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| [00:29:55] | kmcorbett: | One of my cable channels stopped working – HDHomeRun Prime and Dual can't "see" it. I suspect a cable provider issue. It's the HD channel for a major network, and I can use the SD channel instead. I want the mythtv scheduler to ignore the broken channel, just for the near term (days) until I get a chance to call my cable provider. On schedulesdirect.org I deleted the channel from my lineup. Now I'm running mythfill |
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| [02:08:49] | surgeq: | hey guys, finally got a standalone FE to play nice with my FE/BE, but this new FE-only machine is an atom/ion box |
| [02:09:03] | surgeq: | everything plays well until mythcommflag starts running in the FE |
| [02:09:41] | surgeq: | it seems that the BE gives the job to this FE-only machine when it feels that the BE is busy… e.g. after recording two shows, there are two files to flag commercials on |
| [02:09:49] | surgeq: | how can i make it so my frontend never runs this? |
| [02:10:01] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend will never run mythcommflag |
| [02:10:04] | surgeq: | [video is unwatchable] |
| [02:10:23] | surgeq: | interesting… i just reinstalled mythbuntu with the FE-only option |
| [02:10:45] | wagnerrp: | the jobqueue exists in two binaries, mythbackend and mythjobqueue |
| [02:11:04] | wagnerrp: | if you have an instance of mythcommflag running, it is because you have one of those two running, and they started it |
| [02:13:35] | surgeq: | i see mythbackend running, just not sure why it's there. |
| [02:14:09] | Hydr0p0nX: | hey guys, my myth instance quit recording everything about 2 weeks ago, i've tried running mythfilldatabase, restarting the box, restarting mythbackend and mysqld |
| [02:14:13] | surgeq: | can i safely kill both processes and force the job to go back into the queue on the backend? |
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| [02:14:52] | wagnerrp: | surgeq: assuming you didnt start it yourself, then your init scripts decided to start it for you |
| [02:15:09] | wagnerrp: | and due to how upstart operates, if you terminate mythbackend, upstart will start it right back up |
| [02:15:47] | surgeq: | im i correct in assuming that a purely-frontend machine does not require mythbackend? |
| [02:16:30] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend is only required to be running on machines you want to record on |
| [02:16:36] | Hydr0p0nX: | mythweb/status says "There are no shows scheduled for recording. " even though I have 6 series setup for recording, any ideas ? |
| [02:17:45] | surgeq: | if i spun up live TV and hit pause, does that technically count as recording? :-D |
| [02:18:31] | wagnerrp: | surgeq: all tv access in mythtv is recording, even live tv |
| [02:19:00] | wagnerrp: | you have a tuner card installed in this dedicated frontend, and mythbackend configured and running to access it? |
| [02:19:26] | surgeq: | HDHR prime configured on the primary BE/FE box |
| [02:19:30] | surgeq: | no tuners on this box |
| [02:19:47] | surgeq: | it automagically discovered the backend, didnt have to configure anything |
| [02:19:50] | wagnerrp: | recordings are performed by backends, not frontends |
| [02:20:03] | surgeq: | that is what i thought |
| [02:20:24] | surgeq: | although i assumed that live TV happens like this: tuner -> BE -> FE |
| [02:20:34] | surgeq: | not spinning up mythbackend on the frontend |
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| [02:23:05] | surgeq: | i guess my noob question is: did spinning up Live TV start up mythbackend? |
| [02:25:50] | kisak: | livetv requests a tuner, the tuner is mapped to the backend that it's attached to and that backend sends the stream to the frontend |
| [02:26:15] | surgeq: | so no backend required on the FE-only box |
| [02:26:24] | kisak: | that is correct |
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| [02:37:58] | surgeq: | turns out that mythbuntu had it set as a secondary backend after all |
| [02:38:25] | surgeq: | i wonder if that is because this used to be a frontend + secondary backend before i formatted it, and the primary backend remembered its role |
| [02:39:08] | wagnerrp: | all configuration data is stored in the database |
| [02:39:20] | wagnerrp: | however system init is completely independent |
| [02:39:44] | wagnerrp: | if your system "remembered" it was supposed to be running a backend, that is something mythbuntu has configured |
| [02:46:22] | surgeq: | either that or my doofus self fat fingered the install |
| [02:46:36] | surgeq: | thanks for the help, guys |
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| [04:21:34] | rumblebumble: | Hey Guys, trying to make sense of the mythweb recording filters. When I select a recording and choose New episode and Identifable episode, it does not seem to schedule any recordings |
| [04:21:47] | rumblebumble: | in mythweb 0.25 |
| [04:22:30] | rumblebumble: | I am wondering if I an not understanding what is happening |
| [04:23:36] | rumblebumble: | In 0.24 I would select record at any time on any channel and then select new episodes only in the filter |
| [04:24:23] | rumblebumble: | It worked great. I guess I am trying to figure out how to recreate that recording in 0.25 |
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| [08:35:13] | lapion: | hello anyone here know if the analogue card tuning problems with 0.25 have been solved |
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| [09:51:07] | CiaranG: | Anyone already have an answer to this before I figure it out for myself – what's the best way to command-line extract just the audio from NUV in a non-lossy way (for further editing)? |
| [09:52:28] | dekarl: | I would try mythffmpeg with -a copy |
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| [10:06:23] | CiaranG: | dekarl: Thanks, I'll take a look |
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| [11:28:13] | clever: | CiaranG: mencoder -oac copy or mencoder -oac pcm may also work |
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| [14:43:44] | CyberKnet: | happy friday |
| [14:46:22] | wagnerrp: | happy? |
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| [15:03:14] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: the MPEG selector in mythtv-setup merely looks for any nodes of the correct major/minor for V4L devices, and then performs a regular expression filters for 'ivtv' and 'saa7164' drivers |
| [15:03:42] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ce.cpp#L2113 |
| [15:03:50] | wagnerrp: | if that would ignore blackbird devices |
| [15:04:35] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: ouch. Really? |
| [15:04:37] | devinheitmueller: | Wow. |
| [15:04:58] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, really it should be enumerating all /dev/video devices for those that have MPEG in the supported format list. |
| [15:05:27] | devinheitmueller: | Because some of those devices can support both raw and MPEG modes (for example, cx88 and cx18). |
| [15:05:41] | wagnerrp: | no sense worrying about it now |
| [15:05:57] | wagnerrp: | probably best to scrap the whole thing and rewrite it better for the web setup in 0.26 |
| [15:06:00] | devinheitmueller: | I'm assuming though that he can manually type /dev/video1 into the box and it will work though, right? |
| [15:06:28] | wagnerrp: | if he types it in manually, and the MPEG recorder code can use blackbird devices, it should work |
| [15:06:46] | devinheitmueller: | Does the recorder actually look at the device type? |
| [15:06:52] | wagnerrp: | that was previously what people had to do for the HVR-2200/2250 |
| [15:07:04] | devinheitmueller: | ... or is it only the mythtv setup part which decides what to show in the dropdown? |
| [15:07:06] | wagnerrp: | it looks up the device type as is stored in the database |
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| [15:07:31] | wagnerrp: | you select the type from the dropdown, and mythtv searches for compatible devices using that code |
| [15:08:04] | wagnerrp: | at all other times, it simply assumes the device is what you said it was |
| [15:08:08] | wagnerrp: | and attempts to use it as such |
| [15:08:11] | devinheitmueller: | ok. |
| [15:08:30] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, so it should be fine then for him if he just selects ivtv and types /dev/video1 into the device field. |
| [15:09:14] | wagnerrp: | if the code designed for the IVTV/SAA7164 cards will work with blackbird devices unmodified, then he should be fine |
| [15:09:21] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, it should. |
| [15:09:49] | devinheitmueller: | I don't know who is rewriting that code for 0.26, but I would be happy to offer some feedback on whatever design gets proposed before the code gets written. |
| [15:09:49] | wagnerrp: | anyway, all that device listing code will probably be rewritten for proper enumeration of all available devices |
| [15:09:55] | wagnerrp: | as part of the web setup |
| [15:10:14] | wagnerrp: | so rather than selecting a type and getting a filtered list of possibilities |
