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| [01:10:20] | TheAsp: | grr... |
| [01:10:28] | TheAsp: | ccache doesnt work as well as it used to for compiling myth |
| [01:16:23] | wagnerrp: | im sure it works every bit as well as it used to |
| [01:16:32] | wagnerrp: | youve just waited too long between compiling |
| [01:16:36] | wagnerrp: | or your cache size is too small |
| [01:16:44] | wagnerrp: | the default for ccache is 1GB |
| [01:17:00] | wagnerrp: | which means the first bits of mythtv get flushed out by the time your finished compiling the last bits |
| [01:17:09] | wagnerrp: | and you only get maybe 5% hit rate |
| [01:17:23] | TheAsp: | this is my second build |
| [01:17:23] | TheAsp: | ;) |
| [01:17:30] | TheAsp: | and i upped mine to 2 |
| [01:17:41] | wagnerrp: | before or after running the first? |
| [01:17:52] | TheAsp: | many years before |
| [01:17:52] | clever: | wagnerrp: that gives me an idea, have configure/Makefile force ccache to use .ccache within the build dir, with a higher cache size |
| [01:18:52] | ** TheAsp chants build build build ** | |
| [01:19:50] | TheAsp: | cool, almost done |
| [01:19:53] | ** TheAsp crosses fingers ** | |
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| [01:32:24] | hoshi411: | do most tv pci cards run on linux? im hoping to stop by my local electrical appliance shop and pick something up. want to do live tv streaming and recording with mythtv. is there a card you recommend? or something I should stay away from? |
| [01:32:34] | TheAsp: | hoshi411: where do you live? |
| [01:32:41] | wagnerrp: | japan |
| [01:32:44] | hoshi411: | TheAsp: japan |
| [01:32:52] | TheAsp: | annnnd then i see his dns |
| [01:32:57] | wagnerrp: | if the name wasnt an indication, the login mas certainly was :) |
| [01:32:58] | hoshi411: | : ) |
| [01:33:09] | hoshi411: | wife is japanese |
| [01:33:11] | wagnerrp: | youre looking for an ISDB-T tuner |
| [01:33:12] | hoshi411: | im from america |
| [01:33:29] | wagnerrp: | which are sadly pretty poorly supported |
| [01:33:52] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just supports the standard linux capture apis, and can use any cards with drivers that implement such |
| [01:33:59] | wagnerrp: | the linuxtv project writes and maintains the drivers |
| [01:34:05] | hoshi411: | isdb-t tuner... hmmm. my digital tv box has svideo out... |
| [01:34:12] | wagnerrp: | as well as a semi-official list of support found at... |
| [01:34:14] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [01:34:14] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [01:34:44] | wagnerrp: | svideo, you should be able to capture with just about any capture card |
| [01:34:59] | wagnerrp: | usually they work with both PAL and NTSC |
| [01:35:13] | wagnerrp: | and i assume that NTSC-J is grouped in there too |
| [01:35:21] | wagnerrp: | !url hardwareencoder |
| [01:35:21] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword hardwareencoder |
| [01:35:24] | hoshi411: | wagnerrp: so if I get a pci card that supports svideo then i should be golden right? |
| [01:35:26] | wagnerrp: | !url – list |
| [01:35:26] | MythLogBot: | analoghw currentrelease deleteme(disabled) devrelease digitalhw down faq fixesrelease google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs overscan overview pastebin recordingcable theming tuners upnp vdpau wiki |
| [01:35:36] | wagnerrp: | !url analoghw |
| [01:35:36] | MythLogBot: | analoghw: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Analog_Hardware_Encoder_Cards |
| [01:35:40] | wagnerrp: | there it is |
| [01:35:58] | wagnerrp: | if you can find one, a PVR-150 would work well |
| [01:36:05] | wagnerrp: | but they havent been manufactured in several years |
| [01:36:16] | wagnerrp: | and i dont know if they were ever sold in japan anyway |
| [01:36:45] | wagnerrp: | stateside, they go used on ebay for ~$20 |
| [01:37:04] | hoshi411: | hmm... that is a lot of information |
| [01:37:47] | hoshi411: | i also would probably need to configure mythtv to work with japanese tv channels to get the chanel list working too right |
| [01:37:58] | hoshi411: | that is not some automatic magical thing Im guessing |
| [01:38:17] | wagnerrp: | well thats another thing |
| [01:38:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtv needs to be able to control the STB, which means an IR blaster, or potentially firewire |
| [01:38:36] | wagnerrp: | (or serial, or something else) |
| [01:38:43] | hoshi411: | i dont know what an stb is |
| [01:38:48] | wagnerrp: | set-top-box |
| [01:38:50] | hoshi411: | or ir blaster |
| [01:39:06] | wagnerrp: | your remote uses IR |
| [01:39:06] | hoshi411: | ah ok |
| [01:39:14] | wagnerrp: | an "IR blaster" is just a transmitter |
| [01:39:24] | wagnerrp: | that allows mythtv to control your STB using the same signals as your remote |
| [01:39:43] | hoshi411: | im just hoping to use a keyboard and mouse for now |
| [01:39:59] | wagnerrp: | thats fine, but mythtv still needs a way to control the STB to change channels |
| [01:40:09] | hoshi411: | ah i see |
| [01:40:15] | hoshi411: | never thought about that |
| [01:40:19] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed to record, using pre-defined schedules |
| [01:40:25] | hoshi411: | right right |
| [01:40:25] | wagnerrp: | not just capture what is currently being output |
| [01:40:29] | wagnerrp: | which brings up the next point |
| [01:40:32] | wagnerrp: | you need guide data |
| [01:40:52] | TheAsp: | the fuck! I had multiple backends running |
| [01:40:54] | hoshi411: | right... ive been looking at some japanese sites and it looks like mythtv is gaining some popularity in japan |
| [01:40:56] | wagnerrp: | typically, that is going to mean XMLTV... but i have no idea what is available for such use in japan |
| [01:41:09] | wagnerrp: | TheAsp: please watch your language in this channel |
| [01:41:16] | hoshi411: | right... i will have to research some japanese mythtv sites for that one |
| [01:41:17] | TheAsp: | sorry |
| [01:41:46] | hoshi411: | wagnerrp: i guess I just need to figure out what to put in my pc that will allow it to control my tv...... |
| [01:41:53] | hoshi411: | in japan we have something called Chi-Digi |
| [01:41:59] | hoshi411: | which is like a new thing taking over here |
| [01:42:00] | wagnerrp: | control your tv? or control your STB? |
| [01:42:07] | hoshi411: | everyone is on digital tv now |
| [01:42:26] | hoshi411: | so now I actually have a little box that runs my tv and captures and even records |
| [01:42:47] | hoshi411: | but it is like ... java based and the standard japanese government system |
| [01:43:16] | wagnerrp: | sounds similar to MHEG used in DVB countries |
| [01:43:45] | hoshi411: | so i have tv line going to chi-digi and chi-digi going to computer and computer going to tv ,,,, was my plan |
| [01:44:22] | hoshi411: | but i doubt mythtv would be able to control that chi-digi box |
