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| [01:05:28] | BLZbubba_: | ok i have a filldatabase question, i had a small number of channels defined from dish and set everything up with those, including filldatabase. then i added more channels and re-ran mythfilldatabase |
| [01:06:19] | BLZbubba_: | the problem is that the more recently added channels don't get any program info for the time periods that already had program data |
| [01:06:32] | BLZbubba_: | but if i look 2 weeks ahead they have data |
| [01:06:45] | [R]: | what if you run it again? |
| [01:06:58] | BLZbubba_: | i have run it a dozen times |
| [01:07:02] | ertyu-m: | sounds like you need to run it with --dd-grab-all or whatever that option is |
| [01:07:17] | BLZbubba_: | ok i'll look for that and give it a try |
| [01:11:03] | BLZbubba_: | brilliant! |
| [01:11:04] | BLZbubba_: | thanks |
| [01:19:25] | BLZbubba_: | ok a 0.25 bug maybe; there is a show from 5am that still shows as currently recording in the "upcoming recordings" |
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| [01:24:54] | sphery: | BLZbubba_: unless you have an underpowered system running mythbackend and/or mysql DB, you should set it up to use --dd-grab-all every day. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426 + https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d2822566 |
| [01:25:39] | sphery: | BLZbubba_: as far as the 5am show, if you lose a frontend while in live tv, that can happen... just restart the whole mythtv system (master backend and everything else) |
| [01:27:09] | ertyu-m: | sphery, any thoughts about making that the default? |
| [01:29:10] | sphery: | ertyu-m: it's not default primarily because users with underpowered backends may have serious problems due to it |
| [01:29:18] | sphery: | (and we have way too many of those) |
| [01:29:33] | sphery: | and I'm not just talking about people with pogoplugs |
| [01:30:30] | ertyu-m: | how about a configurable option? |
| [01:31:53] | ertyu-m: | or what if you just grab all, but do it in pieces over time to work on low end systems |
| [01:33:29] | sphery: | we have plans to make it less resource intensive, but it will require a lot of re-coding |
| [01:33:40] | sphery: | so in the interim, people will have to enable it |
| [01:34:46] | BLZbubba_: | sphery: ok cool thanks for yet another helpful hint |
| [01:35:30] | ** ertyu-m wonders if anyone has ever thought about implementing the very complex but useful multi-user interface ** | |
| [01:36:53] | [R]: | useful? "dad i want to watch tv, ok, log in to the television" |
| [01:37:16] | [R]: | "but dad, i can't type in my 16 digit alphanumeric password with a remote control" "JUST DO IT" |
| [01:37:16] | sphery: | ertyu-m: yeah, there are plans... just need time and/or code |
| [01:37:38] | ertyu-m: | useful like you have your own recording schedule and shows stay put until you delete them |
| [01:37:58] | BLZbubba_: | it's going to be fun to type sudo commands with my mce remote |
| [01:38:08] | ertyu-m: | the backend gets really messy as you need to manage user priorities and potentially shared recordings |
| [01:38:11] | sphery: | [R]: 16-digit alphanumeric passwords are so old school... http://xkcd.com/936/ |
| [01:38:34] | ertyu-m: | you have to wave the wii remote in a specific pattern to login :) |
| [01:39:27] | [R]: | whats a battery staple!? |
| [01:39:51] | [R]: | ertyu-m: like a jedi |
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| [01:44:26] | ertyu-m: | perhaps the simplest version would be just to have a single recording schedule, but have a semaphore on the recorded programs to hold it until everyone who wants to watch it has |
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| [02:06:00] | tank-man: | what can I do about this error when trying to backup the db http://pastebin.com/kjnQAD1H |
| [02:07:40] | russell5: | repair the database. you can try this |
| [02:07:51] | russell5: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Period . . . the_Database |
| [02:08:08] | russell5: | i run that once a week |
| [02:08:15] | tank-man: | ill take a look at that link, thanks |
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| [02:11:01] | tank-man: | looked like it helped |
| [02:11:40] | russell5: | yeah if there is an error in the db i believe the script wont back the db up |
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| [05:22:57] | wagnerrp: | hahahah... duke lost to a 15 seed |
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| [06:21:29] | bobobobob: | moin all |
| [06:22:45] | bobobobob: | trying to setup hauppage 850 in mythtv-backend-master using mythtv-setup. I am having trouble with the card type, I have scheduledirect (which seems to work fine). |
| [06:23:17] | bobobobob: | well hauppage HVR850 to record over the air HD channels |
| [06:26:17] | sphery: | bobobobob: DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) |
| [06:34:35] | bobobobob: | weird all timeout, no signal |
| [06:35:53] | bobobobob: | well while scan for channels in input connections screen |
| [06:41:00] | sphery: | bobobobob: try changing the signal and tuning timeouts to 3000/5500 |
