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Tuesday, March 27th, 2012, 00:01 UTC
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[00:13:19] Beirdo: OK, time to put this Monday out of its misery and go home.
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[02:10:00] wagnerrp: well that was one hell of a cliff hanger
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[02:24:11] Tom_: Hi guys, I'm trying to get Mythweb working with nginx and php-fpm following the instructions here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb_on_Nginx. My nginx has been working well for a while and I've tested it with a simple php "hello world", which works alright, but mythweb gives me a blank page. There are no errors, nginx returns 200 when I ask it for mythweb. My configs are here: pastebin.ca/2132334http://pastebin.ca/2132334
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[02:41:15] sphery: wagnerrp: btw, thanks for handling the upgrade from pre-0.22 thread. (Haven't read it, yet, but figured sending what would almost definitely be my response ("As mentioned, this is something we used to do--the change was actually going so long (too long) between prunings.") without reading his manifesto would be dangerous--and would require me to actually be around to reply.)
[02:42:30] wagnerrp: the guy knows his stuff, but everything he writes reads like a manifesto, combined with his user name...
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[02:42:40] wagnerrp: ... its really hard not to be confrontational with him
[02:43:46] sphery: hehe yeah
[02:44:11] sphery: there are definitely differences, though--everything from qt-mysql chaning to always use prepared statements
[02:44:23] sphery: to our chaning to use separate db connections for separate threads
[02:44:34] sphery: to mysql's changing locking and keywords and ...
[02:44:57] sphery: and we have better things to do than support some code that's not useful if you're running any not-ancient version of mythtv
[02:45:32] sphery: (not to mention bug fixes in qt-mysql drivers that change how our code behaves, depending on qt version)
[02:46:00] sphery: the right solution, though, is for him to upgrade or take his changes (and figure out his issues) laters
[02:46:09] wagnerrp: i would like to be able to support upgrades from such old versions if possible
[02:46:29] sphery: what benefit does it provide?
[02:46:33] wagnerrp: but if external factors break things, im not going to be the one to fix updating from several year old code
[02:46:44] wagnerrp: so i cant tell someone else they should either
[02:46:44] sphery: we don't support 0.18.1, so why should we support code that's only useful for people running it
[02:46:52] sphery: ahhh, I see... and, yeah
[02:46:54] sphery: I agree
[02:47:04] sphery: "would be nice in an ideal (unchanging) world"
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[04:24:50] Twiggy2cents: Stupid MythTV, should of known that the backends NTP was screwed up and the time was wrong. Clearly a mythtv fault@
[04:25:53] wagnerrp: clearly
[04:26:15] wagnerrp: actually, it will warn you when your clocks start to diverge by a few tens of seconds
[04:26:22] wagnerrp: and at a few minutes, will simply refuse to connect
[04:26:30] Twiggy2cents: It was 19 minutes off
[04:26:42] Twiggy2cents: I hadnt tried to connect until now though
[04:26:52] wagnerrp: yeah, any slave backends or remote frontends will refuse to function in that event
[04:27:10] Twiggy2cents: Ohh well it was only 2 recordings that I believe I can get on hulu
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[04:58:43] operat0r: so... I am missing something ... http://rmccurdy.com/stuff/mythtv.txt
[04:59:16] operat0r: no other devices in /dev/dvb/
[04:59:23] operat0r: so not sure WTF is going on
[05:01:37] operat0r: DeviceZer0:
[05:02:12] operat0r: DeviceZer0: reboot ? what did you update last ? libs ? mythtv ? did you run the checkdb script ?
[05:02:31] operat0r: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/maintenance/optimize_mythdb.pl
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[07:07:23] justinh: well, I got the scheduler down to around 7 seconds by reducing the number of recordings per tuner to 2
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[07:08:03] justinh: I could maybe improve that further with mysql tuning but I don't really know what I'm doing there
[07:09:06] justinh: I think the times I've really noticed the scheduler was quick, was when I used to use EIT exclusively on demo boxes
[07:09:27] justinh: with that there's much less data to crunch. shorter descriptions and only 7 days' data
[07:10:17] justinh: well that & the systems were always very new so didn't have (m)any recordings
[07:11:30] justinh: maybe turning off duplicate checking (because it's pretty much useless in the UK) off would help
[07:14:54] justinh: anybody from the uk here using EIT exclusively? Just wondering if doing that really tightens up hitting programme start/end times
[07:15:41] justinh: I'm sick to death of having to pad 5 minutes or more either side, and this on channels with no live content
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[07:16:10] justinh: CBeebies starts at 7am every day & yet the shows in the morning always have the last few minutes cut off because they start late
[07:16:40] Scopeuk: justinh, i run eit only
[07:17:21] justinh: Scopeuk: how spot-on are recording start times with it enabled?