| [01:44:39] | wagnerrp: | well... it can control it as well as it can any other external tuner |
| [01:44:45] | wagnerrp: | which is... not at all |
| [01:44:48] | hoshi411: | haha |
| [01:44:51] | wagnerrp: | it just allows you to define a script |
| [01:45:07] | wagnerrp: | when it wants to tune a channel, it runs that script, with the channel number as the single command line argument |
| [01:45:21] | wagnerrp: | and expects the script to handle everything, and return successful when finished |
| [01:46:00] | hoshi411: | hmm.... so... |
| [01:46:19] | hoshi411: | it would be great if I could see like a diagram or someting of a working sysstem |
| [01:46:32] | hoshi411: | with all the working hardware... of a system like mine |
| [01:46:41] | wagnerrp: | !url overview |
| [01:46:41] | MythLogBot: | overview: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [01:46:49] | hoshi411: | it is hard to get my head around it |
| [01:47:04] | wagnerrp: | basically, youve got your backend, your frontend, and your database |
| [01:47:08] | hoshi411: | wagnerrp: nice thanks |
| [01:47:17] | wagnerrp: | they can be on the same machine, they can be on separate machines |
| [01:47:25] | wagnerrp: | you can have multiple backends with multiple tuners each |
| [01:47:33] | wagnerrp: | you can have multiple frontends pulling content off those backends |
| [01:48:02] | wagnerrp: | rather than try to record from some STB, you would probably be better off just trying to find an ISDB tuner card |
| [01:48:14] | wagnerrp: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ISDB-T_Devices |
| [01:48:33] | wagnerrp: | but as mentioned, those with support in linux are rather uncommon |
| [01:48:39] | hoshi411: | but this diagram doesnt show where my house tv line and chidigi box comes in |
| [01:49:06] | kisak: | wagnerrp: I just looked at that MythTV Functionality Diagram, and all I thought was that those PCI cards are backwards |
| [01:51:38] | wagnerrp: | kisak: theyre actually UIO cards, not PCI |
| [01:52:05] | hoshi411: | [tv-line] [chi-digi-tuner] [linux-computer] [tv monitor] how do these fit together with what hardware? |
| [01:52:21] | wagnerrp: | hoshi411: i dont actually know off hand if we have a picture depicting that anywhere |
| [01:52:50] | hoshi411: | [tv-line] ====> [chi-digi-tuner] this part is working fine |
| [01:53:10] | wagnerrp: | the STB would be hooked up to whatever PC you have 'mythbackend' running on |
| [01:53:27] | hoshi411: | [computer] =====> [tv monitor] this partr is no problem |
| [01:53:27] | wagnerrp: | through the svideo output on the STB, into the svideo input on a capture card |
| [01:53:35] | wagnerrp: | with IR or some other mechanism to control the STB |
| [01:53:56] | kisak: | wagnerrp: show me one example of a UIO tv tuner card and I'll believe that |
| [01:54:08] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, the frontend and backend are functionally separate, connected over the network |
| [01:54:31] | wagnerrp: | they can be as close or as far away as you want, so long as you have sufficient bandwidth and socket permissions |
| [01:54:48] | hoshi411: | i just need to figure out [chi-digi-tuner] =====> [tv-monitor] or is it not a single line like that |
| [01:55:14] | wagnerrp: | no, anything mythtv is told it can control gets dedicated to mythtv |
| [01:55:28] | wagnerrp: | it does not expect to have to compete with other applications or people for access to hardware |
| [01:55:31] | hoshi411: | from what I am hearing , you are explaining something like [chi-digi] ==> [tvmonitor] ===> [chidigi] like a circle O_o |
| [01:55:49] | wagnerrp: | the STB and the TV do not touch |
| [01:56:00] | wagnerrp: | all video gets dumped into mythbackend |
| [01:56:04] | wagnerrp: | and comes back out mythfrontend |
| [01:56:05] | hoshi411: | i was expecting mythtv to pull the tv info from the internet |
| [01:56:40] | hoshi411: | how could it change the channel ... wow... i can't figure it out |
| [01:56:56] | hoshi411: | mythtv change the channel of my tuner /: | |
| [01:56:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv would pull guide data from the internet through the use of an XMLTV grabber |
| [01:57:04] | kisak: | it should look like [chi-digi] --> [mythbackend] --> [mythfrontend] --> [tv/monitor] and the backend and frontend can be on the same computer |
| [01:57:05] | hoshi411: | ah right |
| [01:57:10] | wagnerrp: | what grabbers are available for japan, i dont know |
| [01:57:23] | wagnerrp: | mythtv would change the channel on the STB through the use of an IR blaster, as mentioned |
| [01:57:31] | hoshi411: | kisak: yes i am planning to have the back and front end be the same computer |
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| [01:57:48] | hoshi411: | wagnerrp: so is there an irblaster that works on linux? |
| [01:57:53] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Using_an_IR_Blaster_with_MythTV |
| [01:58:10] | wagnerrp: | note, IR blasters _suck_ |
| [01:58:17] | wagnerrp: | if you can avoid using one, do avoid using one |
| [01:58:27] | wagnerrp: | which is why i keep urging you towards a digital tuner |
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| [01:59:46] | hoshi411: | wagnerrp: which digtal tuner do you recommend? i think i already have one... is what I was saying |
| [01:59:59] | hoshi411: | the chi-digi tuner is a digital tuner |
| [02:00:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont recommend any, as i dont know of any |
| [02:00:26] | wagnerrp: | japan, parts of asia, and brazil are about the only places that use ISDB |
| [02:00:28] | hoshi411: | wagnerrp: but then how do you use mythtv streaming and recording on linux... from what you are saying it sounds almost impossible |
| [02:00:32] | wagnerrp: | and we dont get many users from any of those |
| [02:00:39] | wagnerrp: | what now? |
| [02:01:01] | hoshi411: | you are telling me you dont use all this stuff... then what do YOU use? |
| [02:01:06] | wagnerrp: | over here, we use ATSC. in europe, they use DVB |
| [02:01:07] | hoshi411: | ill go with the same system |
| [02:01:15] | wagnerrp: | different television formats, different hardware to use it with |
| [02:01:38] | wagnerrp: | i can tell you what hardware im using, but it wont do you any good unless you move back to north america |
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| [02:02:19] | hoshi411: | wagnerrp: but how do you get around using an ir-blaster |
| [02:02:24] | hoshi411: | it seems like the only way |
| [02:02:35] | hoshi411: | how else would you get mythtv to control your tuner? |
| [02:02:37] | wagnerrp: | i have three digital tuners |
| [02:02:50] | wagnerrp: | one internal card, two network attached |
| [02:02:56] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv controls them directly |
| [02:02:59] | hoshi411: | how? |
| [02:03:04] | hoshi411: | how is that possible |
| [02:03:09] | hoshi411: | to control it directly |
