. fine

[10:12:13]

justinh:

just have it so that the new way is more logical

[10:13:00]

justinh:

wonder when my next recording is

[10:13:32]

justinh:

no matter. think it's time to upgrade to 0.25-fixes

[10:15:49]

partoj:

Hehe, here's mythtv-status: http://pastebin.com/LS2XmNsi

[10:15:58]

partoj:

Very little time to upgrade :)

[10:16:08]

justinh:

damn git. I HATE GIT

[10:16:25]

justinh:

they should have called it C***

[10:18:03]

justinh:

"If you would like to grab the current development version or just want to keep up with the latest fixes to the stable branch, you will find git checkout instructions at https://github.com/MythTV". Except the instructions aren't there

[10:19:07]

justinh:

good thing I remembered code.mythtv.org

[10:19:17]

justinh:

and no, I'm not going back to packages

[10:19:31]

ServerSage:

What do you have against packages? :)

[10:19:54]

justinh:

mythbackend mysteriously stopped deadlocking when I moved back to building it myself

[10:20:30]

partoj:

ServerSage: Maybe he doesn't have to keep a high WAF? :)

[10:20:38]

justinh:

I haven't needed to restart mythbackend for MONTHS

[10:20:47]

justinh:

partoj: wrong!

[10:21:01]

justinh:

WAF is less hassle for everybody

[10:21:24]

justinh:

less buttons to press, less options to navigate, more sensible defaults. less extraneous information

[10:22:12]

justinh:

hmm. I think I'm gonna shed all these icons too. I couldn't care less what the aspect ratio of a recording is, or what format the audio is

[10:22:24]

ServerSage:

My complaint with most themes is distraction.

[10:22:44]

justinh:

the older I get, the more appliance-like I want my frontend

[10:23:07]

justinh:

I'm still not fixed on having fanart as a background

[10:23:16]

ServerSage:

I HATE fanart as a background.

[10:23:26]

partoj:

justinh: agreed, age also has lowered my eagerness to upgrade

[10:23:30]

ServerSage:

No, hate isn't strong enough a word...

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[10:26:35]

justinh:

enjoy mythtv 0.20 then :P

[10:27:12]

justinh:

I know what you mean though. there's a fine line between bling for the sake of it & bling that actually adds something

[10:27:47]

justinh:

if you wanna see total OTT, try moovida. LOL

[10:28:00]

justinh:

that is *ridiculous*

[10:28:25]

justinh:

that's the windows immersive 3d version, not the linux version btw

[10:28:42]

justinh:

looks more like a game UI than HTPC

[10:29:15]

ServerSage:

Hehe. What made you try moovida?

[10:29:41]

justinh:

just for giggles

[10:30:02]

justinh:

I like to keep up to speed with what other projects are up to

[10:30:20]

justinh:

steal ideas, so that come the day my free time AND motivation return...

[10:32:36]

justinh:

ServerSage: so if you don't like fanart as a background I guess that leaves you using mythcenter

[10:32:49]

ServerSage:

Yup, you got it.

[10:33:22]

justinh:

need to see what kind of breakage 0.25 will unleash on 'Concept'

[10:33:37]

ServerSage:

Though, I like mythcenter – not only because it doesn't have fanart.

[10:34:06]

justinh:

biggish text, spaced apart.. not too much info

[10:34:38]

justinh:

you know getting rid of fanart is a one line change right? ;-)

[10:34:57]

ServerSage:

But with mythcenter I don't have to change anything. :) And I *like* mythcenter.

[10:35:26]

justinh:

somebody has to :P

[10:36:16]

justinh:

I tried xbmc on my frontend a while back. crashy :-\

[10:36:46]

ServerSage:

I've tried xbmc and mythbox on my appletv a few times. Slow, and crashy.

[10:36:49]

justinh:

oo I wonder if opengl video rendering will finally work

[10:37:22]

justinh:

I was going to try & avoid intel video for good, but I just couldn't afford to with my new laptop

[10:37:54]

justinh:

so far not been disappointed with this HD lark though. it's not awful at all. not even any tearing in flash videos now

[10:37:56]

IMSanchMac:

I prefer the mythcenter osd, but the mythcenter wide main menu

[10:38:09]

IMSanchMac:

really need to learn how to theme to properly combine the two

[10:38:24]

ServerSage:

IMSanchMac: I've not used mythcenter, only mythcenter-wide.

[10:39:02]

justinh:

I fixed the 'Please Wai..." message a while ago

[10:39:34]

IMSanchMac:

I just copy the non-wide's OSD directory over the top of wides, but it doesn't retain the video size info unfortunately

[10:39:36]

justinh:

most people wouldn't have seen that, but some people have wide TVs with video hardware that only does 4:3 output

[10:40:13]

IMSanchMac:

one of these days I'll actually read the doco and try to fix it :P

[10:44:51]

justinh:

hmm should I bother looking for reports about opengl rendering on this frontend's lame hardware?

[10:45:51]

justinh:

stupid crappy 945GM

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justinh:

well, mplayer works with gl2 rendering, even while I'm compiling lol

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justinh:

hahaha frontend finishes building before the backend

[11:02:45]

justinh:

*machine

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** justinh backs up the database **

[11:45:36]

jm|laptop:

hello

[11:45:50]

jm|laptop:

could someone please elucidate what kormoc was trying to explain to me?

[11:46:20]

jm|laptop:

<kormoc> jm|laptop, add this to your htaccess file: php_value include_path ".:/opt/mythtv-0.25/whatever/the/path/is"

[11:47:02]

jm|laptop:

include_path=".:/opt/mythtv-0.25/include/mythtv/libmythbase/" I tried this but it seems no happier

[11:47:56]

jm|laptop:

phpinfo() tells me that it /is/ picking the path up from php.ini

[11:51:12]

justinh:

so the JSON dependency for mythweather... what actually is it?

[11:52:51]

justinh:

ah perl. duh

[11:55:46]

jm|laptop:

ooh progress

[11:55:53]

jm|laptop:

PHP Fatal error: Call-time pass-by-reference has been removed in /opt/mythtv-0.25/share/mythtv/bindings/php/MythBase.php on line 50

[11:58:31]

jm|laptop:

progress of sorts

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jm|laptop:

hooray. Fixed.

[12:03:35]

justinh:

where the hell does ubuntu keep the services configs again?

[12:03:46]

justinh:

service mythtv-backend start isn't starting mythbackend

[12:04:03]

justinh:

mythbackend works, it's in /usr/local/bin where 0.24 mythbackend lived

[12:07:17]

justinh:

"Apr 13 13:00:36 roger init: mythtv-backend main process (4462) terminated with status 132"

[12:10:33]

justinh:

heh. --logfile has changed

[12:15:10]

justinh:

oh crapo. frontend won't build the plugins

[12:16:33]

justinh:

disabled mytharchive. doing better

[12:17:51]

justinh:

oo. In file included from rsseditor.cpp:11:

[12:17:53]

justinh:

/usr/local/include/mythtv/mythuifilebrowser.h:23: error: expected initializer before â:â token

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justinh:

why is mythfrontend backing up the database?

[12:22:43]

justinh:

segfault!

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bobc:

does anyone know how if I can use a remote with Mythtv in windows, and if so how? winlirc?

[12:23:54]

justinh:

probably

[12:24:20]

jm|laptop:

or the MCE style ones which are basically a USB keyboard

[12:27:29]

justinh:

wowser! How much faster is playback startup?!?!?!?!?!?!!!1

[12:27:42]

justinh:

I really have to fix the plugins not building though

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jm|laptop:

one of my programmes in mythfrontend has a yellow blob and yellow text. What does that mean?

[12:36:10]

justinh:

anybody's guess

[12:36:29]

jm|laptop:

you're right, playback startup is a lot faster :)

[12:36:39]

justinh:

it's up to the themer & nobody's got round to making a help popup explaining what they mean AFAIK

[12:37:33]

justinh:

hrm. mythnetvision really doesn't want to build

[12:39:03]

justinh:

not that I'm in that big a hurry. flash video looks like arse on intel tear-o-vision anyway

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justinh:

having the same problem building mythnetvision, mytharchive on frontend & backend. hmmm

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justinh:

anybody any idea? "In file included from rsseditor.cpp:11:

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justinh:

/usr/local/include/mythtv/mythuifilebrowser.h:23: error: expected initializer before â:â token"

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quicksilver:

wrong version of g++ would be my guess justinh

[12:57:20]

justinh:

g++

[12:57:21]

justinh:

?

[12:57:27]

quicksilver:

the C++ compiler

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quicksilver:

GCC if you like.

[12:57:40]

justinh:

nah that was something old left over in /usr/local/include

[12:57:43]

justinh:

so I wiped it out

[12:57:55]

justinh:

now mythfillnetvision is failing

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quicksilver:

oh :)

[12:59:21]

jm|laptop:

does bumblebee do vdpau yet?

[13:08:00]

justinh:

bumblebee?

[13:08:22]

justinh:

reminds me of a lame series of films

[13:09:14]

justinh:

right. I've nuked everything myth related in /usr/local/

[13:11:17]

justinh:

gah mythfillnetvision is still failing

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justinh:

lol @ KimJongNumberUn on twitter "Still confused about what went wrong. Thought Diet Coke & Mentos was foolproof"

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justinh:

ARGH

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justinh:

what am I missing?

[13:32:05]

justinh:

I think maybe another include problem

[13:34:21]

justinh:

when is /include stuff copied?

[13:34:26]

justinh:

during install?

[13:37:55]

justinh:

and am I missing something about the config stuff too? normally just do a ./configure then make

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justinh:

ack. had stuff left over in /usr/lib too

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skd5aner:

how come I'm seeing lots of weird characters in gossamer-threads lately – like this – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/511540

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justinh:

people not using utf-8 in their terminal?

[13:58:25]

justinh:

yay mytharchive is building now

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justinh:

not that I'll ever use it

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justinh:

mythnetvision built on my frontend just fine too

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justinh:

stupid leftovers

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justinh:

removing packages should really wipe out libs by default

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justinh:

wheee. niice. so far. going back to 'watch recordings' is also much faster

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justinh:

HAHAHAHA. gl video rendering works fine. Well, apart from totally messing up the colourspace

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justinh:

oo but gl-lite seems to work fine. I'll stick with that

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justinh:

and WHOAH. going back to the menu out of playback is now even faster

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justinh:

what have you guys done? this is amazing

[14:12:48]

wagnerrp:

gl-lite?

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wagnerrp:

gles?

