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[00:04:19] wagnerrp: any brits still awake?
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[01:14:46] gast: is mythcenter the only 4:3 theme?
[01:15:57] wagnerrp: no, theres also Childish
[01:17:17] gast: ahhh ok thx
[01:19:21] sphery: and, for 0.25beta, there's Steppes-narrow
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[02:46:14] k-man: is there any screenshots around of steppes-narrow?
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[02:49:32] wagnerrp: http://mythtv.org/wiki/File:Steppes-watch-recordings.jpg
[02:50:19] wagnerrp: man, its a shame all stations have to start with a K or a W
[02:50:50] wagnerrp: "The GOAT" would be an amazing callsign
[02:51:17] [R]: lol
[02:51:31] wagnerrp: KOAT, not so much
[02:51:38] wagnerrp: just doesnt have that touch of flair
[02:52:30] [R]: so waht is joe blow gonna do about protecting the circuirtry on his brand new raspberry pi
[02:52:33] [R]: ?
[02:52:43] [R]: its just a bare board
[02:53:20] wagnerrp: its a development board, it was never intended as anything more than something for hobbyists to play around with
[02:53:39] [R]: but what about all the zomg, its perfect for <insert random thing isn't not perfect for>
[02:54:21] sphery: [R]: easy, put your $35 computer in a $200 custom-made case
[02:54:34] [R]: ROFL
[02:55:13] wagnerrp: theyre welcome to feel misled, angry, and fail to receive a refund
[02:55:34] [R]: i wonder how static sensitive it is
[02:56:16] [R]: i once walked across the buidling at work with a bare board, and when i got to my destination, i was told that i could get in trouble doing that, and i probably shoudn't do it again
[02:56:32] wagnerrp: you know, i have never destroyed a piece of electronics by ESD
[02:57:07] wagnerrp: who told you that, and did you promptly punch them for being a retard?
[02:57:12] [R]: i never put my strap on
[02:57:31] wagnerrp: so? did you have skin contact with some grounded piece of metal on the board?
[02:57:34] [R]: no, its true... i can get a "corrective action report" for not following proper esd guidelines
[02:57:54] wagnerrp: the strap is only there to ensure constant contact
[02:58:01] wagnerrp: so there is no chance for a damaging charge to build up
[02:58:22] wagnerrp: if youre holding it in your hand as you carry it from one location to the next
[02:58:28] wagnerrp: there is no way youre going to cause problems
[02:58:40] [R]: yeah, the board was fine
[02:58:43] [R]: but they freak out
[02:58:47] [R]: i have to take esd training every year
[02:59:01] wagnerrp: unless you do something like scuff your shoes across the carpet all the way from one side of the building to another
[02:59:12] wagnerrp: and promptly touch your boss with a metal contact on the board
[02:59:16] [R]: lol
[02:59:27] wagnerrp: hey, you could even do it with your ESD cable attached!
[02:59:36] kisak: you should ask them, which is the greater expense, the lost inventory, or the continuing education?
[02:59:37] wagnerrp: that means youre safe, right?
[02:59:59] [R]: they also have these magic heap straps
[03:00:02] [R]: heal*
[03:00:28] [R]: and these constant monitors
[03:01:47] wagnerrp: a heal strap is only going to help if youre constantly strapped in and not walking around
[03:02:04] wagnerrp: unless youve got tracks that these straps drag along all over the building
[03:02:15] [R]: no, its for when you are in one area
[03:02:19] [R]: and standing up
[03:03:12] ** wagnerrp imagines [R] with a pantograph strapped to his head as he moves from area to area **
[03:03:39] [R]: wtf...
