Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, April 5th, 2012, 00:03 UTC

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jya:

anyone knows how to select what audio output device to use with ffplay ? 15 minutes of googling has yield nothing :(

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skd5aner:

justinh: btw, Chuck had their series finale a few months ago

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jams:

is that season worth watching?

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jams:

recorded it..but have yet to watch the last season of chuck

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skd5aner:

no clue, I've watched about half of the episodes ever – my wife is the watcher and is about 2 seasons behind

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wagnerrp:

wait, i thought keanu was the watcher

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jams:

the 4th season didn't impress me, so I never watched the last

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** skd5aner queues the "I know kung fu" jokes **

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knightr:

.0

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jya:

skd5aner: I thought I read that chuck was extended for another season

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jya:

I wonder what's in this TV series other than the very hot girls

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wagnerrp:

yeah, extended for a fifth season

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wagnerrp:

and that was like a year and a half ago

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wagnerrp:

they very definitively ended it

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jams:

funny..i bring the new smoon online and before I get a chance to test anything a profile gets submitted.

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wagnerrp:

looks like there were too many values for it to unpack

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jams:

yeah i am aware

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jams:

was even expecting it..just wanted to make sure it started

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clever:

thats a first, my dead recording is due to a dead STB!

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clever:

STB wont power on, front panel just blinks for a moment every ~30 sec

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NewBuntu81:

RagingMind, I have the NVIDIA 2.80 drivers installed.

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Bix:

i want to be able to hear sound from multiple sources. My alsa config allows me to do this (using dmix) but when mythtv is playing audio it seems to lock the pcm slave device and I cant play multiple streams. Any ideas?

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Bix:

nvm... its a permissions issue. I can mix as long as the programs run under the user mythtv who owns the ipc keys

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jya:

Bix: configure myth to use the dmix device rather than the pcm one

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NewBuntu81:

Can i run mythbuntu 10.10 on one machine and 11.04 on another?

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NewBuntu81:

And if I do, will the 10.10 machine connect ok and not corrupt the master database?

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wagnerrp:

as long as you run the same version of mythtv on both

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NewBuntu81:

ok. so i can upgrade mythbuntu 10.10 to mythtv 0.24 and all should be well?

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adam_112:

I'm having problems running livetv the progarm start then freezes after 5–10 seconds then errors. I've posted all the logs @ http://pastebin.com/BW6BXe8Z . Could somebody please give me an assist.

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rileyp:

adam_112: do you have your recordings dir shared with samba

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adam_112:

do not.

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adam_112:

Ran the default mythbuntu x64 isinstall

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rileyp:

and its a combo fe/be?

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adam_112:

yes it is

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adam_112:

However, I have the same problem when I split the two.

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tgm4883:

I'm with rileyp on this (if you are going where I think you are), looks like the frontend can't keep up with the backend

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tgm4883:

is this HD content?

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adam_112:

No. SD

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adam_112:

The machine is a Dual core.

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tgm4883:

hmm

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adam_112:

That is what has me perplexed. From the specs area I seem to have plenty of power.

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tgm4883:

adam_112, have you tested 0.25 yet?

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adam_112:

Running is now. At least I think so. Please check the logs

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wagnerrp:

yeah, rc-126

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adam_112:

The problem is the same on .24 latest. I upgraded in the hope that it would help.

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adam_112:

Appreciate you guys giving me an assist.

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adam_112:

I've tried with both a 8400gs and 290 quadro same results

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adam_112:

Can we tell from the logs – Is the backend getting the stream quick enough from the hd homerun pime?

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adam_112:

That is the only thing I can think of.

[14:50:55]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: you might want to check near the bottom of the .Xsession logs

[14:51:04]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, yea I saw that

[14:51:06]

wagnerrp:

'WARNING: Error importing plugin mythbuntu-bare'

[14:51:27]

adam_112:

Okay what does that mean and is it important?

[14:51:28]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, known issue, it's fixed in the latest upload which should happen in 2 days

[14:51:36]

tgm4883:

adam_112, unrelated

[14:51:42]

adam_112:

okay.

[14:52:23]

wagnerrp:

adam_112: does the backend ever produce this '/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1102_20120404225326.mpg'?

