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| [00:26:13] | skd5aner: | is it really that big of a deal to have legit identities and/or contact info in order to accept a patch? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/511097 |
| [00:27:09] | skd5aner: | legal concerns are enough to want to stay awya from anonymous submissions? |
| [00:27:13] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ^ |
| [00:27:18] | wagnerrp: | for a patch, and particularly a relatively small one, i dont really think so |
| [00:27:27] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [00:27:38] | Beirdo: | for tiny ones, not so much |
| [00:27:41] | skd5aner: | what precedence? |
| [00:27:46] | wagnerrp: | however that is the reason foobum was not offered commit rights |
| [00:28:03] | Beirdo: | but there always should be a clear way to track back to the owner/author of the code |
| [00:28:12] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: well, that's different... |
| [00:28:34] | Beirdo: | as if we need to be able to contact said author for whatever reason, there would be a way |
| [00:28:40] | wagnerrp: | if for no other reason, should we ever want to change licenses, it would be easier if the owner can be found |
| [00:29:07] | skd5aner: | having it is one thing, requiring it is another |
| [00:29:10] | Beirdo: | yeah, or if we get accused of stealing someone's code... |
| [00:29:21] | Beirdo: | not really |
| [00:29:29] | skd5aner: | (by the way, I'm only playing devil's advocate here... not really strongly for or against) |
| [00:29:36] | Beirdo: | most large projects require a lot more than we do |
| [00:29:39] | skd5aner: | but I do have to roll my eyes a bit |
| [00:30:18] | Beirdo: | for instance, you try to get anything at all into the kernel without at least your full name and email |
| [00:30:24] | skd5aner: | and I definitely can understand only allowing an identifyable person as a committing dev |
| [00:30:30] | Beirdo: | or into mysql (under GPL) |
| [00:30:46] | skd5aner: | So, let's not take the top 10 open-source projects |
| [00:30:58] | skd5aner: | let's take a sample of numbers 20–50... |
| [00:31:21] | Beirdo: | if we don't have the person's info, how can we prove even to ourselves that the code is allowed in our code based on license/ownership? |
| [00:31:24] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [00:31:25] | skd5aner: | or anything comperable in numbers to mythtv |
| [00:31:35] | Beirdo: | we are either in the top 10, or are getting quite close |
| [00:31:56] | Beirdo: | if you go by lines of code maintained, number of active devs, etc |
| [00:31:56] | skd5aner: | in terms of users? commit activity? longevity? |
| [00:32:12] | Beirdo: | we are not a small project |
| [00:32:13] | skd5aner: | for real? top 10? I wouldn't have even guessed top 20 |
| [00:32:22] | skd5aner: | Well, I do agree with you on that |
| [00:32:31] | Beirdo: | we'd have to find someone who can rank us :) |
| [00:32:38] | wagnerrp: | if you combine the various linux distros as the "linux kernel" or "gnu userland".... |
| [00:32:44] | Beirdo: | but if we aren't at least in the top 20... |
| [00:32:46] | skd5aner: | but, I would think in terms of usage/adoption, MythTV wouldn't come close |
| [00:33:04] | skd5aner: | I'm thinking of things like linux kernel, mysql, asterisk, etc |
| [00:33:11] | Beirdo: | that has not much to do with committing and what is required for your code to go in |
| [00:33:15] | skd5aner: | things that actually have economies built around them |
| [00:33:43] | wagnerrp: | hey now... mythtv has economies failed around them... :) |
| [00:33:47] | Beirdo: | some projects even require that you sign the code over to them |
| [00:33:48] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [00:33:56] | Beirdo: | (mysql) |
| [00:34:14] | skd5aner: | well, yes... thank Sun Oracle |
| [00:34:23] | Beirdo: | it was well before that |
| [00:34:41] | Beirdo: | it's because they were dual licensed for a LONG way back |
| [00:34:58] | skd5aner: | http://sourceforge.net/top – that list makes me laugh, but still |
| [00:35:01] | Beirdo: | anyways, insisting on having a valid contact info isn't that much |
| [00:35:21] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: no, that's true |
| [00:35:30] | Beirdo: | that also has nothing to do with anything. That's downloads :) |
| [00:35:41] | skd5aner: | but having an unrational fear of legal issues because someone submits a 3 line patch as anonymous kinda is |
| [00:35:41] | Beirdo: | and only on sourceforge :) |
| [00:35:56] | Beirdo: | it wasn't just *a* 3 line patch |
| [00:36:03] | skd5aner: | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Sourc . . . 2011-365276/ |
| [00:36:18] | skd5aner: | Those would be very corporate focused, since it's coming from OpenLogic |
| [00:36:26] | Beirdo: | it was actually a significant chunk of code, and it was a reminder to make sure you get it right ;) |
| [00:36:56] | skd5aner: | but way more in line... I just can't imagine MythTV being in any top 10 list in terms of usage, adoption, etc... |