[07:17:24] Scopeuk: i've found that even with the system clock synced to dvb time I loose 2 minutes or so at the end sometimes if I don't add overrun
[07:17:29] justinh: argh
[07:17:40] justinh: standalone PVRs can do this, why can't myth yet?
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[07:18:24] Scopeuk: think in its a case of getting the clock just right, but as I say I sync mine to dvbtime assuming that would be my best bet
[07:18:29] justinh: my Dad's crappy Humax thing – all his recordings start with the channel bumper & straight into the show
[07:18:56] justinh: ntp ftw
[07:19:06] Scopeuk: wonder if its doing anything clever, eg looking for a frame jump
[07:19:17] justinh: dvb time should be pretty darn close to ntp time though
[07:19:19] Scopeuk: yeh i wasw using ntp before got the missed endings and switched to dvb time
[07:19:23] Scopeuk: it is
[07:19:33] justinh: the multiplexes use GPS
[07:19:49] justinh: GPS time keeps em in sync
[07:20:06] justinh: clever, but a bit silly relying on it
[07:20:40] justinh: Scopeuk: so start/end times were ok when you were on ntp?
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[07:21:22] justinh: eew
[07:21:30] justinh: date && dvbdate
[07:21:30] justinh: Tue Mar 27 08:22:36 BST 2012
[07:21:31] justinh: Tue Mar 27 08:21:11 2012
[07:22:04] justinh: holy poo
[07:22:16] justinh: turns out I'm not using ntp. WTH?!
[07:22:46] justinh: I thought all *buntu installs used ubuntu NTP by default
[07:23:19] Scopeuk: a common mistake
[07:23:30] Scopeuk: justinh, iirc dvbdate has a switch to set the clock
[07:23:57] Scopeuk: justinh, at one point it was fine
[07:24:32] justinh: pretty sure *buntu used to use NTP by default. doesn't even seem to have a setting now
[07:24:34] Scopeuk: i'm not entirely sure I'm not currently on a repeater and i might be loosing propegation delay over the towers pushing me out of sync
[07:26:06] Scopeuk: i've been meaning to track the live tv on the actual tv against ntp/atomic clock broadcast
[07:26:47] Scopeuk: any way got to run, let me know if you make any progress on this, it does interest me
[07:26:55] justinh: dvbdate is now only a couple of secs out
[07:27:19] justinh: didn't realise my time was so innacurate lol
[07:27:32] Scopeuk: cant help
[07:27:45] justinh: yup very true :-)
[07:39:53] justinh: hahaha Promise TV are making a STB
[07:40:52] justinh: their 'design house' looks just like er... a HOUSE
[07:41:28] justinh: and Channel Four have written to them objecting to a 24/7 all channel DVR which only cares about programming not channels? Boo
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[07:44:58] justinh: looking at the photo it seems they've used USB tuners. ruh-roh raggy
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[08:40:39] Scopeuk: but blackgold do a single low profile pcie card that does 3 dvbt2 muxes
[08:40:53] Scopeuk: shame about the price
[08:41:05] Scopeuk: and the linux support of the dual t2 dual s2 one
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[08:53:28] toeb: I'm looking for someone in charge of the eitfixup, or at least for someone having some experience with this fixup stuff
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[08:54:11] EvilGuru: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17494723 — talk about playing dirty...
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[08:57:20] toeb: I'm wondering if it was a good idea to do a database lookup in one of the fixup methods im implementing at the moment. I have on channel where the title of a program is "freetv premire" but there is almost always a later showing of the same Program (with the correct title) and the same description. So one could lookup the title of the show from the later showing..
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[10:46:26] k-man: what approach should i take to encode a bunch of a recordings to a suitable format for the ipad?
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[10:48:14] tank-man: lol
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[11:23:36] Tom_: <Tom_> Hi guys, I'm trying to get Mythweb working with nginx and php-fpm following the instructions here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb_on_Nginx. My nginx has been working well for a while and I've tested it with a simple php "hello world", which works alright, but mythweb gives me a blank page. There are no errors, nginx returns 200 when I ask it for mythweb. My configs are here: pastebin.ca/2132334
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[11:40:02] wagnerrp: k-man: the HLS in 0.25 was written specifically for things like the ipad
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[12:00:16] k-man: wagnerrp, unfortunately i'm not running .25 yet – but as it happens i found my wife has already got the videos encoded so i don't need to any more
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[12:00:51] k-man: but thats good to know it will be easier in .25. what does HLS stand for?
[12:02:08] wagnerrp: http live streaming
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[12:02:49] wagnerrp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming
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[12:04:27] k-man: wagnerrp, ah cool, thanks
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[12:04:45] wagnerrp: basically, its an up-and-coming industry standard for those types of things
[12:04:53] wagnerrp: more or less UPNP for mobile devices
[12:05:07] wagnerrp: but it would seem considerably better thought out
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[12:43:33] k-man: wagnerrp, but – that will be for streaming localy, not useful if you intend to take the videos with you?