[14:52:44]

wagnerrp:

youll have to be quick about it, as any livetv sessions <2 minutes are summarily deleted

[14:52:53]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt wait for the default 24 hours before flushing it off the system

[14:53:07]

adam_112:

It must because I can play livetv for 5–10 seconds before it freezes

[14:53:59]

wagnerrp:

ah, right... you said that

[14:54:22]

adam_112:

Isn't livetv just a 'delayed' recorded playback.

[14:55:21]

wagnerrp:

yes

[14:55:57]

adam_112:

Okay can we verify from the logs that the backend is getting enough data to send to the frontend?

[14:56:12]

rileyp:

adam_112: if you have nvidia why are you Using the Qt painter

[14:56:30]

wagnerrp:

not the problem

[14:56:36]

rileyp:

ok

[14:56:39]

wagnerrp:

unrelated, but you only have one hard drive installed?

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wagnerrp:

adam_112: when you defined this HDHRP, did you use the IP address or let it autodetect?

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rileyp:

adam are there play pack issues with recordings or if you pause live tv for about 20 seconds then start it

[15:10:43]

adam_112:

I've only one hd. I used the IP address

[15:11:03]

adam_112:

Not sure Rileyp

[15:11:06]

wagnerrp:

try letting it autodetect

[15:11:27]

wagnerrp:

there have been issues in the past with direct use of IP addresses, but those *should* all be resolved

[15:11:43]

adam_112:

how do I let it auto detect?

[15:12:04]

adam_112:

If you mean using the 438894784–0 number I've done that also.

[15:12:28]

adam_112:

One thing that is really weird. Myth only picks up 2 of the 3 tuners.

[15:12:44]

adam_112:

The prime tool in X does show all three.

[15:13:39]

wagnerrp:

in 0.24, it would only pick up two of the three tuners, because it didnt know there was an HDHomeRun that had three tuners

[15:13:46]

adam_112:

Okay.

[15:13:47]

wagnerrp:

it assumed they all had two

[15:13:53]

wagnerrp:

in 0.25, that is fixed

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adam_112:

gotcha

[15:14:07]

wagnerrp:

try deleting the tuners, and adding them back using autodetection

[15:14:15]

adam_112:

I'll do that.

[15:14:24]

wagnerrp:

and then just link them up to your existing video source

[15:15:00]

adam_112:

Okay. nothing else in the logs stands out?

[15:16:27]

wagnerrp:

theres some errors in the backend logs, but i dont think they would be fatal errors that would cause termination of the recording

[15:16:46]

adam_112:

dang. The backend isn't starving?

[15:17:34]

wagnerrp:

if the backend had terminated the recording because it was 'starving', it would either be reporting that "i took a long time (X ms) to write Y bytes"

[15:17:46]

adam_112:

k

[15:17:50]

wagnerrp:

or the signal quality monitor would report a bunch of bad frames

[15:18:07]

wagnerrp:

as far as i can tell, everything on the backend appears to be working properly

[15:18:13]

wagnerrp:

until it just suddenly stops receiving any data

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adam_112:

like the prime stop sending?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know

[15:22:11]

wagnerrp:

last time, the issue was that mythtv would send instructions to the wrong tuner

[15:22:36]

wagnerrp:

so mythtv trying to fiddle with tuner 1 would actually be fiddling with tuner 0

[15:22:44]

wagnerrp:

and if tuner 0 was already recording... bad juju

[15:23:17]

wagnerrp:

without any other ideas, its something to try

[15:23:26]

adam_112:

Okay. Maybe I should just try setting up one tuner.

[15:25:40]

wagnerrp:

well theres no indication youre doing anything to the other tuners

[15:25:47]

adam_112:

Really want to get this working. If I can it seems like it would be the cats meow

[15:25:50]

wagnerrp:

it was just something to try, lacking any other ideas

[15:25:55]

adam_112:

Okay.

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rileyp:

adam_112: ensure mythtv is a member of the audio group I think my mythbuntu had an issue with that. type groups mythtv Im not saying this is the problem its just a suggestion Is this a problem wagnerrp GetPCMInfo) ALSA: snd_pcm_info_get_card: Operation not permitted

[15:26:58]

adam_112:

WHen you say stops receiving data what do you mean? The prime stopped sending or the backend stop requesting.