| [15:10:24] | wagnerrp: | it returns a list of what is available on that system |
| [15:11:08] | wagnerrp: | im thinking danielk would be the one to talk to about that |
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| [15:12:14] | devinheitmueller: | sorry, meeting. bbiab. |
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| [16:29:43] | kmcorbett: | Q: Best way to temporarily disable a channel for purposes of scheduling? I want mythtv to (re)schedule recordings on channel 4 (SD) instead of channel 804 (HD) which has dropped off for some reason. I removed 804 from my lineup at SchedulesDirect and ran mythfilldatabase. Is there a better way? |
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| [16:35:21] | dekarl: | kmcorbett: I would hide it by deselecting "visible" (or whatever it is called in the english translation). e.g. in mythweb's channel editor |
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| [16:38:20] | kmcorbett: | dekarl: thanks. There is a "visible" setting in mythtv-setup, maybe it's the same? From the description (shown when cursor is positioned in the field) I thought that would only affect the program guide. |
| [16:41:41] | dekarl: | I think it affects the program guide and the scheduler. I've noticed that it seems to not affect LiveTV channel surfing (but who does that anyway ;) |
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| [16:44:28] | wagnerrp: | correct, the scheduler ignores it, but you can still tune it |
| [16:45:00] | xavierh: | I thought it had been change for consistency sake ? |
| [16:45:15] | wagnerrp: | its not outright blocked, so if you are using an external STB and tuning that channel can cause the STB to get into a funky mode that requires manual intervention to be fixed |
| [16:45:37] | wagnerrp: | you need to be away that it might happen, and "not visible" isn't actually designed for the use you intend |
| [16:45:49] | wagnerrp: | xavierh: it was discussed, but left as is for the 0.25 release |
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| [16:49:58] | kmcorbett: | That behavior seems reasonable to me, though not what I inferred from the UI :) |
| [16:52:50] | adam_112: | I've setup a new mythbuntu backend/frontend. When playing livetv I either get a jump file error, and buffer error or a black screen. The machine is a intel dual core running the latest ISO from mythbuntu . The tuner is a Hdhomerun CC 3 port unit with an nvidia gs8600 card. any thing I should be looking at in particular? |
| [16:53:45] | wagnerrp: | adam_112: do recordings otherwise play fine? |
| [16:54:07] | adam_112: | If I start a recording and do a preview of the recording that works fine. |
| [16:54:21] | adam_112: | Haven't tried HD just SD so far. |
| [16:54:31] | wagnerrp: | then chances are the problem is in the backend |
| [16:54:43] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs for errors |
| [16:55:16] | adam_112: | okay. I'm not in front of the machine right now but I do remember seeing some ringbuf errors? |
| [16:55:34] | wagnerrp: | youre clearly in front of some machine, right? |
| [16:55:44] | wagnerrp: | does this machine have a terminal emulator? |
| [16:55:45] | adam_112: | At work not the home :) |
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| [16:56:17] | adam_112: | Sorry I dropped. |
| [16:56:34] | wagnerrp: | does this machine have a terminal emulator, or some form of ssh client? |
| [16:56:45] | adam_112: | Yes. But I can't get there from here. |
| [16:56:53] | wagnerrp: | never opened the ports? |
| [16:57:07] | adam_112: | Nope. Behind a pix 506 firewall. |
| [16:57:35] | adam_112: | Was wondering what I should be looking for. |
| [16:57:37] | wagnerrp: | so they filter out SSH sessions, but they allow IRC? |
| [16:57:46] | wagnerrp: | just who is running your IT department? |
| [16:57:58] | wagnerrp: | sounds like madness over there |
| [16:58:04] | adam_112: | I'm at work. I can't get to my machine at home. |
| [16:58:18] | wagnerrp: | because you were behind some cisco firewall |
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| [16:58:29] | adam_112: | My Home is behind a pix 506 |
| [16:58:36] | wagnerrp: | oh... |
| [16:58:59] | wagnerrp: | i incorrectly assumed the commercial cisco firewall would be in use at your work |
| [16:58:59] | adam_112: | I'd have to reconf it. Not impossible. |
| [16:59:07] | kmcorbett: | adam_112: I've seen similar problems when my channel lineup includes channels the HDHomeRun can't tune into. Try cutting your lineup down to a few known good channels, where "good" is confirmed by either hdhomerun_config_gui (and viewing with VLC) or mythfrontend live tv through the program guide. |
| [16:59:09] | adam_112: | :) |
| [16:59:48] | adam_112: | Okay. It is weird. The same channels work when using WMC |
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| [17:00:33] | wagnerrp: | adam_112: mythtv does not support DRM, so the HDHR will not provide mythtv with channels marked as requiring DRM |
| [17:00:41] | wagnerrp: | what cable company do you have? |
| [17:00:47] | adam_112: | Knology. |
| [17:00:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont know anything about them... |
| [17:01:40] | wagnerrp: | anyway, microsoft spend a huge amount of money implementing a secure video pathway into Vista, that allows content to remain encrypted on disk, and inaccessible by the user, all the way to the point it is output by the graphics card |
| [17:01:59] | adam_112: | I understand the DRM issue. Sometimes if I'm lucky I get video for a bit. Then it locks up and I usually get the butter error. So I don't think DRM is the issue. |
| [17:02:00] | kmcorbett: | The HDHomeRun unit has a Web server interface, have you looked there? in the log you should see messages about virtual channels and status = subscribed (or not) |
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| [17:02:18] | adam_112: | kmcorbett – I'll look at that. |
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| [17:03:04] | adam_112: | The liveTV will play for 15 sec or so. Then freeze and die. |
| [17:03:22] | adam_112: | Othertime black screen and nothing with the buffer error. |
| [17:03:35] | adam_112: | Network looks good nothing there. |
| [17:03:45] | adam_112: | 100 full duplex |
| [17:04:07] | kmcorbett: | Is this frontend on the same host as backend? |
| [17:04:11] | adam_112: | YEs |
| [17:04:29] | adam_112: | Tried with stand alone frontend. Same deal. |
| [17:04:34] | kmcorbett: | Are HDHomeRun and backend hosts on the same Ethernet switch? |
| [17:04:38] | kmcorbett: | (router, hub...) |
| [17:04:50] | wagnerrp: | adam_112: do understand that the HDHR just blindly throws packets at its defined destination (mythtv) using UDP |
| [17:04:56] | adam_112: | Yes same switch. cisco 2950 |
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| [17:05:16] | adam_112: | Wagner – Yes. |
| [17:05:17] | wagnerrp: | and with three recordings coming off a HDHR, you could be running 50–60Mbps |
| [17:05:31] | adam_112: | I'm looking at only one at this time. |
| [17:05:32] | wagnerrp: | and actually, with the cablecard removed, you could be operating at around 110Mbps |
| [17:06:04] | wagnerrp: | im just saying you may want to consider upgrading to gigabit at some point |
| [17:06:14] | wagnerrp: | run some network test, check your UDP packet loss |
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| [17:06:31] | adam_112: | WIll do. Do you have a recommened tool? |
| [17:06:44] | wagnerrp: | iperf is simple enough to use |
| [17:06:50] | adam_112: | Okay. |
| [17:07:03] | kmcorbett: | With cablecard removed?? I couldn't run livetv much at all with the card out. I don't recall if it broke the way you described. |
| [17:07:06] | wagnerrp: | while you shouldnt be completely dropping like that |
| [17:07:26] | adam_112: | I'll try that. So you think the problem is between the HDHomerun and the backend? If so home come I can record? |
| [17:07:39] | wagnerrp: | if you experience glitchy recordings, that could be the result of running too much data through, and losing data due to collisions |
| [17:08:07] | wagnerrp: | at just a single recording, you shouldnt be anywhere near the point you would have problems |
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| [17:08:34] | adam_112: | If I start a recording and then go to preview while the recording is still happening I can view the deal almost like live TV |
| [17:08:36] | wagnerrp: | but depending on your equipment, and other traffic going on at the same time, running three recordings could potentially get you into troubled area |
| [17:08:44] | adam_112: | k |
| [17:09:09] | wagnerrp: | kmcorbett: with no cablecard installed, the HDHRP is just a 3-tuner QAM-only HDHR |
| [17:09:40] | wagnerrp: | that means you can use multirec to achieve close to the full 38Mbps channel throughput off each tuner |
| [17:09:56] | wagnerrp: | it does not support ATSC at all, so it would not work if you had it connected to an antenna |
| [17:10:04] | wagnerrp: | and it would only be able to access those channels broadcast in the clear |
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| [17:10:17] | wagnerrp: | which may well be just those local channels retransmitted over cable |