[03:03:57] [R]: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . nimation.gif
[03:04:52] wagnerrp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph_(rail)
[03:05:18] [R]: ROFL
[03:05:39] [R]: so my boss is from Iowa, and I asked her if she grew up on a farm
[03:05:43] [R]: sadly she was from the city
[03:05:56] [R]: but that simple question turned into a half an hour conversation about farms and cows
[03:06:33] ** wagnerrp imagines [R]'s company encourages employees to scuff their feet as they walk around the building, as the collected charge gets carried through the overhead wires and is used to power their equipment **
[03:07:30] [R]: ROFL
[03:07:31] ** wagnerrp was born in Iowa, but captains space ships **
[03:09:00] [R]: i was watching dirty jobs and he went to a dairy farm
[03:09:04] [R]: and did all the gross stuff
[03:14:29] ** wagnerrp is trying to find the HHG scene about dairy cows and babelfish, but coming up empty **
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[03:27:37] k-man: thanks wagnerrp
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[04:21:44] xris: any cablecard (hdhomerun) users know how to get the "copy" status of a channel? I have one that won't tune (cablecard or firewire), mythtv just dumps me out. hdhr has no record of the attempt in its logs
[04:22:05] wagnerrp: the HDHR's webpage should detail it
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[04:24:16] xris: right. it doesn't
[04:25:00] xris: channel list only has the list, not status. and mythtv stops trying to work with the recorder before I can look at what the specific tuner status shows.
[04:25:15] xris: which makes me wonder if it's a "disallowed" issue, or something else
[04:25:48] wagnerrp: what channel?
[04:26:12] xris: bbc america hd
[04:26:21] xris: hmm.. just before failure, the backend logs say: ERROR: invalid virtual channel
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[04:34:28] xris: ok, stuff works with firewire… so there's just something odd with the hdhr (hauppauge, actually)
[04:35:49] xris: oh interesting… if I try to tune the channel in mythtv, it fails. if I tune manually with the cable remote (firewire) it works
[04:42:13] J-e-f-f-A: xris: Who's your provider btw? We don't have BBCA here on HD yet... (as far as I know...)
[04:42:31] xris: comcast
[04:42:40] xris: bbca hd just showed up here in december
[04:42:51] J-e-f-f-A: ah. I wonder if FiOS added it ... humm... /me heads over to sd. ;-)
[04:44:03] J-e-f-f-A: :-( No BBC America HD love for me yet... :-(
[04:45:20] ** xris wonders what the heck is up with bbcahd settings in myth **
[04:45:45] xris: wonder if I can just delete all my channels and recreate from scratch.
[04:46:16] J-e-f-f-A: jeepers... "BBC America" is only available with the "Extreme HD" package, which I have... but it's not in HD – GO FIGURE...
[04:46:24] kisak: no, FiOS does not have BBCA HD
[04:46:35] [R]: XTREME
[04:46:49] J-e-f-f-A: kisak: yeah, I just looked... d'oh! I have FiOS already.
[04:47:31] kisak: J-e-f-f-A: I've been mucking about for the last 10 minutes staring at posts of people asking for it
[04:47:53] J-e-f-f-A: Humm... I'd like that too... I love the UK Top Gear. ;-)
[04:48:26] xris: looks like maybe I'm missing some important info about that channel
[04:48:31] kisak: oddly, all the UK top gear episodes are available legitimately online
[04:49:08] J-e-f-f-A: The American one has gotten better – it was total crap when they first started – they were just trying to copy the UK version, and were doing a horrible job at it. They now have their own personalities, and it's halfway decent, but still not as good as the original. ;-)
[04:50:53] kisak: they're still using old challenges which were thrown at the UK top gear
[04:50:58] xris: serviceid and mplexid are both null
[04:51:36] [R]: is it mean to name a child null?
[04:51:36] [R]: lol
[04:52:03] kisak: not if you name the chuld null in a foreign language
[04:52:13] [R]: lol
[04:52:16] kisak: s/chuld/child/
[04:52:30] xris: kisak: really? in the US?
[04:52:45] xris: I should say, for free? I know you can buy them through itunes
[04:55:06] xris: 3 channels that have missing serviceid or mplexid
[04:55:20] k-man: now that the airplay cat is out of the bag, i wonder if TV manufacturers might start including airplay directly in the TVs they make?