| [02:03:09] | wagnerrp: | because theyre tuners, and not simply capture devices |
| [02:03:14] | wagnerrp: | you are talking about using a capture device |
| [02:03:23] | wagnerrp: | where you simply capture some baseband input, in this case svideo |
| [02:03:39] | wagnerrp: | and you are using an EXTERNAL tuner to tune the channel and output that baseband video |
| [02:03:59] | wagnerrp: | internal tuners, such a PCI[e] or USB tuner cards can be controlled directly |
| [02:04:09] | wagnerrp: | using the interface provided by the linuxtv project and their drivers |
| [02:04:31] | hoshi411: | wagnerrp: hmm then I want to use a tuner that will get me away from having to use an ir blaster |
| [02:04:42] | hoshi411: | what ever is the simplest way... im all for it |
| [02:04:45] | wagnerrp: | which would be an ISDB-T tuner |
| [02:05:12] | wagnerrp: | but as mentioned, i have no experience with those, and its a fair chance no one else in here does either |
| [02:05:21] | wagnerrp: | you can try asking in our mailing list, or on the linuxtv mailing list |
| [02:05:35] | hoshi411: | why would you suggest something that you don't use? i want to use the tuner that you use? |
| [02:06:01] | wagnerrp: | thats what im saying, im not suggesting any one tuner, because i have no experience with them |
| [02:06:15] | wagnerrp: | im giving you a type of tuner |
| [02:06:27] | wagnerrp: | suited for the type of television broadcast used in japan |
| [02:07:26] | wagnerrp: | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . tandards.svg |
| [02:07:45] | wagnerrp: | i use cards that support yellow |
| [02:07:51] | wagnerrp: | you need a card that supports green |
| [02:08:07] | wagnerrp: | in a couple of hours, the european users will start waking up and they have cards that support blue |
| [02:09:08] | hoshi411: | ok... i see... and the yellow ones are proven to work with mythtv |
| [02:09:13] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:09:17] | hoshi411: | but the green ones have not been tested as much |
| [02:09:20] | wagnerrp: | the yellow ones are used in north america |
| [02:09:24] | hoshi411: | right |
| [02:09:30] | wagnerrp: | the blue ones are used in europe and australia |
| [02:09:33] | hoshi411: | i understand that |
| [02:09:41] | wagnerrp: | there are just a lot of mythtv users in those areas that are using various tuners |
| [02:09:52] | hoshi411: | right right.. that's what I wanted to say |
| [02:09:55] | wagnerrp: | and a lot of linuxtv developers in those areas writing driver support for those tuner |
| [02:10:01] | hoshi411: | right |
| [02:10:20] | hoshi411: | so even if I get a green card... i will most likely not be able to use it with linux |
| [02:11:09] | wagnerrp: | that link i gave you a while back... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ISDB-T_Devices |
| [02:11:19] | wagnerrp: | lists ISDB tuners that are supported in linux |
| [02:11:28] | wagnerrp: | most of them appear to be USB |
| [02:11:51] | hoshi411: | ah.. that might be good |
| [02:12:11] | wagnerrp: | but all i really have to give you is some general overview |
| [02:12:17] | wagnerrp: | i dont know much (or really anything) about them |
| [02:12:20] | hoshi411: | ok... i will give one of those a shot. ... thanks wagnerrp, you helped me a lot |
| [02:12:34] | hoshi411: | right because they are not from your side of the world right |
| [02:12:53] | wagnerrp: | try on the linxtv channels and mailing lists |
| [02:13:01] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to find someone more experienced with those |
| [02:13:07] | hoshi411: | ah ok |
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| [02:21:32] | hoshi411: | thanks wagnerrp.. im really sorry to stress you out and really appreciate you taking your time like that for me... im gonna look for what you suggested and do some more research |
| [02:21:41] | wagnerrp: | good luck |
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| [02:27:57] | hoshi411: | wagnerrp: i have to say... i didn't understand like 90% of what you were saying but now after the sites you showed me and just trying to get my brain to catch up with it ... i think i understand... i so much appreciate how you've helped me.... without you , this would not even have been possible for me... still might not be possible in japan but :p at least i will know why.. in the very least I will be happy wth myth tv |
| [02:27:58] | hoshi411: | playing my personal content... thank you |
| [02:28:22] | wagnerrp: | thats what the channel is here for |
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| [02:33:17] | mgpaulus: | Hi all. I am pulling out my hair trying to understand how to get show metadata (like series/episode numbers) for all my recordings on my 0.24–2 setup |
| [02:33:35] | mgpaulus: | Would anyone be willing to discuss this with me in one syllable words I can understand? |
| [02:34:16] | wagnerrp: | it can not be done |
| [02:34:53] | mgpaulus: | Ahh, the answer I was looking for and fearing. |
| [02:35:02] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [02:35:12] | mgpaulus: | So, If I want that, I have to either step up to 0.25, or write my own thing |
| [02:35:17] | mgpaulus: | ? |
| [02:35:18] | wagnerrp: | the Video Library has season/episode support starting back in 0.22 |
| [02:35:26] | wagnerrp: | but those values were not added to recordings until 0.25 |
| [02:35:32] | mgpaulus: | Yeah, but I don't have Videos. I have recordings |
| [02:36:04] | wagnerrp: | in 0.25, there is an optional task that can be run automatically after a recording starts |
| [02:36:28] | wagnerrp: | that queries your defined metadata grabber (thetvdb) for the season and episode numbers for that subtitle |
| [02:36:51] | wagnerrp: | followed by a batch task that runs daily and pulls new artwork for all recordings with such information marked |
| [02:37:11] | mgpaulus: | are you running 0.25 yet? |
| [02:37:22] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [02:38:11] | mgpaulus: | how much has the protocol changed between 0.24 and 0.25? One of my FEs is a Hauppauge MVP running MVPMC, and I don't know it it'll recognize 0.25 protocol |
| [02:38:31] | wagnerrp: | in all likelihood, it will not |
| [02:38:58] | mgpaulus: | Ok, guess I'll bumble along and figure something out. Thanks for the clear answers. |
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| [03:21:01] | kisak: | mvpmc's site says it supports upnp in general, and if the video streams worked before, there's a fairly good chance they would work over upnp, so that mgpaulus guy would just be loosing any mythtv-specific features of mvpmc, or did I miss something |
| [04:15:53] | wagnerrp: | does anyone know WTF is with these colonoscopy PSAs CBS has been running the last several months? |
| [04:16:01] | wagnerrp: | its freaking me out |
| [04:16:24] | [R]: | what are tehy saying? |