| [17:10:33] | kmcorbett: | My other HDHomeRun unit is a dual tuner, only supports OTA or clear QAM. And I've never gotten either unit to work reliably (for live tv or recording) using QAM. My provider is Comcast FWIW. |
| [17:11:01] | wagnerrp: | both will function just fine as clearqam tuners |
| [17:11:16] | wagnerrp: | however as mentioned, the only thing youre going to get in the clear from comcast are the local broadcast channels |
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| [17:12:57] | kmcorbett: | I'm guessing my problems with QAM has more to to with Comcast than Silicon Dust or MythTV. |
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| [17:38:28] | wagnerrp: | in other news, Kuwait plays Borat's version of the Kazakhstan national anthem for medal winner at sports event.... |
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| [19:11:44] | skd5aner: | all other countries have inferior potassium |
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| [19:20:04] | lapion: | anyone know if mythtv-setup 0.25 current can scan analogue (fg) cards for channels ? |
| [19:23:08] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 and later should be able to scan analog tuners |
| [19:24:13] | lapion: | last time I checked 0.24 could not |
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| [19:26:23] | lapion: | at least 0.23, 0.24, 0.25 with fixes could not scan analog tuners anymore |
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| [19:28:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | I think I'm in love... Samsung has announced a 55" OLED TV... <3 <3 <3 <3 !!!!!!!!! |
| [19:28:54] | pplmaker: | When samsung announces alison brie, thats when ill be in love |
| [19:29:04] | sphery: | You didn't like LG's? Guess Life's not Good for you? |
| [19:29:22] | sphery: | I'm still waiting for my FED/NED/SED... :( |
| [19:29:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: what's wrong with OLED? ;-) |
| [19:29:49] | wagnerrp: | life |
| [19:30:18] | wagnerrp: | FED is just a CRT implemented on extremely small scales |
| [19:30:20] | sphery: | I'll admit LED (including LED) is much better than any LCD (including LED-backlit LCD TVs that some people think are LED TVs) |
| [19:30:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | so FED is very much like Plasma then? |
| [19:30:40] | wagnerrp: | meaning video quality is every bit as good as any flat screen CRT |
| [19:30:42] | sphery: | FED is much more efficient than LED and has virtually no lifetime issues |
| [19:30:53] | wagnerrp: | and tube life is on the order of decades |
| [19:30:55] | sphery: | no, plasma burns hot and is inefficient |
| [19:31:45] | sphery: | it's basically a CRT (with all the color reproduction/viewing angle/... benefits of CRT) but with billions of electron guns per display |
| [19:31:47] | stuartm: | is anyone producing a mythtv distro using a distro that won't keep getting the in the way? i.e. displaying prompts about network connectivity, pending updates and disk space shortages? I'm really tired of ubuntu doing this sort of stuff with mythbuntu and I'm thinking of going two ways – either find a mythtv distro that's better integrated (no more packages on top of an off-the-shelf desktop distro) or going back to building from source |
| [19:31:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | I just obtained (well 2 weeks ago) a pair of Samsung Captivate phones with AMOLED screens... they are incredible. ;-) |
| [19:31:49] | stuartm: | with a custom distro |
| [19:32:06] | stuartm: | (I don't really want to waste my time on the latter ... ) |
| [19:32:15] | sphery: | uses nano materials within nanometers of the display surface to cause electron jumps |
| [19:32:46] | pplmaker: | captivate = galaxy s? |
| [19:32:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: Yep. ;-) |
| [19:33:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: now running ICS ;-) |
| [19:33:04] | pplmaker: | jeffa: hows the battery life? |
| [19:33:11] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: amoled isn't bad, but isn't ideal for video |
| [19:33:20] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: my big problem with OLED is that they're not bright |
| [19:33:45] | wagnerrp: | so they cheat and add white pixels to up the brightness at the expense of contrast and quality |
| [19:34:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: Comparible to my work "HTC Inspire 4g" – barely lasts a day with moderate usage. |
| [19:34:24] | sphery: | you still have to do the same tricks with (actual--not LED-backlit) LED screens as you have to do with LCDs, to account for the sharp transitions between pixel states (versus the fade out you get naturally from CRT-type display) |
| [19:34:27] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: ouch |
| [19:34:34] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: gentoo with 'emerge mythtv'? |
| [19:34:35] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [19:34:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: Yeah, I keep a micro-usb cable with me most of the time. ;-) |
| [19:34:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: billions? not millions? |
| [19:35:06] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: will be interesting to see what happens with Sony's Crystal LED (using silicon LED) |
| [19:35:12] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yeah, not going to happen, I can live with building mythtv in production if I have to but not the whole OS ;) |
| [19:35:26] | pplmaker: | i had a galaxys – you never really stray far from an outlet |
| [19:35:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: lots (and lots) per pixel... i.e. they don't know/care which will emit the electron |
| [19:35:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: for Myth – I've been using Fedora for years and compiling from source, so I don't have all the nuisances that you're mentioning, but updating is a manual task. |
| [19:35:36] | wagnerrp: | well to be fair, i only build once for several machines |
| [19:35:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: also allows for some to be damaged/non-functional without compromising pixel |
| [19:36:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so in theory, each of those individual guns could be addressable, for displays on the order of thousands of DPI? |
| [19:36:19] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: My comment about LG was that LG announced and displayed a 55" OLED LED back at CES (they were first to display it) |
| [19:36:36] | stuartm: | IMHO a phone should last days without charge ... granted no 'smart'phones achieve that, might be why I still carry a 6 year old monochrome screen Nokia that can last a good two weeks |
| [19:36:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: sounds right--though not sure how precise they can do the wiring, so may be out of current range of tech |
| [19:37:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I just looked at the screen of my Samsung phone, and there's no white pixels, it's just RGB. |
| [19:37:32] | wagnerrp: | so in theory, you could use it to produce real 3D tv? |
| [19:37:54] | sphery: | I had a cell phone that needed recharging after about every phone call, so I got a new battery and got a good 3–5 days (including several calls) between recharges... Now, a few months later, I'm back to recharging basically daily. |
| [19:37:55] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: im talking about the "pentile" stuff most AMOLED devices like to use |
| [19:37:56] | pplmaker: | my wife regularly forgets to charge her blackberry and it still will run for 48 hrs |
| [19:38:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: re: OLED tv – I didn't see that one. ;-) I just happened to see the one for Samsung that they announced at CES. ;-) |
| [19:38:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ah. ;-) |
| [19:38:28] | sphery: | (actually got 2 batteries... One was a cheap Chinese one that didn't work at all, so 2nd one was actually a good one from Batteries Plus) |
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| [19:38:59] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: and Sony's Crystal LED TV plans use non-organic LEDs... They haven't showed theirs, yet, though |
| [19:39:04] | stuartm: | right, Li-Ion batteries have a pretty short lifespan |
| [19:39:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: nice. ;-) |
| [19:39:25] | pplmaker: | sphery: the thing about these android phones is that the extended batteries just arent of sufficient quality, maH be damned |
| [19:39:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if you get individually addressable pixels down into the single micron and hundreds of nm range |
| [19:39:47] | wagnerrp: | you can use them to produce interference patterns and set up light fields |
| [19:39:53] | sphery: | nice |
| [19:39:55] | wagnerrp: | rather than simply displaying a static 2D image |
| [19:40:05] | wagnerrp: | i.e. real holographic 3D display |
| [19:40:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Li-Ion have a short lifespan? I had a Motorola StarTac digital phone that I had the same 3 batteries for 8 years with no issues. ;-) Charged whenever I felt like it, etc... ;-) |