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| [06:46:09] | bobobobob: | I know antenna feed is getting there, guess I should try to test it in some way. Is there a way to just do raw feed from card to make sure card is happily driven? |
| [06:46:46] | bobobobob: | I know we have weird channels here like 25–1 25–2 25–3 |
| [06:50:26] | sphery: | bobobobob: you can do that with azap ( http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Zap ) |
| [06:51:02] | sphery: | (a for atsc) |
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| [06:59:37] | bobobobobob: | sorry lost connection there, was there a comment? |
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| [07:12:02] | sphery: | bobobobobob: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-03-17:06:21 |
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| [07:12:20] | sphery: | hehe, my timing is really bad or his is really good |
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| [07:57:55] | wizbit: | mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown is in /etc/sudoers |
| [07:58:33] | wizbit: | sudo shutdown as mythtv gives me a password prompt? |
| [07:58:37] | wizbit: | *user |
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| [09:27:42] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [09:27:46] | Beirdo: | tis bedtime |
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| [10:06:24] | drac_boy: | hi |
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| [13:07:18] | slideman: | My first time on IRC, so let me know if I am doing something wrong. |
| [13:07:31] | slideman: | I have a Hauppauge 2250 myth box |
| [13:07:44] | slideman: | Running recent git version of the s/w |
| [13:08:04] | slideman: | I wanted to get closed captions on the analog capture side of the card |
| [13:08:55] | slideman: | Looks like the closed captioning gets gummed up in FormatCC in mpegrecorder.cpp, where Daniel Kristjansson leaves a TODO to add cc to the stream |
| [13:09:19] | slideman: | Is this a dead end? Is anyone working on it? |
| [13:09:28] | slideman: | Or have I misconfigured something? |
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| [13:56:01] | gregL: | slideman, How does that card work on the analog side? I have been trying to find a replacement for an sick pvr-150.... |
| [13:56:37] | slideman: | Well, I am running Fedora 16 and with the kernel associated with it, things are pretty OK. |
| [13:56:46] | slideman: | I have nothing to compare it to, really. |
| [13:57:09] | slideman: | Of course the analog is not as good as the digital side, resolution wise, and that is where I am using it most. |
| [13:57:45] | slideman: | I have the analog side hooked up to the cable converter output for some shows for my daughter, but I have not been able to get CC working yet, |
| [13:57:57] | awalls: | The HVR-1600 is a decent replacement for a PVR-150 |
| [13:58:05] | slideman: | But on the whole, it is pretty good |
| [13:58:12] | awalls: | IF you want to stick with conventional PCI. |
| [13:58:23] | awalls: | /If/ |
| [13:58:26] | gregL: | slideman, OK thanks...Our cable co. here still has an analog side... |
| [13:58:58] | awalls: | Be advise that some HVR-1600 analog users experience problems with analog RF audio. |
| [13:59:03] | awalls: | /advised/ |
| [13:59:57] | awalls: | I believe it is a problem with users who have large amplification on their RF |
| [13:59:59] | gregL: | awalls, Thanks i will check that out...I wasted $70 this weak I bought a 1250 only to find out there is no support for analog.. |
| [14:00:57] | awalls: | It overdrives the front end and causes intermodulation products, so audio detetction using spectral analysis gets confused |
| [14:01:22] | awalls: | Yeah, I've got a 1250 floating around somewhere. |
| [14:01:49] | gregL: | I asked for recommendations on the mailing list,but only got one reply and no recommendation... |
| [14:01:54] | awalls: | Kernel labs had a slew of patches for analog for the cx23885 driver. |
| [14:03:06] | awalls: | http://kernellabs.com/hg/~stoth/hvr1850-analog/ |
| [14:03:21] | gregL: | awalls, I spent quite a few hours reading there yesterday...Thanks again.. |
| [14:03:32] | awalls: | OK. |
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| [14:04:55] | ertyu-m: | 2 years and that stuff hasn't migrated into the kernel yet? |
| [14:05:13] | ** awalls shrugs ** | |
| [14:05:34] | awalls: | maybe it has by now. I remember some recent activity on the ML. |
| [14:06:19] | ** awalls goes to check his git clone ** | |
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| [14:09:18] | awalls: | Analog support for the HVR-1850 went in on Jan 4 2012 |
| [14:10:07] | awalls: | Support for the HVR-1250 is not implemented however |
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| [14:13:00] | Bixter: | Question. I just changed my alsa config to output to multiple outputs.. This works great from mplayer and from mythtv watching tv/videos. Mythmusic wont output any sound though. Everything for it is set to the defaults and worked before i switched my alsa config around. any ideas? |