| [00:37:00] | Beirdo: | trust me, you don't want us with the same rules as the linux kernel |
| [00:37:24] | Beirdo: | active developers, commits... I wouldn't be so sure |
| [00:37:34] | skd5aner: | Agreed, but it's really not necessary either... the legal issues of things going into the linux kernel are real and serious... they could basically cripple nations |
| [00:37:49] | Beirdo: | not really |
| [00:38:03] | skd5aner: | "bad stuff" going into mythtv, will mostly likely result in my wife not getting to watch "The Voice" on Wednesday |
| [00:38:05] | Beirdo: | only if nations use the free code with no code reads :) |
| [00:38:25] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: nations, corporations, individuals... |
| [00:38:33] | Beirdo: | more likely to get us shut down for DMCA violations unintentionally |
| [00:39:09] | Beirdo: | it doesn't take much at all to get a takedown notice, and that can be a severe PITA |
| [00:39:22] | skd5aner: | While were onthe topic... who administers MythTV on ohloh? |
| [00:39:48] | Beirdo: | not sure |
| [00:40:20] | Beirdo: | This is one of the largest open-source teams in the world, and is in the top 2% of all project teams on Ohloh. |
| [00:40:26] | Beirdo: | for instance :) |
| [00:40:47] | Beirdo: | 125 developers over the past 12 months |
| [00:41:02] | Beirdo: | now that patch submitters are actually getting credit for their work |
| [00:42:48] | Seeker`: | if you aren't submitting something that could get you in to trouble, I don't see the need to hide your details |
| [00:42:57] | Seeker`: | if you are submitting something that could get you in to trouble, don't |
| [00:43:04] | wagnerrp: | some people just like to be private |
| [00:43:18] | Beirdo: | then they can make a "private" email |
| [00:43:26] | Beirdo: | as long as it's valid |
| [00:43:28] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I ask because I believe it should ignore all the ffmpeg and other libraries in the line count – http://meta.ohloh.net/2011/02/latest_updates_ . . . directories/ |
| [00:43:42] | Beirdo: | we can't |
| [00:43:47] | Beirdo: | we modify ffmpeg :) |
| [00:43:56] | skd5aner: | every line? |
| [00:43:59] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: considering we havent had an ffmpeg sync in the past 12 months, thats not a big problem |
| [00:44:06] | Beirdo: | no, not every line :) |
| [00:44:14] | wagnerrp: | as for volume, it accounts for roughly some 500k lines |
| [00:44:23] | Beirdo: | up to about 700k now, but yeah |
| [00:44:30] | Seeker`: | skd5aner: you don't have to modify every line to make a significant change to sometihng |
| [00:45:00] | skd5aner: | so, MythTV specific code contributions are around ~2m? |
| [00:45:38] | Beirdo: | of which 1.2M are XML, it seems |
| [00:45:44] | Beirdo: | where the heck is all that? |
| [00:45:54] | skd5aner: | heh, yea... |
| [00:46:22] | Beirdo: | umm |
| [00:46:33] | Beirdo: | how do we have -6505 lines of HTML? |
| [00:46:44] | Seeker`: | does it count mythweb? |
| [00:46:47] | ** Beirdo slaps ohloh for once again sucking ** | |
| [00:46:50] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: was looking at all this a few weeks ago, and forgot to bring it up – but someone might want to try to accoutn for all that stuff in http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/enlistments |
| [00:47:19] | Beirdo: | perhaps |
| [00:47:42] | skd5aner: | so, this would be a much more accurate "top" list here – http://www.ohloh.net/p |
| [00:47:48] | Beirdo: | we'd have to figure out what's right to remove :) |
| [00:48:36] | Beirdo: | that's ordered by users, I think |
| [00:48:48] | Seeker`: | skd5aner: yeah, cause mythtv has only 100 users |
| [00:48:52] | Seeker`: | and mythbuntu only 10 |
| [00:49:05] | Beirdo: | and if every mythtv user said they were users, we'd be on that first page |
| [00:49:15] | Beirdo: | of course, if every Firefox user... |
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| [00:49:25] | skd5aner: | yea... probably not the most accurate... |
| [00:49:48] | skd5aner: | but still, if you look at the first severl pages, I would definitely say MythTV would be tough to compete for those spots |
| [00:50:28] | Beirdo: | likely not that far behind some though |
| [00:50:33] | Beirdo: | like OpenOfffice |
| [00:50:50] | skd5aner: | firefox, svn, apache, mysql, php, linux kernel, bash, openoffice, putty, gimp, gcc, vim, python.... blah blah blah |
| [00:50:57] | wagnerrp: | one user between 256mb and 512mb... oof |
| [00:51:03] | Beirdo: | and hey, if anyone out there wants to pay $44.5M for mythtv, I'm right over here! :) |
| [00:51:19] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: putty may get a lot of use, but its otherwise fairly small |
| [00:51:25] | Beirdo: | we'll make sure it's evenly distributed |
| [00:51:34] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: Yea, but I'm wondering how that would change if the enlistments and exclusions were updated (all those XML lines, anything that's 3'rd party libraries, etc) |
| [00:51:35] | wagnerrp: | i imagine vim is similar |
| [00:51:49] | wagnerrp: | busybox is used all over the place but is large the work of one guy |