| [04:16:25] | wagnerrp: | why is ozzy osbourne excited about getting rectally probed? |
| [04:16:51] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:17:35] | wagnerrp: | "ozzy" "yes?" "do you have a secret fantasy?" "yes, i'd like to fly to new york to get a colonoscopy"... "enter the cbs cares colonoscopy sweepstakes. you could be our winner!" |
| [04:17:56] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:18:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont dare try to find out what the prize is |
| [04:18:46] | [R]: | im watching it |
| [04:18:57] | [R]: | Enter the CBS Cares colonoscopy sweepstakes at cbscares.tv for a chance to win a trip to New York City and a free colonoscopy. |
| [04:19:29] | [R]: | wagnerrp: they're pretty expensive... |
| [04:22:00] | wagnerrp: | dont medical plans typically cover such things? |
| [04:22:25] | wagnerrp: | by "pretty expensive", i still cant imagine its more than a couple grand |
| [04:22:44] | [R]: | you dont think a couple grand is pretty expensive? |
| [04:24:04] | knightr: | wagnerrp, here (Canada) they are around $600 in the private sector and fee in the public one (but I am told it can take forever to have it done in the public sector unless they have a (good) reason to rush your test) |
| [04:24:12] | knightr: | s/fee/free |
| [04:24:13] | wagnerrp: | some intense enemas, a sedative, a bit of doctor time, and a several foot long condom |
| [04:24:19] | [R]: | LOL |
| [04:24:24] | wagnerrp: | it just shouldnt cost that much |
| [04:24:43] | [R]: | i want to say it was like $5 |
| [04:24:47] | [R]: | maybe it was $3, i forget |
| [04:24:53] | [R]: | (yes, i had one like 2 years ago) |
| [04:24:58] | wagnerrp: | well thats your co-pay |
| [04:25:09] | [R]: | k |
| [04:25:11] | [R]: | $3k |
| [04:25:11] | wagnerrp: | im saying even for someone with no medical insurance, i cant imagine its all that much |
| [04:25:46] | wagnerrp: | and $3K seems a pretty pithy prize for a nationwide CBS sweepstakes |
| [04:26:06] | wagnerrp: | hell, depending on how they fly you to new york, that could easily be >>$3K |
| [04:26:28] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:26:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont know, maybe they take you to dinner and a broadway show before scoping you |
| [04:28:27] | [R]: | ok |
| [04:28:29] | [R]: | i fouhnd all my bills |
| [04:28:49] | [R]: | the doctors bill was 625 |
| [04:28:53] | knightr: | wagnerrp, [r] guys, that's the only thing you need: http://bit.ly/tQy4Zc |
| [04:29:20] | ** wagnerrp is frightened by the link knightr felt the need to hide behind a link shortener ** | |
| [04:29:39] | [R]: | the hospital visit was $2500 |
| [04:29:47] | knightr: | (and I'm joking by the way, there are risks involved with it even when performed by a doctor...) |
| [04:29:54] | [R]: | my trip to the ER was $5500 |
| [04:30:13] | wagnerrp: | thats awesome! i want one! |
| [04:30:30] | knightr: | wagnerrp, didn't want to give DX free publicity, that's the real link: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/waterproof-usb-2 . . . scope-110228 |
| [04:30:36] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how you would steer it |
| [04:30:40] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:31:03] | ** knightr had one about 3 years ago btw... ** | |
| [04:31:34] | wagnerrp: | i guess the difference is its just a camera at the end of a long USB cable |
| [04:31:42] | wagnerrp: | not a true "scope" |
| [04:31:43] | [R]: | that doesnt sound very sterile... |
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| [04:48:17] | wagnerrp: | now this one is impressive... |
| [04:48:29] | wagnerrp: | they just backtraced someone's IP in NCIS |
| [04:48:36] | wagnerrp: | the IP was 1200.59.6.44z |
| [04:48:52] | wagnerrp: | i dont know which is more absurd, the "1200" or the "z" |
| [04:53:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think that's how IPv6 does it |
| [04:53:23] | sphery: | it's just a fad, though--I'm sure it'll fade and we'll all stick with v4 |
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| [07:30:00] | henrik_: | hello! I was watching tv yesterday on a channel that only sends between 7pm and 2am (comedy channel on dvb-t in Sweden, However now when I turn the system on, it's stuck on that channel and I get a hoppbuffer error. I went in to the backend and changed the starting channel to something that is brodcasting right now. But it will for some reason not change channel on frontend, When I go in to livetv, it tries to open comed |
| [07:30:00] | henrik_: | y channel that is not broadcasting right now. Any workaround? |
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| [07:50:35] | peeaivo: | Hi, I have TechnoTrend TT-connect CT-3650 CI and I can't get crypted channels to work. It just whines that a channel is partially locked. I hear that it's possible to get pay channels to work but the question is: how? |
| [07:53:47] | dekarl: | peeaivo: you have a smart card and matching CAM in your device? Then it should more/less "just work" |
| [07:54:50] | peeaivo: | dekarl: Yup. They do work in my television so I figured they'd work in the DVB thingy, too D: |
| [07:55:37] | dekarl: | peeaivo: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TechnoTrend . . . t_CT-3650_CI says you need a recent linux kernel: As of kernel 3.2, the CI interface is now also supported and can be used to decrypt pay-TV with the use of a CAM. |
| [07:57:39] | peeaivo: | dekarl: Using 3.2.11 here, so I doubt recent kernel is the problem D: |
| [07:58:06] | peeaivo: | And I have created hardlinks and all D: |
| [07:59:33] | peeaivo: | well, actually udev rules to make a fake adapter1 but it's basically the same thing. |
| [08:00:05] | dekarl: | that page refers to a mailing list post by kenni who got it working (that's our kenni in this channel, maybe you can catch him) |
| [08:01:11] | peeaivo: | he goes by kenni on IRC? |
| [08:01:17] | dekarl: | aye |
| [08:01:28] | peeaivo: | yessir, cool. |
| [08:02:30] | dekarl: | I'm a bit confused with the talk about adapter{0,1} vs. adapter0/{ci,demux,dvr,net,frontent}{0,1} |
| [08:04:01] | dekarl: | sorry, I can't help more. but I have not practical experience with this CI/CAM stuff |
| [08:04:39] | peeaivo: | No worries, it's kinda strange that CAM doesn't work D: |
| [08:05:08] | peeaivo: | and the adapter{0,1} method makes it possible to use the second frontend on mplayer. |
| [08:10:11] | dekarl: | can you use both frontends at the same time? |
| [08:10:40] | dekarl: | mythtv will happily take all frontends you throw at it and record as it fits :D |
| [08:13:04] | peeaivo: | nope, I have DVB-T D: So I cannot use DVB-C :D |
| [08:16:56] | dekarl: | btw, which country/provider is that |
| [08:17:44] | peeaivo: | I'm living in Finland and the smart card is from some local provider :D |