| [14:21:42] | wagnerrp: | awalls: and shouldnt be as far as im concerned |
| [14:21:59] | wagnerrp: | weve got plenty of other framegrabbers supported if people want to use them |
| [14:22:06] | wagnerrp: | no sense wasting time on yet one more |
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| [14:24:00] | awalls: | wagnerrp: Theoretically it wouldn't be hard. But I don't have the time anymore. |
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| [14:34:00] | wagnerrp: | i saw some remark that was complaining hauppauge was sticking to these "useless hybrid cards and not supporting freeview hd" |
| [14:34:20] | wagnerrp: | are any european countries other than the UK shutting off analog in the near term? |
| [14:43:27] | Bixter: | to answer my own question. I had to force the rate in my alsa config for music to work |
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| [15:00:16] | awalls: | Isn't the PCTV290e a DVB-T2 device? |
| [15:01:11] | awalls: | http://stevekerrison.com/290e/ |
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| [15:55:05] | TheAsp: | I'm having alot of firewire recordings with broken seek tables in 0.25... They only play for a few frames then stop. I've recently upgraded from 0.24. I can fix the files by using mythcommflag --rebuild. Any way I can fix this? |
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| [17:00:16] | gizmobay: | Will 0.25 work on ubuntu 10.04? |
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| [17:14:15] | wagnerrp: | of course |
| [17:15:11] | gizmobay: | okay thanks |
| [17:16:03] | wagnerrp: | although note that moving forward, it will be increasingly difficult to source sufficiently new versions of the necessary external dependencies |
| [17:16:13] | wagnerrp: | especially after ubuntu drops support for 10.04 LTS |
| [17:16:28] | wagnerrp: | how long do they maintain that after releasing a new RTS? |
| [17:16:46] | wagnerrp: | LTS |
| [17:17:01] | gizmobay: | I'm not sure I'd have to look. |
| [17:17:16] | wagnerrp: | looks like 3 years |
| [17:17:39] | gizmobay: | I think that sounds right |
| [17:17:56] | TheAsp: | 10.04 is 3 years desktop, 5 years server |
| [17:18:02] | TheAsp: | 12.04 is 5/5 |
| [17:18:31] | gizmobay: | 0.24 works on my system but 0.25 wouldn't work. I could tune the first channel on LiveTV but couldn't change the channel as I get video buffer issues |
| [17:18:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: should we have a --user option in mythjobqueue and mythmediaserver |
| [17:18:59] | wagnerrp: | personally... i would just as well see the --user option removed from mythbackend |
| [17:30:06] | sphery: | completely agreed... and it seems that sudo -H -u can be used in an upstart script, so not sure why *buntu wants it |
| [17:30:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ^^^ also, do you know if the recording profile editor will let Steve re-create the transcode profiles he deleted |
| [17:31:26] | wagnerrp: | he couldnt have deleted them through the ui in the first place |
| [17:31:31] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt let you delete built-in groups |
| [17:31:42] | sphery: | gizmobay: also, it may not be the case that 10.04 has a pre-built package for 0.25 (but you should look at http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos ) |
| [17:31:54] | wagnerrp: | and following that, it doesnt let you create built-in groups either |
| [17:31:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I suspect DB editing |
| [17:32:00] | sphery: | hehe |
| [17:32:12] | wagnerrp: | which means the only way to replace them is manual DB editing |
| [17:32:14] | gizmobay: | I compiled 0.25 |
| [17:32:41] | sphery: | I was just hoping there was a non-direct-db-editing approach, so that people don't think "direct db access is critical--see!" |
| [17:32:48] | wagnerrp: | just given him the code straight out of the schema update, that flushes the whole thing and recreates it from scratch |
| [17:33:13] | sphery: | out of schema init, you mean? |
| [17:33:37] | wagnerrp: | is the schema init rolled forward enough to carry all of the current types? |
| [17:33:53] | wagnerrp: | im saying truncate the table, truncate the recording profiles table |
| [17:33:57] | wagnerrp: | and init both of them fresh |
| [17:33:57] | sphery: | have there been transcoding profile updates from 1280? |
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| [17:34:12] | wagnerrp: | there are new groups put in for each new tuner type |
| [17:34:23] | wagnerrp: | there may have been one added for the ceton stuff |
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| [17:34:42] | wagnerrp: | and im not sure when daniel merged the asi stuff in |
| [17:35:13] | sphery: | yeah, 1286 had recording profile stuff |
| [17:35:16] | sphery: | so init + 1286 |
| [17:35:49] | wagnerrp: | looks like the last addition was 1269 |
| [17:36:06] | wagnerrp: | ah, no... |
| [17:36:12] | wagnerrp: | ceton is 1286 |
| [17:36:17] | wagnerrp: | and you said that already |
| [17:36:33] | sphery: | I have no idea how this happened, though, since I know SQL, so direct DB editing is safe. Obviously MythTV is broken. |