| [00:51:57] | Beirdo: | vim is definitely used a LOT |
| [00:52:16] | wagnerrp: | used a lot, but how large is it? |
| [00:52:18] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [00:52:32] | Beirdo: | Ohloh says 1000 lines + is a "large commit" |
| [00:52:36] | wagnerrp: | bash is another one with only like 2–3 maintainers |
| [00:52:48] | Beirdo: | can't wait to see it choke on the ffmpeg sync |
| [00:52:58] | skd5aner: | I would say MythTV wouldn't belong anywhere above page 5 (10 per page) – so, out of top 50 |
| [00:53:09] | Beirdo: | fine, even then |
| [00:53:10] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:53:11] | skd5aner: | I know, them's fighting words... |
| [00:53:14] | Beirdo: | oh... |
| [00:53:19] | skd5aner: | but I calls it the way I sees it |
| [00:53:33] | Beirdo: | anyone have a working old bttv card they can spare for fun experiments? |
| [00:54:00] | Beirdo: | preferrably one with a radio tuner, as that's what I wanna toy with |
| [00:54:15] | skd5aner: | I've got an old PVR-250 with a radio tuner |
| [00:54:20] | skd5aner: | laying around |
| [00:54:54] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [00:55:00] | Beirdo: | they have tuners too? |
| [00:55:03] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [00:55:12] | Beirdo: | wonder where I left my three |
| [00:55:32] | Beirdo: | thanks, I'll have to dig for them now :) |
| [00:55:33] | skd5aner: | the MCE ones did not (I believe) |
| [00:55:43] | Beirdo: | I don't think I had MCEs |
| [00:55:59] | skd5aner: | well, I don't think the 250's ever came as MCEs, now that I think about it |
| [00:56:05] | skd5aner: | that was the 150's and 500s |
| [00:56:29] | skd5aner: | crap – now I need to go google to make sure I'm remembering right |
| [00:56:39] | Beirdo: | Hmm, I think a couple of mine are in my old devel box. |
| [00:56:59] | Beirdo: | anyways, I wanna play with FM |
| [00:57:39] | skd5aner: | yea – http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/produc . . . 6-616-01.JPG |
| [00:58:11] | skd5aner: | I always hated it because it wasn't direclty easy to tell which one was the NTSC connector and which was the FM connector :P |
| [00:58:28] | Beirdo: | so true |
| [00:58:43] | Beirdo: | hmmm, wonder if they ever got FM support for those into Linux |
| [00:58:43] | skd5aner: | apparently, it WAS the 250MCE edition that /did/ come with the fm tuner |
| [00:59:37] | Beirdo: | ivtv-radio |
| [00:59:48] | Beirdo: | I'll take taht as a YES they did |
| [00:59:57] | skd5aner: | Yea, I know at the time it was possible back in 2004/2005 to do it |
| [01:00:10] | Beirdo: | wonder if it does RDS :) |
| [01:00:19] | skd5aner: | someone wrote an fm "plugin" (cough HACK) even |
| [01:00:20] | Beirdo: | I know my little USB stick I just got does |
| [01:00:22] | skd5aner: | mythfm maybe? |
| [01:00:30] | Beirdo: | it was a hack for sure |
| [01:01:29] | skd5aner: | k – off to the basement to see if my 250 has the tuner or not :P |
| [01:01:59] | skd5aner: | maybe I'm thinking of the PVR-500, I think it does have an fm tuner too |
| [01:02:06] | skd5aner: | the 350 does as well |
| [01:04:26] | skd5aner: | yea, mine are the original 250s (without tuner) |
| [01:04:31] | skd5aner: | my 500 does have the fm tuner |
| [01:04:43] | skd5aner: | and the 250MCEs have a tuner, as well as the 350 |
| [01:06:54] | skd5aner: | who is Author: Jonatan Lindblad <jlindblad at mythtv.org>? |
| [01:07:09] | Beirdo: | one of the new devs, why? |
| [01:07:26] | Beirdo: | natanojl on IRC |
| [01:07:27] | skd5aner: | cause I don't recognize the name? |
| [01:07:40] | skd5aner: | and I didn't realize there were any recent promotions of "new devs"? |
| [01:08:09] | Beirdo: | he and jstichnoth recently were added |
| [01:08:13] | skd5aner: | and I didn't realize that the gustopo was going to question why I was asking? |
| [01:08:16] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [01:08:25] | skd5aner: | I knew about stichnoth |
| [01:08:30] | Beirdo: | hehe, I was curious, like if there was a problem, etc |
| [01:08:43] | skd5aner: | nah – just catching up on -firehose... |
| [01:08:45] | skd5aner: | latest commit |
| [01:09:00] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [01:09:11] | skd5aner: | anyway – not sure if you saw my question earlier, but why are some message going to -firehose using the old format and some using the new? |
| [01:09:42] | Beirdo: | the new format (being what git itself uses) is coming from our own server |
| [01:09:57] | wagnerrp: | they're hipster commits, theyre using the retro look out of some unreasonable belief its "cool" |
| [01:10:02] | Beirdo: | we will be swinging over to it for committing right after the release |
| [01:10:34] | Beirdo: | meanwhile I've been manually syncing it |
| [01:10:36] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: wouldn't they just not do it at all and use twitter instead? |
| [01:11:13] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I was a big fan of the commit style way back in the day, like late CVS, earlier SVN... |
| [01:11:14] | wagnerrp: | mailing lists, its retro |