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adam_112:

WIll do Rileyp

[15:29:27]

wagnerrp:

adam_112: either, im just taking shots in the dark

[15:29:45]

adam_112:

Okay. :)

[15:34:24]

adam_112:

How about – HDHRSH(192.168.2.188–2): DeviceSet(vchannel 29): ERROR: invalid virtual channel

[15:34:37]

wagnerrp:

are you ever trying to use channel 29?

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adam_112:

I think that is the 'default' channel. It isn't the one I'm testing with.

[15:35:58]

wagnerrp:

the default channel gets automatically updated on each successful tune

[15:37:28]

adam_112:

I tried to turn up logging, based on what you see was I successful?

[15:37:59]

wagnerrp:

i dont see any glaring errors in those logs

[15:39:10]

rileyp:

his xorg looks identical to mine

[15:39:26]

adam_112:

are other people using the HD prime CC unit?

[15:39:28]

rileyp:

less the res selection

[15:42:37]

rileyp:

adam_112: are you usimg hdmi audio?

[15:42:50]

adam_112:

I don't want to at this point.

[15:43:04]

adam_112:

I'm using a vga cable.

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rileyp:

thats fine

[15:45:31]

adam_112:

I'm using a cisco switch that has spanning tree setup could that be the issue?

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rileyp:

adam_112: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:JudderFree make yourself a nice xorg.conf as well will improve playback

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keith4:

if you use find_orphans, is that the equiv of "delete"? or "delete + rerecord"?

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . hans.py#L220 ... rec.delete(True, True)

[16:34:17]

wagnerrp:

seems thats a "delete + rerecord"

[16:34:36]

wagnerrp:

thats for recordings with no files

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wagnerrp:

files with no recordings are just summarily deleted

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keith4:

ah, excellent

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keith4:

thanks!

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kmcorbett:

adam_112 i'm using mythtv 0.25 on Ubuntu with HD prime with CC. look for me later, we can compare notes.

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DarthFrog:

wagnerrp: Good morning. Do you recall our conversation of a few days ago about control of audio in Myth and that I was seeking a solution to Myth resetting the audio after viewing any recording/video? well I solved it, based on an idea you generated.

[17:53:11]

DarthFrog:

I went through all the audio settings on the frontend and noticed that the master volume setting was where the volume was being reset to. that, of course, was an "Aha!" moment. Quickly accompanied by a "Doh!" moment for not finding it much earlier. :-)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Gentoo'ed again!

[18:20:38]

wagnerrp:

so the user has to get the gcc ebuild maintainers to fix things?

[18:20:44]

sphery:

(where "Gentoo'ed" isn't necessarily saying it's Gentoo that caused the problem, but a central tenet of Gentoo's design)

[18:21:03]

sphery:

assuming the gcc ebuild is borked, and it's not just a user passing use flags he shouldn't be to the ebuild

[18:21:22]

sphery:

or a user cross compiling incorrectly and "leaking" host information into the build

[18:21:36]

sphery:

(cross compiling the OS/compiler for his C3 that is)

[18:22:02]

sphery:

I outlined a couple of workarounds (where one is dead simple) he can use

[18:22:21]

sphery:

but don't think it's worth adding a --use-old-proc-opt argument to configure for a broken system

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sphery:

wagnerrp: would be interesting to get Simon to run the same gcc lines on his system and see if it's also borked

[18:25:08]

chembrow:

anyone here from the UK experiencing any peculiarities with freeview?

[18:25:13]

sphery:

the GCC lines in one of the quoted sections at http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/20 . . . /072079.html

[18:26:08]

sphery:

chembrow: I'm not UK, so don't know much, but I will mention (in case you forgot/didn't realize) that the digital-TV changeover just happened, yesterday, so rescanning seems to be required for about everyone

[18:26:27]

sphery:

or analog shutoff or whatever they call it

[18:26:49]

chembrow:

sphery, that's part of the problem. I've done a rescan and it comes up saying that many of my channels are off air, removes them then re-adds them

[18:27:25]

chembrow:

I can watch the new channels live, but trying to record from them via the guide they just come up as "tuning" and don't record

[18:27:55]

sphery:

sounds like you have "shadow" channels--i.e. duplicate channels where they're not necessarily properly connected