| [17:36:40] | sphery: | yeah, init + 1286 |
| [17:37:00] | sphery: | (plus truncate) |
| [17:37:19] | wagnerrp: | considering there is the potential for mythtv code to do bad things, and cause bad data in the database |
| [17:37:31] | wagnerrp: | we will need some mechanism to allow correction of such things |
| [17:37:49] | sphery: | yeah, we should allow re-creation through the UI |
| [17:38:04] | sphery: | but since UI doesn't really allow creation of custom profiles properly, ... |
| [17:38:07] | wagnerrp: | if perhaps thats a "f--- everything and re-init from scratch" |
| [17:38:25] | sphery: | or that |
| [17:38:56] | sphery: | which is in line with the "reset all key bindings" and the (upcoming) reset all settings (for this host) approaches |
| [17:39:15] | wagnerrp: | for configuration options, thats a very reasonable approach |
| [17:39:23] | wagnerrp: | you can always reconfigure things back to how you wanted them |
| [17:39:29] | sphery: | would be more worthwhile changes, though, if we weren't still using mythtv-setup |
| [17:39:32] | wagnerrp: | for anything data related.... not sure how to handle it |
| [17:39:45] | sphery: | data related? like recording stuff? |
| [17:39:57] | sphery: | that's what Video Library is for :) |
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| [17:41:58] | wagnerrp: | sure, and i suppose if nothing else, you can flush your video library and regenerate off the mxml files |
| [17:42:17] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which, do we have any code to write those? |
| [17:42:26] | kisak: | the Ceton Infinitv 4 ... is it able to record multiple streams on the same carrier frequency on the same tuner like the HDHRs? |
| [17:42:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean the capability exists in the libraries to write them |
| [17:42:48] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know if there are any triggers in the UI to actually do so |
| [17:43:02] | wagnerrp: | kisak: no, and for that matter, neither are the Primes |
| [17:43:04] | sphery: | don't know |
| [17:43:21] | wagnerrp: | its a restriction of the cablecard scheme |
| [17:43:24] | wagnerrp: | one tuner, one stream |
| [17:43:43] | sphery: | in theory, though, the prime (and maybe ceton) without cable card could, right? |
| [17:43:52] | kisak: | thank you wagnerrp |
| [17:44:04] | sphery: | i.e if used as a (very expensive) ATSC/QAM tuner |
| [17:44:19] | wagnerrp: | yes, i am reasonably certain the Prime will operate as a generic HDHR if there is no cablecard inserted |
| [17:44:23] | wagnerrp: | allowing normal multirec |
| [17:44:32] | wagnerrp: | however both the Prime and Ceton cards are QAM tuners |
| [17:44:37] | wagnerrp: | they do not support ATSC |
| [17:44:45] | wagnerrp: | so digital cable only |
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| [17:51:34] | smoothifier: | what's involved in having mythfilldatabase grab all the data instead of the newest data when it is called? is that command line changed in mythtv-setup? |
| [17:51:49] | sphery: | smoothifier: what grabber |
| [17:51:58] | smoothifier: | schedules direct |
| [17:52:05] | wagnerrp: | --dd-grab-all |
| [17:52:14] | smoothifier: | right, and that's in mythtv-setup? |
| [17:52:20] | wagnerrp: | just in mythtv-setup, where you are allowed to specify what command to run |
| [17:52:32] | wagnerrp: | put in there 'mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all |
| [17:52:38] | sphery: | smoothifier: read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426 + https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d2822566 |
| [17:52:39] | smoothifier: | ok i'll do that |
| [17:52:51] | smoothifier: | thanks guys |
| [17:52:55] | sphery: | don't change mythfilldatabase command, though... |
| [17:53:10] | sphery: | read both the posts and do the testing |
| [17:53:55] | smoothifier: | okay |
| [17:54:07] | wagnerrp: | wait, dont? |
| [17:54:13] | ** wagnerrp reads the posts ** | |
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| [17:54:17] | sphery: | there's a separate setting for args |
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| [17:55:05] | wagnerrp: | ah, so there is |
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| [17:55:26] | wagnerrp: | looks like ive also got --remove-new-channels too |
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| [17:59:14] | andrewju: | Hi, could someone please help to troubleshoot an error "libmythtv-0.25.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" ? |
| [17:59:39] | smoothifier: | well, i'm running barriers on ext4 and have mysql and my recordings all on the same drive. it takes me about 30 minutes to collect just a day's data. maybe i could schedule the grab for like 4am? |
| [17:59:43] | wagnerrp: | you are trying to run some executable without actually installing it |
| [18:00:04] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: recordings on the same disk only matter if you are actually recording it during that time |
| [18:00:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do we always exactly run mfd when told to? |