[12:44:10] wagnerrp: streaming, not locally
[12:45:06] wagnerrp: however i believe it is possible to be re-purposed to produce single-file videos for offline use
[12:45:19] k-man: right
[12:45:45] wagnerrp: the exact syntax needed to push into mythtranscode to achieve that... i dont know
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[14:30:27] hashbang: Hmmmph, retuning for Mendip multiplex changes tomorrow. Yipppeee!
[14:30:47] hashbang: and again in 2013 to free up a frequency for 4G
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[14:35:27] operat0r: w00t
[14:36:11] operat0r: still cant figure out why I can scan any channels :( http://rmccurdy.com/stuff/mythtv.txt
[14:36:49] operat0r: I get standard ok just no digi from the card
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[15:01:58] wagnerrp: sphery: yikes... only $8K for the LG 55" OLED
[15:02:12] wagnerrp: of course how many thousands was Sony's little 11"?
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[15:47:08] EvilGuru: Hmm, mythtv 0.24 seems to hang while scanning a specific channel. I have tried two tuners now with the same outcome — how can I debug this?
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[16:07:01] Unguided: Hello all. CAn anyone tell me if mythtv can be ran backend only in a virtual machine?
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[16:09:09] wagnerrp: you could, but why would you want to?
[16:09:32] wagnerrp: theres no real point to doing so besides development/testing
[16:10:43] Unguided: wagnerrp: Just thought. Trying to condense my 9 running machines and get wife off of back. Will it take a huge performance hit doing it that way?
[16:11:00] wagnerrp: so condense your 9 running servers into one, finished
[16:11:08] wagnerrp: i dont get where virtual machines come into play here
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[16:15:29] Unguided: Nevermind. It just hit me what you were saying. I got it. The light bulb is off today. Sorry
[16:16:03] Unguided: Good intentions. Just hard headed.
[16:16:13] wagnerrp: assuming these machines are all running linux applications
[16:16:27] wagnerrp: theres no reason why those linux applications cant all be run on a single linux instance
[16:17:00] wagnerrp: and even if you want to put things into independent installs for convenience, you can do that something as simple as a chroot
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[16:17:50] Unguided: Gotcha. Like I said the light bulb is off today.
[16:18:04] wagnerrp: full machine virtualization is good for use when you need absolute isolation for security purposes, you need to run different operating systems, or you are doing development and expect to crash the system
[16:21:15] Unguided: Yeah. I just thought it might be easy to do. I see your point though
[16:21:35] wagnerrp: the bigger issue with VMs are all the complications that result from hardware access
[16:22:14] Unguided: Yeah. it takes one honker of a machine to run them all
[16:22:32] wagnerrp: im talking about tuners
[16:22:36] wagnerrp: mythtv needs tuners
[16:23:49] Unguided: right mine HD homerun prime tuners connected on the network. My cable provider does not flag anything. I thought with those it would be simple file transfer to the server
[16:26:59] operat0r: EvilGuru:  ?
[16:27:17] operat0r: Unguided: VM video or any streaming media is NOT RECOMENDED
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[16:30:26] Unguided: Okay. I got it.
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[16:36:22] wagnerrp: operat0r: are you talking about playback on a VM?
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[17:02:14] operat0r: wagnerrp: no trying to help Unguided I still have issues with scan / 5500 on digi / COAX cable / no cable box
[17:03:46] wagnerrp: operat0r: what i mean is its not inherently "bad" to run a server on a VM, you just have additional overhead, so if you compensate with more power, everything is fine
[17:04:05] wagnerrp: the issue is that one, its typically completely unnecessary, and two, you deal with all sorts of hardware access problems
[17:04:25] wagnerrp: which means playback is right out, and capture from anything besides network tuners is out as well
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[17:05:19] wagnerrp: on mythtvtalk, you mentioned you arent getting any channels with the command line utilities either?
[17:05:25] wagnerrp: are you sure the card is even functional?
[17:06:48] Unguided: Ok. I think I asked this before but cant remember the answer. I realize that zentyal is a perimeter server but can mythtv be installed on zentyal without breaking all kinds of stuff on zentyal or mythtv?
[17:07:25] Unguided: I was in a car accident and have not been able to even get on a computer let alone do research. Sorry for asking again if I have
[17:07:55] wagnerrp: the images on their front page look like logo-washed Dell machines
[17:08:37] wagnerrp: oh, zentyal is more a software company than hardware
[17:09:54] wagnerrp: mythtv is the absence of security
[17:10:04] wagnerrp: sticking it on your gateway is just simply a bad idea
[17:11:00] wagnerrp: although im of the school of thought that putting anything on your gateway besides firewall and possibly intrusion monitoring is a bad idea
[17:11:22] wagnerrp: less services means less that can potentially be compromised
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[17:16:09] Unguided: I understand. I would not be getting rid of my router just putting this box on to run mostly my internal network. Will they play nice together?