| [19:40:08] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:40:14] | sphery: | that would be sweet |
| [19:40:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | The only thing I've had a problem with Li-Ion on was a Sony Laptop that I was running as a webserver and powered by a/c power 24/7 – the battery was toast after a year. |
| [19:41:18] | stuartm: | battery technology is one area that's lagging decades behind the other innovations, capacity might improve a few percent a year while everything else improves 50–200% year on year :( |
| [19:41:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: that's awesome. |
| [19:41:24] | sphery: | So, read an article about iPad 3 and it said "text is so much smoother", then showed a picture of a single character shown full-screen on iPad 2 and same character on iPad 3... I was amazed at the ... article. |
| [19:41:47] | pplmaker: | sphery you are such a hater |
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| [19:42:37] | sphery: | just thought they'd have done better showing text at whatever point size displayed on both screens, but zoomed in to show difference |
| [19:42:54] | sphery: | i.e. size that you'd actually read text at |
| [19:43:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm with you on that. ;-) |
| [19:43:43] | pplmaker: | i saw them side by side and the different really is remarkable |
| [19:43:44] | stuartm: | sphery: I liked the detail about the ipad 3 battery having twice the capacity of the ipad 2 ... sounds great, only time between charges has actually gone down |
| [19:44:19] | sphery: | stuartm: hehe, yeah, when power usage is right about 2x, double the battery capacity means... |
| [19:44:39] | stuartm: | that new screen is so power hungry that it increases the power draw by more than 100% |
| [19:45:08] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: less the screen, and more the two additional graphics cores |
| [19:45:32] | wagnerrp: | they effectively tacked on another 33% of die space |
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| [19:45:36] | darkdrgn3k: | hi guys |
| [19:45:52] | darkdrgn3k: | when they talk abotu Digital modulators, does that mean it modulates the input source for digital tuners? |
| [19:46:03] | darkdrgn3k: | ie http://www.smarthomeusa.com/ShopByManufacture . . . /Item/E1200/ |
| [19:46:18] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: one of the articles spun off from the tear downs pointed at the screen itself, but I'm not quibbling, GPU or screen, that's a huge step backwards IMHO |
| [19:46:30] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn3k: likely yes, meaning you would be able to connect any digital capable TV straight to the coaxial line |
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| [19:46:59] | darkdrgn3k: | as oppsoed to the Analog ones that do analog |
| [19:47:00] | darkdrgn3k: | cool |
| [19:47:05] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: ah, i just saw something talking about the die |
| [19:47:26] | stuartm: | I'd actually pay for a tablet if the battery life was good enough than it didn't need charging daily (or even every other day) ... something like the kindle's mean time between charges would be great |
| [19:47:28] | darkdrgn3k: | id' assume that means they are a little better quality then the analog ones |
| [19:47:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn3k: Not the one you linked --- Video NTSC 0.4–2.7V Peak to Peak |
| [19:47:33] | wagnerrp: | 165mm for the A5x, vs. 120mm for the A5, and only 85mm or so for the Tegra3 |
| [19:48:11] | darkdrgn3k: | J-e-f-f-A: notthe one i linked isnt a digital modulator? |
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| [19:48:42] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn3k: this is the only digital modulator i know of that is marketed for the consumer price range... http://www.zeevee.com/zvbox |
| [19:48:57] | wagnerrp: | and youre still talking $500-$1000 per channel, depending on the unit |
| [19:49:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn3k: It is Digital in that the electronics in the box are Digital, but it modulates an NTSC (IE: SD) signal onto an RF channel. |
| [19:49:29] | darkdrgn3k: | that makes sense |
| [19:49:39] | darkdrgn3k: | i was looking at the price and was like WAAA... |
| [19:49:40] | wagnerrp: | heh, no it doesnt! |
| [19:49:59] | darkdrgn3k: | ? |
| [19:50:05] | wagnerrp: | you cant claim something has digital internal circuitry, and that makes it a digital modulator |
| [19:50:33] | wagnerrp: | thats like something some marketing weenie who has no idea what theyre talking about would come up with |
| [19:50:35] | darkdrgn3k: | i didnt say it was RIGTH but it makes sense from a marketers BS persepctive ol |
| [19:50:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I thought it said it was "Digital" – I'm looking again. |
| [19:50:44] | darkdrgn3k: | ... pair of buzz-word dice... |
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| [19:51:31] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: the one darkdrgn3k linked to just has the standard red/white/yellow analog inputs |
| [19:51:37] | wagnerrp: | its almost certainly going to be analog output |
| [19:51:53] | wagnerrp: | its just uncommon compared to most modulators in that it has a wide selectable range |
| [19:51:58] | wagnerrp: | most modulators only do channel 3 or 4 |
| [19:52:08] | darkdrgn3k: | yes im not interested in those :-P |
| [19:52:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Right – it doesn't say "Digital" – it just says "PLL crystal controlled oscillator circuitry". |
| [19:52:22] | darkdrgn3k: | Shop > Channel Vision Technology > Channel Vision Digital RF Modulators > E1200 |
| [19:52:32] | darkdrgn3k: | its groupoed with the Digital RF Modulators |
| [19:52:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | they lie. ;-) |
| [19:53:48] | darkdrgn3k: | thast why im here :) thats what i thought |
| [19:54:01] | darkdrgn3k: | any idea where i cna get a cheal modulator (higer channels) |
| [19:54:05] | darkdrgn3k: | sd analog |
| [19:54:47] | wagnerrp: | "standard composite video signals"... so not digital |
| [19:54:59] | wagnerrp: | they lie! *gasp* |
| [19:55:00] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: the ZeeTV is actually a pretty neat box. I played with one for a few weeks when doing some HVR-950q testing. |
| [19:55:35] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: just absurdly expensive |
| [19:55:46] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: It's priced according to its demand. |
| [19:55:53] | darkdrgn3k: | also its the encoders that make them pricy :( |
| [19:55:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn3k: amazon – dual-input one for $82.18 – Channel Plus http://www.amazon.com/Channel-3025-Multiroom- . . . ob_e_title_0 |
| [19:56:00] | wagnerrp: | id love to have some ~$50 PC card |
| [19:56:12] | wagnerrp: | that you just push proper MPEG2 video to |
| [19:56:15] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: It's only really targeted at places like hotels that have racks of them connected to DirectTV receivers. |
| [19:56:16] | wagnerrp: | and it modulates it onto the wire |
| [19:56:45] | darkdrgn3k: | really every holtel i stood at was pushing sD! |
| [19:57:01] | devinheitmueller: | darkdrgn3k: at least here in the US, it's becoming more common for them to have HD. |
| [19:57:09] | darkdrgn3k: | not in canada.. |
| [19:57:20] | darkdrgn3k: | Even flat screens have sd signals |
| [19:57:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, the last few times I've travelled, it's been a 50/50 mix – some have HD, some have SD, some have a mix. ;-) |
| [19:58:23] | devinheitmueller: | I would have to imagine that HD is only being rolled out to newly built hotels or hotels upgrading their cable plants in general. They probably won't be upgrading to HD just for the sake of it. |
| [19:58:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn3k: re: modulator – they even have a 4-input model for $144.20 |
| [19:58:55] | darkdrgn3k: | i gatta find a canadian source though :( |
| [19:59:33] | wagnerrp: | run ethernet and put PCs on those TVs instead? |
| [19:59:54] | darkdrgn3k: | 3x300$ pcs or 1x120$ modulator |
| [20:00:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn3k: they show up on amazon.ca – Dual is $151 CDN – quad is $259 CDN (ouch) |
| [20:01:00] | darkdrgn3k: | see. its great to be canadian |
| [20:01:08] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn3k: dont forget the hardware needed to output those video streams to feed into the modulator |
| [20:01:11] | darkdrgn3k: | evne with the cad at like 98 of he us |
| [20:01:31] | darkdrgn3k: | wagnerrp: i have that already :) |
| [20:01:50] | dekarl: | stuartm: maybe minimyth for the frontends? |
| [20:02:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn3k: You don't have any old (but not TOO old) pc's that you could use as Myth frontends? ;-) |
| [20:02:37] | darkdrgn3k: | yeh but they are too BIG:) |