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wagnerrp:

please say youre not using gles

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justinh:

I think it says gl-lite in the setup thingy

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justinh:

the one without picture controls

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justinh:

yeah 'opengl-lite'

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justinh:

wagnerrp: remember my frontend's GPU is crap

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justinh:

but it should easy be fast enough for video playback

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justinh:

that's the name of the thing in the playback profiles setup page btw

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justinh:

maybe the colours were all messed up in the first instance of me trying the gl renderer cos I've never changed any picture controls

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skd5aner:

My opinons about MythMusic actually caused me to log into my email account registered on the -users ml and send an email... and that's saying something

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skd5aner:

(not that anyone cares, of course)

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jheizer:

I need to try it one of these day. Been running mast for a while, just have not got around to it.

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jheizer:

*master

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jheizer:

hmm, is there a way to have a recording rule to record a new episode on BBCA that has old air dates (top gear)?

[16:52:15]

jheizer:

and I best off to just make a power rule with original date > XYZ?

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jheizer:

am

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wagnerrp:

if it has old air dates, it is not a new episode

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jheizer:

well new to me through "official channels" and first time on BBCA

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** jheizer grumbles about stupid delays getting to BBCA **

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wagnerrp:

you could create a power rule that would require original date is within X days of current

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jheizer:

k, was my plan. Just wasn't sure if there was a better way or not

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, isn't that what "new" does? If it's within 14 days of orig airdate?

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jheizer:

4 months delayed

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sphery:

doesn't duplicate matching handle the "new to me" stuff?

[17:10:11]

sphery:

tgm4883: hehe, thanks for the correction--and I hope it's OK that I mentioned that on list

[17:10:18]

jheizer:

I haven't had it set to record for the last few years

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tgm4883:

sphery, yea no worries. If someone wants to tell me how to fix it I will fix it

[17:10:36]

jheizer:

and they rerun so often and I have seen them all

[17:11:03]

tgm4883:

although now it's too late to fix for 12.04, and the nature of -repos doesn't allow me to fix it for 12.04 after the fact

[17:11:05]

sphery:

ah, so you're saying you saw a bunch of them that MythTV doesn't know about and you don't want to tell MythTV about them

[17:11:07]

jheizer:

power rule worked fine, just wasn't sure if there was a non power option

[17:11:17]

sphery:

(i.e. with "Never record" overrides for episodes you've seen)

[17:11:21]

jheizer:

yeah

[17:11:38]

jheizer:

couple seasons worth

[17:11:50]

sphery:

I prefer to tell MythTV what I've seen (or, when I'm lazy, let it record and then delete what I've seen) since its memory is much better than mine

[17:12:24]

jheizer:

Yeah I totally agree and usually do that.

[17:12:40]

jheizer:

just only have once hdpvr -> sat and it has been pretty busy lately.

[17:12:41]

sphery:

though sometimes when I do the lazy approach--and it records episodes I've seen--I end up watching them, anyway...

[17:12:52]

jheizer:

haha yeah

[17:13:39]

trapicki:

sphery: some days ago you where helping me reordering my channels. Worked fine, the only problem I had was some complaints about some video source or input connection refering to an old channel number. After fixing that everything ran fine. Thanks for your patience!

[17:13:44]

jheizer:

I put on firefly on netflix a few weekends back as background noise while I was trying to code on a project

[17:13:51]

jheizer:

ended up watching the whole thing

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sphery:

This is happening frequently with Simpsons episodes, now--since many of the ones I watched back before Schedules Direct are re-airing right now in syndication, and because it was before Schedules Direct, we don't have good programids (since that's when we were scraping zap2it, before TMS gave us a better approach and made us promise to never scrape, again :)

[17:14:10]

jheizer:

damn auto play next episode and it had been just long enough I forgot 1/2 the twists

[17:14:49]

sphery:

trapicki: nice, glad it's working... and I /do/ hope to add user-ordering of channels to channel groups some day--if you're interested in it, you can always work on a patch--which will make it much higher on my TODO list :)

[17:15:31]

sphery:

jheizer: hehe, yeah, with Firefly, I'd have to watch it

[17:15:53]

sphery:

especially since, "it's only 13 episodes" :)

[17:15:57]

jheizer:

I thought I was safe, forgot how good that show was.

[17:16:14]

** sphery thinks this is the first time he's ever seen a positive side of Fox's murdering that show **

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jheizer:

bad side was a OSS project I was planning to spend the weekend working on got liek 5 lines written. Wife was out of town so it was going to be a perfect coding weekend.

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trapicki:

sphery: maybe. Was looking into the code for EIT/EPG stuff. I had the impression that I got not all the entries, but I do not know for sure. It's less than a week, which makes it hard to check rules for weekly shows...

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jheizer:

that plus super busy work week lower motivation

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sphery:

hehe, yeah--sometimes the down time is more useful, anyway, so might be for the best

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sphery:

and next time you get to work/play on the OSS project, you might make more progress

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jheizer:

planning on tomorrow....

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jheizer:

about a 55hr week of work so far this week so we shall see

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trapicki:

still there are some other points that I want to know more about, like how live tv/time shift is done. I played arround with pausing and catching up with something like 110% speed

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RagingMind:

so if I'm setting up ipv6 I should put ULA addresses on all boxen that will be using it?

[17:22:21]

trapicki:

I could not get to realtime, the info always says it's still some 3 seconds behind. Changing channels is also a little jerky.

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dekarl1:

jheizer, whats wrong with simply "record all" for Top Gear? If you already got some just hit "record never" in "upcoming recording" for the ones that you have already seen. :D

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jheizer:

dekarl: I was just trying to make it a bit easier and less up keep

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bill6502:

RagingMind: That's the route I took. Just for ease, I made the last 16 bits the same as my Private Network addresses. (e.g. fd00:f00::200 = same host as 192.168.1.200)

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wagnerrp:

dont we filter fd00?

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wagnerrp:

no, fe80

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tesla_:

Is there a way to enable mythtv bindings for the new mythtv master branch without compiling from source? I currently am using a debian-multimedia package and am running into the following problem: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . base;#470822

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/470822 **

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Beirdo:

sigh

[18:00:21]

wagnerrp:

the mythtv bindings are included in any proper package

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wagnerrp:

as they are part of the core build

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wagnerrp:

if you did not get the mythtv bindings as part of the core install, complain to your packager

[18:00:47]

sphery:

trapicki: yeah, we can't let you get to real time because we need enough data available/in the buffer to weather short issues/latency in reading as well as to handle the actual decoding of the video (which may have forward references to frames and such)

[18:01:12]

tesla_:

I believe they are included from the packager, i've used them from him for years, never had a problem until .25 update.

[18:01:20]

tesla_:

Is there a way to verify that?

[18:02:01]

sphery:

the packager may not have built mythtv properly and may be missing some prerequisites, so the python bindings aren't included in the package

[18:02:02]

wagnerrp:

not sure where perl does its stuff, but the python bindings will be in /usr/[local/]lib/python<version>/site-packages/MythTV

[18:02:11]

sphery:

(meaning it's still almost definitely a packaging problem)

[18:02:15]

wagnerrp:

or perhaps 'dist-packages', because youre using debian, and debian is retarded

[18:03:20]

wagnerrp:

uh oh...

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** wagnerrp gets out the ban hammer **

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tesla_:

wagnerrp, so if that directory is empty, the package was not properly built?

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sphery:

ban hammer? for wiki?

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wagnerrp:

new user: Autoinsurance22

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sphery:

hehe, it's not the esurance girl, is it?

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trapicki:

sphery, Seems to me that it takes very long time to get something watchable

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wagnerrp:

tesla__: different distros may put things in /usr or /usr/local

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trapicki:

much longer than with the windows program (you do not want to hear that, I guess ;-) ) or with a set top box.

[18:06:12]

wagnerrp:

everyone (except debian) puts their stuff in site-packages

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wagnerrp:

for no good reason, debian insists on using dist-packages

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trapicki:

Maybe they are are decoding program streams of a transport stream in parallel?

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tesla__:

wagnerrp: I checked both /usr/local/ and regular nothing there...

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tesla__:

The strange part is that I've always been under the impression it was a separate package, python-mythtv: This package contains Python bindings to access mythtv datas.

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wagnerrp:

it may be installed through a separate package

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wagnerrp:

but the frontend, backend, setup, assorted other applications, all the shared libraries, metadata grabber scripts, and perl/python/php bindings are all part of the core

[18:10:42]

wagnerrp:

configured, built, and installed as one coherent unit

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wagnerrp:

if they are in independent packages on debian-multimedia, thats for the debian people to sort out

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: ive switched the two wiki templates, and the svn redirect page over to trac

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wagnerrp:

might want to do the same for the irc bot

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tesla__:

I'm asking for help that is debian-independent. Using the reasoning that the metadata grabber scripts and everything else is functioning correctly there may be a problem with mythweb shown in the above linked article

[18:12:59]

tesla__:

I have had this problem compiling pre.25 by hand before as well

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wagnerrp:

if mythtv's python bindings are installed, you should be able to do 'mythpython --version'

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tesla__:

bindings version: 0.25.-1.3

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tesla__:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

i dont know of an easy way to check for perl

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tesla__:

perl is, already verified that.

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wagnerrp:

so theyre installed... somewhere...

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wagnerrp:

let me look at that link to see what problem youre actually having...

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tesla__:

Yes the real problem is mythweb throwing an error about a missing class that is being extended: PHP Fatal error: Class 'MythBase' not found in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/classes/Translate.php on line 16, referer: https://prime.home/mythweb/

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wagnerrp:

oh, then your php bindings are not installed

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wagnerrp:

there are no configure checks, or installation mechanisms for those

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wagnerrp:

they just get copied straight into /usr/local/share/mythtv/

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tesla__:

Thank you, I will verify. I do appreciate the help.

[18:16:03]

wagnerrp:

and mythweb is designed to look there for them

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall off hand how they decide where the php bindings should be

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wagnerrp:

i think they check a handful of different locations

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tesla__:

I guess I'm not super familiar with what these php bindings are part of the base php5-bin? Google should help me hopefully...

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wagnerrp:

the php bindings were formerly part of mythweb

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wagnerrp:

but ripped out into a separate set for 0.25, so they could be used externally

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wagnerrp:

as well as allow some form of abstraction between mythtv and mythweb

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wagnerrp:

where by you could continue to update mythtv and the php bindings without having to touch mythweb

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I don't want the commit URLs pointing at trac

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Beirdo:

I want them pointing at cgit which is MUCH MUCH faster

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wagnerrp:

you want to use cgit instead?