[17:16:50] wagnerrp: i have no idea
[17:16:59] wagnerrp: mythtv tends to keep to itself
[17:17:06] wagnerrp: but the same cannot be said for other applications
[17:17:20] Unguided: I guess thats where virtualbox comes in.
[17:17:32] Unguided: because I intend to break it.
[17:17:35] wagnerrp: something that is intended to be an appliance may pervasively control the system to such an extent that it is not usable
[17:18:14] Unguided: But may be worth the try. All it can do is jack up the virtual machine
[17:18:24] wagnerrp: presuming it doesnt do bad things with devfs, a chroot should be just as functional as a virtual machine
[17:18:49] Unguided: I will give it a try and let you know
[17:18:53] wagnerrp: do whatever you want in the chroot, and the shared libraries will be contained there
[17:19:08] Unguided: ok
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[17:25:50] operat0r: wagnerrp: yes it currey record standard TV
[17:27:20] wagnerrp: meaning analog? you dont want to bother with that
[17:27:38] wagnerrp: the -5500 is a framegrabber, meaning all compression and synchronization duties are done in software
[17:27:51] operat0r: wagnerrp: yes it records what I can assume is analog
[17:27:52] wagnerrp: its great for direct playback, but a hassle for anything mythtv does
[17:28:05] wagnerrp: (mythtv records everything)
[17:29:38] operat0r: I had a wintv card and go tthe 5500 because it was that I thought I needed to record the 'better looking channels' that I can assume is digital
[17:30:21] wagnerrp: specifically what wintv card?
[17:30:41] operat0r: I cant remember and its not importanted because i not longer have that card
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[17:31:08] operat0r: I got the 5500 because it was mythtv idiot proof from what I could read
[17:32:21] wagnerrp: assuming the digital side of the card works
[17:32:48] wagnerrp: youre not using it for analog while trying to scan digital are you?
[17:32:59] wagnerrp: that card has a single hybrid tuner
[17:33:01] operat0r: dtvscan works and I can/am currently recording STD or 'analog'
[17:33:10] wagnerrp: meaning it can only be used for digital or analog, not both at the same time
[17:33:17] operat0r: Good to know
[17:33:28] wagnerrp: and if you have it set up to use analog in mythtv
[17:33:32] operat0r: how do I make it tune to mo'perdy
[17:33:40] wagnerrp: you will need to use input groups to tell mythtv it cannot use both at the same time
[17:34:07] operat0r: if I cant even scan /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB
[17:34:10] wagnerrp: on mythtvtalk, you mentioned two other applications were also unable to scan digital channels on that card?
[17:34:12] operat0r: or w_scan -c US
[17:34:19] operat0r: its not a mythtv issue
[17:34:20] operat0r: ?
[17:34:21] wagnerrp: erm no... ATSC is broadcast
[17:34:28] wagnerrp: you want QAM256
[17:35:22] operat0r: EIA-542-HRC-center-frequencies-QAM256 EIA-542-IRC-center_frequencies-QAM256 HRC-center-frequencies-QAM256 IRC-center-frequencies-QAM256 Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 ?
[17:35:36] wagnerrp: just standard
[17:35:48] wagnerrp: chances are very low that you want HRC or IRC
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[17:39:20] EvilGuru: Seems one of the downsides of the UK digital switchover is that I now get multiple viable transmitters
[17:42:05] operat0r: still getting >>> tune to: *******:QAM_256 (tuning failed) and sometimes >>> tune to: 495000000:QAM_256
[17:42:08] operat0r: WARNING: filter timeout pid 0x1ffb
[17:44:59] EvilGuru: Bah! The 0.25 available in mythbuntu 12.04 has a different db schema version to that of Gentoo's 0.25 from the mythtv repo
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[17:45:28] operat0r: EvilGuru: run the video plugin it will audoupdate the DB
[17:45:37] operat0r: that is what I did
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[17:45:51] EvilGuru: operat0r: You'll need to explain that to me
[17:46:03] tgm4883: EvilGuru, I'd imagine that is part of running an unreleased version of MythTV
[17:46:06] wagnerrp: he means, i havent updated the ebuilds in the packaging repo in a while
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[17:46:22] operat0r: EvilGuru: when upgradeing I had issue but when I ran frontend and went into videos it asked if I wanted to update the DB
[17:46:23] wagnerrp: so the ebuilds currently there are apparently before the last database schema bump
[17:47:02] EvilGuru: wagnerrp: The frontend log seemed to indicate that the ebuild had a newer version than the backend
[17:47:17] wagnerrp: oh? that seems backwards
[17:47:25] EvilGuru: "Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1299"
[17:47:26] operat0r: Ohh this looks promising '[000b]:747000000:QAM_256:0:3392:11
[17:47:36] EvilGuru: Not allowed to upgrade the database.