| [08:19:02] | dekarl: | some more questions (so all information is in one place) unencrypted channels do work? You could scan channels (maybe with "test decryptability" on) and its just playback of subscribed channels that doesnt work? |
| [08:20:22] | peeaivo: | Yes, they do work and I can scan channels, and I did check the "test decryptability" (though it printed "status of decryption: unknown") and yes, it's just the playback of subscribed channels that doesn't work. |
| [08:21:01] | peeaivo: | But I gotta go now. Catch you later and thanks for help o/ |
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| [08:21:36] | dekarl: | welcome, see you later |
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| [10:24:47] | peitolm: | is it possible to configure mythweb to show times for upcoming recordings in 24hr format? |
| [10:27:26] | kenni: | peeaivo: Yep, I created that LinuxTV wiki page when I bought a CT-3650 CI for my parents MythTV box. All info on that page should be up to date. The tuner has been running in their setup with a smart card + Viaccess CAM for about two months now. |
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| [11:32:32] | m15k: | I got a "could not connect to master backend" when mythbunut is starting... But when I restart the frontend the connection is present. Is there a possibility to let the frontend wait for connection? |
| [11:46:18] | russell5: | m15k, what i have done in the past is wrote a startup script that sleeps for a few seconds then starts mythfrontend |
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| [11:55:37] | m15k: | russell5 which scripts starts the frontend? |
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| [12:35:19] | Twiggy2cents: | m15k, you need a script that waits till networking is established |
| [12:36:07] | Twiggy2cents: | Having a static IP on the frontend will make it go faster. The easiest way is to time how long it takes and then make the script with sleep xx (xx being like 3 seconds longer than it takes to establish a connection) |
| [12:38:59] | jm|laptop: | or make a loop that waits until the port is reachable |
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| [12:52:01] | rileyp: | twiggy is it after a resume you have the problem |
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| [13:02:53] | rileyp: | Twiggy2cents: |
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| [15:41:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you about? |
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| [15:46:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [15:50:03] | wagnerrp: | what are the implications of using the 'visible' mark for its improper use? |
| [15:52:40] | wagnerrp: | just that they remain visible when browsing channels in livetv? |
| [15:53:23] | sphery: | primarily that visible isn't really disabled, so it's possible someone could tune the channel, and in doing so could cause problems with recordings (i.e. some STBs will "lock up" refusing to accept input until you acknowledge the dialog saying you don't have the channel or something; or some tuners will get into a mode where they can't be used until completely reset (at least a module unload) when told to tune a "non-existent" channel or ... |
| [15:53:29] | sphery: | ... whatever) |
| [15:53:56] | sphery: | not to mention the fact that you're actually downloading listings and processing listings and having to search listings and ... |
| [15:54:50] | sphery: | so it uses more resources/slows scheduling/... |
| [15:55:19] | wagnerrp: | ah, just wondering whether its worth responding to someone on mythtvtalk who suggested using it |
| [15:55:45] | sphery: | my main complaint, though, is that it's using something for a different reason than its design, so--obviously--isn't well the best solution |
| [15:55:51] | sphery: | I'd say probably not |
| [15:56:10] | sphery: | it generally does what users want |
| [15:56:49] | sphery: | and users have this (unrealistic?) expectation that mythtv should just add all new channels to their system and they should work |
| [15:58:15] | sphery: | (I really didn't think it was a common thing for cable/satellite companies to add new channels without changing prices--or maybe our users just really waste that much money on the "everything" packages...) |
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| [16:34:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I have FiOS TV, and everything except the Movie channels, and they do periodically add new channels (and/or just add new HD channels) – so I have to check things periodically. ;-) |
| [16:35:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: And when I had Dish Satellite, they would add new channels to the service, but I didn't have access to them, but they would get added by mythfilldatabase (from SD) – until I added the flag to ignore the new channels. |
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| [16:36:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: btw – we're having florida-like weather up here in the Boston area... The high today is going to be 84!!!!!!! crazy... |
| [16:36:55] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: IMHO, "check things periodically" is the right approach--rather than assuming that any new channel added is automatically accessible and breaking recordings |
| [16:37:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | exactly |
| [16:37:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | When they were 'auto-added', I would have broken recordings often. |
| [16:37:48] | sphery: | but users refuse to use --remove-new-channels because "well, then I won't see all the wonderful new channels the cable company gifts me 3 to 4 times per day" |
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| [17:29:44] | pplmaker: | myth25 final is 4/2? but the new season of game of thrones is 4/1. why make users choose what to do that day? |
| [17:35:35] | kisak: | you can get the rc and bump the version when it becomes available |
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| [17:44:12] | pplmaker: | can I really not start mythbknd without a capture card? |
| [17:44:46] | wagnerrp: | pplmaker: because if we claimed it was 4/1, and then missed that date, can you imagine the hell that would raise with the user base? |
| [17:45:57] | sphery: | pplmaker: we don't support tuner-less MythTV backends |
| [17:46:13] | sphery: | pplmaker: now if you ask how to do what you're trying to do, we can likely actually help you |
| [17:46:35] | sphery: | (MythTV without TV is just a Myth) |
| [17:47:27] | pplmaker: | i'm just trying out mythtv rc but my hdpvr happens to be busted |
| [17:47:52] | pplmaker: | (hauppauge was kind enough to send me a replacement unit but that was broken as well..) |
| [17:48:28] | sphery: | well, you can set up a dummy tuner for now, then when you get your fixed real tuner, you can do a "Delete all capture cards", then set up the real one |
| [17:49:53] | pplmaker: | sphery: thanks, ill try that. is that "demo test record?" |