[04:55:25] kisak: http://www.finalgear.com/ I hopped on their irc channel and asked if there was any legal issues. feel free to ask for yourself
[04:55:27] xris: wonder how/why they're blank. that might affect mythtv's ability to tune them even if they aren't on a qam tuner
[04:55:40] xris: k-man: and risk getting sued by apple?
[04:55:59] k-man: xris, well maybe – but some of the cheap chinese rands who just don't care might?
[04:56:20] k-man: similarly to how the no name brand DVD players all do multi region
[04:57:24] k-man: s/rands/brands
[04:59:12] [R]: people buy cheap chinese tvs?
[04:59:44] k-man: [R], some do
[05:00:00] [R]: whats a chinese tv?
[05:00:07] [R]: i only know decent brands
[05:00:52] k-man: [R], well, tbh i don't know if the cheap brands are chinense, but there are definately a few brands around in .au that are cheaper/less well known
[05:02:02] k-man: like this brand here: http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/category/16-24-led-tv/
[05:02:15] xris: wow, scte65scan doesn't even see thsi channel
[05:03:26] [R]: yeah, based on the flags in the top corner, not surprised i've never heard of that one
[05:08:30] ** xris kicks the cable box **
[05:10:32] [R]: you shoudl be careful
[05:10:42] [R]: they could charge you for damage
[05:11:41] xris: well, figurative kicking
[05:11:55] xris: wonder if I should just blow away my channel info
[05:15:22] xris: wagnerrp: just guessed and set serviceid/mplexid to match the other channels in the source (0 and 32767 respectively for all). and things work.
[05:15:56] xris: considering that those values aren't used for that type of input, and mfdb --do-channel-updates didn't fix them, I guess that's probably a bug.
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[05:25:22] xris: ok, bug filed. now to go find beer.
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[08:38:04] tr_: hello there
[08:39:16] tr_: howcome mythtv continually craps it's pants once i've done a scan of my dvb-s adapter
[08:39:31] dekarl: is it hanging while scanning?
[08:39:35] tr_: starts saying it can't connect to the backend
[08:39:41] tr_: nope, scanning works fine
[08:39:55] tr_: but when time caomes for mythfilldatabase
[08:39:59] tr_: *comes
[08:40:07] tr_: the trouble begins
[08:40:22] dekarl: hmm, suddenly not being able to connect sounds like the backend crashes for some reason?
[08:40:25] tr_: also, frontends no longer manage to connect (to the db) from then on
[08:40:47] tr_: although i can easily connect to the db remotely with the mysql client
[08:41:17] tr_: doesn't appear like it
[08:44:11] tr_: when manually deleting the dvb-s channels from mythconverg.channel in the past
[08:44:15] tr_: that would fix it
[08:44:32] tr_: (keeping my dvb-t channels, which work fine)
[08:45:01] dekarl: Do you use xmltv for your DVB-S video source?
[08:46:26] tr_: no,"transmitted guide only"
[08:47:02] dekarl: then mythfilldatabase should ignore them all... (you have two different video sources, one for DVB-T and one for DVB-S, correcT?)
[08:48:24] dekarl: mythfilldatabase should tell you something like this in the log or on screen when run manually: Source 1 configured to use only the broadcasted guide data. Skipping.
[08:49:20] tr_: problem is, i'm running mythtv-setup remotely via x forwarding, the window closes as soon as it's done
[08:49:40] tr_: it's a card with both dvb-s and -t receiver
[08:49:47] tr_: but registers as 2 adaptors
[08:50:30] tr_: 2012-03–22 09:50:11.582 MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.113:6543 (try 1 of 1)
[08:50:30] tr_: 2012-03–22 09:50:11.582 Connection to master server timed out.