| [18:00:35] | wagnerrp: | or do we do it a bit more intelligently? |
| [18:00:43] | smoothifier: | forgive my ignorance, but can you schedule the --dd-grab-all for a certain time? |
| [18:01:04] | wagnerrp: | you can tell mfd to run at a specific time, completely independent of what --dd-grab-all does |
| [18:01:28] | wagnerrp: | but the typical behavior for schedules direct users is to be told by tms/datadirect when we should next grab data |
| [18:01:39] | wagnerrp: | to allow them the opportunity to load balance us |
| [18:01:40] | smoothifier: | okay |
| [18:01:44] | smoothifier: | right |
| [18:01:44] | andrewju: | wagnerrp: I just compiled MythTV 0.25 on a new machine. I made 'make' and 'make install'... I believe there was no errors... umm... |
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| [18:02:29] | wagnerrp: | andrewju: with no previous version of mythtv installed at the time? |
| [18:02:56] | wagnerrp: | there are sometimes issues with the linker building against the wrong version if one is currently installed |
| [18:03:47] | andrewju: | It's a clean CentOS 6 machine – there were no previous versions of Myth installed... |
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| [18:04:20] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you installed to a prefix not known by the dynamic linker? |
| [18:05:22] | andrewju: | Now that is going beyond my understanding... The prefix was '/usr/local' – but I don't completely understand how that works... |
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| [18:05:55] | wagnerrp: | there are two parts to linking |
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| [18:06:15] | wagnerrp: | the code objects get linked as part of compilation against various libraries |
| [18:06:32] | wagnerrp: | but then the dynamic linker has to reconnect those at runtime to actually be able to use the code |
| [18:07:04] | wagnerrp: | if you had installed to some odd prefix, and didnt either update the dynamic linker paths, or specify them with LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the environment |
| [18:07:16] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt know where to find those libraries the code had been linked against |
| [18:07:24] | wagnerrp: | and thus wouldnt have been able to run it |
| [18:07:37] | wagnerrp: | however the standard /usr/local should be fairly universally configured |
| [18:09:53] | andrewju: | Umm, so maybe it's another issue then? Or ... how do I find out what I need to use instead of '/usr/local' in order to do it properly? |
| [18:10:22] | wagnerrp: | quick check... 'export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lib"', and try to run it again |
| [18:11:06] | andrewju: | Oh, that fixed it! It runs! |
| [18:11:35] | wagnerrp: | then for strange reasons, /usr/local/lib is not included in the stock search path for centos |
| [18:11:40] | wagnerrp: | and will need to be added |
| [18:12:04] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall off hand what command to run to alter and refresh that database |
| [18:12:12] | [R]: | ldconfig |
| [18:14:50] | andrewju: | I guess it shall be configured in /etc/ld.so.conf ... ? |
| [18:15:16] | wagnerrp: | i think ldconfig is supposed to perform the edits for you |
| [18:15:23] | wagnerrp: | rather than you hand editing it |
| [18:16:19] | andrewju: | Ok, I'll read it in the manual... :) |
| [18:16:24] | andrewju: | Thanks a lot for help!!! |
| [18:16:35] | [R]: | you edit the conf, then you run ldconfig to update the binary fiel |
| [18:19:04] | andrewju: | Yep, it worked! Thanks a lot, Gents!!! :) |
| [18:23:04] | smoothifier: | wagnerrp: a --dd-grab-all took about 4.5 minutes without barriers. i have a ups, it gives me maybe 10 minutes. i guess it's a gamble when you run without barriers enabled |
| [18:23:22] | smoothifier: | i am usually more conservative |
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| [18:24:26] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: if you have a UPS, it would tell your computer to shut down, cleanly stopping mythfilldatabase and mysql, and allowing any in-flight filesystem changes to get properly flushed |
| [18:28:25] | smoothifier: | i need that particular cable. |
| [18:29:11] | smoothifier: | the ups is also a fairly old apc from the early 2000s |
| [18:29:27] | smoothifier: | (with a new battery) |
| [18:30:59] | [R]: | if your ups doesnt talk to your computer, what's the point? |
| [18:32:16] | [R]: | oh man this is hilarious |
| [18:32:22] | [R]: | every episode of dirty jobs, they mention ford |
| [18:32:36] | [R]: | and if you dont know to look for it, you'd probably not think much abouti t |
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| [18:39:43] | andrewju: | One more (hopefully quick) question: in the options for 'configure' there is 'External Codec Options' (mp3lame, faac, xvid, x264, vpx). Do I generally want these? Or are there built-in codecs that are good enough? |
| [18:42:45] | wagnerrp: | those are currently used for two purposes |