| [17:50:01] | pplmaker: | record=recorder |
| [17:50:08] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:50:23] | sphery: | you'll need to make sure you disable actual recordings, though |
| [17:50:41] | sphery: | either start mythbackend with --no-sched or mark each recording rule as inactive |
| [17:50:53] | pplmaker: | thank you |
| [17:51:04] | pplmaker: | otherwise itll just start copying that file around? |
| [17:52:15] | sphery: | yeah, pretty much |
| [18:01:05] | pplmaker: | I can report that mythfe doesnt really work when you look at it through VNC tunneled over ssh |
| [18:02:42] | wagnerrp: | the UI itself should work just fine |
| [18:02:55] | wagnerrp: | but theres no accounting for what might happen if you attempt playback |
| [18:03:22] | pplmaker: | it actually does work (thank you fios) |
| [18:04:04] | wagnerrp: | are you saying the VNC session is tunneled over SSH? or the X session is tunneled over SSH to the VNC server? |
| [18:05:16] | pplmaker: | i'm tunneling the vnc port through ssh |
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| [18:53:16] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: was #10422 a bug in master-only or also 0.24? |
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| [18:54:13] | wagnerrp: | was that the "moving videos to another host doesnt update the database" one? |
| [18:55:17] | wagnerrp: | oh, no... |
| [18:55:26] | wagnerrp: | season and episode values only exist in 0.25 |
| [18:55:40] | wagnerrp: | so improper sorting using season and episode values is a problem that could only exist in 0.25 |
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| [19:00:12] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: ^^^ |
| [19:00:43] | skd5aner: | k – thanks – after this much time it's hard for me to distinguish if a "fix" applies only to master or not |
| [19:00:53] | skd5aner: | i leave those kind of out the release notes |
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| [19:41:27] | skd5aner: | stuartm: ping, you around? |
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| [20:43:29] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I think -firehose missed a commit... |
| [20:43:31] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /003700.html |
| [20:43:56] | skd5aner: | the next commit should have been the one where wagnerrp removed mythmessage https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9b6e4 . . . 95b2bc6a8ace |
| [20:44:10] | skd5aner: | but it skips and goes to the next one by paul |
| [20:44:37] | wagnerrp: | it happens |
| [20:44:40] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I just randomly caught this since I heard talk that mythmessage was removed, but never came across the commit in the mailman firehose log |
| [20:45:23] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: so... can you tell me about the commit? all of the functionality still exists, it's just no longer held within mythmessage? |
| [20:45:34] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [20:45:45] | wagnerrp: | mythmessage was only added during the 0.25 cycle, and was removed before release |
| [20:45:59] | wagnerrp: | all of its behavior is now contained within 'mythutil --message' |
| [20:46:42] | skd5aner: | I had specifically called it out since it replaced mythtvosd that people loved back in the day |
| [20:47:06] | skd5aner: | maybe I can edit the release notes and call out that that functionallity has returned via mythutil --message |
| [20:47:30] | wagnerrp: | it currently says the functionality has been removed? |
| [20:47:47] | wagnerrp: | since it did not exist prior to 0.25, there was nothing to remove |
| [20:49:08] | skd5aner: | removed? |
| [20:49:31] | skd5aner: | not sure what you are asking... I didn't mention removed... |
| [20:50:50] | wagnerrp: | "call out that that functionallity has returned via mythutil --message" |
| [20:51:03] | wagnerrp: | the functionality was never removed for it to have been returned |
| [20:51:14] | wagnerrp: | since the functionality never existed in the first place |
| [20:51:20] | skd5aner: | mythtvosd |
| [20:51:24] | wagnerrp: | unless youre referring to the old mythtvosd |
| [20:51:25] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [20:51:27] | skd5aner: | was removed long ago |
| [20:51:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that was removed by the player rewrite for 0.24 |
| [20:52:01] | skd5aner: | hence, what I said above the line you were refering to ;) |
| [20:52:34] | skd5aner: | I used it for callerid purposes back in the day |
| [20:52:49] | skd5aner: | maybe I can get my old vonage CID script working again |
| [20:53:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive been meaning to write something up to replace the old no-longer-functional scripts |
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| [21:18:02] | skd5aner: | Seems there's a lot of opinions about mythmusic in 0.25 on the mailing list... very strong opinions indeed |
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| [21:21:24] | Guest54281: | can someone help me with multirec? |
| [21:21:44] | dekarl: | depends on the question. what do you want to know? |
| [21:21:46] | stuartm: | not strong enough to get off their arses and produce some patches though? |
| [21:22:09] | stuartm: | and you may quote me on that ... |
| [21:22:13] | Guest54281: | i read the wiki article http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Record_multiple_ch . . . ne_multiplex |
| [21:22:15] | stuartm: | or perhaps, better not to |
| [21:22:39] | Guest54281: | it says you can have a max of 5 virtual tuners |
| [21:22:56] | Guest54281: | is there any limit to it? |
| [21:24:06] | dekarl: | I think the 5 virtual tuners is a GUI limit as that was thought to be "enough for everyone" when the feature was developed. But I'm not sure. |
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| [21:24:36] | dekarl: | do you want to record more then 5 programmes from the same multiplex at once? |
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| [21:25:20] | Guest54281: | actually im not sure, my next question would be how many muxes exist |
| [21:25:34] | Guest54281: | how can i find out |
| [21:25:59] | dekarl: | Guest54281: what video source are you using? IPTV from netcologne? or DVB-C/S/T? |
| [21:26:27] | sphery: | dekarl: "enough for everyone" plus (and more importantly), the added resource usage for >5 is mostly useless |
| [21:26:55] | sphery: | especially since if you have >5 channels on a single mux, probably none of them are worth watching (too poor quality :) |
| [21:27:25] | dekarl: | sphery: we have spoken words radio channels... you can fit plenty of them into one mux of any kind :D |
| [21:27:28] | Guest54281: | so you need decent hardware to make use of it |