[08:50:34] tr_: this irritates me
[08:51:33] tr_: 2012-03–22 09:50:10.175 Source 1 configured to use only the broadcasted guide data. Skipping.
[08:51:33] tr_: 2012-03–22 09:50:10.178 Source 2 configured to use only the broadcasted guide data. Skipping.
[08:51:35] tr_: yes
[08:52:11] dekarl: that looks good. btw, you do not need mythfilldatabase if you only use DVB and the transmitted guide
[08:53:28] tr_: ok
[08:53:30] dekarl: you can use both DVB-T and -S at the same time? (if not we have to put both cards into the same input group)
[08:53:56] dekarl: hmm, did you start the backend between exiting mythtv-setup and starting mythfilldatabase?
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[08:54:25] dekarl: If you are using MythBuntu, or similar, it might be done automatically for you
[08:54:33] tr_: i let mythttv-setup do it's thing
[08:55:06] tr_: asks "run mythfilldatabase?" and i just said yes..
[08:55:34] tr_: if i can use -s and -t simultanaeously.. i'm not sure
[08:55:47] tr_: at least they register as two seperate adapters
[08:56:47] tr_: oops sorry
[08:56:58] tr_: not two adapters
[08:57:09] tr_: two frontends
[08:57:22] tr_: /dev/dvb$ ls adapter0/
[08:57:22] tr_: demux0 demux1 dvr0 dvr1 frontend0 frontend1 net0 net1
[08:58:23] dekarl: ok, just keep in mind that some hardware allows you to use both at the same time and some doesn't.
[08:58:41] tr_: mhm
[08:58:42] dekarl: you do not need to run mythfilldatabase.
[08:58:47] tr_: alright
[08:59:33] dekarl: when you say "it works with dvb-t" I understand you can record and watch recordings with four mythtvfrontend?
[08:59:43] tr_: not even tried recording yet
[08:59:51] tr_: using xbmc as client
[09:00:04] tr_: but also mythtv-client
[09:00:11] tr_: (to test)
[09:00:14] dekarl: hmm, lets see. the backend is running?
[09:01:02] tr_: yes, but i must admit i just re-deleted all dvb-s entries in mythconverg.channel
[09:02:20] tr_: once i rescan with the dvb-s adapter i assume stuff will start brealing again
[09:02:27] dekarl: you should not edit the database directly. its super easy to do that with mythtv-setup. e.g. delete the video source and readd it
[09:02:38] tr_: ok
[09:02:49] tr_: *breaking
[09:03:02] tr_: i could restart from scratch maybe
[09:03:08] tr_: remove the entire db
[09:03:23] tr_: not run mythfilldatabase, in case that has any influence
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[09:03:53] dekarl: the automatic run should not hurt, but its basically doing nothing DVB setups without xmltv
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[09:07:28] tr_: hm
[09:08:09] tr_: i might just retry the whole procedure and see what happens after a dvb-s scan
[09:09:36] tr_: does the mythtv backend log to a file samewhere?
[09:09:53] dekarl: it depends
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[09:10:10] dekarl: if your packager liked you they are in /var/log/mythtv
[09:10:42] tr_: no he didn't :(
[09:12:11] dekarl: btw, what distribution are you using?
[09:12:28] tr_: ubuntu server 11.10
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[09:13:13] tr_: for the backend :)
[09:13:28] dekarl: and this is a shared server (running mythtv and other stuff)
[09:13:43] tr_: currently actually no
[09:13:56] tr_: currently only mythtv
[09:14:06] tr_: set up the system yesterday
[09:14:07] dekarl: if not, why not install MythBuntu from scratch? its known to work :D
[09:14:35] tr_: well, it should actually not be only for mythtv
[09:14:38] dekarl: you can turn ubuntu server into mythbuntu somehow, but I don't know how...