| [18:42:55] | wagnerrp: | compiling them in makes them available for use in mythffmpeg |
| [18:43:19] | wagnerrp: | which is intended as a static version of ffmpeg, using mythtv's internal snapshot |
| [18:43:33] | wagnerrp: | so when writing a utility, a single release of mythtv will provide a single target to program against |
| [18:43:54] | wagnerrp: | rather than variable command line options that may be available with different versions of ffmpeg install on different users' systems |
| [18:44:20] | wagnerrp: | also, its used for the HLS (http live streaming) stuff added in 0.25 |
| [18:45:34] | andrewju: | So if all the External Codec Options are set to "no" – does it mean that it will be compiled in, or exactly opposite? |
| [18:52:52] | wagnerrp: | it means exactly as it says |
| [18:52:55] | wagnerrp: | they will not be compiled in |
| [18:53:04] | wagnerrp: | and those options will not be available for use in your binaries |
| [18:54:10] | Twiggy2cents: | I am confused. I have two frontends, both running arclight 1.1 but they have different layouts. Why is this? |
| [18:54:26] | wagnerrp: | you are using different menu themes |
| [18:55:56] | andrewju: | wagnerrp, thanks! |
| [18:57:00] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh do you change that in the theme settings? |
| [18:57:21] | wagnerrp: | no, in appearances |
| [18:57:25] | wagnerrp: | the theme chooser is independent |
| [18:58:05] | Twiggy2cents: | Oh okay |
| [19:09:19] | Twiggy2cents: | Is there a way to see signal level in mythtv besides when it is being tuned? |
| [19:09:51] | [R]: | you want to see the level when not tuned? because that makes no sense |
| [19:10:03] | Twiggy2cents: | Also, do I need a bigger amplifier if I plug in my 3rd tuner and I loose my furthest channel? |
| [19:10:36] | [R]: | if you split yoru signal, and you loose channels, yes, thats generally what amps are for |
| [19:11:04] | Twiggy2cents: | Okay, I just wanted to make sure that an amp should gain back what I lost. |
| [19:12:04] | [R]: | therse no way to know until you try |
| [19:12:10] | [R]: | but in theory it would work |
| [19:12:29] | Twiggy2cents: | It has an amp on it already but it was a small one that came with an old antenna |
| [19:12:30] | [R]: | it also depends on what kind of splitter yo uare using, what your signal level was to begin with, etc |
| [19:13:05] | Twiggy2cents: | It was a new 5 way splitter, there is only 3 split lines. Going to 3 different tuners |
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| [19:13:35] | [R]: | yeah, thats killing your signal |
| [19:13:50] | Twiggy2cents: | What is? the third piece? |
| [19:13:57] | Twiggy2cents: | s/piece/tuner |
| [19:14:03] | [R]: | what did you have originally, what do you have now, what are the specs on both splitters |
| [19:14:16] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: there's the signal monitor (I think it's Alt-F7 by default), but note that the picture will not update while it's active |
| [19:14:37] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: plus, the information provided (just like that provided when actually tuning) may be completely meaningless |
| [19:14:45] | Twiggy2cents: | I had the same splitter before, I just used another port on it |
| [19:15:00] | sphery: | signal strength and BER and ... aren't necessarily useful, depending on card (and definitely not when compared across cards) |
| [19:15:22] | Twiggy2cents: | sphery, okay. I dont have any signal drop out issues that I ahave seen yet but evidently it is close enough that I lose it when adding another load |
| [19:15:23] | [R]: | and what is the drop at each port? |
| [19:15:35] | Twiggy2cents: | I dunno, how do you check that? |
| [19:15:42] | [R]: | look at the splitter... |
| [19:15:53] | [R]: | also, using a 5 wey for only 3 is pretty bad |
| [19:16:44] | Twiggy2cents: | Sorry, its a 4 way splitter. it says 5–900 Mhz |
| [19:17:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: pretty much run it when TMS says (delayed by the housekeeper thread runs--and sometimes we'll bump TMS's time by a day (to make sure we run it tomorrow, versus skipping from 11:48pm one night to 12:03am the next--something which is more imporant when you're not using --dd-grab-all) |
| [19:17:13] | [R]: | thats the frequency, not the drop |
| [19:17:58] | sphery: | and if you use a 4way splitter and don't connect all 4 to tuners, you should definitely use terminators |
| [19:18:01] | Twiggy2cents: | That is all it says.. |
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| [19:19:17] | Twiggy2cents: | Let me check again and see if it says different |
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| [19:20:40] | Twiggy2cents: | YEah thats all it says. It isnt grounded either |
| [19:23:32] | Twiggy2cents: | Should I get a 3 way splitter instead? |
| [19:23:58] | Twiggy2cents: | How does having an open port degrade the signal? Just wondering |
| [19:24:05] | sphery: | you get reflections |
| [19:24:10] | sphery: | you can add a terminator to it |
| [19:24:27] | sphery: | one of these: http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/f_terminator.htm |