[17:47:38] tgm4883: that does seem odd, since the mythbuntu builds should be from yesterday
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[17:47:46] dekarl: EvilGuru: by "multiple viable transmitters" you are refering to multiple transmissions of the same transport stream (as identified by original_network_id and transport_id)? MythTV doesn't support that, yet
[17:47:54] tgm4883: unless you haven't updated the backend lately
[17:48:06] EvilGuru: dekarl: Now when I do a scan I get two copies of many channels
[17:48:21] EvilGuru: tgm4883: I grabbed them today on a fresh 12.04 install after having trouble with 0.24
[17:48:45] tgm4883: ah
[17:48:56] tgm4883: EvilGuru, what is the output of 'dpkg -l mythtv-backend'
[17:49:16] dekarl: If you want to avoid that you can manualy scan *one* frequency and let the scanner spider transports from there. That should give you one set of transports for one area
[17:49:32] EvilGuru: 2:0.25.0~master.20120
[17:49:55] tgm4883: That's not too helpful, any way you can expand that out?
[17:50:43] tgm4883: EvilGuru, wait, are you using -repos or not?
[17:51:19] dekarl: EvilGuru: did you scan with a version newer than ~3 days old? Did the HD transport get identified correctly? (with ONID/TID filled in and getting EIT data automatically)
[17:51:52] tgm4883: So the latest version in 12.04 is 2:0.25.0~master.20120316.53761e2–0ubuntu1, the latest version in our repo is 2:0.25.0~master.20120327.40917b8–0ubuntu0mythbuntu4
[17:51:57] EvilGuru: tgm4883: I am unsure; I just went through the CC, typed in the 'password' and then did an update
[17:52:22] EvilGuru: tgm4883: 2:0.25.0~master.20120327.40917b8–0ubuntu0
[17:52:33] tgm4883: ok, thats the latest we have then
[17:53:28] EvilGuru: dekarl: I believe so; I'll dump the list of transports in a second
[17:53:50] EvilGuru: So I guess my question is: what is the current db schema version?
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[17:54:48] tgm4883: IDK, wagnerrp ?
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[17:55:29] tgm4883: it looks like current is 1263, but that doesn't account for 0.25
[17:55:56] wagnerrp: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ersion.h#L60
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[17:56:36] EvilGuru: Okay, so it appears as if the Gentoo 0.25 build is slightly behind
[17:56:41] tgm4883: so 1299 then
[17:57:10] tgm4883: I thought you said the ebuild was newer?
[17:57:14] tgm4883: than mythbuntu
[17:57:18] ** tgm4883 is confused **
[17:57:28] EvilGuru: tgm4883: That is what the error message seemed to indicate (talking about being unable to upgrade)
[17:57:46] EvilGuru: However I guess it is a generic message in the case of mis-matched versions
[17:58:36] ** tgm4883 *meeting* **
[17:59:11] operat0r: ok so this would be my channels.conf ? http://rmccurdy.com/stuff/QAM.txt just ran a 'scan'
[17:59:25] EvilGuru: Not sure what was wrong with the 0.24 that shipped with 12.04 — the one in 11.04 has been working a treat for me
[17:59:48] EvilGuru: But this was segfaulting before I'd even got into the set-up
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[18:10:40] operat0r: Internal error
[18:10:40] operat0r: From MythTV Official Wiki
[18:10:40] operat0r: Jump to: navigation, search
[18:10:40] operat0r: Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.Internal error
[18:10:44] operat0r: From MythTV Official Wiki
[18:10:46] operat0r: Jump to: navigation, search
[18:11:50] operat0r: trying to update http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Gwinnett_County_-_Charter
[18:13:03] wagnerrp: yes, the wiki is down still after a migration two days ago
[18:14:49] operat0r: kk ill check back later
[18:15:18] operat0r: KK so I have 259 scan and https://www.schedulesdirect.org/qam/GA61403.qam.conf has 48 I can assume the other are 'blank' or banner channels ?
[18:15:52] wagnerrp: most of those are likely encrypted and unusable
[18:16:07] wagnerrp: 48 channels sounds like an analog lineup, not digital
[18:16:21] wagnerrp: and its too many for digital broadcast
[18:17:00] operat0r: http://rmccurdy.com/stuff/QAM2.txt we have COAX extended basic cable that has a few digital channels the TV can tune
[18:17:37] operat0r: so I guess ill have two lineups in schedulesdirect and have to make the QAM2.txt matchup with the right lineup
[18:17:45] wagnerrp: you said you scanned 259 channels
[18:18:06] operat0r: yes but I found out :15 +wagnerrp most of those are likely encrypted and unusable
[18:18:10] operat0r: 14:16 +wagnerrp 48 channels sounds like an analog lineup, not digital
[18:18:14] operat0r: ops
[18:18:25] operat0r: I found out schedulesdirect is doing QAM mapping now :P
[18:18:44] wagnerrp: oh? i knew robert was working on it, but didnt know anything was yet available
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[18:18:57] operat0r: http://rmccurdy.com/stuff/QAM2.txt what I scaned http://rmccurdy.com/stuff/QAM.txt
[18:19:12] gizmobay: Is there a way to signup to get notified when a bug ticket has been updated?