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Beirdo:

but trac >> github :)

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wagnerrp:

if we can get git commit caching working in trac, presumably making trac much faster than it currently is

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wagnerrp:

id rather keep everything in trac

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Beirdo:

I'd like to make trac behave properly, sure

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Beirdo:

but for browsing through the repo, cgit is a far better tool IMHO

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wagnerrp:

if not, id rather make trac point at cgit for its browser

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wagnerrp:

rather than having both enabled

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Beirdo:

well, cgit will be around. Not everything goes into trac :)

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Beirdo:

if I can get htaccess for specific repos working, then it will be even better :) Just haven't tried

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sphery:

trapicki: yeah, MythTV isn't designed for quick channel changes in Live TV--it's designed to allow you to record anything and everything that you might ever possibly consider watching so that you never need to waste time watching whatever's currently airing and sitting through its commercials and ...

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sphery:

trapicki: my thoughts on the idea: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302

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sphery:

(ignore logbot link)

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Beirdo:

yeah yeah

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: we should probably put in some mechanism that limits tickets to 1000 < N < 17000

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Beirdo:

OK, now you've done it

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sphery:

I should write an irssi script to say "(ignore logbot link)" after MythLogBot sends a link after I quote a gossamer post...

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airikka:

Hi! I have some problems with xmltv, program guides and such. I think the problem simply is that I don't really understand the connections here. When I run "mythfilldatabase" I just get a lot of "Unknown xmltv channel identifier" messages. I assume that there is a link missing somewhere. I read somewhere that I have to use the "--manual" switch once, but when I do that it just goes through everything without asking anything. ...

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airikka:

... When I use "--manual --do-channel-updates" it begins to ask questions about channel IDs, but I don't know what to write. Maybe someone can spare some minutes trying to help me out?

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Beirdo:

it'll be tweaked momentarily

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trapicki:

sphery: ok, wrong expectation. I read something like that before. I wanted some sensible and usable program for watching tv, with some magical clever recoding functionality.

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wagnerrp:

or with a bit more effort, only display on tickets commented on in the last 3 years?

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wagnerrp:

would be a lot easier if we switch to mysql

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wagnerrp:

although there is some RPC mechanism in trac

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Beirdo:

that would not be simple at all.

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wagnerrp:

mysql would be a simple query, although managing that additional database connection would likely require a bit of work

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wagnerrp:

the RPC bit would be a whole lot more difficult, i agree

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sphery:

wagnerrp: a negative look-behind on http:\S+ should work for URIs

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stuartm:

does anyone else find that the -t (time) arg to xfs_fsr is ignored? I can't remember the last time that specifying "-t 600" caused it to complete at or near to 10 minutes – the job I'm running now has been going for 40–50 minutes already with -t 600

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sphery:

though wouldn't help with things like: "There are 2 things to consider: #1) URIs with anchors and #2) generic lists"

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sphery:

hehe, so of course MythLogBot doesn't actually help there, since I put the ) on

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sphery:

though wouldn't help with things like: "There are 2 things to consider: #1 URIs with anchors and #2 generic lists"

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sphery:

there :)

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trapicki:

sphery, although I understand the change in paradigm when having a good recorder – I would not take the time to watch bad series if I had to spend extra time for sitting down – I want to zap arround from time to time. I just want to have a quick look at what is running, and that's something that's rather tedious currently.

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Beirdo:

sphery: that's exactly what I wanna do.

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dekarl:

trapicki: seen that? http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-0 . . . -13:06:41:06

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skd5aner:

I would say that could easily be solved by making sure it only parsed ones at least 3 digits long

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trapicki:

Having a ringbuffer to record something is fine, but usually I find something that I have not watched for the last 20 minutes and whant to get that... ;-)

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sphery:

stuartm: FWIW--and feel free to ignore if you don't want the -users list stress--some have mentioned not liking the "Today" and such for dates in Watch Recordings or whatever: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/513278#513278 ... not sure if you have any ideas on how to handle that (maybe through date format settings?)

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trapicki:

dekarl: yes, did not find you to respond ;-)

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skd5aner:

not sure people are going t obe like "... and reason #134, it's purple"

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dekarl:

I'm here :D

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Beirdo:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/513278#513278

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Beirdo:

hmmm, that dind't work

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sphery:

trapicki: you're saying using the Program Guide isn't working to see what's on?

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sphery:

Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide (or just map a Jump Point to "Program Guide" or whatever it's called) and hit that key

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sphery:

and/or change your menu theme to one that puts Program Guide on the main menu

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trapicki:

sphery: it's working. I just wonder if it was limited to some time span.

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stuartm:

sphery: if someone takes the time to submit a patch adding a setting then I guess I can't object, until then I say they'll get used to it and I'd lay money that the majority consider it an improvement (especially if like me they don't always remember what the current date is)

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sphery:

ah, that's probably based on your EIT data (and you should definitely pay attention to dekarl 's comments, too)

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sphery:

we--MythTV--don't limit it, and use whatever we get

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sphery:

as a point of reference, check the posts on the -users list where users have "Guide data through 2046-12–20" or whatever

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sphery:

(which comes down to bad EIT data putting a show 30+ years in the future)

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stuartm:

sphery: John's reason for wanting the unfriendly format isn't sufficient IMHO – very much a minority geeky power user reason

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stuartm:

sphery: I can't be sure, but I seem to recall that we added sanity checks on EIT data to drop events more than 14 days out

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sphery:

stuartm: agreed that it's not necessary/desirable for knowing file name (as there are better ways to handle that--like mythlink.pl--if you want to use the file outside mythtv), but not sure about Geoff's reasoning for it...

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stuartm:

sphery: or INFO which shows the filename

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sphery:

ah, that's possible--I haven't kept up with EIT stuff

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Beirdo:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/513278#513278

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sphery:

that would also explain why we haven't had a complaint about those bogus EIT dates in a long time

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Beirdo:

I'll get it right soon. regexps can be a PITA

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sphery:

no joke... especially fancy stuff like negative look-behind

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stuartm:

sphery: I can't decide whether I'm curious to know Geoff's reason or whether I'd prefer not to know

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sphery:

wagnerrp: why trac code viewer instead of cgit? trac's is very slow (and has always done a JavaScript slowdown--not as bad as github's, but still annoying)

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sphery:

what do we get from using it versus changing trac to use the cgit viewer?

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wagnerrp:

easier integration with trac

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Beirdo:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/513278#513278

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Beirdo:

build #123445

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Beirdo:

OK, that borked BOTH

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

if we want to use cgit, that means writing a new trac hook to point commits to the cgit browser, like how we formerly pointed them at github's browser

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sphery:

hehe, if jams is still running his IRC statistics scripts, you're going to make that date format post the # 1 post of the day

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stuartm:

does cgit offer stuff like annotated blame?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: hmmm... that makes sense, I wish it was just a nice "code viewer base URI" setting. :(

[18:46:34]

sphery:

stuartm: yeah, I'd guess much of it may be the whole "because it's different" thing

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wagnerrp:

sphery: it isnt?

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wagnerrp:

you click the arrow to expand the folder, you click the folder name to open a new page

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wagnerrp:

you can have it either way

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: different subject

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stuartm:

crossed lines

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Beirdo:

stuartm: I don't think it has annotated blame, but you can do that from your command line too :) If it does have it, it's well buried. but we could put in a request :)

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wagnerrp:

its just slow, because it has to query git every time, rather than trac's database cache

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stuartm:

Beirdo: right, but it's sometimes easier to do it in a browser with a nice scroll, syntax highlighting and one-click link to the commit info

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/513278#513278

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Beirdo:

build #123

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Beirdo:

sigh. back where we were :)

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Beirdo:

how the heck did that match?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, sorry--I meant "it's different" about the date format, that now includes "Today" or other "human" words for dates

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stuartm:

Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow

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Beirdo:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/513278#513278

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Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

build #123

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Beirdo:

#12344

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Beirdo:

Ahhhh.

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Beirdo:

we have workage... one more thing to try, then I commit

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sphery:

so, channel policy is that for ordered lists, you /must/ use letters: a) ... b) ... , etc. and not numbered lists: #1 ... #2 ... , etc.

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Beirdo:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/513278#513278

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sphery:

violators will be banned

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sphery:

;)

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Beirdo:

build #123

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Beirdo:

#12344

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Beirdo:

yay

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sphery:

nice--thanks Beirdo

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sphery:

the occasional wrong one for lists isn't a problem

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Beirdo:

it HAS to have a space before the #

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Beirdo:

we had \\s*

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Beirdo:

instead of \\s+

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

yeah, + makes more sense there

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sphery:

I can't see someone really being annoyed that it doesn't work with ticket#1234

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sphery:

or bug#1234

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

and pushed

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stuartm:

I've just fixed that issue you were having (#1234)

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Beirdo:

grrrr :)

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Beirdo:

OK, I'll add ()

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stuartm:

Lp

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stuartm:

:P

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Beirdo:

I've just fixed that issue you were having (#1234)

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1234 **

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Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

that one was easy :)

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Beirdo:

I can see people doing that for sure

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sphery:

hehe, I'm so used to creating "double-click-friendly" stuff (for copy/paste), that I'd have done: "I've just fixed that issue you were having ( #1234 )"

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sphery:

just think, it won't be long until we can start using 12345 as a test ticket number!

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Beirdo:

yeah, not too long

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justinh:

skd5aner: users yelled, twisted & bawled they wanted changes to mythmusic for ages. nobody did a single line of code, then paul redid it & still people are unhappy. Then apparently he went missing. So would I

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RagingMind:

people are always unhappy ;)

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justinh:

my first impression of the new mythmusic.. it needs theming. The default ui xml sucks in my theme. Cyan text on blue... gah

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justinh:

I don't think there's a single music player UI paradigm everybody would be happy with

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RagingMind:

so you're on 0.25?

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justinh:

upgraded today

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RagingMind:

do you use mythvideo?

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justinh:

yup. not since I updated though

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justinh:

I tell a lie. once, just to see if it'd broken my theme

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stuartm:

there are small usability irritations with the new mythmusic, but it's substantially better than the old one in many respects and isn't nearly as bad as some people are making out

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RagingMind:

is there a way to see if a video has been marked as "watched" without hitting the info button?