| [20:03:06] | stuartm: | dekarl: I only have one machine in production, a combined fe/be |
| [20:03:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn3k: so get a smaller case and move the contents over. ;-) |
| [20:04:08] | darkdrgn3k: | still to big for my need |
| [20:04:15] | darkdrgn3k: | one tv is a small 19' hanging on the wall |
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| [20:04:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | small 19 FOOT tv? wow! How big is your BIG one? ;-) |
| [20:05:25] | darkdrgn3k: | 36 miles? |
| [20:05:36] | darkdrgn3k: | sorry im in cnaada.. i do metrix note imperializm |
| [20:05:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehehe. ;-) |
| [20:05:57] | darkdrgn3k: | i always screw up ' and " and '" and "" |
| [20:07:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn3k: hehehe... no problem. |
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| [20:11:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn3k: Do you have any PS3s in the house? They play *most* myth content with their UPnP support. |
| [20:12:06] | darkdrgn3k: | nop.. |
| [20:12:14] | darkdrgn3k: | acutaly i thinki i need to replace my sisters server |
| [20:12:23] | darkdrgn3k: | its got a leacked capacater i superglued together :-P |
| [20:12:41] | wagnerrp: | or replace the cap? |
| [20:12:58] | darkdrgn3k: | im awfull with a soldering gun:( |
| [20:13:12] | wagnerrp: | its not like it takes much skill |
| [20:13:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Umm... superglued? |
| [20:13:20] | ** J-e-f-f-A cringes. ** | |
| [20:13:31] | darkdrgn3k: | to solder? it takes enough skill |
| [20:13:35] | darkdrgn3k: | ive sdone my share of soldering.. |
| [20:13:40] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: meaning he plugged the pressure release valve on the top |
| [20:13:49] | devinheitmueller: | darkdrgn3k: That's probably part of your problem. You almost *never* want to use a soldering gun. For almost everything you would do you probably want to use a soldering iron. |
| [20:14:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, but even then... yikes. |
| [20:14:03] | wagnerrp: | preventing it from drying out, but also preventing the mechanism designed to prevent an explosion from behaving properly |
| [20:14:13] | darkdrgn3k: | sdorry i ment soldering iron. .i tried a gun once.. eewe! |
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| [20:14:56] | darkdrgn3k: | wagnerrp: naa the capacitor already blew... i judy didnt want it to spew everywhere. |
| [20:14:59] | darkdrgn3k: | *leaked* |
| [20:15:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | I blew up a few caps in High school. ;-) I created a 'russian roulette' telephone keypad – wired a cap inline with 120v that was 'randomly' wired up to a row/column that would zap the cap when ONE of the buttons was pressed. |
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| [20:15:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | It was pretty spectacular when one of the guys in our class hit the '4' button and *whap* – not only did the cap go boom, the keypad button blew off too! ;-) |
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| [20:16:09] | stuartm: | just saw a section from a programme about DirectTV installers in the US, those are some crazy setups you've got out there – one of the domestic installs were big roof mounted (bolted into the pitched roof) dishes, two of them with 3 LNBs each and a crazy amount of cabling to multiple switch boxes, combiners and splitters |
| [20:16:17] | wagnerrp: | ive taken out several power supplies that way before |
| [20:16:49] | wagnerrp: | air conditioning fails, so we have big blowers running through the server room, and most of the servers shut down |
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| [20:17:11] | wagnerrp: | AC gets repaired, room gets sealed up, all that hot most air cools down and condenses on the powered off system |
| [20:17:26] | wagnerrp: | hit the switch on the power strip and BAM, blow out a whole row of power supplies |
| [20:17:31] | darkdrgn3k: | wow |
| [20:17:31] | darkdrgn3k: | http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=3101&sku=41164 |
| [20:17:38] | wagnerrp: | with commensurate amounts of blue smoke and ozone |
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| [20:18:13] | wagnerrp: | wow what? |
| [20:19:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: no humidity control on those units, or did that happen anyways? |
| [20:19:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | (ie: the a/c units) |
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| [20:19:35] | wagnerrp: | not enough circulation to remove the moist air |
| [20:19:40] | wagnerrp: | so it cooled down in-place |
| [20:19:47] | wagnerrp: | condensing where ever it happened to be |
| [20:20:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yikes. |
| [20:22:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah... so that's why when HP shipped our large Tandem system (bascially a mainframe) to our datacenter, they wanted it to 'acclimate' for about 4 hours before plugging it in and turning it on... |
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| [20:23:15] | wagnerrp: | no, thats because its actually powered by tiny swimming fish inside |
| [20:23:24] | wagnerrp: | and if you change temperature too quickly, you kill the fish |
| [20:23:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | HA! ;-) |
| [20:24:44] | kisak_laptop: | I have one of those fish, it's a pain to take on vacation |
| [20:27:32] | kisak_laptop: | hmm ... I've been fiddling with the network remote control stuff, and it doesn't seem to work with the current 0.25 ebuild, but works fine with a more recent build |
| [20:27:48] | pplmaker: | tandem isnt mainframe, its totally different i thought |
| [20:28:02] | kisak_laptop: | there's no webpage at http://frontend:6546 |
| [20:29:10] | wagnerrp: | no there isnt' |
| [20:29:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: It's not a mainframe per-se, but it's considered a mainframe class machine. |
| [20:29:59] | wagnerrp: | 6546 is just a generic unicode socket |
| [20:30:06] | wagnerrp: | there is no web server listening on that port |
| [20:30:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: I've been working with them for 20+ years... |
| [20:30:41] | pplmaker: | jeffa: i worked on tandem servers (just a tiny bit) like 10 years ago.. they stink like a mainframe, but its a mini computer |
| [20:30:43] | kisak_laptop: | so I've just been walking face-first into a wall >_< |
| [20:31:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: no, not a mini. Depends on what model you worked on. |
| [20:32:35] | pplmaker: | himalaya something or other |
| [20:33:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: Ah, were you doing Java on that box or something? |
| [20:33:25] | pplmaker: | all cobol, all the time |
| [20:33:54] | pplmaker: | honestly i did very little work on it |
| [20:34:01] | pplmaker: | but the little that I did, I didnt like |
| [20:35:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: Yeah, it doesn't have a 'gui' per-se, but it's great at what it's designed for – fault-tolerant parallel-processing. It's not good at doing ONE task fast, but it's grat at doing THOUSANDS of tasks in parallel. |
| [20:35:48] | pplmaker: | oh, that is like a mainframe.. batch oriented |
| [20:36:01] | pplmaker: | i did actually work more on mainframe servers back then |
| [20:36:08] | pplmaker: | now THAT is truly nasty |
| [20:36:42] | wagnerrp: | kisak_laptop: if youre wondering, there is a web server on port 6547 |
| [20:37:54] | pplmaker: | youll never appreciate a modern computer if you dont know what "page mode" is |
| [20:38:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: I've never worked on a Mainframe. ;-) |
| [20:38:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: but I do have a special place in my heart for Tandem systems. ;-) |
| [20:38:43] | pplmaker: | do you also like vms? |
| [20:38:47] | pplmaker: | vax? |
| [20:39:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: what other system can you pull out any component, and it keeps running? *nothing*... |
| [20:39:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: just Tandem, PCs, and some Unix boxes too. |
| [20:40:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: ^ that's what I have experience with, not what has hardware fault-tolerance. ;-) |
| [20:41:45] | pplmaker: | i would rather use windows media center than work on a tandem server |
| [20:42:03] | pplmaker: | wmc xp |
| [20:42:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: yikes. I once wrote a Solitair game in TACL on the Tandem. ;-) |
| [20:43:03] | pplmaker: | w/graphics and everything |
| [20:43:03] | pplmaker: | ? |
| [20:43:36] | pplmaker: | in school they made us write backgammon in REXX |
| [20:43:42] | pplmaker: | or othello |
| [20:43:45] | pplmaker: | some random game |
| [20:45:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: no graphics on a 80x24 terminal, but multi-colored characters/backgrounds on a PC emulaor, yes. ;-) |
| [20:45:34] | pplmaker: | pretty fancy |