[18:19:38] wagnerrp: gizmobay: a ticket you created? or just a random ticket?
[18:19:46] gizmobay: random ticket
[18:20:21] operat0r: the QAM2.txt is schedulesdirect
[18:20:26] wagnerrp: there is some mechanism to add yourself to a 'cc' list, but i dont know how to access it
[18:20:35] gizmobay: okay
[18:21:11] gizmobay: I have bookmark saved. I can just check it every so often
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[18:21:28] EvilGuru: wagnerrp: Do you know if updated ebuilds are available for 0.25?
[18:21:52] wagnerrp: no, neither kormoc nor i have done so
[18:22:03] wagnerrp: however you should be able to spawn your own with the packaged script
[18:23:19] adam_112: I'm seeing the following error: 2012-03–26 23:45:27.016 HDHRSH(13128D8C-0) Error: UpdateFilters called in wrong tune mode New install with the latest repos installed
[18:34:02] adam_112: Also seeing this on the frontend – 2012-03–26 23:44:37.687 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1103_20120326234421.mpg): Waited 15.0 seconds for data to become available.. 2144 <32768
[18:39:13] adam_112: anybody out here today?
[18:40:05] EvilGuru: wagnerrp: Will that produce an ebuild? Or do something similar to a make && make install cycle?
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[18:40:33] operat0r: woot
[18:40:42] operat0r: status 1f | signal f406 | snr 214b | ber 00000000 | unc 0000ffff | FE_HAS_LOCK
[18:41:09] wagnerrp: go to the root of the gentoo overlay, run 'scripts/mythtv-buildebuild.py', and it will generate new ebuilds for whatever the lastest commit agsinst the master branch is
[18:42:09] operat0r: now I just need to figure out how to make mythtv pickup the channel.conf/ use the lineup 2 following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Adding_Digital_Cab . . . SA/Canada%29 just looks like i need to add the channel.conf and then do mythfilldatabase --sourceid 2 --do-channel-updates
[18:43:50] wagnerrp: that so needs to be rewritten
[18:44:09] wagnerrp: people should be using the internal scanner rather than a channels.conf
[18:44:10] operat0r: :) well let me know what I need to do and I will rewrite it
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[18:44:23] wagnerrp: and --do-channel-updates does nothing for digital lineups
[18:44:37] operat0r: wagnerrp: the internal wont know what label the channels are no ?
[18:44:40] wagnerrp: and any pull from schedules direct should be done with --dd-grab-all
[18:44:43] dekarl: operat0r: I think channels.conf has never worked for ATSC/SCTE (and never worked correctly for DVB either :)
[18:45:38] wagnerrp: any named channel you get form a scan should line up with schedules direct, and the xmltvid automatically set
[18:45:55] wagnerrp: anything that is not automatically set, you will need to figure out what the channel is, and go into the channel editor and set it
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[18:46:34] operat0r: thats not even in option in mythfilldatabase --help :P
[18:46:37] operat0r: running it now tho
[18:47:36] wagnerrp: "--dd-grab-all refresh full data using DataDirect"
[18:48:21] operat0r: im running bins ' 0.23.0+fixes24158–0ubuntu2
[18:48:28] operat0r: but it is working
[18:48:41] wagnerrp: i told you a say or two ago, you need to stop using buggy versions of mythtv
[18:48:46] wagnerrp: *day
[18:49:24] wagnerrp: you are on revision 24158, MythTV 0.23 was not released until revision 24507
[18:49:25] operat0r: wagnerrp: compileing from source is a pain in the ass ... untill I have issues with current branch I wont do it... it will cause more problems then it fixes
[18:49:49] wagnerrp: no, im saying use the mythbuntu repos, and get 0.23.2 or 0.24.2
[18:50:01] wagnerrp: you are running pre-0.23
[18:50:08] adam_112: Seeing this on the frontend – 2012-03–26 23:44:37.687 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1103_20120326234421.mpg): Waited 15.0 seconds for data to become available.. 2144 <32768 LIVETV is unwatchable.......