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dekarl:

#1234 has the patch (imatest)

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dekarl:

:)

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Beirdo:

stuartm: yeah, certainly not complete though

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Beirdo:

we'll have to pick up the ball and carry on

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stuartm:

RagingMind: that depends on the theme, the themer has the option of displaying text or an icon to show whether it's been watched, but it's up to them whether they make that information available

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justinh:

stuartm: yeah I spotted a few things I wouldn't say were my idea of logical – from a point of view of jumping in without RTFMing for the 1st time use

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RagingMind:

stuartm, AH. thanks

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justinh:

stuartm: but it's definitely an improvement in loads of ways

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stuartm:

RagingMind: if you happen to like your current theme you could modify it to display an icon, say the one shown for recordings

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RagingMind:

unfortunately my tv is 4:3 so I'm limited in themes to one choice (childish is not a valid choice)

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RagingMind:

and the squished look of the other themes drives me nuts

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justinh:

very impressed with the difference in playback startup speed – and with that of going back after watching something

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justinh:

it's lightyears faster now. I see 'Please Wait...' for a mere blip now

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stuartm:

justinh: my work in progress theme of the playlist screen shows some of the potential – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/noname_music_playlist.png

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justinh:

stuartm: nice! :-)

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sphery:

stuartm: yeah, again, I think much of the resistance to MythMusic is that users still have to learn the new UI

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RagingMind:

how hard would it be to chop a theme down to 4:3?

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justinh:

RagingMind: very

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justinh:

RagingMind: basically making a new theme

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sphery:

we (as a community) don't handle change too well--especially when it involves learning a new approach for something we used to understand

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stuartm:

Beirdo: I dare say that now Paul and Robert have both gone we have a singular opportunity to bring mythvideo and mythmusic into line with each other without anyone taking offence at the changes

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justinh:

RagingMind: my 16:9 theme works well at a 4:3 res.. no cutting off. it was designed that way

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justinh:

RagingMind: arclight works without looking squished – but my wife found the text too small

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RagingMind:

what's your theme?

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sphery:

Steppes-narrow works well on 4:3 :)

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justinh:

RagingMind: not available for download anywhere. it's not finished

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stuartm:

sphery: personally the biggest issue I have with the new mythmusic is that bringing up the playlist editor is slower and it replaces the playlist screen, so you exit the editor and you exit mythmusic, that mimics mythvideo but it just doesn't feel 'right'

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RagingMind:

justinh, is it gonna be 0.25+?

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justinh:

still would like watch recordings to be more like mythvideo in many ways. make the group list disappearable ;-)

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justinh:

RagingMind: who knows!

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Beirdo:

stuartm: agreed. It would be nice if they had a similar interface :)

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justinh:

RagingMind: I've had my fingers burned being an infamous themer

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justinh:

stuartm: definitely agree that more commonality would be no bad thing. it's all media innit

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stuartm:

Beirdo: similar but not ignoring that people browse/use music and video differently

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Beirdo:

yeah, true. Although some of the modes are teh same

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justinh:

but some people might quite like video playlisting

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Beirdo:

i.e. directory tree

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justinh:

music video playlists :-)

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Beirdo:

but certainly not all :)

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stuartm:

I might watch 1 or 2 videos in an evening, in that same time I might listen to 30–40 pieces of music,

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Beirdo:

yeah, I would really like a "add every piece of music in my huge library and shuffle-play"

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Beirdo:

if it's there, I didn't find it :)

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Beirdo:

but the nice thing is, it seems to be a lot more stable

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Beirdo:

so..

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justinh:

I collect music videos, even going to the lengths of buying DVD sets for em

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stuartm:

justinh: I wanted to add playlist support to mythvideo, not because I'd use it (well maybe on the odd occasion) but because it's 10 minutes work to copy/paste the code from Watch Recordings so there's really no reason not to

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stuartm:

Beirdo: MENU -> Quick Playlist -> All Tracks

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justinh:

stuartm: nah I mean playlists you can store

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Beirdo:

hmmm, I didn't find it, but thanks, that would do the trick :)

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stuartm:

but that could be more obvious, e.g. somewhere in the playlist editor

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Beirdo:

my eyes likely skimmed right over it

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justinh:

oh bum. mythfrontend is segfaulting launching it from my desktop launcher

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justinh:

btw, the 'friendly' date of 'Today' thing... wife just noticed. She likes that.

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stuartm:

justinh: good, I'm glad someone does ;)

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justinh:

I like it so much I'd be tempted to ask for it to be extended to 'yesterday', 'X days ago' LOL

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Beirdo:

is that forced, or in the date options?

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Beirdo:

I never noticed it yet :)

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stuartm:

Beirdo: forced, but only for dates where it makes sense

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justinh:

might depend what the themer users

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stuartm:

Beirdo: and only where the themer is showing the long-format date

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stuartm:

instead of the short format e.g. 31/12

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justinh:

oh bugger. get this, folks... 2012-04–13 20:32:46.500205 ! Plugin mythvideo (0.24.20110505–1) binary version does not match libraries (0.25.20120408–1)

[19:33:44]

Beirdo:

long like "Friday, April 13, 2012" and the like?

[19:33:48]

stuartm:

justinh: rm -rf mythvideo

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stuartm:

justinh: that's a 0.24 plugin

[19:34:04]

stuartm:

in 0.25 it's part of mythfrontend

[19:34:11]

justinh:

stuartm: I know, just saying

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stuartm:

Beirdo: right

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Beirdo:

cool

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justinh:

shouldn't be segfaulting though, right?

[19:34:32]

Beirdo:

well, it's a cool concept

[19:34:37]

stuartm:

justinh: definitely not

[19:35:19]

Beirdo:

wonder why it's segfaulting...

[19:35:47]

justinh:

I removed libmythvideo.so & now it doesn't segfault

[19:35:53]

stuartm:

with all new GDB you need never wonder again!

[19:36:08]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:36:12]

justinh:

damn. I should've only renamed it

[19:36:15]

stuartm:

justinh: heh, can you add it back and grab a backtrace?

[19:36:17]

stuartm:

doh

[19:36:18]

justinh:

now I'll never reproduce it

[19:36:59]

justinh:

it got as far as loading mainmenu.xml & then.. segfault

[19:40:10]

RagingMind:

hmm... nope the one theme we liked (arc) the fonts were too small

[19:40:40]

justinh:

I thought it'd only try to load plugins from a list it knows – having had to add one myself once, so how come it was looking for mythvideo?

[19:41:20]

justinh:

wahahaha. FLAC duration readings are WAY out

[19:41:33]

justinh:

this track is apparently 473:45:55 long

[19:41:37]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[19:41:45]

Beirdo:

best put in a ticket :)

[19:41:50]

justinh:

who tests this crap? ;-)

[19:42:09]

Beirdo:

I did notice that when I was testing the ffmpeg sync, and I forgot to note it

[19:42:35]

justinh:

[flac @ 0xaa97b5f0] max_analyze_duration reached

[19:42:51]

justinh:

not a bug in libflac then?

[19:43:19]

Beirdo:

maybe. I'll have to test with the sync again to see if I got that log message, etc

[19:45:07]

justinh:

oh wait.. 473:45:55 is how much audio files I've got

[19:45:50]

** justinh wonders if they ever fixed flac seeking in ffmpeg **

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justinh:

hmm how do you FFW & REW in mythmusic again?

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justinh:

whoah. timestretching music?!

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justinh:

er whats the max timestretch value sposed to be? in mythmusic press & hold W. LOL

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justinh:

I can go past 4x. that cant be right – and I only found out by accident mythmusic had TS

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sphery:

in TV we limit timestretch to 0.5x -> 2x

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sphery:

I suppose the true max is determined by your hardware

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sphery:

but probably makes sense to put a limit on it in mythmusic

[20:27:39]

sphery:

(I would say or just remove it, but since people may have podcasts or something of talk shows they listen to with MM?)

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justinh:

yeah podcasts etc is why I was looking for ffw

[20:35:30]

justinh:

thing is if it's not maxed, maybe it's not trapped for sanity ;-)

[20:35:49]

justinh:

I was just stabbing keys to try & find ffw or rew

[20:36:34]

justinh:

I know ENTER, arrow keys, M & I by heart. that's it even after all these years

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skd5aner:

testing if ticket #7800 comes up

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7800 **

[20:43:33]

skd5aner:

cool – good work Beirdo

[20:45:43]

skd5aner:

stuartm, justinh: yea, I know... I'm playing the roll of whiny, complainng users... but for once, I just can't help it...

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skd5aner:

stuartm, justinh: I'm grateful that Paul took on the endevour, and perhaps he built a solid foundation – but the end product is just something I simply don't enjoy using... at all

[20:47:29]

skd5aner:

stuartm, justinh: I held judgement until I had a chance to play with it, but I was a little worried based on the preliminary feedback from folks, but thought "nah – they just have to be using it 'wrong'" – but after giving it a go, I totally understand what they were getting at

[20:48:07]

skd5aner:

I hate the fact that I'm playing the bad guy now – I typically sing the praises of mythtv and when a dev takes on a pet project for the betterment of the project...

[20:49:35]

skd5aner:

at the same time, it's a little dissapointing how people have no problem coming in and bitching about other vendors and products, but when people actually have criticism about mythtv, it's deemed unwarranted or a personal attack... which, in all fairness, sometimes is true, but I've seen way more criticsm of the new mythmusic than compliments

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skd5aner:

and it's one thing to pat Paul on the back... but that doesn't mean we all should like it because he took something that none of the other devs were working on

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skd5aner:

justinh, stuartm: I think the real problem is that he kept it in his own little private branch for so long, that none of the other devs really wanted to work on MythMusic for fear that it would all be for nought thinking Paul was going to eventually commit a total re-write... so for 3 years, no one touched it basically

[20:52:15]

skd5aner:

and, for 3 years, no one go to give Paul any feedback because he didn't share...

[20:53:25]

skd5aner:

anyway – I'm sad to see Paul go... he had a lot of good contributions over the years, and I don't mean to come off overly critical of him personally (or his work on MythTV)

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jams:

did paul officially leave?

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justinh:

skd5aner: I've had a good go & I find not easily being able to play a selection NOW bites a bit

[20:59:48]

skd5aner:

jams: yea

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jams:

hmm didn't know that.

[21:00:23]

skd5aner:

jams: well, I don't know, I'm only guessing from what I've read him post on the -users list – I'm truthfully trying to steer clear of the politics

[21:01:47]

justinh:

anyway I was only saying before. I dunno if anything anybody does will ever be met with apple sauce by even a majority. but that's open source for ya

[21:02:45]

skd5aner:

justinh: I don't know, I don't think everyone is as jaded as you believe...