[18:28:23]

sphery:

there were some threads on -users list where UK'ers were discussing rescanning and how to make it work

[18:28:46]

chembrow:

I've looked in the database, and there are only 2 entries – one for dvb-t and one for the pvr-250, as expected

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chembrow:

I might try killing the tuner and rescanning completely. thx

[18:32:12]

sphery:

yeah, might want to try a "Delete all video sources", then reconfigure them

[18:32:23]

sphery:

that will clear out everything and then start "fresh"

[18:32:37]

sphery:

can't find the threads I was thinking of

[18:33:09]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/510920#510920 has some

[18:33:12]

chembrow:

thanks

[18:33:18]

sphery:

was thinking there was another

[18:34:07]

sphery:

unfortunately, though, there's not a good description of how to use the scanner, anywhere

[18:34:24]

chembrow:

my main switch over was actually a few months back but they retuned (again) recently.

[18:34:31]

chembrow:

I'll keep poking

[18:56:50]

sphery:

I'm feeling a bit less human, now, as I've failed yet another CAPTCHA test

[19:02:55]

sphery:

skd5aner: makes me wonder what Nokia's official position on pronunciation is :)

[19:03:58]

skd5aner:

I don't know, but probably sounds really weird in English since it's a Finish company

[19:04:19]

skd5aner:

Finish = "Of Finland" right?

[19:04:21]

sphery:

hehe

[19:04:39]

sphery:

I think there are 2 n's, but I got your meaning

[19:11:43]

sphery:

:q

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sphery:

oops

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chembrow:

thanks sphery, deleted the video source, re-created from scratch and it's working. stupid digital switchover :)

[19:16:36]

wagnerrp:

sphery: so that brings up another request

[19:17:02]

wagnerrp:

on gentoo, common behavior is to define your CPU, MARCH, and other such options directly

[19:17:11]

wagnerrp:

and let all your applications be compiled against that

[19:17:34]

wagnerrp:

right now, the ebuilds simply ignore that and call '--enable-proc-opts'

[19:18:32]

wagnerrp:

now im not about to stop that, and use the portage options, just because some user wants to go over-optimize things willy nilly

[19:18:44]

wagnerrp:

but there is good reason to allow it for purposes of cross compilation

[19:19:06]

wagnerrp:

i.e. mounting some other machines's root over NFS, chrooting, and building new binaries

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wagnerrp:

im wondering if a good compromise would be comparing the user-defined arch with the gcc selected one

[19:21:08]

wagnerrp:

and automatically enabling cross-compilation if they differ

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sphery:

seems reasonable, though the checks we use change with ffmpeg sync's, so might have to update it relatively frequently

[19:22:33]

sphery:

and note that when you specify --cpu, we no longer do our "and all the rest that goes with that"

[19:23:25]

wagnerrp:

im just a bit concerned about having something like 'forcecpu'

[19:23:47]

wagnerrp:

with every gentoo denizen and their brother abusing it needlessly

[19:23:58]

sphery:

i.e. you'd have to explictly handle other options like tune and arch and probably thinks like mmx and sse and pic an d...

[19:24:05]

sphery:

yeah

[19:24:29]

sphery:

does ebuild allow cross compiling with the --enable-cross-compile and --cross-prefix stuff?

[19:24:34]

sphery:

if so, perhaps it's better as is

[19:24:35]

wagnerrp:

presumably, if the user supplied that, they would also supply all those other compile options

[19:24:52]

wagnerrp:

i dont know

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sphery:

I prefer that cpu/tune/arch is never used without --enable-cross-compile

[19:25:28]

sphery:

though don't know if I could convince others

[19:25:49]

wagnerrp:

tc-is-cross-compiler... fancy that!

[19:26:37]

sphery:

in theory, the only difference would be that packagers (who generally use --cpu and such properly) would just add the --enable-cross-compile stuff, if we changed configure to ignore --cpu and such without --enable-cross-compile

[19:26:42]

sphery:

Beirdo: thoughts ^^^?

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wagnerrp:

Cardoe: thoughts ^^^?