| [20:46:12] | CyberKnet: | In case anyone ever complains that compiling MythTV takes too long ... just tell them to go compile AOSP :) |
| [20:46:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: hehehe... Are you on a dev team, or just doing it on your own? I run AOSP ICS on my Captivate... |
| [20:46:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: http://mysite.verizon.net/~jartz/tandem/jeffartz/solitair.html |
| [20:46:57] | kisak_laptop: | wagnerrp: I've concluded that this is a problem that's already been fixed, and I'm just lagging behind trunk a little |
| [20:47:02] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: I'm trying to figure it all out. |
| [20:47:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: to just put on your phone, or to start developing? |
| [20:47:43] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: To put it on my phone for starters, maybe do some ROM development if it works out. |
| [20:48:06] | pplmaker: | jeffa: you took those screenshots on windows 7.. that is so wrong |
| [20:48:35] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: But finding definitive information on how to go about it ... kinda sparse. From what the guys in the channel dedicated to my phone say, I don't need to download the entire android source, but then there's not exactly a list of what you really *do* need to do. |
| [20:49:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: I hear ya. ;-) I'd love to jump in there too... There's a few apps I'd like to build for my phone. I played around with Google's "App Inventor", but that was a joke – you can't do much with that. |
| [20:50:23] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: I wrote a quick Android app once. It was interesting experience, but not enjoyable for me at all. |
| [20:50:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: hehehe... funny thing is that I wrote that in about 1993... but didn't get to uploading it on the web until a couple of years ago... ;-) |
| [20:50:45] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: It suffered a lot of the same actually... what i wanted to do was not really done much and documented. |
| [20:52:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh... that reminded me, there is a 'mythfrontend" app in the market, but it doesn't seem to like my phone much – most videos won't play. But I'm all HD now, so maybe that's the issue – most of my recordings are 1080i H.264 at up to 13Mbps... |
| [20:53:51] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: some play on mine (Samsung Galaxy S II – SGH-i777) but there's no seek or comm skip |
| [20:53:54] | CyberKnet: | so ... kinda suck. |
| [20:54:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | pplmaker: I once wrote a Tandem 6530 emulator on my Amiga – had it about 85% complete – Conversational mode worked 99%, and Block mode was partially implemented. |
| [20:56:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: I'm on a Captivate, so single-core 1Ghz. ^ no seek – ouch. |
| [21:00:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: At first I didn't like ICS virtual buttons, etc... but they've grown on me. And the latest update lets you turn off the 'virtual' buttons if you have 'hardware' buttons – which all the 'old' phones do... |
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| [21:57:17] | xrdodrx: | How can I make MythTV play an input in real time? |
| [21:57:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: you can't – it's always recording, then playing back. |
| [21:57:50] | xrdodrx: | Yeah but it's like three seconds behind |
| [21:57:56] | xrdodrx: | Can I speed that up at all? |
| [21:57:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: It's a PVR. |
| [21:58:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: No, but you could use a TV app like TV Time or something outside of Myth. You doing gaming? |
| [21:58:30] | xrdodrx: | It's my cable box :) |
| [21:58:36] | xrdodrx: | I have to use the remote to use it |
| [21:59:07] | xrdodrx: | Thank you for the TV Time recommendation J-e-f-f-A, I'll check it out |
| [21:59:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Are you just getting setup with Myth? If so, Myth should be controlling your cable box – probably with IR. |
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| [21:59:40] | xrdodrx: | J-e-f-f-A, no good – i have directv, it requires a serial cable |
| [21:59:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: What's your tuner? If it's a hardware encoder, you may be able to play it with mplayer (ie: mplayer /dev/video0 ) |
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| [22:00:12] | xrdodrx: | Hauppauge PVR-150 |
| [22:00:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Ah – if it's got a serial port, or a USB port, folks have gotten them working with *older* usb->serial chipsets. |
| [22:00:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Yep, you can use mplayer with that. |
| [22:00:45] | xrdodrx: | J-e-f-f-A, I tried but just got static and gave up, read some interesting stuff from an old ML that led nowhere. |
| [22:00:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: You may have to do a v4l2-ctl command or two to select the right input for the tuner... |
| [22:00:55] | xrdodrx: | I'd love a second opinion though :D |
| [22:02:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: v4l2-ctl --list-inputs /dev/video0 |
| [22:02:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | woops, that's not right. ;-) one sec. |
| [22:04:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: v4l2-ctl --list-inputs -d /dev/video0 |
| [22:05:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | huh... that would have worked anyways, as /dev/video0 is the default... d'oh! ;-) |
| [22:05:22] | xrdodrx: | yup, my input 0 is Tuner 1 |
| [22:05:28] | xrdodrx: | which is what I'm using (coax cable) |
| [22:05:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Oh, you're not using s-video or composite? |
| [22:05:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: so you need to set the channel number... |
| [22:05:58] | xrdodrx: | 3. |
| [22:06:01] | xrdodrx: | With ivtv-tune |
| [22:06:40] | xrdodrx: | It doesn't help, ivtv-tune -c 3 |
| [22:06:43] | xrdodrx: | mplayer /dev/video0 |
| [22:07:20] | xrdodrx: | and I get this lovely picture: http://i.imgur.com/pg4qT.jpg |
| [22:07:30] | xrdodrx: | The only thing I've been able to get it to work in is mythtv |
| [22:07:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | TBH – I've never used the Coax input on any of my Hauppauge PVR tuners – I've always used S-Video. |
| [22:08:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Yeah, that's because MythTV initializes the tuner card properly. |
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| [22:13:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... "ivtv-tune -c ##" |
| [22:14:34] | xrdodrx: | Invalid channel for 'us-cable' |
| [22:14:42] | xrdodrx: | I've tried everything. :( |
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| [22:15:02] | xrdodrx: | (Except what works!) |
| [22:15:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: got it --- v4l2-ctl -f 61.250 |
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| [22:15:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | that's the physical frequency for channel 3. |
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| [22:16:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | BTW – Is this just short-term,or while you're setting things up? You really should be using an IR blaster or Serial control to change channels on your DTV box. I used IR blasters for about 5 years with my Dish Network receivers... |
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| [22:17:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Guest73685: You can't hide, mike, we still know who you are. ;-) hehehehehe |
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| [22:20:01] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: nah, hes been doing that for close to a year now |
| [22:20:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: For the best quality out of that configuration – I'd use S-Video and Analog Audio into the PVR-250. And change channels with IR or Serial. Serial would be 'easier' – if your box has a DB9 port on it, or if it's got a USB port, you can try to find a compatible USB->Serial adapter. |
| [22:20:25] | wagnerrp: | never actually figured out how define a user name different from the one hes logged into his computer as |
| [22:20:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | aj |
| [22:20:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah |
| [22:20:38] | wagnerrp: | to prevent the server from changing his host to an unprotected name |
| [22:22:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: PS: Even with Mplayer, you're going to have a slight delay, as the card is encoding the video to MPEG2 in hardware, then mplayer has to decode it to display it. But it won't be 3 seconds... |
| [22:24:16] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: doesnt the pvr-150/250 have a framegrabber interface aswell? |