| [19:24:39] | Twiggy2cents: | It may be easier to get a 3way splitter in this small town than a terminator |
| [19:24:47] | sphery: | I got mine at radio shack (were more expensive than they're probably worth, but was easy enough to find) |
| [19:25:52] | Twiggy2cents: | Hmm no radio shack in this town. I have a true value that used to be a radio shack also. They might have some. |
| [19:26:06] | sphery: | if you're only using 3 outputs, then a 3-way splitter is likely better |
| [19:26:15] | sphery: | if 2, then 2-way... |
| [19:26:52] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah I think I will go that route. I had no problems with the 4 way splitter and only two connections. Does this mean that I will likely need a bigger amplifier? |
| [19:27:11] | Twiggy2cents: | That current amplifier has no specs and came with a hd antenna |
| [19:27:34] | sphery: | if you have a powered amp and a generally good signal, then what you have is likely fine |
| [19:28:11] | sphery: | if you have a bad signal, then any amp will likely amplify noise as much as signal, so you'd need to improve the signal |
| [19:28:43] | Twiggy2cents: | Well with 2 connections I can tune the channel just fine. But with 3 it cant get a lock on any of the tuners |
| [19:29:01] | sphery: | may just be the way the splitter is implemented |
| [19:29:25] | Twiggy2cents: | Really? with the same splitter being used in both cases? |
| [19:29:40] | Twiggy2cents: | I never realized that it makes that much of a difference. |
| [19:29:47] | sphery: | perhaps it's a 2x2-way (keeping the 2 outs you were using isolated, so signal reflection wasn't an issue) |
| [19:30:09] | sphery: | (no idea if that's how they work internally, but would make sense) |
| [19:30:35] | sphery: | anyway, likely $10 to test a 3-way splitter and know if it will work :) |
| [19:31:58] | Twiggy2cents: | Would not being grounded cause any degradation? |
| [19:32:11] | sphery: | not sure about that |
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| [19:46:47] | smoothifier: | what would be wrong with remounting a filesystem with barrier=0, running mythtfilldatabase --dd-grab-all, then remounting with barrier=1? |
| [19:53:04] | wagnerrp: | you cant do it live |
| [19:53:31] | wagnerrp: | you have to stop everything, bring it back up, run it, stop everything again, and bring it back up normally |
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| [19:59:02] | sphery: | smoothifier: also, if your mysqld is too slow with barriers enabled when running mythfilldatabase, it will be too slow at other times, too--meaning you'd have other problems |
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| [20:17:28] | Twiggy2cents: | sphery, [R], I went looking for a 3 way splitter and couldnt find one in stock in this small town. I found a 4 way splitter/amp and a package of terminators, the problem is now gone. The original amp was about 1.5 in by 1.5 the new one is a lot bigger. |
| [20:18:08] | [R]: | when are people going to learn, size doesn't matter |
| [20:18:15] | [R]: | btw, thats what she said |
| [20:19:02] | Twiggy2cents: | lol I know, it was just interesting to see the difference |
| [20:19:16] | sphery: | interesting... glad you got it solved |
| [20:19:36] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah very interesting that I could find terminators but not a 3way splitter! |
| [20:20:00] | Scopeuk: | you should try finding a variable attunuator |
| [20:20:46] | Twiggy2cents: | Whats that? |
| [20:22:39] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh, are you saying I might need to get one if I experience multipath interference or that it is hard to find one local? |
| [20:22:47] | Scopeuk: | hard to find one locally |
| [20:23:06] | Scopeuk: | potentially it cuold help with multi path but only if one of the transmitters is notably stronger than the otehr |
| [20:23:15] | Scopeuk: | such that you can use one to push the weaker one into the noise |
| [20:25:42] | Scopeuk: | would not be my first method though |
| [20:27:20] | Twiggy2cents: | So what is it used for then? |
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| [20:33:04] | Twiggy2cents: | What is the range on a mce ir transmitter? Does it have to be pretty close or no? |
| [20:34:20] | [R]: | i've always taped my ir transmitters to the thing its being recieved from |
| [20:34:55] | Twiggy2cents: | Okay |
| [20:35:27] | [R]: | then again... ir transmitters suck big ones |
| [20:35:33] | [R]: | its all aboot firewire and network control |
| [20:38:46] | TheAsp: | firewire ftw. |
| [20:40:16] | [R]: | it was a glorious day when i got network control working |
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| [20:55:57] | Scopeuk: | Twiggy2cents, its used for reducing an overly powerful signal to something the tuner can handle |
| [20:56:15] | Scopeuk: | in my case becouse some monkey setup the buildsings distribution amps and there dialed up too far |
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| [21:06:52] | TheAsp: | Twiggy2cents: i have an overly sensitive bt878... |
| [21:07:22] | [R]: | 878... how do you live with yourself? |