[21:03:55]

skd5aner:

but just because there may be times where a majority of people don't like something doesn't mean they're bitter people... perhaps it litterally means that something could be better

[21:04:19]

skd5aner:

there are plenty of things in MythTV (in fact, a large majority of the featuresets) that people never complain about, and in fact, brag about

[21:05:16]

stuartm:

skd5aner: I guess I just don't understand that particular criticism of mythmusic because at least as far as I can tell it's no different to the old mythmusic – but then as as been pointed out, the old mythmusic had a different 'mode' toggled by a setting that I never used and seems to be what some people are comparing it against

[21:06:00]

stuartm:

the way mythmusic works now is for me at least exactly how it's always worked (playlist editor screen and current playlist screen)

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skd5aner:

stuartm: hmmm, wonder what mode that is? I only assume the old only had one way of interfacing (I honestly never tried a different way?)

[21:06:23]

justinh:

heh maybe that's what people think is what's wrong

[21:06:29]

justinh:

skd5aner: the tree view

[21:06:35]

skd5aner:

yea, that's what I always used

[21:06:39]

justinh:

where it was basically a file browser

[21:06:42]

skd5aner:

yea

[21:06:59]

skd5aner:

but I didn't know there was a different view option to that in the old one...

[21:07:07]

stuartm:

right, it was for playing one track at a time?

[21:07:21]

skd5aner:

stuartm: and btw, I'm not simply complaining that it's "different" than before, I'm totally ok with change...

[21:07:25]

kormoc:

nah. you could play directories

[21:07:29]

skd5aner:

stuartm: I just don't think it's at all usable

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stuartm:

kormoc: well you can do exactly that with the new mythmusic, so I'm still unclear on the difference

[21:07:51]

skd5aner:

stuartm: you could play entire libarary, artist, album, or track

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stuartm:

right, as you can do exactly that in the new one ... sorry if I'm being dense

[21:08:40]

skd5aner:

stuartm: I know this might sound a bit "daft" as you would say over there, but unless someone can produce a video for me showing me how to easily accomplish that, I'm not getting it and must be an idiot

[21:09:06]

kormoc:

stuartm, in the current one, you need to make a playlist and play that, no?

[21:09:07]

skd5aner:

all that tells me is either I'm an idiot or the UX learning curve is way too difficult (or both)

[21:09:20]

justinh:

is there a guide?

[21:09:33]

Beirdo:

I didn't find a way to select a directory... maybe I needed to spend more time with it. it would drill down to songs and I had to pick songs one by one. It did play splendidly once I had it all setup though

[21:10:24]

Beirdo:

well, "full screen" for the visualization wasn't, but I'm sure that's a different bug, and likely easily fixed to boot.

[21:10:41]

Beirdo:

code without bugs... is vaporware. It doesn't exist

[21:11:35]

skd5aner:

I don't mind bugs... bugs I'm cool with, because a bug is a bug... UX is perspective and I can't necessarily convience someone to change the way it operates fundamentally

[21:11:56]

Beirdo:

it could use more work, but the current mythmusic is a good step in the right direction, I think.

[21:12:23]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: I will agree with that

[21:12:28]

skd5aner:

forward progress is good

[21:12:33]

stuartm:

skd5aner: like mythvideo there is a tree view, you'll have to forgive the fact that I've not yet themed this screen – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythmusic_tree.jpg

[21:13:10]

Beirdo:

stuartm, yes, but... you can't say "play all albums" there

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Beirdo:

that I found

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Beirdo:

you can drill down to the list of albums, then to songs

[21:13:32]

Beirdo:

and...

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skd5aner:

but PLEASE don't condemn me and the other users who are expressing dissapointment with the current functionality... if anything, take it as user feedback to understand what things are good and what things aren't working for people – that's all

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stuartm:

Beirdo: right, that's only available via MENU, we can fix that

[21:13:38]

Beirdo:

that's not a file system tree

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Beirdo:

that's a metadata-based tree

[21:13:56]

skd5aner:

I don't mean to condemn Paul, any of the devs, or this project simply because one day mythmusic was usable for me and the next it wasn't

[21:14:00]

stuartm:

skd5aner: I'm not, no-one is, but I for one I'm struggling to understand the nature of the complaints that's all

[21:14:04]

Beirdo:

which doesn't bother me, but does bother some people, apparently :)

[21:14:21]

skd5aner:

stuartm: cool – well, I'm happy to provide feedback however I can (and however is welcome)

[21:14:34]

Beirdo:

as in, they wanted to see it exactly how they laid it out on disk, and were unhappy to see it otherwise

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stuartm:

Beirdo: actually, funny you should mention that, my original proposal included a 'Directory' option on the left, seems Paul omitted that

[21:15:00]

Beirdo:

for me, I keep it on disk pretty much exactly as Paul implemented it, so I don't really care on that

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skd5aner:

stuartm: and... honestly, I'm trying tip-toe around and be as nice as I can simply because historically criticism hasn't necessarily been welcomed around here, ya know? :)

[21:15:38]

stuartm:

again very easy to add

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wagnerrp:

we didnt go all apple and demand a certain storage format did we?

[21:15:57]

Beirdo:

hey, as long as we keep it to constructive criticism :)

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Beirdo:

of course, with that screen themed, it would look better, but we'll get there eventually and all :)

[21:17:03]

Beirdo:

do we have a way to pull album art?

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jams:

i for one could really use the dir view back. I store my music by artists but grouped by letters. instead of music/badcompany it's stored under music/b/badcompany. Just makes jumping to an artist that much quicker.

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stuartm:

and we can understand exactly what the criticism is, as I say, so far what I've heard doesn't seem to match up with my experience – the functionality that has apparently been removed is to my understanding still there in more or less the same form

[21:17:22]

Beirdo:

jams: yeah, makes sense to me

[21:17:22]

jams:

or a similiar alternative

[21:17:54]

skd5aner:

My tags are super good (I spent over a year updating them all via musicbrainz and making sure the data in musicbrainz was accurate for my library before syncing) – but so is my heirarchy file system for my library... I can see where people could have a combination of good/bad tags/directories and so the way the data is presented would be important

[21:17:57]

stuartm:

ok so now we getting down to the real issue, the lack of a directory browsing option

[21:18:08]

skd5aner:

but in the days of itunes and winamp – most people are going to have some level of reliance on tags

[21:18:22]

justinh:

Beirdo: AFAIK there's no legal way to get albumart

[21:18:40]

Beirdo:

justinh: hmm. then how does iTunes do it?

[21:18:45]

Beirdo:

I guess they license it?

[21:18:48]

justinh:

well not without adding a link for you to buy it

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justinh:

amazon API.. dunno if gracenote even have an API

[21:19:19]

wagnerrp:

i know winamp does something with amazon

[21:19:26]

Beirdo:

I hadn't thought of the TOS on that yet.

[21:19:26]

Beirdo:

hehe

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stuartm:

Beirdo: they sell the songs and yes they license the artwork, they match up your existing tracks against the ones in their store and pull the artwork from there

[21:19:40]

skd5aner:

Apple has their own library of album art...

[21:19:41]

jams:

stuartm- for me personally it's all about that extra level of grouping. How thats accomplished doens't matter so much. Dir browsing is probably the quickest.

[21:19:50]

Beirdo:

gotcha

[21:20:17]

Beirdo:

yeah, I think the first major "argh" from users was the directory mode being missing

[21:20:23]

skd5aner:

Honestly, I'd be very happy for this project to better leverage musicbrainz for metadata... as well as last.fm- between the, you could get everything you would ever need

[21:20:32]

justinh:

the gallery view could be a bit smarter too. going into an album by one artist you don't need to be shown 'all artists'

[21:20:34]

stuartm:

jams: directory browsing would appease those who want some personally customised system of organising their tracks

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skd5aner:

musicbrainz last year switched from being a db used to lookup CDs to actually being a full music encyclopedia

[21:20:51]

jams:

agreed

[21:20:53]

justinh:

skd5aner: I've tried contributing to musicbrainz. they were a PIT

[21:20:58]

justinh:

PITA I mean

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Beirdo:

I've contributed many times

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skd5aner:

and, they recently started an album art project – http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Cover_Art

[21:21:16]

stuartm:

adding a directory browsing option should be a very easy task, the information is there in the database

[21:21:23]

Beirdo:

before and after the switch (as I also use them for metadata on the files)

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justinh:

the CDs I had to put on there were funny UK editions & because nobody with mod authority could find any other reference to em, mine were pulled

[21:21:49]

skd5aner:

ah, wrong link

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I even got a special edition 45 RPM listed

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skd5aner:

here it is – http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Cover_Art_Archive/API

[21:22:13]

skd5aner:

stuartm: ^

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justinh:

they may be less finicky now

[21:22:19]

Beirdo:

anyways, BRB

[21:22:37]

justinh:

on the whole though they're WAY better than freedb

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stuartm:

honestly I think adding the directory browse mode would be within the ability of most people here, so if people want it I'll expect a patch on my desk first thing Monday morning ;)

[21:22:39]

jams:

stuartm- btw i love the purple

[21:22:39]

skd5aner:

http://coverartarchive.org/

[21:22:46]

justinh:

oh man, that's typo city

[21:22:56]

stuartm:

hell I'll even backport it to 0.25 if that happens

[21:22:56]

skd5aner:

justinh: yea, I know some people love and hate mb – I'm on the love side :)

[21:23:11]

justinh:

skd5aner: when it gets something 1st or 2nd time, great

[21:23:16]

justinh:

skd5aner: when it doesn't, oh man

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stuartm:

just add another node to the existing tree called 'Directory'

[21:23:22]

skd5aner:

gets something?

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justinh:

skd5aner: yeah for tagging

[21:23:33]

skd5aner:

you mean, CD lookup for tagging?