[19:31:19]

wagnerrp:

yikes, someone running 0.25 with a BT848 and an MX440

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sphery:

hehe

[19:31:32]

wagnerrp:

i think i scrapped my -440 in like 2006

[19:31:49]

sphery:

on a P4 2GHz, right?

[19:33:22]

wagnerrp:

"USB 1.1 Controller"... im thinking P3

[19:35:17]

wagnerrp:

most running Qt 4.7 and MySQL 5.1

[19:35:24]

wagnerrp:

a couple running 4.8 and 5.5

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wagnerrp:

one user running 'Unknown' mythtv on an 'Unknown' branch, and 'Unknown' qt version

[19:35:51]

wagnerrp:

... fancy

[19:36:39]

wagnerrp:

two users running zero video sources, and '/bin/true' for their data grabber

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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sphery:

how do you have a grabber without a video source...

[19:38:14]

sphery:

weird

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wagnerrp:

ill have to look at my code

[19:38:58]

wagnerrp:

how do you run the frontend without a backend because you dont have a video source?

[19:39:13]

wagnerrp:

i guess the frontend can trigger the profiler without connecting to the backend

[19:40:03]

wagnerrp:

86 tuners, 2 V2L, and 1 Freebsd

[19:40:34]

wagnerrp:

56 digital tuners and 20 HDHRs between 16 hosts... i bet i never accounted for virtual tuners

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ill need to make it filter out unique 'videodevice'

[19:43:39]

wagnerrp:

right now, the query is just 'select cardtype, count(cardtype) from capturecard group by cardtype'

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jams:

wagnerrp- it's a p4 with the mx440. Noticed it in the logs when it was submitted, thought it was amusing

[19:50:31]

sphery:

so likely a p4 with some usb 1.1 and some usb 2 ports

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wagnerrp:

jams: as we tweak this stuff, the new data will overwrite the old, and those "bad" values will get flushed out?

[19:51:23]

jams:

wagnerrp- yep

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jams:

for the virtual tuners, wasn't for sure that was by design or not

[19:52:12]

jams:

could see it both ways

[19:52:40]

wagnerrp:

if we want virtual tuners, id rather have a 'average virtual tuners per digital input'

[19:52:50]

wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/NHL61F4h

[19:53:28]

jams:

that would make sense

[19:54:54]

wagnerrp:

i may as well just put that in now

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jams:

the majority of the DVB tuners are 2 profiles. one has 12 the other has 16

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wagnerrp:

so looks like DVB, HDHOMERUN, and ASI support virtual tuners

[20:03:53]

wagnerrp:

jams: http://pastebin.com/9NC10yzA

[20:04:20]

wagnerrp:

erm... no, got that slightly wrong

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wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/f9TnG7BN

[20:15:11]

tmkt:

hey hey..where is my username/password stored for installing jwplayer on mythtv?

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Captain_Murdoch:

it uses the default of admin/mythtv.

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Captain_Murdoch:

tmkt

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wagnerrp:

jams: ok, just committed a properly functioning version of that

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wagnerrp:

tuners now only returns counts of 'unique' tuners, and there is a vtpertuner float returned as well

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tmkt:

thanks

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wizbit:

i had to re-scan all my channels in the UK.

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wizbit:

since doing that i have lost icons for mythweb only, both frontends show tv icons fine

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wizbit:

i have: /var/www/private/mythweb/data/tv_icons all the icons here but mythweb does not show them

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sphery:

rm /var/www/private/mythweb/data/tv_icons/*

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sphery:

and then ensure that they're properly configured on your backend

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sphery:

using channel editor in mythtv-setup for example

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wizbit:

right ok, i thought you might say that

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wizbit:

i was hoping you would wave your magic wand so i could do little work as possbl

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sphery:

as little work as possible just means enjoy mythtv without channel icons :)

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wizbit:

aye good point

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Seeker`:

sphery: enjoy mythtv without icons?! ARE YOU INSANE?! :P

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sphery:

it's the "minimalist" view

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wizbit:

press * if you miss iamlindoro

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Cardoe:

wagnerrp: Its hardly a cross compiler when you're building gcc -march=k8 instead of gcc -march=native and native works out to be k10

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Cardoe:

That's a serious abuse of the term cross compiler.

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Cardoe:

But whatever floats your guys boat.

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Cardoe:

We can pass in --cross-compile

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