| [21:09:08] | TheAsp: | i have firewire too :) |
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| [21:13:07] | [R]: | it would make me want to kill myself even moer |
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| [21:13:15] | [R]: | if i had some decent recordings and some crappy ones |
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| [22:05:56] | saintd3v: | hi, i'm using 0.24.2-fixes, i have a hdhr prime (cablecard). I've enabled a few new channels in schedules direct, how do I add these new channels to myth? |
| [22:07:25] | saintd3v: | I assumed mythfilldatabase would just add them on the next run, but it hasn't. |
| [22:07:59] | wagnerrp: | in 0.24, mythtv still thinks the HDHR Prime is a digital tuner |
| [22:08:13] | wagnerrp: | and will not pull a lineup for any video source with an HDHR attached |
| [22:08:49] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV_for . . . omeRun_Prime |
| [22:11:15] | saintd3v: | wagnerrp: i already have the prime setup, i just want to add a few new channels comcast just added |
| [22:11:27] | wagnerrp: | yes, read that page |
| [22:15:01] | saintd3v: | ...i know the contents of that page, are you telling me i have to clear out the existing channels, and readd them as-if i were setting it up new? |
| [22:16:16] | wagnerrp: | no, you need to disconnect the Prime from that video source |
| [22:16:21] | wagnerrp: | and tell mythtv to pull new channels |
| [22:16:36] | wagnerrp: | then add the prime back |
| [22:16:52] | wagnerrp: | or, consider updating to 0.25 |
| [22:17:10] | wagnerrp: | still unstable, but plans are to cut an RC tomorrow |
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| [22:23:35] | Twiggy2cents: | If mythfrontend is running and you try to open another instance on the same display, will it allow you or stop? |
| [22:23:42] | saintd3v: | i'll wait until it gets released for real. last time i was on trunk i got burnt and had to restore from a backup ;) |
| [22:39:42] | Twiggy2cents: | woo my suspend and resume scripts work now! |
| [22:40:09] | Twiggy2cents: | Now I just need to turn on the tv and hit the power on the myth remote to wake the computer and surround sound |
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| [22:48:40] | Twiggy2cents: | Where can you buy just another ir emitter for the mce remote? |
| [23:12:05] | Technophil: | Twiggy2cents: Hey dude that's cool, are your scripts available somewhere? |
| [23:12:54] | quietone: | hi, I'm new. I'm using an old laptop to test, using a dummy capture card. All works fine but I can't get the backend to start on boot. (debian wheezy) |
| [23:13:13] | quietone: | It seems to be this "QMulticastSocket: setsockopt – IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP Error" but I am not yet sure how to fix it |
| [23:20:30] | quietone: | why do the init scripts work fine but not during boot? |
| [23:20:51] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: you can run two instances of mythtv on the same display just fine |
| [23:21:12] | wagnerrp: | however you may run into issues with things like the web server and network control sockets not running |
| [23:21:28] | wagnerrp: | and you may also run into resource issues where certain types of video output only allow a single use |
| [23:21:43] | wagnerrp: | quietone: that is not a fatal error |
| [23:21:54] | wagnerrp: | if mythbackend is not starting, that is not the cause |
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| [23:24:00] | quietone: | wagnerrp, thank you very much. Then it must be this "Failed to init MythContext." But searching on that hasn't helped me either |
| [23:25:03] | wagnerrp: | pastebin your logs, and paste the URL in here |
| [23:30:44] | quietone: | wagnerrp, thx http://pastebin.com/BEjFJkAC |
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| [23:31:31] | wagnerrp: | just how exactly did you set up a dummy capture card? |
| [23:32:00] | wagnerrp: | doing so requires a database, and running mythtv-setup to perform the configuration |
| [23:32:14] | wagnerrp: | however this is saying there is no config file in the home directory point to that database |
| [23:32:23] | quietone: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dummy_Tuner |
| [23:32:42] | wagnerrp: | are you running mythbackend as a different user as you ran mythtv-setup? |
| [23:33:07] | wagnerrp: | mythtv stores mysql.txt and config.xml, used to indicate the location of the database, in your home directory |
| [23:33:12] | wagnerrp: | in $HOME/.mythtv/ |
| [23:34:02] | wagnerrp: | however it seems whatever user you are running mythbackend as uses /var/lib/mythtv as its home directory |
| [23:34:03] | wagnerrp: | or you are using an init script that is resetting that as the home directory |
| [23:38:12] | quietone: | wagnerrp, I setup everything as my own user. I didn't change init scripts. |
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| [23:39:47] | quietone: | wagnerrp, the script uses user mythtv. I can probably sort it out now, after some lunch |
| [23:39:51] | quietone: | thank you! |
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