[18:50:15] operat0r: webside said 'COMPILE FROM SOURCE NOOB"
[18:50:41] operat0r: googleing for repo for mythtv
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[18:52:14] wagnerrp: how do you guys enable your repo? i can never remember
[18:52:59] wagnerrp: operat0r: ah... http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[18:53:17] operat0r: wget http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb;dpkg -i mythbuntu-repos.deb;apt-get update
[18:53:37] operat0r: NOT goign to update unless i have issues ;P
[18:54:17] wagnerrp: youre going to continue to run pre-release, buggy code, until you have issues?
[18:54:34] operat0r: wagnerrp: YUP ! if it aint broke dont fix it !
[18:54:45] wagnerrp: but it is broke, its known to be broke
[18:55:05] operat0r: broke for you maybe works fine for me
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[18:58:53] operat0r: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/qam/ heres the mappings they have so far
[18:59:07] operat0r: I could update the wiki with that and my local mapping
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[19:06:09] tgm4883: wagnerrp, back
[19:06:13] ** tgm4883 reads backlog **
[19:07:00] tgm4883: wagnerrp, yep thats the correct way
[19:07:10] tgm4883: in 12.04, it's actually shipped in MCC
[19:07:17] tgm4883: so no need to install the separate deb
[19:07:19] operat0r: mythtv still says 0.23.0+fixes24158–0ubuntu2 but I have added bunch of mythbuntu-* pkgs
[19:07:52] operat0r: not sure what to install or how to properly got from ubuntu 11.10> repo>Mythbuntu
[19:08:03] tgm4883: operat0r, not sure I understand what you're trying to do
[19:08:14] tgm4883: you are on ubuntu 11.10 and want to move to mythbuntu?
[19:08:18] wagnerrp: upgrade so hes not running that buggy pre-release version
[19:08:22] tgm4883: ah
[19:08:37] wagnerrp: the 10.04 original package or something
[19:09:07] operat0r: tgm4883: wagnerrp was telling me to update and mythtv site says "COMPILE FROM SOURCE NOOB" but wagnerrp says to use the Mythbuntu repo but not sure howto upgrade
[19:09:15] tgm4883: so mythbuntu-repos.deb was installed, you selected whatever fixes repo you wanted, then you did 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get upgrade'?
[19:09:26] wagnerrp: i still want to know where the mythtv website says that
[19:09:59] operat0r: lol .. well not really that i really says "For various reasons, we have chosen not to distribute pre-compiled binary versions of MythTV. However, if you would like to compile from source, you may download the latest versions here: "
[19:10:25] wagnerrp: yes, we dont distribute binaries, but several packagers such as mythbuntu do
[19:10:38] wagnerrp: which is whose packages you are currently running
[19:10:39] tgm4883: I'm going to cook my lunch, back in 5
[19:10:41] wagnerrp: just very old ones
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[19:12:47] operat0r: I guess i use the Mythbuntu Control Center ill google around for that
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[19:15:18] ** operat0r apt-get upgrade -y **
[19:16:03] tgm4883: back
[19:16:05] operat0r: nothing better to do ... I got 4hrs to kill
[19:16:31] tgm4883: yea that would be the way to upgrade it
[19:17:51] operat0r: dont liek the way thsi reads tho http://pastebin.ca/2132925
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[19:18:08] operat0r: The following packages have been kept back: "ythtv-backend mythtv-common mythtv-frontend mythtv-themes ...."
[19:18:37] operat0r: am I installing two mythtv's ...
[19:19:33] tgm4883: operat0r, are you upgrading a major mythtv version? (eg. 0.23 -> 0.25)
[19:20:57] operat0r: aparently
[19:21:08] tgm4883: ?
[19:21:14] operat0r: like I said worst case I have to format/startover
[19:21:33] tgm4883: ok, your call then
[19:21:36] tgm4883: you need to do this
[19:21:41] tgm4883: 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[19:21:58] tgm4883: that will install any new dependencies that are causing those packages to be 'held back'
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[19:24:46] operat0r: coo wish me luck
[19:25:18] operat0r: now that all my children is over I can mess with the PVR now :)
[19:25:46] operat0r: I got forbid to mess with it when wife missed a few eps
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[19:37:19] operat0r: well frontend/backend are 'running' MythTV Version  : v0.24.2-27-g322de47 will see when we get home :)
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[20:30:29] ThisNewGuy1: hey all – I have a show that was cut down to size by transcoding, after transcoding I've created a cut list, is there a way to cut the stuff from the cutlist without further degrading the quality with another transcode?
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[20:33:17] kisak: try to do a lossless transcode
[20:33:55] wagnerrp: not if hes already transcoded to something other than mpeg2
[20:34:30] ThisNewGuy1: is there such a thing as almost lossless? And if so, any advice on how to set it up?
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[20:59:03] henkpoley: Have there been any updates on the DVB-C tuner cards front? My backend can currently only fit another PCI-express or use USB tuners.