[21:23:47]

justinh:

I have a lot of compilations, & the majority don't have signatures

[21:24:05]

justinh:

they're on freedb about a zillion different times, with mixed right & wrong data

[21:24:09]

skd5aner:

justinh: picard tagger has gotten way better, and they don't use the acoustic fingerprinting anymore

[21:24:13]

stuartm:

jams: glad to hear, I wanted something that wasn't blue (or brown)

[21:24:28]

skd5aner:

justinh: yea, and freedb cddb SUCKKKKKKSSSSSSS

[21:24:40]

jams:

i love it. I maintained purple galaxy for a while..just because i liked the purple BG

[21:24:48]

justinh:

skd5aner: prolly cos they sold the fingerprinting stuff

[21:25:16]

skd5aner:

nah – they didn't want to license a closed source solution anymore

[21:25:23]

justinh:

really? heh

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stuartm:

jams: if you're interested and haven't seen it already – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/noname_watch_recordings1.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/noname_music_playlist.png (original concept http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/nova_nivelo.png)

[21:25:41]

skd5aner:

they are replacing it withan open source alternative – http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/AudioFingerprint

[21:25:51]

stuartm:

still a work in progress, none of those screenshots represents the finished theme

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skd5aner:

AcoustiID is the new system, and was created in house

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skd5aner:

and open sourced

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skd5aner:

anyway – let me take a step back and apologize if I've come off as a grump about any of this... honestly, my wife is the one who's really disapointed the most – she used it several times a week and after trying to show her around the new system, she said "huh? I guess I'm never using this again"

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jams:

looks nice

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justinh:

stuartm: text is too small for my wife. unless we get a 6 foot screen

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justinh:

;-)

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stuartm:

justinh: can't please everyone, I've actually got the opposite complaint "Not enough room for the description, maybe smaller text" or words to that effect

[21:30:10]

justinh:

you know me, I've always been the "so what if it's higher resolution, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll be able to read 8pt text from your chair" ;-)

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stuartm:

fwiw, even at 10ft I can read the text just fine on my 21" monitor

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justinh:

she's supposed to wear glasses for this stuff. haven't trained the toddler to stop grabbing them yet

[21:31:48]

justinh:

course she needs glasses. She married me innit!

[21:31:59]

jheizer:

Hahahah

[21:34:41]

justinh:

wahahaha yeah 0.25 broke Concept. recording options bit no worky

[21:34:52]

skd5aner:

justinh: +1 (on the 10'ft away viewability)

[21:35:20]

skd5aner:

I'm using tintedglass now on 0.25, never used it before... I realy like it, but there are tons of areas that you can tell were designed on a monitor and not a "TV"

[21:35:34]

justinh:

stuartm: some themes, not saying yours – not even necessarily just mythtv – everybody goes 'ooo HD let's make 2pt text'

[21:35:48]

stuartm:

as it happens the font size for the description/plot there is 24px or around 18pt

[21:36:25]

justinh:

anyway FWIW *I* like the look of those shots

[21:36:26]

stuartm:

justinh: I just use whatever I find to be readable without taking up too much space

[21:36:40]

justinh:

so do I. then my bloody wife complains :-z

[21:37:13]

stuartm:

and my vision is hardly 20/20 – I'm short-sighted and permanently wear glasses/contacts these days

[21:37:23]

justinh:

she has no trouble reading the myopic elephant view in the Virgin STB

[21:37:39]

justinh:

but god, that font is big, and fat

[21:37:48]

justinh:

no bloody room for anything with text that big

[21:38:16]

Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

the Sky HD UI is a joke though isn't it

[21:39:19]

justinh:

taking my laptop to bed tonight. I have a theme to fix, apparently

[21:39:42]

stuartm:

the virgin UI is just awful, and slow, oh so slow (20–30 seconds is pretty much the norm to view some screens)

[21:40:19]

justinh:

that's a VM running on top of a slow system for yer

[21:40:38]

wagnerrp:

running in java

[21:40:54]

justinh:

some middleware crap or other

[21:41:18]

justinh:

the boxes don't have much ram either which won't be helping

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stuartm:

I mean it makes the complaints about PBB loading speed in MythTV look incredibly pedantic when you have a major cable company STB that runs 1000x slower

[21:43:26]

stuartm:

and frequently decides it's just going to refuse your request because "This function is not working at this time, please try again later"

[21:44:07]

stuartm:

which I suspect to be the message displayed when it hits a timeout during loading

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stuartm:

i.e. completely misleading, it should say "It was taking too long to handle your request so we've given up"

[21:46:13]

justinh:

ahh this is why recording options aren't working... Container 'ScheduleEditor' is missing child 'metadata'

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justinh:

sorted. one button missing. not bad. so far

[21:50:55]

willem:

hi all and congrats on the release of 0.25

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willem:

I do have a database upgrade issue from 0.24-fixes to 0.25 though...

[21:52:01]

justinh:

stuartm: doubt anyone could have complaints about pbb speed now. it blips through

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willem:

anyone knows how to re-do a schema upgrade?

[21:52:34]

justinh:

I didn't even think it needed speeding up & yet on the 1st mythfrontend run & was like woah

[21:52:50]

wagnerrp:

justinh: doubt all you want, people will always complain

[21:52:55]

justinh:

willem: restore the backup from before the upgrade. then try again

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Beirdo:

justinh: yeah, it's better. Still too slow :)

[21:53:03]

Beirdo:

hehe

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stuartm:

justinh: oh you'd be surprised, there's a patch pending to try and make it even quicker ... I've got to review it tonight/tomorrow

[21:53:16]

justinh:

lol. some people

[21:53:17]

Beirdo:

but seriously, vastly better than before

[21:53:38]

** justinh guesses some people are keeping more than he does **

[21:53:45]

Beirdo:

stuartm: and I have a branch that will make keypress actions faster too, (not done yet)

[21:53:56]

Beirdo:

justinh: only like 3–4TB right now

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wagnerrp:

im running maybe 1.5TB, most of my stuff gets shuffled into mythvideo

[21:54:41]

justinh:

willem: I don't do private help without money upfront

[21:54:50]

stuartm:

at some point the added complexity of the 'optimisations' will become a drag

[21:55:02]

justinh:

if you want help, ask here, wait for answers here & more people than just you may benefit

[21:55:06]

Beirdo:

at some point, yeah

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Beirdo:

1342 programs, using 3.1 TB (1 month 17 days 4 hrs 26 mins) out of 11 TB (7.4 TB free).

[21:55:30]

Beirdo:

there

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stuartm:

Beirdo: all unwatched or a bunch of stuff that's awaiting archiving?

[21:57:07]

Beirdo:

a bit of both

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Beirdo:

I have a bunch of concert footage to archive

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Beirdo:

the rest is just show after show

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stuartm:

Abstract Blue, is that by anyone we know?

[21:58:52]

Beirdo:

recognize the name

[22:00:21]

Beirdo:

https://github.com/rsiebert/blue-abstract-wide

[22:00:23]

Beirdo:

that one?

[22:01:11]

stuartm:

probably, rsiebert_, see http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10593

[22:01:26]

Beirdo:

yeah

[22:01:50]

stuartm:

and this folks is why we aren't shipping themes which have not been confirmed to work with 0.25

[22:01:57]

stuartm:

jya: ^^

[22:02:48]

stuartm:

appears to work != actually working as it should

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justinh:

willem: I SAID... no private help. If you /msg me again I'll just block you

[22:04:52]

stuartm:

Beirdo: I hope to have a script to run theme validation and generate an HTML report on themes done by the end of next week, it would be nice to have it run by buildbot and the results hosted on alcor

[22:05:11]

Beirdo:

sure.

[22:05:19]

justinh:

man, irc clients should've stayed on the commandline

[22:05:25]

fugg:

hello, i purged an elder setup and did anything from scratch (clear database). now i have a problem that video-stream is not fluid (interrupting, showing those typical mpg-sqares and squeezing sound) but it was working fine in the old setup. may anyone remember me where to tune this ? (tv-mode is ok, not sure about certain options)

[22:05:33]

Beirdo:

that could work well with the plans that Captain_Murdoch had, IIRC

[22:05:41]

wagnerrp:

justinh: but youre just so cuddly and approachable

[22:06:48]

justinh:

wagnerrp: you should see me after I've been necking cheap vodka

[22:07:00]

justinh:

makes me a bit.. stabby

[22:07:16]

wagnerrp:

i hear it works better with a charcoal filter

[22:07:20]

stuartm:

Beirdo: and we should look at getting the translation status stuff hosted, I'll update knowledgejunkie's script to match my cppcheck and theme reports (might as well have all our tools looking similar)

[22:08:02]

Beirdo:

sure

[22:08:27]

justinh:

time to copy the theme fix to the frontend. I should really do this more cleverly y'know

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justinh:

thank heavens for wakeonlan :)

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fugg:

anyone ?

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justinh:

fugg: sure your signal etc is still ok? femon is your friend

[22:17:47]

justinh:

fugg: I'm assuming you use digital cable or satellite

[22:18:14]

fugg:

justinh, all was ok, but i did a new database. i use DVB-S2

[22:19:31]

fugg:

justinh, for germany i choosed PAL-BG, western-europe but i assume the frontends video-calculation is guilty.

[22:22:18]

stuartm:

fugg: which version did you install? (may not be relevant but ...)

[22:22:37]

fugg:

stuartm, actually it'S 0.24.2

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justinh:

fugg: so are old recordings affected too?

[22:24:08]

justinh:

or do you no longer have old recordings now?

[22:24:30]

fugg:

stuartm, i had to change my domain and mistakenly got double-entries so i did a new setup on a blank mythconverg, hardware and Myth itself is ok, unfortunately the new DB has no old recordings.

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skd5aner:

So, in the new metadata managment stuff – for existing rules, if you want new recordings of that rule to have metadata/art you need to ensure that the "Automatically Look Up Metadata" option is checked under "Post Processing" correct?

[22:26:36]

wagnerrp:

yes

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skd5aner:

Honestly, I'm wondering if I could simply run a SQL update against the record table and set autometadata = 1

[22:26:49]

wagnerrp:

and preferably, add an inetref

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skd5aner:

would be way easier than going in rule by rule in the UI

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skd5aner:

I just want to ensure that's the right place where that's checked

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skd5aner:

yes, I know, direct sql – use at your own risk, but is that the only place it's checked? It would save me like 30 minutes

[22:29:26]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: many of the rules have had the inetref added via the commands listed here ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . Cheat_Sheet)

[22:30:10]

skd5aner:

but, that only really helps for existing recordings, since new recordings won't have the metadata looked up unless the autometadata post processing flag is checked

[22:30:18]

skd5aner:

(if I'm understanding correctly)

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stuartm:

skd5aner: you can set the global default (which applies to existing rules) in mythtv-setup where you'd toggle transcoding/advert flagging

[22:33:26]

skd5aner:

stuartm: I did that... but doesn't that just enable it on new recording rules, not existing ones?

[22:33:32]

stuartm:

the per-rule setting is just so you can override the default, as you might for transcoding/flagging

[22:33:56]

stuartm:

skd5aner: no applies to all future recordings (even those on existing rules)

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skd5aner:

stuartm: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . tra_Metadata ?