| [22:24:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: it may – I've never used it though. ;-) |
| [22:24:37] | wagnerrp: | the older ones do, newer ones like the 1600 and 2250 do not make those available |
| [22:24:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | is that the video32 or such? |
| [22:25:11] | clever: | i think i used it for testing once, and verified that the dead column of pixels is even present on the framegrabber |
| [22:25:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | I still have a 250 in my system (not currently using), and it looks like it's got /dev/video2 + /dev/video26 + /dev/video34 |
| [22:26:34] | clever: | /dev/video0 /dev/video24 /dev/video32 |
| [22:26:47] | clever: | yep, i got 3 aswell, not sure what the extra one is |
| [22:26:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah, so it does +24 and +32 |
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| [22:27:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've got two HD-PVRs that are video 0 and 1 – so that's why the PVR is up at 2. ;-) |
| [22:27:16] | clever: | yep, simple bit masking |
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| [22:27:59] | clever: | the framegrabber interface is designed to bang video directly into the video ram, for as little delay as posible |
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| [22:38:54] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: exhausted memory & swap trying to compile. giving up ;) |
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| [22:39:16] | CyberKnet: | later folks |
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| [22:39:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: wow... You would think a cell-phone OS would be easier to compile! |
| [22:39:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | I think he left before I hit 'enter'... oh well. ;-) |
| [22:40:05] | xrdodrx: | J-e-f-f-A, yes, I can do all that stuff...but... |
| [22:40:09] | xrdodrx: | This is bugging me :< |
| [22:40:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: so why are you using the box directly ? |
| [22:40:38] | xrdodrx: | v4l2-ctl -f 61.250 && mplayer /dev/video0 yields static |
| [22:40:51] | xrdodrx: | J-e-f-f-A, it has an auto-tune feature, so i do record from it |
| [22:41:51] | xrdodrx: | MythTV is doing something magical to make it work |
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| [22:45:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: ok, you should not be using the PVR functionality of your set-top-box – Myth should be doing it all. |
| [22:45:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: And I did give you the command to set channel 3 – look up a bit. ;-) |
| [22:46:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Your STB becomes a 'tuner' to MythTV. You hide the remote in a drawer with the batteries removed... Myth should be tuning the STB and recording off of it – and then you watch the recording on MythFrontend. |
| [22:47:04] | xrdodrx: | J-e-f-f-A, in a perfect world that would be happening, but in the imperfect world I live in unfortunately I haven't found a way to make that work, buying the write serial cable is way over my head and documentation for my box is sparse |
| [22:47:13] | xrdodrx: | right** |
| [22:47:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | What is your IR receiver you're using for MythTV? |
| [22:47:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | (or are you?) |
| [22:47:40] | xrdodrx: | Uh, the DirecTV remote? :< |
| [22:48:32] | xrdodrx: | This is all new to me, I got the TV service installed in my apartment last week (my landlord arranges it) |
| [22:49:09] | xrdodrx: | I had a card but it couldn't recieve analog on Linux so I bought an old PVR-150, and that's where I am now |
| [22:49:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | So... ok. Here's where the disconnect is happening. MythTV is not a 'tv tuner' application – it's a full-blown Personal Video Recorder (PVR). Is that how you intend to use it, or do you just want to get the TV display on your computer monitor? |
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| [22:49:57] | xrdodrx: | I'd never even heard of the IR Blaster route but it sounds very interesting so I'm looking into it. |
| [22:50:04] | xrdodrx: | J-e-f-f-A, that's exactly how I intend to use it :) |
| [22:50:32] | xrdodrx: | It's cumbersome currently, I'm doing the auto-tune on the box and telling myth when to record on channel 3, reminds me of using VCR's as a kid :D |
| [22:50:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Ok, then what you want is a Microsoft MCE remote – RC6 – with an IR blaster. That will do 99% of the heavly lifting for you. I'll find one on fleabay for you... |
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| [22:55:36] | xrdodrx: | In the mean time, while I'm waiting for that to come, I must have missed your command J-e-f-f-A because v4l2-ctl -f 61.250 doesn't work, but on further inspection I notice I have video24 and video32 as well |
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| [22:56:16] | xrdodrx: | If I ever do plug an old PS2 or something into it it'd be nice to be able to get instant feedback...I'm pretty lost at what to do though |
| [22:56:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, but you still have to tell it what channel to tune in – so you may have to do the v4l2-ctl command *after* starting mplayer. |
| [22:56:56] | xrdodrx: | Tried both ways... |
| [22:57:06] | xrdodrx: | (with mplayer /dev/video0) |
| [22:57:08] | xrdodrx: | Frequency set to 980 (61.250000 MHz) |
| [22:59:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | For the remote/receiver/ir blaster – here's one that I found with the search terms "MCE USB IR" — but it's in China, so slow shipping... http://www.ebay.com/itm/220937786495 |
| [23:00:11] | xrdodrx: | I found http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-Media-Cente . . . em2a0932ea8e |
| [23:00:18] | xrdodrx: | I thought I didn't need the remote? ;) |
| [23:00:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | What are you going to control MythTV with? |
| [23:01:00] | xrdodrx: | The....keyboard? :o |
| [23:01:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | And that price is way too high for just a receiver. |
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| [23:03:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: here's how you should eventually have it configured: Cable TV -> Cable STB -> Hauppauge PVR-250 |
| [23:03:13] | xrdodrx: | 150* |
| [23:03:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: IR Blaster -> Cable STB |
| [23:03:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | **HIDE** Cable STB remote. MythTV will be controlling it ONLY. IT becomes a TUNER to MythTV's PVR. |
| [23:04:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | MCE (or other Remote – but MCE is very simple to setup, and a great remote) to control MythTV. |
| [23:04:22] | xrdodrx: | Right, but you can use the keyboard as well, can't you? |
| [23:04:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: yes, but do you really want to be using a keyboard from across the room? ;-) |
| [23:04:54] | xrdodrx: | Considering the "TV" is just my monitor... |
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| [23:06:14] | xrdodrx: | Think I'll bid on http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gateway-RC6-Microsoft . . . em27c4f722eb |
| [23:06:28] | xrdodrx: | The IR Blaster route was very interesting, didn't know I could use it |
| [23:06:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Ok, then here's an auction for just the MCE Receiver (which is also a blaster) and the blaster eye: http://www.ebay.com/itm/140717758853 |
| [23:07:23] | xrdodrx: | Is there anything wrong with mine? I mean, now that you mention it, might be good to have the remote too in case I have company |
| [23:07:37] | xrdodrx: | good luck explaining to them to press P to pause and use page down and up to change channels! :P |
| [23:08:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: that one is an MCE remote – it should work fine – I don't know if the receiver has 'blaster' ports though – the one I just linked does for sure, and I even have one on my master backend right now. ;-) |
| [23:09:13] | xrdodrx: | http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-HP-MCE-IR-Receive . . . em4aa9d05795 |
| [23:09:22] | xrdodrx: | :x hong kong |
| [23:09:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | btw – you do NOT want a remote that looks like this: http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/m/muah13IFiNg1MyVjr7purTw/140.jpg <- total junk. |
| [23:10:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: wow, that remote's pretty sexy looking – looks like it's smaller than a cell phone. D'oh! |
| [23:10:39] | xrdodrx: | I'll buy the one you linked :) If I have company we should do something more fun than crowd around my computer anyway |
| [23:10:45] | xrdodrx: | ;) |
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| [23:14:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: I have two of these: (nice, with a 'learning' power button for TV) http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/thumb/d/d8/MCE . . . te-2-alt.jpg |