| [21:27:56] | sphery: | (basically, resource usage with added virtual tuners is not linear... so 2 virtual tuners uses a little extra resources when scheduling, but >5 uses a /ton/ of extra resources, making UI and mythtv usage less than ideal) |
| [21:28:05] | dekarl: | Guest54281: if you are receiving german DVB-T and want to record from 2 multiplexes at once you can get away with a normal pc |
| [21:28:12] | sphery: | the change from 5 to 6 was a /huge/ jump |
| [21:28:18] | sphery: | even compared to the change from 4 to 5 |
| [21:28:48] | Guest54281: | but i could set it to five on a core2 with 4 gig ram? |
| [21:28:52] | dekarl: | sphery: funny, I wonder why that is. The cost is in the scheduler? |
| [21:28:59] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:29:13] | sphery: | just results in too many possibilities for placement of recordings |
| [21:29:36] | skd5aner: | stuartm: heh – I have to hold my tounge before I make any judgements, but from what I'm reading, I'm not sure how fond I'll be of it either :/ |
| [21:29:36] | dekarl: | Guest54281: sure, I have 4 DVB Frontends with 5 virtual tuners plus IPTV on a smaller box (core iSomething) |
| [21:29:40] | sphery: | you'd have the same problem if you installed 30 physical tuners |
| [21:29:42] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I really /want/ to love it though |
| [21:29:47] | dekarl: | makes 21 tuners total |
| [21:29:50] | sphery: | versus just installing 5 |
| [21:30:19] | sphery: | (though, really, the 30 would still be easier because each would be separately usable, regardless of what's happening on other tuners) |
| [21:30:24] | skd5aner: | stuartm: on another note, was curious if I could ask you a question about this change if you've got a minute? https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/1a651934c |
| [21:30:57] | sphery: | i.e. multirec is a terrible software hack to make you think you can get by with insufficient physical tuners |
| [21:31:04] | stuartm: | skd5aner: the earlier stuff I saw just seemed to misunderstand it, it is a little rough with some irritating problems but it's also a million times better than the old mythmusic |
| [21:31:25] | dekarl: | Guest54281: just be sure to set the number of virtual tuners to the desired value at the time of adding the card in mythtv-setup. adding them later (when you have added other hardware in between) is just asking trouble :) |
| [21:31:26] | stuartm: | there are multiple views, should be one to suit every taste |
| [21:31:30] | sphery: | (meaning that few people actually get enough physical tuners when they see multirec, so they have an insufficient system and think multirec or the scheduler is the problem :) |
| [21:32:03] | stuartm: | skd5aner: what's the question? |
| [21:32:08] | sphery: | so, multirec is fine, but only if you actually plan your system approrpaitely |
| [21:32:22] | Guest54281: | yes thats what wiki also says, i will need to readd my tuners increase it properly right |
| [21:32:32] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, I was looking forward to using the standby stuff you've put in, but that commit sort of confuses me... |
| [21:32:40] | dekarl: | Guest54281: correct |
| [21:32:45] | stuartm: | skd5aner: so far as I'm aware, none of the old behaviour is missing from mythmusic, it might just be in a different place to before |
| [21:33:02] | skd5aner: | stuartm: does that mean that a frontend won't go into standby mode automatically if the user doesn't have their mbe configured to shutdown when idle? |
| [21:33:26] | stuartm: | skd5aner: no, it just means we won't show the standby screen |
| [21:34:22] | dekarl: | ohh idle shutdown, how do I shutdown a frontend only box when idle? |
| [21:34:27] | Guest54281: | should i give it a try or better get another tunercard, whats the advantage |
| [21:34:40] | skd5aner: | stuartm: is there a reason not to show the standby screen in that instance? |
| [21:34:53] | skd5aner: | stuartm: (I'm honestly asking, I don't know the answer) |
| [21:35:31] | stuartm: | skd5aner: yeah, people hated change |
| [21:35:38] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I guess I'm asking because mythwelcome/mythshutdown never really worked for me in the past because my MBE needs to be always on, but my FE/SBE could idle/sleep when not in use for either recording or watching |
| [21:35:53] | skd5aner: | stuartm: sorry, but that sentiment is growing old around here |
| [21:35:59] | skd5aner: | (no offense to you) |
| [21:36:01] | stuartm: | they found it confusing showing a 'screen saver' |
| [21:36:26] | dekarl: | Guest54281: lets pretend you want to record DVB-T in cologne, you get 6 german muxes there each carrying 3–4 programs. If you want to only record from one of the muxes at once you can use just multirec. if you want to record from channel on different muxes you should get another tuner (but can turn up the virtual tuners to 5 on both physical tuners) |
| [21:36:26] | skd5aner: | who is "they"? a mob with pitchforks and torches? |
| [21:36:40] | stuartm: | skd5aner: fellow devs |
| [21:36:47] | skd5aner: | ugh |
| [21:37:09] | skd5aner: | sigh |
| [21:39:03] | skd5aner: | so, I was going to try to convience you otherwise... but, I now realize that would be a worthless endeavor |
| [21:39:29] | skd5aner: | glad I asked in -users and not in #mythtv I guess |
| [21:39:53] | Guest54281: | dekarl: sry, read through it again i have dvb-s |
| [21:41:33] | dekarl: | Guest54281: ok, is it some unicable system or do you have on cable for each dvb card? The former might be unsupported while the latter should work. Which makes the question of adding another card into a question of how many cables you have to the switch/LNB/dish |
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| [21:42:30] | Guest54281: | dekarl: i have a cine s2 v6 with two cables connected directly to the lnb |
| [21:42:32] | dekarl: | Guest54281: I would simply start with 5 virtual tuners, give them all good names and see what the scheduler plans to use. If you see lots of conflicts you should get another physical card :) |
| [21:43:18] | dekarl: | ok. thats easy. just settung both cards with 5 virtual tuners (delete all tuners from all hosts, add the first one with 5 virtual tuners, then the second one with 5 virtual tuners) |
| [21:43:49] | dekarl: | then fire up your backend and add recording rules and see how it goes |
| [21:44:01] | Guest54281: | yes i will try that |
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| [21:44:44] | Guest54281: | if its not enough i can get another cars |
| [21:45:05] | dekarl: | aye, two cards + multirec should be good for starting |
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| [21:46:10] | Guest54281: | yes i have the system running running for three days and im soo happy already, best thing i ever did |
| [21:46:34] | Guest54281: | almost |
| [21:46:52] | dekarl: | it will totaly change your viewing behaviour :) |