[22:34:16]

stuartm:

the value in the record table is an override

[22:34:19]

skd5aner:

stuartm: it doesn't appear to be working for me?

[22:34:54]

stuartm:

skd5aner: how long did you give it? The lookups aren't done immediately in my experience

[22:35:21]

Twiggy2cents:

stuartm, was it you that was helping me yesterday?

[22:35:31]

skd5aner:

if the database value is in the record table for autometadata, how would it know if that was an override or the default (for which the global value should take effect)?

[22:35:47]

skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: I was a little bit, but don't remember the problem

[22:35:49]

stuartm:

Twiggy2cents: I can't remember, what was it that you were having trouble with?

[22:36:13]

Twiggy2cents:

I was having trouble with a fedora package of .25 not working

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skd5aner:

stuartm: a day?

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: it was me

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skd5aner:

(well, at least I was one person helping)

[22:36:40]

Twiggy2cents:

I was pretty sure it was one of you ;)

[22:36:58]

justinh:

oh god. not just Today.. Tomorrow too! I love you guys

[22:37:01]

skd5aner:

but I had to leave in the middle if I remember

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Twiggy2cents:

skd5aner, I decided to scrap the fedora packages and compile from the git repo. Problem is now solved!

[22:37:25]

skd5aner:

Good deal, figured that would be the case

[22:37:28]

skd5aner:

thanks for reporting back

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stuartm:

justinh: yesterday, today and tomorrow

[22:38:04]

justinh:

:-)

[22:38:17]

stuartm:

beyond that you'll need to dig out a calender

[22:38:21]

justinh:

heh

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justinh:

gah. no metadata grab option box on my post proc editor screen

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Twiggy2cents:

The first one I did(I have 2 frontends) took me like 3 hours to do. The second took an hour. I found out that the command yum-builddep mythtv grabs all the dependencies for the packaged version and makes the source happy when compiling.

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justinh:

wait it's not in default-wide either

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skd5aner:

stuartm: I'll play around a little long, and see what happens before changing the field if you're confident it's an override only... but how woudl it know to override the global?

[22:40:33]

skd5aner:

stuartm: the docs also mention to switch it on existing rules here too – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . tra_Metadata

[22:40:33]

justinh:

ahh it's not in that post proc editor. phew

[22:40:39]

stuartm:

skd5aner: the value in the record table is only used if it differs from the global value, if it's enabled and the global value is also enabled then result is enabled, false & true = false, true & false = true

[22:41:19]

skd5aner:

stuartm: so, that's my point, I guess...

[22:41:42]

skd5aner:

the global value is now set to 1 (enabled) so that the new recording rules have that turned on when created...

[22:42:06]

skd5aner:

but, all the old existing rules have the old default (or the fact that it didn't exist so the default was set when the column was created to 0)

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stuartm:

s/rules/recordings/

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skd5aner:

well, I mean rules... not recordings?

[22:42:55]

stuartm:

the value in the record table does not reflect the global value, they aren't connected

[22:43:09]

skd5aner:

For example – when I create a rule now, the "Automatically Look Up Metadata" is checked – but if I look at any of my existing rules, it is not

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stuartm:

skd5aner: correct, that's because the value in the record table is an _override_

[22:44:06]

skd5aner:

so, it's overridden... by default at upgrade

[22:44:09]

skd5aner:

correct?

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stuartm:

skd5aner: do you use autotranscoding or flagging?

[22:44:21]

skd5aner:

flagging, yes

[22:45:00]

skd5aner:

every row in the record table has "autocommflag" = 1

[22:45:22]

skd5aner:

additionally, it's set up in mythtv-setup globally to auto-commflag

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justinh:

where is this setting for changing a rule to autolookup data? I'm not seeing it in any xml

[22:45:53]

skd5aner:

when I upgraded to 0.25, the record table added the "autometadata" field, and set all existing recording rules to 0

[22:46:25]

skd5aner:

when I go into mythtv-setup, and set to always process metadata (or whatever it's called), the rows in the record table stay at 0

[22:46:32]

stuartm:

skd5aner: well that's odd to say the least, perhaps the default is different there, never the less it's the same principle, the rule value isn't inherited from the global value, the rule value is ignored totally unless it's different from the global

[22:46:37]

skd5aner:

except, for the new rules in which I've created, they have a 1

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stuartm:

so just forget all about the rule value, it's irrelevant here

[22:46:59]

stuartm:

you're barking up the wrong tree

[22:47:08]

skd5aner:

heh – ok, I very well could be :)

[22:47:42]

skd5aner:

dinner is on the table – I'll try to do a little more learning about this over the next few days... I'm just trying to figure out why rules that have interefs aren't getting artwork and metadata for new recordings

[22:47:43]

stuartm:

for example every single one of my recording rules has autometadata=0 and it still does the metadata lookup because the global value is 1

[22:48:11]

skd5aner:

gotcha

[22:48:24]

stuartm:

skd5aner: there are 3 or 4 settings that must be enabled for it to work, the one in mythtv-setup is just one of those

[22:48:55]

skd5aner:

yea – I as able to get it to work for existing, but new seems to be the issue – I could be missing something obvious

[22:49:19]

skd5aner:

still trying to learn as I go – pretty cool when it works

[22:49:36]

skd5aner:

and the actual bug I was seeing has a patch submitted that sphery is planning (or already has) to check in

[22:49:43]

stuartm:

skd5aner: I found that it was taking a day or more to grab the artwork, and sometimes it just never seems to work

[22:49:50]

stuartm:

it's a bit flaky TBH

[22:49:54]

skd5aner:

yea

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skd5aner:

Funny enough, it thinks sportscenter is an 80's softcore porn flick because the inetref is the same across tmdb / ttvdb ha

[22:50:51]

sphery:

unfortunately, the government is repressing me and preventing me from actually doing fun stuff like working on MythTV

[22:50:56]

sphery:

stupid taxes

[22:51:03]

knightr_:

stuartm, Beirdo, I talked (a few weeks ago) with Nick Morrott and he didn't seem to have any problem with us hosting the translation status page it instread of him. The only thing we weren't quite sure of is when to update it (I was thinking of keeping the last 12 months but updating the current month each day...

[22:51:04]

sphery:

"Help, help. I'm being repressed!"

[22:51:04]

skd5aner:

needless to say, the fanart was way more exciting than it used to be

[22:51:14]

skd5aner:

alright – dinner's getting cold – later!

[22:51:19]

stuartm:

skd5aner: yeah, I ran into a similar bug, I thought Robert had fixed it but maybe not

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justinh:

wahaha arclight has the button I'm looking for but it's not in the default xml files

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RagingMind:

oh the tyranny of having paved roads! ;)

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wagnerrp:

WTH?

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stuartm:

I particularly like how people argue that they shouldn't have to pay taxes which support social welfare etc, even though they'd be first to cry foul as crime rates soared if the most deprived were just left starving, homeless and with no access to basic medical care

[22:55:45]

wagnerrp:

if you queue a playlist for transcoding, it schedules it to run five minutes in the future

[22:55:56]

sphery:

RagingMind: hehe, I really don't mind paying the taxes--it's filling out the paperwork that's annoying--sometimes I wonder if I'd rather just pay what they took out and not get the refunds.

[22:56:23]

stuartm:

and of course the day that they find themselves unemployed and with no medical coverage they'd quickly change their tune about socialised healthcare systems

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willem:

so it was'nt a failed database upgrade after all that made all my recording rules dissapear

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Twiggy2cents:

I am having an error compiling mythplugins. it errors at the first plugin. If I disable mytharchive it errors at the next in line. http://pastebin.com/sFcdMZ63

[22:57:08]

sphery:

willem: hehe, I didn't see your original issue, but I'm glad it's not that (since I'm not going to have much mythtv time for a while)

[22:57:08]

willem:

the fields 'local backend' and 'master backend' where just wrong... did this happen because of the upgrade??

[22:57:39]

sphery:

there was a change to those--trying to convert your previous value so it works in the "we now support ipv4 and v6" code

[22:58:09]

sphery:

but it's not necessarily going to work for everyone (which is why we recommend running mythtv-setup to do upgrades--and, for this one, verifying those settings)

[22:58:51]

wagnerrp:

there it goes

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stuartm:

sphery: it does seem that the US has a complicated tax system, over here most people have no paperwork at all and no audits as a result, there are no deductions for employees (98% of the population) only if you're running a business (self-employed or otherwise)

[22:59:07]

sphery:

wow, I may have to move

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willem:

funny things happen, though... it sort of worked, but just did not show any recording rules

[22:59:36]

wagnerrp:

sphery: it would work for everyone... everyone with a functional system anyway

[22:59:53]

sphery:

I'm not excluding the others :)

[22:59:55]

wagnerrp:

it would only fail if one had used a hostname for an IP address

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wagnerrp:

in which case IIRC it resets to localhost

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willem:

wagnerrp: aha! not true. my previous system worked just fine

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fugg:

stuartm, tax systems are complicated everywhere else by greeks, reason why the got bankrupt ;)

[23:00:53]

wagnerrp:

willem: what were your IP addresses set to?

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fugg:

s/the/they

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willem:

wagnerrp: they where set to the hostname

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wagnerrp:

so, your system was broken

[23:02:07]

wagnerrp:

and it was just by fortune that there is a last ditch attempt to perform a lookup through the DNS system that made it work

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willem:

wagnerrp: ok, so how did it come that I have been running it with no issues for two years then?

[23:02:23]

sphery:

willem: the point is that where it says, "IP address", a host name is /not/ a valid configuration

[23:02:24]

wagnerrp:

when it says IP address, it means IP address

[23:02:30]

sphery:

regardless of whether you failed to see issues or not

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willem:

I think you guys are being very harsh on me, though

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wagnerrp:

no, im just defending my change

[23:03:37]

wagnerrp:

the schema change would work on any properly configured system

[23:03:40]

willem:

why would the system any non-digit characters? feature request?

[23:04:01]

sphery:

because the old, legacy setup program has very little of the checking it should have had

[23:04:13]

sphery:

we're rewriting it, now, but have a lot more to do on that

[23:04:14]

fugg:

willem, i don't think so, some values are "IP or host" but if it asks strictly for IP, there is no choice.