[20:59:32] henkpoley: Last year when I looked tuners for those types of buses were lacking
[21:01:14] henkpoley: Hmm, I see the CT-3650 CI USB tuner is finally supported out of the box
[21:02:20] ThisNewGuy1: Does anyone know what this means while transcoding: "Transcoding aborted, MythPlayer is not in raw audio mode."
[21:02:46] ThisNewGuy1: My command line was: mythtranscode --passthrough --honorcutlist --chanid 4752 --starttime 20120327102900
[21:10:01] henkpoley: ThisNewGuy1: might be a hint here: http://code.mythtv.org/doxygen/transcode_8cpp_source.html#l01741
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[21:10:42] henkpoley: apparently the decoder somehow decided to switch out of raw mode.. why.. I dunno.. figure it out ;)
[21:11:53] henkpoley: ThisNewGuy1: it means bool getrawframes is flipped during transcoding: http://code.mythtv.org/doxygen/decoderbase_8h_source.html#l00281
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[21:24:13] ThisNewGuy1: thanks henkpoley – I guess you're saying debug if I want to figure it out
[21:24:44] henkpoley: ThisNewGuy1: sort of, but I gave some hooks into what is happening
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[21:37:39] EvilGuru: With regards to getting signals from multiples transmitters...can mythtv do anything about this?
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[21:38:27] EvilGuru: Currently I have done my best to remove what I believe to be the unwanted (duplicate) channels but have still ended up with a mix-n-match
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[21:51:03] ** justinh wonders if the androidy profile for mythweb has been looked at since 0.24 **
[21:52:10] justinh: EvilGuru: in theory you could (if you know) just do a tuned scan of a frequency you know a transponder is on at your local TX
[21:52:18] justinh: as opposed to a full scan
[21:52:54] justinh: if you leave the box marked 'discover other muxes' or something it should only then add & scan the other local ones
[21:53:22] justinh: assuming the NIT etc tables are correctly transmitted & myth knows how to interpret em
[21:53:59] EvilGuru: I may have to try that as I've currently got 7 multiplexes
[21:54:10] justinh: otherwise mythtv can do nothing if your antenna pulls in more than it should
[21:54:39] justinh: it might be able to if the TXes had locality information but I'm not sure they do
[21:54:58] EvilGuru: I've narrowed it down to BBC ONE which is on a multiplex on its own
[21:55:15] EvilGuru: and it is my understanding that BBC ONE usually shares with BBC NEWS and friends
[21:55:54] justinh: although at some point it's planned to pull in a config wizard in concert with something like xmltv does here in the UK & base a scan on localised information
[21:56:04] justinh: *maybe planned
[21:56:34] EvilGuru: I wonder how the TV handles it
[21:56:42] justinh: a lot don't
[21:56:53] EvilGuru: Although I suspect that our situation is quite unusual — we are right between Sandy Heath and Oxford
[21:57:15] justinh: during switchover here, everything was in complete disarray
[21:57:35] justinh: we had a duplicated BBCA mux for a while
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[21:59:29] EvilGuru: Hmm, looking at the channel scan table I've found the other BBC ONE on the right mplex, might try and hack it
[22:01:34] EvilGuru: As an aside: is it me or have hard disk prices shot up recently, not thinking I just got stung for £130 for a 3tb disk
[22:01:45] justinh: not just recently
[22:02:31] henkpoley: EvilGuru: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/28/us- . . . R66220111028
[22:02:35] henkpoley: Has been a while
[22:03:22] EvilGuru: Also interesting to see that they have moved back up to 7200 RPM
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[22:03:39] EvilGuru: My previous two disks have been 5xxx things
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[22:06:45] justinh: been playing with a 12 bay iSCSI box at work populated with 3TB disks
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[22:07:25] justinh: wouldn't want that box in my cupboard under the stairs at home :-)
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[22:14:49] EvilGuru: This particular drive is the first one which actually advertises itself as having 4kb physical sectors
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[22:31:35] kisak: oh, that's semi-interesting, looks like verizon has changed the firmware so that it no longer upscales 720p video to 1080i on the firewire port
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[22:39:59] EvilGuru: Eeep, the livetv changeover seems to have gotten worse since 0.24 — just caught the frontend using 3.6GiB of memory in a program changeover
[22:40:22] EvilGuru: Saying that there are quite a few threads on -users about it
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[22:44:07] justinh: live tv is what the other tv input is for :-)
[22:45:06] EvilGuru: A few years back I gave up music and replaced it with 24 hour news
[22:45:43] EvilGuru: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10490 seems to be a candidate so we'll see how it goes
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[23:06:49] operat0r: dammit
[23:07:01] operat0r: always messup my gcc compiler in cygwin
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[23:10:24] wagnerrp: kisak: i would be surprised if it ever upscaled 720p to 1080i over firewire
[23:10:39] wagnerrp: since that would mean re-encoding back to mpeg2 after upscaling
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