| [01:11:18] | skd5aner: | never really liked the dumbed down version |
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| [01:11:25] | wagnerrp: | they would use usenet but they cant figure out how to access it |
| [01:11:27] | skd5aner: | (the messages that is) |
| [01:11:42] | Beirdo: | well, the style the new server has is git's default style |
| [01:12:08] | Beirdo: | we can look at fiddling it a bit (the text at the top is pretty lame, for instance) |
| [01:12:29] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: same d*bags as these? http://www.buzzfeed.com/katienotopoulos/iphon . . . id-instagram |
| [01:13:23] | wagnerrp: | just WTH is instagram anyway? |
| [01:13:43] | wagnerrp: | is it just some program that applies sepiatone and rounded corners? |
| [01:14:11] | Beirdo: | seems like it |
| [01:14:46] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yes... in a square poloraid format, often with a border/frame |
| [01:14:57] | wagnerrp: | so its all the amazing graphical editing technology of the 70s, right in your cell phone? |
| [01:15:00] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: and it's basically it's own social site too |
| [01:15:39] | skd5aner: | it's supposed to be an homage to the fact that modern technology killed the polaroid (or so they say) |
| [01:16:10] | skd5aner: | in all fairness, the filters are pretty good, and can make for some good shot |
| [01:16:14] | skd5aner: | shots |
| [01:16:18] | Beirdo: | polaroids SUCKING and the company itself... that's what killed polaroids |
| [01:16:28] | skd5aner: | but, it makes people think they're photographers |
| [01:16:35] | skd5aner: | pretentious photographers |
| [01:16:45] | skd5aner: | with a 1/4" lense on a cell phone |
| [01:16:47] | Beirdo: | you mean tourists? |
| [01:17:51] | wagnerrp: | no, even tourists generally have a PAS, with a 1/2" lens and about the same for the sensor |
| [01:18:04] | Beirdo: | hehe, true |
| [01:18:05] | wagnerrp: | cell phones usually have a 1/6" (on a side) sensor |
| [01:18:37] | skd5aner: | https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl . . . l6l0.frgbld. |
| [01:18:48] | skd5aner: | you'll get the point with the examples there |
| [01:18:56] | wagnerrp: | unless youre nokia, in which case youve got a larger sensor than most high end consumer grade camera, and even some low end swappable lens cameras |
| [01:20:01] | skd5aner: | instragram is really just hipster porn |
| [01:20:09] | skd5aner: | s/instragram/instagram |
| [01:20:44] | skd5aner: | but I'm not really a hater... just a hater of the pretentious iphone crowd in the URL I poster earlier |
| [01:21:20] | wagnerrp: | the iphone instagram users are pretentious, the android instagram users are posers... :) |
| [01:22:42] | Beirdo: | iphone users have always been pretentious |
| [01:24:27] | wagnerrp: | wait, dont you have an iphone? |
| [01:24:35] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'd better go home :) |
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| [01:24:45] | Beirdo: | umm, you mean my iAlarmClock? |
| [01:24:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:25:03] | wagnerrp: | and your mobile iRC device? |
| [01:25:05] | Beirdo: | I have a 3G with no SIM as I moved the SIM to a Nexus One |
| [01:26:36] | Beirdo: | it made me pretentious for a while though :) |
| [01:26:36] | rumblebumble: | hey guys, getting some new hd boxes, they are Motorola and I noticed that the back have a place for an ir extender. It is possible to plug an ir transmitter directly into a ir extended port. |
| [01:26:56] | wagnerrp: | not directly, no |
| [01:27:00] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [01:27:13] | wagnerrp: | but if youve got some electrical knowledge, you could probably wire together a cheap circuit to allow it |
| [01:27:25] | wagnerrp: | i recall someone mentioning such a thing a week or two back |
| [01:27:54] | wagnerrp: | they mentioned some thread on some forum, im thinking avsforum |
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| [01:28:49] | rumblebumble: | wagnerrp, Thanks, I might look into that, I will only need to go down that road if the firewire port is disabled, they told me it was disabled, but sometimes the sales guys dont know a whole lot |
| [01:29:19] | skd5aner: | yea – the fact that they even responded to your question is amazig |
| [01:29:23] | skd5aner: | amazing |
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| [01:29:30] | skd5aner: | most people are like "fire-huh?" |
| [01:29:48] | skd5aner: | tech support, sales, installers, third-tier, etc |
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| [01:33:13] | rumblebumble: | well, when I went to change provider, I guess I am a though sell. they invited me into the office to answer all my questions |
| [01:38:55] | rumblebumble: | So if they did not know the answer, they just called over a tech |
| [01:45:19] | wagnerrp: | HAH! |
| [01:45:48] | wagnerrp: | there are three people running '/bin/true' as their guide data grabber, and one running '1' |
| [01:45:56] | wagnerrp: | i dont even know how that would work |