[09:14:51] tr_: in fact i started out from a system that "served" other stuff
[09:14:53] dekarl: Mythbuntu is just Ubuntu + Mythtv + Integration
[09:15:14] tr_: but, since i only had crappy usb adapters on that one
[09:15:20] tr_: i switched to another box
[09:15:27] tr_: with a hauppauge pci card
[09:15:31] dekarl: like start and stop scripts that log to /var/log/mythtv ;)
[09:15:36] tr_: hehe
[09:15:39] tr_: mhm
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[09:17:21] tr_: hauppauge hvr-3000 just for the record
[09:17:34] dekarl: the reinstall is just a quick way to get to a known good state. you can get there by other means, too
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[09:17:57] tr_: mhm
[09:18:03] tr_: could give it a try
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[09:19:52] dekarl: you could try to run # find / -name mythbackend.log
[09:20:22] dekarl: got to leave for work now
[09:20:41] tr_: ok
[09:20:46] tr_: ty
[09:21:04] dekarl: yw
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[10:02:07] stse: Hi! Are German users here who can suggest a working TV card for analogue TV and DVB-C (two tuners)? I don't care if PCI, PCIe or USB, as long as the card is working with kernel > 3.x.
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[10:20:24] k-man: is there some way to examine the EIT data as it is received in the DVBT stream?
[10:26:43] k-man: would the EIT data be in a DVB-t recording?
[10:40:47] peitolm: depends if it's a .ps or a .ts
[10:41:03] peitolm: (and how much of the .ts it's keeping)
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[11:33:24] anykey_: stse: look @digital-devices.de for a dual tuner dvb-c card, no analogue though
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[12:23:26] stse: anykey_: thanks, do you use one of them yourself?
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[12:33:06] anykey_: stse: yes, since about one year, never really had a problem, works perfectly (I'm using a dvb-s2 one + a dual-tuner extension for dvb-c)
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[12:38:40] stse: anykey_: thanks for the information. So I assume the linux drivers are working fine?
[12:39:25] anykey_: stse: yes
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[12:43:20] stse: anykey_: okay, great. Thank you very much.
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[13:02:26] wagnerrp: k-man: no, EIT data is independent from the channel streams
[13:02:41] wagnerrp: you _can_ capture it using tsreader or some other application
[13:02:48] wagnerrp: but mythtv does not store it with recordings
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[13:29:47] stse: anykey_: *sigh*, no CI+, so no HDTV
[13:30:28] anykey_: stse: no linux tv card will ever have CI+...
[13:30:45] wagnerrp: you can always pick up an HDPVR and capture 1080i component
[13:31:13] anykey_: stse: which channels use CI+?
[13:33:27] stse: anykey_: I don't know. A friend (using a dreambox) said that I would need CI+ for HDTV. What is Eurosport using?
[13:33:55] anykey_: stse: Depends on your cable provider, I guess.
[13:34:07] stse: anykey_: Kabel Deutschland
[13:34:20] stse: maybe I should ask him
[13:34:33] anykey_: stse: maybe, I'm in Switzerland, I don't know eiter ;)
[13:34:36] wagnerrp: stse: the problem is that CI is a conditional access system, while CI+ is a full DRM system
[13:34:51] wagnerrp: conditional access means as long as your subscription carries that channel, you can use it
[13:35:27] wagnerrp: DRM means your subscription may carry that channel, but you can only use it if the device you are trying to use it through will maintain protection of the content, and no allow you to access it on your own accord
[13:35:48] anykey_: stse: Eurosport on DVB-S (satellite) is unencrypted, I think. Also the Sky subscription can be used with a CAM, I think
[13:35:52] wagnerrp: mythtv is open source, and thus has no technical possibility of implementing DRM
[13:36:09] stse: wagnerrp: ah, thanks for the explanation
[13:36:13] wagnerrp: and as such, it will never be licensed for use with any DRM scheme
[13:36:51] wagnerrp: DRM requires closed source binary distribution, in order to have access keys within the software, but prevent the user from using those keys to breach the protection around the content
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[13:37:53] CiaranG: s/prevent/make it harder/ ;)
[13:38:00] peitolm: anykey_: i thought eurosport was encrypted,
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[13:39:13] peitolm: ah, which sat cluster? it doesn't look to be available in the clear on 28.