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| [23:15:34] | xrdodrx: | still wish i could get realtime working |
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| [23:15:41] | xrdodrx: | But I'm in the wrong channel for that :( |
| [23:16:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: and two of these... http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzxK . . . MZGs5BQ9QByA (not as nice- not backlit either) |
| [23:17:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: You will *never* get 'realtime' working in MythTV. It's the nature of a PVR – Record to disk – then playback from disk. |
| [23:17:21] | xrdodrx: | I meant in mplayer ;-) |
| [23:17:29] | xrdodrx: | That's why I said I'm in the wrong channel |
| [23:17:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | 'realtime' requires direct video-decoding to video display... ^^ ah |
| [23:18:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Oh, do you have an Android smartphone? There's a MythTV remote control app for it. (I think there's one for iOS devices too) |
| [23:18:59] | xrdodrx: | No, no smartphone. Last thing I need is more bills |
| [23:19:06] | xrdodrx: | still rocking an old nokia with a prepaid plan |
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| [23:19:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh darn, I was going to send some of my bills to you... |
| [23:19:28] | xrdodrx: | Keep 'em! |
| [23:20:21] | xrdodrx: | So I need this reciever...then I need to configure LIRC to change channels and show mythtv the script |
| [23:20:35] | xrdodrx: | and then I can control the set top box with mythtv, pretty snazzy :D |
| [23:20:56] | xrdodrx: | I have an old universal remote it should work with |
| [23:21:03] | xrdodrx: | if not, can just get another |
| [23:21:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yes. And your MythTV box needs to be on to record – so either 24x7, or a more complex setup of setting it up for ACPI sleep/wakeup on timer controlled by the scheduler. |
| [23:21:52] | xrdodrx: | It's on 24/7 anyway, I run a VM for a friend on it and some other stuff |
| [23:22:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Yes, it will work with the universal remote. ;-) You will probably have to 'learn' the codes from your remote though – a little tedious, but 'do-able'... |
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| [23:28:21] | rileyp: | xrdodrx: with a mceusb tranceiver and a blaster bead (they come with them) you can take complete control of you tv as well via lirc and keyboard shortcuts or buttons on your remote |
| [23:28:30] | LTHorn: | hello all |
| [23:28:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | !seen all |
| [23:28:43] | MythLogBot: | all has not been seen here |
| [23:28:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh Noes!!!! ;-) |
| [23:28:54] | LTHorn: | hello some |
| [23:28:59] | xrdodrx: | !seen some |
| [23:28:59] | MythLogBot: | some has not been seen here |
| [23:29:03] | xrdodrx: | :o |
| [23:29:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | what's up LTHorn ? ;-) |
| [23:29:25] | LTHorn: | not much. just very excited for .25 |
| [23:29:53] | LTHorn: | what's up with yourself? |
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| [23:31:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | LTHorn: Not a heck of a lot – just hanging out here, helping folks from time to time. ;-) |
| [23:31:50] | LTHorn: | how noble |
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| [23:32:44] | xrdodrx: | I feel like I should just buy http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-MCE-USB-IR-Rec . . . em3cbbd455c6 and wait for China shipping |
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| [23:32:59] | xrdodrx: | It's not anything extremely necessary and seems to be a heck of a better deal |
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| [23:34:05] | LTHorn: | I feel like you should too. |
| [23:34:19] | LTHorn: | looks to be of good build quality |
| [23:34:44] | LTHorn: | you could also use mythmote if you have an android phone |
| [23:35:20] | rileyp: | lt http://www.ebay.com/itm/Philips-MCE-USB-IR-Re . . . em4aacede8ea |
| [23:35:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: I personally think that receiver is ugly – remote is 'ok'... |
| [23:35:44] | rileyp: | get one that at least looks like the real deal |
| [23:35:48] | xrdodrx: | J-e-f-f-A, my workstation wouldn't make it into the magazines as it is |
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| [23:36:36] | rileyp: | I have an original in one room and the fake in another. they work the same |
| [23:36:57] | xrdodrx: | rileyp, Maybe I can buy from you? ;P |
| [23:37:49] | rileyp: | nah I want another :D |
| [23:38:09] | xrdodrx: | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-MCE-USB-IR-Rec . . . em3cbbd455c6 it is then |
| [23:38:15] | rileyp: | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-MCE-Remote- . . . em3361502f3d |
| [23:38:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: I have this type – http://www.ebay.com/itm/220626196153 |
| [23:38:32] | xrdodrx: | or... |
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| [23:39:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: That one isn't backlit, but the one I just linked ^ is backlit (mute & up – below mute is not backlit) |
| [23:40:56] | rileyp: | back lit chews batteries once you own one for a few weeks you know the button config It might be good for mrs rileyp in the bedroom though :D |
| [23:41:12] | xrdodrx: | So many choices |
| [23:42:21] | rileyp: | its a $20 question dont get to bent up on it backlit or non the last I suggested or Jeffs last one |
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| [23:44:35] | xrdodrx: | Thanks everyone. If anyone can help me get realtime working while I wait 10 to 16 days, don't hesitate to let me know... |
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| [23:44:44] | xrdodrx: | 3 seconds in between pressing buttons on my remote sucks |
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| [23:45:45] | rileyp: | xrdodrx: you scroll up and down and look whats on the channel before deciding |
| [23:46:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | rileyp: He doesn't have a blaster to control his STB yet, so he's just using MythTV as a TV Display for now. |
| [23:47:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: Do you have video cables? (3x RCA, Red, White & Yellow, or better Red, White and S-video)? |
| [23:47:41] | xrdodrx: | Might be able to find red white and yellow, definitely no S-video |
| [23:48:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | If you can do that, hook up your cable box to your 150 with them... and select the Composite video input with v4l2-ctl |
| [23:48:32] | xrdodrx: | I |
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| [23:48:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Is your 150 a half-height, or full-height with 3 RCA's on it? |
| [23:48:36] | xrdodrx: | 'll see what I can do |
| [23:49:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | If half-height, you may need an iPod-style cable – ie: 1/8" sterio to RCA – just use it in reverse. ;-) |
| [23:49:23] | xrdodrx: | ouch, actually... |
| [23:49:30] | xrdodrx: | http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-15 . . . !~~60_57.JPG is my exact card |
| [23:50:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | wait, no video except s-video on the back plate. wow. So it's got s-video and 1/8" audio input. Did it come with any adapters? Or is it an OEM card? |
| [23:50:49] | xrdodrx: | bought it just like that on eBay |
| [23:51:20] | xrdodrx: | this is why I -really- want TV IN to work |
| [23:51:26] | xrdodrx: | I know it can work since myth can do ti |
| [23:52:36] | rileyp: | the pvr 150 is an analog card isnt it? |
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| [23:52:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | xrdodrx: right – it's just a matter of sending the right v4l2-ctl command to A) Select the Tuner input B) Set the 'system' to NTSC and c) choose the frequency. |
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| [23:53:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | rileyp: yes. he's trying to tune in channel 3 outside of myth for now. |
| [23:54:27] | rileyp: | using the analog input of the card? |
| [23:54:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | yes. |
| [23:54:54] | rileyp: | messy and what he going to wacth it on a 50 cm tv? |
| [23:55:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Analog channel 3 – ^^ hehe, just his desktop monitor. ;-) |
| [23:55:14] | rileyp: | digital all the way baby |
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| [23:55:18] | quicksilver (quicksilver!~jules@roobarb.crazydogs.org) has quit (*.net *.split) | |
| [23:55:18] | Twiggy2cents (Twiggy2cents!~darren@173-25-90-98.client.mchsi.com) has quit (*.net *.split) | |
| [23:55:18] | sutula (sutula!sutula@nat/hp/x-ypbfvlxsjdqwmvnu) has quit (*.net *.split) | |
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