| [01:50:54] | ThisNewGuy: | hey all – I have an hdpvr connected to schedules direct and it works fine. I just ran a scan against my hdhomerun (not prime) which uses my cable provider (fios) – is there a right way to get the new channels to play nice with schedules direct? Do I need to manually change the xmltvid and callsign and channum for all new channels? |
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| [01:53:27] | wagnerrp: | anything mythfilldatabase cannot match directly, you will need to manually supply the xmltvid through the channel editor |
| [01:54:55] | ThisNewGuy: | can you explain how mythfilldatabase matches? |
| [01:59:34] | wagnerrp: | ATSC stations broadcast a callsign, which mythfilldatabase will use to attempt to match with the lineup |
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| [02:10:04] | ThisNewGuy: | wagnerrp: cool, so if my stations have callsigns and my video source points to SD, then if I run mythfilldatabase it will fill in the xmltv ids and everything will be good to go? |
| [02:15:08] | wagnerrp: | the only stations you can expect that to work with are the local broadcast ones |
| [02:15:20] | wagnerrp: | cable companies dont supply those for the cable-only channels |
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| [02:21:16] | ThisNewGuy: | hmm – looks like even the local callsigns don't match up |
| [02:22:20] | ThisNewGuy: | I guess I need to manually fix the callsigns and then mythfilldatabase will do the rest |
| [02:23:53] | wagnerrp: | no, you set the xmltvids directly |
| [02:24:23] | ThisNewGuy: | k – thanks |
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| [06:58:56] | jya: | what is this nonsense that livetv on myth is not ready for primetime…. derekj what a troll |
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| [14:39:12] | Unguided: | Hello All. I have what I hope is a quick question. I would like to direct my hybrid server to store on a network share or external usb 3.0 drive. Can I do that? |
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| [14:39:43] | wagnerrp: | hybrid server? |
| [14:39:59] | Unguided: | I meant backend |
| [14:40:44] | wagnerrp: | you can just add more storage directories, and the backend will load and freespace balance between them |
| [14:41:47] | Unguided: | I screwed up when I bought the case and forgot to account for recording storage. Is it better to use the gigabit network or usb 3.0? |
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| [14:43:01] | wagnerrp: | this is an external drive with a build in NAS? |
| [14:43:48] | Unguided: | No. its an external 4 drive usb 3.0 enclosure |
| [14:44:17] | wagnerrp: | youre asking whether to buy a USB3 or NAS unit? |
| [14:45:35] | Unguided: | No. I have an external usb 3.0 4 bay drive enclosure or I have the option to use my freenas box. I am asking what is the better choice to use. I assume it would be the external box connected locally |
| [14:46:06] | Unguided: | for bandwidth purposes |
| [14:46:21] | wagnerrp: | why not just make the freenas box your backend? |
| [14:47:26] | Unguided: | I didnt think ubuntu can use zfs |
| [14:47:53] | wagnerrp: | what tuners are you trying to use with this? |
| [14:48:04] | Unguided: | 2 Hd homerun primes |
| [14:48:37] | wagnerrp: | then drivers are not a problem, and you can record just fine using nanobsd (freenas) |
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| [14:49:05] | wagnerrp: | and considering the fairly beefy requirements for freenas, it should work fine as a backend |
| [14:49:06] | Unguided: | nanobsd? |
| [14:50:03] | Unguided: | So using freenas as a data store would work fine? |
| [14:50:13] | wagnerrp: | nanobsd is a very stripped down version of freebsd, which provides the basis upon which freenas is built upon |
| [14:50:56] | wagnerrp: | im saying... you mentioned running zfs, and when using zfs, freenas has very high memory requirements |
| [14:51:20] | wagnerrp: | and considering those memory requirements are pretty hard to hit on older hardware, or a wimpy atom, that likely means you have a proper processor |
| [14:51:44] | Unguided: | I just googled it and found what you are talking about. I would like to keep all of my data centrally located but didnt know if I could do that with mythtv. I have a quad core with 8 gigs ram |
| [14:51:55] | wagnerrp: | so plenty of memory and cpu, and HDHRs so drivers arent a problem, why not just install your master backend directly on freenas? |
| [14:52:32] | Unguided: | I dont know how to do that? |
| [14:53:00] | Unguided: | I also have an octacore with 16 gig of ram |
| [14:53:27] | wagnerrp: | do you tinker with freenas's internals? or are you just managing it with the web UI? |
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| [14:54:25] | Unguided: | web UI right now. Is there a "tutorial" somewhere I can use to do that. That seems like a great idea |
| [14:54:50] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of, ive always just used freebsd directly |
| [14:55:44] | Unguided: | Darn your right. Freebsd will use zfs natively and I can install mythtv directly on that. I never thought of that |