[23:04:15]

wagnerrp:

and use of a hostname has been known to not work in the past

[23:04:22]

wagnerrp:

at what point it started working, i have no idea

[23:04:28]

wagnerrp:

but it is untested and unsupported

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wagnerrp:

in 0.25, it again no longer works

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stuartm_:

/msg NickServ ghost stuartm

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stuartm_:

bah

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willem:

wagnerrp: that is clear. it starts to behave very funny indeed...

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willem:

anyway, glad I fixed it.

[23:05:32]

sphery:

yeah, glad you found it

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wagnerrp:

it should warn that it was unable to find IP address 'hostname' on your system

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wagnerrp:

and fall back to only listening on 127.0.0.1

[23:05:52]

willem:

that would be helpful

[23:06:02]

sphery:

he means it does in the log file

[23:06:03]

wagnerrp:

well it will say that, in the backend logs

[23:06:11]

sphery:

or the mythtv-setup log

[23:06:11]

willem:

at least it whould show up in the log file

[23:06:18]

sphery:

depending on who does the upgrade

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, every time you start the backend

[23:06:46]

sphery:

but the upgrade changed it to localhost addresses, right?

[23:06:48]

wagnerrp:

the backend will test to see if that IP address exists, and if not, warn

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sphery:

oh, you mean if you misconfigure it, now, it will

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wagnerrp:

ah, right... the update would fail, so it would reconfigure to 127.0.0.1

[23:07:08]

sphery:

I thought you meant the upgrade

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wagnerrp:

so it wouldnt warn on startup

[23:07:20]

wagnerrp:

it would just tell you its only listening on 127.0.0.1 on startup

[23:07:22]

sphery:

but, yeah, the upgrade says it was broken in the log

[23:07:25]

wagnerrp:

as well as in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

lol. holy crap. video playback in a half screen window is watchable over freenx. over weak wifi

[23:08:04]

willem:

well, the log said: Connecting to master server: mythbox:6543 without an issue...

[23:08:13]

wagnerrp:

thats right, it will

[23:08:25]

wagnerrp:

as there is the fallthrough that will attempt name resolution when connecting

[23:08:42]

wagnerrp:

and for the local frontend, it would detect that it is connecting locally, and use 127.0.0.1 instead

[23:09:02]

wagnerrp:

where as any remote frontend would attempt to connect, but be refused, as it is not listening on an accessible address

[23:09:15]

willem:

yeah. I did see that with my remote frontend

[23:09:56]

willem:

but how is it possible that just the recording rules and recordings failed to show up?

[23:10:09]

willem:

the recordings showed up fine and where playable

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wagnerrp:

dont know on that one

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wagnerrp:

likely side effect of some configuration problem

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willem:

ok

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wagnerrp:

nothing was designed with the expectation there would be a hostname in the IP fields

[23:11:26]

wagnerrp:

leading to unknown consequences throughout the code when that happens

[23:11:31]

willem:

at least: good to see that we have moved into IP6 space

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wagnerrp:

its a "we dont know what will happen when you do this" sort of thing

[23:12:01]

willem:

as in "don't try this at home"

[23:12:55]

wagnerrp:

ipv6 support actually went in maybe a year ago

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wagnerrp:

the changes i made and the schema update were to work around some configuration setting, which makes programs that 'listen on all addresses' only listen on ipv6

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willem:

ah – found it: the log said "

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willem:

Invalid address string 'mythbox' found on mythbox. Reverting to lo

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wagnerrp:

as well as allow some additional security for multi-homed machines

[23:14:17]

willem:

calhost defaults.

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willem:

it went in downstream into 0.24 you say?

[23:15:20]

wagnerrp:

no, 0.25 only

[23:15:48]

wagnerrp:

ideally, both of those settings will go away, in favor of a multi-select box that enumerates available addresses and lest you specify what you want to listen on

[23:16:31]

willem:

so the lesson is: when I do a pacman -Syu on arch (all system upgrade), be wary of mythtv and check the log for upgrade errors

[23:16:38]

willem:

makes sense to me...

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wagnerrp:

the schema update was run automatically by a package update?

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willem:

no. I did a reboot that automatically started the backend. that's when the update must have happened

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Twiggy2cents:

what is QApplication and why cant make find it when compiling mythplugins?

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stuartm:

core Qt class

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stuartm:

as for the latter, um, dunno

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Twiggy2cents:

I think I have all the relevant qt packages

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Twiggy2cents:

I have qt qt-devel as well as some others

[23:21:14]

wagnerrp:

you would need it for mythtv core to build and install

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Beirdo:

you'd need to be a lot more specific

[23:21:36]

Twiggy2cents:

I posted it earlier, hang on

[23:21:38]

Beirdo:

it's likely something missing a header file

[23:21:39]

Twiggy2cents:

I am having an error compiling mythplugins. it errors at the first plugin. If I disable mytharchive it errors at the next in line. http://pastebin.com/sFcdMZ63

[23:21:45]

willem:

thanks for the help, guys

[23:21:49]

willem:

bye

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Beirdo:

ahh, or it can't find your qt headers

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Twiggy2cents:

I did ./configure qmake mythplugins.pro make

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wagnerrp:

yeah, dont touch qmake

[23:22:31]

wagnerrp:

just configure, make, make install

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Beirdo:

-I/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/include

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stuartm:

Twiggy2cents: ah, not the middle bit

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Beirdo:

Ummmm

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stuartm:

./configure; make; make install

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Twiggy2cents:

So the readme is old and outdated?

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Beirdo:

Qt 3.3 is NOT supported

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wagnerrp:

which readme?

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Twiggy2cents:

How do I remove the qmake stuff?

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Twiggy2cents:

in mythplugins

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justinh:

hrm. trying to make text in the popup dialog textarea autoscroll

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stuartm:

apparently so, by a few years ...

[23:24:02]

Twiggy2cents:

naughty naughty

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Beirdo:

Twiggy2cents: it looks like you have a very old version of Qt

[23:24:02]

Twiggy2cents:

I ran qmake not qmake-qt4 could that be why?

[23:24:02]

Twiggy2cents:

I tried both, but I do have qt4

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Beirdo:

if you have both, use qt4 for sure

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Twiggy2cents:

So how do I remove the qmake stuff?

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wagnerrp:

just dont run it

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stuartm:

Twiggy2cents: configure will run qmake for you and it should run the right one too

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wagnerrp:

distclean, configure, make, make install

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Twiggy2cents:

okay

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justinh:

rah. no autoscrolling for this textarea. messagearea. boo!

[23:25:28]

Twiggy2cents:

That is working, great!

[23:25:34]

Twiggy2cents:

Thanks!

[23:27:14]

Twiggy2cents:

So is it safe or recommended to run distclean everytime I recompile?

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wagnerrp:

safe, yes... recommended, up to you

[23:28:10]

wagnerrp:

its typically not needed

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Twiggy2cents:

so the other option is if I receive errors try that first before complaining?

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justinh:

oh wait. no autoscroll for qt painting I'll bet

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wagnerrp:

first check to see if the buildbots themselves got errors

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Twiggy2cents:

where do I find them, so I can bookmark them

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wagnerrp:

if you do want to make frequent distcleans, it is absolutely recommended to use ccache

[23:29:22]

wagnerrp:

http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/waterfall

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Twiggy2cents:

thank you

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brian__:

Hi — is MythWeb working? I just did git clone -b fixes/0.25 https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb.git and got the message "Class 'MythBase' not fonud"

[23:29:50]

wagnerrp:

mythweb works just fine, you need to install the php bindings

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wagnerrp:

which is done whenever you install mythtv core

[23:30:09]

wagnerrp:

they just get dumped into mythtv's share directory

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wagnerrp:

and mythweb is supposed to pick them up from there

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brian__:

This is in OSX — so I look in the backend bundle?

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wagnerrp:

no idea what you would do there

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Twiggy2cents:

Um how long does it take you guys to compile?

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brian__:

fair enough, I will sniff around

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: depends on the volume of changes

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wagnerrp:

and the speed of your drive

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wagnerrp:

from scratch... 3.3GHz dual core AMD... maybe 15–20 minutes on -j4

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh so it wont take near as long when I recompile with a small amount of fixes in?

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wagnerrp:

if the code is all still there, make will only compile those files that were changed

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Twiggy2cents:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

if the files were not there but you are using ccache, ccache will again only compile those files that were changed

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wagnerrp:

but tends to be a bit more cautious about things than if make was making the decisions directly

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wagnerrp:

which is why sometimes you need to distclean, but ccache is fine

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wagnerrp:

on the other hand, it means ccache is significantly slower than working off an existing directory

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Twiggy2cents:

Cannot find file: /home/darren/mythtv/mythplugins/mythweather/mythweather/scripts/scripts.pro.

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Twiggy2cents:

I get that error now, I do not have that file in there.

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brian__:

For future reference: the file appears in MythTv-Setup.app/Contents/Resources/share/mythtv/bindings/php/MythBase.php

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wagnerrp:

looks like something that should be produced by configure

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fugg:

does the nouveau work together with libvdpau ?

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brian__:

Now I just have to figure out how to incorporate that into OSX apache

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brian__:

And update the Wiki accordingly

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wagnerrp:

fugg: completely blind guess, im going to say no

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fugg:

wagnerrp, also my opinion but i heard even non-NV may use it.

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wagnerrp:

brian__: i might need to figure out what rights to give you so i dont have to keep patrolling all those edits... :P

[23:36:34]

wagnerrp:

anyone who wants can use libvdpau

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wagnerrp:

but as far as i know, only the official nvidia drivers use vdpau

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why you would want to use nouveau over the official nvidia drivers

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brian__:

@wagnerrp: are my edits too numerous, occasionally wrong, or are you joking {humor impaired here}

[23:38:00]

wagnerrp:

yes, im joking

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wagnerrp:

if youve never had admin rights on anything mediawiki, new edits are marked with an exclamation mark until someone with proper rights 'patrols' them

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wagnerrp:

which basically amounts to skimming through them and making sure none are spam

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brian__:

Ah. Joking or not, I'll keep that in mind and try to consolidate

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fugg:

ok, while waiting for a download let me ask a question where i'm curious about since ages.............i found nowhere an option to have some pass/pin for recording-rights. is something implemented ?

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wagnerrp:

dont mind me... too many edits >>> too few edits

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brian__:

OK I copied over the php files into the classes/ subdir. Some screens work, but I get, for example a "Cannot redeclare date_select() " . This fcn is indeed declared in both modules/tv/channel.php and modules/tv/list.php

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brian__:

The version in channel.php even has the comment "Reused *almost* verbatim from modules/tv/list.php"

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brian__:

My PHP-fu is weak here

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