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| [21:47:44] | Guest54281: | it does, do you live in germany, i had another question about commercial detection |
| [21:48:31] | dekarl: | I do, but I don't really use commercial detection |
| [21:49:12] | Guest54281: | do you watch the commercials then or just forewind |
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| [21:50:55] | Guest54281: | ok maybe im expecting too much, but i had the vision that commercials are just gone when i activate cd |
| [21:51:33] | dekarl: | i just hit 8+RIGHT which works well for private channels |
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| [21:52:01] | dekarl: | on public channels I simply curse around (ad breaks within the program on Das Erste stink) and forward manually |
| [21:52:30] | Guest54281: | after a commercial the last few seconds before the break are repeatet and i was thinking the software somehow matches frames skips the overlap including commercials alltogether |
| [21:52:39] | dekarl: | but, I started collection reference recordings to send them to Bei rdo who is currently working on a new commercial detector that runs on the GPU. |
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| [21:53:41] | dekarl: | Guest54281: the duplication is only on some channels, but not all... I simply mark everything by hand, its goes super fast anyway |
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| [21:54:47] | Guest54281: | dekarl: right i just found the manual edit thing, very nice feature |
| [21:55:22] | Guest54281: | dekarl: what 8+right bound to, i use a flirc with a generic remote |
| [21:56:01] | dekarl: | Once you have set it to match the repeat (look for a quiet spot) and then run the lossless transcode you can end up with recordings where you don't notice that a commercial break was ever there. very nice |
| [21:56:27] | dekarl: | Guest54281: I hit '8' (for 8 minutes) and then the right arrow key :) |
| [21:57:30] | Guest54281: | dekarl: wow didnt know that :) very nice |
| [21:58:37] | dekarl: | see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings |
| [21:58:55] | Guest54281: | dekarl: i think i have to play with it a little more, no idea how i can match the repeat close enough |
| [21:59:41] | dekarl: | up/down to make bigger/small steps, left/right for stepping around and SELECT/ENTER for start/end. thats about it for making a cut list |
| [22:00:19] | dekarl: | then hit MENU and select "save and exit" |
| [22:00:56] | Guest54281: | jesus still cannot believe it, myth is allmighty |
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| [22:04:40] | c4_: | dekarl: many thanks, you helped me a lot |
| [22:05:01] | dekarl: | c4_: you're welcome |
| [22:07:22] | c4_: | dekarl: what distro kernel are you on, i ended up with debian sid, just couldnt get the octopus driver to run on anything below |
| [22:07:46] | c4_: | now mythweb doest work because of php 5.4 |
| [22:07:50] | dekarl: | I use plan mythbuntu (had started with knoppmyth, but that was discontinued) |
| [22:08:03] | dekarl: | ..plain.. mythbuntu |
| [22:08:29] | c4_: | my frontends are mythbuntu as well |
| [22:09:14] | c4_: | do you know any octopus owners in here |
| [22:09:28] | dekarl: | hmm, which reminds me to unbreak the control panel for setting up netboot frontends |
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| [22:10:39] | c4_: | want to boot the livecd from network? |
| [22:10:39] | dekarl: | what is an octopus? |
| [22:11:19] | c4_: | tasty saefood :) and a dvb-s card |
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| [22:11:44] | dekarl: | more like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Hardy/Diskless but manually installed due to the control panel being abandoned at the moment |
| [22:12:43] | dekarl: | no idea, the only reference to octopus on linuxtv is on here http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Digital_Devices_DuoFlex_C%26T |
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| [22:13:44] | c4_: | yes makes sense cause i was about to tell you that the livecd didnt work for me out of the box |
| [22:14:59] | dekarl: | I thought you were using this card http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Linux4Media . . . 2_Twin_Tuner |
| [22:15:39] | c4_: | i know read it many times, but gave up on it, modules compiled, modules loaded, but the frontend was never recognized in myth |
| [22:16:28] | c4_: | yes its the same card, ordered from linux4media actually |
| [22:16:44] | simcop2387: | I know the answer is likely "No" but does anyone know if it's possible to have a hauppuage pvr-350's remote actually turn the system on when you hit the power button? |
| [22:22:22] | dekarl: | c4_: funny, there is no PPA for that driver... maybe this works http://www.loggn.de/ubuntu-dvb-s2-treiber-s2- . . . nstallieren/ |
| [22:22:35] | c4_: | dekarl: no anwered too quick, its not exactly the same, little confusing, there are 4 versions of the card, v3-v5 use different drivers than v6, v6 is the only pci-e |
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| [22:29:58] | c4_: | dekarl: interesting havent tried this one, now its in the kernel (3.2) dont know since when |
| [22:30:35] | c4_: | dekarl: i tried the repo from this guide http://www.vdr-portal.de/board16-video-disk-r . . . e-tt-s2-6400 |
| [22:32:18] | c4_: | dekarl: it was really crazy everything worked the card was recognized correctly as cine s2, but not the frontend |
| [22:34:39] | c4_: | dekarl: the i switched back forth from one tuner to the other in card setup and sometimes the frontend was there and sometimes not, finally i ignored it started scanning for channels but got thousand of crc-errors in the log and it always crashed before scanning finished |
| [22:42:52] | dekarl: | c4_: I can't really help with the driver issue, sorry. I'm looking into the massive CRC errors, thats a software issue. And the deadlock on channel scanning (I guess you are running the latest development code instead of the stable 0.24) was fixed yesterday ;) |
| [22:43:03] | dekarl: | or at least one of the deadlocks |
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| [23:09:55] | kisak: | that's odd, https://github.com/MythTV says nuvexport was updated not too long ago, but if you click on it, it says the most recent history is from 15 days ago |
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| [23:12:24] | wagnerrp: | kisak: youre looking at the wrong branch |
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| [23:13:49] | kisak: | ah, thanks for that insight |
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| [23:15:01] | kisak: | but hang on, the other branches haven't been touched in over a year |
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| [23:16:02] | kisak: | so that means the change happened to a branch not listed in github? |
| [23:16:05] | wagnerrp: | sure, but they were pushed to just half an hour ago |
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