| [14:56:36] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, freenas uses an unmodified freebsd 8.x kernel, and just has a heavily stripped down userland |
| [14:57:05] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to set up a new jail, install freebsd into it, and all the necessary dependencies for myth, and myth itself |
| [14:57:32] | Unguided: | I have been trying to figure this out for weeks and you figure it out in minutes. wagnerrp you are a flippin genius |
| [14:57:34] | wagnerrp: | but, if youve never used freebsd before, that may be a bit of work to figure out |
| [14:58:24] | Unguided: | Im willing to do the work. |
| [14:58:26] | wagnerrp: | as freebsd is far different in design than ubuntu |
| [14:59:29] | wagnerrp: | there is one complication with HDHRs and jails |
| [15:00:00] | wagnerrp: | jails just operate on a network alias on the local network cards, meaning it doesnt have access to broadcast traffic, disabling the auto-detection of the HDHRs |
| [15:00:37] | wagnerrp: | i use a custom kernel with a virtual network stack to bridge in my mythbackend jail to the network to bypass this |
| [15:00:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if that could be done easily on freenas |
| [15:01:17] | wagnerrp: | autodetection used to be required a while back when mythtv could not properly use all the tuners of an HDHR when defined by IP, but it should not be a problem now |
| [15:03:10] | Unguided: | So i would have to direct mythv to the HDHR by ip address is what you are saying? What about just installing freebas on the computer and doing it that way dumping freenas all together? |
| [15:03:13] | wagnerrp: | if you want, ive still got my old buildslave from freebsd 8.2 floating around |
| [15:03:31] | wagnerrp: | i could tar that up and punt it over to you as a base to play with |
| [15:04:05] | wagnerrp: | just unpack it to a new zfs partition, and run 'jail' to spawn it |
| [15:04:06] | Unguided: | That would be awesome. I can run that in a virtual machine to not screw it up |
| [15:04:18] | wagnerrp: | not virtual machine, jail |
| [15:04:41] | Unguided: | thats what I meant |
| [15:04:51] | wagnerrp: | it runs on the same kernel, and uses no virtualized hardware, so there is only minimal overhead |
| [15:06:21] | Unguided: | Thats sweet. I would be very appreciative |
| [15:07:51] | wagnerrp: | ok, need to strip out all the assorted cruft |
| [15:08:00] | wagnerrp: | im not sending you an 8GB folder, not on my connection |
| [15:09:06] | Unguided: | Thats kewl. Whatever you want to send |
| [15:12:27] | Unguided: | im a newb so i guess i will have to use youtube google and buy a general unix book |
| [15:15:30] | wagnerrp: | no, most of the stuff is the same as in linux, but configuration is handled slightly differently, and package managers are always different |
| [15:16:03] | wagnerrp: | and a "general unix book" isnt going to help with configuration or package managers |
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| [15:21:29] | Unguided: | I did find the freebsd handbook on the web. it appears to be an online guide. its at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo . . . k/index.html will this be a good resource? |
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| [15:25:09] | wagnerrp: | good enough |
| [15:25:43] | wagnerrp: | ive got it down to 1.6GB, which is about as far as i can go without starting to rip out things like documentation and man pages |
| [15:26:01] | wagnerrp: | you will need to install mysql server still (or you can probably find a pluggable one for freenas) |
| [15:26:15] | Unguided: | sweet. Hold on. Let me log out and relogin on my desktop computer. Be right back |
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| [15:29:39] | Unguided: | wagnerp: Im back. Sorry about that |
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| [15:29:55] | wagnerrp: | note, this will unpack INTO THE CURRENT DIRECTORY |
| [15:30:06] | wagnerrp: | so do it in a proper location |
| [15:30:06] | Unguided: | Ok |
| [15:31:28] | wagnerrp: | its from my old buildslave, so its running 8.1 or 8.2 (cant remmeber), and it has a month old copy of trunk installed |
| [15:31:48] | Unguided: | OK |
| [15:32:06] | wagnerrp: | enough for some testing, but youll want to update it from source, or try the mythtv port (ive never personally used it) |
| [15:32:30] | Unguided: | OK |
| [15:32:49] | Unguided: | Ok. sorry. Im shouting. |
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| [15:46:39] | Unguided: | wagnerrp: how are you going to punt that to me? |
| [15:46:53] | wagnerrp: | like that |
| [15:48:03] | Unguided: | I had just hit enter asking when you did that. Thank you. |
| [15:48:23] | wagnerrp: | well i sent it like 10 seconds after i saw your message |
| [15:48:46] | wagnerrp: | had to recompress when i found i forgot to clear out /tmp |
| [15:50:02] | Unguided: | I see. Im probably killing you rbadwidth now |
| [15:51:08] | wagnerrp: | well i did offer |
| [15:51:23] | wagnerrp: | should be 1:45 or so to complete |