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[13:39:19] peitolm: 28.2E i mean
[13:40:17] anykey_:
[13:40:30] peitolm: o.k. Eurosport Germany is on 19.2 in the clear
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[15:29:54] skd5aner: what are the major remaining bugs in RC1 that need to be fixed before release?
[15:30:01] skd5aner: any major/blocker ones?
[15:31:40] tmkt: might have one for you
[15:31:45] tmkt: just have to write it out tonight
[15:31:53] tmkt: livetv issue
[15:31:55] skd5aner: I mean, i'm aware of this – http://code.mythtv.org/trac/query?status=info . . . lestone=0.25
[15:32:14] skd5aner: tmkt: what's the issue?
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[16:42:27] tmkt: skd5aner: So I have hd homerun
[16:42:31] tmkt: both tuners are in use
[16:42:37] tmkt: sorry
[16:42:46] tmkt: 1 tuner is in use recording, i go to live TV
[16:42:50] tmkt: and it puts me on a channel
[16:43:04] tmkt: if I use guide to try to change channels, I get an error message that all tuners are in user
[16:43:07] tmkt: use
[16:43:21] tmkt: if I use channel up/channel down channel changing works as expected
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[17:01:07] kisak: wagnerrp: it's now been 18 hours and the mystery change to nuvexport hasn't revealed itself on github on the 5 branches listed :/
[17:01:59] kisak: again, just a curiosity to me, nothing more
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[17:10:12] wagnerrp: i told you, the change was made a year ago
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[17:19:42] wagnerrp: kisak: the changes were committed a year ago, but only pushed to the repository very recently
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[17:36:13] MrPaco: what channel is recommended to ask for an issue on beta mythtv?
[17:36:23] wagnerrp: here
[17:36:38] MrPaco: ok thank you
[17:38:13] MrPaco: when i start to scan channels, the system breaks at 10%, i`m wathing the logs on /var/log/myth but cant find anything special
[17:38:30] MrPaco: the dvb-t card is recognized and works, but breaks at 10%
[17:38:58] MrPaco: if i remove the cable then can work at 100% but cant find channels jejejeje
[17:39:25] MrPaco: is a nova-td-hd 500 with diversity, and i have tested with firmware selected
[17:39:48] MrPaco: what can i test or what log for check the problem? maybe is a firmware failure?
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[18:59:29] skd5aner: tmkt: is this with the very latest version of master?
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[19:20:52] tmkt: i'll have to check tonight to confirm
[19:21:22] skd5aner: tmkt: there was some similiar (long time) issues fixed a few weeks ago
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[19:31:00] tmkt: ok
[19:31:04] tmkt: could be
[19:31:13] tmkt: i noticed it a couple weeks ago
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[21:29:51] skd5aner: to bad this isn't a feed or API – http://www.cbs.com/eye-lerts/
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[21:30:00] skd5aner: would be nice to auto reschedule stuff
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[21:51:06] k-man: wagnerrp, thanks for the info
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[22:39:13] hpeter: i've updated to 0.25 and works fine so far except tv-guide-data
[22:39:30] hpeter: till now i ran /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase --file 1 /home/ubuntu/xmltv-data/data.xml
[22:39:48] hpeter: but now i get
[22:40:14] hpeter: Boolean type options do not accept values:
[22:40:15] hpeter: --file
[22:40:15] hpeter: Received '1' but unassociated arguments have not been enabled
[22:40:27] hpeter: any idea what's wrong?
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[22:57:48] Beirdo: wagnerrp: any update on the proposed fate for the jobqueue-rewrite branch?
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[23:36:39] Hydr0p0nX: anyone around ?
[23:36:44] Hydr0p0nX: my scheduler seems to be hosed
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