| [15:52:15] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, that should have all the necessary prereqs installed to run mythtv, except for a mysql server |
| [15:52:44] | Unguided: | You have become my hero. Thats why I switched to my desktop instead of my lappy |
| [15:54:08] | Unguided: | I didnt know I could install mythtv in freenas Guess I should have thought about that more and asked more questions |
| [15:55:40] | wagnerrp: | unpack it somewhere, create a new network alias for it (ifconfig <nic> +alias <192.168.xxx.xxx> netmask 255.255.255.255), spawn the jail (jail </path/to/folder> mythbackend <alias_ip_address> "/bin/sh /etc/rc"), and then enter it (jexec <jailid> /bin/tcsh) |
| [15:56:18] | wagnerrp: | ive been running my backend on freebsd for several years now, but ive never actually tried freenad |
| [15:56:20] | wagnerrp: | freenas |
| [15:56:24] | ** wagnerrp heads out to lunch ** | |
| [15:58:30] | Unguided: | Enjoy. Thaanks again |
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| [16:46:55] | Pluribus: | Good morning all. Just wanted to ask who I should ask to assist in troubleshooting a minor issue with MythVideo and Parental Controls with current git version? |
| [16:50:18] | Pluribus: | (I set the family room FE to default to Level 2, however when go to Media Library -> Watch Videos, I see no videos available, then it fills it in with level 0 (ZERO). I can select anything but 2 get it to reload and then select 2 again and it is correct. |
| [16:51:05] | Pluribus: | Thoughts? |
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| [17:08:11] | xavierh: | How to start playing a recordings using the Service API? I guess I have to use SendAction but I need more details to get me started |
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| [17:23:35] | bill6502: | Pluribus: Sounds like the reverse of what you wrote, but could ticket #10388 be what you're seeing? |
| [17:23:35] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10388 ** | |
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| [17:27:24] | Pluribus: | The Additional note from bhuffman is EXACTLY what I see. |
| [17:28:45] | Pluribus: | but yes, that is it... I see level "0" and all files, until I change level and change back, then all is fine, UNTIL I leave "Watch Videos" and go back in, then it resets to 0 |
| [17:29:18] | Pluribus: | The first part appears to just be the part while it is populating the FE with data from the DB. |
| [17:29:38] | Pluribus: | (IE – The "no videos available" part) |
| [17:30:55] | Pluribus: | At least I know a bug has been filed on it. I wont add my "me too" (bad form) but if there is added info I can collect to make it easier to find and kill, then I will |
| [17:31:58] | Pluribus: | Let me dig through the commits from around then and see if I find what did it. |
| [17:33:14] | oobe: | anyone tried out 3d sbs on .25? |
| [17:33:33] | bill6502: | Pluribus: Maybe I can save you some time, I already put a suggested patch on the -dev list here: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/20 . . . /071892.html |
| [17:35:29] | Pluribus: | That said, let me say, THANK YOU to all, Just got a Prime, not sure how I ever managed MythTV without it :-) Works like a charm and Myth support was seamless. |
| [17:36:52] | Pluribus: | bill6502: That looks like it. I will try it out and let you know. |
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| [18:08:08] | wagnerrp: | jya: yeah, just the 'php' missing at the top... looks to be fixed now |
| [18:12:33] | wagnerrp: | Unguided: looks like youre finished? were all these download restarts something on my end, or just some weird quirk of this "FDM" application? |
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| [19:08:39] | Pluribus: | bill6502: Your patch does correct #10388 |
| [19:08:39] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10388 ** | |
| [19:08:53] | Pluribus: | Thank you very much. |
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| [19:57:47] | bill6502: | Pluribus: Thanks for testing. Since its not my ticket and I don't actually use the feature, that's good input. I'll reply to the ticket owner on the -users list later on. |
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| [20:03:34] | america: | should i use VDPAU or high quality profile for playback? |
| [20:04:26] | wagnerrp: | depends on your hardware |
| [20:05:09] | america: | i have a core i7 and an nvidia mdt x5 video card |
| [20:06:04] | wagnerrp: | the 'VDPAU High Quality" profile will work just fine |
| [20:06:29] | wagnerrp: | or you can make your own profile using opengl and the 'Standard' (software) decoder |
| [20:06:48] | america: | would that be better? |
| [20:07:17] | wagnerrp: | your choice, VDPAU is going to be a lot more efficient, and lets your CPU idle |
| [20:07:34] | wagnerrp: | but its going to be a lot less robust than the software decoder, and may struggle on some content |
| [20:08:21] | america: | i'll stick with vdpau then |
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| [22:50:32] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: it looks like the initial connection to the backend fails, causing the frontend to start tearing itself down |
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| [22:50:49] | wagnerrp: | and something backendconnectionmanager expects to exists is gone, triggering a segfault |
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| [22:50:59] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps something the threadpool expects |
| [22:51:23] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:51:46] | Beirdo: | but it would be good if the reporter could TELL us so we don't have to guess |
| [22:52:04] | Beirdo: | I think stuartm was going to look at the startup |
| [22:52:32] | Beirdo: | the second of those tickets clearly says over and over that it can't connect to the database too |
| [22:53:44] | wagnerrp: | the upstream tickets doesnt say either |
| [22:53:58] | wagnerrp: | best i can tell, it looks like an auto-generated ticket on their end |
| [22:55:48] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i wanted to put something like that in mythtv, hooked up to trac's json-rpc interface |
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| [22:58:53] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [22:59:06] | Beirdo: | so we can have MORE crappy auto-reported crashes? |
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| [22:59:39] | wagnerrp: | no, it would require the user to write their own description and everything |
| [22:59:53] | wagnerrp: | it would just automatically go out and grab things like logs and crash umps |
| [23:00:25] | wagnerrp: | (and properly attach the version info as a god damned file) |
| [23:00:29] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [23:00:41] | Beirdo: | Hmm, yeah, could be useful, but still... we will likely get a lot more dupes |
| [23:00:50] | Beirdo: | but I guess that's better than no reports at all |
| [23:01:55] | wagnerrp: | well thats because we would get dupes from people who would have never reported the failure otherwise |
| [23:02:08] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [23:02:09] | wagnerrp: | and if they had, wouldnt have taken the time to check for an existing ticket anyway |
| [23:02:16] | Beirdo: | quite likely :) |
| [23:03:48] | wagnerrp: | i could always add some sort of search mechanism |
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| [23:46:15] | autojack: | I was hoping to use mythtv with a touch screen to make a little mp3 jukebox, but it looks like the touch/mouse support isn't implemented everywhere in 0.24. I have this memory that someone said it would be more complete in 0.25. is that right? |
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| [23:47:40] | [R]: | i havent heard anythinga bout mouse support |
| [23:48:03] | [R]: | myth is a dvr, not an mp3 player |
| [23:48:04] | autojack: | hmm |
| [23:48:24] | autojack: | well... it does HAVE an mp3 player :) |
| [23:48:50] | [R]: | it also has a web browser |
| [23:48:53] | [R]: | its still a dvr... |
| [23:49:07] | autojack: | do you know of something else that would be a better choice for this? I happened to hit on mythtv because I already have a backend in another room with all my MP3s on it. |
| [23:49:34] | [R]: | this is #mythtv-users not #randomotherstuff-users |
| [23:49:46] | tgm4883: | IIRC there was a way to view the mouse pointer |
| [23:49:52] | tgm4883: | I don't recall where it is though |
| [23:50:09] | autojack: | mmm. when _I_ don't know the answer to something, I just say "I don't know," rather than be a snarky tool. |
| [23:50:25] | tgm4883: | wtf |
| [23:50:46] | tgm4883: | I'm hoping that wasn't in response to me |
| [23:50:54] | autojack: | tgm4883: yeah that gives you access to the pointer but some parts of the mythtv UI don't respond to mouse inputs. |
| [23:51:01] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [23:51:02] | autojack: | tgm4883: er no it wasn't :) |
| [23:51:34] | wagnerrp: | autojack: there is touch support in 0.24 and 0.25 |
| [23:51:38] | wagnerrp: | but its only half written |
| [23:52:02] | wagnerrp: | it recognizes gestures, but its missing the code to actually hook that into events |
| [23:52:27] | autojack: | wagnerrp: yeah, I have 0.24.0 right now, the mouse inputs seem to let me navigate around a bit but not perform some other actions. |
| [23:52:48] | autojack: | so I can nav into the music player but can't really select music or play anything. |
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| [23:55:13] | kisak: | Mr. wagnerrp, would you be around? |
| [23:55:26] | ** wagnerrp hides ** | |
| [23:55:29] | autojack: | wagnerrp: so it sounds like there aren't any big changes in 0.25 regarding mouse support etc? |
| [23:55:39] | wagnerrp: | autojack: correct |
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| [23:56:52] | autojack: | OK. |
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| [23:58:24] | kisak: | the third dotted field in mythtv's log folder, what is that? |
| [23:59:10] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [23:59:27] | kisak: | appname.runtime.something.log |
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